IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-20

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00:00:04 [AaronSw]
whereas this strip is from '72
00:00:27 [sbp]
Mmmkay
00:00:34 [sbp]
.google "Patricia Reichardt"
00:00:35 [xena]
"Patricia Reichardt": http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/an/surnames.mcbeth
00:01:17 [sbp]
only 41 results on the entire Web!
00:01:24 [sbp]
42 with this Webpage
00:01:38 [AaronSw]
44 considering the three versions of it
00:01:43 [sbp]
aha! That's the meaning of the Universe! We're the 42nd page to utter Peppermint Patty's real name
00:01:54 [sbp]
oh, you had to go and spoil it, didn't you?
00:02:07 [AaronSw]
we're still the 42nd page.
00:02:20 [AaronSw]
(just the 43rd and 44th too)
00:02:23 [sbp]
I suppose. Pff
00:02:40 [sbp]
But we won't know *which* version is the 42nd
00:03:17 [AaronSw]
the txt version, since it's listed first
00:03:45 [sbp]
Oh well. At least if we say "Patricia Reichardt" a few more times, we'll be somewhere near the top. Oh, not to mention Snnop, Peanuts, and Charlie Brown. Which I just did
00:03:59 [AaronSw]
snnop?
00:04:05 [AaronSw]
.google snnop
00:04:06 [xena]
snnop: http://www.draculina.com/snoopdog.htm
00:04:23 [sbp]
Snnop? Hrm
00:04:25 [sbp]
Snoopy
00:04:50 [sbp]
* sbp apologizes to ol' Snoop
00:05:23 [sbp]
argh, we're split over 19/20! that meaks it even worse
00:05:32 [AaronSw]
19/20?
00:05:33 [sbp]
meaks? What is it with my typing tonight?
00:05:39 [AaronSw]
oh, good point
00:06:45 [sbp]
heh: rdf interest - term frequency count (300 msgs)
00:07:01 [sbp]
289 : uri
00:07:37 [sbp]
* sbp wonders what the smeg that is
00:08:03 [AaronSw]
hmm
00:08:06 [sbp]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/0090
00:08:21 [sbp]
this baffles me: 151 : aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa way
00:08:26 [AaronSw]
lol
00:10:18 [AaronSw]
and with 5 mentions comes l0voij4ncjxive1mpjxirufepg0kpe1fveegy29udgvudd0idgv4dc9odg1soybjagfyc2v0pwdi
00:11:40 [sbp]
.google l0voij4ncjxive1mpjxirufepg0kpe1fveegy29udgvudd0idgv4dc9odg1soybjagfyc2v0pwdi
00:11:40 [xena]
l0voij4ncjxive1mpjxirufepg0kpe1fveegy29udgvudd0idgv4dc9odg1soybjagfyc2v0pwdi: http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/help-cgicc/2000-August.txt
00:11:41 [AaronSw]
while odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4odg4 has 6
00:11:41 [AaronSw]
a mystery
00:11:41 [sbp]
it's a base encoded line of some sort
00:11:41 [AaronSw]
.py import base64
00:11:41 [AaronSw]
.py import base64
00:11:48 [AaronSw]
TypeError: decode() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)
00:11:52 [AaronSw]
what's the second?
00:12:11 [deltab]
I doubt it: no capital letters
00:12:28 [AaronSw]
danbri decapitalized it
00:13:02 [AaronSw]
it's really:
00:13:04 [AaronSw]
L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdi
00:13:25 [deltab]
ah
00:14:12 [AaronSw]
aha!
00:14:15 [AaronSw]
it's: '/EN">\r\n<HTML><HEAD>\r\n<META content="text/html; charset=gb'
00:14:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if tav is around
00:15:02 [AaronSw]
I was going to explain my metaphor-thingy
00:15:36 [AaronSw]
Hmm, where does qmail deliver by default?
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00:16:58 [deltab]
./Mailbox
00:17:17 [AaronSw]
./Mailbox or ./Mailbox/?
00:17:44 [AaronSw]
the latter being a maildir
00:18:17 [deltab]
./Mailbox in mbox format
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00:19:42 [AaronSw]
cool, thanks
00:20:20 [deltab]
that can be changed in the qmail-send startup
00:20:32 [AaronSw]
i just edited defaultdelivery
00:20:46 [deltab]
right
00:21:04 [AaronSw]
can i configure courier-IMAP similarly?
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00:22:56 [deltab]
yes, at the end of the command that starts imapd
00:23:07 [deltab]
default is Maildir
00:23:44 [AaronSw]
will qmail create ./Maildir/ automatically?
00:28:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw runs maildirmake
00:28:50 [tomc]
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00:29:20 [AaronSw]
woo! it worked
00:32:32 [AaronSw]
BBC: "Apple boss Steve Jobs has hailed it "the quintessence of computational coolness". To others, it resembles a desk lamp."
00:38:27 [AaronSw]
...
00:38:41 [AaronSw]
well here's my metaphor thingy (tav will have to read it when he gets back):
00:38:51 [AaronSw]
in the middle is the amorphous blob, the Plex.
00:39:12 [AaronSw]
above are write operations and below are read operations
00:39:34 [AaronSw]
so above we have content, commerce and communication
00:39:49 [AaronSw]
content: photos, music, movies
00:39:52 [AaronSw]
commerce: ebay, etc.
00:40:06 [AaronSw]
communications: rss, irc, email
00:40:20 [AaronSw]
below is push and pull or proactive and reactive
00:41:11 [AaronSw]
pull has things like find and query
00:41:18 [AaronSw]
push is your information flow
00:41:23 [AaronSw]
[end]
00:46:04 [AaronSw]
wow, a pretty and (nearly -- missing some alt tags) valid Radio blog: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001158/
00:46:09 [sbp]
aron never place processor recent relationship sean stanford written
00:46:15 [sbp]
WTF?
00:46:21 [AaronSw]
aron?
00:46:40 [sbp]
Aaron said, "never place a processor in a recent relationship, Sean - Stanford has written"
00:46:51 [AaronSw]
heh
00:46:59 [sbp]
yeah, I was deleting the "a" to insert an "A", and must have pressed \n somehow
00:47:18 [AaronSw]
why the WTF?
00:48:17 [AaronSw]
the valid theme is even downloadable
00:48:35 [sbp]
I'm not quite sure how I activated the '/n' button
00:48:44 [AaronSw]
hmm
00:48:48 [sbp]
s%/n%\n%
00:49:37 [tomc]
I occasionally brush a little "Enter" key without realising
00:49:51 [tomc]
stuck on the bottom right, where my hand dithers
00:50:21 [sbp]
don't delay, do: "don't dither, dumbwad"
00:51:31 [tomc]
I hope I never say "dumbwad" ever.
00:51:50 [sbp]
it's a perfectly valid word
00:52:00 [tomc]
in what language?
00:52:21 [sbp]
English. 39 instances according to Google. more than 10 makes it count as a word, in my book
00:52:33 [sbp]
s/English/Googlian/
00:52:43 [tomc]
:o)
00:53:13 [tomc]
it sounds rather... American.
00:53:19 [sbp]
actually, the word was used on The Simpsons, and therefore it is most certainly a word
00:53:33 [AaronSw]
only 39?
00:53:49 [sbp]
yeah, and I'm the tenth result for it
00:53:59 [sbp]
rather, I'm respionsible for the tenth result
00:54:02 [tomc]
*shudder*
00:54:08 [sbp]
<sbp> ugh, ya dumbwad. I mean
00:54:08 [sbp]
enabling access to Freenet without downloading any crud, through HTTP!
00:54:14 [sbp]
- http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16.txt
00:54:18 [tomc]
:o)
00:55:30 [sbp]
one day it'll be in the OED, y'know
00:56:00 [tomc]
marked "American"
00:56:08 [sbp]
And Aaron will go alongside Lenny from The Simpsons as being one of the first people in recorded history to have been called a "dumbwad"
00:56:17 [sbp]
aren't you proud, Aaron?
00:56:26 [AaronSw]
Indeed. I always wanted to be in the OED.
00:56:31 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
00:56:51 [sbp]
* sbp is probably somewhere under idiot
00:57:10 [AaronSw]
Aaron: Look, look! I'm in the OED!
00:57:10 [AaronSw]
Other: Under what word?
00:57:10 [AaronSw]
Aaron: Dumbwad.
00:57:20 [sbp]
lol!
00:58:18 [sbp]
That'd be something to put on your CV
00:59:08 [sbp]
"I am a master of the English language, and am listed in the Oxford English Dictionary under the word 'dumbwad'"
00:59:32 [AaronSw]
Indeed.
01:00:00 [sbp]
I wonder when "phenomic" will get in?
01:00:07 [sbp]
Morbus used it in his article
01:00:50 [sbp]
.google phenomic
01:00:51 [xena]
phenomic: http://www.phenomic.de
01:00:57 [sbp]
Pff
01:01:21 [AaronSw]
wha?!
01:01:29 [sbp]
heh: <AaronSw> arseholism! How phenomic
01:01:38 [sbp]
- http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-24.txt
01:01:38 [AaronSw]
"phenomic game develpment"... hmm
01:02:01 [sbp]
212 instances, so far
01:02:31 [AaronSw]
that's way more than dumbwad
01:02:44 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:02:58 [sbp]
yeah. But some of them are in odd-senses: http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/docs/ela/ela_fold.html
01:03:07 [sbp]
I wonder what the author of that document meant?
01:03:13 [tomc]
Phenomic seems like a nice word.
01:03:22 [tomc]
What's it mean?
01:03:38 [AaronSw]
It's an ajective meaning "a nice word", effectively.
01:03:40 [sbp]
[[[
01:03:42 [sbp]
phenomic /fen.'om.ik/ adj.
01:03:42 [sbp]
(Of a word) the quality of being pleasant to say, or of being memorable in some way. Especially a word which has been invented for this purpose.
01:03:46 [sbp]
]]] - http://infomesh.net/2001/phenomic/
01:04:31 [tomc]
:o)
01:04:43 [sbp]
* sbp notes that the other document probably meant "phonemic"
01:05:11 [sbp]
which is hillarious, considering that it's under "Spelling Inventory"
01:05:11 [tomc]
...
01:05:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw giggles
01:05:33 [sbp]
* sbp tries to find someone to mail the mistake to
01:05:47 [AaronSw]
yeah, get them out of our googles
01:06:23 [sbp]
* sbp finds http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/cgi-bin/forum/wwwboard.cgi
01:07:01 [sbp]
argh, they use POST
01:07:22 [sbp]
ugh, that's really terrible
01:08:14 [tomc]
Isn't POST nice?
01:08:52 [sbp]
of course not. How am I supposed to reference the pages?
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01:10:47 [tomc]
Oh. Of course :)
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01:13:21 [tomc]
wb
01:13:36 [BenSw]
wb
01:14:33 [sbp]
ty
01:16:24 [AaronSw]
Ooh, nice: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101156/opml_html.xml
01:16:28 [AaronSw]
np
01:16:37 [AaronSw]
there, i give in
01:19:59 [AaronSw]
dinner
01:21:21 [tomc]
enjoy
01:28:04 [sbp]
* sbp posts a message to the WWW Board, but can't refer to it
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01:29:03 [sbp]
$ lynx http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/cgi-bin/forum/wwwboard.cgi -dump -source | grep -i Sean
01:29:07 [CygBot]
> [end]
01:29:52 [sbp]
$ lynx http://www.sasked.gov.sk.ca/cgi-bin/forum/wwwboard.cgi -dump
01:29:55 [CygBot]
> Discussion Area
01:29:56 [CygBot]
>
01:29:57 [CygBot]
> [Select A Subject.........................] ____________________
01:29:58 [CygBot]
> Search
01:29:59 [CygBot]
>
01:30:00 [CygBot]
> Please choose one of the following areas
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> [...]
01:30:04 [sbp]
odd
01:30:28 [sbp]
oh, of course... I can't even navigate to the damn message menu! Oh, that's just stupid
01:31:08 [tomc]
yay cygbot what fun!
01:34:45 [BenSw]
$ lynx Http://rangersofdereth.dyndns.org/boar/index.php
01:36:46 [tomc]
-dump?
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01:38:25 [sbp]
* sbp notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/0092 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/0093
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01:51:56 [AaronSw]
man, i have some really old emails in my inbox
02:00:33 [BenSw]
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02:22:48 [sbp]
wow, PyEdit is rather neat. I'm actually able to edit the source to come up with a text editor that I pretty much like
02:22:59 [sbp]
and it's only about 25KB
02:23:20 [AaronSw]
nice... what sort of GUI?
02:23:25 [AaronSw]
uri?
02:23:41 [sbp]
http://nickel.as.arizona.edu/~barg/pp2e/examples/pp2e/gui/texted~1/texted~1.py
02:23:43 [sbp]
TKInter
02:25:50 [AaronSw]
is this proper XSLT syntax?
02:25:51 [AaronSw]
<a href="{@htmlUrl}">
02:26:38 [sbp]
* sbp accidentally reverses the colors
02:26:45 [sbp]
yes, it is
02:27:08 [sbp]
well, it's easier that <a><xsl:attribute [...]/></a>
02:27:12 [sbp]
s/that/than/
02:27:20 [AaronSw]
yeah, that's what i was replacing
02:27:27 [tomc]
a shorter cuter version
02:30:28 [AaronSw]
how's this: http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http%3A%2F%2Fradio.weblogs.com%2F0100663%2Fgems%2Frenderopml.xml&xmlfile=http%3A%2F%2Fradio.weblogs.com%2F0100663%2Fgems%2FmySubscriptions.opml
02:32:02 [sbp]
it won't load
02:32:11 [AaronSw]
what do you mean?
02:32:36 [sbp]
I mean that when i go to that URI, I get "can't connect"
02:32:56 [AaronSw]
you can't connect to w3.org?
02:33:26 [sbp]
weird. No, I can't
02:34:04 [AaronSw]
odd
02:40:11 [AaronSw]
lol: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001123/2002/01/10.html#a3
02:40:31 [AaronSw]
that's really pretty, actually. looks better than a GIF.
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02:43:16 [AaronSw]
Hee! http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_448459356
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02:43:40 [AaronSw]
Wes: "It's a regular soap opera!"
02:43:47 [AaronSw]
http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&selm=an_448459356 for sbp
02:45:29 [sbp]
lol!
02:47:47 [AaronSw]
Zing! "With that logic I have to wonder if part of your problem can be found by looking in a mirror."
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02:49:27 [sbp]
* sbp decides to start writing an editor from scratch
02:49:46 [thc]
thc is now known as tomc
02:49:50 [sbp]
wb
02:50:13 [tomc]
lol ty
02:50:19 [sbp]
lol/
02:50:23 [sbp]
er...
02:50:24 [sbp]
lol?
02:50:53 [tomc]
I was indicating vague amusement
02:51:07 [tomc]
:-)
02:51:11 [sbp]
aha
02:51:15 [AaronSw]
i bet tomc expected that only someone with a piss-poor connection like sbp would be subject to the wb treatment.
02:51:22 [sbp]
lol
02:51:31 [tomc]
:o)
02:52:18 [tomc]
well he wbed after I changed nick, I was sorta back awhile ago
02:52:39 [AaronSw]
fortune: "Americans are people who insist on living in the present, tense."
02:52:46 [tomc]
Anyway, my connection is very piss-poor!
02:53:46 [tomc]
*breathe* :)
02:53:57 [AaronSw]
.sig: "My Uncle Went To The Misty Mountains And All I got Was This Stupid Ring."
02:54:25 [tomc]
hehehe :-)
02:54:30 [sbp]
heh
03:00:12 [AaronSw]
man, i am way behind on my email. i got tons of messages from 2000
03:08:00 [AaronSw]
oops, looks like these 2000 messages are a mistake
03:08:57 [AaronSw]
well, that takes care of 1203/2032 messages in my inbox
03:19:32 [sbp]
* sbp appears to have a working 15.6KB text editor
03:19:52 [AaronSw]
not from scratch, i guess
03:19:55 [sbp]
er... 17.6KB
03:19:56 [sbp]
nope
03:20:03 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw edits his IEEE article
03:20:03 [tomc]
pfft!
03:20:06 [sbp]
I just tried to fix PyEdit
03:20:27 [sbp]
the PyEdit code is simple, but they did it really weirdly
03:20:37 [AaronSw]
hmm, like what?
03:21:08 [AaronSw]
<sbp> Well they didn't name any of the variables after me, to start
03:21:35 [sbp]
well, they use really annoying code conventions, make classes that call one another in annoying patterns, forx X import *, odd commenting syntax, and so on
03:21:41 [sbp]
heh, where's that from?
03:21:54 [tomc]
fiction
03:21:56 [AaronSw]
nowhere... when someone takes too long to answer i make up funny things for them to say
03:22:04 [sbp]
ah
03:22:18 [tomc]
I do that, it's amusing :o)
03:22:26 [sbp]
<tomc> I suck too
03:22:36 [sbp]
oh damn, that means I must also suck
03:22:45 [AaronSw]
"make classes that call one another in annoying patterns" Hmm, where have I seen that before? <cough>sbp</cough>
03:22:58 [sbp]
yeah. Well, I learned...
03:23:03 [tomc]
* tomc smiles and nods
03:23:25 [AaronSw]
Arrgh, why does Hendler get his photo at the top of my article?
03:26:54 [tomc]
via mind control, he wrote the article
03:27:26 [AaronSw]
Unlikely.
03:27:43 [AaronSw]
He's got much better uses for mind control. ;-)
03:28:11 [AaronSw]
Man, qmail's virtualdomains rock. When I get vorpal all set up you'll be able to email me at 084132d845120d845120sed84512sd8120dxc845120erdf@aaronsw.com.
03:29:02 [AaronSw]
From now on, I'll give email address like: httpblogspacecomswhackweblogs20020120@aaronsw.com
03:29:08 [AaronSw]
(for spammers, of course)
03:30:08 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:31:34 [AaronSw]
aargh. the move didn't work.
03:39:05 [AaronSw]
--
03:39:07 [AaronSw]
Calling all design geeks! For an upcoming book on CSS web design, Christopher Schmitt of Babble List seeks the URLs of sites that are: (1) well­designed; (2) CSS and (X)HTML­compliant. Chris is looking for sites that are ³beyond minimalist in style and are pushing the boundaries.² Got a site like that? Send Chris a note about it.
03:39:18 [AaronSw]
cssdesign@christopher.org
03:39:29 [AaronSw]
-- http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0102d.html#everythingbutthegirl
03:41:00 [AaronSw]
WTF!
03:41:07 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw hears really loud spaceship noises overhead
03:44:23 [sbp]
heh, cool
03:44:29 [sbp]
look out the window
03:47:19 [AaronSw]
I did, that's how I heard it.
03:47:23 [AaronSw]
Couldn't see anything tho.
03:47:27 [sbp]
weird
03:47:53 [AaronSw]
It went like: blibbleblibbleblibblekpstfffffffft. where the krspffffffffft sounded like a plane taking off or something.
03:48:10 [AaronSw]
heh! http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/polygons.html
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03:48:17 [sbp]
Heh. Riveting account there, Aaron
03:48:31 [sbp]
* sbp is rather impressed with this editor
03:48:49 [AaronSw]
more CSS madness! http://www.tantek.com/
03:48:53 [sbp]
Hmm... they don't quite style right
03:49:03 [AaronSw]
your browser must suck then
03:49:26 [AaronSw]
i think tantek must be the only person who knows how to make circles out of plain CSS.
03:49:27 [sbp]
IE6
03:49:34 [sbp]
yeah. He scares me
03:49:49 [AaronSw]
He's also one of the few guys who writes the specs and the browsers.
03:50:09 [AaronSw]
He's very nice, met him at the Plenary. (Looked a bit like a borg with all his gear on, tho.)
03:50:36 [sbp]
down to 16KB: hooray!
03:50:55 [sbp]
a few bugs to sort out...
03:52:12 [sbp]
problem is, I can't find the license for PyEdit
03:53:00 [AaronSw]
Cool, Dave reads my blog.
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04:12:24 [lun]
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Hi lun
04:13:59 [lun]
heya
04:14:21 [lun]
so... what's this channel all about?
04:15:11 [AaronSw]
spelling, phenomics, semantic web, python, crypto, elephants, weblogging, rdf
04:15:34 [lun]
okay
04:18:15 [AaronSw]
what brings you here?
04:18:48 [lun]
dunno
04:18:49 [AaronSw]
hmm, where should I put the simpsons CGI...
04:18:58 [lun]
I'm just checking out freshmeat's ircd
04:21:24 [sbp]
Uh huh
04:21:34 [sbp]
ooh, you're going to put the Simpsons CGI up?
04:21:41 [AaronSw]
Of course.
04:21:49 [sbp]
cool
04:22:18 [lun]
anyone get snow today?
04:22:55 [sbp]
Aaron made a snowman recently
04:23:17 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I was quite surprised.
04:23:33 [lun]
hehe
04:23:37 [AaronSw]
how's the weather in PA?
04:23:42 [lun]
we got like, 3 inches
04:23:46 [lun]
cold
04:24:26 [AaronSw]
.google silicon pines assisted computing facility
04:24:27 [xena]
silicon pines assisted computing facility: http://www.satirewire.com/features/siliconpines/acf.shtml
04:24:32 [AaronSw]
^ funny
04:26:41 [sbp]
* sbp really likes editor.py
04:26:51 [AaronSw]
put it on the web then
04:27:36 [lun]
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04:28:49 [AaronSw]
simpsons.py should support frasier and all the other shows you watch.
04:30:06 [AaronSw]
!playing
04:30:10 [AaronSw]
!nowplaying
04:30:12 [AaronSw]
hmm
04:30:22 [AaronSw]
!playing
04:30:44 [AaronSw]
Now Playing: "Pepper", Butthole Surfers
04:31:00 [AaronSw]
Now Playing "Weird Revolution", Butthole Surfers
04:31:47 [sbp]
I know what time Frasier is on. That's very pre-defined, and rarely changes
04:32:12 [sbp]
I can't put editor.py on the Web until I know the license for PyEdit
04:32:21 [sbp]
.google PyEdit license
04:32:23 [xena]
PyEdit license: http://www.worldforge.org/website/helpdesk/toolshelp/cvs-modules
04:32:43 [sbp]
ugh, Zope sucks
04:32:49 [AaronSw]
hmmwhy's that?
04:33:24 [AaronSw]
I assume if it's example code, it's under some reasonable licese.
04:33:33 [AaronSw]
err license
04:33:40 [AaronSw]
where reasonable means free software
04:33:53 [sbp]
aha! """The above work is covered by the GNU Free Documentation License and
04:33:53 [sbp]
GNU Public License unless explicitly stated otherwise by the author.
04:33:54 [sbp]
"""
04:34:00 [sbp]
hooray!
04:34:01 [AaronSw]
nice
04:34:20 [sbp]
thanks to the Google cache...
04:34:34 [sbp]
* sbp tries http://web.alexa.org/*/http://www.worldforge.org/website/helpdesk/toolshelp/cvs-modules
04:35:11 [sbp]
oops, archive.org
04:37:53 [AaronSw]
argh, so much stuff to do
04:38:37 [sbp]
argh: """We're sorry. We were unable to retrieve the requested data. We may be experiencing technical difficulties and suggest that you try again later.""" - http://web.archive.org/web/20010714040738/http://www.worldforge.org/website/helpdesk/toolshelp/cvs-modules
04:41:35 [sbp]
* sbp invents the term "fableware"
04:46:25 [tav]
heh
04:46:30 [AaronSw]
is that what the Plex is?
04:46:30 [tav]
a 404 is hardly the fault of zope
04:47:05 [AaronSw]
wow, some guy I've never heard of gave $300 to MB.
04:47:08 [sbp]
no, but the crapness of the 404 result is :-)
04:47:16 [tav]
musicbrainz ?
04:47:24 [sbp]
Mark Bernstein?
04:47:24 [AaronSw]
yeah
04:47:27 [AaronSw]
musicbrainz
04:47:36 [AaronSw]
Mark Baker?
04:47:46 [AaronSw]
Zope also puts in some crazy HTTP headers.
04:47:46 [tav]
never heard of him
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* sbp wonders how to change the TK icon
05:12:13 [sbp]
* sbp adds a function to load from the Web
05:14:27 [AaronSw]
Hmm, why is my name "Aaron Swartz,,,"
05:14:38 [sbp]
pardon?
05:15:08 [AaronSw]
on my machine
05:15:42 [AaronSw]
for example, in /etc/passwd:
05:15:44 [AaronSw]
aaronsw:x:1000:1000:Aaron Swartz,,,:/home/aaronsw:/bin/bash
05:15:50 [sbp]
Ugh
05:16:20 [sbp]
Kick ass! It opened a file from the Web
05:16:27 [AaronSw]
neat!
05:16:48 [sbp]
now all I need to do is get it saving over the Web... that'll be so cool
05:19:29 [deltab]
AaronSw: there are comma-seperated fields for phone numbers and room number
05:19:44 [deltab]
man chfn
05:20:11 [AaronSw]
ah, tx
05:22:22 [sbp]
* sbp really really likes editor.py now - is considering using it instead of Notepad
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hello
05:24:15 [sbp]
Hi there
05:24:19 [BenSw]
whats up
05:24:32 [sbp]
writing a text editor
05:24:41 [AaronSw]
sbp, we need a uri!
05:24:44 [BenSw]
Heh, heh, heh
05:24:46 [AaronSw]
bensw is logging in from vorpal
05:24:59 [sbp]
* sbp is still hacking it
05:25:03 [sbp]
Vorpal: neat
05:25:11 [BenSw]
ach I hate bitchX, i can only be in one channel
05:25:16 [sbp]
ooh, I could hook it up with QuickPut and browser.py
05:25:26 [sbp]
HyperText would be quite tricky, though, I guess
05:25:38 [BenSw]
* BenSw takes out a katakana and slices AaronSw and levels, hes level 5
05:25:41 [BenSw]
lol
05:25:42 [sbp]
bitchX is a bitch
05:25:53 [BenSw]
ya it is
05:26:14 [BenSw]
* BenSw takes a AK47 and blasts AaronSw to death
05:26:36 [AaronSw]
sbp, please... a uri!
05:28:19 [AaronSw]
Ugh, I can't stand right-and-left-justified email
05:28:38 [BenSw]
* BenSw grants sbp playerhood becoming a level 1 swordsman
05:29:23 [sbp]
* sbp edits editor.py using itself
05:30:22 [BenSw]
whyd you join sbp
05:30:45 [sbp]
I'm always in #sbp
05:30:51 [AaronSw]
heh
05:38:16 [sbp]
* sbp gets an odd error when cloning a document
05:40:49 [sbp]
TclError: unknown option "-parent"
05:42:10 [sbp]
oh, duh
05:42:46 [sbp]
ooh, that went disasterously wrong
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05:44:13 [sbp]
that'll probably have to do for now. It's 13.8KB
05:44:49 [sbp]
notepad.exe is 52KB
05:44:58 [AaronSw]
heh
05:45:03 [AaronSw]
go on, put it on the web
05:45:05 [sbp]
and it buggers up \r and can't open from the Web :-)
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05:46:16 [GabeW]
hey all
05:46:20 [sbp]
Hi there
05:46:42 [GabeW]
haven't been on irc much recently
05:46:47 [AaronSw]
hey GabeW
05:46:52 [AaronSw]
setting up my new server today
05:47:13 [GabeW]
I tried taking notes in n3 during a meeting the other day - kind of an interesting effort
05:47:18 [GabeW]
oh yeah, the new dell server?
05:47:21 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
05:47:25 [AaronSw]
Heh, using mr76?
05:47:31 [AaronSw]
How'd it go?
05:48:10 [GabeW]
well, lots of made up properties and literals as objects ;-)
05:48:21 [AaronSw]
nothing wrong with that.
05:48:33 [AaronSw]
you probably mean literals as subjects, tho ;-)
05:49:51 [GabeW]
well, it got to the point that I was basically just writing english awkwardly with lots of extra colons ;-)
05:50:06 [GabeW]
but thats due in part to my not "thinking breathing sleeping" rdf
05:50:31 [AaronSw]
Older versions of N3 let you omit the colons. ;-)
05:50:48 [GabeW]
nontheless, its a really interesting excercise because you really get to understand all the issues about how to represent ideas and such in rdf
05:50:50 [AaronSw]
john getsUp quicky. john says "we must be really strategic!".
05:51:05 [AaronSw]
yeah, doing that sort of thing is fun
05:51:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw plays guess-which-password-i-want with Courier-IMAP
05:52:42 [GabeW]
yeah, though, I did find that serializing UML-style diagrams was pretty easy
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05:57:00 [deltab]
ar: problem?
05:57:41 [AaronSw]
I guess I need to create a userdb... pw2userdb > /etc/courier/userdb?
06:02:29 [AaronSw]
deltab, i'm getting invalid userid/password errors from courier-imap
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06:05:19 [deltab]
are you including your domain name in the username at login?
06:06:22 [AaronSw]
no
06:06:34 [AaronSw]
which domain name? I tried using the FQDN of the server...
06:07:09 [AaronSw]
still no luck with that, tho
06:11:15 [GabeW]
night all
06:11:20 [AaronSw]
nite
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06:23:24 [AaronSw]
tav, does that zope photo manager you pointed me to resize photos for me
06:23:31 [tav]
yes
06:23:38 [AaronSw]
cool
06:23:46 [tav]
PIL power!
06:23:53 [tav]
i really dig the photo product
06:23:58 [tav]
it's cool and fully functional
06:24:30 [AaronSw]
cool, i'll definitely check that out.
06:24:34 [AaronSw]
.google zope photo product
06:24:35 [xena]
zope photo product: http://www.zope.org/Members/Drew/Photo
06:24:48 [tav]
wrong one
06:24:57 [tav]
http://www.zope.org/Members/rbickers/Photo
06:24:59 [sbp]
Aaron, can you exec .pyw files on OS X?
06:25:04 [AaronSw]
pyw?
06:25:10 [tav]
win...
06:25:10 [sbp]
obviously not
06:26:04 [sbp]
Hmm... can't drag a file onto the window. That's a bit of a bummer
06:38:04 [sbp]
Aaron: what's your favourite programming language (if other than Python)?
06:38:24 [AaronSw]
hmm, that's a tricky one
06:38:47 [sbp]
def ask(person):
06:39:04 [sbp]
if person.favouriteLanguage != 'Python': print person.favouriteLanguage
06:39:13 [sbp]
ask(Aaron)
06:39:23 [AaronSw]
None
06:39:29 [sbp]
:-)
06:39:53 [sbp]
I guess that answers the question for myself too...
06:41:14 [AaronSw]
hmm, anyone want to give me a signed x.509 cert?
06:43:10 [sbp]
nope
06:58:09 [hazmat]
top of the evening to ya, gents.
06:58:41 [sbp]
g'evening
07:03:53 [sbp]
Gotta run
07:08:41 [hazmat]
cheers
07:09:19 [AaronSw]
nite hazmat
07:09:25 [AaronSw]
i better get to sleep too. c'ya all
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helo
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: "At my house we celebrate Pi Time (3:14), Double Pi Time (6:28) and Backwards Pi Time (4:13)."
13:58:53 [AaronSw]
Spam subject: "Have you read the Register?"
13:58:54 [AaronSw]
Weird.
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15:21:25 [AaronSw]
whoo, compiling courier-imap by hand made it all work
15:21:31 [AaronSw]
filed a bug report aganst the package
15:25:59 [AaronSw]
can't believe i wasted all that time
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* sbp hacks on editor.pyw
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* AaronSw adds spamassassin to his mail flow
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* sbp waves
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* AaronSw waves
17:25:49 [AaronSw]
woo, got it working
17:26:00 [sbp]
Good, good
17:29:50 [AaronSw]
deltab, would you mind looking it over?
17:30:10 [AaronSw]
it's a small shell script for .qmail
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Gotta run
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18:45:49 [AaronSw]
i've got a shell script with a variable in it
18:45:58 [AaronSw]
the variable contains newlines
18:46:03 [AaronSw]
how do i print the variable?
18:50:42 [AaronSw]
heh http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/abs/html/recess-time.html
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* sbp just watched a great new Simpsons
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19:02:19 [AaronSw]
hmm, now i need a sed script to turn a newline into \n
19:06:03 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw guesses sed -e 's/$/\n/g'
19:07:29 [sbp]
did it work?
19:07:48 [AaronSw]
hmm, sort of
19:08:03 [AaronSw]
the sed script worked, but now the rest of the script doesn't
19:17:45 [AaronSw]
oh shoot... no i can't use a sed script since it messes with the return value
19:27:04 [AaronSw]
ok, here's the moment of truth...
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(i replaced return code checking with a grep
19:27:21 [AaronSw]
... this script is going to be so slow)
19:27:31 [tomc]
:o) so long as it works
19:29:22 [AaronSw]
blargh! it doesn't work
19:29:45 [tomc]
:o(
19:31:46 [AaronSw]
odd... somewhere the \n is being turned into a n
19:31:51 [AaronSw]
but it doesn't happen when I write to a file
19:37:09 [AaronSw]
ok, that was random
19:37:16 [AaronSw]
it worked if i used three \s instead of two
19:38:23 [tomc]
well of course
19:38:30 [AaronSw]
hmm, no wait. that adds a space at the begginning of each line, so that's no good
19:38:49 [tomc]
oh :o( usually you can just stack up backslashes until it works :D
19:40:00 [sbp]
* sbp waves from a break in The Simpsons
19:40:12 [AaronSw]
hi there
19:40:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is in shell script madness
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Heh, heh
19:40:33 [AaronSw]
i think i'm going to break down and use python
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hmm, i don't think i can set python's return code
19:56:10 [AaronSw]
ah, sys.exit
19:57:22 [sbp]
Homer: It's not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but somehow I managed to fit in eight hours of T.V. a day
19:57:38 [sbp]
heh, another classic episode
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Gotta run
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yay! victory at long last
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ooh, server is almost configured
20:59:52 [hazmat]
hello
21:00:51 [hazmat]
hey aaronsw you can escape backslash plague by using raw strings ie, arerawstring'
21:01:05 [hazmat]
ugh.. xchat completion
21:01:12 [hazmat]
arefff'
21:01:12 [AaronSw]
r'rawstromg'?
21:01:15 [hazmat]
yes
21:01:23 [AaronSw]
yeah, except i was writing bash scripts ;-)
21:01:34 [hazmat]
oh...
21:01:36 [hazmat]
;)
21:01:44 [AaronSw]
i finally gave in and swithced to python and it was so much easier
21:13:29 [AaronSw]
ugh, machine is going wonky on me... bbiab
21:57:02 [sbp]
Phil Jupitus: "I just got my first computer - I bought an iMac off my mum. She was using it to try to get the hair off of her leg."
21:58:17 [AaronSw]
Heh.
21:58:28 [AaronSw]
tav, please, please, please, please fix he templates on plexdev.org
22:00:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw blogs karl's review of R8: "It doesn't validate!!!"
22:01:53 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0102d.html#science
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http://radio.weblogs.com/0100663/2002/01/20.html#a48
22:19:23 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.theonion.com/onion3801/infograph_3801.html
22:25:22 [sbp]
heh: "Wuvs you"
22:26:25 [sbp]
Hooray! I got editing over the Web to work!
22:26:50 [sbp]
I can now open http://infomesh.net/2002/test.html, edit it, click save, and it does the rest for me
22:28:02 [deltab]
is it meant to be 0 bytes long?
22:28:09 [sbp]
hit refresh
22:28:26 [deltab]
cool
22:28:40 [AaronSw]
heh
22:28:45 [sbp]
* sbp has to add something to let you know when it's saved correctly
22:38:11 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw heads off to dinner
22:43:41 [AaronSw]
lol: http://ter.air0day.com/lotr.html
22:43:54 [AaronSw]
"""
22:43:55 [AaronSw]
ELIJAH WOOD
22:43:56 [AaronSw]
Alright, let's go! But only if you
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act so moronically that you not
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only nearly sabotage our mission
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repeatedly, but also drastically
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undermine the otherwise serious
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tone of the film.
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"""
22:44:04 [AaronSw]
WARNING: spoliers
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(duh)
22:49:19 [AaronSw]
ok, now it's really dinner
22:49:21 [AaronSw]
c'ya
22:50:00 [sbp]
c'ya
22:55:59 [sbp]
wow, it's so great to be able to save directly over the Web using a decent text editor
23:21:18 [hazmat]
sbp: are you using webdav?
23:23:26 [sbp]
webdav? no way
23:23:40 [sbp]
FTP, and I may add HTTP PUT if need be
23:23:52 [hazmat]
ah. ok, just curious.
23:24:13 [hazmat]
what kind of server is it?
23:24:17 [sbp]
I may add WebDAV if it's a) easy b) there's a market for it
23:24:20 [sbp]
server: IIS
23:24:30 [sbp]
FTP is pretty common...
23:24:40 [sbp]
and HTTP PUT should be used, really
23:25:29 [hazmat]
ya, know that zope does all this stuff ;)
23:25:31 [hazmat]
* hazmat ducks
23:25:36 [sbp]
ugh
23:25:48 [hazmat]
ftp, http put, webdav, etc.
23:25:59 [sbp]
doesn
23:26:02 [sbp]
ugh
23:26:10 [sbp]
it strangely doesn't stop it from sucking, though, does it?
23:26:20 [sbp]
my turn to duck
23:26:22 [hazmat]
only for those who want it to.
23:26:37 [sbp]
sure :-)
23:26:47 [hazmat]
* hazmat slaps on his zope persistence suit.
23:26:54 [sbp]
I'd rather install Java and use JigSaw
23:27:10 [hazmat]
oooo.. low blow.
23:27:15 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:27:18 [hazmat]
jigsaw is interesting though.
23:27:39 [sbp]
yeah, it seems quite cool, but it suffers from the same "ease of use" problems as Zope
23:27:55 [sbp]
* sbp still favors Apache
23:32:31 [hazmat]
what do you mean by ease of use?
23:33:00 [hazmat]
zope seems pretty pointy clicky to me, in terms of setting it up.
23:33:32 [sbp]
I can blast even the neatest of interfaces. Believe me, I'm rather particular. WHy do you think I'm writing my own next editor? There are hundreds of text editors out there, and they all suck
23:34:05 [hazmat]
sbp: ttw editor?
23:35:00 [sbp]
no, just a standalone program
23:35:13 [sbp]
I'm using [insert shudder] Tkinter
23:35:49 [hazmat]
wow, can i give you some flint?
23:35:56 [sbp]
heh
23:36:16 [hazmat]
sbp: ever looked at scintilla?
23:36:17 [sbp]
I know, I know... but all I'm interested in are the results
23:36:27 [sbp]
scintilla: I believe you referred me to that before
23:36:41 [hazmat]
doubtful, i don't think i've mentined it in this forum.
23:36:50 [hazmat]
its a pretty kickass editing widget/tool.
23:37:00 [sbp]
logster, grep hazmat.*scintilla
23:39:06 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'hazmat.*scintilla'
23:39:07 [logster]
0) 2002-01-20 23:37:00 <sbp> logster, grep hazmat.*scintilla
23:39:08 [logster]
1) 2002-01-20 23:36:16 <hazmat> sbp: ever looked at scintilla?
23:39:14 [hazmat]
komodo and wing ide both use it as their editing widget
23:39:14 [hazmat]
www.scintilla.org
23:39:14 [hazmat]
actually black adder does as well.
23:39:14 [hazmat]
www.scintilla.org
23:39:14 [sbp]
logster is so speedy these days
23:39:14 [hazmat]
i think only the pytgtk bindings are open source though.
23:39:14 [hazmat]
s/logster/turtle
23:39:27 [sbp]
Hmm... what was it that I was referred to before, then?
23:40:01 [hazmat]
perhaps someone else referred you .
23:40:01 [sbp]
possibly
23:41:17 [hazmat]
.google qt and scintilla
23:41:18 [xena]
qt and scintilla: http://mats.gmd.de/pipermail/pykde/2001-January/000769.html
23:41:37 [sbp]
aha:-
23:41:38 [sbp]
[[[
23:41:39 [sbp]
00:48:59 <sbp> Hmm... I really don't like TKinter; can't get into it
23:41:39 [sbp]
01:02:18 <sbp> OTOH, IDLE is wonderful
23:41:39 [sbp]
01:03:23 <hazmat> wingide rulz
23:42:04 [sbp]
]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-10.txt
23:42:20 [sbp]
wow, was that only 10 days ago?
23:45:01 [hazmat]
the logs never lie ;-)
23:45:46 [hazmat]
seriously i would be lost with out wingide... and its emacs key bindings.
23:54:04 [sbp]
* sbp plays Crosstown Traffic