00:53:43 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:55:31 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We have an interim patch for the services problems we've been experienced since relocating them. Apologies for the problems and we'll keep you informed of progress. Thank you for using OPN! 00:57:46 * jillzilla returns from a half hour of rowing. 00:57:54 * sbp waves 00:58:03 * jillzilla smiles and waves. 00:59:20 Still working on a demo, sbp? 00:59:53 I am indeed 01:00:01 just testing it further now, in fact 01:03:29 demonstration:- 01:03:35 chumpette (~chumpette@m605-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:03:40 chumpette, { ("http://example.org/#blargh" "#") string:split ?x } => { ?x a :Result } ? 01:03:41 _:bxvum _:nfrzf . 01:03:41 _:nfrzf . 01:03:44 _:bxvum "http://example.org/" . 01:03:45 _:nfrzf "blargh" . 01:03:45 _:bxvum <#Result> . 01:03:51 chumpette has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:03:58 there. more power than CWM now, AFAIK 01:04:06 heh. 01:04:23 I suspect I won't be having any heart-to-heart conversations with chumpette any time soon. 01:04:39 heh: inadvisable, certainly 01:10:05 chumpette, I have to tell you what happened today! 01:10:42 _:1klahq "nargle" 01:10:48 Oh, really? 01:10:53 lol! 01:13:52 I should write a pretty printer. that result is reducable to ("http://example.org/" "blargh") a :Result . 01:14:25 That would probably make it more useful for whatever it is it does. But it still doesn't make for enthralling conversation. :-) 01:15:00 we could connect her to bobbot to get a real conversation 01:15:09 really? it has often been said that if you fed all the Notation3 in the world into CWM, it'd give you a good recipie for a chicken curry, and a plan for world peace 01:15:14 Oooh, I could babble all night. 01:15:24 CWM? 01:15:28 Don't mention chicken curry. I'm going to eat soon. 01:15:28 .google CWM 01:15:30 CWM: http://www.fme.nl/ 01:15:33 argh! 01:15:37 .google Closed World Machine 01:15:39 Closed World Machine: http://infomesh.net/2001/cwm/ 01:15:42 heh 01:16:00 sbp: bobbot can take arbitrary patterns and prettify them 01:16:11 URI? 01:16:32 he's a bot 01:16:37 hang on a sec 01:16:46 is the source online? is there online documentation? 01:17:38 how do you sex a bot? 01:18:08 * jillzilla imagines looking under the bot's tail in a most undignified way. 01:18:32 bots have tails?! 01:18:41 neb (~neb@161.58.154.147) has joined #swhack 01:18:45 hello, neb. 01:18:51 * jillzilla wonders if neb is a bot. 01:18:52 neb: hello 01:18:53 君の見てる世界は、ほんとに現実かなあ？ 01:18:54 川の流れのような現実を、明日になれば夢とどう区別する？ 01:18:57 あなたは、その肉体から離れてどこへでも行けるわ！ 01:18:58 私の中の現実を楽しんでみては如何？ 01:18:59 きっと新しいReelityを見つけることが出来るかもよ 01:19:00 そうそう、私のReelityを見せる前に、みんなの心の中をちょっとだけ覗かせてくれる？ 01:19:08 新しい発見を教えてあげるかもしれないからね・・・。 01:19:09 * jillzilla looks under neb's tail. 01:19:09 name:hello\\helloさん！　おはようございます。\\まずは私の中のReelityを見せてあげるね！ 01:19:13 Hmmm. 01:19:13 oops Japanese bot 01:19:13 I think neb speaks more languages than I do. 01:19:13 neb has left #swhack 01:19:17 and good riddance! 01:19:19 ;-) 01:19:20 well, that was scary 01:19:25 let me take him and switch to English 01:19:30 * jillzilla hides behind sbp. 01:19:32 eek! 01:19:41 * sbp in turn hides behind a rock 01:19:59 nobody in this channel except a rock. 01:20:02 nope, not a soul. 01:20:20 if it comes towards us, we'll throw chumpy at it 01:20:44 yes. let's make a trebuchet. 01:22:09 ooh, I should have a utils module! then I can cram norm, ASCIIfy, and whatever else into it 01:22:24 oh, and a listmaking thing 01:22:28 and a trebuchet! 01:22:32 yeeeeaah! 01:22:37 **fling!** 01:22:41 heh, heh 01:23:12 Chief Wiggum: Send him back to momma, boys 01:23:15 [fling] 01:23:17 neb (~neb@161.58.154.147) has joined #swhack 01:23:18 jill: you see the PBS show on building trebuchet? 01:23:23 No. 01:23:24 Mayor Quimby: That was unexpected 01:23:25 neb: hello 01:23:25 alrighty then 01:23:32 hello, neb. 01:23:37 he's in english now 01:23:40 neb: you speak the English?! 01:23:40 alrighty then 01:23:49 if you message him .help you'll get instructions 01:23:53 neb: what sex are you? 01:23:54 alrighty then 01:23:59 neb is a Ace Ventura-bot 01:24:06 neb: thank you for speaking English in this channel. My client can't render Japanese. 01:24:07 alrighty then 01:24:14 neb: .rule "what sex are you*"-->"whatever you like" 01:24:15 yum - rule name: R001 01:24:23 neb: what sex are you? 01:24:23 sbp: Freudian slip, eh? Who is ned? 01:24:23 alrighty then 01:24:26 .help 01:24:27 alrighty then 01:24:33 neb: .rule [10]"what sex are you*"-->"whatever you like" 01:24:33 yum - rule name: R002 01:24:36 neb: what sex are you? 01:24:37 whatever you like 01:24:37 ned? 01:24:46 brrraw 01:24:51 he's hardly got any rules in him 01:25:01 but you can add them to create your own bot 01:25:06 he needs a few N3 files crammed into him 01:25:16 N3? 01:25:25 Notation3 01:25:31 sbp: my thoughts exactly 01:25:53 if all the infobots in the world pooled their knowledge... 01:26:15 and then you stuck an eliza-esque interface onto it 01:26:15 oh sorry yeah, it's not .help its just help 01:26:17 that'd be interesting 01:26:35 * jillzilla had already stumbled on to "help". 01:26:48 sbp: if you have a message window for neb, type help 01:27:00 already done it 01:27:08 it's spewing stuff at me as we speak 01:27:09 neb has quit (Excess Flood) 01:27:15 too much stuff, apparently 01:27:32 dear me. 01:27:36 RIP neb. 01:27:41 * jillzilla removes her hat. 01:28:09 neb... got washed away in the flood? 01:28:24 neb (~neb@161.58.154.147) has joined #swhack 01:28:29 but oh, mama, ain't you gotta miss your best friend now? 01:28:35 talk to me 01:28:40 neb: no 01:28:41 neb! 01:28:41 alrighty then 01:28:41 .google "you're gonna have to find yourself another best friend somehow" 01:28:42 "you're gonna have to find yourself another best friend somehow": http://www.slopbucket.com/bob/lyrics/13down_i.html 01:28:51 neb: Where have you been all my life! 01:28:51 alrighty then 01:29:00 neb: do you know any urls related to N3 01:29:03 let's see... 01:29:03 http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/Parser.html 01:29:16 neb: do you know any urls related to NeuroGrid 01:29:17 let's see... 01:29:18 http://www.neurogrid.net/servlet/com.neurogrid.prime.NewsServlet?news_id=329 01:29:19 ooh, it knows of the Euler parser 01:29:30 neb connects to NeuroGrid to get his info 01:29:36 cool 01:29:46 sbp: I'm guessing you're a python guy, while neb is all in Java 01:29:51 ugh 01:29:59 sbp: but you can program rules into him through irc 01:30:08 e.g. 01:30:30 * sbp is pretty sure that's he's come across neb before... 01:30:31 I need to talk to someone 01:30:49 neb: .rule [3]"*time in japan*"-->".time" 01:30:49 urgh: Dangling meta character '*' near index 0 01:30:49 *time in japan* 01:30:49 ^ 01:30:56 neb: .rule [3]".*time in japan.*"-->".time" 01:30:58 yum - rule name: R022 01:31:07 neb: what is the time in japan? 01:31:29 neb: .rule [5]"<.*>time in japan<.*>"-->".time" 01:31:29 yum - rule name: R023 01:31:34 neb: what is the time in japan? 01:31:42 damn that's not working 01:31:53 previously AaronSw hooked neb up to xena 01:32:36 neb and xena sitting in a tree! 01:32:46 neb has left #swhack 01:35:04 anyways - sorry that was a bit messy - thought we might have got some good bot interaction 01:35:13 will probably be a while before I can really clean neb up 01:35:15 ooh, like the "you're a bot!" thing 01:35:25 .google site:blogspace.com "you're a bot!" 01:35:26 site:blogspace.com "you're a bot!": http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-13.txt 01:35:44 02:15:50 Have you seen two natlang bots duel? Apparently they ended up shouting: "You're a bot!" at each other. 01:36:53 A should put up logs with all the comments in - with authentication, of course 01:37:10 neb (~neb@161.58.154.147) has joined #swhack 01:37:16 neb: You're a bot! 01:37:16 alrighty then 01:37:19 heh 01:37:23 ah no xena 01:37:29 er... xena is here 01:37:35 .time 01:37:38 ah sorry didn't see the + 01:37:44 but she's a bit borkified 01:37:45 neb: what is the time in japan? 01:37:46 .time jst 01:37:57 apparently so 01:38:30 .py import time; print time.time() 01:38:30 1020908346.51 01:38:39 I dunno why she doesn't just use Python 01:38:42 neb: what is the time in japan? 01:38:42 .time jst 01:38:51 neb has left #swhack 01:38:59 anyways 01:39:02 cy'all - time to go 01:39:05 redmonk has quit ("Snak 4.8.3 - http://www.snak.com") 01:39:06 c'ya rm 01:39:48 good to check out neb - will have to rework him once the latest version of NG is going smoothly 01:40:05 * jillzilla goes for dinner. 01:40:06 sbp: chumpette is pythong right? 01:40:21 s/g// 01:40:22 yep 01:40:25 * jillzilla thinks pythong sounds like very revealing beachwear. 01:40:30 * jillzilla heads for dinner for real. 01:40:40 sbp: takes in triples and spits them back out? 01:40:44 error: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out') 01:40:55 error: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out') 01:40:56 .google pythong 01:40:58 pythong: http://beachdress.com/casual/redpythonminiskirt.htm 01:41:00 c'ya Jill 01:41:03 yep, it does 01:41:08 cool 01:41:16 well, it takes in triples and can either add them to the store, or query the store with them 01:41:32 ah ok 01:41:39 error: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out') 01:41:51 error: [Errno socket error] (110, 'Connection timed out') 01:42:06 ng works with triples too - neb should deliver the same functionality once connected up to the new interface 01:42:12 ng? 01:42:19 oh, neurogrid 01:42:19 neurogrid 01:43:12 what have you got planned for chumpette? 01:44:36 Restarting services to check out the patch. 01:44:43 Aaron's planning to give a demo with it on Saturday 01:45:07 I just wrote chumpette tonight, but it's an interface to a lot of previous work 01:45:46 are you planning to put some kind of app on top? 01:45:54 the problem with RDF APIs is that you have to worry about the formats, and methods for storing things, and you have to be as flexible as possible... 01:46:06 I've already written a small RDF diff program for it 01:46:12 diff? 01:46:25 like *nix diff, but for RDF files, i.e. working on triples 01:46:30 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We hope we've resolved the services problems for the time being. As a byproduct of this temporary fix, please specify only numeric indexes when deleting an entry from a channel access list. Thanks. 01:46:33 ah 01:46:45 eep3 will probably just get folded back into infogami, which is Aaron's RDF API for 'plesh 01:47:06 how do eeps and infogami related to chumpette 01:47:16 chumpette uses eep3? 01:47:20 right 01:47:43 * tansaku_xf wonders if infogami is the part of plesh that implements tristero 01:48:16 seems like we're all working on similar things - main difference being you guys are python and I'm in java 01:48:48 Hmm... the tristero stuff is the network code, isn't it? infogami is mainly for data storage (I forget what the network code for plesh is called) 01:48:59 yeah. I think we're planning to develop mainly in C and Python 01:49:10 tristero has network components and a search interface 01:49:27 the tristero search interface specifies an API for adding and searching data 01:50:12 anyways I better get on with the day 01:50:17 * tansaku_xf goes for a shower 01:50:25 fair enough, c'ya :-) 01:51:32 * sbp isn't sure whether to factor bits of the builtins module back into cwmclone or not... 01:54:02 * tansaku_xf isn't sure what a forward chaining inference engine will actually be used for .... 01:56:53 powering a global P2P information space :-) 02:01:30 www2002 (~Snak@223.142www2002.netenterprise.net) has joined #swhack 02:01:34 Hi Aaron 02:01:44 hi 02:02:01 www2002 is now known as AaronSw-WWW2002 02:02:42 laptop is flaking out again :( 02:03:35 so timbl asked me to email amk about getting PKC into pycrypto since he took it out 02:03:42 and also getting guido to put it into the std distribution 02:03:50 because he really wants to sign and encrypt everything 02:03:54 wow, cool! 02:04:30 you're voiced, btw 02:04:38 RF and plesh are even using the same lang ;) 02:04:38 aw, damnit 02:04:50 eikeon, :-) 02:04:58 it always does it when I'm not looking... 02:05:10 He was really excited about your crypto module 02:05:27 :-) 02:05:41 How is Hawaii? 02:06:17 It's great.... the sun is finally out and getting to meet lots of people. 02:06:25 Just met mags, she's watching the rdf intro 02:07:07 * eikeon wishes he was at the conference :( 02:07:27 * sbp too 02:07:35 I just wish my computer was working... 02:07:40 heh 02:08:22 on the other hand, it's not like htere's a whole lot happening 02:08:37 The grid computing stuff seems pretty wishywashy... 02:09:07 There would be more going on if we where there... we all could be talking live instead of over irc ;) 02:09:13 heh 02:09:19 :-) 02:09:21 even the people there are talking over irc. see #www2002 02:09:27 lol 02:09:39 it's great. we chat with the panelists while they're talking and they get so distracted they lose their train of thought 02:10:11 heh, heh 02:10:17 * sbp makes another big API change 02:10:59 Hmm... 5 seconds slower 02:11:29 and memory? 02:11:49 "grid will swallow the semantic web" "no, semantic web will swallow grid" "no, we'll put them together to get semantic grid, which will swallow both!" 02:13:09 like those two snakes 02:14:12 The grid suffers from we're-going-to-do-everything-and-save-the-world-itis. 02:14:29 O.K., { p: { s: [o] } } for the dictionary structure, I've pretty much decided 02:14:58 what, you mean like the SW, WWW, and plesh? 02:15:12 :-) 02:15:20 I'd call that a feature, rather than an itis :-) 02:15:26 Even worse. (Yes, that's *really, really, bad*.) 02:15:56 well, the WWW did pretty well 02:16:24 But it didn't want to do everything. It was just for sharing a few science papers 02:16:45 so why did Tim call it the "World Wide Web", then? 02:16:51 why not just "CERNWeb"? 02:17:04 because it was sharing science papers with everyone in the world 02:17:46 AaronSw-WWW2002 has quit ("in the w3c track") 02:17:50 Hmm... plus the first application was the CERN phone-book, which is hardly a science papery thing 02:17:57 hey, where'd he go? 02:18:09 don't walk away from me when I'm arguing at you! :-) 02:18:16 me? 02:18:21 heh 02:34:44 * Ash dance 02:35:09 /me abuse! 02:40:05 * sbp returns with food 02:44:18 * Ash says hi sbp!! 02:44:25 hehe 02:44:54 whew. another day without sugar. Excellent. 02:45:07 oh, honey honey 02:45:18 you are my candy girl! 02:45:23 and you've got me lovin' you 02:45:26 [do do do do do do] 02:46:05 exit to your left 02:46:15 eikeon has left #swhack 02:46:20 bwahaha! 02:46:45 is my singing really that bad? oh well 02:46:59 heh 02:48:13 JILLZILLA 02:48:23 * Ash gives jillzilla a slice of baklava 02:48:35 [drum roll] It's teh Ash and Jill show! 02:48:39 [crappy music] 02:48:43 TEH ASH AND JILLE SHOWE@!$!@ 02:48:45 YSE!@ 02:48:54 * Ash DOES TEH TAPDANEC~!@ 02:49:01 * jillzilla knows this is only a dream, and she will wake up at any minute. 02:49:10 no chance, bub 02:49:36 pff: where's Morbus when you need him to pinch someone? 02:50:27 What, you don't have fingers? 02:50:45 hehe 02:50:46 I have more sense than to pinch a girl 02:51:11 * jillzilla wields lobster claws. 02:51:16 Morbus, OTOH... 02:51:23 * jillzilla chases sbp...*snap* *SNAP* 02:51:40 hey, don't get snappy with me 02:51:44 Morbus (morbus@s96.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:51:48 argh! 02:51:56 * jillzilla closes in on sbp... 02:52:00 wow, that really is him, too 02:52:03 whoa. 02:52:16 * jillzilla backs away from sbp, unnerved. 02:52:30 it's like he's come to protect me 02:52:40 yes, it seems that way. 02:52:44 he's very quiet, though. 02:52:46 as if uttering the very name has summoned him 02:53:03 you weren't standing in a pentagram when you typed that, were you? 02:53:04 he's probably waiting for an awkward hush before he delivers his creepy address 02:53:12 heh 02:53:23 heh, uh... 02:53:34 logster, where am I? 02:53:38 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-05-09#T02-53-34 02:53:40 haha 02:53:45 what a fecking let down 02:53:53 bah. 02:54:06 hmm? 02:54:22 bwahaahahahah: pff: where's Morbus when you need him to pinch someone? 02:54:24 man, that's funny. 02:55:01 i've been tweaking gamegrene like a champ today. 02:55:14 adding javbascript trickery, making the pages smaller by only showing the latest comments, etc. 02:55:19 nobody's business? 02:55:45 hmm? 02:56:10 tweaking like nobody's business 02:57:10 well, go check out a comm... here, check this out:http://www.gamegrene.com/rants/anarchy_offline.shtml 02:57:27 i got me alternating color boxes due to js trickery, and a popup for "show all comments" 02:58:08 heh heh 02:58:38 heh, heh. anil dashes, i get it. 02:58:48 ha ha 02:58:58 wow. someone understood. 02:59:04 * Morbus ^5's Ash. 03:00:09 to anyone reading the logs in 50 years time: don't worry: they have their own little world 03:00:19 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 03:00:22 rm!" 03:00:27 mooOnk! 03:00:28 rm -f! 03:01:09 [a tremendous atmosphere of anticipation fills the room] 03:01:47 re: ph.ph.cox .... "i'm a fa... fa... ... I like cocks!" 03:02:30 Daphne: I'm glad to be out of that black one. I had to take me undies off just to get the zipper up 03:02:52 Niles: [drops his glass which breaks into a million pieces] 03:03:14 ? 03:04:05 what's that from? 03:04:10 Frasier 03:04:16 aaahHh. 03:04:19 i knew the names sounded familar 03:04:21 it's just one that I saw this evening 03:05:09 * jillzilla realizes abruptly that Adam Duritz is quite annoying. 03:05:41 jill: just now? 03:05:46