00:03:22 Yeah. 00:03:38 Anyway, a perl recordset is just a db file if that's what they're talking about. 00:03:41 It's like a hash stored on disk. 00:16:45 oh, ok. so it's a binary file? 00:16:52 no 00:17:00 i don't believe 00:17:11 could be wrong though 00:17:29 tomch has quit ("about to disconnect...") 00:25:04 the perl db hash is binary, iirc 00:25:08 I try to avoid perl lately.. ;-) 00:25:20 me too 00:25:56 I used to be hax0ring perl all the time. 00:25:58 Heh. 00:27:19 Pretty profitable, but not very enjoyable. 00:37:16 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:46:59 Ash has quit ("hail satan") 00:50:03 Morbus (morbus@s118.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:06:07 Gotta run 01:14:31 tansaku_fg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:35:25 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:37:15 redmonk has quit ("cya") 02:15:39 comittees and specs suck 02:34:46 Morbus (morbus@s118.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:56:28 USELESS TRIVIA: A POEM WRITTEN TO CELEBRATE A WEDDING IS CALLED A---------- . 02:56:34 EPITHALAMIUM 03:01:11 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:12:04 ugh, people want to store stuff in xindice 03:13:04 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 03:32:35 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:40:54 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 04:27:39 @ http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2000/08/24/boll/ 04:28:14 A: http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2000/08/24/boll/ from AaronSw 04:28:30 A:|Library System Terrorizes Publishing Industry 04:28:33 A::Hilarious! 04:28:46 titled item A 04:29:04 commented item A 04:33:11 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 04:34:14 redmonk has left #swhack 04:36:18 AaronSw: how did you improve/modify chump? 04:36:31 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 04:36:36 have you seen the latest version of chump? it's got editable comments 04:36:49 i added autotitling, permalinks (also in the latest version) and the "@ " syntax 04:36:53 oh and the A:: 04:36:55 syntax 04:37:42 really. cool! 04:37:50 i'll have to install that after i restore my server. 04:37:59 what happened to your server? 04:38:05 hard drive failure. 04:38:08 bad cpu 04:38:18 which I think caused the hd problem. 04:38:46 ick! 04:38:51 luckily i didn;t back it up 04:39:02 tansaku_fg (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 04:39:08 'lo all 04:39:18 but I am restoreing data now, and the databases appear to have survived. 04:39:38 you mean you did back it up? 04:39:55 well, I put the drive in another machine and got off everything I could. 04:40:00 ah 04:41:14 tomorrow i install qmail and hopefully cure my email withdrawl 04:41:22 heh 04:41:36 good luck 04:41:41 thanks. 04:41:52 ditto - good luck 04:42:12 ditto, good idea, I think I'll buy one of those :) 04:42:56 redmonk has quit ("cya") 04:49:07 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:21:18 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 05:22:50 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:29:11 redmonk has quit ("cya") 05:34:48 Stallman on the Beatles and Rock and Roll: " I just didn't like their music. I don't know enough about the vocabulary to describe that kind of difference in music. I just didn't like them at first, and then everyone else started liking them and I thought they were stupid. And it seemed like a fad, and I tend to despise people who let themselves get caught up in fads. I at one point tried to form a parody band called Tokyo Rose and the Japanese Beatles. Not t 05:34:48 but I just wanted to make fun of all those people who were crazy about the Beatles. " 05:35:05 - http://www.mgross.com/interviews/stallman1.html 05:37:11 Heh. 'They asked "What kind of roommate do you want?" and I said, "Well, I'd prefer an invisible, inaudible, intangible roommate."' 05:37:56 "For the first time in my life, I felt I had found a home at Harvard. Then they kicked me out after four years for passing too many classes." 06:07:25 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 06:51:12 * AaronSw lies down and goes to sleep 07:25:39 Ash has quit ("hail satan") 08:58:56 "and the Japanese Beatles. Not t"? 08:59:28 ah: "Not to actually play any music, I wasn't a musician, but I just wanted to make fun of all those people who were crazy about the Beatles." 08:59:53 Heh, mental note to disregard musical advice from Stallman :-) 09:00:22 Not that it's the sort of thing that you'd ever talk to him about if you had the chance 09:09:45 xena has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:49 sbp has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:50 talli has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:50 hazmat has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:51 eikeon has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:51 deltab has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:51 loggy has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:52 walloper has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:52 chumpster has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:52 deus_x has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:52 AaronSw has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:10:16 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 09:10:17 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #swhack 09:10:17 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 09:10:17 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 09:10:30 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 09:10:30 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:12:53 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:12:53 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:12:53 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 09:12:53 chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 09:12:53 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:18:38 Hmm... he's intereted in classical and (middle) eastern music 09:20:30 ah, he brought up the free vs. open software distinction 09:29:40 good quote: "It's okay to make money. It's not about money; it's about freedom" 09:39:47 chumpster has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:39:47 walloper has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:39:47 loggy has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:39:48 AaronSw has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:39:48 deus_x has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:46:37 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:46:37 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:46:37 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 09:46:37 chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 09:46:37 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:52:02 deus_x has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:52:12 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 09:54:06 AaronSw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:54:24 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 11:39:07 aha, REM's Pete Buck has been cleared of all charges 13:23:37 tansaku_fg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:31:09 * sbp writes to Bob Bemer 13:41:03 sbp has changed the topic to: "It's okay to make money. It's not about money; it's about freedom" - Richard Stallman 13:56:58 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:03:31 Hey Morb 14:03:39 hey. 14:07:14 .time bst 14:07:15 Apr. 5, 2002 3:07 pm GMT+1 14:08:19 a long, sunny afternoon 14:08:34 Summer sucks, even though it's not quite there yet... 14:08:50 must. not. forget. telecon... 14:08:54 hay-fever, heat exhaustion, droughts 14:09:06 we should cancel summer. Move straight to fall 14:09:13 fall's not much better, though 14:09:14 sounsd good to me. 14:09:15 ick! summer is supposed to be a time of fun and joy and beaches 14:09:24 shuddup AaronSw, you're young yet. 14:09:29 the older you get, the stickier your skin gets 14:09:34 the more lose it feels around your bones. 14:09:36 yeah. stop being so exhuberant 14:09:42 you start hating summer because moisture gets into your cracks. 14:09:45 you sweat profusely. 14:09:48 you mark my words. 14:09:49 14:10:05 that's what air conditioning and pools are for 14:10:15 i don't know how to swim. 14:10:23 and the air conditioning is for the computers, not for me 14:10:28 heh 14:10:30 heh 14:10:32 * AaronSw tries hard to wake up 14:10:47 * sbp chucks a bucket of pool water over Aaron 14:11:16 * AaronSw looks unfazed (sp?), gasps for breath 14:11:37 uhnphayzd 14:11:41 no, hang on... 14:12:01 btw, did you see the cool word triviabot found the other day... 14:12:11 noooo 14:12:25 heh. I'll bet that comes out like "mooooooo" in t2s 14:12:57 "new-woo" 14:13:06 what was it? 14:13:07 ah, the word is EPITHALAMIUM 14:13:39 oh: song or poem written to celebrate a marriage 14:13:42 neat 14:14:15 i've got my mail down to abou 400-600 mails a day. thats good. 14:14:17 tolerable. 14:14:56 you're crazy 14:15:07 why? 14:15:25 * AaronSw attempts to regain enough mental capacity to answer 14:15:28 too much mail 14:15:34 heh, heh. 14:15:37 i was at 1000 a day. 14:15:42 i went through two weeks of pruning. 14:15:46 to get to where i am now. 14:15:48 * Morbus stands proud. 14:16:01 * sbp pictures Morbus pruning away... 14:16:03 did you hear? there's this thing called the delete button... 14:16:24 whazit do? 14:16:46 * AaronSw wonders whether to do half the telecon at home and half in the car or all of it at school 14:17:11 * sbp wonders if it matters either way 14:17:12 RDF Core? 14:17:17 yeah 14:17:48 Hm. I'm agenda item 8. 14:17:55 heheeh. 14:17:57 you personally? 14:18:02 right after all the actions... 14:18:08 "8: get AaronSw a haircut" 14:18:09 well, my draft (mime type reg.) 14:18:21 ah, well that's not you, then. you lied 14:18:44 it's called synechdoche... or egomania, i forget which 14:18:51 * sbp wonders if he can ever trust Aaron again 14:18:58 wow, you're really tired, aren't you? 14:19:11 yeah. stupid stallman book... 14:19:24 you got that book already? 14:19:32 was that one of the freebies you had ordered? 14:19:35 * sbp has managed to balance a bottle on top of a slide on top of a metal dish on top of a lynx can on top of a big bottle on top of a jar of chocolate spread 14:19:38 no, but it's available under the GNU FDL 14:19:49 so i just downloaded it 14:20:07 and the big bottle is upside down. Now that's an achievment 14:20:07 web browsers come in cans now? 14:21:00 not as big as pruning 500 emails 14:22:03 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 14:33:12 this tower wobbles quite a bit, but it seems stable 14:40:51 *crash* 14:43:30 * Morbus respawns. 14:43:32 oh wait... 14:43:43 sometimes i feel like a trout. 14:44:35 trouts generally don't chat on IRC 14:44:43 that I know of 14:45:01 /trout Morbus 14:45:02 * AaronSw slaps Morbus around with a fresh trout 14:45:11 whoo! i'm spawning! 14:45:12 * sbp had to dismantle the tower to get a drink 14:45:37 * Morbus towers over the mantle where he set his drink. 14:45:49 don't dis me! 14:46:02 sorry, there was a syllable left over 14:46:07 britney spears binary presets! britney spears binary presets! britney spears binary presets! 14:46:17 [giggle] 14:47:31 I'd put that in the topic, but do we really want swhack to become a result of odd Britney searches? 14:47:56 no 14:48:29 VoteBot (sbp@m485-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 14:48:36 sorry, you'll have to revote 14:48:44 no 14:48:50 -1 from AaronSw 14:49:08 no 14:49:13 -1 from sbp 14:49:30 come on Morbus, join in the crazy democratic voting frenzy! 14:49:35 oh, the craziness! 14:50:00 yeah, but sbp, it fits. 14:50:05 swhack. word hack. 14:50:06 wow, I thought you'd give it a good old kicking 14:50:11 binary presets is an anagram. 14:50:14 yes 14:50:15 no 14:50:16 no 14:50:21 -2 14:50:22 VoteBot has quit (Client Quit) 14:50:24 +0 14:50:25 argh 14:50:39 oops, did i do that? 14:50:40 argh? 14:50:44 sigh. you did it again. 14:50:48 * sbp reprograms 14:50:52 you're not a girl, but not yet a woman. 14:51:04 stop the thinly-veiled britney refs! 14:51:13 thinly-veiled? vma 2002. 14:51:21 i'm a slave to her love. 14:52:53 argh, i wish retrospect would work 14:53:46 that was fast programming work on VoteBot... or have you been planning it all this time? 14:57:11 VoteBot (~sbp@m485-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 14:57:21 phew 14:57:26 no 14:57:26 VoteBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:57:29 bugger! 14:59:19 VoteBot (~sbp@m831-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 15:00:01 no 15:00:02 +1 from sbp 15:00:09 -1 you dork 15:00:09 +1 from sbp (a revote) 15:00:13 lol 15:00:14 heh 15:00:15 VoteBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:00:40 VoteBot (~sbp@m831-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 15:00:42 no 15:00:43 -1 from sbp (a revote) 15:00:46 right 15:01:20 +0 15:01:24 no 15:01:25 -1 from AaronSw 15:01:31 0 or abstain, AFAIK 15:01:42 what about +0 and -0? 15:01:54 doesn't reconize them 15:02:13 it *should* call the voter a loser if it comes across them, but it's on the TODO list 15:02:16 VoteBot, total? 15:02:17 total: -2 15:02:40 * sbp marvels at his speedy programming job 15:03:01 the first occurance of VoteBot was actually just me. I didn't have a vote bot handy 15:03:12 so when I was "fixing" it, I was actually creating it :-) 15:03:35 i figured 15:04:04 ircASync is marvellous 15:04:19 yep. need to make Moobotthing in it.. 15:04:26 15:04:34 c'ya 15:05:42 Hmm... it tooks me 9:52, which isn't bad considering that my connection also borked, etc. 15:05:48 s/tooks/took/ 15:07:18 sbp: bots built whilst-u-wait 15:07:47 Hey votebot 15:07:47 hi, sbp 15:08:27 Hi votebot 15:08:27 hi, Morb\x75s 15:08:32 dude, fix that fucking bug 15:08:35 heh, heh 15:08:47 it's not a bug: it thinks that CharBot is around 15:08:56 actually, I just rewired the guts of CharBot... 15:09:01 "bots built whilst you wait... unless you use the letter U. then you suck" 15:09:14 the bug is in your nickname :-) 15:09:20 uh huh... 15:09:32 http://www.crimeweek.com/cidu.html 15:10:36 heh! 15:11:38 i love this site. 15:11:45 man, i love the boondocks though. 15:11:48 i wish i didn't have crap to do. 15:11:52 there's so much stuff i enjoy reading. 15:17:25 argh. 15:17:33 what's the new winerlog address? 15:17:38 winerlog.weblogger is borked 15:20:21 wow! 15:20:27 the "offset" tag in MT 2.0 rocks. 15:20:37 er, attr rather 15:35:42 go here: http://threering.net:3/ 15:39:20 kickass! 15:39:25 farscape is back on tonight. whOoOo! 15:39:51 neo85 (neo85@dialup-209.246.109.17.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) has joined #swhack 15:39:54 hey 15:40:02 hey there ny user. 15:40:14 anyone know a game called nexustk? 15:40:24 .google nexustk 15:40:25 nexustk: http://www.nexustk.com 15:40:33 we do now 15:40:41 heh, it was wrong: I am 96% sure that you are from Deerfield, Illinois, United States (Lat: 42 / Long: -87). 15:40:42 xena 15:40:45 you play it? 15:40:45 why do you ask? 15:40:54 neo85, review it for gamegrene.com 15:40:56 that site rocks. 15:41:09 i want to hack the game =P 15:41:18 aj. 15:41:23 have you hacked webbased games before? 15:41:27 nope 15:41:31 oh. well, nevermind. 15:41:33 i know its tough 15:41:44 do you know the difference between GET and POST? 15:41:56 im not a hacker 15:42:03 was hoping someone would tell me how to do it 15:42:18 or maybe have a script for it or something 15:42:44 Xena 15:42:48 do you play it? 15:42:59 neo85, you need to ask Xena with a "google" prefix. 15:43:11 oh ok 15:43:15 he's out to lunch, so using google: will sms a message off to him 15:43:26 so how i do it 15:43:35 look at sbp's thing above. 15:43:41 .google do you play nexustk? 15:43:42 do you play nexustk: http://www.nexustk.com/html/support/tk_support_starting.html 15:43:54 like that? 15:43:59 right 15:44:14 so morb have you hacked webbased games? 15:44:31 BTW, this channel is publically logged to the Web (so we can find out what we were doing a month ago and so forth. Oh, and to take notes) 15:44:55 neo: to make sure things aren't logged, talk directly to logster. 15:44:57 like: 15:45:05 logster, don't save this text 15:45:05 I'm logging. I don't understand 'don't save this text', Morbus. Try /msg logster help 15:45:13 when he doesn't understand, he doesn't log. 15:45:32 i say i logster than whatever i want to sat? 15:45:33 say*? 15:45:42 right. and it won't be logged. just like I did. 15:45:59 logster, have you hacked webbased games? 15:48:42 I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'have you hacked webbased games' 15:48:43 0) 2002-04-05 15:45:59 logster, have you hacked webbased games? 15:48:44 1) 2002-04-05 15:44:14 so morb have you hacked webbased games? 15:48:45 2) 2002-04-05 15:41:23 have you hacked webbased games before? 15:49:01 like that? 15:49:01 yeah, but don't ask it to grep anything, because we'll be here all night 15:49:01 right. sometimes he lags in responses, though. just rest assured. 15:49:01 ok 15:49:01 hop a vop e wop e bop bop a sop e dop gop a mop e? 15:49:01 keyboard problem? 15:49:01 op language 15:49:01 oh. Well, I'm not an op 15:49:01 neither am i 15:49:01 =p 15:49:01 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 15:49:01 so morb can u asnwer my question? 15:49:28 hey xena, morbus, asw, et al 15:49:43 guess not 15:49:57 hey there 15:50:07 what was your question? 15:50:43 about nexus 15:50:53 have web based game? 15:50:54 remember what i askee=d morb 15:50:58 you should figure out if they're using GETs or POSTs. 15:51:04 how do i do that? 15:51:05 what's up xena 15:51:35 xena's out to lunch, according to Morbus 15:51:44 yeah, you gotta do the sms thing. 15:51:53 i wonder where he's eating. 15:52:01 .google what are you having fun lunch? 15:52:03 what are you having fun lunch: http://www.akbkhome.com/Photos 15:52:14 fun lunch? sheesh, i can't spell. 15:52:20 fun lunch? 15:52:21 lol! 15:52:33 morb how i figure if they using Post or Gets/ 15:52:45 neo85, probably the easiest way is to email the admins. 15:52:46 he's probably off cajoling walloper 15:52:50 just social engineer em. 15:52:58 neo85: just add :STATUS to the end of the url 15:53:11 posts and gets are innocent things. its like asking for a pencil. they should tell you no problem. 15:53:12 like this: http://www.apache.com:STATUS 15:55:04 doesnt work ash 15:55:37 logster: it doesn't work because they have disabled it for security purposes, neo :( 15:55:38 Ash: he probably has to reroute his IP packets through a trandectal-box first 15:55:52 logster: Try another site, or try using an anonymizer like safeweb.com 15:56:14 logster: sbp: I don't know if that would work in this case.. 15:56:15 you guys really know your stuff lol 15:56:43 well, we're experts. Y'know: the swhack cabal 15:57:10 so i just email the admins and find out if they using get or post 15:57:16 you're lucky, we usually charge a lot of money for consultation... 15:57:43 that would work, neo. if they don't tell you, there's something funny about that. 15:57:58 what exactly is gets and posts? 15:58:40 gets and posts are how your web browser talks to a website 15:58:54 oh i see 15:58:54 it gets the posts from the web server 15:59:15 so your browser says: POST GET HTTP://APACHE.COM/INDEX.HTMAL 15:59:24 i see 15:59:28 they're HTTP methods, to be precise 15:59:30 but you just see the page come up 15:59:36 it can also do grabs 15:59:43 if you are going to save the page 15:59:51 right. 15:59:52 GRABS HTTP://APACHE.COM/INDEX.HTMAL 15:59:59 i see 16:00:02 VoteBot has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:00:06 You can use those commands in the 'location bar' in some web browsers 16:00:18 you have: GET, POST, GRABS, DELETE, and RESPAWN 16:00:30 So if you typed 'GRABS HTTP://WWW.HOTMAIL.COM/INDEX.HTMAL' into your location bar it would download the main page to your hard drive 16:00:49 be sure you have the HTMAL extension otherwise it won't work 16:01:00 you get that by typing 'LOAD HTMAL' into a command shell 16:01:05 right. you can try stuff like: 16:01:06 dos shell 16:01:18 GRABS HTTP://WWW.HOTMAIL.COM/INDEX.HTMAL?source-code 16:01:20 ok 16:01:20 or 16:01:27 GRABS HTTP://WWW.HOTMAIL.COM/INDEX.HTMAL?admin-account 16:02:05 you might want to try using grabs on the site you're trying to hack with the admin-account flag at the end 16:02:13 they might have left it so it's not password protected 16:03:02 ITS NOT A SITE 16:03:08 ITS A ONLINE GAME 16:03:10 what, you said it was a site 16:03:25 well, online games run on sites. 16:03:32 OK 16:03:34 so if you get into the site, then you're doing really well. 16:03:48 you can pretty much do anything - mess with your account, mess with the admin accounts. 16:03:50 etc. 16:04:03 i got a free account on everquest by hacking their site 16:04:07 unless it's one of these new X3SD games: shiteless! 16:04:09 er... siteless 16:04:17 you did, Ash?! holy crap, hook me up. 16:04:22 HOW CAN I GET INTO A COMMAND SHELL TO GET THE HTMAL 16:04:22 yeah 16:04:28 ever since they found my other account. i've been having to pay. 16:04:30 it sucks. 16:04:41 neo85: pick start->run, then type 'command.com' 16:04:43 neo: what OS do you run? No, let me guess, Windows... 16:04:50 YEAH 16:05:16 O.K., just follow Ash. He's the pro. 16:05:46 /msg morbus you have to use grabs, do GRABS HTTP://WWW.EVERQUEST-ADMIN.COM/INDEX.HTMAL?ROOT-USER/ACCOUNTS then you can edit your account 16:05:51 oops 16:06:12 uh... 16:06:18 * Morbus whistles innocently. 16:06:22 DO I NEED TO GO TO A SPECIFIC FOLDER TO LOAD THE HTMAL? 16:06:40 Morbus can you make sure logster doesn't log that 16:06:50 I've already gotten in trouble with the eq people a bunch of times 16:06:52 does it say "C:\WINDOWS\Desktop"? 16:06:59 YEAH 16:07:13 no problem. 16:07:36 neo85: you may need to clear out the old HTMAL files first with DELTREE C:\ /y 16:08:09 Anyway, then type 'LOAD HTMAL' 16:09:11 neo85: Did that work? 16:09:29 I PUT IN /Y? 16:09:35 Yes. 16:10:01 THATS ALL? 16:10:08 no, you have to have the other part 16:10:17 DELTREE C:\ /Y 16:10:21 it clears out the old HTMAL trees 16:10:23 OH OK 16:10:27 they're .TREE files 16:10:58 IT SAYS DELETE SUHDLOG.DAT 16:11:36 DETLOG.TXT? 16:11:47 yeah, just delete all the trees 16:13:11 DIDNT SEE ANY .TREE FILES 16:14:23 it's okay, the ones deltree finds are tree files 16:14:35 and your caps lock is stuck 16:14:50 sorry 16:14:56 and you don't seem to have an apostrophe key 16:15:48 i dont think the files deltre found were the ones 16:16:03 cause it said delete win98 and subdirectories 16:16:10 Yup, that's right 16:16:19 the win98 folder holds only tree files 16:16:34 ok 16:17:38 ok done 16:18:49 ash, do you remember if a reboot is required? 16:18:57 i keep forgetting, and all my notes are on my other machine. 16:19:24 Yeah, you might have to reboot neo85 16:19:32 if 'LOAD HTMAL' doesn't work, reboot 16:19:55 deleting win98 files would not mess up the win98 os right? 16:19:58 nope 16:20:01 ok 16:20:05 it just deletes the tree files 16:21:34 well, I'm going to lunch: I'll try to track down xena 16:21:37 c'ya 16:21:44 ok sbp 16:21:48 tell her hi for me 16:26:43 neo, having any luck with the LOAD command? 16:45:08 neo85 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:45:18 whoo hoo! 16:45:51 I got it working. 16:45:52 cool. 16:46:03 stupid game bot thing. 16:46:07 kinda like trivia, only weirder. 16:46:41 Cool. 16:46:48 You should check out 'chaosbot' 16:46:50 I love chaos! 16:46:58 do you ever read chaos comics? 16:47:00 I think there's a chaosbot over on UnderNet. 16:47:01 Nope 16:47:04 good? 16:47:17 they're mostly boob comics, but there are decent ones, yeah. 16:47:24 cool 16:49:45 heh, neo seems to have deleted an essential file 16:53:50 heh heh 16:53:56 * Ash laughs evilly 16:53:59 *muahahahah* 16:56:54 * sbp writes up an I-D for the RESPAWN HTTP method 16:57:24 hehehe 16:57:39 "all clients must RESPAWN for each *splurtch* request they receive" 16:58:33 heh, heh 16:58:51 it's a shame that April fool's day just went. Perhaps for next year 17:00:21 hehe 17:21:52 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 17:26:21 woo, 13 actions down. 17:26:34 that's not enough, though... 17:26:41 i'll have to try better next time. 17:26:51 but in my defense i only had half the meeting 17:26:52 heh 17:27:15 so now i have to submit this internet draft thingy 17:27:21 i guess i should run spellceck first 17:27:58 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 17:28:13 Ash has changed the topic to: "It's okay to make money. It's not about money; it's about freedom" - Richard Stallman || welcome to #evil 17:28:37 is obsoleted a word? 17:28:39 .spell obsoleted 17:28:40 potential spellings for obsoleted are: obsoleted, obsoletes, obsolesced, obsolete, absoluter, absolutized, obsolesces, absolutest, absolutes, absolutize 17:28:48 yep 17:29:06 huh. 17:29:10 hm, silly dictionary doesn't even have publically in it 17:29:11 i've always used obsolesched. 17:29:16 or brickley 17:29:17 yeah, cos its spelled wrong 17:29:22 publicly 17:29:28 heh, heh 17:29:29 it can be spelled either way 17:29:47 uh huh. 17:29:50 note that it does have Swartz 17:29:52 .spell publically 17:29:53 potential spellings for publically are: publically, publicly, publicans, publican, publicness, publica, publicae, publication, publishable, publishers 17:30:01 publicly is the usual spelling 17:30:05 oooOh, i see. 17:30:06 so. 17:30:09 .spell dictionery 17:30:10 potential spellings for dictionery are: dictionary, dictionaries, dictionally, dictional, dicoumarin, dishonorer, disharmony, discounter, diachronies, dishonored 17:30:19 i guess i can use dictionery in normal speech then too? 17:30:32 oh. 17:30:33 nevermind. 17:30:35 missed it. 17:30:35 sigh. 17:30:37 "Publicly is the usual spelling; publically does occur, but rarely in Edited English." - http://www.bartleby.com/68/73/4873.html 17:30:47 anytime i've ever tried to use publically, its always been corected. 17:31:07 we should do a "publically" drive 17:31:21 is the opposite of publically hiddenfoe? 17:31:41 er, privatefoe rather 17:31:47 that makes more sense. 17:32:24 i wonder if neo85 ever got into that server. 17:32:28 he left kinda abruptly. 17:32:51 he's probably waiting for a reply on the GET/POST question 17:33:59 I think i just copied-and-pasted publically from the i-d form text 17:34:16 oh, "The mailing list is publically archived" 17:34:35 .google "The mailing list is publically archived" 17:34:36 "The mailing list is publically archived": http://lists.infoanarchy.org/pipermail/p2pj/2001-March/000060.html 17:34:45 ah, xena's back from lunch 17:34:57 or did I just SMS him/her? :-) 17:35:03 heh, heh 17:35:10 i don't think he knew what sms meant. 17:35:14 hey, Sunir Shah. I know that guy 17:35:18 probably not 17:35:54 off to lunch 17:49:07 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:49:25 rm! 17:49:30 sbp! 17:52:02 no freakin way 17:52:08 that is so awesome 17:52:16 that kids gonna need therapy 17:52:18 way! 17:52:24 heh, heh 17:52:30 ehehehe 17:52:33 * Ash grins 17:52:44 * sbp ^5's Ash 17:52:53 ^5 17:53:07 hackers 1, crackers 0 17:53:13 w00t 17:53:26 Ash has changed the topic to: "It's okay to make money. It's not about money; it's about freedom" - Richard Stallman || hackers 1, crackers 0 17:53:30 :-) 17:55:28 argh, I really want to do "/mode #swhack +u" 17:56:30 man 17:56:34 that's too funny 17:56:43 what are channel modes in irc? 17:56:55 * redmonk shows his irc newbieness 17:57:13 do you mean what are the available modes, or what are modes in general? 17:57:36 i general 17:57:38 in general, they control the attributes of the channel. For example, +n on this channel means that no one can send external messages 17:57:43 like why it +u good? ;-) 17:57:55 +u doesn't exist as a mode on this server 17:58:12 however, it would be particularly funny given that this channel currently has a mode of +gn 17:58:20 especially with the Stallman topic :-) 17:58:42 ah ;-) 17:58:44 +gnu 17:58:46 got it 17:58:59 * redmonk is still on cup of coffe #1 17:59:04 :-) 17:59:43 Gotta run 17:59:47 cya 18:02:52 +u? 18:02:52 18:02:54 18:03:09 so the channel mode would then be 18:03:11 +gnu 18:03:14 ;-) 18:04:23 wow, Robin Williams uses OmniWeb on OS X 18:04:38 uri? 18:04:47 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201748673/reader/1/ 18:05:13 heh 18:05:28 Robin "not-as-in-Mork" Williams 18:06:29 heh 18:06:47 I like how that book is by Dave Rohr and David Rohr 18:10:20 brb 18:19:04 man, i feel sick now. 18:21:47 jeez. 18:21:55 you know, we help out neo and then he doesn't even come back and thank us 18:22:43 "Rand al'Thor: What the, ehh, what is this, anyone wanna write to me and explain, Master_rand@hotmail.com PLS it looks interesteng, since I do not understand anything :)" 18:22:44 heh, heh. 18:22:51 on that threering page 18:24:35 hey Morbus, do you know if anyone has MovableType skins? 18:25:00 i haven't heard of any. 18:36:20 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:40:36 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #swhack 18:43:37 google globs would be cool 18:43:48 GOOGLE GLOBS 18:43:54 http://globs.google.com/ 18:44:06 oontz.google.com 18:44:18 GOOGLE MUSIC: OOONTZ OONTZ OONTZ 18:44:31 oingo boingo? 18:46:02 it'd suck if you could get email poisoning 18:47:19 * Ash sends AaronSw some poisoned email 18:49:22 hmm. 18:49:26 i wonder... 18:49:31 like with palms and touch screens. 18:49:42 i wonder if you could tweak the display to deliver a shock 18:52:14 hehe 18:53:09 http://www.truerwords.net/1884 18:53:22 "Oh brother. Yep, there it is in the Notification panel of the prefs window: a new pref that wasn't there yesterday, called, "Deliver 2kV Electric Shock." (In other words, every time Mailsmith downloads new mail today, it's supposedly setting my hair on end... or on fire.)" 18:54:59 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:57:38 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #swhack 18:57:52 ooh: http://www.barebones.com/press/releases/2002/04.01-personalanalogdevice.html 19:00:32 heh, heh 19:07:14 mailsmith doesn't look bad becuase its a bbedit product. 19:07:23 but it too has a single db storage system. 19:07:25 it drives me nuts. 19:07:44 weird: 19:07:48 .google programming 19:07:49 programming: http://www.perl.com 19:08:02 and java is #3 19:08:47 .google anti-programming 19:08:48 anti-programming: http://www.emonline.com/shales/123101shales.html 19:08:58 .google anti programming 19:09:00 anti programming: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Methodologies/Patterns_and_Anti-Patterns 19:09:15 ooh. 19:09:16 The Amsterdam Collection of Patterns in User Interface Design - A XML based collection of user centered patterns in user interface design. Includes background information and links to other collections. 19:09:41 um. 19:09:45 that redirects to http://www.welie.com/patterns/ 19:10:07 but no xml. 19:10:13 unless they consider xhtml close enough 19:10:23 funnily enough, i had this site bookmarked already. 19:11:22 What is the main ingredient in [7]Chilli Con Carne? 19:11:22 A) Beef B) Vodka C) Chocolate 19:11:22 19:11:26 what's the answer to that? 19:11:28 beef? 19:12:01 carne is meat 19:12:15 oh. well, this was obvious too. 19:12:20 What is the main ingredient in [7]Chilli Con Carne? 19:12:20 A) Beef B) Vodka C) Chocolate 19:12:20 19:12:20 Send your answer (A, B, or C) to [8]moo@apacheweek.com to reach us 19:12:20 no later than 16th April 2002. We do read all the entries, so if 19:12:24 argh. 19:18:54 heh, I like Seth's .sig: 19:18:55 redmonk has quit (Remote closed the connection) 19:18:56 "If you don't want unicorns to exist, 19:18:56 then don't talk about them." 19:18:56 Pat Hayes ~ 2002 19:20:02 pff. 19:20:03 "This error indicates that you either do not have a sound card or it is functioning incorrectly. If you do not have a sound card, you must install one to play this file. If you do have a sound card, refer to its documentation to troubleshoot the problem." 19:20:07 now, that's just an innane. 19:20:09 its a movie file. 19:20:18 i want to see the video. i don't care about the audiuo. 19:20:27 stupid wmp. 19:23:48 Hm. My nose is bleeding. 19:24:23 plug it. 19:24:27 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 19:24:56 ugh 19:25:18 *something* on my os x box has the power to brring the whole thing to a grinding halt 19:25:25 and it ain't IE 19:25:34 ppp? 19:25:35 seti? 19:26:09 large cat sitting in front of the power supply fan? 19:26:30 nope 19:26:42 virtual pc? 19:26:44 i'm on ethernet, not running seti 19:26:46 nope 19:26:46 stickies? 19:26:54 what happens is this: 19:26:56 lol 19:27:21 oh. 19:27:31 suddenyl the machine becomes unresponsive, sometimes the cursor tracks slowly,m but something is starving the cpu 19:27:35 maybe your raucous laughter freezes it in its tracks. 19:27:43 AOL's AIM client? 19:27:44 so leave top running in the background 19:27:49 Mail.app does that some time 19:27:56 s/top/iProcess Viewer/ 19:28:02 that will go for a few seconds (5-10) 19:28:17 then it will let up for another 5-10 19:28:26 then back to frozen, ad infinitum 19:28:35 hard reboot is the only fix 19:28:41 pff. i never use process viewer 19:28:46 i've even tried to force-quit stuff 19:28:52 is classic running? 19:28:57 (takes fuh-ever) 19:28:58 nope 19:29:07 to no avail 19:29:10 it's weird 19:29:19 oh, generic btw, there's an april security patch out in swupdate 19:29:32 yeah 19:30:08 the funniest side effect is that itunes will only get a slice every 5 or 10 seconds, so my music goes in and out 19:30:17 that's the first clue - when the music dies 19:30:30 hmm. 19:30:38 you knwo that happens to me when i have itunes running too. 19:30:38 "the day the music died..." 19:30:40 heh 19:30:55 i've had this happen when itunes was not running 19:30:59 but not as often, true 19:31:06 i'll be doing something, and that program will stop functioning. then the music will stop in about five seconds, then I get spod until i reboot 19:31:10 hardboot 19:31:15 yeah 19:31:25 spod? 19:31:30 that happens MOST of the time to me when I'm downloading/uploading enough to saturate my connection (56k0 19:31:33 56k, rather. 19:31:37 spinning pizza of death 19:31:37 heh 19:31:40 ah 19:31:42 ;-) 19:31:44 :) 19:32:24 i don't even get spod 19:32:29 the cursor stays the same 19:32:38 (normal) 19:33:42 you should run process viewer 19:33:48 yup. 19:33:52 and maybe tcpdump too. 19:33:58 i know that on my dad's iBook he has some weird hard drive access iMail does that locks up the system 19:34:04 ggot top running now 19:34:15 i don't use Mail. does anyone in here? 19:34:20 i do 19:34:20 it just doesn't feel right to me. 19:34:25 how do you feel about it? 19:34:25 i like it 19:34:29 i like ti 19:34:29 have you tried combining it with procmail? 19:34:35 no time 19:34:35 what were you using before? 19:34:44 OE 19:34:44 do you use filters? how many emails do you get daily? storeD? 19:34:47 oh, so it might be that's what's causing the problem 19:35:13 is it easy to stop HTML? i just want a plain old monospace font, not antiA. 19:35:30 i'm on wo-dev, wo-admin, and a bunch of other lists 19:35:37 prolly get a couple hundred emails a day 19:35:40 not too bad 19:35:42 filters? 19:35:45 how are the filters? 19:35:45 yeah 19:35:48 so so 19:35:57 unlimited number of conditions per filter, or restricted? 19:35:57 wish they had grep 19:36:01 hm. 19:36:04 * redmonk checks 19:36:19 Yeah, Mail rocks. 19:36:29 do you still use entourage AaronSw? 19:36:34 yep 19:36:37 maybe i should give mail another look. 19:36:49 i like the messages opening in their own window though, not in a pane. 19:37:00 i use eudora and have the preview panes turned off. 19:37:01 you can do that, i'm pretty sure 19:37:10 ugh. 1 - based only on [header] [contains|starts|ends] etc 19:37:10 can you view multiple mailboxes at the same time? 19:37:40 in my eudora, i have the mailbox list on the left, the task progress in the lower left, and then a 70% inbox and a 30% outbox on the right. 19:37:42 it works insanely well for me. 19:38:17 you can't open a mailbox in a new window 19:38:24 yuk 19:38:30 i have th list of mailboxes on the left 19:38:33 i'm picky. 19:38:38 contents top-right 19:38:41 its hard to leave an email program you've used for years 19:38:43 preview bottom right 19:38:46 no kidding 19:39:02 mail is slow when you get 4000+ emmails in a mailbox 19:39:06 (wo-dev) 19:39:17 hmm. 19:39:27 i have about 1200 in my "sent items" for this year along. 19:39:28 though it's not BAD 19:39:29 alone. 19:39:54 * redmonk has 433 since october 19:40:12 * redmonk reads a lot/writes little 19:40:28 sw people: go to ntk.net and read the second blurb under Hard News 19:40:39 hazmat has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:42:00 strace meets expect" about covers it. SUBTERFUGUE for Linux 19:42:00 2.4 kernels lets you insert Python code between the OS and 19:42:00 an application, mangling and filtering any data along the 19:42:00 way. 19:42:18 A version for MacOS X could 19:42:18 be a timely development. Oh go on. 19:42:18 http://subterfugue.org/ 19:42:51 "so how do we encode "implies a time-event when pigs will fly"?" 19:43:52 :SemanticWeb => [ a :TimeEvent ; :where { :Pigs :ability :Fly } . 19:44:11 heh. 19:44:14 heh 19:44:14 is that this n3 thing? 19:44:45 yes 19:46:42 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:52:09 CRAP 19:52:39 when my machine borked, Project Builder decided to write SHIT over 3 of my source files 19:52:52 i HATE that 19:52:56 you need CVS 19:53:19 using it - but i had not yet checked in my recent changes - fixes i should say. 19:53:27 i'll get tht eold version back 19:53:42 but it still means another half-hour of reworking 20:03:00 * sbp is rather pleased having written and recorded a couple of new songs 20:03:23 good forr you sbp 20:03:27 wanna hear 'em 20:04:09 anyone know how much those little usb mikes are? 20:04:15 I'd put them online but a) I don't want to b) they're huge wav's c) I can't be bothered to compress them :-) 20:04:26 little usb mikes? dunno 20:04:35 just rip e'm to mp3... 20:04:37 I have two regular ones... about a fiver each 20:04:51 er, 'em 20:05:09 right 20:05:53 it's funny: I'd written one, and as I went to record that one, I came up with another and recorded that too. Heh 20:07:09 awesome 20:07:41 Wow, a Sysadmin's code of ethics: http://www.sage-au.org.au/ethics.html 20:11:07 starthsip.s? 20:11:17 heh 20:11:22 heh,h eh 20:11:25 heh 20:12:03 Oh! 20:12:05 Oh good. 20:14:38 ugh, my neck is really hurting 20:14:45 http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/us-cranky15/?n-us-442 20:15:29 [OLM] 20:15:36 what's that mean? 20:16:14 it means "Oh, little Morby" 20:17:08 ah 20:17:11 hehe 20:17:15 hehe 20:18:23 Have I mentioned today that I love kinesis? 20:18:30 not yet, AFAIK 20:18:38 I just reprogrammed my kinesis to have a higher typematic rate, plus I remapped a bunch of keys 20:18:39 woohoo 20:18:51 that's marvellous 20:18:53 http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm <- mine 20:18:56 what on earth are you talking about? 20:18:57 ah 20:19:13 keyboardddddddddddddddd 20:19:15 woo 20:19:24 I've seen a picture of your keyboard. I feel so leet 20:19:41 Yes, you are leet now. 20:19:49 I have two of them here in the office. 20:19:57 that is the freakiest keyboard i've seen lately 20:20:16 which one do you have? no, let me guess... the classic 20:21:40 ugh, my neck is reaally hurting 20:21:56 didn't you already say that? 20:22:00 ah, you added an extra a 20:22:06 it *must* be hurting, then :-) 20:22:08 how did you do it? 20:22:15 heh, so i did. it must be affecting my memory 20:22:16 ';-) 20:22:20 heh, heh, heh 20:22:22 I have the classic, sbp 20:22:23 hehe 20:22:37 I don't really need the pro- the classic has enough memory for me. 20:22:50 i used to us one of the MS ergo kb's 20:22:53 when i used a desktop 20:22:59 now i only use my tibook 20:23:00 sbp has changed the topic to: "It's okay to make money. It's not about money; it's about freedom" - Richard Stallman || hackers 1, crackers 0 || Aaron's neck is hurting || This topic is getting too long 20:23:30 our poor weblog users... 20:23:42 Ash has changed the topic to: "It's okay to make money. It's not about money; it's about freedom" - Richard Stallman || hackers 1, crackers 0 || Aaron's neck is hurting || This topic is getting too long || No, no it's not. 20:23:44 OSXGuide offers a brief look at three non-Microsoft e-mail clients for OS X, and the author rates Eudora highest, followed closely by PowerMail and Mailsmith. 20:23:49 heh 20:23:56 http://www.osxguide.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=35&mode=&order=0 20:24:02 chump it! 20:24:17 um... 20:24:19 @ http://www.osxguide.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=35&mode=&order=0 20:24:21 ? 20:24:29 yep 20:24:29 @http://www.osxguide.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=35&mode=&order=0 20:24:35 * Morbus grumbles 20:24:37 no, you were right before, just gotta wait 20:24:39 the chump has forsaken me. 20:24:45 B: http://www.osxguide.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=35&mode=&order=0 from Morbus 20:24:45 .google "Contribute in representing state in RDF" 20:24:46 "Contribute in representing state in RDF": http://infomesh.net/2001/swintro 20:24:53 AaronSw has changed the topic to: crypto is hard. let's go shopping. 20:25:01 B|OS X Email Client Showdown 20:25:08 B:|OS X Email Client Showdown 20:25:08 it's B:| 20:25:12 there you go 20:25:25 titled item B 20:25:45 B::Doesn't rank Entourage due to its "reported instability", so entourage lovers beward. 20:25:56 d'oh 20:26:01 commented item B 20:26:01 beward? hehity 20:26:13 B1::Doesn't rank Entourage due to its "reported instability", so entourage lovers beware 20:26:17 come on now! 20:26:19 B::But hey, my favored email program is Eudora, which has mbox compatible files for each mailbox. 20:26:22 cccccccaaam an! 20:26:29 Pff! 20:26:39 commented item B 20:26:51 chumpster, I hork at thee 20:27:17 B::"Unfortunately, there are still some very noticeable pitfalls to Mailsmith. First of all, it has no HTML viewing capabilities, which will be annoying if you rely on email that has HTML formatting." 20:27:22 B::This is not a shortcoming. 20:27:30 B::This is enlightenemnt. 20:27:36 B::Preach it brother. 20:27:37 commented item B 20:27:58 commented item B 20:28:15 commented item B 20:28:38 commented item B 20:28:40 B::Testify! 20:28:53 heh, sorry. Had to 20:28:57 commented item B 20:29:04 B::You betta recognize! 20:29:16 B::"Gentlemen, testify!" 20:29:24 * AaronSw grabs new chump and mod_xslt 20:29:26 * sbp listens to Mr. Sandman 20:29:27 commented item B 20:29:44 commented item B 20:29:46 sorry - obligatory REM reference 20:29:47 MyFreePress.com has a great tag line. "Freedom of the press is only guaranteed to those who own one" 20:29:56 that's an old saying 20:30:06 never heard it. 20:30:06 What's the frequency, redmonk? 20:30:09 heheheheh 20:30:16 * Morbus kicks redmonk 20:30:30 AJ Liebling, "The Press" 20:30:37 sbp: lol 20:30:48 * redmonk hops on one foot 20:30:54 ouch! 20:30:58 *splutch* 20:31:05 heh, heh 20:31:06 * redmonk respawns 20:31:10 * sbp waits for Morb to respawn 20:31:23 * Morbus lags. 20:31:25 * Morbus respawns 20:31:28 lol 20:31:33 god i love swhack 20:31:41 hours of entertainment 20:31:47 heh, I was just about to say something like that :-) 20:31:48 hehehe 20:31:53 it's "home" :-) 20:31:59 interactive tv, bah! 20:32:01 who needs it 20:32:24 yeah 20:32:27 irc's better than tv 20:33:13 gimme textlets, a crazy bitchbot named xena, a deranged disobey dude, a wacky recluse, an REM fan, and some genii/bots, and what do you get? Doom jokes, OSX article reviews, and banter 20:33:33 bruce banter? 20:33:36 isn't he the incredible hulk?! 20:33:46 ooh, we need a HulkBot 20:33:53 yeah! 20:34:03 and like, the more text there is in an hour, the angrier he gets. 20:34:04 "mr. mcgee, don't make me angry..." 20:34:14 until eventually, he'll just start spouting obscenties into the channel. 20:34:24 "you wouldn't like me when i'm angry" 20:34:39 I dunno how we'll make it turn green, though 20:34:49 all the bots are greeen right now ;-) 20:34:49 ask AaronSw, he's up on colors 20:34:53 heh, heh 20:35:03 * Ash wonders if he's hte wacky recluse 20:35:04 lol 20:35:08 s/hte/the/ 20:35:17 no, that's me 20:35:19 I make the bots green. 20:35:21 Ah 20:35:24 I'm just one of the bots 20:35:26 bleep bloop 20:35:31 * Ash does the robot 20:35:34 *dance dance dance* 20:36:02 sbp has changed the topic to: AaronSw: kissed the bots and made them green 20:36:21 they're like a blarney stone of robotic arousal 20:38:04 that was rude 20:38:15 AaronSw has changed the topic to: * Ash does the robot 20:38:34 huh? 20:38:34 what was rude? 20:38:41 WTF? 20:39:25 I'll just give you time to think about what you've done. 20:39:26 Newsguy: "Mr. Swartz was not available for comments" 20:39:35 heheh 20:39:36 Oh. O.K. 20:39:54 he was out stroking the emotions of the blarney stone, who at this time, is suing Morbus for emotional distress. 20:40:08 all I can think is that I changed your crappy topic into a kick-ass one in doubleplusquick time 20:40:27 i'll kick your... 20:40:34 butt if you kick mine? 20:41:26 right, well, I'm lost. Oh well 20:42:52 ha ha 20:43:44 paradise lost? 20:44:23 New Scientist. Early puberty in girls linked to shampoos. >>>...says Chandra Tiwary, former chief of paediatric endocrinology at Brooke Army Medical Center in Texas. "I believe that the frequency of sexual precocity can be reduced simply if children do not use those hair products," he says.<<< 20:45:24 I wonder how they came to that conclusion? 20:45:58 emperical evidence, according to the article 20:46:22 oh, well, it must be true then 20:46:30 ok. 20:46:31 Cocoa developers: you can call CFURLCreateStringByAddingPercentEscapes 20:46:36 Common side effects of this product may include but not be limited to early-onset puberty... 20:46:37 now, that's just the most insane function name i've ever seen 20:46:53 yeah - many CF calls are way out there 20:46:53 rm: heh, heh 20:48:31 in WO there's a classic one: 20:48:50 WORemoveBugs? 20:48:52 the thing I leanred today: 20:48:52 myObject.addObjectToBothSidesOfRElationshipWithKey() 20:48:54 "Great April 1st, some jokes were too obvious though. By the way, here in Mexico it's a non-event, December 28th is the local equivalent." 20:49:25 this april 1st was LAME 20:49:30 everything was just so stupid. 20:49:35 It's like AOL invaded the internet. 20:49:35 I'm the master: doTheTriple! 20:49:47 the h2o joke was pretty funny 20:49:54 Yes, that was quite good. 20:49:59 But that was the only really good one I heard. 20:51:42 too bad the thing with neo85 wasn't on aprils fools 20:51:52 that was high-larious 20:51:55 heh. 20:51:58 were you watching it live? 20:52:04 no - logs 20:52:10 unfortunately 20:52:11 :-) 20:52:15 :) 20:52:15 Gotta run 20:52:18 That's funny any day of the year. 20:52:18 would have jjumped in 20:52:22 heheheh 20:52:22 yep 20:53:54 In an WWDC Update email to Apple Developers, Apple advises that all attendees of Apple's 2002 Worldwide Developers Conference will receive InstallAnywhere - Mac OS X Edition, a US$1,995 value, for free! 20:53:55 nice! 20:55:46 oh sorry, no. 20:56:48 not gonna help YOU ;-) 20:57:32 Hm, Apache's giving me "Could not determine base pathname of the file" 21:00:30 " i lot my self in sorrow" 21:00:38 "i lost my self myself in pain" 21:00:46 "i lost myself in gravity, memory..." 21:00:52 'to leave, leave leave..." 21:02:08 never heard that error before. 21:02:12 is that in your error_log? 21:02:32 logster, where am I? 21:02:32 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-05#T21-02-32 21:04:32 fixed it 21:04:42 debian modxslt is different than normal modxslt 21:04:53 it wants the .xsl file to be named something else, so i had the names wrong 21:07:06 hm, i hate Eudora. 21:07:27 why? 21:08:27 I don't remember, I think it's because it sucked. 21:08:52 oh. ok. 21:09:42 man, yahoo has porn. 21:09:42 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/mt/us/dailynews/?u 21:09:51 fifth or sixth image on the left. 21:12:39 weird caption 21:15:34 AaronSw, have you heard anything new about p2pq? 21:15:39 nope 21:15:41 i'm thinking someone needs to take it over or start up a new one. 21:15:46 i think the idea is too sound to disappear 21:17:25 hey sony's admitting it: 21:17:26 "The CD will probably cause a system to crash, but it will not alter anything," the spokeswoman said. "And it won't eject properly, but that's just because the computer has crashed." 21:17:37 i didn't think it'd be that blatant 21:18:10 morbus, how do i set the index file for a directory in apache 21:18:30 DirectoryIndex 21:19:46 DirectoryIndex 21:19:58 in order of use, for faster serving 21:20:10 ok, thanks 21:20:24 i think i mentioned that in #3 or #4 ;) 21:21:00 hm, doesn't seem to work with mod_xslt 21:21:23 what do you mean? 21:21:32 i've not used mod_xslt 21:22:01 mod_xslt intercepts requests for *.html and creates them based on $1.xml 21:22:21 but when i visit /foo/ i just get the directory listing, not the generated index file 21:22:26 visiting /foo/index.html works, tho 21:22:46 sounds like a precedence issue. 21:22:57 you may be able to do a "Redirect / index.html" 21:23:21 you've got an index.xml file in there? and no matching index.html? 21:23:32 yep 21:23:44 becuase if apache doesnt' see an index.html file, it'll just display an index, regardless of what DirIndex is set for. 21:23:46 yeah, but I don't really want an actual redirect 21:23:48 apache has to see the file. 21:23:53 that's what i figured 21:23:57 maybe I can do a proxy thing 21:30:21 Hooray, Niles just proposed to Daphne! 21:30:32 you're a bit behind... 21:30:56 yep 21:34:24 oh, heh, it works if i create a dummy index.html 21:34:41 davb has quit () 21:35:26 oh, it does? i thought there actually had to be something in the file for the xslt to work. 21:35:35 shows how much i know about xslt ;) 21:35:43 no, the xslt runs entirely off of the index.xml file 21:35:53 so it just ignores index.html 21:36:03 but mod_directory sees it, and calls whatever procedure renders it 21:36:07 so it works out in the end... 21:36:19 bit hacky, tho 21:36:33 hey, it works :) 21:36:43 I'm not complaining ;) 21:36:55 i still haven't gotten my cdr workign under os x. 21:37:08 i tihink it's so insanely old that it diddn't support the standards later developed. 21:37:26 its an old scsi, and there was a bug in 10.1.2 and below about scsi cds. 21:37:33 which they supposedly fixed in .3 21:37:39 but to no availl can I get it running. 21:37:52 asprofiler doesn't show anything. 21:37:54 sigh. 21:37:59 i have to keep booting into classic to burn a cd. 21:38:15 and then 9 crashes on me, and then the mbr gets fucked up so it can't find an os. 21:38:36 so i have to boot off an os 9 cd to run disk first aid, and then reset to os x for the startup disk. 21:38:38 its such a hassle. 21:40:11 i got my scsi scanner workign with vuescan. 21:40:21 and that's even older than the cdr. 21:40:32 and my usb webcam still doesn't work under osx, but at least it does through classic. 21:47:14 * sbp watches a very interesting interview with President Bush 21:47:21 conducted by Trevor McDonald 21:47:43 McD: Do you think the war on terrorism has reached a stalemate? 21:47:47 Bush: Is that a joke? 21:48:06 who's TmcD? 21:51:16 ooh. 21:51:17 sbp: 21:51:19 http://diveintomark.org/ 21:51:22 search for "referers" 21:51:38 nevermind: 21:51:38 http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/04/05.html#new_form_of_inefficient_communication_discovered 21:51:45 stupid unhilighted, un visual link 21:54:43 redmonk has quit ("cya") 21:54:56 you some sort of visual person? 21:55:17 well, when the link is all black, no unerlines, and looks like an h3? and the rest of the site shows the normal blue? 21:55:20 yeah. i'd say that's an issue ;) 22:00:35 (freely paraphrasing) 22:00:48 Bush: My government's policy is that Saddam must go 22:00:55 TMcD: How you plan on achieving that? 22:01:05 Bush: Wait and see 22:01:26 Bush: I like bacon 22:01:27 there was also a tour around the White House... 22:01:40 * sbp wonders if there's a transcription anywhere 22:02:04 I missed most of that :-( 22:02:24 I like those televisual walks 22:02:31 they give a sense of location that the usual fixed shots don't 22:02:57 indeed 22:03:02 @ http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,678770,00.html 22:03:34 Bush seemed as humbled as McDonald to be standing in the Oval Office 22:03:36 C: http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,678770,00.html from sbp 22:03:45 C:|McDonald scoops Bush interview 22:04:01 titled item C 22:04:22 this is what you're watching? 22:04:26 if you find a transcript, lemme know. 22:04:48 it's finished now; I'm just hunting for a transcription 22:10:08 I don't think I'm going to find it, unfortunately 22:10:28 Bush said that he'll be talking with Blair a lot in the upcoming days, discussing all of the available options w.r.t. Iraq 22:11:02 i should auction off a bomb shelter on ebay 22:11:05 he also thinks that peace can be achieved in Isreal, and used the end of the cold war and his meeting with Putin as an analogy 22:12:13 His message to Americans (in response to the question as to what can they do to fight terror) was to "love someone [...] small acts are what builds the nation" (again, paraphrasing; sorry) 22:12:34 sbp, would you love me? i have no one left. 22:13:10 no neighbors? no collegues? 22:13:33 heh, heh. 22:13:34 no :) 22:20:14 holy crap. 22:20:18 i feel like i'm in teh fucking geek gap: http://m.doubleclick.net/viewad/684401/125-emergence.jpg 22:20:36 that guy needs a disfigurement or something 22:21:05 wtf 22:24:33 welcome to the wacky world of Morbus. Morbus' welcoming wacky world (WWW) 22:24:49 where'd that come from? 22:25:01 where'd what come from? 22:25:18 that sentence of yours just seemed to come out of further nowhere than usual. 22:25:37 green plastic cow spoiler heaps? 22:27:09 ETCON2002! 22:27:23 Is Rael Doenfest Jonathan Ive in disguise??? Find out 22:31:14 AaronSw, where's the online version of stallman's free as in? 22:31:30 the community site: faifzilla.org 22:31:37 thanks 22:32:02 the fancy oreilly site: http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ 22:36:21 * AaronSw goes driving 22:39:29 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 23:32:40 Gotta run 23:55:26 tomch (~lambda@modem-3833.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack