IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-01

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00:00:33 [AaronSw-UK]

happy new year!

00:09:15 [sbp]

Happy new year

00:09:27 [sbp]

Lots of fireworks here!

00:10:20 [sbp]

We have Jools Holland on TV (of course), relatives on the 'phone, you lot on IRC :-)

00:29:18 [sbp]

ah: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-01.txt

00:40:33 [sbp]

* sbp plays some Beatles songs

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00:50:51 [BenSw]

Hello

00:51:20 [sbp]

Hmm... no logs: http://lists.plexdev.org/pipermail/plex-talk/

00:51:22 [sbp]

Hi Ben!

00:52:29 [sbp]

Plex history: http://web.archive.org/web/20011027233319/http://plexdev.org/

00:53:00 [sbp]

I still think it should have been called "infomesh". Heh, heh

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* sbp writes up a Plex summary thing

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01:09:27 [sbp]

From what I can tell, "Plex" was first suggested w.r.t. this system by tav in our debate about the name on #esp, logs of "Wed Oct 24 03:28:27 2001"

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01:13:40 [sbp]

Later that day, #plex was set up. I wonder what happened in between?

01:18:38 [sbp]

first mention of it on #swhack: 2001-10-25 01:38:20 <sbp> Got Plex?

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01:29:31 [AaronSw-UK]

What happened in between: well, me and tav had a nice long chat.

01:29:45 [sbp]

Public/Private?

01:29:46 [AaronSw-UK]

Also be sure to include links to my "epiphany" day -- that'd be cool to point to if Plex ever takes off.

01:29:53 [AaronSw-UK]

Somewhere in between.

01:30:03 [sbp]

yep: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Sep/0067

01:30:26 [AaronSw-UK]

Thanks.

01:30:44 [AaronSw-UK]

I was just thinking of assembling a Plex history, actually -- you beat me to it!

01:31:38 [sbp]

It'd be nice to sort some of those old logs out. Conversations in #esp, #plex, and #swhack... and some in private

01:31:47 [AaronSw-UK]

Yeah.

01:31:55 [sbp]

There isn't much of a history to assemble, yet

01:32:30 [AaronSw-UK]

But still -- we should be good historians of these early days.

01:32:51 [AaronSw-UK]

I'm excited to see some interest in it. Got a number of positive responses to my small mention in Schoolyard Subversion.

01:33:07 [sbp]

Ooh, that is good news

01:33:47 [sbp]

I feel as if I have sadly neglected Plex, especially when you first started talking about it. I apologize in advance for that, and continue to apologize as it continutes to get shelved in my TODO list :-)

01:33:58 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh heh.

01:34:05 [AaronSw-UK]

Yeah, http://www.doid.com/ and http://www.robertbrook.com/ seem to be interested.

01:34:16 [AaronSw-UK]

OK, Ben is kicking me off the computer.

01:34:50 [sbp]

ah, here's some real history: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2001-09-11.txt

01:35:49 [AaronSw-UK]

What'd you mean the other day about using Plex for publishing?

01:35:54 [AaronSw-UK]

history: pph, yes!

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01:36:08 [AaronSw-UK]

Hah, I was right! It was September the 10th that I became an espian!

01:36:15 [AaronSw-UK]

Sept. 11 in UTC time.

01:36:18 [GabeW]

happy new year uk'ers

01:36:34 [AaronSw-UK]

happy new years GabeW! #newyear

01:36:39 [GabeW]

you should be partying, you shouldn't be on irc

01:36:49 [sbp]

Happy new year, Gabe

01:37:20 [AaronSw-UK]

The drunken revelry in Trafalgar Square is too dangerous, apparently.

01:37:28 [sbp]

Heh, heh, heh

01:38:12 [GabeW]

i got a ps/2 from my wife for christmans and I bought myself a gps unit and I'm having soo much fun

01:38:34 [GabeW]

geeking out

01:38:57 [sbp]

Plex for publishing: when I write a Web page I worry. Who is going to host it? How long is it going to last? Will I have to move it? Will people be able to find it? Will anyone archive it? etc. I want Plex to make that worry go away - to have the ability to click "publish" and send it off on its merry way

01:39:26 [sbp]

pph?

01:39:41 [GabeW]

just pay the internet archive to handle all that for you ;-)

01:39:42 [AaronSw-UK]

Yeah, the Plex should definitely take care of that... within reason.

01:39:48 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh, heh, heh

01:42:02 [sbp]

* sbp wonders how best to have fun with a PS/2 and a GPS unit... could they somehow be combined to create a super-mega-fun-unit-deeley?

01:43:22 [sbp]

aha! 2001-09-11 01:29:38 <AaronSw> tav, what does plexname do?

01:43:31 [sbp]

you *had* to ask, didn't you?

01:44:16 [AaronSw-UK]

* AaronSw-UK laughs

01:44:26 [AaronSw-UK]

Me and my stupid-question-asking mouth.

01:44:41 [sbp]

lol

01:45:05 [AaronSw-UK]

--

01:45:05 [AaronSw-UK]

[13:22:59] <tav`> well, i was right about the camera stealing my soul

01:45:05 [AaronSw-UK]

[13:23:21] <tav`> his battery ran out, and he tried to put it in the charger, and put in the wrong way, and it got stuck!

01:45:06 [AaronSw-UK]

[13:23:34] <tav`> that was my soul, trying to free itself!

01:45:06 [AaronSw-UK]

--

01:45:25 [sbp]

lol!

01:46:12 [AaronSw-UK]

swhack: just like BBC News 24 except totally different.

01:46:48 [sbp]

How are we different?

01:47:01 [AaronSw-UK]

Today's Top Stories: AaronSw Visits sbp On Peace Mission | New Years Begins in the UK | We're Not Using the Euro | Nobody Died

01:47:42 [sbp]

You and your swhacky ways

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01:51:43 [sbp]

So, any predictions for #shwack in 2002, Aaron?

01:51:52 [sbp]

or #swhack

01:52:08 [AaronSw-UK]

Hmm.

01:52:30 [AaronSw-UK]

I think there will be a Swhack on every desktop, running Palmersoft Software.

01:53:22 [sbp]

Palmersoft? Sounds like a fabric softener

01:53:33 [BenSw]

lol

01:54:08 [sbp]

Are you two sharing a connection, or something?

01:54:16 [BenSw]

ya

01:54:20 [AaronSw-UK]

something like that

01:54:22 [sbp]

cool

01:54:31 [AaronSw-UK]

We fight for control of the machine.

01:54:53 [sbp]

Heh, heh. I can hear the hitting and tugging of hair from here

01:55:15 [AaronSw-UK]

* AaronSw-UK hits and tugs hair

01:56:47 [AaronSw-UK]

.time +2

01:56:47 [xena]

error: Site Error occurred: KeyError

01:56:52 [AaronSw-UK]

.time gmt+2

01:56:53 [xena]

Jan. 1, 2002 3:58 am GMT+2

01:57:00 [AaronSw-UK]

.time gmt-2

01:57:00 [xena]

Dec. 31, 2001 11:58 pm GMT-2

01:58:48 [AaronSw-UK]

Well, we should probably get to bed now.

01:58:56 [sbp]

c'ya

01:59:00 [AaronSw-UK]

c'ya

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02:00:40 [AaronSw-UK]

grr, that was been

02:00:41 [AaronSw-UK]

err ben

02:00:44 [AaronSw-UK]

nite all

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02:00:59 [sbp]

heh, heh

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02:16:26 [sbp]

I can't wait to have some type of Plex client/server software installed. Even if it barely works

02:16:31 [sbp]

Even if it doesn't work

02:17:19 [sbp]

For the record, SHA5** was chosen for the Plex on 2001-12-03, somewhere in the shadow of #plex. On the other side of the mountain, as it were

02:20:01 [sbp]

Chord seems quite good. Shame about the PS/PDF documentation

02:20:17 [sbp]

'tis alright, I guess

02:26:05 [sbp]

The bit about scaling up the cost of a log up being a log graph is rather neat - the difference between having 5 million and 5 billion users will be negligable

02:26:29 [sbp]

I'm still not quite sure how queries are routed, though

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02:29:06 [sbp]

Packaging is going to be very important. Still port to everything (and port quickly!), but make sure that it's well presented

02:31:27 [sbp]

[[[

02:31:27 [sbp]

The identifier length must be large enough to make the probability of

02:31:27 [sbp]

two nodes or keys hashing to the same iden-tifier negligible.

02:31:27 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/papers/chord:sigcomm01/chord_sigcomm.pdf

02:31:38 [sbp]

Heh, and they suggest SHA-1?

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[[[

03:05:19 [sbp]

Page 27 shows the result of hashing the 24-bit message \abc". After padding the

03:05:19 [sbp]

message becomes (in hexadecimal)

03:05:19 [sbp]

61626380 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

03:05:19 [sbp]

00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

03:05:21 [sbp]

00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

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00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000018;

03:05:25 [sbp]

and the hash value is

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ddaf35a193617aba cc417349ae204131 12e6fa4e89a97ea2 0a9eeee64b55d39a

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2192992a274fc1a8 36ba3c23a3feebbd 454d4423643ce80e 2a9ac94fa54ca49f:

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]]] - http://csrc.nist.gov/encryption/shs/sha256-384-512.pdf

03:17:31 [sbp]

Hooray!

03:17:32 [sbp]

[[[

03:17:33 [sbp]

$ sha512 abc

03:17:33 [sbp]

SHA512 : abc

03:17:33 [sbp]

ddaf35a193617abacc417349ae20413112e6fa4e89a97ea20a9eeee64b55d39a

03:17:33 [sbp]

2192992a274fc1a836ba3c23a3feebbd454d4423643ce80e2a9ac94fa54ca49f

03:17:34 [sbp]

]]]

03:23:03 [sbp]

shame it doesn't take pipes

03:23:05 [sbp]

[[[

03:23:05 [sbp]

$ lynx http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-31.txt -dump -source > temp-temp; sha512 temp-temp; rm temp-temp

03:23:05 [sbp]

SHA512 : temp-temp

03:23:05 [sbp]

b7920b0bcb1ed3c14c45938911fe43f050a42790e91dda6df98ff570176564cd

03:23:05 [sbp]

0b692da40e23465ea0dab4a32dc637153232cb893b89be7baa499e71a4f6a4a7

03:23:09 [sbp]

]]]

03:30:48 [sbp]

<fdb:sha512:b7920b0bcb1ed3c14c45938911fe43f050a42790e91dda6df98ff570176564cd0b692da40e23465ea0dab4a32dc637153232cb893b89be7baa499e71a4f6a4a7> = <http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-31.txt> .

03:32:29 [sbp]

t/fdb/tdb/

03:32:54 [sbp]

or: [ :sha512 "b7920b0bcb1ed3c14c45938911fe43f050a42790e91dda6df98ff570176564cd0b692da40e23465ea0dab4a32dc637153232cb893b89be7baa499e71a4f6a4a7" ] .

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.seen AaronSw-UK

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05:39:15 [tav`]

happy new years!

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Hey

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Anyone know of any exploits in Win2K I can use

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it's a server with IIS

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@ http://members.aol.com/erichuf/Linux.html

17:32:18 [chumpster]

A: Linux; a replacement for Windows, or a Marxist fantasy? from sbp

17:33:56 [sbp]

A::"""The world I see is not the same world that the open source advocates see. I think the open source advocates are seeing their fantasies, not the real world."""

17:33:57 [chumpster]

commented item A

17:35:02 [sbp]

A::Although there is some generalization (i.e. I can relate to this for some FS people, but certainly not all), it's well written, and well worth reading

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commented item A

17:36:46 [sbp]

A::And I don't particularly believe that open source ideals are as succeptable to corruption as communist ideals, although that's open for debate. It's an interesting analogy, all the same

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commented item A

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A::Heh: """As I read those remarks, I felt the flash of pity for all Europeans who are suffering under oppressive governments that prevent them from purchasing guns. [...] The Europeans are not a free people who enjoy life; rather, they are denied basic freedoms, such as owning guns."""

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commented item A

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18:50:57 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. Please do not attempt to join #secrets or #!/bin/sh at this time. They are currently infested with bots and attempting to join may cause the automation to kline you. If you run into any problems, please email support@openprojects.net. Thanks.

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Hello

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kl[;']

19:28:57 [AaronSw-UK]

^ that was Ben

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Hello

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22:35:34 [BenSw]

wb sbp[

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s/]//

22:35:48 [sbp]

ty

22:35:49 [BenSw]

s/[//

22:35:57 [BenSw]

Something like that

22:38:15 [BenSw]

whats up, just after watchin 2 Simpsons and a fraiser

22:39:23 [sbp]

Actually, there were two hours of The Simpsons :-)

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And two Frasiers, but they were on simultaneously, so I had to tape one

22:40:20 [BenSw]

really i guess i missed 2

22:40:42 [BenSw]

i saw praiseland.. but I cant recall the other

22:41:50 [BenSw]

Im watchin 'Shakespeare in love' right now on BBC 1 I believe

22:41:59 [deltab]

yes

22:42:13 [BenSw]

Are you watching it?

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I am now

22:42:33 [BenSw]

Heh, heh, heh

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* sbp plays "Hard Day's Night"

23:01:46 [BenSw]

On the Beatles Cd w/ all songs or the actual record?

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23:18:07 [BenSw`]

Comp crashed

23:18:36 [deltab]

welcome back ben

23:19:06 [BenSw`]

Hey Deltab

23:20:45 [sbp]

Ugh: http://www.pearlltd.com/content/news/10-27-99.html

23:21:46 [BenSw`]

Shakespeare is done

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s/done/over

23:25:09 [sbp]

Hooray! Python 2.2 is now available for CygWin

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Ooh, cool, sbp

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