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00:59:47 <asimov.openprojects.net> topic is: At no time is freedom of speech more precious than when a man hits his thumb with a hammer. - Todat's fortune message | I have an urge not merely to be an architect but a builder too. - tav | Everything we do is art. - some native tribe
00:59:47 <asimov.openprojects.net> Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw sbp deltab tav` 
01:00:21 <AaronSw> * AaronSw waves
01:00:23 <AaronSw> Pat Hayes: "We mathematicians do have a certain sense of style. For example, I almost always put on a bow tie before typing long formulae."
01:00:26 <AaronSw> Pat Hayes: "I ran the text through three spellcheckers but they didn't find the the the."
01:00:54 <sbp> lol
01:17:36 <AaronSw> Heh, love your critique of Quality Tips
01:18:05 <sbp> thanks :-)
02:01:52 <sbp> <xover> Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
02:01:53 <sbp> <xover> And my favourite: "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions".
02:01:53 <sbp> <AaronSw> :-)
02:01:53 <sbp> <sbp> or ignorance. Or bufoonery. Or out and out arseholism
02:01:53 <sbp> <AaronSw> arseholism! How phenomic.
02:01:53 <sbp> <AaronSw> Log that into #swhack.
02:01:54 <sbp> <sbp> why, thank you :-)
02:01:56 <sbp> <xover> ROTFL! :-)
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02:23:20 <AaronSw> *cough* Alzofratz *cough*
02:24:42 <sbp> lol!
02:24:59 <AaronSw> * AaronSw seeds Google with new words.
02:25:07 <AaronSw> http://infomesh.net/2001/phenomic/
02:25:12 <AaronSw> phenomic
02:25:17 <AaronSw> phenomic, phenomic, phenomic
02:25:20 <sbp> He he he, spefegmonemy
02:26:16 <sbp> exispeciferous
02:26:26 <sbp> mendobendle
02:26:42 <sbp> appiplexy
02:26:54 <sbp> flipperoid
02:27:04 <sbp> doobiemehwotsit
02:27:37 <sbp> er...
02:27:38 <AaronSw> actolpolnetic
02:27:46 <sbp> yeah!
02:28:15 <sbp> that's the polbine
02:29:45 <sbp> Did you watch that exispeciferous program on T.V. last night? It had a mondobendle of excelent flipperoids, and an actolpolnetic appiplexy that would leave your doobiemehwotsit in a state of spefegmonemy.
02:30:03 <AaronSw> How actolpolnetic!
02:30:32 <sbp> Very. In fact, nearly sebelplotentic
02:31:36 <AaronSw> Incredible, just subnoctortoscropangular.
02:32:16 <sbp> Now, where did I put my exispeciferous subnoctortoscropangularoid? Ah, there it is
02:33:09 <sbp> I befergled it, and left it next to my potomactoid oblerfugerang
02:33:18 <sbp> splergle!
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02:36:06 <sbp> Hmm... "agluberoid" is almost a transliterated derivative of "angularoid"
02:52:32 <AaronSw> Here's one for mysterylights: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash91.htm
02:54:33 <sbp> Nah
02:54:42 <sbp> Have you even read mysterylights.com?
02:56:58 <sbp> DABF01! Woo!
02:57:30 <AaronSw> I'm just joking with you, Paranormal Man. ;-)
02:59:23 <sbp> * sbp senses sarcastic hostility, and raises his umbrella
03:00:30 <AaronSw> Ooh, a reply from TimBL for you.
03:00:36 <sbp> Ooooooooh!
03:00:51 <AaronSw> "What would you suggets as a solution?"
03:01:13 <sbp> Oh man... I have a choice?
03:01:47 <AaronSw> * AaronSw knows what he would pick
03:01:54 <sbp> the first?
03:02:04 <AaronSw> You don't even need to.
03:02:17 <AaronSw> You can just look to see if the document author is using the terms and step around them if they are.
03:02:32 <AaronSw> Hmm, that might not work, tho...
03:02:38 <AaronSw> perhaps the first choice is better.
03:02:38 <sbp> No, because what if the author adds something to the document
03:02:43 <sbp> yeah
03:02:51 <AaronSw> Yeah, it doesn't work for long-running cwm instances.
03:03:21 <AaronSw> Or use bNodes with no corresponding URI -- that'd probably be best.
03:04:23 <sbp> Yes, it might be... Hmm... is there any example where that would not be satisfactory? I still prefer my women sober, and my resources labelled
03:06:10 <sbp> the latter suggestion may be best, in that case
03:07:05 <sbp> but you can't output that in XML RDF
03:07:05 <AaronSw> Perhaps we should have this discussion on #rdfig ?
03:07:10 <sbp> I agree...
03:07:31 <AaronSw> Why can't you ouput that in XML/RDF ?
03:07:37 <AaronSw> Just use bNodes.
03:07:42 <sbp> Because it doesn't have a URI!
03:07:52 <sbp> You can't use bNodes in XML/RDF
03:07:58 <AaronSw> Yes you can!
03:08:02 <AaronSw> Where do you think they came from?
03:08:04 <sbp> e.g. You can't have anonymous predicates
03:08:16 <AaronSw> Pff, are we dealing with them here? No.
03:09:08 <sbp> We're dealing with anonymous nodes that are stored in CWM, and the identifier for the root context of a document, as a URI rather than the "this" syntactic element/atom of Notation3
03:09:48 <AaronSw> Yeah, I understand that. Why would they be used as a predicate?
03:10:14 <sbp> :Dog [ daml:inverseOf rdf:type ] :Fido .
03:10:31 <AaronSw> What does that have to do with "this" ?
03:10:47 <sbp> er... sorry, I thought you were talking about something else :-)
03:11:01 <sbp> Shall we do this in #rdfig?
03:11:13 <AaronSw> Go right ahead.
03:12:06 <tav> you two....
03:12:15 <sbp> what?
03:12:27 <sbp> us?
03:12:30 <sbp> :-)
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13:15:52 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Services will be back in a moment, with the usual splits accompanying it.  Please bear with us.
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13:17:14 <AaronSw> hi all
13:17:33 <sbp> Hi Aaron
13:37:48 <AaronSw> Is it any surprise that the National Association of Theatre owners spells out NATO?
13:38:03 <sbp> Not really
13:39:10 <AaronSw> And now they're donating all their proceeds for a day to the Red Cross.
13:39:14 <AaronSw> Go out and see movies!
13:40:05 <AaronSw> Seen on another channel:
13:40:10 <AaronSw> *** [deleted] has quit IRC (No ... this is baddd .. i hate it iiiiikkkkk " it is the postman")
13:41:02 <sbp> ?
13:41:25 <sbp> Am I missing something?
13:41:30 <AaronSw> What's that ? in reference to?
13:42:01 <AaronSw> Heh:
13:42:02 <AaronSw> "Mom is agitating for Irby photographs to be digitized and transferred to her. As soon as I get some Irby photos and movies on-line I'll upload them to Mojo Nation."
13:42:11 <AaronSw> He better hope his Mom can use MojoNation. ;-)
13:42:25 <AaronSw> ...
13:42:28 <AaronSw> "We're getting more than 400 downloads a day! It's a shame that, judging from the incoming e-mail from users, the vast majority of these people can't figure out how to make it work and immediately uninstall it."
13:42:41 <sbp> :-)
13:43:17 <AaronSw> Must be all those folks who want a decentralized swarming-based HTTP-interfaced Napster clone.
13:45:13 <AaronSw> Hmm, JTauber is on the OASIS TC for a DSML -- apparently LDAP in XML.
13:45:38 <sbp> Hmm...
13:45:45 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Help some poor, starving, injured people in need....Go see a movie.
13:47:05 <AaronSw> Wow, Redfoot succumbed to Zawiniski's law pretty quickly -- it already has POP support!
13:48:33 <sbp> lol!
13:49:40 <AaronSw> Now if only they used decent HTML...
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17:31:30 <Morbus> who loves perl?
17:31:41 <Morbus> i need a team of people to duplicate a piece of software in 10 days? <G>
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17:50:08 <AaronSw> I think Morbus has the wrong channel for that. ;-)
17:50:22 <tav> heh
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19:46:36 <AaronSw> Well, would you look at that.
19:46:46 <sbp> What?
19:46:57 <AaronSw> You.
19:47:05 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is feeling somewhat sluggish today.
19:47:06 <sbp> Oh yes; me
19:47:11 <AaronSw> I think I need to lie down or something.
19:47:20 <sbp> You do that
19:48:00 <AaronSw> Nah, takes too much energy.
19:49:53 <AaronSw> Man, my HTTP archives take up 1.6 GB. I need to implement the compression soon...
19:50:16 <AaronSw> Ahh, that's probably why I was feeling sluggish: I was cleaning out my HD.
19:50:37 <AaronSw> Now I can be spritely. ;-)
19:50:41 <AaronSw> ...
19:50:49 <AaronSw> Why does bit literacy == ignoring information?
19:51:06 <AaronSw> What'd you think of "Excess URI schemes considered harmful"?
19:51:31 <sbp> Heh, just got it
19:51:53 <AaronSw> Do you think I should go to P2PCon 2?
19:52:21 <sbp> He obviously hasn't seen http://infomesh.net/2001/09/urischemes/ yet
19:52:58 <AaronSw> :-)
19:53:01 <AaronSw> Have you chumped it?
19:53:13 <sbp> nope
19:53:34 <AaronSw> Perhaps you should, while he's around.
19:53:52 <AaronSw> He just said a bunch a stuff about the XML Infoset in RDF.
19:55:23 <sbp> I'd better run
19:55:25 <sbp> c'ya!
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20:48:13 <AaronSw> I learned a new acronym today: WOLOG
20:48:23 <AaronSw> Without Loss Of Generality
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22:17:51 <AaronSw> hi
22:18:01 <sbp> Hi there
22:29:51 <sbp> Are you feeling any better?
22:30:06 <AaronSw> Yep, much better, thank you.
22:30:11 <AaronSw> Still have a sore throat, tho
22:30:44 <sbp> I know: it's coming through in your writing
22:31:04 <AaronSw> :-)
22:41:25 <sbp> woo! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22persistence+policy%22
22:42:05 <sbp> cool?
22:42:22 <AaronSw> cool!
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23:33:57 <tav> can you hear me?
23:34:09 <AaronSw> Some lag on your end.
23:34:40 <sbp> tav: pardon?
23:34:54 <AaronSw> It seems there's some trouble with serious lag on tav's end.
23:35:28 <tav`> hmz
23:35:37 <tav`> i got pings of 20 seconds in esp