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That's the important thing 18:01:50 Heh. 18:01:50 Heh, heh, heh 18:01:51 Heh, it's kinda weird to think that you were sitting here about a couple of hours ago 18:02:11 Same here. 18:02:19 (With the pronouns reversed.) 18:02:31 (Like in the Simpsons episode.) 18:02:43 (Which Simpsons episode?) 18:03:00 (The one we watched.) 18:03:08 (We watched quite a few.) 18:04:07 In fact, did we do *anything* other than watch Simpsons episodes? I guess not 18:04:26 Then again, is there anything else to do on this planet other than watch The Simpsons? 18:04:37 Heh heh, my mum keeps asking me about that. 18:05:00 About what? The Simpsons obsession? Well, I'm weird 18:06:00 no, about whether we were going to do something other than watch the simpsons. 18:06:01 .time est 18:06:01 Dec. 31, 2001 1:07 pm US/Eastern 18:06:58 Should we have done something more "constructive"? Built the Plex or something. I thought Ben might have been bored had we have started chatting to each other on IRC 18:07:17 Heh heh, we forgot to do that! 18:07:33 I told Ben to be prepared to be bored, and you ruined everything! 18:07:33 Well, you did it. I just sat and watched 18:07:37 Ben: [laughs] 18:07:40 lol 18:08:13 Mmmkay, so it was only a semi-disaster. But I'm a boring chap 18:08:50 Especially when nervous 18:08:58 Heh, not really. 18:09:09 It was really cool meeting you all, thoug 18:09:15 s/thoug/though/ 18:09:15 * AaronSw-UK listened to Love and Theft on the way back, while reading the Assasination Politics manifesto. 18:09:26 Well certainly the same here. 18:09:35 Now you have to come to my house! 18:09:36 Heh, neat. Oh, I remember that thingy coming up on the screen... xena to the rescue? 18:09:43 .google "Assasination Politics" 18:09:44 "Assasination Politics": http://jya.com/ap.htm 18:10:14 One day :-) 18:11:45 Pretty cool that email sent from AaronSw-UK gets sent to the right place. Thanks qmail! 18:12:13 * AaronSw-UK renamed his machine "Slithy" while he was at sbp's house, as part of his new Jabberwocky naming scheme. 18:12:28 sbp, what channels are you in 18:12:44 All the ones that you can see me in, and #evolt 18:14:00 AaronSw-UK is now known as AardnSw-UK 18:14:20 AardnSw-UK is now known as AaronSw-UK 18:14:53 For the record, that'd be: 18:14:57 #evolt #OpenACS #dotgnu #validator #sbp #rdfig #infoanarchy #swhack 18:15:16 thanks, forgot about #OpenACS :-) 18:15:22 Oopsies! I left AaronSw connected to #rdfig while I was gone. That's going to be annoying. 18:19:50 Anyone know the etymology of vorpal blade? sbp? Bueller? 18:20:22 .google "vorpal blade" etymology 18:20:24 "vorpal blade" etymology: http://www.behindthename.com/messages/8832.html 18:20:59 s/Bueller/Google/ 18:21:09 Bueller? 18:21:25 Bueller, Ferris. 18:22:32 heh: http://www.google.com/logos/newyear02.gif 18:23:00 Heh, heh. 18:23:20 Gotta run. 18:23:35 AaronSw-UK has quit ("dinner") 18:25:30 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? 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Then 20:06:26 again, as to "burble" if you take the three verbs " b leat," "m ur mur" and "war ble ," and select the bits I have underlined, it 20:06:28 certainly makes "burble": though I am afraid I can't distinctly remember having made it that way. 20:06:30 ]]] - http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2104534 20:07:32 aargh, masl is still broken 20:07:50 geez, hide the fact it's a .pdf why don't you 20:08:06 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m369-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 20:08:25 sbp (~sean@m369-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:08:48 "hurry up already!" - my connection must have broken, because I pasted it all in as one block 20:09:33 A PDF with a rather lengthy URI 20:10:07 yeah 20:10:23 not incredibly long tho 20:10:29 i mean, i can paste in http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf rather easily 20:10:33 http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf 20:10:33 http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf 20:10:34 http://occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/kennedycompact_awl/chapter98/medialib/IM/part02.pdf 20:10:37 heh, heh 20:10:38 you hear me? :-) 20:10:58 But just long enough to mess up 80-column email 20:11:47 103 characters... 20:11:56 Hmm, can you do me a small favor? 20:12:10 Visit http://www.festival.org/entry.html and click on the "First Night" button. 20:12:16 Does the text work for you? 20:12:44 Er... it's Flash. It doesn't do anything for me 20:12:52 You don't have Flash? 20:13:08 perhaps you or deltab, etc. can open http://www.festival.org/entry.swf in strings -- we're trying to get the schedule info out 20:13:13 Ah, it's just loaded, and it comes up with a window 20:13:59 I get:

20:14:20 Hmm, me too. Guess it's the Flash file that's broken, then. 20:14:27 I did "lynx http://www.festival.org/entry.swf -dump -source" but it blew up CygWin 20:14:59 heh. do a lynx ... | strings 20:15:27 i'm on silly os 9 w/o any decent console 20:16:47 It's doing it, but the results are meaningless thus far 20:16:48 ah, i can ssh into a decent machine 20:17:56 [[[ 20:17:56 http://www.gre.ac.uk 20:17:57 _blank 20:17:57 http://www.thewoolwich.co.uk 20:17:57 _blank 20:17:57 http://www.fairview.co.uk 20:17:59 _blank 20:18:01 http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk 20:18:03 _blank 20:18:05 UUOX 20:18:07 http://www.berkeleyhomes.co.uk 20:18:09 _blank 20:18:11 http://www.developmentsecurities.com 20:18:13 _blank 20:18:15 http://www.lewisham.ac.uk/index.html 20:18:17 _blank 20:18:19 http://www.nmm.ac.uk 20:18:21 _blank 20:18:23 http://www.lda.gov.uk 20:18:25 _blank 20:18:27 http://www.canarywharf.com/mainfrm1.asp 20:18:29 ]]] - lynx http://www.festival.org/entry.swf -dump -source | strings 20:18:35 [[[ 20:18:35 http://www.gad.org.uk [...] 20:18:37 http://www.lloydstsbfoundations.org.uk [...] 20:18:39 http://www.corpoflondon.gov.uk [...] 20:18:41 http://www.arts.org.uk/directory/regions/london [...] 20:18:43 http://www.nlcb.org.uk 20:18:45 ]]] - ibid. 20:19:05 that's all the decent information 20:19:14 hmm, not too useful 20:19:23 thanks for your help, tho 20:19:28 np 20:22:11 Woohoo! http://www.festival.org/firstnight.html 20:22:53 Cool 20:27:36 Formal Morbus: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-ecommerce/9909/msg00172.html 20:27:48 Morbus recommends typeit4me and quickeys. 20:41:16 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:41:27 sbp (~sean@m369-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:48:20 heh heh heh: http://infomesh.net/2001/01/timblemail/timbl.eml "Dear sirs?" 20:49:21 timbl seems to use :foo and foo: interchangably there... hmm 20:50:02 Whoops 20:50:16 Whoops, what? 20:50:59 odd, wonder why that isn't linked from http://infomesh.net/2001/01/ 20:51:04 I didn't mean to publish that... wonder why I put it up there 20:51:14 argh, he deleted it! 20:51:16 you're no fun 20:51:27 :-) 20:51:45 Fine, I won't tell you anymore interesting things I find on your site. 20:51:54 good thing i archived that. :) 20:52:11 There aren't any more interesting things on my site 20:52:39 * AaronSw-UK mirrors it at http://blogspace.com/rdf/timbl.eml 20:54:25 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m484-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 20:54:44 sbp (~sean@m484-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 20:54:47 ;-) 20:55:06 Could you please delete that? 20:55:45 Aww, that'd be breaking links. 20:57:12 Please do it 20:57:35 You can put a redirect there linking to these logs, or something 20:57:57 I suppose I can replace it with its SHA512 hash, and someone will anonymous insert it into the Plex. 20:58:09 That's fine 20:58:18 :-) 20:58:28 hmm, don't have sha512 on this machine. 20:58:58 Hmm... I should get SHA5** really. It's going to become a commodity 20:59:13 you should 21:00:03 ok 21:00:45 Argh, half the entires in http://www.google.com/search?q=SHA512+Python are from us - already! 21:01:08 Heh! 21:01:20 bbiab 21:02:09 O.K. 21:05:58 BenSw (Snak@ACAEC362.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 21:06:04 Hello 21:06:10 argh- 21:06:26 BenSw is now known as BenSw|away 21:06:52 BenSw|away has left #swhack 21:07:05 AaronSw-UK has quit ("Snak 4.8 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com") 21:07:57 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m173-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 21:08:15 sbp (~sean@m173-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:09:18 Argh, I need inttypes.h from somewhere 21:13:27 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m519-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 21:13:45 sbp (~sean@m519-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:20:41 BenSw (Snak@ACAEC362.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 21:20:56 Hello 21:25:01 Hmm, Its quiet... too quiet 21:25:44 Hi there 21:25:58 Hi 21:25:58 I'm trying to install an SHA5** program 21:26:05 Good at least your talking 21:27:32 Woohoo crispeethingamijegers.com is not registered yet! 21:27:58 lol 21:28:28 Heh, Heh, Heh 21:29:14 lower case for the second and third: "Heh, heh, heh". At least you remembered not to put the period on it :-) 21:30:01 . 21:30:04 no 21:30:13 lol 21:30:24 s/// 21:30:32 whoops 21:30:36 s/.// 21:33:10 so whats up there sbp 21:33:59 oh, wow! http://www1.odn.ne.jp/synsyr/sha/sha.html 21:34:12 Still trying to get the SHA stuff done in time for Frasier :-) 21:35:39 What does it do exactly? 21:36:31 It makes a huge has out of a file. I think it's working! 21:36:43 [[[ 21:36:43 $ sha512 abc 21:36:44 SHA512 : abc 21:36:44 4f285d0c0cc77286d8731798b7aae2639e28270d4166f40d769cbbdca5230714 21:36:44 d848483d364e2f39fe6cb9083c15229b39a33615ebc6d57605f7c43f6906739d 21:36:44 ]]] 21:36:50 'Has'??? 21:36:57 s/has/hash/ 21:37:03 ahh 21:40:28 Hmm... I need to check this hash program - where's an example when you need one? 21:40:28 argh, now I need to create a wrapper that can take STDIN 21:42:32 I'll remind you of it if I notice it 21:43:41 BenSw is now known as AaronSw-UK 21:43:41 * AaronSw-UK is watching this hilarious show on channel 4 21:43:58 cool, looks like it's working, sbp 21:44:37 AaronSw-UK is now known as BenSw 21:45:16 Can you do some examples for me, please? 21:45:16 or find any examples? anywhere? 21:49:02 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m585-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 21:49:21 sbp (~sean@m585-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:50:14 SHA-1 doesn't seem to check out:- 21:50:15 [[[ 21:50:15 $ sha1 abc 21:50:15 SHA1(abc) = 03cfd743661f07975fa2f1220c5194cbaff48451 21:50:16 ]]] 21:50:17 vs. 21:50:26 [[[ 21:50:26 You may want to perform a sanity check on sha before relying on it: 21:50:26 > echo -n "abc" | ./sha -1 21:50:26 a9993e364706816aba3e25717850c26c9cd0d89d 21:50:26 The output should match that of above. 21:50:28 ]]] 21:52:06 and 21:52:07 [[[ 21:52:08 >>> sha.new('abc').hexdigest() 21:52:08 'a9993e364706816aba3e25717850c26c9cd0d89d' 21:52:09 ]]] 21:52:25 So Python agrees with the documentation for the other thingy 22:16:06 Hmm. 22:16:12 oops 22:16:14 BenSw is now known as AaronSw-UK 22:16:18 Hmm. 22:16:20 03cfd743661f07975fa2f1220c5194cbaff48451 22:16:24 a9993e364706816aba3e25717850c26c9cd0d89d 22:18:37 Where's this sha1 stuff from? 22:18:45 tansaku (sam@r22m196.cybercable.tm.fr) has joined #swhack 22:18:55 hey tansaku 22:18:57 .time jst 22:18:58 Jan. 1, 2002 7:20 am GMT+9 22:19:03 happy new year! 22:19:17 AaronSw-UK has changed the topic to: Happy new year! 22:19:50 my sha512 of 'abc' starts with 'ddaf35' 22:20:04 I'm using shax-py 22:20:09 .google shax-py 22:20:10 shax-py: http://philosophysw.com/software 22:20:53 sbp has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:25:27 @ http://www.wagamama.com/ 22:25:34 A: http://www.wagamama.com/ from AaronSw-UK 22:25:43 * tansaku wishes happy new year to all and sundry 22:25:53 hi Aaron, you in the UK? I'm in France 22:26:08 Yep. Oh? Nice. 22:26:20 A:|wagamama 22:26:21 titled item A 22:27:05 A::A very cool restaurant -- highly automated. Very Demming. 22:27:06 commented item A 22:27:33 wagamama --> selfish in Japanese 22:28:53 Yeah, that's what the menu said. 22:29:14 so you with your folks in the UK? 22:29:15 But they claimed selfish --> looking after oneself --> positive diet + positive energy 22:29:21 Yep, we're on vacation. 22:29:33 where in the UK? 22:29:38 London. 22:30:57 What're you in France for? 22:30:59 I just left there to come here to Chambery 22:54:51 ugh, i'm getting ad interstitials from salon 22:55:12 and pop-ups 23:06:53 sbp (~sean@m608-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 23:08:18 wb 23:08:56 ty 23:09:03 np 23:09:15 Is that really you? Do you have an SHA5** example that I can test against? 23:09:21 Ohh, I was planning on saying that while I was at your house today. 23:09:28 See the logs -- already answered. 23:10:58 Thank you 23:11:02 * sbp reviews logs 23:11:39 I was just going through my #plex logs, finding the point where SHA5** was decided for 'Plex 23:11:47 Ah. 23:13:28 Planning on saying what? 23:13:59 I can't get shax-py to install, for some reason 23:14:05 gcc bums out 23:15:05 Saying wb/ty/np. 23:15:17 You have gcc installed, right? 23:15:26 And you're doing this in cygwin. 23:15:27 Yeah, through CygWin 23:15:41 can you paste the error? 23:15:46 it's long 23:16:07 snippet:- 23:16:08 [[[ 23:16:08 sha256.h:40: parse error before `uint64_t' 23:16:08 sha256.h:40: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union 23:16:08 sha256.h:45: parse error before `uint8_t' 23:16:08 sha256.h:45: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union 23:16:10 sha256.h:46: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `buffer' 23:16:12 sha256.h:46: warning: data definition has no type or storage class 23:16:14 ]]] 23:16:37 ends with:- 23:16:38 [[[ 23:16:38 sha256c.c: In function `_wrap_new__SHA256Context': 23:16:38 sha256c.c:606: sizeof applied to an incomplete type 23:16:38 sha256c.c: At top level: 23:16:38 sha256c.c:148: warning: `SWIG_TypeQuery' defined but not used 23:16:40 sha256c.c:302: warning: `SWIG_addvarlink' defined but not used 23:16:42 error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 23:16:44 ]]] 23:17:00 then, in Python:- 23:17:01 [[[ 23:17:02 >>> import sha256 23:17:02 Traceback (most recent call last): 23:17:02 File "", line 1, in ? 23:17:02 File "sha256.py", line 28, in ? 23:17:03 import sha256c 23:17:05 ImportError: No module named sha256c 23:17:07 >>> 23:17:09 ]]] 23:21:40 Hmm... it must have been about the time xena folded, because it's not in http://irclogs.espnow.com/plex-logs/show_file.php?logfile=2001_12_03.log 23:21:51 And now oierw isn't here 23:22:25 those logs aren't done by xena 23:23:59 oh? 23:24:10 no - maya 23:25:26 Ah. But wasn't the problem that xena wasn't relaying the text over? 23:25:55 which text? 23:26:07 Ah, yes. 23:26:40 Anyway, it's irrelevent now 23:26:50 Not really. 23:27:23 http://plexdev.org/ is looking nice, but why no Tahoma for the main headings? 23:27:40 Well, xena's relaying beautifully now, AFAIK 23:27:59 tav said he didn't like it 23:28:08