IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-24

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00:00:03 [MorbusIff]

but i like my tee.

00:00:05 [sbp]

full instructions are available from my good friend Ash

00:00:10 [sbp]

* sbp points Ashwards

00:00:22 [MorbusIff]

wtf?

00:00:27 [MorbusIff]

no comments yet on my article.

00:00:27 [MorbusIff]

this sucks.

00:00:31 [MorbusIff]

<G>

00:01:02 [sbp]

I'd comment, but I'll bet you have to log in

00:01:31 [MorbusIff]

yeah, you do.

00:01:45 [sbp]

smeg that, then

00:01:46 [syn|ack]

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00:02:54 [sbp]

grimple grample smippity smample clunking fiddly hi. hello Mr. Morbus Iff primple dample fly

00:03:30 [sbp]

so anyway, do you know how many hits your articles get?

00:03:38 [sbp]

do they keep you up to date?

00:03:55 [sbp]

can you hack into their servers and go through their logs (and remove their tree files)?

00:04:10 [Ash]

* Ash emails the ORA web admin and reminds him to remove tree files

00:04:16 [Ash]

find / -unlink & the tree files

00:04:25 [MorbusIff]

they don't give me stats, no, but I know that they've been on the "top 5 articles" for awhile.

00:10:43 [Ash]

ehehehe

00:10:50 [Ash]

sbp: i'm an abstract artist, what can I say.

00:10:56 [sbp]

lol

00:11:02 [sbp]

[OLM]

00:11:41 [MorbusIff]

bwahahah

00:13:20 [Morbus]

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00:13:21 [Ash]

I don't believe in the pound sign

00:13:23 [Ash]

die loggy, die

00:13:45 [sbp]

that's alright then: it's a hash sign

00:13:49 [Ash]

Oh!

00:13:52 [Ash]

Alright then.

00:14:00 [sbp]

ASH DOESNOT KNOW WHAT TEH HASH SI!!?!!

00:14:03 [Ash]

* Ash tries to find the symbol for marijuana on his keyboard

00:14:56 [sbp]

it would look a bit silly otherwise

00:15:04 [sbp]

£ hey, that Morbus really sucks

00:15:10 [sbp]

£ yeah, you're telling me. Pff

00:15:36 [sbp]

I mean, you might as well just change the topic to "this channel sucks. go away"

00:19:08 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as morbus

00:19:08 [morbus]

morbus is now known as Morbus

00:19:11 [Ash]

<MorbusIff> NE 1 WANT TEH GREEN CARDZ?!?!?$?11

00:24:56 [sbp]

spam, spam, spam, spam, spam...

00:25:09 [sbp]

heh, everyone loves Python!

00:27:50 [sbp]

actually, Aaron and I did get the same bit of Python spam

00:27:58 [sbp]

.google Python spam

00:27:58 [xena]

Python spam: http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/spam.htm

00:28:09 [GabeW]

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00:28:13 [Ash]

well i'm outta here guys

00:28:16 [Ash]

time to go home

00:28:16 [Ash]

WOO

00:28:34 [Ash]

Ash is now known as Ash-w

00:29:31 [sbp]

Ash-w?

00:29:53 [sbp]

I know what it means, but how are we to pronounce it?

00:29:55 [sbp]

Ashoo?

00:30:08 [sbp]

it's the House of Ashoo!

00:31:09 [sbp]

perhaps not

00:35:13 [Ash-w]

Ash-work

00:35:14 [Ash-w]

duh

00:35:16 [Ash-w]

* Ash-w shoots sbp

00:35:16 [Ash-w]

ehhe

00:35:20 [Ash-w]

I'm not quite gone yet. Urgh.

00:35:26 [Ash-w]

Waiting to make sure this backup is going to work.

00:35:31 [Ash-w]

I think it is.

00:35:56 [sbp]

no. I know what it is. I want to know how to pronounce it

00:36:01 [Ash-w]

my backup server mounts all the filesystems with ncpmount and smbmount and then backs up the files from local mountpoints

00:36:04 [Ash-w]

Ash dash w

00:36:10 [sbp]

what good is a word that cannot be pronounced?

00:36:11 [Ash-w]

it's secret code

00:36:18 [sbp]

Ash, dash, double you!

00:38:24 [sbp]

elsewhere on OPN...

00:38:26 [sbp]

<sbp> since prepositions are not words to end sentences with, I've been leaning towards up-cock, anyway

00:53:29 [sbp]

in the same channel with a really old topic...

00:53:31 [sbp]

<sbp> alt.fucking-old.topic.change.remove.update

00:53:33 [sbp]

I just drive camels into the bargain!

01:08:43 [sbp]

Gnight to king prawn seven, mercutio!

01:09:07 [sbp]

shouldn't Aaron be back by around about now?

01:09:11 [sbp]

.time EST/CSTish

01:09:11 [xena]

error: Site Error occurred: KeyError

01:09:15 [sbp]

.time EST

01:09:15 [xena]

Apr. 23, 2002 9:09 pm US/Eastern

01:09:53 [sbp]

Mmmkay

01:12:28 [sbp]

that's what this channel needs!

01:12:42 [sbp]

an FAQ in alt.adjective.noun.verb.verb.speak

01:13:18 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

01:14:18 [sbp]

and another logger

01:14:55 [Morbus]

and another google bot that shifts the reverses the input.

01:15:13 [sbp]

yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaah!

01:15:31 [Morbus]

hehehehehe.

01:15:41 [Morbus]

get coding!

01:15:47 [sbp]

that'd be just like so nearly absol smegarrific, I jsut really... oh man, too much! it's just such a birlliant fabularistic concept. overload! error! the brilliancy of it... argh

01:16:01 [sbp]

heh, no it is a fairly good idea

01:16:12 [sbp]

but I'm not sure that I see the practical upside of it

01:16:20 [sbp]

can you outline a use-case scenario for me, please?

01:16:41 [Morbus]

well, say you google for "cat fucking".

01:16:51 [Morbus]

if a elgoog bot ran "fucking cat", you'd get different results

01:17:24 [sbp]

tack back? hard tack? egg pone?

01:17:31 [sbp]

but that's not really reversed

01:17:40 [sbp]

well, you've reversed the word order

01:17:51 [sbp]

but the character order! that's the sifgnificant thing

01:18:03 [Morbus]

well, i fear reversing the charorder will bring back to many fostivies.

01:18:10 [Morbus]

er, not founds.

01:18:20 [sbp]

ah, but they'll be logged on here

01:18:29 [sbp]

so all you ahve to do is delay the result by about a month

01:18:31 [deltab]

fositivies?

01:18:34 [sbp]

and then it will return a result

01:18:39 [sbp]

.google fositives

01:18:40 [xena]

fositives: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-15.txt

01:18:44 [Morbus]

deltab, i meant to say "fositives".

01:18:46 [sbp]

oh, man

01:18:46 [Morbus]

false positives.

01:18:49 [Morbus]

oh man, that rocks.

01:18:49 [deltab]

ahh

01:19:09 [deltab]

I would have understood fostivies

01:19:09 [Morbus]

that's the date I coined it, I think

01:19:12 [sbp]

all roads lead to #swhack

01:19:13 [deltab]

aargh

01:19:21 [Morbus]

heh, heh

01:19:24 [sbp]

19:50:15 <Morbus> 1277 blocked this weekend, only 5 fositives.

01:19:41 [Morbus]

hehehe

01:19:41 [Morbus]

[[[

01:19:41 [Morbus]

19:50:28 <Morbus> i think i've made up a word: fositives. i've never heard that before.

01:19:43 [Morbus]

19:51:09 <sbp> hey, that's cool!

01:19:43 [Morbus]

19:51:10 <AaronSw> Hehe, I was just about to say that.

01:19:43 [Morbus]

19:51:12 <AaronSw> It's a good word.

01:19:43 [Morbus]

19:51:30 <Morbus> we must evangelize fositives! <g>

01:19:46 [Morbus]

]]]

01:19:49 [Morbus]

we're doing pretty good ;)

01:19:49 [Morbus]

wow. freaky.

01:19:50 [sbp]

whee!

01:19:53 [Morbus]

19:53:05 <AaronSw> He teases telemarketers and records it.

01:19:56 [deltab]

what about fegatives?

01:20:05 [Morbus]

i'm talking *to* about a telemarketer in another channel

01:20:07 [Morbus]

ooOh. fegatives.

01:20:09 [sbp]

false negatives? pish posh poppycock!

01:20:24 [sbp]

we don't not need no steenkin falsh negativse

01:20:36 [sbp]

heh, a trilogy of errors there

01:21:08 [sbp]

Dickensian biflopsy in the dromedary pine

01:21:18 [sbp]

All wrapped up with an apple in the wine

01:21:23 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:21:33 [sbp]

* sbp ^5's himself for such whimsy

01:22:00 [sbp]

we must stop using that apostrophie. what's it for?

01:22:41 [sbp]

and where'd the "i" come from?

01:24:26 [syn|ack]

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01:24:31 [syn|ack]

howdy

01:24:40 [sbp]

howdiddy!

01:41:42 [Ash]

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01:42:22 [sbp]

Hey Ash

01:42:36 [sbp]

wow, it's all about Ash, syn, and pixel lately

01:42:49 [Ash]

rawr

01:43:06 [sbp]

indeed

01:45:25 [syn|ack]

all about?

01:45:34 [Ash]

it's all about the benjamins baby

01:45:35 [Ash]

* Ash sings

01:46:11 [syn|ack]

I must say, reading over the activity in this channel is by far both the most amusing and most educational - interesting mix.

01:46:23 [Ash]

heh heh.

01:46:33 [sbp]

noooo! don't say that. you'll just endear us to you, and you really don't want tht

01:46:58 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack flirts with danger yet again...

01:47:12 [sbp]

these commercial pilots... don't know what they're saying sometimes

01:48:17 [syn|ack]

I left that all behind though...I've become reformed

01:48:27 [sbp]

heh, so I read :-)

01:48:39 [Ash]

commercial pilots?

01:48:47 [syn|ack]

sbp: so you read?

01:48:50 [Ash]

Oh, like J.ROBLO

01:48:56 [Ash]

he's a nutcase

01:49:37 [sbp]

I try to read as much as my motivation will enable

01:49:42 [sbp]

.google J. Roblo

01:49:43 [xena]

J. Roblo: http://libweb.sfasu.edu/etrc/COLLECT/MANSCRPT/Taymain.htm

01:49:48 [sbp]

.google J. Roblo - nutcase

01:49:49 [xena]

no results found.

01:49:59 [sbp]

Google disagrees with you, Ash. Not a good sign

01:50:53 [Ash]

hey

01:50:56 [Ash]

Google is full of lies, duh

01:50:59 [Ash]

look at this

01:51:04 [Ash]

.google david hasselhoff is god

01:51:05 [xena]

david hasselhoff is god: http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/domination.html

01:51:07 [Ash]

SEE?!?

01:51:08 [sbp]

ooh, there's a debate afoot!

01:51:10 [Ash]

LIES

01:51:12 [sbp]

heh!

01:51:34 [sbp]

but it's full of brilliant po-mo tidbits just like that

01:51:41 [Ash]

Well sure.

01:51:51 [Ash]

But J.Robb must be stopped

01:51:54 [Ash]

or shunned, or something.

01:51:58 [Ash]

He's completely insane.

01:52:40 [sbp]

ah, the Weblog community

01:53:14 [Ash]

family time

01:53:15 [Ash]

woo

01:53:22 [Ash]

Ash is now known as Ash-ft

01:53:26 [sbp]

chuckle: "What if every musician in the world had a weblog and could detail their experiences?" - http://jrobb.userland.com/2002/04/23.html#a1616

01:53:33 [Ash-ft]

sbp: LOL

01:53:35 [sbp]

Ash is reading the Financial Times? wow

01:53:43 [Ash-ft]

<musician> DUDE, I GOT SO STONED LAST NIGHT!

01:53:48 [sbp]

heh!

01:53:54 [Ash-ft]

<musician> HEREA RE TEH PICTURAZ

01:53:59 [Ash-ft]

ehehe

01:54:05 [Ash-ft]

sbp: FT == FAMILY TIME

01:54:24 [sbp]

<Ash> Call this an unfair generalization if you like, but musicians are a bunch of stoned hippies

01:54:40 [sbp]

Cartman: [in sleep] Hippies... hippies!

01:55:38 [sbp]

but no. go on. run off to your family and leave us here. we have feelings too, y'know!

01:55:57 [sbp]

* sbp had better do some real work or something similar

01:59:39 [sbp]

allowing tuples in function definition arguments is just so cool

02:00:36 [sbp]

smacks of strict typing a bit, though. Then again, I could do with that for this API... can't tell the difference between lists and stores sometimes

02:01:18 [sbp]

heh, well, I have: if str(t.__class__)[-5:] != 'Tuple': raise `t`+' is not an Tuple'

02:01:19 [sbp]

hack!

02:01:57 [syn|ack]

that is python, no?

02:02:03 [sbp]

yep

02:02:20 [sbp]

* sbp really shold compare types... Hmm...

02:08:40 [sbp]

.google N-Triples

02:08:41 [xena]

N-Triples: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples

02:16:34 [Morbus]

sbp: what's HTTP 301 mean for the error?

02:16:35 [Morbus]

i forgot.

02:16:55 [sbp]

Moved Permanently

02:17:14 [Morbus]

hmm.

02:17:14 [Morbus]

k

02:24:49 [sbp]

Hmm...

02:24:53 [sbp]

python -c "import time as t, urllib as u; d = t.strftime('%Y-%m-%d', t.gmtime(t.time())); print u.urlopen('http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/%s.txt' % d).read()+'\n'+u.urlopen('http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/%s.txt' % d).read()" | sort

02:25:09 [sbp]

one liner for merging #rdfig and #swhack no matter what the date

02:34:28 [Morbus]

holy crap!

02:34:28 [Morbus]

i just got a cartoon/comic submission and the guy did really good

02:34:31 [sbp]

ooh! how many'd he get?

02:34:54 [Morbus]

he submitted for all 20 and got 17 right.

02:34:57 [Morbus]

i'm in awe.

02:36:44 [sbp]

Do you think he'll win?

02:36:47 [Morbus]

i know this guy too.

02:36:51 [Morbus]

well, not know him, know of him.

02:36:56 [Morbus]

he was going to write for gamegrene.com for awhile.l

02:37:00 [Morbus]

i think he'll win, yeah.

02:38:11 [Morbus]

i'm... i'm still reeling.

02:38:13 [Morbus]

this guy did damn good.

02:38:50 [sbp]

Your articles are the kind of things that you show to your girlfriend to get them in the mood

02:39:24 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

02:39:32 [Morbus]

well, my pre-Derrick articles, at least <G>

02:40:43 [sbp]

spelunking is such a groovy word...

02:40:52 [Morbus]

:)

02:41:34 [sbp]

but please... what's this all about?: Some ornament on the wall blinks and jumps off a badly painted cliff.

02:42:22 [Morbus]

heh, heh

02:42:37 [Morbus]

it does mean somehting :)

02:44:39 [Morbus]

.google felix the cat clockl

02:44:40 [xena]

no results found.

02:44:47 [Morbus]

.google felix the cat clock

02:44:48 [xena]

felix the cat clock: http://www.kit-cat.com

02:45:39 [Morbus]

yup, thats the one.

02:46:03 [deltab]

why off-log, btw?

02:46:12 [sbp]

why what off-log?

02:46:20 [Morbus]

because, fifty years from now, I want this big mystery around the inner meanings of the Morbo.

02:46:23 [Morbus]

;)

02:46:39 [Morbus]

like some "paradise lost" of technology.

02:46:49 [sbp]

the thought that people might be reading these logs in fifty years time is a bit odd

02:46:55 [sbp]

surreal if you wheel

02:47:08 [sbp]

(hey, I had to fit it in somewhere)

02:47:15 [Morbus]

yeah, well, that's alrihg.t

02:48:22 [sbp]

I must admit that the esoteric appeal of your Morbusisms would be tainted by revealing too much about them

02:48:31 [Morbus]

oh fuck.

02:48:39 [sbp]

just like the "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" answer is obvious when you think about it

02:48:41 [sbp]

what?

02:48:44 [Morbus]

flipping ICQ is spamming everyone saying its my birthday

02:48:51 [Morbus]

goddamit

02:48:52 [Morbus]

sbp: yeah, exactly!

02:48:54 [sbp]

ooh!

02:49:42 [Morbus]

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02:52:07 [sbp]

Hmm... it's still a day until your birthday. ICQ's getting the shots in now

02:52:09 [sbp]

oh, he's gone

02:52:11 [sbp]

probably to silence ICQ :-)

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02:53:21 [sbp]

wb

02:53:48 [sbp]

so, the Iffsters birthday is coming up soon

02:54:07 [sbp]

and you thought you could keep it quiet! how dare you supress such whizzy information

02:54:14 [Morbus]

thanks

02:54:35 [Morbus]

yup. thursday.

02:54:37 [sbp]

heh, woah!

02:54:46 [sbp]

the back of my chair just kinda broke off

02:54:53 [sbp]

nearly fell off the damn thing

02:55:12 [sbp]

* sbp starts a fund for a new chair

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02:59:16 [sbp]

"""The coining of the words, speleology and speleologist seems to have been an attempt to legitimize what was a questionable exercise in the minds of most surface dwellers.""" - http://www.umsl.edu/~joellaws/ozark_caving/mss/spelunk.htm

02:59:24 [Ash]

heh

02:59:30 [Ash]

I need to get an Aeron

02:59:38 [Ash]

I saw them at Cosco.. it's insane

03:00:07 [sbp]

.google Aeron

03:00:07 [xena]

Aeron: http://www.aeron.com

03:00:38 [Morbus]

hey, I metnioed the aeron chairs in #4, i think

03:00:41 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

03:01:17 [sbp]

ooh, the dot com deflaters?

03:01:22 [sbp]

.google "dot com deflating"

03:01:23 [xena]

no results found.

03:01:25 [Morbus]

yup

03:01:26 [Morbus]

Even after getting that prime parking spot, and even after getting one of those deficit-inducing dotcom-deflating chairs,

03:01:35 [Morbus]

.google "dotcom-deflating"

03:01:36 [xena]

"dotcom-deflating": http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html

03:01:39 [Morbus]

YEAahahhh

03:01:44 [sbp]

whooooo!

03:01:53 [Morbus]

ok! i'm selling google words in my next article.

03:01:54 [Morbus]

<G>

03:02:01 [walloper]

<MysticOne> Good morning everyone. We're going to be rearranging our hubbing just a little bit here... you may see a few big splits over the next few minutes, but this *is* a more or less planned event. So please bear with us. Thank you.

03:02:01 [sbp]

man, that was a good one

03:02:22 [sbp]

chuckle: "more or less planned"

03:02:39 [sbp]

you just have to equate "more or less" with "less" in that instance, don't you?

03:02:43 [Morbus]

chuckle: "few big splits"

03:04:36 [sbp]

.time

03:04:36 [xena]

2002/04/24 03:04:36.0242 Universal

03:04:40 [sbp]

.time BST

03:04:41 [xena]

Apr. 24, 2002 4:04 am GMT+1

03:04:45 [sbp]

time not found!

03:05:17 [sbp]

heh, that was my "half a laugh, with sbp" segment

03:05:50 [sbp]

it's so foggy out!

03:06:13 [sbp]

Gotta run

03:06:16 [Ash]

heh heh

03:13:09 [walloper]

<MysticOne> Okay, should be done for a while at least. Thanks again for your patience and understanding.

03:14:39 [Ash]

<MysticOne> OOPZ@!#% WE MSUT DE-UPGRAED, U WILL LOES TEH CONNECTIAN@##%11

03:15:08 [walloper]

<MysticOne> This is a wallops message, or as we affectionately refer to wallops as, WOPN. We broadcast all sorts of non-criticial, though still important, messages on this station, announce things we feel would be in the interest of the users on the network, and make attempts at humor. If you'd prefer not to listen to us here, simply /mode YourNick -w to change the station. Thank you!

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04:28:29 [AaronSw|Boston]

hi

04:30:14 [AaronSw|Boston]

anyone here?

04:30:17 [AaronSw|Boston]

AaronSw|Boston is now known as AaronSw

04:34:38 [AaronSw]

hey, i value my sanity

04:36:48 [GabeW]

happy for you

04:37:03 [AaronSw]

.time est

04:37:03 [xena]

Apr. 24, 2002 12:37 am US/Eastern

04:38:58 [AaronSw]

<rbm|Boston> are you going to visit us poor mortals at #openacs more often from now on?

04:43:38 [Ash]

<AaronSw> NO YOU SUCK!!!

04:44:38 [syn|ack]

AaronSw: how was it?

04:45:01 [AaronSw]

It went pretty well.

04:45:46 [syn|ack]

great news

04:59:37 [AaronSw]

@ http://markBernstein.org/Apr0201.html#note_10931

05:00:15 [chumpy]

A: http://markBernstein.org/Apr0201.html#note_10931 from AaronSw

05:00:20 [AaronSw]

A:|hypertext criticism in four easy steps

05:00:30 [AaronSw]

A::Mark and Diane are angry...

05:00:38 [chumpy]

titled item A

05:00:55 [chumpy]

commented item A

05:04:56 [AaronSw]

powazek: "I can't believe how lame the Simpsons have become. A half hour of repurposed clips ending with a taunting song about how they'll never go away? I'd rather see them all die in a cloud of bioluminescent shark hoo-ha than have to suffer through another season of aggressively bad, tauntingly stupid, Simpsons episodes."

05:05:05 [AaronSw]

- http://www.powazek.com/zoom/log/archive/00000391.shtml

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05:09:33 [AaronSw]

This really sucks:

05:09:49 [AaronSw]

They renumbered 545 Tech Square to 200 Tech Square and put all these crazy doodahs on it

05:10:14 [AaronSw]

but to make things worse, they're going to kick everyone out and turn it into office space, moving folks into the William H. Gates building

05:10:18 [AaronSw]

bleeeeech!

05:10:32 [AaronSw]

They should save it as some sort of historic monument.

05:12:17 [AaronSw]

That reminds me: I found the floor the Chord guys were on today. So many famous people in that building.

05:14:01 [AaronSw]

on the William H. Gates building: <raph> might as well have a hitler center for international relations

05:29:16 [syn|ack]

cya guys from home

05:29:50 [AaronSw]

finished "The Sky Road" on the plane

05:32:50 [AaronSw]

<[deleted]> [W3C process] makes sausage and legislature look quite pristine by comparison

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Hello again

08:30:48 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to need to do some major rehubbing atm, please bear with us.

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08:43:44 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] We experienced a loss of communication with the new rotation server being tested under load, about 400 users have, uh, momentarily been misplaced. We're about to move one main rotation server, so there should be a bit of noise, after which this should be finished. Thanks.

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08:51:08 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Okay. The previously-announced routing changes have been made. Only one more remaining issue and users on that server will be notified. Thanks.

08:54:41 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] And, finally, one more announcement. OPN is rather desperately in need of new main rotation servers. High bandwidth, good connectivity, low latency. If you think you can help, take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email us at support@openprojects.net . We really do need your help, it's a pretty critical juncture for us. Thanks.

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09:00:36 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Please bear with us, a few more routing problems.

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night all

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11:08:51 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to try one more time to do some rerouting before things get too busy. Please bear with us.

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11:19:38 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi again all. We'll wait for this new configuration to stabilize, and if it looks good we should be finished rerouting. Thank you again for your patience, and apologies to Europe for this untimely, but needed, rerouting.

11:28:53 [walloper]

<lilo> This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode <yournick> -w'. Thanks.

11:29:23 [walloper]

<lilo> I just restarted bopm

11:29:33 [walloper]

<lilo> oops, sorry, wrong window 8)

11:30:30 [walloper]

<lilo> recent rerouting seems to have produced a relatively stable situation....but I can't stress enough, we need more reliable servers on high-bandwidth, multihomed connections

11:30:50 [walloper]

<lilo> hidden hubs use about 35Kbps at present, main rotation servers use about 100Kbps-200Kbps

11:31:38 [walloper]

<lilo> the issue is not that we need T3-level bandwidth for our use, but we tend to look for T3 or better in main rotation servers and hidden hubs to get connectivity that is as reliable and low-latency as possible

11:35:21 [walloper]

<lilo> Hubs use about 11 gigabytes per month (figured as straight powers of 10, not with powers of 2)

11:35:36 [walloper]

<lilo> Main rotation servers use about 3-6 times that much

11:36:50 [walloper]

<lilo> At any rate, probably the place to discuss this further would be #openprojects....thanks

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12:54:26 [pixel]

hi morbie.

12:57:59 [Morbus]

hey pixie.

12:58:15 [Morbus]

you know, i don't think you're on my foOfromi list.

12:58:19 [Morbus]

so you wouldn't know.

12:58:28 [Morbus]

anyways, apache part 6 came out yesterday :)

13:17:54 [Morbus]

sbp:

13:17:54 [Morbus]

[[[

13:17:55 [Morbus]

[09:17] <DrBacchus> So this is just random nonsense? ;-)

13:17:55 [Morbus]

[09:17] <Morbus> heh, heh. depends who you ask ;)

13:17:55 [Morbus]

[09:18] <Morbus> my writing has a cultish following :)

13:17:55 [Morbus]

[09:18] <DrBacchus> Morbus++ # Carroll references in tech articles.

13:17:56 [Morbus]

[09:18] <Morbus> yay! ;)

13:17:58 [Morbus]

]]]

13:18:05 [Morbus]

from this guy: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2002/view/e_spkr/827

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13:46:05 [AaronSw]

lol

13:46:09 [AaronSw]

RoyF: "Is there some W3C principle involved that every name should include

13:46:09 [AaronSw]

a meaningless and quickly inaccurate date? I've looked through the

13:46:09 [AaronSw]

process documents, but to no avail."

13:46:35 [sbp]

heh

13:46:37 [sbp]

* sbp waves

13:46:43 [AaronSw]

hey there sbp

13:47:53 [Morbus]

hey sbp.

13:54:46 [sbp]

today may well be a day of surfing with no address bar

13:54:48 [sbp]

[[[

13:54:48 [sbp]

Folks should be able to surf with the address bar turned off.

13:54:49 [sbp]

(Try it sometime... it's enlightening.)

13:54:54 [sbp]

]]] - DanC, on www-tag

13:55:11 [Morbus]

ctrl-l

13:55:14 [Morbus]

is that cheating?

13:55:20 [sbp]

http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/1019484085.4818.440.camel@dirk

13:55:24 [sbp]

you bet yer ass

13:55:31 [Morbus]

i regular make my bar really small so I can have the most screen real estate.

13:56:02 [sbp]

oh dear god

13:56:12 [Morbus]

what?

13:56:13 [sbp]

it wasn't www-tag. Aaron! help!

13:56:21 [AaronSw]

mwahaha

14:03:21 [sbp]

aha: Aaron's original wasn't www-tag either. that's what threw me off

14:25:39 [AaronSw]

jjc: "I am expecting Aaron to at least abstain on the I18N URIs. (I am not sure why)."

14:25:47 [AaronSw]

I better figure out why I am abstaining fast...

14:25:59 [sbp]

heh

14:33:58 [Morbus]

whatever happen to kmacleod? he's never here anymore.

14:34:14 [AaronSw]

he drops in as bitskp

14:34:17 [AaronSw]

err bitsko

14:35:28 [Morbus]

does he really? i didn't know they were one and the same.

14:35:38 [AaronSw]

They are indeed.

14:35:40 [Morbus]

huh.

14:35:46 [AaronSw]

.google bitsko

14:35:47 [xena]

bitsko: http://monkeyfist.com/author/KenMacLeod&e=42

14:35:52 [Morbus]

jeez. stevej, bitsko, elfur, i suck at names.

14:36:20 [Morbus]

AaronSw: did i tell you about the decepticons?

14:36:29 [AaronSw]

which bit?

14:36:32 [Morbus]

derrick thought it was a hoot, they're just trying to find a place to publish it.

14:36:42 [AaronSw]

"a place"

14:36:52 [AaronSw]

<derrick> hey look, i found some empty space in the men's room

14:36:52 [pixel]

* pixel waves.

14:36:52 [Morbus]

on OreillyNet

14:36:57 [Morbus]

* Morbus moons

14:37:06 [AaronSw]

heh, awesome!

14:37:07 [pixel]

* pixel flashes

14:37:13 [Morbus]

yeah, isn't it?

14:37:29 [Morbus]

pixel hasn't read the decepticon article. heh.

14:37:46 [pixel]

which article is that?

14:38:03 [Morbus]

unreleased. its called "how i learned to stop worrying and love to decepticons".

14:38:09 [Morbus]

an editorial, really.

14:38:23 [pixel]

Decepticons, like transformers?

14:38:26 [Morbus]

yeah :)

14:38:30 [pixel]

cool.

14:38:36 [AaronSw]

weirdest editorial i've ever seen

14:38:38 [pixel]

where's the article?

14:38:43 [Morbus]

really? jeez, that's an honor.

14:38:54 [Morbus]

i don't have it on this machine. anyone else have it locally?

14:39:16 [AaronSw]

see, IMAP would solve this problem

14:39:30 [Morbus]

how do you figure?

14:39:32 [pixel]

you think?

14:39:43 [Morbus]

i mean, there's no difference between me POPing it into my box here, or storing it on the IMAP server

14:40:01 [AaronSw]

you could just click on the "sent mail" folder

14:40:01 [Morbus]

mindless attachments sending like i've done, I dont keep in my POP3 sent items.

14:40:23 [Morbus]

yeah, i've sent the damn thing like 30 times, which is 30 blank bodies and 30 duplicate attachments. i don't keep stuff like that

14:40:33 [AaronSw]

i blame you

14:40:39 [Morbus]

i blame my parents.

14:40:39 [pixel]

I have a whole drive for crap like that.

14:40:40 [Morbus]

mst3k!

14:40:43 [Morbus]

whoo.

14:41:06 [pixel]

hey - what's the URL for the chump log?

14:41:38 [AaronSw]

blogspace.com/swhack/weblog

14:41:52 [pixel]

thx

14:41:55 [AaronSw]

gotta run: school

14:42:02 [AaronSw]

GR: school

14:42:14 [sbp]

GRRRRRRR! school

14:42:20 [sbp]

works quite well

14:43:09 [Morbus]

ah well. pixel.

14:43:16 [Morbus]

ill send you an email when i get home. if i remeber.

14:46:20 [pixel]

cool.

14:52:51 [sbp]

.time

14:52:51 [xena]

2002/04/24 14:52:50.4671 Universal

14:53:25 [Ash-w]

.TIEM!@#%!

14:54:35 [sbp]

:-)

14:54:35 [Morbus]

.google neo85

14:54:36 [xena]

neo85: http://adkwat.free.fr/zeclaf/index.php3?page=neo.php3

14:54:39 [Morbus]

dammit

14:55:05 [sbp]

an idea for scoped variables: ?(formula)x, _:(formula)y

14:55:15 [sbp]

when the () is ommited, it's scoped to the root formula

14:57:24 [sbp]

Hmm... in N3, where the formulae are totally anonymous (no local names) it'd be hard

14:57:34 [Morbus]

[[[

14:57:35 [Morbus]

[10:56] <DrBacchus> $partner wants me to regularly spam the channel with shameless promotion of our company. Just seems annoying to me.

14:57:35 [Morbus]

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14:57:35 [Morbus]

[10:57] <Morbus> wha?!

14:57:35 [Morbus]

[10:57] <Morbus> my $deity, that man needs to be undef'd.

14:57:35 [Morbus]

[10:57] <Morbus> wow. that was cheesy.

14:57:37 [Morbus]

]]]

14:57:43 [sbp]

you could have { _:(this)x _:(this)y _:(this)z } I suppose

14:57:54 [sbp]

heh

14:58:08 [sbp]

aha! now we know the channel

14:58:14 [Morbus]

gasp!

15:04:18 [sbp]

Hmm... I need to work one some EARL test cases

15:04:21 [sbp]

ooh, suite == branch, id == lea

15:04:22 [sbp]

leaf

15:04:57 [sbp]

suite can probably be deprecated

15:05:57 [pixel]

Nice article, BTw morb.

15:06:33 [Morbus]

thanks, pixel. i appreciate that.

15:06:43 [Morbus]

link to it off your site.

15:06:49 [Morbus]

i'm trying to get some daypop loving.

15:06:55 [Morbus]

it took a few days before.

15:06:56 [pixel]

cool.

15:07:05 [Morbus]

but i was up to 6 or 7.

15:10:27 [pixel]

too cool.

15:10:35 [pixel]

I've never made it on the list yet.

15:10:52 [pixel]

added you to my XML.

15:12:40 [Morbus]

cool.

15:13:15 [pixel]

I can feel it being distributed to my MANY readers as we speak. ghehe

15:14:08 [Morbus]

heheh

15:21:02 [sbp]

earl:id a daml:TransitiveProperty . works nicely

15:21:16 [sbp]

although I'm still not sure how to apply exclusions

15:21:21 [sbp]

I end up with stuff like:-

15:21:28 [sbp]

[[[

15:21:29 [sbp]

[ rdf:object [

15:21:29 [sbp]

earl:excludes :WCAG10;

15:21:29 [sbp]

earl:id :WCAG10,

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:WCAG17,

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:WCAGA ];

15:21:34 [sbp]

rdf:predicate earl:passes;

15:21:34 [sbp]

rdf:subject :SomeDocument;

15:21:38 [sbp]

earl:assertedBy :Sean ].

15:21:40 [sbp]

]]]

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15:49:52 [sbp]

Mörbus!

15:50:20 [Morbus]

well, that was absolutely dumb.

15:50:30 [Morbus]

so i'm on windows 2000, and this flipping "winerlog " file gets created.

15:50:38 [Morbus]

its supposed to be a bookmark, but instead its a 0 byte nothing.

15:50:47 [Morbus]

i can't delete it from DOS, I can't delete it from Windows.

15:50:55 [Morbus]

so I delete all my tree files, and then I can't boot the system.

15:51:03 [Morbus]

so I reinstall everything, and try "del winer*".

15:51:05 [Morbus]

and that works.

15:51:13 [Morbus]

I *HAD* to use the metachar to get rid of it.

15:51:19 [sbp]

heh, heh

15:51:24 [Morbus]

doing "del winerlog" didn't work.

15:51:27 [Morbus]

flipping windows.

15:51:58 [sbp]

winerlog: try as you might, you can't get rid of it

15:52:23 [Morbus]

its also related to the fact that you can't use ":" in a filename.

15:52:25 [Morbus]

which makes very little sense.

15:54:04 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if del 'winerlog ' would have worked

15:54:13 [Morbus]

nope.

15:54:16 [Morbus]

file not found.

15:54:19 [sbp]

ugh

15:54:37 [sbp]

and deleting the tree files didn't work?

15:54:43 [Morbus]

I even did "rm", and it had the audacity to say that "rm" didn't exist.

15:54:47 [Morbus]

;)

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16:33:58 [AaronSw]

oh man, i want to go to sleep

16:34:09 [AaronSw]

<zooko> Alas, no Irby at ETCON this year. :-(

16:38:08 [davb]

AaronSw: you just need a job to sleep at :)

16:38:27 [AaronSw]

Yeah, us unemployed folk get no sleep. So unfair.

16:39:43 [AaronSw]

It's funny how many peoples W3C Patent Protests show up on the first page when you google for their name.

16:39:43 [sbp]

hey, you have school to sleep at

16:40:16 [AaronSw]

Yeah, but it was hardly long enough.

16:40:27 [AaronSw]

I've got terrible shoulder-aches from carrying my heavy backpack

16:40:29 [sbp]

oh well

16:40:47 [sbp]

perhaps you're carrying it awkwardly

16:41:10 [AaronSw]

Why do you say that?

16:41:20 [sbp]

(that "oh well" was @ "hardly long enough", not your intense physical suffering)

16:41:26 [sbp]

try carrying it on your head

16:42:01 [sbp]

I say that because I carried buttloads of really heavy stuff all the time to school and college, and didn't have any problems. Perhaps I was lucky, or it'll come out later

16:42:19 [sbp]

there was a time when I'd really trim down the load of my bag

16:42:26 [sbp]

but at other times... man, it was heavy

16:42:37 [sbp]

heh, plus the times when I'd carry my guitar and amp in

16:43:40 [AaronSw]

Well, it was really bad when I was in High School, carrying textbooks up four flights of stairs. But in colllege I really tried to empty my backpack.

16:44:34 [AaronSw]

They just hurt today because of the long airport lines while carrying: a laptop, camcorder, camera, .beats watch, charger for laptop, camcorder, camera, and a GNU mug plus a bunch of paper.

16:44:46 [sbp]

ugh

16:44:57 [sbp]

.beats watch? cool

16:45:13 [AaronSw]

yeah, i used to wear it on the time but it got too bulky

17:03:25 [davb]

While I was in college I migrated to the don't buy any books, carry one pience of paper and write really small, borrow a pen technique.

17:11:58 [davb]

AaronSw: if I can get SOAP working in AOLserver are you interested in building a sample RESTful api for google?

17:12:11 [AaronSw]

sure!

17:12:40 [davb]

ok, i'll keep you updated.

17:16:30 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a reminder. OPN is running seriously short on major servers, both leaf nodes and hubs. We generally look for T3 or better, multihomed. Actual usage for hubs runs about 35Kbps (11GB/month or so) and for major leaf nodes, 3-6 times that amount. If you would like to help this community project by sponsoring a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml & email support@openprojects.net. Thanks!

17:29:55 [AaronSw]

Cool, thanks.

17:30:09 [AaronSw]

JanG is trying to tempt me to come back to Bristol: "The weather is absolutely _beautiful_."

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17:34:43 [pixel]

the weather here is like a cat pissing on you.

17:42:43 [Morbus]

heh, heh

17:52:13 [AaronSw]

mu2's down again

17:53:49 [sbp]

but xena's still going, isn't she?

17:54:00 [sbp]

.time

17:54:08 [sbp]

heh, nope

17:54:10 [AaronSw]

no, she's on mu2

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17:56:04 [AaronSw]

heh

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17:56:31 [Morbus]

pixel, you around?

17:56:54 [Morbus]

this is cool:

17:57:00 [Morbus]

http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/ links to

17:57:03 [Morbus]

http://www.pipetree.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/dj

17:57:10 [Morbus]

which talks about bookmrks and galeon's bookmark file.

17:57:14 [pixel]

that's odd shit. I was just there.

17:57:17 [Morbus]

and about creating a "to read" box on the site.

17:57:23 [Morbus]

this is his script: http://www.pipetree.com/~dj/galeon.pl

17:57:28 [Morbus]

which looks like it works on an XBEL file.

17:57:40 [Morbus]

so with synca, I can convert from NS/IE to xbel and then create that box.

17:58:07 [Morbus]

its like a ten line script.

17:58:15 [pixel]

hmm.

17:58:30 [pixel]

I can add that to my site in like 5 minutes.

17:59:28 [AaronSw]

hm: Nebraska Researchers Measure the Extent of 'Link Rot' in Distance Education

17:59:40 [pixel]

that's a nice way to organize and administer data like that. hmmm.

17:59:41 [Morbus]

pixel: try it out and let me know.

17:59:43 [AaronSw]

http://chronicle.com/free/2002/04/2002041001u.htm

18:00:18 [pixel]

nice little script.

18:02:38 [Morbus]

argh.

18:02:43 [Morbus]

how do you turn off DTD validation in XPATH?

18:04:00 [pixel]

that depends on the parser.

18:04:23 [pixel]

MSXML is : objXML.ValidateOnParse = Flase

18:04:35 [pixel]

what parser?

18:04:48 [Morbus]

XML::XPath in Perl.

18:04:59 [pixel]

and it's validating? weiord.

18:06:49 [pixel]

I can't find anything in the documentation about validation.

18:07:23 [Morbus]

same here.

18:07:26 [Morbus]

i just remoed the doctype

18:07:37 [pixel]

I've been known to do that many times.

18:08:05 [Morbus]

hmm. doesn't sem to be working

18:14:40 [pixel]

almost done.

18:15:50 [pixel]

ok. look at my website: http://www.perceive.net/ at the bottom fot he NAV is a section named "Coding/AI" is the Coding/AI folder from your bookmarks file.

18:16:14 [pixel]

gotta fix the galeon thing though, it puked out crap. I need it to puke out a XBEL chunk

18:16:40 [pixel]

my website is taking the XBEL chunk, and converting it to HTML with XSL.

18:17:18 [Morbus]

argh,

18:17:22 [Morbus]

anyone know XPath?

18:17:31 [pixel]

* pixel raises his hand.

18:17:44 [Morbus]

using the XBEL file, what's the query I need to send?

18:17:53 [Morbus]

obviously, the one in this script isn't working.

18:17:57 [Morbus]

or are you using the XSL stuff?

18:18:03 [Morbus]

folder[\@name='$toread']/site

18:18:23 [Morbus]

i'm assuming that searches for <folder name="$toread">.*</folder

18:18:57 [Morbus]

but I need <folder><title>$toread</title> ... all <bookmarks> ... </folder>

18:19:12 [pixel]

you need:

18:19:14 [Morbus]

or even, how about a folder that DOES NOT have a title?

18:19:18 [Morbus]

that'd get my root bookmarks.

18:20:46 [pixel]

I don't think his file was an XBEL file. I think it was homebrew.

18:20:52 [Morbus]

yeah, it's not.

18:20:58 [Morbus]

not an xbel.

18:21:02 [pixel]

damn. trillian thought what I sent was a command. heheh

18:21:21 [pixel]

//folder/title[text() = '$toread']/bookmarks

18:22:58 [Morbus]

hmm. didn't work.

18:23:12 [pixel]

hold on.

18:23:29 [Morbus]

i'm whipping one up using syncasaurus code.

18:24:44 [bitsko]

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18:25:08 [pixel]

my parser is chugging on the file. hold on.

18:26:35 [AaronSw]

bitsko!

18:26:51 [pixel]

I think I have too many bookmarks.

18:29:33 [Morbus]

got it.

18:29:35 [Morbus]

[[[

18:29:38 [Morbus]

use lib './modules/';

18:29:38 [Morbus]

use Log::Simple;

18:29:38 [Morbus]

use Bookmarks;

18:29:38 [Morbus]

use Bookmarks::IE;

18:29:38 [Morbus]

use Bookmarks::Mozilla;

18:29:40 [Morbus]

use Bookmarks::XBEL;

18:29:42 [Morbus]

18:29:45 [Morbus]

my $string = load_bookmarks("/Documents and Settings/morbus/Application Data/Mozilla/Profiles/default/8zkr0zf1.slt/bookmarks.html");

18:29:51 [Morbus]

18:29:53 [Morbus]

my $number_shown = 10; my $counter;

18:29:55 [Morbus]

foreach (@{$string->{'|%%|'}->{bookmarks}}) {

18:29:57 [Morbus]

print "<a href=\"$_->{attrs}->{href}\">$_->{title}</a>\n";

18:29:59 [Morbus]

$counter++; last if $counter > 10;

18:30:01 [Morbus]

}

18:30:03 [Morbus]

]]]

18:30:39 [bitsko]

I'm trolling for new/updated RSS renderers

18:31:21 [Morbus]

bitsko: take a look at blagg:http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/lang/perl/blagg/

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18:32:48 [pixel]

oh. I found what the problem was with that xpath. it was looking for a bookmark node under the title node, and it's under the folder. a good xpath: //folder[title = '$string']/bookmark

18:37:19 [Morbus]

yeah, that works too.

18:37:20 [Morbus]

whoo.

18:39:03 [bitsko]

wow. XML-RPC II appears to be taking on life

18:39:32 [AaronSw]

link?

18:40:05 [bitsko]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-rpc/messages

18:40:27 [bitsko]

it's even been blessed, in an offhand sort of way

18:43:21 [davb]

what ever happened to OpenRPC?

18:45:42 [davb]

ah,nm

18:45:46 [davb]

this is much more interesting.

18:47:07 [Morbus]

eric: just sent you off an email with some notes on this script/process./

18:47:26 [pixel]

cool.

18:47:47 [pixel]

I need to fix the one I was working on so it just saves offa chunk of xbel, and FTPs it off.

18:48:05 [Morbus]

bitsko: good to see you. i was asking about you this morning.

18:48:08 [pixel]

using the bookmarks would make a very nice and simple way to organize the menu on my website.

18:48:40 [Morbus]

this is great, because this is the magic that will say "hey! send all these root bookmarks to my blog!"

18:50:25 [pixel]

hehe

18:55:33 [bitsko]

how do blagg items get ordered? acquisition time?

18:55:49 [Morbus]

bitsko: not sure.

18:56:05 [AaronSw]

weird; http://www.redhatsociety.org/

19:00:08 [bitsko]

hmm... one (actually 5) of the sources I wanted to aggregate are yahoogroups. it occurs to me that threaded would be so much better :-/

19:00:59 [bitsko]

I want to unsubscribed from these groups (too many attachments and poor quoting skills), but don't want to miss the new messages.

19:01:24 [Morbus]

bitsko: there's a "read from the web only" option.

19:01:32 [pixel]

hmm. xml feed from yahoogroups would be spiffy.

19:01:37 [AaronSw]

they have RSS

19:01:38 [Morbus]

there is xml from yahoogroups

19:01:40 [Morbus]

unless they took it off.

19:01:41 [bitsko]

yes, I do that for several groups, like xml-rpc and syndication

19:01:45 [pixel]

really??

19:01:51 [Morbus]

http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/finding_more.htm

19:01:54 [bitsko]

yes, it's still there

19:01:59 [pixel]

cool.

19:02:13 [pixel]

wow. now that's cool.

19:02:17 [bitsko]

the groups I want to keep getting pushed to me are PRT-related groups

19:02:50 [AaronSw]

theonion has some crazy meta tags

19:02:58 [Morbus]

bitsko: i'm about halfway done a script that sucks down data from yahoogroups.

19:03:05 [Morbus]

supports userauth, etc.

19:03:16 [bitsko]

really? for ad-bypassing? ;)

19:03:22 [pixel]

I like how you use the term "data"

19:03:25 [Morbus]

yup :)

19:03:48 [Morbus]

its main purpose is to archive yahoogroups, but it could certainly be used to keep up to date as a reader too ;)

19:03:57 [bitsko]

hmm... I could just pipe these messages to a different account and procmail 'em

19:04:01 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: meta keywords: George Bush, bits, delete, all your base, hack

19:04:02 [Morbus]

pixel: heh, heh.

19:06:02 [bitsko]

that's sounding like a much better idea. I could use your tool to map procmailed messages to Yahoo URLs

19:06:16 [Morbus]

* Morbus nods.

19:06:27 [Morbus]

i don't know when i'll finish it, though. time being short and all.

19:06:47 [AaronSw]

this net connection iss driving me insane

19:06:53 [Morbus]

I can tweak it specifically to your needs though.

19:07:01 [Morbus]

how many new messages do you want to leech?

19:07:17 [AaronSw]

it's driving me to surf deltab-style

19:07:23 [Morbus]

deltab-style?

19:07:30 [bitsko]

I would only need current messages, and then only a mapping from Message-ID to URL

19:07:42 [AaronSw]

deltab-style: links on a well-connected server over ssh

19:08:22 [Morbus]

so, what would you want the output to be? "Message-ID -> URL"?

19:11:14 [bitsko]

ya

19:12:16 [Morbus]

ok. that's real easy.

19:12:25 [Morbus]

you wouldn't want anything else? no subj line, nothing?

19:12:26 [sbp]

* sbp waves

19:12:31 [Morbus]

i could probably have that done tongiht.

19:13:17 [bitsko]

I don't think so, I'd get that from the mail message proper

19:13:45 [Morbus]

mmkay. your procmail thingy would get the message and all that junk, based on the url?

19:16:16 [bitsko]

the procmail thingy would have the whole mail via subscription, then it needs to have the URL for a link to the Yahoo archive

19:18:04 [Morbus]

ah. gotch.

19:18:18 [bitsko]

it'd be kinda nice, considering how Yahoo mangles the headers anyway, if they were to just put the URL in directly

19:19:06 [Morbus]

argh.

19:19:14 [Morbus]

not sure how well the message id thing is gonna work.

19:19:24 [Morbus]

you'd have to tell procmail to check before the @.

19:19:35 [Morbus]

since they @u... that on the site.

19:19:45 [bitsko]

even message ids? grr..

19:20:10 [Morbus]

yup

19:20:31 [Morbus]

bwahaha.

19:20:36 [Morbus]

they don't do it intentionally.

19:20:42 [Morbus]

its a "this looks like an email address" issue.

19:20:56 [Morbus]

cos if you click on one, you can send to 21387123kjh4kj3h4@mail.server.com ;)

19:21:44 [bitsko]

heh

19:22:18 [redmonk]

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19:22:32 [redmonk]

'lo folks

19:22:38 [Morbus]

monk monk!

19:22:48 [redmonk]

hey morb

19:23:11 [redmonk]

beeen in the throes of deployment for a few days, didn't get out much ;-)

19:23:16 [bitsko]

hmm, maybe I can just plunder MailMan to display the mail lists...

19:23:20 [redmonk]

but it's deployed, and working! woohoo

19:23:26 [Morbus]

what is it?

19:23:34 [redmonk]

webobjects financial app

19:23:40 [sbp]

Hey there rm

19:23:47 [bitsko]

ooh, webobjects

19:23:50 [bitsko]

yummm

19:23:58 [Morbus]

heh, heh,

19:24:09 [redmonk]

hi sbp

19:24:22 [bitsko]

I did some WO with illumineX

19:24:28 [redmonk]

oh yeah?

19:24:31 [redmonk]

cool

19:24:47 [redmonk]

those guys are like the olympians of wo

19:25:08 [redmonk]

(and as tempermental, i've heard)

19:25:16 [redmonk]

(no offense intended)

19:25:17 [bitsko]

hehe

19:25:37 [bitsko]

I wish more environments had "key-value" coding

19:25:50 [redmonk]

* redmonk thinks, he's laughing, is that a good thing?

19:25:56 [redmonk]

no kidding

19:25:58 [redmonk]

it;s nice

19:26:08 [AaronSw]

Is that just foo.bar.baz?

19:26:13 [redmonk]

yep

19:26:21 [bitsko]

I think Python has a PEP for it. Perl folks just don't get it at all

19:26:36 [bitsko]

it'll suck if .net ends up being the only language with it

19:26:58 [redmonk]

ASW: it's different from java and python's syntactical foo.bar.baz

19:27:01 [bitsko]

all it is, really, is get/set overrides on properties

19:27:06 [redmonk]

yes

19:27:09 [pixel]

bye all. seeya tomorrow.

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19:27:36 [bitsko]

you use attribute syntax, but it calls a get/set method if one exists

19:27:44 [AaronSw]

python has get set overrides -- you've used them, bitsko

19:27:49 [redmonk]

the root object (NSObject) has valueForKey(), and takeValueForKey() methods

19:28:07 [redmonk]

i worked on that a bit, ASW - it's a bit different

19:28:10 [bitsko]

not really, it has __getattr__/__setattr__ which is someone less useful

19:28:41 [redmonk]

the problem is that __get|setAttr__ can get recursive if you're not careful

19:28:45 [bitsko]

but Py's much closer than Perl to getting real ones

19:29:06 [redmonk]

KVC in webobjects/cocoa does not really have that problem

19:29:48 [AaronSw]

argh, my neck is killing me and my connection sucks

19:29:51 [AaronSw]

i'm going to lie down

19:30:14 [bitsko]

ya, Paul Prescod is the PEP author and champion. PEP 213 http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0213.html

19:30:17 [redmonk]

cya

19:37:16 [bitsko]

my current project would probably be a great WO app, but Apple is not in their future

19:37:27 [redmonk]

heh.

19:37:30 [redmonk]

what's the app?

19:37:57 [bitsko]

basic customer registration, billing, account status for long distance service

19:38:04 [redmonk]

yeah, sounds perfect

19:38:08 [redmonk]

too bad

19:38:41 [bitsko]

we're gonna use Py WebWare. at least we're not using Java ;)

19:38:59 [bitsko]

WO makes Java almost bearable, but...

19:39:47 [redmonk]

heh

19:40:13 [redmonk]

you should hook jython in so you can write WOComponents in python

19:40:41 [bitsko]

have you tried that?

19:40:49 [redmonk]

not yet

19:40:52 [redmonk]

it's on the todo ilst

19:40:55 [redmonk]

list

19:40:56 [redmonk]

;-)

19:41:38 [bitsko]

the trick is getting project builder to play nice with the Py source

19:41:44 [redmonk]

i'm sure it would be possible - similar to the guiys that did the re-compilable components for WO

19:41:49 [redmonk]

well, yeah

19:42:02 [redmonk]

i'm intrigued at the guys doing WO code in ant

19:42:18 [redmonk]

wouldn't mind getting away from JAM

19:42:29 [redmonk]

it seems like there's a lot of overhead in there

19:42:32 [redmonk]

but i could be wrong

19:42:47 [redmonk]

is there a WO irc channel anywhere?

19:42:53 [bitsko]

dunno

19:42:57 [redmonk]

hmmm.

19:43:04 [redmonk]

any idea hoto register a new channel?

19:43:08 [bitsko]

iirc, we were using ant

19:43:20 [redmonk]

at illuminex?

19:43:27 [sbp]

go into the channel, and do something like /msg ChanServ REGISTER password

19:43:30 [bitsko]

if you're the first person to join a channel, it creates it

19:43:33 [sbp]

with your password in place of password!!!

19:43:40 [sbp]

I remember what happened last time... :-)

19:43:56 [bitsko]

there's an official registration? wow

19:44:07 [bitsko]

yes, at illumineX

19:44:27 [redmonk]

heh

19:44:30 [redmonk]

cool

19:44:39 [redmonk]

i wish someone would post their build scripts

19:44:51 [bitsko]

we used ant for compiling outside of project builder, for the Linux server and for JUnit

19:45:13 [redmonk]

hm. sbp: channelserv says: Notice: You are not a channel operator on [wodev]

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19:45:27 [sbp]

ah. well, you need to be opped to register it

19:45:39 [redmonk]

hm.

19:45:39 [sbp]

if you're the only person on it, try leaving and reentering quickly

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19:46:16 [redmonk]

hm.

19:47:12 [Morbus]

long article, but insanely interesting: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/04/rauch.htm

19:48:12 [redmonk]

well, for the moment #wodev exists

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20:00:59 [Morbus]

.dict predictable

20:03:19 [redmonk]

<dict> See 'Morbus'

20:03:29 [Ash-w]

Morbus: http://www.tubcat.com/

20:03:32 [Morbus]

bwahahaha

20:03:37 [Ash-w]

hehehe

20:12:31 [Morbus]

holy turd. moz just crashed. er.

20:13:29 [Morbus]

dammit!

20:13:35 [Morbus]

i'm #33 on the Daypop!

20:13:40 [Morbus]

thats not good!

20:13:49 [Morbus]

at least i've got a green arrow

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20:18:38 [Morbus]

loggy, where am I?

20:18:38 [loggy]

See http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-24#T20-19-02

20:18:43 [Morbus]

logster, where am I?

20:18:57 [Morbus]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-24#T20-18-43

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20:22:47 [Morbus]

rael!

20:22:50 [raelity]

howdy doodie, y'all

20:23:23 [raelity]

for the 15 minutes i have once a month for irc, no

20:23:31 [raelity]

the built in 30 minute limit is key

20:23:33 [Morbus]

ah.

20:24:40 [raelity]

i've used it twice ever

20:24:59 [Morbus]

really? heh. i use trillian on my windows box, and snak at home. works well enough for me.

20:25:26 [raelity]

used to be an irc fan; no time these days

20:25:42 [raelity]

hey, ben hooked blagg into mt

20:25:43 [raelity]

very cool

20:25:49 [Morbus]

already?

20:25:51 [Morbus]

wow.

20:25:52 [raelity]

yep

20:25:53 [Morbus]

at that url?

20:25:58 [raelity]

told you it was designed modularly

20:26:13 [raelity]

he had a heads-up... we met in person a couple of weeks back

20:26:26 [Morbus]

ah. cool.

20:26:31 [raelity]

hey... also got a note about cherry-blosxom, a ruby copy

20:26:40 [Morbus]

heh, heh!

20:27:08 [Morbus]

very cool.

20:27:22 [Morbus]

i still haven't even played with amazox (sp) much less blagg.

20:27:22 [Morbus]

sigh.

20:27:38 [Morbus]

i'm still on april 9th in my bookmark backlog

20:27:41 [raelity]

ben's not written about it yet. i'm going to try out the patch

20:27:53 [raelity]

heh... and i've a pile of books with my name on them.

20:28:06 [Morbus]

cool. i'll be willing to beta test. i was planning to use blagg on gamegrene.com, which is an MT site.

20:28:28 [raelity]

i'll test, let ben know, and then post the mods

20:28:37 [Morbus]

awesome.

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20:29:59 [redmonk]

morbus: http://www.decafbad.com/news_archives/000119.shtml#000119

20:30:11 [redmonk]

"While Radio slices and dices and aggregates feeds by items and serves them up to me in an interwoven chronological order, AmphetaDesk serves my feeds up to me whole and in order of feed modification. I'm not sure which I like more now."

20:30:18 [Morbus]

OooH. thanks :)

20:30:22 [redmonk]

"But, I think the way AmphetaDesk merges these sources might be a nicer alternative. By not chopping up the feeds, some intra-item context is maintained at least, so I can see developing trains of thought."

20:30:44 [Morbus]

oh, hey, deus_x posted that.

20:30:52 [redmonk]

uh huh

20:30:52 [Morbus]

thanks deus_x! :)

20:31:55 [Morbus]

in the future, i'll be offering both alternatives. that'll happen once I do the rss 1.0 archiving backend.

20:33:00 [Morbus]

and winer linked too. cool <G>

20:33:15 [Morbus]

i'm surprised he did.

20:34:28 [redmonk]

winer's like a search engine with one index: "RSS"

20:34:36 [Ash-w]

scripting.com: <a href="http://www.decafbad.com/news_archives/000119.shtml#000119">HA HA, MORBAS SUX0R!@$</a>

20:34:51 [Morbus]

heheheeh. yeah, but, but, but he said he likes ampheta betta <G>

20:34:51 [Ash-w]

redmonk: Either the "RSS" index or the "RSS 1.0 SUX0R" index

20:35:03 [redmonk]

yeah

20:35:54 [Morbus]

ooh. mcdermott was convicted.

20:36:05 [raelity]

i thought aaronsw was the rss 1.0 index

20:36:09 [Ash-w]

<dwiner> But I kid.. amphetadesk beta is a very good product

20:36:14 [Ash-w]

<dwiner> FOR ME TO POOP ON!

20:36:18 [redmonk]

lol

20:36:19 [Morbus]

bwahahahaha

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20:41:06 [sbp]

heh!

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20:43:53 [Morbus]

uh...

20:44:16 [Morbus]

.nick z3s6q6l4d

20:44:32 [Morbus]

gasp, where's xena?

20:44:57 [sbp]

gone

20:45:06 [sbp]

and it's .nickometer, BTW

20:45:07 [Morbus]

nOoOO...

20:45:11 [sbp]

for when she comes back...

20:45:17 [Morbus]

yeah, well, youknow.

20:45:20 [sbp]

:-)

20:45:33 [Morbus]

pff. "shaft" is playing on the radio.

20:45:40 [redmonk]

heh

20:45:42 [redmonk]

cool

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20:51:02 [Morbus]

heh heh

20:52:55 [sbp]

heh

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20:53:14 [sbp]

ooh, is that really rael?

20:53:25 [Morbus]

yup.

20:53:25 [sbp]

*the* Rael? Rael Dornfest?

20:53:57 [sbp]

Rael is on swhack?!?!? oh man, I have to get dressed and comb my hair and put some aftershave on

20:54:09 [sbp]

er... not in a dating way, though

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20:54:55 [raelity]

hey sean

20:54:56 [raelity]

long time

20:55:00 [sbp]

indeed

20:55:56 [sbp]

bummer: I've got to go now... back in about an hour or so

20:56:01 [sbp]

c'ya

20:56:08 [raelity]

i have to run too... nice to see you folks

20:56:33 [Morbus]

ciao.

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20:57:22 [Zircon]

whew

20:57:36 [Zircon]

dang, i didn't get to ask him if he had any tree files

20:57:49 [Zircon]

Zircon has changed the topic to: meta keywords: George Bush, bits, delete, all your base, hack || Rael, do you have any tree files?

21:19:57 [Morbus]

heh:

21:19:58 [Morbus]

[[[

21:19:58 [Morbus]

i LOVE your writing. i have no idea what in the hell you're talking

21:19:58 [Morbus]

about, but i want to touch it. how in the hell do you make

21:19:58 [Morbus]

programming talk so sensual? you're very gifted, amigo.

21:19:59 [Morbus]

]]]

21:20:02 [Morbus]

concerning apache #6.

21:23:33 [redmonk]

that's scary

21:23:45 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

21:24:07 [redmonk]

anyone in here done os x cocoa/java programming?

21:24:12 [redmonk]

deus_x?

21:24:26 [Morbus]

deus_x, did a cocoa frontend to ampheta, yeah.

21:24:36 [Morbus]

er, no initial comma

21:24:42 [redmonk]

interesting i did not know that

21:24:52 [redmonk]

i got bugs in my program

21:24:55 [redmonk]

:-(

21:25:11 [Morbus]

have you tried #macdev too?

21:25:22 [redmonk]

no, did not know there was one

21:25:26 [redmonk]

this server?

21:25:33 [Morbus]

yup

21:25:39 [redmonk]

cool

21:27:35 [Zircon]

MACDEV!@$

21:27:55 [Zircon]

<Zircon> Hello, I make big macs

21:28:02 [Zircon]

<Zircon> I am a "mac" developer

21:28:34 [Morbus]

special sauce and all.

21:29:19 [Zircon]

* Zircon gives Morbus a special "AmphetaMac"

21:29:44 [redmonk]

now THAT's some special sauce

21:29:56 [Morbus]

heh.

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* sbp waves

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* tomch waves

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* sbp waves again

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* Morbus waves thricely

22:19:08 [sbp]

Morbus: thrice the waver and better for it

22:21:20 [sbp]

wow, it was so noisy just about an hour and a half ago

22:21:32 [sbp]

now there's hardly any IRC activity at all...

22:21:37 [sbp]

the lists are still going strong

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22:23:10 [sbp]

xena!

22:23:10 [sbp]

whee, now I can do stunningly quick Google searches again

22:23:10 [sbp]

.google stunningly quick Google searches

22:23:10 [sbp]

heh. well. Hmm...

22:23:10 [xena]

stunningly quick Google searches: http://www.jsonline.com/wheels/test/jan02/11838.asp

22:23:22 [sbp]

* sbp thwaps his connection

22:25:30 [sbp]

"Acura's new RSX Type-S"? er... O.K.

22:27:28 [sbp]

Gotta run

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22:59:37 [sbp]

heh, South Park was great. the Great Expectations one

22:59:40 [sbp]

heh, Larry Masinter's amended .sig:-

22:59:41 [sbp]

[[[

22:59:44 [sbp]

--

22:59:45 [sbp]

http://larry.masinter.net <- my web page, not me

22:59:47 [sbp]

]]]

23:01:32 [sbp]

oh, where'd DanBri come from?!

23:01:34 [Morbus]

crap. i need another 100 words.

23:01:50 [sbp]

"screw Flanders" * 50

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23:07:27 [sbp]

Hmph: no WOPN warning?

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23:07:36 [Morbus]

yeah, but...

23:07:36 [Morbus]

do you think they'd notice?

23:07:38 [Morbus]

ooh.

23:07:40 [Morbus]

maybe i can make 'oft-ignored' two words.

23:07:42 [Morbus]

muhahah

23:08:03 [sbp]

of course they wouldn't notice!

23:08:21 [Morbus]

argh

23:08:28 [Morbus]

fucking windows flashing, sounds bleeping.

23:08:35 [Morbus]

my flipping computer had diahreea.

23:08:36 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:08:40 [sbp]

the fun of netsplits!

23:09:14 [sbp]

surprisingly little #openprojects traffic: must be a small affair. They didn't seem too shocked

23:09:37 [Morbus]

a *small* affair?

23:09:41 [sbp]

<[...]> [...] prolly one of the hubs took a shit

23:09:42 [Morbus]

next time, i'm gonna take a video of my screen.

23:09:50 [sbp]

heh, heh

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23:10:37 [walloper]

<jeremy> more rehubbing... sorry for the inconvenience

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I WASN"T READY!#!@

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23:30:11 [jillzilla]

I just heard a talk on Ruby yesterday. I liked it, from what I saw.

23:30:12 [AaronSw]

It's like Python but with... well, it's just like Python.

23:30:12 [sbp]

so... many... Ruby fans

23:30:12 [sbp]

it's Python with fi

23:30:38 [danbri]

yup, I got hooked playing with it (ruby). it helped remove perl from my life...

23:30:39 [AaronSw]

Argh, seems like net connection is still sucky.

23:32:32 [sbp]

Aaron: something's wrong with logster

23:32:34 [sbp]

aha!

23:32:39 [sbp]

* sbp reads his email and gets the Dark Triples zing

23:32:43 [sbp]

Hmm... it seems to be better now, but it missed quite a lot of the conversation for when it was here

23:33:48 [AaronSw]

Maybe because it wasn't here.

23:33:58 [AaronSw]

It just rejoined a few minutes ago.

23:34:06 [sbp]

no, it was here, I'm quite sure. For example, when I pasted that openprojects bit

23:34:44 [AaronSw]

whoa, rael was here

23:34:46 [sbp]

it caught Morbus's bit, but missed my "heh, heh"

23:35:19 [AaronSw]

Probably net craziness.

23:35:30 [sbp]

it clearly shows me entering and leaving 16 minutes later. I'm pretty sure that I didn't shut up for 16 minutes

23:35:44 [jillzilla]

sbp: that does seem unlikely.

23:35:50 [sbp]

hey!

23:35:53 [jillzilla]

:)

23:36:25 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # I'm gonna talk off log for 16 minutes now just to prove you wrong

23:36:34 [sbp]

I never said that!

23:36:52 [AaronSw]

We need digital signature IRC, I guess.

23:36:55 [sbp]

nobody saw me do it. you can't prove anything

23:37:06 [AaronSw]

We all saw you do it, sbp.

23:37:11 [jillzilla]

I did.

23:37:19 [danbri]

sbp: dark triples wasted a whole load of time in our WGs... don't let it do same to yours!

23:37:20 [sbp]

jill's lying (she has a history)

23:37:26 [sbp]

and AaronSw is just being vindictive

23:37:38 [AaronSw]

argh, can someone with a real net connection tell me if there are real talks or just tutorials on http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/18/monday.html

23:37:40 [sbp]

but Dark Triples are our friends!

23:37:52 [danbri]

noooooo

23:38:16 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: How do you tell a talk from a tutorial?

23:38:19 [sbp]

they seem pretty tutorial-oriented

23:38:32 [deltab]

all tutorials

23:38:33 [jillzilla]

Aha.

23:38:33 [sbp]

at a tutorial, you get leaflets

23:38:34 [AaronSw]

tutorials should say "Track: Emerging Technology Tutorial"

23:38:35 [jillzilla]

I see, the track.

23:38:44 [danbri]

all I see are abstracts

23:38:44 [jillzilla]

All tutorials.

23:38:44 [AaronSw]

great, thanks!

23:43:06 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla discovers the book "Building Wireless Community Networks." This looks very interesting.

23:44:38 [AaronSw]

Yeah, Rob's pretty cool. I've been meaning to look for that at the bookstore.

23:48:37 [AaronSw]

I hope he's feeling better.

23:48:51 [jillzilla]

?

23:49:18 [AaronSw]

He was hospitalized after an accident involving placing a wireless antennas on a tall building.

23:49:36 [jillzilla]

Oh my god. That sounds like a joke, but you're not joking.

23:49:37 [sbp]

how ironic

23:49:46 [jillzilla]

what sbp said.

23:50:53 [danbri]

hey, anyone know how I can log to file incoming traffic to a port?

23:51:25 [AaronSw]

It'd be pretty easy with a Python daemon.

23:51:26 [danbri]

i'm running a soap server on :8082 and i can't get it to log incoming messages verbosely enough. Is there a generic unixy hack for capturing the incoming data...

23:51:38 [AaronSw]

oh, while doing other stuff on the port.

23:51:47 [danbri]

It'd be pretty easy with the ruby stuff if I knew the library better...

23:51:58 [AaronSw]

EricP has an awesome HTTP diagnostic proxy thing.

23:52:07 [AaronSw]

It's in W3C CVS.

23:52:08 [danbri]

I could probably just run up a do-nowt server actually...

23:52:14 [danbri]

oh yeah, I should look at that

23:52:28 [AaronSw]

I think it's called proxy panel, or proxy patch or something

23:52:55 [AaronSw]

gotta run

23:53:09 [AaronSw]

GR: dinner

23:53:14 [danbri]

patchpanel

23:56:21 [sbp]

heh, I was playing slide on my lap, plucked a note, and left the slide...

23:56:44 [sbp]

and it fell towards the bridge making a "wheeeeoooop!" noise. I was like "WTF?!"

23:57:50 [Zircon]

RE ZIRCON

23:58:25 [sbp]

ZIRCON: WERE IS TEH ASH?

23:58:32 [Zircon]

MUAHAHAHAHA

23:58:44 [Zircon]

sbp: i've assumed an alter ego for the moment.

23:59:02 [sbp]

not very alter, is it?

23:59:29 [Zircon]

ZIRCON, THE SPACE GOD

23:59:32 [Zircon]

Well, no.

23:59:39 [Zircon]

It's this thing called an irc "nickname"

23:59:48 [jillzilla]

whoa, cool. can I get one?

23:59:58 [sbp]

yes, indeed. DanBri created a property for it