IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-25

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00:00:04 [syn|ack_]
syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-60-137.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack
00:00:13 [Zircon]
i wrote an alias for my irc client so I could have one, jillzilla
00:00:15 [jillzilla]
Hi, synack. love the nick.
00:00:16 [syn|ack_]
Hello
00:00:16 [Zircon]
try typing '/nick'
00:00:21 [Zircon]
i thought it would be appropriate
00:00:24 [syn|ack_]
jillzilla: thanks
00:00:29 [jillzilla]
Zircon: you crazy fool, you.
00:00:31 [Zircon]
the 'nick' in /nick stands for 'nickname'
00:00:37 [Zircon]
jillzilla: I'm going crazy with new ideas
00:01:01 [sbp]
[ foaf:name "Jill Lundqwhatsits"; foaf:nick "jillzilla" ] .
00:01:14 [sbp]
cf. http://xmlns.com/foaf/1.0/
00:01:26 [sbp]
s/1.0/0.1/
00:02:02 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla decides to change her surname to Lundqwhatsits.
00:03:03 [sbp]
:-)
00:03:26 [sbp]
swhack logs are legally binding for that sort of thing, BTW (AFAIK)
00:04:14 [sbp]
"Have I joined some sort of inner W3C cabal?" - Drew McDermott on www-archive discussions
00:04:43 [sbp]
gah, I suppose I have to get a fecking URI for that now
00:04:59 [sbp]
oh for a forum where I can quote with citelessness impunity!
00:05:18 [sbp]
http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/200204242347.g3ONl4409554@pantheon-po03.its.yale.edu
00:05:27 [sbp]
'though the mid: thing helps quite a bit
00:05:28 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla dares sbp to write a rhyming poem with the "citelessness impunity" line as its first line.
00:05:52 [danbri]
* danbri collecting photo URLs and irc nicks for his rdf database...
00:06:09 [danbri]
anybody got a public mugshot url to share?
00:06:25 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ waves good morning at danbri
00:06:29 [danbri]
aaron, sbp -- already got *plenty* of you folk
00:06:33 [danbri]
evening!
00:06:41 [danbri]
* danbri bit confused about the time
00:06:48 [syn|ack_]
:)
00:06:51 [danbri]
* danbri still fiddling with ruby soap server!
00:07:15 [sbp]
dear crap, I need to find a rhyming dicrionary, fast!
00:07:23 [syn|ack_]
danbri: not much headway? Perhaps Ian Macdonald he is using soap4r in the Google interface
00:07:42 [sbp]
* sbp speaks to his encyclopaedia, but it can't even manage a haiku
00:07:42 [syn|ack_]
perhaps <<ask>> Ian...
00:08:02 [danbri]
It mostly works. I have SOAP::Lite chatting away to it. I don't have the Java/Axis stuff working as a client yet, and was having trouble debugging.
00:08:46 [danbri]
I've now got a fake mini-server showing me the Axis msgs, so I can compare with what the other clients are sending. Can't get soap4r rich logging to work, but haven't rtfm'd proplery yet either
00:09:21 [syn|ack_]
it's hard sometimes unless you know japanesse.... :\
00:09:37 [syn|ack_]
ask on -talk, Nahi is quick to respond :)
00:09:41 [danbri]
makes a change
00:11:42 [danbri]
I mean having to read japanese makes a change, not Nahi's responce times
00:12:10 [sbp]
Sean craves a forum allowing citelessness impunity / an altogether simpler place and tightly knit community / to overcome this lack / he'll take his citations back / and end up with a citing craze immunity
00:12:18 [sbp]
whee!
00:12:23 [sbp]
and it nearly made sense, too
00:12:24 [syn|ack_]
danbri: heh
00:12:24 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla swoons.
00:13:36 [sbp]
heh, I made Jill swoon away in a surprise of joy
00:13:59 [Morbus]
Morbus (morbus@s119.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack
00:14:17 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla returns gasping to consciousness.
00:14:26 [sbp]
* sbp ^5's Antonella Gambotto
00:14:33 [sbp]
Morbus!
00:15:02 [sbp]
heh, hang on, reference problems
00:15:08 [Morbus]
sbp!
00:16:29 [sbp]
anyone beat the tally yet, Morb?
00:16:37 [Morbus]
nope. got a few more.
00:16:44 [Morbus]
but not the mighty 17
00:16:48 [sbp]
so 17's the figure to... right
00:17:13 [danbri]
tally?
00:17:34 [sbp]
yep, Morbus has this competition thing going on
00:17:46 [sbp]
he's embedded references to comics and cartoons in his latest article
00:18:22 [danbri]
uhuh
00:18:34 [sbp]
referencing publisher and not author should be an imprisonable offense!
00:18:40 [Morbus]
there's 20 of em, and so far, the highest count is 17 for "Which show did these characters come from?"
00:18:59 [sbp]
which Morbus was quite impressed at, I might add
00:19:07 [Morbus]
*insanely* impressed at.
00:19:15 [sbp]
actually, I've been meaning to take a shot at the quiz myself
00:19:39 [sbp]
although I'm going to mess it up on purpose. the prize scares me a little
00:19:42 [Morbus]
yeah? ooh.
00:19:44 [Morbus]
heheheh.
00:19:48 [Morbus]
yeah, there's a prize, danbri.
00:19:58 [danbri]
ooh. what's the prize?
00:19:59 [Morbus]
"something random" from me, in the snail mail.
00:20:02 [Morbus]
mu hah. mu hahahahah!
00:20:02 [danbri]
url?
00:20:06 [Morbus]
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/04/23/apache_six.html?page=3
00:20:17 [Morbus]
last para is the actual explanation.
00:20:21 [Morbus]
chop off the ? to get the full article
00:20:27 [danbri]
there's little chance of my winning, so should be safe!
00:20:36 [Morbus]
well, i take bribes ;)
00:20:42 [sbp]
* sbp re-^5's Steele
00:20:59 [sbp]
anyway...
00:21:27 [sbp]
how much is your bribe? ten, twenty? fifty comics?
00:21:43 [Morbus]
ama wishlist ;)
00:21:52 [sbp]
nooooo!
00:21:59 [sbp]
ooh, it's your birthday over here
00:22:02 [Morbus]
which i have to revise
00:22:07 [Morbus]
yeah?
00:22:08 [sbp]
.time
00:22:08 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:22:07.78801 Universal
00:22:14 [Morbus]
buy me a present today, and then i'll ask again tomorrow.
00:22:20 [Morbus]
when tomorrow is today.
00:22:21 [Morbus]
you know.
00:22:24 [sbp]
so a quasi-happy birthday to you :-)
00:22:31 [Morbus]
* Morbus grunts.
00:22:32 [Morbus]
bah!
00:22:33 [Morbus]
:)
00:22:34 [jillzilla]
isn't that a happy quasi-birthday?
00:22:41 [jillzilla]
How old, Morbus!
00:22:46 [Morbus]
uh. 19.
00:22:58 [jillzilla]
Oh, Morbus, did I tell you that my Chinese conversation partner and I found a Chinese name for you?
00:23:07 [Morbus]
oh yeah? what's thats?
00:23:09 [sbp]
everybody's 19 on this channel
00:23:16 [Morbus]
whoo hoo!
00:23:19 [Morbus]
* Morbus ^5's dbp
00:23:21 [Morbus]
pfff.
00:23:55 [sbp]
Translation of the Chinese name for Morbus: Big-Funny-Diseased-Moon-Child-Guy
00:24:07 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
00:24:23 [jillzilla]
It's something like Illness-Disease-Moredisease.
00:24:47 [Morbus]
whoo Hoo!
00:24:59 [Morbus]
did i ever tell you i used to be in a bbs ansi group called infectious?
00:25:09 [Morbus]
and that i ran a bbs called the darkened closet?
00:25:11 [jillzilla]
Unfortunately, I wrote it down on one of the pieces of paper in The Dread Pile.
00:27:17 [Morbus]
sbp, finally keeping dnnup to date.
00:27:43 [sbp]
excellent!
00:27:44 [Morbus]
faif was keeping me back ;)
00:28:28 [danbri]
* danbri fixes his soap problem, which is now reduced to an rdf query parsing problem, declares victory and heads off to zzz!
00:28:39 [danbri]
* danbri is 19 again next january, _sure_... :)
00:28:52 [syn|ack_]
danbri: weee!
00:28:55 [Morbus]
heh.
00:30:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
00:30:43 [AaronSw]
nite danbri
00:31:29 [syn|ack_]
AaronSw: do you have a movie online now?
00:31:45 [AaronSw]
Sorry, syn|ack -- I forgot to tape it! I feel really bad.
00:31:59 [AaronSw]
I'm going to write it up as an article, thought.
00:32:08 [syn|ack_]
:( oh well, these things happen
00:32:29 [Morbus]
syn|ack: i don't know you. i'm morbus. uh. who are you?
00:32:45 [jillzilla]
Morbus, meet syn|ack_.
00:32:53 [AaronSw]
Hm, my net connection still sucks. Time to move to Phase 2: unplug random things
00:32:54 [Morbus]
* Morbus toes the dirt.
00:32:56 [jillzilla]
syn|ack, meet Morbus.
00:32:56 [syn|ack_]
Morbus: i Morbus, I'm syn|ack - nice to meet you :)
00:33:02 [syn|ack_]
s/i/hi/
00:33:09 [jillzilla]
have fun, AaronSw.
00:33:10 [Morbus]
gasp! syn|ack?!? we're brothers! here, have some spaghetti.
00:33:12 [Morbus]
sit, sit, eat!
00:33:19 [Morbus]
you skinny boy, mamma will show you how, like this.
00:33:25 [Morbus]
* Morbus twists and rolls.
00:33:28 [danbri]
* danbri grins
00:33:33 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ points to the bottle of wine
00:33:34 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla gives syn|ack_ a big basket of rolls.
00:33:40 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
00:33:44 [syn|ack_]
:)
00:33:46 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla pours syn|ack_ a big glass of wine.
00:34:09 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla covers syn|ack_ in olive oil and proceeds to r--oops, wrong channel.
00:34:24 [Morbus]
whoo hoo!
00:34:27 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla mutters. It's the Morbus influence.
00:34:27 [Morbus]
* Morbus scoots closer.
00:34:28 [syn|ack_]
heh, good for the skin, ummm...so I'm told of course
00:34:37 [Morbus]
mMM. power of morbus, in new bath toy.
00:34:41 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla has given olive oil massages.
00:34:48 [Morbus]
oOOH.
00:35:06 [sbp]
uh oh
00:35:08 [sbp]
you
00:35:10 [sbp]
you've set him off
00:35:15 [jillzilla]
not for the first time.
00:35:19 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:35:21 [Morbus]
rawwwrrr.
00:35:21 [AaronSw]
heh: "I just heard about two IRC'ers resolving a spelling dispute through hit-counts on Google" -- i bet that was on swhack
00:35:29 [Morbus]
lol.
00:35:31 [sbp]
heh!
00:35:33 [Morbus]
yeaaaah.
00:35:34 [sbp]
source?
00:35:36 [jillzilla]
I think I was involved in that.
00:35:44 [sbp]
we do it all the time!
00:36:05 [AaronSw]
ooh, the internet must be back
00:36:06 [sbp]
thanks to u googlecount, we even automate it
00:36:12 [sbp]
Aaron: where's that from?
00:36:22 [jillzilla]
You don't just look for spelling corrections?
00:36:23 [Morbus]
my kitties sitting outside on the porch, all curled up in a chair.
00:36:25 [AaronSw]
Rael's weblog
00:36:31 [Morbus]
unfortuantey, being characteristically naked, i'm now cold.
00:36:36 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla coos at Morbus' kitty.
00:36:40 [Morbus]
but i can't close the porch, cos kiddie be all alone.
00:36:50 [Morbus]
i shall do the next best thing!\
00:36:53 [Morbus]
* Morbus rubs his nipples.
00:36:58 [AaronSw]
Hm, unpluggng the modem did not seem to help
00:37:01 [Morbus]
ahhh. this is how *I* spell relief.
00:38:32 [Morbus]
heh.
00:38:43 [AaronSw]
this is really annoying. i'm tempted to get out the 56k modem
00:38:43 [Morbus]
nipple rubbing: stopping chats cold.
00:39:10 [Morbus]
mmmm. 56k modem.
00:39:16 [Morbus]
then i can listen to you bitch and moan.
00:39:30 [AaronSw]
heh, you already are
00:39:37 [Morbus]
true.
00:40:29 [Morbus]
* Morbus drinks some echinacea tea.
00:40:37 [Morbus]
really? last I knew it was like 100k.
00:41:11 [Morbus]
my pension plan, i mean.
00:41:29 [Morbus]
* Morbus begins work on Apache #7.
00:41:41 [jillzilla]
There's MORE?
00:41:46 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
00:41:52 [jillzilla]
Don't your readers know everythint about Apache yet? As well as cartoons?
00:42:09 [Morbus]
that will be maintained as time goes n.
00:43:07 [Morbus]
jillzilla's getting sick of my writing. i knew it.
00:43:18 [Morbus]
but hey, derrick thought my decepticon piece was a hoot.
00:43:24 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla beams.
00:43:41 [Morbus]
* Morbus bolts
00:45:19 [AaronSw]
.dns nytimes.com
00:45:20 [xena]
nytimes.com - 64.15.247.200
00:45:53 [AaronSw]
Hm, maybe it's just my DNS that's being slow.
00:46:09 [Morbus]
heh.
00:46:13 [Morbus]
[[[
00:46:14 [Morbus]
<em>Editor's Note: He won't stop. We tell him to stop, but he points to the rabid amount of reader fan mail, commenting, and linkage, and says he can't - that he's inexplicably drawn into his favored text editor to pen "another missive to the frothing masses." We feel compelled to publish him, fearing what an unstroked ego could do to him. Thus, here is part 7. Enjoy!</em>
00:46:14 [Morbus]
]]]
00:46:19 [Morbus]
i love my intros/conclusions.
00:47:18 [jillzilla]
Oh, Morbus, if I had any respect for you, that would double it!
00:47:25 [Morbus]
bwahahaah.
00:47:30 [Morbus]
yeah, you sure?
00:47:47 [AaronSw]
Well, it would still double it, since 2*0 = 0
00:47:55 [AaronSw]
We were talking about this at dinner.
00:47:59 [AaronSw]
It's like that old Muppets Show
00:48:10 [Morbus]
go on.
00:48:36 [AaronSw]
kermit and one of the characters are arguing over pay. "I want my salary tripled!" "No, I'm not going any farther than doubling it." "No, tripled!"
00:48:46 [Morbus]
ah yes.
00:48:48 [Morbus]
that was redone in the m&m commercials too
00:48:50 [AaronSw]
Then someone asks him "What is your salary now?" "Um, zero."
00:49:03 [jillzilla]
That sounds like Scooter.
00:49:06 [jillzilla]
Or Gonzo.
00:49:09 [Morbus]
beaker!
00:49:16 [Morbus]
i loved beaker.
00:49:24 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla makes beaker sounds.
00:49:27 [syn|ack_]
beaker was great!
00:49:29 [Morbus]
ooOH!
00:49:32 [syn|ack_]
and that cheif
00:49:38 [jillzilla]
The Swedish Chef!
00:49:42 [jillzilla]
BORK BORK BORK!
00:49:42 [Morbus]
heh heh!
00:49:55 [Morbus]
lick quid!
00:49:57 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla highly recommends google with the language set to bork bork.
00:49:58 [syn|ack_]
i have a cheesey muppet ring on my mobile phone ;)
00:49:59 [Morbus]
lick quid!
00:50:02 [Morbus]
lick quid!
00:50:05 [Morbus]
lickquid?
00:50:08 [Morbus]
liquid!
00:50:13 [Morbus]
liquid! liquid! liquid!
00:50:25 [jillzilla]
Morbus: That was on the Electric Company.
00:50:30 [Morbus]
nuh uh!
00:50:37 [Morbus]
it was that two headed alien!
00:50:42 [jillzilla]
No way!
00:50:49 [syn|ack_]
and those 2 old guys - they where very funny :)
00:50:51 [Morbus]
one with horns who looked mean, and the other guy who looked kinda sleepy.
00:50:56 [Morbus]
yes way!
00:51:16 [jillzilla]
On TEC, it was done with two silhouettes of lips on the left and right of the screen.
00:52:21 [AaronSw]
.time
00:52:22 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:21.1703 Universal
00:52:31 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:31 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:30.5161 Universal
00:52:31 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:31 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:31 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:31 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:31.0773 Universal
00:52:32 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:32 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:30.7318 Universal
00:52:33 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:31.2405 Universal
00:52:33 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:31.4996 Universal
00:52:33 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:34 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:33.1714 Universal
00:52:35 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:36 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:35.2723 Universal
00:52:37 [Morbus]
flooood!
00:52:37 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:38 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:37.2697 Universal
00:52:39 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:40 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:39.1606 Universal
00:52:41 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:41 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:41.1382 Universal
00:52:43 [Zircon]
.time
00:52:44 [xena]
2002/04/25 00:52:43.2504 Universal
00:52:46 [Zircon]
oh good, time is increasing
00:52:47 [Zircon]
I'm not stuck
00:52:52 [Zircon]
* Zircon whew
00:52:54 [Zircon]
I was worried
00:52:56 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla hits Zircon.
00:52:58 [Morbus]
improper use of /me!
00:53:00 [jillzilla]
quit it.
00:53:31 [Morbus]
we have syn|tax in swhack!
00:53:35 [Morbus]
proper usage instructions!
00:53:40 [Morbus]
keep away from children!
00:53:44 [Morbus]
do not drink while standing up!
00:53:51 [Morbus]
jumping up and down will NOT stop a pregnancy.
00:53:58 [Morbus]
improper use of /me is frowned upon!
00:54:15 [Morbus]
and finally, repetitive bot abusage is grounds for dismissal!
00:54:19 [Morbus]
and not just coffee grounds.
00:54:31 [Morbus]
we're talking about "bottom of a seven year old charcoal grill" grounds.
00:54:53 [jillzilla]
ewww.
00:54:58 [Morbus]
morbus hath spoken!
00:55:05 [Morbus]
* Morbus hears cymbal crashes.
00:56:04 [Morbus]
heh.
00:56:14 [Morbus]
i dont think "Enjoy and appease the beast!" will make it past the first ORA revision.
01:01:46 [AaronSw]
looks like the problem was with my base station or something. i switched to wired ether net and everything zooming now
01:01:58 [Morbus]
good.
01:02:04 [Morbus]
if you want, you can try dling some moby tracks.
01:02:21 [AaronSw]
ooh, ooh
01:02:44 [Morbus]
lemme set it up
01:03:47 [AaronSw]
I notice that the Times takes a very balanced approach to Co$ in http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/22/technology/ebusiness/22NECO.html
01:04:20 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Clambake is #2 hit for "scientology"
01:09:18 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ is curiouse
01:09:23 [syn|ack_]
what does the # denote?
01:09:28 [jillzilla]
unlogged content.
01:09:35 [syn|ack_]
ahh
01:09:44 [syn|ack_]
i should prefix all my text with that then :)
01:10:42 [AaronSw]
More verisign spam: "Now get the most important ** E-BUILDING BLOCKS ** for profitable e-Commerce. ** FASTER. EASIER. BETTER. **"
01:10:58 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla gets a code review back. Cool.
01:11:58 [AaronSw]
Nice. Google into XP?
01:12:14 [jillzilla]
Not explicitly. But every change is reviewed.
01:12:30 [jillzilla]
We pair program for some stuff.
01:12:57 [jillzilla]
We could stand to automate testing more.
01:13:06 [Morbus]
anyone leeching from me?
01:13:16 [sbp]
O.K., Morbus!
01:13:19 [sbp]
I've got 20 answers
01:13:25 [sbp]
I'm going to send them to you now...
01:13:37 [AaronSw]
answers?
01:13:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes thru the 147 emails he's received...
01:13:51 [Morbus]
mmkay :)
01:14:00 [Morbus]
is that what you've been doing?
01:14:30 [sbp]
yep
01:14:33 [sbp]
sent
01:14:48 [AaronSw]
I thought Chicago was a boring city, but now I must reconsider since it's home to "AlCon, a convention for fans of Weird Al Yankovic"
01:14:49 [sbp]
I'll bet I got like 5 or something
01:14:49 [Morbus]
how do pigs eat food?
01:14:58 [Morbus]
i need a piglike verb
01:15:07 [sbp]
they snuzzle it
01:15:10 [jillzilla]
porcine.
01:15:17 [syn|ack_]
snuzzle, nice word :)
01:15:24 [sbp]
they pig it down. pig is a verb!
01:15:24 [Morbus]
i'll let you know cos I like you
01:15:24 [Morbus]
but no one else! <G>
01:15:38 [AaronSw]
you mean you don't like me?
01:15:49 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:15:56 [jillzilla]
I usually hear people indirectly say that someone is eating like a pig, not with the verb, but by making reference to the trough.
01:16:01 [syn|ack_]
they 'pig out'
01:16:16 [AaronSw]
Whoa, Al is coming to AlCon!
01:16:27 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you won't even play my games./
01:16:28 [jillzilla]
Nah, pig out, at least here, means to eat a lot of food, not to eat it in a swinish manner.
01:16:35 [Morbus]
i'm already using trough! <G>
01:16:35 [Morbus]
i need something else ;)
01:16:37 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ thinks
01:16:46 [Morbus]
ooh. swinish!
01:16:46 [Morbus]
thank you!
01:16:53 [jillzilla]
yaaaaay!
01:17:59 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla quietly salutes the anglo-saxons for the word "swine".
01:18:17 [Morbus]
oOoh.
01:20:36 [jillzilla]
Oh my god! My coworker just gave me a new bash idiom! YES!
01:20:44 [AaronSw]
Ooh, what? what?
01:20:46 [jillzilla]
I haven't had a new bash idiom in a hundred years!
01:20:51 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla does the new idiom dance.
01:20:55 [jillzilla]
WOO!
01:21:03 [AaronSw]
Is this Ian?
01:21:08 [AaronSw]
Tell us! Tell us!
01:21:35 [jillzilla]
Oh, it's actually a /bin/test idiom.
01:21:39 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ wishes his company did code reviews
01:22:19 [jillzilla]
I didn't know you could use -eq to find out if a variable is numeric, e.g.:
01:22:44 [jillzilla]
[ "$pgid" -eq "$pgid" ] > /dev/null 2>&1
01:22:44 [jillzilla]
if [ $? ]; then echo "found noninteger pgid $pgid" 1>&2 ; fi
01:22:56 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla looks for a way to replace the $? with a || .
01:23:07 [jillzilla]
Oh, duh.
01:23:33 [jillzilla]
[ "$pgid" -eq "$pgid" ] > /dev/null 2>&1 || echo "found noninteger pgid $pgid" 1>&2
01:24:31 [deltab]
why would it not be?
01:24:32 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla notes that AaronSw seems unimpressed. :-)
01:24:43 [sbp]
EncyclopaediaGalactica['new idiom dance'] = "Dance performed by certain female Earthlings upon learning a new bash idiom"
01:24:44 [AaronSw]
Heh. I'm still trying to figure this out
01:24:45 [deltab]
btw, &>/dev/null
01:24:45 [jillzilla]
deltab: because I'm reading it from a file that may have been corrupted.
01:25:20 [jillzilla]
deltab: for both stdout and stderr?
01:25:24 [jillzilla]
How csh-like.
01:25:29 [jillzilla]
This must be a bashism.
01:25:29 [Morbus]
heh.
01:25:29 [Morbus]
can i run this intro through you?
01:25:30 [deltab]
yup
01:25:51 [sbp]
is this going to be about pigs?
01:26:14 [Morbus]
uh. kinda, yeah.
01:26:14 [Morbus]
why? <g>
01:26:20 [syn|ack_]
lol
01:26:23 [deltab]
Morbus: I hope it's not like having a sword run through me
01:26:35 [deltab]
because I wouldn't enjoy that at all
01:26:36 [syn|ack_]
enough laughter for the morning
01:26:40 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ is away doing yard work
01:26:42 [sbp]
or Technicium-99
01:26:50 [jillzilla]
have fun, syn.ack..
01:26:54 [sbp]
anyway, pray continue, dear sir!
01:26:57 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
01:26:57 [AaronSw]
You can run Technicium thru people?
01:27:06 [Morbus]
well, it is a first draft. so it could ;)
01:27:15 [Morbus]
mmkay.
01:27:15 [Morbus]
[[[
01:27:24 [Morbus]
<p>Everyone at GatesMcFarlaneCo is at lunch, chomping away at greasy burgers, lawyering over spilt milk, or maneuvering for a date with the newest intern. You can hear them swining away in the trough the Employee Handboy calls the "Eatery". An eatery? Pff! It's a cafeteria of the clearest High School distinction, filled with cliques, poseurs and posturers, and infantile humor.</p>
01:27:24 [Morbus]
<p>And you? Where do you eat? You don't "eat" - you "snack", for you have learning to do. Learning that must not be interrupted by a thoughtless task of food digestion. Oh yes. Your computer, your beloved Apache. She beckons. You answer the call.</p>
01:27:25 [Morbus]
]]]
01:27:48 [Morbus]
... begin article ...
01:27:48 [sbp]
Handboy?
01:27:57 [Morbus]
the second para isn't strong enough.
01:28:11 [jillzilla]
Are you personifying the computer as "she" all along? If not, that sounds a bit out of place.
01:28:15 [Morbus]
er/
01:28:15 [Morbus]
handbook
01:28:19 [deltab]
yeah, remove the reference to apache
01:28:33 [jillzilla]
yeah.
01:28:35 [deltab]
it's hardly relevant, is it?
01:28:58 [sbp]
um. it's like an Apache article, isn't it?
01:28:58 [jillzilla]
Well, it's relevant, since the article is about apache. but it's redundant, for the same reason.
01:29:11 [sbp]
what Jill said
01:29:19 [Morbus]
Your computer, with her lampish neck and Pixar sleekness. She beckons. You answer the call.
01:29:26 [sbp]
heh!
01:29:29 [jillzilla]
Ohhhh, much nicer.
01:29:41 [sbp]
answer *her* call
01:29:44 [jillzilla]
yes.
01:29:52 [deltab]
i wouldn't say it's *about* apache - it only mentions it once
01:29:54 [jillzilla]
Or her siren call.
01:30:06 [jillzilla]
deltab: it's part of a series of articles. this is the intro to #7.
01:30:18 [Morbus]
this fits perfectly, because back in 3 i think, i make mention thatyou got the latest macworld mystery on a purchase order.
01:30:18 [Morbus]
and at the time, that was the iLamp. so...
01:30:31 [sbp]
oh, man
01:30:41 [sbp]
Morbus, you rock in a shotglass sometimes
01:30:49 [jillzilla]
Awesomely.
01:30:52 [deltab]
jillzilla: um, I know that
01:30:58 [deltab]
never mind
01:31:08 [jillzilla]
deltab: clearly we're each missing something. :-)
01:33:03 [sbp]
gah, he only just finished #6, and already he's working on #7
01:36:23 [sbp]
jill: yes! you *awesomely* rock! a split infinitive, and an abnormal adverb!
01:36:29 [AaronSw]
I remember when Morbus was just a little man on an IRC channel, before his international Apache fame.
01:36:58 [sbp]
* sbp remembers how that fame came about
01:37:08 [MorbusIff]
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01:37:14 [AaronSw]
Hm, I forgot that bit. How did it come abou?
01:37:42 [sbp]
*you* of all people should know
01:37:55 [MorbusIff]
welp, that didn't last long.
01:38:04 [AaronSw]
I forgot...
01:38:04 [MorbusIff]
my ppp bugs remain.
01:38:04 [sbp]
for you, Master Swartz, played a superior part in arranging that particular syzygy
01:38:16 [AaronSw]
Hm, syzygy seems familiar...
01:38:17 [AaronSw]
.wn syzygy
01:38:17 [sbp]
Morbus: heh, heh
01:38:18 [xena]
syzygy defined as:
01:38:19 [xena]
- n : the straight line configuration of 3 celestial bodies (as the sun and earth and moon) in a gravitational system
01:38:31 [AaronSw]
Oh, that's happening soon. Well, it's a triangle not a straight line.
01:38:46 [sbp]
right. so it's not a syzygy at all, then
01:38:59 [AaronSw]
Oh, no they're lining up too, I think. Well getting very close.
01:39:05 [sbp]
yep
01:39:18 [sbp]
* sbp has been watching them
01:39:26 [MorbusIff]
no more leechy leech, i got work to do.;
01:39:43 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks innocent
01:39:53 [MorbusIff]
don't need my computer crashing on me anymore
01:39:55 [deltab]
they were lined up afew days ago, I think
01:40:02 [MorbusIff]
uh huh.
01:40:48 [AaronSw]
Why does GML = Greenwich Mean Time?
01:40:59 [AaronSw]
In Amsterdam, at least.
01:41:48 [deltab]
planets: http://www.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1908000/1908855.stm
01:43:02 [sbp]
deltab: try again
01:43:34 [AaronSw]
weird, that BBC URL redirects to the fromt page
01:43:34 [deltab]
planets: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1908000/1908855.stm
01:43:37 [sbp]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1946000/1946604.stm
01:43:42 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:43:44 [MorbusIff]
no leechy leech I said <G>
01:43:47 [AaronSw]
hey!
01:43:59 [MorbusIff]
heh, heh
01:44:30 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla returns.
01:44:30 [MorbusIff]
maybe later, when i'm not doign any work.
01:44:37 [AaronSw]
Hm, now that the planets are in alignment, does this mean that danbri will throw a tantrum? Quick, get the camera~
01:44:49 [MorbusIff]
but everytime the upload freeze happens, i get a kernel anic
01:44:52 [jillzilla]
sbp: The prohibition of split infinitives in English is nonsense. It's based on Latin grammar.
01:45:12 [sbp]
jill: I know
01:45:23 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is now officially confused.
01:45:28 [sbp]
since Latin merges the infinitive form into one word
01:45:29 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla gazes befuddled at sbp.
01:45:48 [sbp]
defuddle yourself right now!
01:45:57 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla enters the Defuddler.
01:46:05 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla emerges calm and confident.
01:46:41 [sbp]
and where, pray, may one obtain such a device as this Acme Defuddler to which you refer?
01:46:53 [jillzilla]
I dunno. It was just here.
01:47:09 [sbp]
lucky you
01:47:40 [jillzilla]
I used to have a portable, hand-held defuddler, but it didn't work very well. And besides, I lost it.
01:47:54 [sbp]
shhhhh! you'll start Morbus off again
01:48:04 [jillzilla]
oops!
01:48:12 [MorbusIff]
* MorbusIff grins lecherously.
01:48:13 [jillzilla]
note to self: don't mention hand-held devices.
01:48:39 [MorbusIff]
no worries there, jill. i'm not a mere one-hander.
01:48:56 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is somehow still worried.
01:49:55 [sbp]
* sbp hopes for some odd distracting event
01:49:59 [bwurgele]
bwurgele (sbp@m620-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
01:50:07 [bwurgele]
bwaarghargaRGARGHARGHJARGHO[SROIGJASRGarhgarhgharghagh!
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01:50:14 [sbp]
that'll do nicely
01:51:02 [MorbusIff]
man.
01:51:02 [MorbusIff]
this paragraph needs to be read aloud by me in a huskish voice.
01:51:06 [MorbusIff]
maybe i'll do that for this article and include an mp3 link.
01:51:09 [sbp]
ooh!
01:51:11 [MorbusIff]
<p>And you? Where do you eat? You don't "eat", you "snack". Many things cross your idea palette, things that simply must not be interrupted by a thoughtless task of food digestion. Oh yes. Your computer, with her lampish neck, Pixar sleekness, and siren-like beauty, beckons. You answer her call.</p>
01:51:48 [sbp]
Hmm...
01:51:51 [MorbusIff]
oh man, i just read it aloud.
01:51:53 [jillzilla]
"palette" is a bit out of place.
01:51:54 [MorbusIff]
i'm a sexy bitch.
01:51:56 [sbp]
I can't pick up the rhythm on that
01:52:02 [MorbusIff]
yeah, i was using it in regards to food palette.,
01:52:07 [MorbusIff]
like your dietary palette. you know.
01:52:08 [jillzilla]
food palette?
01:52:15 [sbp]
"idea palette" is the best bit!
01:52:18 [MorbusIff]
you've never heard that phrase?
01:52:21 [MorbusIff]
i think its palate, or something.
01:52:23 [jillzilla]
It jolts me into visual arts imagery. No, I haven't.
01:52:24 [MorbusIff]
.wn palate
01:52:25 [xena]
palate defined as:
01:52:26 [xena]
- n : the upper surface of the mouth that separates the oral and nasal cavities [syn: {roof of the mouth}]
01:52:28 [jillzilla]
Ohhh, palate!
01:52:31 [jillzilla]
Yes, that would do!
01:52:43 [MorbusIff]
so palate is the right spelling for what I mean?
01:52:51 [deltab]
depends what you mean
01:52:52 [jillzilla]
Dunno, let's see it again with "palate".
01:53:07 [MorbusIff]
... Many things cross your idea palate, things that simply must not be interrupted ...
01:53:27 [MorbusIff]
deltab: think painters palate thingy. where all the little circles of paint on it, and the finger hole.
01:53:30 [jillzilla]
hmmm...it's not an image.
01:53:42 [jillzilla]
Oh, that is palette.
01:53:55 [jillzilla]
And it's what was jolting me into a visual arts metaphor from a food metaphor.
01:54:00 [jillzilla]
But you meant palette.
01:54:05 [deltab]
that's palette
01:54:07 [MorbusIff]
right, right, thats where i'm going with the idea palette thing, but its a play on words with dietary palate (or whateveR), which i know exists.
01:54:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uploads photos
01:54:17 [MorbusIff]
.google dietary palette
01:54:18 [xena]
dietary palette: http://www.cancerproject.org/comms/comm01.html
01:54:19 [jillzilla]
MorbusIff: it's not working for me.
01:54:19 [sbp]
ah, but one can say "my palate has grown more sophisticated"
01:54:31 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla perks up at sbp's comment.
01:54:50 [AaronSw]
my palate has grown less sophisticated
01:55:52 [MorbusIff]
heh: "Many ideas etch a sketch, things that simply must not be interrupted by the thoughtless task of food digestion."
01:56:15 [sbp]
s/simply//
01:56:46 [MorbusIff]
Pixar curves? better than sleekness?
01:56:48 [AaronSw]
going for the James Joyce style there, Morbus?
01:56:49 [sbp]
actually, that strains the comma (doesn't it just)?
01:56:57 [MorbusIff]
i've got too many ishes. (ness, ish, -like)
01:57:22 [MorbusIff]
i don't like etch a sketch. bah.
01:57:51 [Morbus]
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01:57:57 [MorbusIff]
MorbusIff is now known as Morbus
01:58:04 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla goes to dinner.
01:58:10 [sbp]
noooooo!
01:58:12 [sbp]
oh, alright
01:58:20 [Morbus]
many ideas garnish your plate?
01:58:32 [jillzilla]
I'll be back.
01:58:39 [sbp]
s/plate/palette/
01:58:43 [sbp]
:-)
01:58:51 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
01:59:14 [Morbus]
yeah, but then garnish doesn't amke sense.
01:59:47 [Morbus]
i think i'm gonna go record this <G>
01:59:58 [sbp]
palette is a great word... retroactive, moody, perky, frivolous, tasty, and a little bit risky. delectable
02:00:11 [jillzilla]
risky or risque?
02:00:18 [sbp]
risqué!
02:00:27 [Morbus]
ooh, delectable beauty is even better.
02:00:38 [sbp]
Jill: yeah, that fits in better with Morbus's style of communication
02:00:45 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla has to agree.
02:00:54 [Morbus]
with her "long thin neck" sounds better.
02:00:58 [Morbus]
more romantic.
02:01:01 [sbp]
swanlike neck
02:01:04 [Morbus]
oOh.
02:01:06 [Morbus]
yeah, that works.
02:01:09 [jillzilla]
If you want romanti...heh, what sbp said.
02:01:12 [sbp]
:-)
02:01:20 [jillzilla]
It worries me that I was about to say the same thing.
02:01:36 [jillzilla]
Because we are probably treading on the tarpit of cliches.
02:01:41 [sbp]
great minds think alike
02:01:51 [jillzilla]
so do cliched minds.
02:02:03 [sbp]
heh! oh man... Homerism coming up
02:02:44 [sbp]
Homer: First I'll just reach in and pull my legs out. Now I'll pull my arms out with my face.
02:03:23 [Morbus]
ok. i'm gonna go record this para:
02:03:26 [Morbus]
<p>And you? Where do you eat? You don't "eat", you "snack". Many ideas garnish your plate, things that must not be interrupted by the thoughtless task of food digestion. Oh yes... your beloved computer, she with her swanlike neck, Pixar sleekness, and delectable beauty. She beckons. She beckons undeniably. You answer her call.</p>
02:03:31 [Morbus]
i'll wav it for ya <G>
02:03:52 [jillzilla]
snack...maybe you graze.
02:04:10 [sbp]
heh, I've been constantly singing "Natural Woman" by Carole King all night. I was just about to write "Jill, you make me fell like... hang on"
02:04:13 [jillzilla]
Oh, I love the "garnish your plate".
02:04:22 [jillzilla]
sbp: rowr.
02:04:26 [jillzilla]
I used to sing that song to my skis.
02:04:35 [sbp]
heh! oh man
02:04:46 [sbp]
how I chortle
02:04:56 [sbp]
Morbus: I likes that, I does
02:05:08 [Morbus]
is the last sentence too short?
02:05:12 [sbp]
no
02:05:28 [jillzilla]
No, it's perfect after the long sentences that precede it.
02:05:38 [Morbus]
* Morbus goes to record.
02:05:49 [sbp]
I can just imagine you saying "You *anser* her call.... rawrw!"
02:05:55 [Morbus]
lol.
02:06:04 [Morbus]
oOoh, i'll do an alternate version of me rawring.
02:06:06 [Morbus]
<G>
02:06:08 [sbp]
we must teleconference one day
02:06:20 [jillzilla]
My heart is going thubba thubba.
02:06:26 [Morbus]
the suck ass thing is, i gotta go to the win machine, record it, disconnect, send it via email to my mac, and then compress down to something usable for eeryone.
02:06:27 [Morbus]
pain in the ass.
02:06:43 [sbp]
heh, I have to do similarly weird acts to record
02:07:23 [sbp]
this is going to be so freakola
02:07:41 [sbp]
(imagine a period after every word. Full stop!)
02:07:52 [Morbus]
oh man, thast came out good!
02:07:55 [Morbus]
480k wav file.
02:07:58 [Morbus]
now for the rawring one.
02:08:04 [sbp]
too big!
02:08:39 [sbp]
"Hello. This is Morbus Iff. I'd just like to read you something that I read on the men's room wall"
02:08:49 [sbp]
(in a freaky British accent)
02:09:01 [Morbus]
hehehe
02:09:06 [Morbus]
ew, the rawr came out bad.
02:09:17 [Morbus]
man, ths is gonna be the hilight of my night.
02:09:47 [sbp]
the first time I've heard the Morbster speak, IIRC
02:10:11 [jillzilla]
I've never heard any of you speak.
02:10:21 [sbp]
who *are* you, anyway? :-)
02:10:27 [Morbus]
sbo, you're gonna love it ;)
02:10:34 [jillzilla]
I was thinking more: what *are* you?
02:11:00 [AaronSw]
Morbus wav? where?
02:11:24 [sbp]
nowhere yet
02:11:27 [Morbus]
dammit.
02:11:32 [jillzilla]
Oh, no. How does one listen to a .wav in Linux?
02:11:35 [Morbus]
i keep getting too close to the mic on my rarw.
02:11:41 [Morbus]
jillzilla: i'll send it in mp3.
02:11:43 [deltab]
jillzilla: play
02:11:45 [Morbus]
i think i have a converter around here.
02:11:48 [jillzilla]
cool.
02:11:56 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla imagines the mike melting down on the rawr.
02:12:10 [deltab]
jillzilla: and rec to record
02:12:13 [Morbus]
does itunes convert?
02:12:18 [jillzilla]
rec?
02:12:21 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla runs man.
02:12:38 [deltab]
jillzilla: those are provided with the sox package
02:12:45 [jillzilla]
Sorry, redhat.
02:13:17 [AaronSw]
this applescripting is really frustrating
02:13:19 [jillzilla]
Oh, excellent! I've been looking for this!
02:13:40 [deltab]
jillzilla: chances are it's already installed
02:13:46 [jillzilla]
Oh, it is.
02:13:59 [Morbus]
pl/
02:14:02 [Morbus]
ok.
02:14:03 [Morbus]
got them done.
02:14:07 [Morbus]
disconnecting to email them to myslf.
02:14:08 [Morbus]
brb
02:14:08 [Morbus]
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02:14:09 [jillzilla]
Is sox a linuxism, or does it exist under bsd?
02:14:40 [jillzilla]
Argh, gotta get dinner. brb.
02:14:57 [sbp]
you'll miss the world premiere of Morbus Iff Presents!
02:16:08 [deltab]
sox itself should run on any unix-like system, but playback and recording is limited to some
02:16:14 [deltab]
see http://home.sprynet.com/~cbagwell/sox.html
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02:20:04 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla returns.
02:20:13 [sbp]
just in time, too, O Jill
02:20:36 [jillzilla]
Perfect.
02:20:49 [sbp]
Miffington: how goes it?
02:20:49 [Morbus]
* Morbus checks his email.
02:21:07 [Morbus]
jillzilla: do you need them in mp3?
02:21:09 [Morbus]
they're only 400k. i can compress them into wav later.
02:21:19 [Morbus]
er, mp3 later.
02:21:23 [jillzilla]
I'll try tehm in wav.
02:21:43 [Morbus]
k
02:23:34 [Morbus]
ok.
02:23:39 [Morbus]
they're at http://127.0.0.1/~morbus/
02:23:39 [sbp]
O.K.
02:23:45 [Morbus]
called "qq" and "qq2"
02:23:48 [Morbus]
2 is with the rowr
02:23:54 [Morbus]
turn your volume up ;)
02:24:14 [Morbus]
sbp, what's my ip?
02:25:01 [Morbus]
i need to do 'em better if I do use them in the article.
02:25:05 [Morbus]
they're kinda low qual right now.
02:25:16 [Morbus]
of course, i only have a low qual mic
02:26:30 [sbp]
your connection seems to be borking out
02:26:51 [deltab]
note his address has changed
02:26:51 [sbp]
or has borked out entirely
02:27:01 [sbp]
er... huh?
02:27:36 [deltab]
was s119, now s116
02:27:37 [sbp]
no, there's just no reply
02:27:49 [deltab]
hmm, that too
02:28:08 [sbp]
perhaps it's the PPP problem
02:28:41 [jillzilla]
addr?
02:28:54 [deltab]
IP address
02:29:14 [sbp]
so close...
02:29:33 [sbp]
xena agrees: <xena> error: [Errno socket error] (113, 'No route to host')
02:29:48 [jillzilla]
I got "no route to host" as well.
02:30:03 [sbp]
what a tease
02:31:30 [sbp]
ooh! I have 0.9 seconds of qq2
02:31:55 [sbp]
wow... that is so. Er... well. I'd say scary, but that's too vague
02:31:58 [walloper]
<MysticOne> Hello, everyone. The hubbing issues we suffered earlier have left our routing a little wonky. Since most of Europe is sleeping or just starting their days, we're going to move a few things around to get back to our usual setup. So, you may see some splits in the next few minutes, they are intentional, and should only last momentarily. Thank you!
02:32:11 [sbp]
I've got "and yo..."
02:32:25 [jillzilla]
sbp: "most of Europe is sleeping"
02:32:32 [sbp]
yeah, deltab. go to bed
02:32:36 [sbp]
:-)
02:32:42 [jillzilla]
hee
02:33:34 [MorbusIff]
MorbusIff (morbus@s107.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack
02:34:41 [MorbusIff]
here you go: http://www.disobey.com/detergent/sounds/
02:34:42 [sbp]
Morbus, any news on the qs?
02:35:08 [sbp]
I heard 0.9 seconds of the second!
02:35:18 [sbp]
and it scared the crap out of me :-)
02:35:19 [MorbusIff]
sbp: http://www.disobey.com/detergent/sounds/
02:35:23 [AaronSw]
Yikes!
02:35:27 [MorbusIff]
they're both there./
02:35:29 [MorbusIff]
bwahahah
02:35:31 [MorbusIff]
what?
02:35:31 [sbp]
yeah, yeah, I'm getting it
02:35:33 [AaronSw]
Morbus sounds so young and tame. Like a children's storybook reader
02:35:45 [AaronSw]
... wearing a suit
02:35:47 [MorbusIff]
oh yes. send your children to morbus :)
02:36:02 [sbp]
get them to play with him in the bath!
02:36:04 [sbp]
his toy, that is
02:36:12 [AaronSw]
rawr!
02:36:21 [sbp]
the Morbus action figurine
02:36:24 [MorbusIff]
rawr! <G>
02:36:25 [sbp]
oh for a faster connection
02:36:29 [jillzilla]
Morbus sounds *exactly* like I imagined him!
02:36:35 [MorbusIff]
bwahahaha. really? kickass.
02:36:42 [MorbusIff]
and describe that sound to me ;)
02:36:43 [AaronSw]
i always imagined Morbus to sound deeper and throatier
02:36:58 [MorbusIff]
well, i cna, but i'm practically whispering here.
02:37:01 [AaronSw]
older, grungier
02:37:06 [MorbusIff]
grungier.
02:37:07 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla quivers at the "rawr".
02:37:09 [MorbusIff]
thanks bitch.
02:37:14 [MorbusIff]
:)
02:37:24 [AaronSw]
you sound like some suited intern
02:37:25 [jillzilla]
MorbusIff: take me now.
02:37:26 [MorbusIff]
quivers? hehehe
02:37:33 [MorbusIff]
whoo HOo... <G>
02:37:37 [MorbusIff]
women fawn for my voice!
02:37:38 [MorbusIff]
;)
02:37:55 [jillzilla]
:)
02:37:58 [sbp]
"Must not be interrupted". Hi. I'm not all porsh
02:38:13 [AaronSw]
You just sound so... friendly.
02:38:20 [MorbusIff]
hehehe, yeah?
02:38:28 [jillzilla]
friendly...hmmm...
02:38:43 [sbp]
heh, I'm going to set the "rawwwrw" as my computer intro
02:38:48 [MorbusIff]
lol.
02:38:49 [MorbusIff]
whoo./
02:38:51 [jillzilla]
Next to Morbus I sound like one of the Teletubbies.
02:38:57 [MorbusIff]
eh oh!
02:39:00 [jillzilla]
ehoh!
02:39:52 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla has to get a microphone.
02:40:22 [AaronSw]
Hm, I feel left out. Everyone knows my voice from my widely-acclaimed films.
02:40:30 [MorbusIff]
i haven't heard your voice.
02:40:31 [jillzilla]
I've never heard your voice, AaronSw.
02:40:43 [AaronSw]
Then you *must* download one of my widely-acclaimed films!
02:40:50 [jillzilla]
I don't have a film viewer.
02:40:56 [MorbusIff]
how big are they?
02:40:58 [sbp]
* sbp finds a sound clip of himself to put online
02:41:00 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla kind of sucks, where software is concerned.
02:41:00 [AaronSw]
Hm, none of those feature my real voice, but then Morbus didn't use his real voice either.
02:41:09 [MorbusIff]
i don't talk much.
02:41:11 [sbp]
and this one isn't my real voice either :-)
02:41:12 [MorbusIff]
not like verbally.
02:41:15 [jillzilla]
"real" voice?
02:41:37 [MorbusIff]
ooh, sbp, i wanna see.
02:41:38 [AaronSw]
Er, yeah. They're all stage voices.
02:41:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks for an audio recorder for OS X
02:41:47 [jillzilla]
I wanna hear sbp!
02:41:50 [AaronSw]
wht'd you use, Morbus
02:41:51 [MorbusIff]
mmkay. you play judy, i'll play punch
02:41:54 [AaronSw]
sbp has an awesome voice.
02:41:57 [MorbusIff]
AaronSw: i used sndrec32.exe ;)
02:42:02 [AaronSw]
pf
02:42:18 [jillzilla]
Morbus: Look what you've done. You started a trend.
02:42:28 [MorbusIff]
yuh yuh yuh
02:42:35 [MorbusIff]
everyone's gotta compete with the morbomachin.
02:42:41 [MorbusIff]
sigh. everywhere i go, jill, everywhere i go.
02:42:51 [jillzilla]
the groupies...
02:42:53 [jillzilla]
the fame....
02:43:00 [sbp]
O.K., this is going to be me doing a Homer impression...
02:43:01 [jillzilla]
the fans throwing money...
02:43:02 [jillzilla]
...sigh...
02:43:08 [MorbusIff]
and underwear
02:43:17 [jillzilla]
...and latex underwear...
02:43:24 [MorbusIff]
and soiled underwear
02:43:39 [jillzilla]
and sweat-and-secretion soaked panties...
02:44:00 [MorbusIff]
and underwear with "morbus wuz here" written on them with a sharpie
02:44:17 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla hands Morbus a laundry marker.
02:44:25 [MorbusIff]
ooh. even better.
02:44:43 [jillzilla]
sbp: you about ready there? This is getting out of control.
02:44:44 [MorbusIff]
* MorbusIff chuckles.
02:44:50 [MorbusIff]
just thinking of AaronSw saying "friendly"
02:45:00 [jillzilla]
I'm imagining him saying it in a perky way.
02:45:03 [jillzilla]
"friendly!"
02:45:04 [AaronSw]
Noah just put a "Inside! GNU/Linux. Inside!" sticker on my forehead
02:45:16 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla waves to Noah.
02:45:24 [jillzilla]
Is Noah your brother?
02:45:30 [MorbusIff]
no, noah's a carpenter.
02:45:31 [AaronSw]
Yep.
02:45:35 [sbp]
right, what format do people want?
02:45:41 [jillzilla]
mp3 or wav.
02:45:47 [MorbusIff]
don't care.
02:45:48 [AaronSw]
He's the middle brother, BenSw's the youngest.
02:45:51 [sbp]
the wav is about 800KB (and it's only 10 seconds. heh)
02:45:55 [jillzilla]
AaronSw: Don't let Noah see what Morbus and I were saying about panties.
02:45:58 [MorbusIff]
jeez, mine was 22.
02:46:09 [walloper]
<MysticOne> That looks like it's about it, everyone. Thanks for bearing with us. May everyone have a pleasant day, and we appreciate your using the Open Projects Network.
02:46:33 [MorbusIff]
three looges.
02:47:50 [MorbusIff]
heh, heh.
02:48:08 [MorbusIff]
i'm just hoping i crash the machine.
02:48:09 [MorbusIff]
<G>
02:48:12 [AaronSw]
anyone know a free tool to generate preview icons for images on OS X
02:48:15 [MorbusIff]
so you can see how it feels ;)
02:48:26 [MorbusIff]
graphic converter ;)
02:48:36 [jillzilla]
Hmm, only 16 minutes left.
02:48:38 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:48:48 [MorbusIff]
open them all in gc on the default settings, and it should add them automatically, AaronSw.
02:48:56 [AaronSw]
Ah, awesome.
02:48:56 [jillzilla]
brb
02:48:57 [MorbusIff]
else, there's a "convert" feature where you can add a resorce
02:49:09 [sbp]
16 mins? not too shabby
02:49:15 [MorbusIff]
it drives me nuts. i always turn it off.
02:49:26 [MorbusIff]
bwahahah.
02:49:37 [MorbusIff]
i just heard "oooh, my na..." of the part i have downloaded
02:50:21 [MorbusIff]
* MorbusIff switches to his cable connection to download faster
02:50:39 [sbp]
it's "hello, my na..." :-)
02:51:22 [Morbus]
Morbus has quit (No route to host)
02:51:44 [MorbusIff]
AaronSw: someday, i'm gonna read three bears to a audience of kids.
02:52:06 [AaronSw]
cool
02:52:16 [sbp]
if you go down to the woods today...
02:52:41 [jillzilla]
teddy bears' picnic?
02:53:44 [sbp]
right on, jillster!
02:54:11 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla whistles the tune.
02:54:25 [AaronSw]
We had this little bear, that would whistle the tune whenever you touched it.
02:54:46 [jillzilla]
I like the tune because it's in a minor key.
02:54:52 [AaronSw]
Once it got caught under the desk and we couldn't reach it and it kept whistling and whistling... we all went insane
02:55:04 [MorbusIff]
lol
02:55:07 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs in sympathy.
02:55:12 [sbp]
* sbp wonders what a picnic with Jill and Morbus would be like
02:55:21 [jillzilla]
Morbus would bring the ants!
02:55:23 [sbp]
heh!
02:55:46 [MorbusIff]
mmm. ants.
02:56:25 [sbp]
I'd bring the cheese and crackers!
02:56:31 [AaronSw]
Heh, I love this photo: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1049.JPG/view
02:56:51 [sbp]
Jill could bring the secret inside knowledge on the world's grestest search engine
02:57:07 [sbp]
what's it of? slow connection at the mo'
02:57:29 [jillzilla]
only six minutes left.
02:57:41 [AaronSw]
It's your face superimposed on the Windows Media Player screen
02:57:44 [sbp]
oh, it's my monitor
02:57:48 [jillzilla]
I like that one too.
02:57:52 [AaronSw]
so it looks like you've downloaded a movie of yourself watching a movie of yourself
02:58:10 [AaronSw]
of course it's slow, you've 10 people downloading your sound file
02:58:20 [sbp]
note the cool Simpsons poster in the background
02:58:55 [sbp]
heh. it's weird seeing a picture of my monitor on my monitor
02:58:59 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:59:00 [jillzilla]
There's a better picture of your posters.
02:59:08 [AaronSw]
http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1054.JPG/view
02:59:39 [jillzilla]
what's in the reflection on http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1069.JPG/view ?
02:59:46 [jillzilla]
camera?
02:59:51 [AaronSw]
yep
02:59:52 [sbp]
oh man. how embarrasing. I look like such an idiot
03:00:06 [sbp]
he isn't kidding: "Providing embarassing photos for your amusement"
03:00:06 [AaronSw]
story of my life
03:00:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uploads today's photo
03:01:42 [MorbusIff]
oooh.
03:01:51 [AaronSw]
ooh, it's done downloading
03:01:51 [MorbusIff]
you have girly posters and an ilamp.
03:01:57 [AaronSw]
wow, that impression is uncanny
03:02:01 [jillzilla]
oh, red phone booth!
03:02:18 [sbp]
* sbp bows
03:02:20 [AaronSw]
What do you say? "appearabletafetalleee"?
03:02:21 [MorbusIff]
hehehehe, just finished the wav as well.
03:02:40 [sbp]
I believe you have a letter for me
03:03:27 [AaronSw]
Ah.
03:03:46 [sbp]
what the smeg is IMG_1069, anyway? :-)
03:04:10 [AaronSw]
It's an art exhibit at the national theater
03:04:21 [AaronSw]
MorbusIff, Noah wants to know if you watch Invader Zim
03:04:30 [MorbusIff]
yup, i do.
03:04:38 [MorbusIff]
been a fan of vasquez and slg for years and years
03:04:41 [AaronSw]
Noah: "It's funny."
03:04:56 [AaronSw]
Noah: "what's slg?"
03:05:02 [MorbusIff]
slave labor graphics.
03:05:05 [AaronSw]
Noah has been downloading JTHM off the Internet.
03:05:10 [AaronSw]
Noah: "Oh."
03:05:19 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla likes Invader Zim. But I've only seen the pilot.
03:05:19 [MorbusIff]
yeah, vasquez draws jthm, published by slg.
03:05:19 [AaronSw]
Today's photo: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/misc/IMG_1393.JPG/view
03:05:26 [MorbusIff]
jillzilla: it was recently cancele.d
03:05:32 [jillzilla]
So I heard. :-(
03:05:33 [MorbusIff]
with no plans of vhs/dvds.
03:05:52 [jillzilla]
But it's available on alpine or bittorrent, don't recall which.
03:05:59 [AaronSw]
Noah: "Tell them two new episodes of invader zim came out. abducted and sad sad tale of chickenfoot"
03:06:01 [AaronSw]
BitTorrent
03:06:05 [jillzilla]
Sock Puppet!
03:06:16 [jillzilla]
AaronSw: see, I told you I was senile.
03:06:36 [sbp]
* sbp listens to the rest of the song
03:07:50 [Ash]
* Ash la la la
03:08:18 [sbp]
one of this year's takes is better
03:09:06 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla wonders if she really should sign work email with:
03:09:10 [jillzilla]
Jill, contemplating beer
03:09:36 [MorbusIff]
MorbusIff has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")
03:11:38 [jillzilla]
wheee, I'm done with the all-of-my-time-for-two-days process.
03:12:20 [jillzilla]
I think I'll...gasp...go home.
03:12:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw provides labels and silly commentary to http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1054.JPG/view
03:12:38 [AaronSw]
and nearby
03:12:43 [sbp]
heh!
03:13:53 [AaronSw]
"Ooh, more Simpsons! Can't get enough of them. We all pile onto the couch just as the Simpsons family piles onto theirs."
03:15:00 [AaronSw]
"Stu is Sean's friend, who is training to become an architect. He dropped by to check his email and chat with Sean. Unfortunately, having read one-too-many Internet scare stories in the British tabloids, he declined to have a picture of his face on the World Wide Web."
03:15:44 [AaronSw]
"Wow, look at the clock: time for the first Simpsons of the day! Run, don't walk, to the television."
03:15:52 [sbp]
so true
03:15:59 [sbp]
good commentary
03:16:09 [sbp]
although nothing about the guitar?
03:16:29 [AaronSw]
"Sean watches Windows Media Player showing a reflection of him watching Windows Media player showing ..."
03:16:35 [AaronSw]
I'm doing them in backwards order
03:16:42 [sbp]
ah
03:17:44 [AaronSw]
"Nothing to wake you up like a good bit of email and IRC, eh? Sean connects to his many friends across the world with this seemingly dull gray box."
03:17:53 [sbp]
Not sure how I feel about pictures of me and my name being so close together, though...
03:18:03 [sbp]
Blargh
03:19:01 [jillzilla]
I know the feeling. After codecon was the first time for me.
03:19:20 [AaronSw]
first time for what?
03:19:24 [AaronSw]
oh, photos
03:19:32 [jillzilla]
Yes, photos and my name together on the web.
03:19:34 [AaronSw]
"Ah, what better way to start the day than with a TV, comfy chair and guitar. The music calms his nerves, he says. I think he's just trying to postpone reading the inevitable hate mail he receives because of his staunch positions on Web accessibility."
03:19:41 [sbp]
there are *Jill* photos?
03:19:49 [jillzilla]
Yes, some.
03:19:51 [sbp]
*chuckle*
03:20:03 [sbp]
I recieved surprisingly little
03:20:05 [AaronSw]
heh!
03:20:07 [AaronSw]
.google jill lundquist
03:20:08 [xena]
jill lundquist: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Mar/0015.html
03:20:14 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs.
03:20:34 [sbp]
I want more surreal email
03:20:59 [jillzilla]
Hey, there's someone by my name in Edmonton.
03:21:18 [AaronSw]
"tav holds up his trademark "hmz" providing an answer to all the questions we attempted to ask him."
03:21:21 [jillzilla]
sbp: http://kode-fu.com/shame/codecon/butter.html
03:21:55 [jillzilla]
I actually do like AccordionGuy, as lukewarm as I look in that picture of him and me. :-)
03:22:38 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:23:02 [jillzilla]
http://kode-fu.com/shame/codecon/day_3.html
03:23:21 [jillzilla]
My favorite picture of myself is the third one on that page. Where I'm bathed in red light.
03:23:39 [sbp]
funny, I've visited that top page before, I'm sure. Didn't know you were on it, though
03:24:03 [AaronSw]
Heh, that photo makes you look so
03:24:10 [jillzilla]
so...?
03:24:25 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw weighs how to finish the sentence
03:24:36 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla taps her fingers expectantly.
03:25:11 [sbp]
Jillish
03:25:12 [AaronSw]
I was going to say male, but after looking at it carefully I'm not so sure. Semantic satiation, i think.
03:25:39 [AaronSw]
"Semantic satiation" is an awesome phrase.
03:26:03 [jillzilla]
Hmmm...I think I look feminine in that picture. For once.
03:26:18 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:26:39 [jillzilla]
http://kode-fu.com/shame/codecon/images/day_3/PIC00031.jpg
03:26:41 [AaronSw]
Perhaps it's just the company.
03:26:52 [sbp]
not found
03:26:58 [sbp]
the company: heh!
03:26:59 [jillzilla]
hmmm.
03:27:11 [jillzilla]
Not found...are you sure?
03:27:17 [sbp]
pretty sure
03:27:17 [jillzilla]
It works for me.
03:27:24 [AaronSw]
Works for me too
03:27:37 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla raises an eyebrow at sbp.
03:28:17 [sbp]
Web archive to the rescue
03:28:37 [jillzilla]
It's on the page you already downloaded.
03:28:45 [sbp]
oh. heh
03:28:54 [jillzilla]
bottom right.
03:29:01 [sbp]
* sbp is such a scanner
03:29:05 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uploads Boston photos
03:29:22 [AaronSw]
to http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/boston2002/
03:29:42 [sbp]
Hmm... the pictures are all borkified in my cache
03:29:45 [sbp]
perhaps that's why
03:30:03 [jillzilla]
reload?
03:30:10 [sbp]
can't be bothered
03:30:18 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla feigns offense.
03:30:22 [jillzilla]
hmph!
03:30:23 [sbp]
* sbp is onto the Boston photos now
03:30:36 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:30:59 [sbp]
what's that say on the computers, Aaron?
03:31:15 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla remembers that she was going home.
03:31:17 [jillzilla]
Night, all!
03:31:24 [sbp]
c'ya!
03:31:34 [AaronSw]
on which computer?
03:31:39 [AaronSw]
G'nite, jill!
03:32:04 [sbp]
the ones being projected onto the screens
03:32:29 [AaronSw]
in 73 or 74?
03:32:51 [sbp]
dunno. it won't load now
03:33:03 [AaronSw]
in 74 it's Hal Abelson surfing some w3c web page on web services
03:33:11 [sbp]
ah
03:33:16 [sbp]
that's probably it
03:33:34 [sbp]
* sbp plays "Love In Vain"
03:35:07 [AaronSw]
I hope jill wasn't offended by my comment earlier.
03:35:17 [AaronSw]
I meant none.
03:35:28 [AaronSw]
Hm, I htink I crashed Zope.
03:36:19 [sbp]
heh, well, I'd rethink your photo-criticism phraseology a bit if I were you :-)
03:36:28 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:36:38 [AaronSw]
semantic satiation, semantic satiation, semantic satiation, semantic satiation, semantic satiation, semantic satiation, semantic satiation
03:36:50 [sbp]
* sbp moves on through the decates to "Mr. Sandman"
03:37:05 [AaronSw]
Hm, it's very hard to (get|have|experience|feel) semantic satiation (with|on|for|) "semantic satiation".
03:39:14 [AaronSw]
the Detroit airport was scary: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/boston2002/IMG_1391.JPG/view
03:39:39 [AaronSw]
surreal
03:40:09 [sbp]
and then some
03:40:29 [sbp]
"then tell him that his lonesome nights are over"
03:43:06 [sbp]
did you find anyone at the W3C?
03:43:14 [AaronSw]
No. :(
03:43:23 [AaronSw]
TimBL was in Japan, EricP was sick, Sandro was at home.
03:43:29 [AaronSw]
Janet Daly wasn't in her office.
03:43:35 [sbp]
is http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/boston2002/IMG_1379.JPG/view the real 200?
03:43:44 [AaronSw]
Well, it's the real 545
03:43:47 [sbp]
ugh
03:43:57 [AaronSw]
What do you mean by "the real"?
03:44:11 [sbp]
the office of the W3C
03:44:14 [AaronSw]
Oh, and Dennis was out of town
03:44:19 [AaronSw]
Yes, that's where the W3C is.
03:44:28 [AaronSw]
And all the other famous stuff.
03:44:53 [sbp]
it must have sucked so much to go all that way and not find anyone
03:44:56 [sbp]
how was the talk?
03:45:04 [AaronSw]
Mine? It went really well.
03:45:06 [sbp]
you haven't said much about it yet
03:45:11 [AaronSw]
It wasn't really all that way. Maybe two blocks.
03:45:32 [AaronSw]
I did get a real Internet connection though, so it wasn't a total loss.
03:45:33 [sbp]
well, from IL it's a long way
03:45:38 [AaronSw]
Ah, yeah.
03:45:55 [AaronSw]
It was rather disappointing. I was hoping to see at least Sandro.
03:46:08 [AaronSw]
I did get to see EricP's office though, it was awesome!
03:46:11 [sbp]
* sbp listens to "Gershwin Plays Gershwin - Rhapsody In Blue"
03:46:15 [sbp]
heh, cool
03:46:17 [sbp]
photo of it?
03:46:20 [AaronSw]
Bunk beds, Christmas lights, trees
03:46:23 [AaronSw]
I forgot to take a photo.
03:46:26 [AaronSw]
:-(
03:46:28 [sbp]
oh well
03:46:37 [AaronSw]
let me ask google
03:46:37 [sbp]
and you forgot to video the talk! that was bizarre
03:46:46 [sbp]
were J and eikeon there?
03:46:50 [AaronSw]
nope
03:46:56 [sbp]
aw, bummer
03:48:19 [AaronSw]
J has the PleshHD religion: http://www.kingprimate.com/stories/2002/04/22/replacingHeirarchialFilesy.html
03:48:35 [AaronSw]
Hm, he hasn't updated since yesterday.
03:48:54 [AaronSw]
I was really worried that eikeon or J had come and gotten lost. That would have really sucked.
03:49:15 [sbp]
wow, this performance is incredible
03:49:24 [sbp]
heh, indeed
03:58:12 [sbp]
Hmm... Jill reminds me (just a very little bit) of Victoria Wood
03:58:25 [sbp]
heh, sorry, these things bug me
03:59:07 [sbp]
I'm like this worse on the streets (oh man, that guy really reminded me of someone - but who???)
03:59:37 [sbp]
this is so neat: http://www.hisoftware.com/developer/earlpublisher.htm
03:59:56 [sbp]
commercial EARL implementation!
04:00:28 [AaronSw]
Whoa, it's your EARL too!
04:00:36 [sbp]
:-)
04:00:47 [AaronSw]
That is so cool.
04:01:27 [sbp]
we had a big discussion about it today
04:01:42 [sbp]
some of the people that worked on it were asking how best to make the data forwards compatible
04:01:54 [sbp]
everyone seems quite happy, so that's good
04:04:00 [sbp]
Hmm... I think that Morbus reminds me of someone too, but I'm still nto sure who
04:05:41 [sbp]
Morbus's voice is so East Coast American comic book gamer developer
04:06:13 [sbp]
* sbp is currently listening to "Everybody's Talkin'", mind you
04:06:58 [AaronSw]
heh: East Coast American comic book gamer developer
04:09:40 [sbp]
Jill, when you get back: how do you spell eleoesymentric?
04:09:48 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw asks Google
04:09:54 [AaronSw]
.spell eleoesymentric
04:09:57 [xena]
potential spellings for eleoesymentric are: electrodynamic, enzymatically, unsymmetrical, elegantiarum, anisometropia, unsymmetrically, uncharismatic, unassimilated, enlistments, inseminator
04:10:05 [sbp]
heh
04:11:13 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: S'Wonderful: 'Swhack
04:11:32 [AaronSw]
heh! https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=5025
04:12:10 [sbp]
scary question :-)
04:12:28 [AaronSw]
whyzat?
04:12:46 [sbp]
"Hi there. what's the best way to launder money?"
04:12:57 [AaronSw]
That is *so* sterotypical.
04:13:10 [sbp]
actually, I don't know what the feck I'm talking about
04:13:25 [sbp]
yeah, well, but, still, anyway
04:16:44 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.counterpane.com/images/cryptokid.jpg
04:17:16 [sbp]
learn young
04:17:28 [sbp]
it's no secret anymore
04:18:11 [sbp]
I wonder if M will publish the results of his quizzy thing?
04:19:59 [sbp]
anyway...
04:20:02 [sbp]
Gotta run
04:38:51 [AaronSw]
Wow, beautiful Paul Prescod.
04:44:07 [AaronSw]
http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2002/04/24/google.html
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04:59:37 [syn|ack_]
AaronSw: it's a goodie isn't it?
05:00:03 [syn|ack_]
i saw the draft on rest-discuss
05:00:03 [AaronSw]
Yep.
05:02:32 [syn|ack_]
Paul's articles are what has interested me to look at REST more closely and possibley remodelling my current SOAP prototype into a RESTful one
05:03:04 [AaronSw]
I should join rest-discuss, but i probably wouldn't read i...
05:03:11 [syn|ack_]
it's pretty low volume
05:03:15 [AaronSw]
That's great! Paul deserves an award, I think
05:03:33 [syn|ack_]
i think there have been 3 msgs all day today
05:03:43 [syn|ack_]
common is up to 5'ish
05:04:07 [AaronSw]
alright, i'm subscribing
05:04:18 [syn|ack_]
I'm sure your article - should you still decide to be doing it will be great as well ;)
05:05:55 [AaronSw]
I'm definitely doing it, if only as penance for not remembering to tape. ;-)
05:07:53 [syn|ack_]
I look forward to it.
05:11:27 [AaronSw]
Thanks.
05:12:07 [syn|ack_]
awww...mis quoted the ruby source
05:12:16 [syn|ack_]
wasn't ruby-dev, but was ruby-talk
05:12:47 [syn|ack_]
somehow I think i'll be thanking you after I read it :)
05:12:56 [AaronSw]
:-)
05:14:55 [syn|ack_]
hmm...the google API WSDL makes sense to me
05:15:37 [syn|ack_]
goes to show that I still don't really understand how REST is implemented at both the client and the server
05:20:52 [AaronSw]
Hm.
05:20:56 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw starts writing his article.
05:22:40 [syn|ack_]
and further reading the REST wiki (been doing that most of last week) I know I'm not the only one that feels that way. Frustrating, because the wiki seems slightly abstract from how to do a REST application
05:32:33 [AaronSw]
Building a REST application is a rather simple thing.
05:32:57 [AaronSw]
Simply have a web server that responds to GET, POST and PUT, using each when it is meant to.
05:33:12 [AaronSw]
REST is a philosophy, not a specific system like SOAP.
05:33:48 [AaronSw]
REST compares to the philosophy of RPC (Remote Procedure Calls) as Semantic Web Services (the thing my article/slides describe) compares to SOAP.
05:34:28 [syn|ack_]
sure i get that bit
05:34:42 [syn|ack_]
but then how do you access complex resources?
05:35:05 [AaronSw]
complex resources?
05:35:10 [syn|ack_]
like say a client wants to get back a Person
05:35:16 [syn|ack_]
or am I thinking about his all wrong?
05:35:28 [GabeW]
you have to change the abstraction your application uses
05:35:56 [AaronSw]
GET <some-URI-that-identifies-a-person> HTTP/1.1
05:36:03 [AaronSw]
the server should return a description of that person
05:36:08 [tansaku_xr]
.google REST
05:36:09 [xena]
REST: http://www.restministries.org
05:36:16 [GabeW]
.google RESTwiki
05:36:17 [xena]
RESTwiki: http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi/FrontPage
05:36:24 [syn|ack_]
GabeW: i've been reading the wiki
05:36:33 [GabeW]
yeah
05:36:43 [syn|ack_]
AaronSw: ok, sure what if the data is non textual ?
05:36:50 [AaronSw]
what do you mean?
05:37:00 [GabeW]
use a different "accept" http header?
05:37:14 [syn|ack_]
i guess i am thinking objects and not just strings
05:37:25 [AaronSw]
objects can be serialized to strings, no?
05:37:34 [AaronSw]
just as SOAP serializes them to XML
05:37:49 [syn|ack_]
with XMLSchema?
05:38:25 [GabeW]
well, with whatever serialization spec you choose... xmlschema doesn't provide any object mapping
05:38:29 [tansaku_xr]
can REST use SOAP?
05:38:39 [syn|ack_]
ok, that is kind of what i was getting at, but there is really no standard approach which - if everyone does there own thing doesn't it make it hard to talk to each other, no?
05:39:12 [GabeW]
tansaku_xr: uh, well, i spose you could do RESTish things with SOAP envelopes
05:39:36 [deltab]
tansaku_xr: um, that's like asking if TCP can use HTTP
05:39:53 [syn|ack_]
would be nice to have a framework that could do these things for you. A RESTing framework :)
05:40:11 [tansaku_xr]
from reading the wiki it sounds like REST is just the philosophy describing POST/GET/PUT etc.
05:40:25 [tansaku_xr]
I mean SOAP is just an message format (I thought)
05:40:36 [GabeW]
tansaku_xr: yeah, thats largely right
05:40:51 [tansaku_xr]
so I would have thought that I can send a SOAP message using this philosophical approach
05:40:56 [GabeW]
I mean, you can use SOAP in the body of a GET/POST/PUT
05:41:29 [tansaku_xr]
is there a REST implementation or something?
05:41:40 [tansaku_xr]
or is HTTP1.1 a REST implementation?
05:41:41 [GabeW]
but the RESTish wayto interpret this is that you are getting or putting a resource whose "value" is a soap envelope, right?
05:42:01 [GabeW]
HTTP1.1 could be said to be a REST architecture
05:42:02 [syn|ack_]
GabeW: can you give me a resource to look at that would be used for object mapping?
05:42:23 [GabeW]
uh, well, I could make one up
05:42:44 [GabeW]
REST certainly doesn't provide all the specification that SOAP does
05:42:53 [tansaku_xr]
so is the REST concept just a description of something we already have? or is it suggesting something more, something to compete with WSDL?
05:43:01 [syn|ack_]
actually it sounds like more work doing the REST approach...
05:43:24 [deltab]
tansaku_xr; it's what we already have
05:43:40 [syn|ack_]
tansaku_xr: i think the main difference is REST focuses on resources, SOAP tends to focus on operations
05:43:50 [GabeW]
syn|ack - thats it in a nutshell
05:44:05 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ dances
05:44:16 [syn|ack_]
a nutshell dance? :)
05:44:22 [GabeW]
i mean, think of the tuple-space approach to distributed computing
05:44:38 [GabeW]
(ie javaspaces/linda/etc)
05:44:54 [GabeW]
thats another RESTish architecture
05:45:12 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ ponders
05:45:38 [GabeW]
the atoms of functionality are modifications of the state of resources
05:45:47 [GabeW]
whereas in RPC land, the atoms of functionality are rpc messages
05:46:40 [tansaku_xr]
so is REST stateless?
05:46:46 [GabeW]
ah
05:47:04 [syn|ack_]
tansaku_xr: i don't see why you couldn't use sessions to make it stateful
05:47:08 [GabeW]
what you mean by stateless?
05:47:10 [syn|ack_]
but i don't really know
05:47:16 [syn|ack_]
or url re-writing
05:47:36 [tansaku_xr]
synlack_ well that's what cookies are for right
05:47:48 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ nogs
05:48:35 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW: I'm not sure what I mean, I guess I mean that HTTP is not stateful, and I guess neither is RPC, but you said "the atoms of functionality are modifications of the state of resources"
05:48:48 [GabeW]
right - the resources have state
05:48:48 [tansaku_xr]
and my question sort of just followed naturally
05:49:12 [syn|ack_]
it's an interesting area, but somethign I definately need to play with and jump some hurdles with
05:49:36 [tansaku_xr]
but resources still have state in rpc, the question is whether the protocol is stateful or not
05:49:41 [GabeW]
I went through the excercise of changing an app from RPCish to being RESTish and it was not that hard and was really easy to describe
05:50:01 [GabeW]
tansaku_xr: yeah, but define "stateful protocol". just so we're clear.
05:50:22 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW: a stateful protocol distinguishes the order of messages that can take place
05:50:40 [GabeW]
hmm
05:50:41 [syn|ack_]
perhaps he means something like TCP as opposed to UDP ?
05:50:51 [GabeW]
ok, got it
05:51:06 [GabeW]
well, HTTP is stateful by that definition - you have to have a request before a response...
05:51:21 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW, but that's responses in different directions
05:51:30 [tansaku_xr]
I mean if I am a client and you are the server
05:51:40 [tansaku_xr]
I can send you any request at any point
05:52:05 [tansaku_xr]
whereas in some stateful protocol, I could only send you a TRANSMIT_DATA request, after a GREETING request, say
05:52:44 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ sounds like he is being described
05:53:43 [tansaku_xr]
anyway, I write all my software interfaces in HTML and use HTTP to access the software, so I think I'm already RESTed
05:54:10 [GabeW]
well, I can't send the Content of a request until I send two CRLFs.... I think I do know what you are getting at though.
05:55:52 [GabeW]
I think restful applies primarily to app-to-app distributed communication (maybe not...) though a user-useable "representation" of a resource could be HTML and that would technically be RESTful
05:56:17 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW: right, but that's ordering within a single message from you to me, I'm talking about restrictions on the ordering between pairs of request and response
05:56:31 [GabeW]
yeah
05:56:39 [GabeW]
example of stateful?
05:57:10 [tansaku_xr]
and when I say I write my software interfaces in HTML that means I can communicate with them in a distributed fashion
05:58:09 [GabeW]
yeah, but you aren't a "system", tansaku_xr ;-)
05:58:10 [tansaku_xr]
well to expand my above example, I would have to send you a GREETING request, get an acknowledgement from you, then send a TRANSMIT_DATA request, and then starting receiving data from you
05:58:20 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW: but my browser is
05:58:38 [GabeW]
ah, so stateful == more than request/response protocol?
05:58:48 [syn|ack_]
where you will maximize reuse though is client -> server (do some work) -> server then back to client, no?
05:58:59 [tansaku_xr]
and since I can access things through a browser, I can access them through other apps
05:59:11 [syn|ack_]
which is hopefully where you could take advantage of a service sort of paradigm
05:59:12 [tansaku_xr]
yes, stateful == more than request/response protocol?
05:59:33 [GabeW]
tansaku_xr: sure, as I said, I think you could consider getting HTMl representation of a resource to be restful
05:59:34 [tansaku_xr]
synlack: not sure
05:59:57 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW: sure, although the important part is the HTTP not the HTML
06:00:22 [GabeW]
right - if you got XML, or a picture, or a audio file describing the resource, that would still be restful
06:00:44 [syn|ack_]
query on the http1.1 spec here, you could use conneg (read about it briefly in one of Paul Prescods papers) to give back html, xml or whatever at the server end, no?
06:00:49 [tansaku_xr]
and to summarise our "stateful" discussion, the point is that when I interact with you I put you into different states, and in some states you can only handle certain request/response paris
06:00:56 [tansaku_xr]
paris --> pairs
06:01:35 [GabeW]
"and in some states"... hmm.
06:02:29 [GabeW]
I mean, you *could* ddo that, but in general, state wouldn't affect the ability to "respond" to messages - maybe the state change would be error-causing
06:02:31 [tansaku_xr]
right, like you can only handle a TRANSMIT_DATA request when you are in the state of just having responded to a GREETING request
06:02:47 [GabeW]
ok
06:02:47 [tansaku_xr]
synlack: not sure what conneg is
06:02:57 [syn|ack_]
content negotiation?
06:03:10 [tansaku_xr]
the question is, is tristero (which is xml-rpc) restful
06:03:43 [GabeW]
I don't think it is
06:03:50 [tansaku_xr]
syn|ack_ the server can pass back whatever content it likes, but I don't think thats part of http (but then I don't know it so well)
06:04:05 [GabeW]
but maybe I don't know tristero well enough
06:04:16 [tansaku_xr]
http://www.neurogrid.net:8080/tristero/servlet/forum?action=list
06:04:21 [syn|ack_]
tansaku_xr: yes, but the client specifies what it wants back this way
06:04:27 [deltab]
I think any XML-RPC thing would not be
06:04:27 [GabeW]
(but initially the rpc in XML-RPC makes me think it may not be restful)
06:04:51 [tansaku_xr]
syn|ack_ sure it can do that, but I don't know that it's specified at the http level, it might just be in the request body
06:05:07 [tansaku_xr]
don't let the rpc in XML-RPC fool you
06:05:08 [tansaku_xr]
:)
06:05:09 [syn|ack_]
AFAIK it is in the headers
06:05:16 [GabeW]
i mean, if messages are defined as getting a representation or changing the state of a resource then its restful
06:05:25 [GabeW]
as a rough rough definition
06:05:27 [tansaku_xr]
see the above link for my implementation of a tristero search service
06:05:51 [deltab]
don't let the XML in XML-RPC fool you :-)
06:06:09 [tansaku_xr]
syn|ack_ I'll take your word for it - I've never used that functionality in http
06:06:24 [tansaku_xr]
deltab: sure I'm leaving the XML implementation to others :)
06:06:47 [deltab]
XML-RPC doesn't allow full XML
06:07:01 [tansaku_xr]
GabeW: hmm, I guess tristero isn't about changing the state of resources, but I still designed an interface to it that uses GET/POST etc.
06:07:02 [GabeW]
also, the focus on uri to specify semantics is another hallmark of REST
06:07:21 [GabeW]
I don't think there is a "bright line" test for RESTfulness
06:07:58 [tansaku_xr]
well, anyway I better go and do some *real* work - catch you later
06:08:01 [tansaku_xr]
* tansaku_xr slips off
06:08:03 [GabeW]
ok
06:08:15 [syn|ack_]
cya tansaku_xr
06:08:23 [GabeW]
fcya
06:10:04 [syn|ack_]
tansaku_xr: in case you see this later and you are curious, i think this goes over it ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2295.txt
06:13:28 [GabeW]
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08:08:38 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk
08:08:53 [AaronSw]
comments very gratefully appreciated
08:09:10 [chumpy]
A: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk from AaronSw
08:09:21 [AaronSw]
A:|The Semantic Web (for Web Developers)
08:09:37 [chumpy]
titled item A
08:09:40 [AaronSw]
A::The article version of the talk I gave at MIT. Comments are very gratefully appreciated.
08:09:56 [chumpy]
commented item A
08:10:30 [AaronSw]
A::I really like this piece, I think it might be a big thing, perhaps becoming a Semantic Web Primer or O'Reilly book.
08:10:47 [chumpy]
commented item A
08:11:00 [syn|ack_]
is that your article AaronSw?
08:11:06 [AaronSw]
Yep.
08:11:12 [syn|ack_]
boy that was fast!
08:11:18 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ bookmarked it
08:11:22 [AaronSw]
:-)
08:11:29 [AaronSw]
Now I better get some sleep.
08:11:32 [syn|ack_]
thank you very very much
08:11:38 [AaronSw]
Whoa, it's 3AM! that went by quick
08:11:38 [syn|ack_]
sleep easy
08:11:42 [syn|ack_]
:)
08:11:45 [AaronSw]
No problem. Thanks!
08:56:15 [danbri]
syn|ack?
08:56:54 [danbri]
Any chance you've got some RAA data bundled up? I want to make a companion piece to http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2002/04/24/google.html using HTTP / content negotiation
08:57:56 [danbri]
That's a *great* article by Paul Prescod
08:58:20 [danbri]
XML.com Copyright © 2000 O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
08:58:33 [danbri]
ahead of its time too! (or ORA should buy a better content management system...)
09:06:51 [syn|ack_]
morning danbri
09:07:17 [syn|ack_]
yes i read that earlier, he posted that draft on rest-discuss earlier last week
09:07:28 [syn|ack_]
I'm reading AaronSw's latest....
09:07:32 [syn|ack_]
http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk
09:08:32 [syn|ack_]
danbri: sorry to say I haven't bundled it up, however i can .tgz it and you more then likely run it from the root
09:09:13 [syn|ack_]
i've been reading most of the evening so far, and was doing yard work during the day
09:10:27 [danbri]
If you could tgz it that'd be cool
09:10:43 [syn|ack_]
after reading Pauls polished article i thought we definately should REST it - I played with a REST prototype for a silly bookmark manager to try and get a feel for it
09:10:44 [danbri]
right now I'm using the other SOAP service, but it has previously seemed unstable
09:11:00 [danbri]
I think we can find a halfway house between REST and SOAP
09:11:05 [danbri]
...and do the world a favour by documenting it
09:11:22 [danbri]
That was in part the goal of having the soap-encoding to rdf xslt transform
09:11:43 [danbri]
Paul's article downplays the utility of SOAP Encoding, but there are a bunch of tools that use it, and it can be handy
09:12:00 [syn|ack_]
his article says encoding is fine
09:12:18 [syn|ack_]
he says you can happily use that with REST
09:12:36 [syn|ack_]
no?
09:12:47 [syn|ack_]
how do you want it danbri, email, dcc ..?
09:15:38 [syn|ack_]
not sure I understand how triples can represent database
09:15:40 [danbri]
a url woudl be ideal, but email is fine too
09:15:58 [syn|ack_]
i have no where to put it - sorry
09:16:10 [syn|ack_]
danbri@w3.org ?
09:16:14 [danbri]
sure
09:16:35 [danbri]
whats your real name again; so I watch case your msgs goes into the spam trap
09:16:52 [danbri]
s/real/full/
09:17:01 [syn|ack_]
Holden Glova
09:17:21 [danbri]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/soaptech/xslt/_autordf.rdf is an example of an RAA record as triples
09:17:34 [syn|ack_]
sent...
09:17:36 [danbri]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/interest/soaptech/xslt/_autordf.nt is more clear -- the ntriples format
09:17:52 [syn|ack_]
oh great, rdf crashing konq
09:17:55 [danbri]
thanks
09:18:00 [danbri]
oops, sorry!
09:18:04 [syn|ack_]
heh
09:18:09 [syn|ack_]
np
09:18:14 [syn|ack_]
be back in 10 have to dry dishes
09:27:22 [syn|ack_]
back
09:27:56 [syn|ack_]
danbri: keep in mind this has been a quick prototype and ideas have changed much, some refactorings haven't been fully completed yet
09:28:19 [syn|ack_]
for example, i don't like returning a Hash, i would have preferred to return my RAA::Proxy
09:29:57 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ Ahhs at the triples
09:30:08 [syn|ack_]
now that makes more sense
09:32:38 [danbri]
Queries are done in terms of triple patterns with bits missing
09:32:51 [danbri]
* danbri learns about postgres fulltext query -- http://techdocs.postgresql.org/techdocs/fulltextindexing.php
09:33:51 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ is reading AaronSw's article based on MIT talk
09:34:03 [danbri]
have a look at the rdfauthor query tutorial, http://rdfweb.org/people/damian/RDFAuthor/Tutorial/ for eg of rdf queries done visually
09:34:22 [danbri]
* danbri disagrees with a few of aaron's comments, should send him some notes
09:34:54 [danbri]
the 'http://me.etc' represents a person thing --- misleading to introduce that up front, that claim causes more trouble than its worth
09:35:16 [danbri]
"tag:sandro@world.std.org,2001-06-05:Taiko is a persistent identifier, called a TAG,"
09:35:23 [syn|ack_]
heh, is that OSX theme?
09:35:28 [danbri]
...suggests that other URI forms are not persistent
09:35:42 [danbri]
its an OSX app, he's porting it to swing now
09:35:58 [danbri]
...again introduces a potential rathole
09:36:11 [danbri]
bascially any topics that cause churn on the uri@w3.org list best avoided in rdf/sw intros :)
09:37:10 [danbri]
* danbri not sure about Zooko's law either, esp suggestion that urischeme security is a boolean
09:41:58 [syn|ack_]
ack!
09:42:25 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ just noted the tests in raa-succ won't even run
09:42:32 [danbri]
no prob
09:42:48 [danbri]
* danbri adds you to anti spam whitelist
09:42:50 [syn|ack_]
i haven't been able to do any work on it in over a week but last time I was i was adding functionality
09:43:21 [syn|ack_]
I bought a house and moved last month and have been settling in
09:43:30 [syn|ack_]
sorry
09:44:11 [danbri]
I remember! Don't beat yourself up. I had all kinds of grand plans for rdf query over raa/rdoc/etc data, not done that yet...
09:46:28 [danbri]
OK, I untarred it. CAn you suggest which files to investigate first?
09:46:43 [syn|ack_]
actually those plans you had would work good with a RESTful solution, no?
09:46:52 [danbri]
indeed
09:46:59 [danbri]
I'm a RESTful person
09:47:04 [syn|ack_]
ok, the raa-import.rb is the file that queries the RAA and makes the xml data
09:47:07 [danbri]
my plans have been RESTing
09:47:12 [syn|ack_]
heh
09:47:20 [syn|ack_]
that is what i had in mind to run in a cron job
09:47:36 [syn|ack_]
every 1 hour, 2 hours whatever
09:47:50 [syn|ack_]
raa-wrapper-client.rb is a simple client
09:47:53 [danbri]
its doing... something...
09:48:03 [danbri]
* danbri leaves it and grabs breakfast
09:48:08 [danbri]
later!
09:48:12 [syn|ack_]
cya :)
09:48:30 [danbri]
I'll keep logs in #rdfig when I do some more on this. #swhack is too silly for such serious work ;-)
09:48:35 [danbri]
* danbri ducks, runs
09:48:41 [danbri]
cu
09:48:49 [syn|ack_]
what do you mean logs?
09:48:59 [danbri]
IRC chat logs
09:49:08 [syn|ack_]
as in bot logging?
09:49:09 [danbri]
this is public, archived, as is #rdfig
09:49:11 [danbri]
yup
09:49:24 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ has been unexposed to this sort of thing
09:49:27 [danbri]
see http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/ and nearby for two kinds of logs -- full, and url-commentaries
09:49:37 [danbri]
the bot should warn you when you join the channel
09:49:49 [syn|ack_]
gotcha
09:49:53 [syn|ack_]
cu later dan
09:49:56 [danbri]
oh
09:49:59 [syn|ack_]
?
09:50:00 [danbri]
so that script finished
09:50:04 [danbri]
where's the data etc?
09:50:15 [syn|ack_]
raa-import.xml
09:51:07 [danbri]
cool, it worked
09:51:18 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ breathes a sigh of relief
09:51:19 [danbri]
legal xml too!
09:51:20 [syn|ack_]
:)
09:51:21 [danbri]
does it deal w/ japanese characters?
09:51:26 [syn|ack_]
no
09:51:28 [danbri]
that hosed some of my stuff
09:51:42 [syn|ack_]
hmm...hadn't thought of that
09:51:45 [danbri]
anyway, gotta run
09:51:49 [syn|ack_]
okie
10:46:51 [syn|ack_]
night guys
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* pixel waves.
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* pixel waves
12:51:23 [Morbus]
bah!
12:59:07 [pixel]
bah?
13:05:32 [pixel]
hey. you're in rael's blog.
13:10:42 [Morbus]
i know :)
13:21:37 [sbp]
* sbp waves
13:21:42 [pixel]
hi.
13:50:09 [sbp]
ah! log:uri should return a list of URIs
13:50:25 [sbp]
ooh, plus one could note the definitive URI for a resource
13:50:32 [sbp]
s/URI/URI-ref/g
13:51:16 [sbp]
<http://blargh.org/#example">http://blargh.org/#example> = <http://example.org/#blargh">http://example.org/#blargh> . <http://blargh.org/#example> :definitiveURI "http://example.org/#blargh" .
13:51:31 [sbp]
note that :definitiveURI is a kind of chain of daml:equivalentTo and log:uri
13:51:45 [sbp]
(rather, a subproperty of that chain)
13:55:53 [sbp]
Hmm... TextPath with RegExps would be so cool
13:59:55 [sbp]
[[[
13:59:56 [sbp]
00:00:29 <jillzilla> Zircon: you crazy fool, you.
13:59:56 [sbp]
00:00:31 <Zircon> the 'nick' in /nick stands for 'nickname'
13:59:57 [sbp]
00:00:37 <Zircon> jillzilla: I'm going crazy with new ideas
13:59:59 [sbp]
]]]
14:05:07 [sbp]
actually, to make it easier: '(?:(\d\S+) ([^\n]+))'
14:05:10 [sbp]
then you can do...
14:05:11 [sbp]
dict(re.compile(re.compile(r"<http://example.org/#TextPath>.+?ID = '([^\n]+)'", re.S).findall(doc)[0]).findall(doc))
14:05:47 [sbp]
result: {'00:00:37': "<Zircon> jillzilla: I'm going crazy with new ideas", '00:00:29': '<jillzilla> Zircon: you crazy fool, you.', '00:00:31': "<Zircon> the 'nick' in /nick stands for 'nickname'"}
14:08:47 [sbp]
ugh, redundant syntax. can probably abbreviate it to "# <http://example.org/#TextPath>(?:(\S+) ([^\n]+))</>" or less
14:10:10 [sbp]
heh, ironically, that should work for these logs
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14:25:23 [sbp]
$ python -c "import re, urllib as u; doc = u.urlopen('http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-25.txt').read(); print \`dict(re.compile(re.compile(r'<http://example.org/#TextPath>(.+?)</>').findall(doc)[0]).findall(doc))\`[:200]"
14:25:24 [CygBot]
> {'03:33:34': '<sbp> * sbp plays "Love In Vain"', '01:17:59': '<jillzilla> * jillzilla quietly salutes the anglo-saxons for the word "swine".', '09:16:10': '<syn|ack_> danbri@w3.org ?', '00:40:29': '<M
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> [end]
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14:35:29 [sbp]
if any channel deserves a big fat +P, it's #swhack
14:35:51 [sbp]
has lilo ever even been in here? doubt it
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15:04:56 [sbp]
$ perl -e '@bits=("to you", "dear Mooorbus"); for (@bits[0,0,1,0]) { print "Happy birthday $_\n" }'
15:04:59 [CygBot]
> Happy birthday to you
15:04:59 [CygBot]
> Happy birthday to you
15:05:00 [CygBot]
> Happy birthday dear Mooorbus
15:05:00 [CygBot]
> Happy birthday to you
15:05:00 [CygBot]
> [end]
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15:05:16 [Zircon]
<AaronSw> O I LOEV U LIELO!@$#
15:05:17 [Zircon]
*g*
15:05:32 [Morbus]
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15:05:38 [Morbus]
how the hell...
15:06:30 [MorbusIff]
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15:07:11 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: perl -e '@bits=("to you", "dear Mooorbus"); for (@bits[0,0,1,0]) { print "Happy birthday $_\n" }'
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15:07:40 [MorbusIff]
wtf?
15:08:34 [sbp]
I guess I don't need the @bits
15:09:18 [sbp]
I just wanted to show off my stunning knowledge of the array namespace
15:09:19 [MorbusIff]
is anyone netsplitting, or is it just me?
15:09:24 [sbp]
it's just you
15:09:29 [sbp]
everyone else is fine
15:09:43 [MorbusIff]
i think you can do print "" for ( yadda )
15:09:48 [MorbusIff]
that'd removed your brackets.
15:09:54 [sbp]
ooh
15:09:57 [sbp]
* sbp tries it
15:10:43 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: perl -e 'print "Happy birthday $_\n" for (("to you", "dear Mooorbus")[0,0,1,0])'
15:10:56 [MorbusIff]
much nicer :)
15:11:03 [sbp]
mega-neat!
15:12:58 [MorbusIff]
MorbusIff is now known as Morbus
15:38:03 [AaronSw]
<danbri> #swhack is too silly for such serious work ;-)
15:38:15 [Morbus]
er.
15:38:16 [Morbus]
bwahahahaha
15:38:27 [Morbus]
man, it feels so fake the second time around.
15:38:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw refrains from trying the topic. it'll probably erase his hard drive
15:38:39 [Morbus]
heh
15:39:02 [sbp]
:-)
15:41:51 [pixel]
nice one liner.
15:42:36 [Morbus]
we'll have him loving perl yet ;)
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16:11:21 [redmonk]
hi all
16:11:22 [redmonk]
jillzilla!
16:11:39 [Morbus]
monk!
16:11:48 [redmonk]
morbie! it's your birthday?!?
16:12:39 [Morbus]
yeah :)
16:13:06 [redmonk]
sweeeet
16:13:24 [sbp]
Hi Jill, rm
16:13:33 [sbp]
oh, jill's not here. *chuckle*
16:13:59 [redmonk]
hi sbp
16:14:08 [redmonk]
i never did get that stupid channel regsitered
16:15:39 [sbp]
ugh
16:16:02 [redmonk]
and i want to start one for a group of friends
16:16:04 [redmonk]
too
16:16:12 [redmonk]
this irc thing is annoying
16:16:16 [redmonk]
;-)
16:16:29 [Zircon]
HI JILLZILLA
16:17:13 [redmonk]
aaagh, the caps!!
16:17:24 [redmonk]
* redmonk shields his eyes
16:18:40 [Zircon]
REDMONK, MY KEYBOARD IS BROEKN
16:18:41 [Zircon]
*g*
16:18:49 [Zircon]
* Zircon wonders if redmonk has any tree files
16:19:07 [redmonk]
* redmonk is in arizona, may have some cactus files
16:20:00 [Zircon]
ah.
16:20:03 [Zircon]
Yeah, I know what you mean.
16:20:24 [Zircon]
I grew up 6 miles from the Arizona/Utah border
16:20:25 [sbp]
rm: run DELCACTUS
16:20:27 [Zircon]
heh
16:20:30 [Zircon]
DELCACTUS!!!
16:20:47 [Zircon]
find / -unlink & -name delcactus
16:21:02 [redmonk]
lol
16:21:25 [redmonk]
that's better, since i'm on os x
16:21:58 [redmonk]
gee, i should run random commands told me by strange irc H4XX0RS
16:23:07 [AaronSw]
/kick Zircon :ash in disguise
16:23:47 [AaronSw]
did y'know htere's a #hack -- you should go there
16:24:38 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw falls over laughing
16:24:53 [AaronSw]
<sbp> Hi. I have some tree files on my computer, and I think they're making my hard drive slow
16:24:53 [AaronSw]
<sbp> can anyone tell me how to remove them?
16:25:00 [AaronSw]
[silence in #hack]
16:25:15 [sbp]
:-)
16:25:27 [sbp]
probably not a clever thing to say in a channel with so many ops...
16:26:01 [Morbus]
LOL.
16:27:18 [Zircon]
heh heh
16:27:21 [Zircon]
LOL!
16:27:48 [Zircon]
redmonk: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-05.txt
16:28:11 [Zircon]
It's MORBAS's birthday?
16:28:22 [redmonk]
i saw the TOPIC
16:30:46 [sbp]
* sbp joins #whack - it's not quite #swhack, it's not quite #hack
16:33:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw rads the logs
16:36:34 [AaronSw]
<sbp> no matter who you vote for, the government always get in
16:38:20 [AaronSw]
heh @ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!
16:41:27 [AaronSw]
<sbp> shouldn't Aaron be back by around about now?
16:41:38 [AaronSw]
yes, but they canceled my flight because the bathroom was stinky
16:41:44 [davb]
what?
16:41:46 [sbp]
heh!
16:41:47 [AaronSw]
the pilot didn't want to fly the plane, it was making him sick
16:41:51 [pixel]
heheh
16:41:59 [AaronSw]
two of the stewardesses apparently fell ill from the flight in
16:42:24 [AaronSw]
the only other flight went thru detroit and got in at 11PM
16:42:44 [pixel]
I can see the headline "Plane misses liftoff time. Captina says bathroom stinks like shit"
16:43:20 [redmonk]
headline "captain sues newspaper over being called 'Captina'."
16:43:31 [AaronSw]
heh @ fositivies
16:44:15 [pixel]
(I'm a sloppy typer. it's bad when I code)
16:45:21 [AaronSw]
hm, telecon in 15
16:52:50 [redmonk]
hey aaron
16:52:57 [AaronSw]
hi
16:53:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw checks clock
16:53:12 [Zircon]
redmonk: HI
16:53:29 [redmonk]
could you spare a logger for one of my channels?
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16:53:38 [redmonk]
(should have /msg'd that)
16:56:31 [AaronSw]
which one?
17:00:37 [AaronSw]
huh? "mcdermott was convicted."
17:00:41 [AaronSw]
drew mcdermott?
17:07:09 [AaronSw]
<telecon>
17:23:05 [AaronSw]
</teleconz>
17:23:16 [Morbus]
y0y0y0y
17:24:08 [AaronSw]
kevin ditched us
17:25:30 [Morbus]
hmm?
17:25:51 [sbp]
convicted?
17:30:47 [sbp]
<AaronSw> huh? "mcdermott was convicted."
17:30:49 [sbp]
.time
17:30:49 [xena]
2002/04/25 17:30:10.046 Universal
17:30:49 [logster]
* logster is already logging
17:31:30 [sbp]
why did logster reverse:-
17:31:30 [sbp]
<sbp> convicted?
17:31:31 [sbp]
<Morbus> hmm?
17:31:32 [sbp]
?
17:31:52 [AaronSw]
probably because loster likes you more
17:32:09 [sbp]
perhaps it's cause I was grepping, or my connection's slow...
17:33:21 [sbp]
.time
17:33:21 [xena]
2002/04/25 17:32:34.9139 Universal
17:33:21 [sbp]
soon find out
17:33:21 [AaronSw]
heh @ * jilzilla decides to change her surname to Lundqwhatsits.
17:35:15 [AaronSw]
wow: Sean craves a forum allowing citelessness impunity / an altogether simpler place and tightly knit community / to overcome this lack / he'll take his citations back / and end up with a citing craze immunity
17:35:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw swoons too
17:35:16 [sbp]
:-)
17:35:31 [sbp]
heh, heh: 2001-11-28 23:51:26 <AaronSw> What's with sbp and "make Me"
17:37:39 [AaronSw]
sbp, have you read my article thingy?
17:37:54 [sbp]
skimmed it: will review in full when I have some time
17:38:02 [sbp]
* sbp sits back in his chair and twiddles his thumbs
17:38:10 [sbp]
heh, I'll take a look at it
17:38:22 [Morbus]
article thingy?
17:38:24 [sbp]
oh, actually one comment that I had immediately was about XML vs. NTriples
17:38:34 [sbp]
the <blargh> things in XML and in NTriples look rather similar
17:38:41 [sbp]
and although it's obvious to us that they're not...
17:38:53 [sbp]
you might want to explain the difference to people
17:39:34 [sbp]
heh, XML uses <> for QNames, and NTriples use x:y for QNames, and <> for URI-refs. Oh well
17:39:49 [AaronSw]
hm.
17:40:29 [sbp]
it's one of those things that unless you're a total beginner, you're not likely to think about it
17:40:39 [AaronSw]
weird. my muppets story is in the logs, but i totally missed all the other things people were saying
17:40:47 [sbp]
muppets story?
17:41:02 [AaronSw]
2*0=0
17:41:47 [AaronSw]
lol @ we have syn|tax in swhack! proper usage instructions! keep away from children! do not drink while standing up! jumping up and down will NOT stop a pregnancy.
17:42:12 [Morbus]
man, that was ages ago :)
17:42:28 [AaronSw]
i'm just going thru logs while i was in boston
17:42:30 [sbp]
wow, I missed that
17:42:33 [Morbus]
really?
17:42:37 [AaronSw]
oh?
17:42:40 [Morbus]
man, I thought that joke fell flat.
17:42:43 [Morbus]
i guess no one was listening.
17:43:03 [AaronSw]
sbp probably missed my simpsons dis too then
17:43:55 [sbp]
yes
17:44:00 [sbp]
whrereres's that?
17:44:12 [sbp]
heh, those Morbus rules are great
17:44:16 [sbp]
what on earth was I doing?
17:44:22 [AaronSw]
see http://www.powazek.com/zoom/log/archive/00000391.shtml
17:44:32 [sbp]
ah! it was the 20 questions thing
17:45:29 [AaronSw]
oh shoot. tv turnoff week starts today
17:45:37 [sbp]
oh, that. yeah, there are lots of divided opinions on the latest series
17:45:48 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: TV Turnoff Week | Morbus' Birthday | Morbus Turnoff Day
17:45:59 [sbp]
actually, in general, I think that DABF** is better than BABF** and CABF**
17:46:10 [AaronSw]
what's with the abf?
17:46:26 [sbp]
it feels as if they're trying to get too many out... I think they need to take more breaks, produce fewer shows
17:46:39 [sbp]
because even Maxtone-Graham has said that the ideas are running out
17:46:44 [sbp]
Al Jean said a similar thing, IIRC
17:47:07 [sbp]
so they just can't go at the same rate anymore, IMO. but they are, because they've got contracts to fulfill I suppose
17:47:24 [sbp]
that's the Simpsons episode number syntax...
17:47:49 [sbp]
having said that, once again DABF** has been pretty good
17:49:15 [AaronSw]
right, but why are they all ABF? why not D**
17:49:24 [sbp]
Pff, dunno
17:49:34 [sbp]
the episode numbers appear to be a whim
17:49:45 [sbp]
apparently, 7G** was from sector 7G...
17:49:47 [jillzilla]
Morbus Turnoff Day? This I *have* to see.
17:50:00 [sbp]
no, you can't see it: you have to turn it off
17:50:06 [sbp]
Jill!
17:50:18 [Morbus]
heh, heh
17:50:32 [jillzilla]
Hello!
17:51:12 [AaronSw]
Hello!
17:51:24 [AaronSw]
wind is really whistling today
17:51:33 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla envies people with weather.
17:51:46 [deltab]
AaronSw: They're unique across Fox, I think
17:51:56 [AaronSw]
Ah, inteesting.
17:52:15 [deltab]
ABV for BtVS, ABH for Angel iirc
17:52:18 [sbp]
whistle while you blow, whistlin' up the snow... da da da da, da da da da, whistle while you blow
17:52:28 [sbp]
note the uncharacteristic "while"
17:53:11 [AaronSw]
<sbp> Jill, when you get back: how do you spell eleoesymentric?
17:53:35 [sbp]
ooh, and:-
17:53:35 [sbp]
03:58:12 <sbp> Hmm... Jill reminds me (just a very little bit) of Victoria Wood
17:54:11 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla googles on Victoria Wood, having no idea who that might be.
17:54:34 [sbp]
British comedienne
17:54:47 [AaronSw]
"Victoria Wood is a talented comedy actress/writer/singer who has built up a national reputation following a string of self-written TV plays, films and sketch shows."
17:54:50 [AaronSw]
.wn Victoria Wood
17:54:50 [xena]
error: unable to define Victoria Wood
17:55:17 [sbp]
.wn #swhack
17:55:18 [jillzilla]
Ah, she is ineffable.
17:55:27 [sbp]
.wn Swhack
17:55:31 [sbp]
say it!
17:55:42 [jillzilla]
sbp: reminds you in style or in looks?
17:55:57 [sbp]
er, well I'm not sure what your style is, so I'll go with looks
17:56:04 [AaronSw]
mnot's working on a REST framework
17:56:09 [sbp]
source?
17:56:19 [AaronSw]
(Private communication)
17:56:25 [sbp]
naughty!
17:56:31 [sbp]
but nice
17:56:43 [sbp]
any more details?
17:57:41 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla contemplates eleoesymentric.
17:57:41 [sbp]
Aaron? come on - you can't just say that someone's working on a REST framework and leave it at that! give us the dirt
17:58:00 [AaronSw]
Fine. Under duress: http://www.mnot.net/wallal/
17:58:21 [AaronSw]
lol: "WARNING: THIS IS UNSUPPORTED BETA SOFTWARE. YOU MAY CONTACT THE AUTHOR WITH QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS; HOWEVER, YOU MAY NOT GET AN ANSWER. BE PREPARED TO FIDDLE WITH IT YOURSELF. YOU MIGHT END UP WRITING A WHOLE NEW PIECE OF SOFTWARE, LIKE I DID. I THINK I'LL STOP YELLING NOW."
17:58:48 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs.
17:59:10 [AaronSw]
tansaku_xr, REST is stateless
17:59:21 [sbp]
* sbp tries hard to resist making an "under duress" comment
17:59:36 [AaronSw]
a little late now
17:59:39 [jillzilla]
I'll show you "duress".
17:59:52 [Morbus]
show me undress instead and i'll give you a quarter
17:59:58 [Morbus]
* Morbus runs back into his cave.
18:00:04 [redmonk]
heh
18:00:09 [sbp]
:-)
18:00:16 [sbp]
Gotta run
18:00:20 [jillzilla]
simpsons?
18:03:26 [AaronSw]
"bascially any topics that cause churn on the uri@w3.org list best avoided in rdf/sw intros :)"
18:03:39 [AaronSw]
the goal was with the exact opposite in mind
18:04:49 [SethR]
.google eleoesymentric
18:04:50 [xena]
no results found.
18:04:58 [jillzilla]
Hi, SethR.
18:05:09 [SethR]
* SethR waves
18:05:32 [SethR]
its just that im into symmetry .. any type will do
18:05:35 [jillzilla]
Hey, anyone wanna help me move on 18 May?
18:05:51 [jillzilla]
I don't have much stuff, so I'm thinking five or six people get it done in an hour and a half.
18:05:54 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw checks calendar
18:06:09 [GabeW]
jillzilla: didn't you just move?
18:06:11 [jillzilla]
I'm buying a tasty lunch!
18:06:16 [jillzilla]
GabeW: Yeah, in December.
18:06:19 [AaronSw]
Sorry, it's a Jewish holiday, jillzilla.
18:06:29 [jillzilla]
Uh-oh. That means L and C won't be available either.
18:06:39 [SethR]
jillzilla, you in silicon valley?
18:06:42 [jillzilla]
yep.
18:06:50 [SethR]
too bad
18:06:57 [jillzilla]
GabeW: I just hear the call of the wild goose...have to move...
18:07:17 [jillzilla]
No, seriously, I found a better place which is cheaper, and this way I get to get away from the housemate who doesn't talk to me.
18:07:25 [jillzilla]
And I don't even have to break a lease to do it.
18:07:29 [jillzilla]
SethR: where are you?
18:07:35 [GabeW]
wait, this is the house downtown?
18:07:37 [SethR]
renton, wa
18:07:46 [jillzilla]
GabeW: Yes!
18:08:02 [jillzilla]
Where is Renton? What part of the state?
18:08:13 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is too lazy to look it up.
18:08:28 [Zircon]
renton is half in canada, half in usa
18:09:04 [AaronSw]
ok, log reading is done
18:09:23 [Zircon]
loggy, stop reading our logs
18:09:23 [loggy]
* loggy is not logging
18:09:26 [Zircon]
lol
18:09:27 [AaronSw]
loggy, on
18:09:27 [loggy]
* loggy is logging
18:09:31 [AaronSw]
stop doing that!
18:09:35 [Zircon]
* Zircon chuckles
18:09:36 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla dies laughing.
18:10:02 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:11:10 [GabeW]
jillzilla: bram wants to stay close to Santa Clara for etcon.. perhaps you could offer a space on the floor in exchange for moving help?
18:11:11 [SethR]
renton is a burb of Seattle ... not to be confused with that Redmon eval hangout of persons unnamed
18:11:34 [jillzilla]
GabeW: All he has to do is ask.
18:11:47 [jillzilla]
Although I already ahve someone crashing, so there might not be room.
18:13:59 [SethR]
.google EBNF N3
18:13:59 [xena]
EBNF N3: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples
18:14:28 [SethR]
nope not really
18:14:36 [AaronSw]
seth, http://infomesh.net/2002/n3qname.html
18:14:58 [SethR]
thanks, aaron :)
18:15:43 [SethR]
it's not EBNF but close enough
18:17:30 [SethR]
google was on ABC ann CNN ... the dot com that didnt die
18:18:32 [SethR]
.google google ABC
18:18:32 [xena]
google ABC: http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Television/Networks/ABC
18:19:11 [SethR]
no help there
18:32:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw updates http://vorpal.logicerror.com/
18:36:16 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Derek Powazek Tinderbox Templates: http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/GetTemplates.html
18:40:37 [Morbus]
hmf.
18:40:40 [Morbus]
can't get this weblog ping to work.
18:42:59 [Morbus]
hrm.
18:48:29 [walloper]
<lilo> This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode <yournick> -w'. Thanks.
18:52:24 [Zircon]
LIELO
18:52:31 [Zircon]
.google tinder boxing
18:52:32 [xena]
tinder boxing: http://www.ngex.com/personalities/voices/default.htm
18:52:37 [walloper]
<lilo> Things to bear in mind about splits. OPN obviously wants to avoid them whenever possible though sometimes things happen that are beyond our control.
18:52:49 [jillzilla]
Is it just me, or did lilo just do a wallops to tell us how to turn off wallops?
18:53:13 [Zircon]
<lilo> We can't help it if we are total incompetents. Please bear with us.
18:53:21 [walloper]
<lilo> You should be aware that the messages you get indicating splits, though, are a bit different from other networks.
18:53:33 [Zircon]
jillzilla: Yes, he did.
18:53:40 [jillzilla]
just checking.
18:53:47 [Zircon]
hehe
18:53:48 [Zircon]
:)
18:55:15 [walloper]
<lilo> As a result of DoS attacks we sustained during late 2000, some changes went into the design of the new server code. When a split happens, you will *always* see it as if the server "irc.openprojects.net" is splitting off from the server you are on. The only way to gauge the size of the split is to use whatever facilities your client has for listing users who have been split.
18:56:42 [walloper]
<lilo> Be aware as well that when you /whois a user, they will appear to be signed onto "irc.openprojects.net" rather than a specific server. Again, this is a design change which resulted from our previous experiences with user attacks.
18:57:13 [walloper]
<lilo> Nothing prevents you from providing information to other users about what server you are on, but it's not displayed automatically. Thanks.
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18:59:15 [Morbus]
huh.
18:59:19 [Morbus]
couldn't get the xml-rpc working.
18:59:23 [Morbus]
but got the POST working fine.
19:01:54 [sbp]
heh @ <Zircon> loggy, stop reading our logs
19:02:56 [sbp]
O.K., so...
19:03:00 [sbp]
We *sow* the seed
19:03:05 [sbp]
Nature *grows* the seed
19:03:10 [sbp]
and we *eat* the seed
19:03:50 [jillzilla]
Glad you got that sorted out, sbp.
19:03:58 [Zircon]
http://www.theonion.com/onion3815/counterpoint_space_program.html
19:04:03 [Zircon]
@ http://www.theonion.com/onion3815/counterpoint_space_program.html
19:04:16 [AaronSw]
that was pretty funny
19:04:27 [Morbus]
[[[
19:04:28 [Morbus]
[15:02] <Morbus> oh, DrBacchus, i have some more fun for you.
19:04:28 [Morbus]
[15:02] <Morbus> check out http://www.disobey.com/detergent/sounds/
19:04:28 [Morbus]
[15:03] <dystopia> i want to say something irrelevant here
19:04:28 [Morbus]
[15:03] <Morbus> its me reading a paragraph from my next article: apache #7 <G>
19:04:28 [Morbus]
[15:03] * Morbus chuckles.
19:04:30 [Morbus]
[15:03] <DrBacchus> heh
19:04:32 [Morbus]
[15:04] <DrBacchus> That's hilarious.
19:04:34 [Morbus]
[15:04] <Morbus> <G>
19:04:36 [Morbus]
[15:04] <DrBacchus> You're a sick puppy
19:04:38 [Morbus]
[15:04] <Morbus> lol. whoo! :)
19:04:40 [Morbus]
[15:04] <Morbus> i enjoy myself.
19:04:41 [chumpy]
B: http://www.theonion.com/onion3815/counterpoint_space_program.html from Zircon
19:04:42 [Morbus]
[15:04] <DrBacchus> Morbus++
19:04:44 [Morbus]
[15:04] <dystopia> lol:)
19:04:46 [Morbus]
]]]
19:04:48 [sbp]
no, Jill... you've really got to think about it
19:04:54 [sbp]
I mean, we *sow* the seed
19:04:58 [AaronSw]
B:|Point-Counterpoint: The Space Program
19:04:58 [sbp]
nature *grows* the seed
19:05:01 [AaronSw]
.wn sow
19:05:02 [xena]
sow defined as:
19:05:03 [xena]
- n : an adult female hog
19:05:04 [xena]
- v 1: place (seeds) in the ground for future growth; "She sowed sunflower seeds" [syn: {sough}, {seed}]
19:05:04 [sbp]
and then we *eat* the seed
19:05:05 [xena]
- 2: introduce into an environment; "sow suspicion or beliefs" [syn: {sough}]
19:05:06 [xena]
- 3: place seeds in (the ground); "sow the ground with sunflower seeds" [syn: {inseminate}, {sow in}]
19:05:15 [AaronSw]
female hog. hmm
19:05:16 [chumpy]
titled item B
19:05:27 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla stares at sbp.
19:05:45 [Zircon]
I love Point-Counterpoint
19:05:57 [Zircon]
"Oooh, Look At Me, I read _The Economist_!"
19:06:21 [Zircon]
"On weekends, I like to sit out on my porch in my wicker chair with my bifocals and my subscription copy of The Economist . Then, when I go to a professor's wine-and-cheese party later that night, I can casually mention all the fancy stuff I read about NASA and Venezuela and Gen. Pervez Musharraf in my fancy magazine and impress everybody."
19:06:23 [Zircon]
lol
19:06:48 [sbp]
no, no! we *sow* the seed, nature *grows* the seed, and then we *eat* the seed!
19:06:53 [Zircon]
"I say, old chap, here comes Lord Smartingford of Braintonshire! Shall we dine upon a nice cup of tea, then? We can discuss the economy, and the global situ-AYYY-tion, and ever so many other matters! I am so very versed in such matters, reading as do I The Economist, just as soon as the postman delivers it by the estate, don't you know. I find that only the right cracking coverage of The E-CON-omist keeps me jolly-well informed and all that, wou
19:06:53 [sbp]
it's just so great!
19:06:53 [Zircon]
ldn't you agree? Mmm, yes, I did think you would!"
19:07:13 [AaronSw]
I'm not following, sbp.
19:07:46 [sbp]
Zircon: righto! splendid! this is jolly-spiffing marvellous
19:07:54 [sbp]
Aaron: we *sow* the seed
19:08:01 [sbp]
nature *grows* the seed
19:08:04 [sbp]
and then we *eat* the seed
19:08:13 [sbp]
that's it. it's simple, and beautiful
19:08:14 [AaronSw]
Maybe you should do an audio recording.
19:08:21 [sbp]
Hmm... perhaps I should
19:08:55 [sbp]
* sbp would find it difficult - lots of household activity at the moment!
19:09:02 [AaronSw]
jillzilla has boundless generosity
19:09:42 [jillzilla]
audio recording!
19:09:57 [sbp]
jillzilla's like some mega cornucopia of exispeciferous bounty
19:13:47 [SethR]
.google exispeciferous
19:13:48 [xena]
exispeciferous: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-24.html
19:13:53 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:14:25 [sbp]
02:23:20 <AaronSw> *cough* Alzofratz *cough*
19:14:32 [sbp]
.google Alzofratz
19:14:32 [xena]
Alzofratz: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-13
19:14:36 [sbp]
whee!
19:15:13 [sbp]
hey, I won that one
19:15:20 [SethR]
wow google is really indexing this stuff fast now :)
19:15:41 [sbp]
nah, bollocks is it. it's always *so* slow when it comes to the swhack logs. I'm not sure why
19:15:51 [sbp]
in fact, we even had to send mail to www-archive once
19:15:55 [sbp]
just to get it to index us
19:16:09 [SethR]
bullocks is it?
19:16:11 [AaronSw]
But now that jill is here...
19:16:31 [sbp]
.wn bollock
19:16:32 [xena]
bollock defined as:
19:16:33 [xena]
- n 1: one of the two male reproductive glands; "she kicked him in the balls and got away" [syn: {testis}, {gonad}, {testicle}, {ball}, {ballock}, {nut}, {egg}]
19:16:34 [xena]
- 2: a pulley-block at the head of a topmast [syn: {bullock block}]
19:16:59 [sbp]
yeah. Jill will make everything better!
19:17:02 [sbp]
:-)
19:17:19 [SethR]
oh you mean as in 'bullshit'
19:17:33 [sbp]
right. I guess it's a Britishism
19:18:12 [SethR]
anyway i wish i could get my speaktomecatalog pages indexed as fast as this dumb swhack log
19:18:19 [sbp]
actually, Morbus and I have had some inspirational and highly intellectually charged conversations on the subject...
19:18:32 [sbp]
heh. you just need to link to them more often
19:18:40 [sbp]
put them in your .sig!
19:19:04 [SethR]
people would thing it shameless advertising
19:19:16 [sbp]
of course. what else are .sigs for? :-)
19:20:48 [SethR]
thing is wouldnt it goof up the indexing .. i mean when i write as seth@robustai.net im not talking about talking products, but when i write as seth@speaktomecatalog.com i am ... if i mix the two im confusing the public
19:21:56 [SeanP]
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19:22:14 [SeanP]
2001-10-14 15:10:35 <AaronSw> homepage: oh, please. a homepage is a narccistic outlet for getting things you like ranked highly on Google.
19:22:19 [SeanP]
* SeanP prods sbp's client
19:23:22 [SethR]
you could try sending jillzilla chocolates instead
19:23:56 [SeanP]
I could do what with the what now?
19:23:59 [SeanP]
[OLM]
19:24:07 [SeanP]
Aaron, I think something's up with Vorpal
19:24:11 [SeanP]
it won't let me connect
19:24:14 [SeanP]
SeanP is now known as sbp`
19:24:38 [sbp`]
it asked me for ident once, and now it just won't connect at all
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* loggy_1 is logging
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19:28:41 [sbp`]
ugh
19:29:01 [SethR]
* SethR thinks im cute
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Aaron is now known as AaronSw
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19:29:24 [AaronSw]
hi
19:29:26 [AaronSw]
seems like vorpal hiccuped
19:29:28 [SethR]
* SethR names his api module ment
19:29:34 [sbp`]
heh, just a bit...
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19:29:38 [SethR]
* SethR then he can go
19:29:56 [AaroNSw]
AaroNSw is now known as AaronSw
19:30:05 [SethR]
* SethR and the class of graphs = ograph
19:30:13 [SethR]
* SethR so he can go:
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19:30:53 [sbp`]
argh!
19:30:54 [SethR]
* SethR SethBot=ment.ograph()
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19:33:11 [AaronSw]
I wonder whether to move xena to vorpal.
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19:33:37 [AaronSw]
I wonder whether to move xena to vorpal.
19:33:42 [sbp]
right, now we're getting somewhere
19:33:48 [sbp]
er... would they let you?
19:33:56 [sbp]
I guess you'd just run a clone?
19:34:07 [AaronSw]
yeah. since mu2's going daaaaaaaaawn
19:34:12 [sbp]
oh, right
19:34:18 [sbp]
what's up with that?
19:34:23 [sbp]
is it really going for good?
19:34:33 [AaronSw]
nothing is forever with tav
19:34:55 [jillzilla]
jillzilla has changed the topic to: <AaronSw> nothing is forever with tav
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19:35:43 [sbp]
what's deltab going to do?
19:36:03 [AaronSw]
about what?
19:36:11 [sbp]
well, about the connection
19:36:58 [Morbus]
* Morbus finishes up a plugin for blagg,.
19:37:28 [sbp]
.google blagg
19:37:28 [xena]
blagg: http://jkor.com/blagg
19:37:34 [AaronSw]
.google rael blagg
19:37:34 [xena]
rael blagg: http://www.indianmarket.net/kc-artist-roster.html
19:37:40 [Morbus]
bwahaha.
19:37:44 [Morbus]
man, that first page is horrible.
19:37:49 [Morbus]
sbp: http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/lang/perl/blagg/
19:39:37 [AaronSw]
.change 7821 gbp to usd
19:39:37 [xena]
7,821.00 (United Kingdom Pounds (GBP)) makes 11,383.62 (United States Dollars (USD))
19:39:50 [AaronSw]
Wow, that's quita a bit of money.
19:41:35 [AaronSw]
.wn crazy
19:41:36 [xena]
crazy defined as:
19:41:37 [xena]
- adj 1: affected with madness or insanity; "a man who had gone mad" [syn: {brainsick}, {demented}, {distracted}, {disturbed}, {mad}, {sick}, {unbalanced}, {unhinged}]
19:41:39 [xena]
- 2: (informal) foolish; totally unsound; "an impractical solution"; "a crazy scheme"; "half-baked ideas"; "a screwball proposal without a prayer of working" [syn: {half-baked}, {screwball}, {softheaded}]
19:41:40 [xena]
- 3: marked by foolish or unreasoning fondness; "she was crazy about him"; "gaga over the rock group's new album"; "he was infatuated with her" [syn: {dotty}, {gaga}, {enamored}, {infatuated}, {in love}, {smitten}, {soft on(p)}, {taken with(p)}]
19:41:40 [xena]
- 4: (informal) possessed by inordinate excitement; "the crowd went crazy"; "was crazy to try his new bicycle"
19:42:02 [sbp]
yeah, so like tav must be doing his nut over mu2
19:42:32 [AaronSw]
"Tenerife boss Pepé Mel at least provided a bit of entertainment, doing his nut on the sideline when Francisco López Llompart (Xisco to his mates) stepped up"
19:42:46 [AaronSw]
"And of course his FBI partner (across the street from Big Momma's house) is doing his nut when he sees all this on the video camera."
19:42:47 [jillzilla]
Is it a Britishism?
19:42:52 [sbp]
I believe so
19:42:52 [danbri]
* danbri noticed the '#swhack' channel tab turned blue, wonders who takes his name in vain
19:42:58 [jillzilla]
I'm always interested to learn a Britishism I haven't heard before.
19:43:03 [sbp]
danbri: that was *ages* ago!
19:43:17 [jillzilla]
danbri!
19:43:37 [danbri]
heheh
19:43:42 [danbri]
er,
19:44:08 [sbp]
brb
19:45:21 [AaronSw]
Hm, telecon in 15 and I need to get some food.
19:46:31 [AaronSw]
second telecon of the day
19:46:56 [danbri]
-- http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/ -- anyone going to glastonbury festival?
19:46:57 [jillzilla]
I'm about to ask something incredibly embarrassing.
19:46:59 [jillzilla]
What is rdf?
19:47:08 [sbp]
* sbp waves
19:47:12 [sbp]
.google RDF
19:47:13 [xena]
RDF: http://www.w3.org/RDF
19:47:33 [jillzilla]
danbri: That URI just killed mozilla for me.
19:47:46 [sbp]
get a real browser (TM)
19:47:54 [jillzilla]
suggestions?
19:48:01 [sbp]
lynx? :-)
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19:48:11 [sbp]
hey, welcome back rm
19:48:12 [danbri]
yuck
19:48:19 [jillzilla]
I prefer links to lynx.
19:48:44 [redmonk]
hey
19:49:02 [AaronSw]
jillzilla, <plug>http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk</plug> for description of RDF/Semantic Web
19:49:20 [jillzilla]
.acronym rdf
19:49:21 [xena]
rdf: Resource Description Framework (W3C), Radial Distribution Function, Radio Direction Finder, Rapid Deployment Force, Rate Decrease Factor (ATMF), Rate Distortion Function, Reality-Distortion Field (attribute shared by charismatic leaders, like Steve Jobs of Apple Computers where the term originated), Record Definition Field, Recursive Digital Filter, Refuse-Derived Fuel(s), Remote Delivery
19:49:22 [xena]
Facility (Pentagon Renovation Project), Remote Diagnostic Facility, Remote Distribution Frame (Sprint), Repeater Distribution Frame (ITU-T), Resource Description Format, Resource Description Framework, Revised Delivery Forecast, Robust Dependent Fault, Route Designator Field
19:49:23 [danbri]
what is rdf? eek, I'm stuck for a one liner. If you know XML, it's a convention for using XML for semi-structured data exchange. Kinda halfway house between XML's unconstraining notion of well-formedness, and over-constraining notion of DTD/XMLSchema validity.
19:49:37 [AaronSw]
It's a format for serialzing databases.
19:49:44 [jillzilla]
There we go, Resource Description Framework. That's fine. Oh, thanks, danbri, AaronSw.
19:50:01 [Zircon]
jillzilla: You're supposed to be keeping the new google RDF interface quiet
19:50:02 [AaronSw]
It's a framework for describing resources too.
19:50:02 [Zircon]
sheesh
19:50:17 [danbri]
tim bray's piece, http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2001/01/24/rdf.html is a nice intro
19:50:22 [AaronSw]
telecon-10 minutes. time to put some pants on
19:50:37 [danbri]
anyway, its handy for cataloguing photos etc, people...
19:50:40 [jillzilla]
telecon like teleconference? Why wear pants?
19:50:58 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:51:00 [AaronSw]
because my legs are cold
19:51:08 [jillzilla]
Ah, that's a good reason.
19:51:14 [sbp]
independent clauses!
19:51:19 [AaronSw]
And I don't want to splurt milk out of my nose again.
19:51:25 [sbp]
lol
19:51:28 [AaronSw]
like I did on RDF Core.
19:51:40 [jillzilla]
pants prevent nose-splurted milk?
19:51:51 [sbp]
when you wear them on your head, yes
19:51:58 [jillzilla]
Oh, what was I thinking!
19:51:59 [AaronSw]
well, pants make me warm, which means i'm less likely to be cold, which means i'm less likely to sneeze...
19:52:03 [sbp]
:-)
19:52:29 [jillzilla]
sbp: were you thinking of UK pants or US pants?
19:52:49 [sbp]
jill: ah! somewhere in between. having said that, scenes from Blackadder come back to me...
19:53:00 [jillzilla]
sbp: yes! I was thinking of those too!
19:53:01 [jillzilla]
wibble!
19:53:04 [sbp]
heh!
19:53:10 [Morbus]
[[[
19:53:11 [Morbus]
dinnertime when the oven is full of banana muffins ;)
19:53:11 [sbp]
* sbp ^5's Jill
19:53:11 [Morbus]
]]]
19:53:13 [Morbus]
ew.
19:53:25 [Morbus]
[[[
19:53:27 [Morbus]
[15:53] * quasi wishes that Morbus had warned about that .wav - it doesn't work well at dinnertime when the oven is full of banana muffins ;)
19:53:28 [Morbus]
]]]
19:53:30 [Morbus]
there we go.
19:53:38 [AaronSw]
the best description of co-depiction is http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2002/02/paths/allabout.jsp?mbox=mailto%3Ame@aaronsw.com&mbox2=mailto%3Ame@franksinatra.com
19:54:09 [sbp]
no... I still think that sbp => hjs is just the best
19:54:24 [jillzilla]
oh, I suppose this means I should restart mozilla.
19:54:30 [AaronSw]
is that available, sbp?
19:54:31 [sbp]
Morbus: sorry for screwing up your quote deeley...
19:54:38 [sbp]
available: er...
19:54:39 [AaronSw]
arse-waver
19:54:58 [AaronSw]
should add that to the swhack style guide
19:55:05 [AaronSw]
telecon - 5
19:55:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grabs headset
19:55:20 [sbp]
can't find it in FTP, so I'll have to put it up later
19:55:25 [sbp]
ssg: heh,h eh
19:55:27 [sbp]
for now...
19:55:29 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:56:48 [danbri]
* danbri wonders why he's #'ing
20:04:00 [AaronSw]
oh, heh, the conference call is tomorrow!
20:04:20 [AaronSw]
2 today, 2 tomorrow. hm
20:12:03 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sings: X and Y sittin' on IRC. P-R-O-C-R-A-S-T-I-N-A-T-I-N-G. (gotta say the last bit fast)
20:12:57 [AaronSw]
Neat. AMK is looking at autogenerating REST code.
20:13:44 [AaronSw]
<zooko> When I met RM Jr. I said "Hey aren't you the guy who destroyed the Internet?". He repied "Apparently not. It's still there."
20:17:05 [Zircon]
RM Jr. ?
20:17:11 [Zircon]
RetardMan?
20:17:46 [AaronSw]
Robert Morris
20:18:03 [Zircon]
Oh! Hello, duh.
20:18:05 [Zircon]
Sorry.
20:18:10 [Zircon]
I was reading that sentence wrong.
20:18:28 [Zircon]
I thought someone was saying zooko destroyed the Internet.
20:18:31 [Zircon]
ha ha.
20:18:37 [Zircon]
* Zircon kicks zooko for asking that
20:19:05 [Zircon]
I bet RTM has heard that 8,216,821,312,602e9783 times
20:19:10 [AaronSw]
yeah
20:19:26 [Zircon]
RTM did some neat work in Lisp @ viaweb
20:19:39 [AaronSw]
Oh, I didn't know he worked at viaweb. interesting
20:21:12 [walloper]
<lilo> "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world."
20:21:44 [walloper]
<lilo> Please welcome kornbluth.openprojects.net, a hidden hub located somewhere
20:21:52 [AaronSw]
Heh. <somewhere>
20:23:48 [Zircon]
<lilo> we lost it on the intarweb, and are not sure where it went
20:31:02 [sbp]
Aaron: Pro-Cast-Rin-At-I-N-G
20:31:15 [AaronSw]
Hm
20:31:45 [sbp]
Chandler: His is *so* cute! O.K., so what does it mean when they look like the Village People?
20:31:50 [sbp]
s/His/He/
20:32:13 [sbp]
and now back to your regularly scheduled shows
20:32:37 [sbp]
* sbp seems to be deleting an awful lot of FoRK mail lately
20:32:49 [AaronSw]
You mean you actually read that junk?
20:33:02 [sbp]
no. I delete it
20:33:14 [AaronSw]
I have scripts to delete it
20:33:28 [sbp]
oh wow, I think this is the best Spam subject ever:-
20:33:29 [sbp]
"Where's Your 'Germ Spreading' Plunger??"
20:33:33 [AaronSw]
lol
20:33:43 [davb]
are they selling them?
20:33:49 [sbp]
heh, they are indeed
20:34:10 [sbp]
"Introducing P[...]M[...] the world's first decorative ANTIBACTERIAL plunger cover and bathroom DEODORIZER!"
20:34:32 [sbp]
ooh! ooh! send me ten!
20:34:55 [sbp]
.wn plunger
20:34:55 [xena]
plunger defined as:
20:34:56 [xena]
- n 1: someone who risks losses for the possibility of considerable gains [syn: {speculator}]
20:34:57 [xena]
- 2: someone who gambles extravagantly
20:34:58 [xena]
- 3: a part of a machine that has a plunging or thrusting motion [syn: {piston}]
20:36:02 [sbp]
it's sad: it ever so nearly makes sense
20:37:25 [sbp]
6:16 - not bad
20:37:49 [sbp]
we're almost outnumbering the buggers 3 to 1
20:38:12 [AaronSw]
wtf is notZakim doing here?
20:38:18 [sbp]
notSure
20:38:37 [sbp]
it came back on during the Vorpal hiccup
20:38:48 [notZakim]
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20:39:10 [sbp]
3 1/5 to 1!
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ugh
20:39:47 [AaronSw]
heh
20:39:59 [sbp]
ah, actually that evens things out! I'm sure he did that on purpose
20:40:13 [AaronSw]
Heh.
20:41:46 [Morbus]
monk: spelling err on your OORenderers page
20:41:50 [Morbus]
^ redmonk
20:42:17 [Morbus]
redmonk: you around? got some questions.
20:42:57 [sbp]
well color him red and call him a monk. he must be out
20:43:08 [Morbus]
dammit.
20:43:10 [Morbus]
he would do that.
20:43:17 [Morbus]
now i have to keep his bookmark in my root.
20:43:25 [redmonk]
hey
20:43:36 [Morbus]
monk!
20:43:41 [Morbus]
hey, you got some time?
20:43:43 [redmonk]
yo
20:43:47 [redmonk]
sure, a bit
20:43:51 [redmonk]
wazzup
20:43:59 [Morbus]
mmkay: http://www.redmonk.net/stories/omniOutlineRenderers#link0.324100745363
20:44:04 [Morbus]
s/easch/each/
20:44:16 [redmonk]
heh
20:44:22 [Morbus]
secondly: concerning templates. you say you throw the template in your first heading?
20:44:27 [Morbus]
how is the first heading determined?
20:44:30 [redmonk]
in the notes field
20:44:37 [Morbus]
what happens if I sort by a different column?
20:44:44 [redmonk]
of the top-most left-most heading
20:44:45 [redmonk]
hm.
20:44:46 [Morbus]
actually, what happens with different columns?
20:45:05 [redmonk]
this is real simple - no columns are taken into acct
20:45:09 [Zircon]
AaronSw: Yeah.. RTM and Paul Graham co-founded viaweb.
20:45:10 [Zircon]
(iirc)
20:45:11 [redmonk]
simply an outline renderer
20:45:12 [Morbus]
ah. ok.
20:45:21 [AaronSw]
cool
20:45:23 [redmonk]
(not a spreadsheet renderer ;-))
20:45:25 [Morbus]
so, technically, with that in mind, that also answers my sort question.
20:45:33 [redmonk]
bascially
20:45:34 [Morbus]
hey, you shuddup. its not a spreadsheet <g>
20:45:35 [redmonk]
sorry
20:45:42 [Morbus]
don't say sorry. thanks for doing this.
20:45:49 [Morbus]
i hope to actually play with it soon.
20:45:55 [redmonk]
ok
20:45:56 [redmonk]
cool
20:46:51 [redmonk]
anyone here look at Zoe yet?
20:47:05 [redmonk]
http://homepage.mac.com/zoe_info/Education5.html
20:47:18 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:47:41 [redmonk]
cya
20:48:30 [AaronSw]
I donwloaded i, but its confusing
20:48:44 [redmonk]
i can't get it to download
20:49:01 [redmonk]
probably one of those apps where you have to be in the developer's head to get it ;-)
20:52:25 [redmonk]
aaron - would you email me the tgz?
20:52:29 [AaronSw]
actually, i take it back
20:52:39 [AaronSw]
what happens when you try to download?
20:52:39 [redmonk]
you do?
20:52:44 [redmonk]
ugh
20:52:49 [AaronSw]
what?
20:52:51 [redmonk]
it starts, and never finished
20:52:56 [AaronSw]
hm.
20:53:02 [redmonk]
i've tried it a dozen times
20:53:05 [redmonk]
with ie, moz, and curl
20:53:40 [redmonk]
i've never had much luck with itools filesharing
20:53:44 [redmonk]
personally
20:53:51 [AaronSw]
jsut a sec
20:55:15 [AaronSw]
ping me in 2min 30 sec
20:55:47 [redmonk]
k
21:00:13 [redmonk]
heeh
21:00:18 [redmonk]
ping aaronsw
21:00:26 [AaronSw]
heh
21:06:34 [Zircon]
ZOE
21:09:32 [SethR]
.wn dictionary
21:09:32 [xena]
dictionary defined as:
21:09:33 [xena]
- n : a reference book containing an alphabetical list of words with information about them [syn: {lexicon}]
21:17:39 [syn|ack]
good morning all
21:23:32 [walloper]
<lilo> moving utility server, small netsplit
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hello
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22:10:53 [AaronSw]
Heh: "As perhaps you've noticed, this is a wild, wacky time for [deleted]. But then, every time is a wild, wacky time for [deleted]."
22:16:35 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw writes up the story of his trip.
22:17:32 [sbp]
"I went to Boston. Nobody was there. I gave a talk, and went home."
22:17:41 [sbp]
:-)
22:18:13 [sbp]
"plus! plus, I forgot to *tape* the talk, narking Sean off no end"
22:18:46 [sbp]
actually, I'd like to know more about what you did
22:18:51 [sbp]
where will you be publishing it?
22:19:33 [AaronSw]
Probably on my weblog.
22:40:25 [SethR]
.google cluefulness
22:40:26 [xena]
cluefulness: http://2020hindsight.editthispage.com/2000/01/09
22:42:44 [sbp]
interesting word
22:45:11 [SethR]
just read it in the rant about google's soap api ... im obsessed with the first usage of a term ... ive always though that people should get points in life for coining new words that get used
22:45:31 [sbp]
ah, we like etymologies here on swhack
22:45:48 [SethR]
what's that?
22:45:50 [sbp]
cf. one of the sections in http://infomesh.net/geirlyfr
22:45:55 [sbp]
.wn etymology
22:45:56 [xena]
etymology defined as:
22:45:57 [xena]
- n 1: a history of a word
22:45:57 [xena]
- 2: the study of the sources and development of words
22:46:23 [SethR]
relivance to swhack ?
22:47:15 [SethR]
sean, im trying to grok you recommendation: prefix = ([A-Za-z][A-Za-z0-9_]*)? | '_'
22:47:24 [sbp]
swhack is a place where all sorts of bric-a-brac gets thrown about. Etymologies make for good intellectual bric-a-brac
22:47:38 [sbp]
it's just a regular expression
22:47:42 [SethR]
ive noticed
22:47:51 [davb]
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22:48:03 [SethR]
why is the trailing | '_' necessary?
22:48:17 [sbp]
because '_' is the special prefix for bNodes
22:48:30 [SethR]
what does A-Za-z0-9_ imply?
22:48:54 [SethR]
or do all regualr expressions end in _
22:49:03 [AaronSw]
no, it's the _ character
22:49:13 [sbp]
any character in 'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789_'
22:49:38 [SethR]
so why the trailing | _ ?
22:49:52 [SethR]
sorry im just learning about regular expressions
22:49:52 [sbp]
.google site:evolt.com sprocket regular expression
22:49:53 [xena]
no results found.
22:49:57 [sbp]
gah
22:50:06 [sbp]
http://evolt.org/article/Regular_Expression_Basics/20/22700/index.html
22:50:19 [sbp]
the Python documentation is quite good too
22:51:01 [sbp]
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html
22:51:27 [SethR]
i gotta reboot ... bill *ucked up again
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22:52:13 [sbp]
* sbp wonders what/who bill is, and what it/s/he ucked
22:55:48 [sbp]
heh, it was only about a year ago that Aaron was teaching me RegExps. Not even that, in fact
22:56:00 [AaronSw]
Heh, so funny.
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* AaronSw posts his travelogue (sp?)
22:56:24 [sbp]
sp: looks right
22:57:11 [sbp]
heh, this is just so great: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/misc/IMG_1368.JPG/view
22:57:29 [AaronSw]
:-)
22:57:57 [sbp]
whee: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000233
22:58:01 [AaronSw]
alright: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000233
22:58:08 [sbp]
snap
22:58:24 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw fixes a typo
22:58:36 [AaronSw]
ok, time to grab headset. telecon-2
22:59:22 [sbp]
wow, do you have to link to your talk so much? :-)
22:59:50 [AaronSw]
I just linked once.
23:00:09 [sbp]
heh @ "liberate" the terminals
23:00:20 [sbp]
yeah, for like three paragrahps
23:00:35 [AaronSw]
huh? three paragraphs?
23:00:42 [AaronSw]
oh, heh
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hello GabeW
23:02:09 [GabeW]
alo
23:02:18 [sbp]
heh: I looked around for copies of the GPL to be mailed, but didn't find any.
23:02:31 [sbp]
* sbp should use "quotes" more often
23:04:37 [GreenLantern]
"CLIENT EXITED"
23:04:51 [AaronSw]
hm: *** zookochinesefood is now known as zookosimpsons
23:06:06 [sbp]
wow, your trip seemed like a odd time. It's like you went half way across the country and had to potter around
23:06:20 [AaronSw]
.wn potter
23:06:21 [xena]
potter defined as:
23:06:22 [xena]
- n : a craftsman who makes pottery [syn: {ceramicist}, {ceramist}]
23:06:23 [xena]
- v 1: do random, unplanned work or activities [syn: {putter}, {mess around}, {tinker}, {monkey}, {monkey around}, {muck around}]
23:06:23 [xena]
- 2: work lightly; "The old lady is pottering around in the garden" [syn: {putter}]
23:06:24 [xena]
- 3: move around aimlessly [syn: {putter}, {potter around}, {putter around}]
23:06:26 [sbp]
cool stuff about GNU, though, and lol @ the DCMA badges
23:06:38 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw puts on a DMCA button
23:06:48 [sbp]
:-)
23:07:03 [AaronSw]
<telecon>
23:10:31 [sbp]
.google "Y'all come back now!"
23:10:33 [xena]
"Y'all come back now!": http://sngaming.com/majarchgalleria/theme-woodsy.html
23:12:25 [sbp]
Mmmkay
23:14:55 [sbp]
hey, I've just noticed that #swhack has been xoot free for many days now
23:15:56 [GreenLantern]
<xoot> it says it's deleting win98, are you sure it's ok?
23:16:08 [GreenLantern]
<Ash> Yes, those are just the tree files. You're fine
23:16:20 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:17:18 [sbp]
"the continuing saga of xoot, neo, and their tree files"
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i remember reading the "Green Lantern" as a kid...
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23:30:13 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.salon.com/politics/comics/2002/04/13/caribou/index.html
23:35:23 [sbp]
that's just brilliant.
23:36:18 [sbp]
chump, chump, chump, chump, chump!
23:40:34 [GreenLantern]
there should be URL sharing between #infoanarchy and here
23:48:34 [AaronSw]
heh
23:48:40 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.salon.com/politics/comics/2002/04/13/caribou/
23:49:26 [chumpy]
C: http://www.salon.com/politics/comics/2002/04/13/caribou/ from AaronSw
23:49:44 [AaronSw]
C:|George Bush introduces the "Make it Better Button"
23:50:00 [chumpy]
titled item C
23:54:02 [SethR]
do'a wher's the swhack chump page?
23:55:29 [SethR]
oh i found it
23:56:42 [sbp]
datestamped Google search result URIs!
23:57:54 [sbp]
Hmm... you could prove them with Alexa, if the results weren't blocked