IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-16

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00:00:04 [sbp]
ah, that makes sense. Does he tie you up?
00:00:12 [Morbus]
are you his bitch, xena?
00:00:19 [xena]
I don't think we want to go there.
00:00:30 [Morbus]
i thought you were a lesbian
00:01:42 [AaronSw]
Are you kidding?
00:01:49 [AaronSw]
This is tav we're talking about here.
00:01:56 [Morbus]
no, you know, xena, warrior princess. from that show.
00:02:05 [Morbus]
she had a "chemistry" with her little blonde sidekick.
00:02:07 [AaronSw]
Oh.
00:02:09 [Morbus]
cultural references, man, jeez!
00:02:22 [AaronSw]
i don't watch tv
00:02:34 [Morbus]
to be honest, i've never seen that show.
00:02:37 [Morbus]
i just read a lot.
00:02:44 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:02:46 [Morbus]
the only show i watched recently was farscape.
00:02:52 [Morbus]
then that started getitng all porno, so i stopped.
00:02:58 [Morbus]
now i only watch general hospital with any regularity.
00:03:05 [Morbus]
and that's only cos my gf tapes it.
00:03:15 [Morbus]
good show, strangely enough.
00:03:36 [sbp]
you read about television?
00:03:45 [Morbus]
no, i read about culture.
00:03:57 [Morbus]
i created amphetadesk. you think i don't have a zillion channels?
00:03:58 [Morbus]
:)
00:04:02 [sbp]
xena is cultured?
00:04:07 [sbp]
zillion: aha!
00:04:22 [Morbus]
my heaviest user that i know of is tara. she has 250+ channels.
00:04:23 [Morbus]
its insane.
00:04:37 [Morbus]
when i was testing scaling, i didn't even go that high ;)
00:05:08 [sbp]
does it work smoothly for him/her?
00:05:17 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Raverbashing' on Atari Teenage Riot's album 'Delete Yourself'.
00:05:17 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:05:20 [sbp]
er... her
00:05:27 [sbp]
* sbp smacks himself
00:05:38 [Morbus]
well, besides the obvious "not multithreaded", she says it holds up fine
00:06:06 [AaronSw]
Are you doing blocking sockets?!
00:07:04 [AaronSw]
Morbus
00:07:22 [Morbus]
lol.
00:07:36 [Morbus]
i'm using nonblocking sockets, but only one thread.
00:07:46 [Morbus]
so the gui listens, the webserver listens, the gui listens, etc.
00:08:13 [sbp]
yo, iff-man. The A-ster wants you
00:08:23 [Morbus]
the asster?
00:08:47 [AaronSw]
don't make me kick you...
00:08:49 [sbp]
lol
00:09:02 [Morbus]
oh god, not the countdown again <g>
00:09:22 [Morbus]
part of the problem is that i can't reliably write forking code that will be generically the same everywhere.
00:09:34 [sbp]
yeah, what was up with that?
00:09:42 [Morbus]
at the very least, early after 1.0, they'll be multi GET's.
00:09:44 [sbp]
the logs go nuts at that point
00:09:57 [Morbus]
then i'll be trying a multi gui/webserver, but not sure how that will work.
00:10:06 [Morbus]
when i first started coding the gui, i tried it and came up short.
00:11:20 [AaronSw]
sbp, I kicked morbus and logger didn't like it
00:11:54 [sbp]
why can't I select text from the Amph console?
00:12:16 [sbp]
A-ster: ah
00:12:19 [Morbus]
you should be able to if ampheta is at rest.
00:12:24 [Morbus]
it doesn't?
00:12:33 [Morbus]
hey, speaking of which, i have a gui question/behavior for ya.
00:12:41 [sbp]
nah, it's doing stuf
00:12:51 [sbp]
s/stuf/stuff/
00:12:51 [Morbus]
ah. see, thats the multithreaded crap.
00:13:01 [Morbus]
basically, its downloading an item, so thats using the one thread, so the gui doesn't listen.
00:13:14 [Morbus]
you have like a split second at the end of one download to gui event before the next download begins./
00:13:18 [Morbus]
thats what sucks.
00:13:30 [sbp]
yeah... you should multithread, IMO
00:13:33 [Morbus]
i just couldn't fork a new process without causing more problems than its worse.
00:13:36 [Morbus]
yeah, no shit. i want to.
00:13:41 [Morbus]
but ran into problems.
00:13:43 [sbp]
it'll make it seem a lot smoother
00:13:48 [Morbus]
i'll be trying it all over again after 1.0.
00:14:05 [sbp]
ah, bummer
00:14:24 [sbp]
O.K.
00:14:35 [sbp]
what does "funky" A have to say about this?
00:14:37 [Morbus]
anyways, this gui question.
00:14:44 [Morbus]
skanky A?
00:14:58 [sbp]
go on...
00:15:01 [Morbus]
in the next version, the minimize button in win32 will min to the systray, not the taskbar, as it does now.
00:15:17 [Morbus]
the question(s): would you have some interest in an option to minimize on start?
00:15:32 [Morbus]
finally, what do you think the X box on the gui window should do? quit the program or min to systray?
00:15:59 [sbp]
for the last question, always quit the program
00:16:08 [Morbus]
k. thats my feeling too.
00:16:11 [Morbus]
the other behaviour is "tricky".
00:16:17 [sbp]
it's annoying when it doesn't. If you want to close windows quickly, you just hit the crosses
00:16:26 [AaronSw]
you need tuplespaces, Morbus. :)
00:16:29 [sbp]
as for the minimize thing...
00:17:05 [sbp]
putting it in the tray is probably a good thing (TM), 'cause it frees up the task bar, which is always crowded, and make Amphey feel more like a service right from the very beginning
00:17:28 [Morbus]
tuplescapes?
00:17:44 [Morbus]
ok. would you support an option for both?
00:17:48 [sbp]
s/make/makes/
00:17:58 [Morbus]
ie, "click here to minimize at start" or "click here to x box to systray"?
00:18:13 [Morbus]
defaults being "no minimize on start" and "quit on x"/.
00:19:12 [AaronSw]
tuple spaces: they make threading very easy
00:19:30 [Morbus]
on every os?
00:19:35 [Morbus]
<g>
00:20:19 [sbp]
yeah, options are good
00:20:38 [sbp]
how do I move channels up in the results bar thingy?
00:20:40 [Morbus]
honestly, they'd probably be hidden away in a xml file.
00:20:49 [Morbus]
just like the strict_xml feature is.
00:20:54 [sbp]
or down...
00:21:06 [Morbus]
you can't. not yet.
00:21:13 [Morbus]
i was thinking of relative locations.
00:21:23 [Morbus]
so on the my channels page, you'd have five options for each channel
00:21:24 [sbp]
but I wanna!
00:21:34 [Morbus]
top, top-middle, middle, mid-bot, and bottom.
00:21:35 [Morbus]
thoughts?
00:21:43 [sbp]
I just want a little "^" or "v" button
00:21:53 [Morbus]
hmmm...
00:21:57 [sbp]
that too
00:21:59 [Morbus]
that's not a bad idea.
00:22:12 [Morbus]
that'd get weird though.
00:22:24 [sbp]
each time ya click it, just move the channel up a place. Can't be too difficult to program surely?
00:22:27 [Morbus]
cos i'd have to remmeber the position in the whole channel list, and then recalculate every time a new channel was added.
00:22:33 [sbp]
(or down a place)
00:22:50 [sbp]
how does it get the order at the moment?
00:22:59 [Morbus]
last modified file date.
00:23:07 [Morbus]
which is pretty pointless if you don't use it really often.
00:23:08 [sbp]
when you add a new channel, just add it to the top
00:23:24 [Morbus]
but even still.
00:23:32 [Morbus]
say you have channels 1 2 3 4 5.
00:23:37 [Morbus]
you add a new channel. it becomes 6.
00:23:47 [sbp]
but it's good having your favourite channels at the top, and the shitty ones at the bottom
00:23:47 [Morbus]
you tell 3 to go up and 5 to go down.
00:23:54 [sbp]
O.K.
00:23:55 [Morbus]
so you have 1 2 4 5 3 6
00:24:13 [Morbus]
then you go into my channels and you say that 6 should show up in the middle.
00:24:21 [Morbus]
yeah. ok.
00:24:23 [sbp]
uh huh
00:24:25 [Morbus]
ok. nevermind.
00:24:42 [Morbus]
i was thinking of it more of 'number in a list' as opposed to 'list of ids corresponding to channels'
00:24:46 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:24:53 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Starfuckers Inc (Version)' on Nine Inch Nails's album 'Things Falling Apart'.
00:24:53 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:25:22 [Morbus]
welp, there's one negative to all of that.
00:25:30 [Morbus]
say you have 200 channels, and you want to reorganize.
00:25:47 [Morbus]
every click of that ^v would cause the page to be reloaded.
00:25:58 [Morbus]
a 200 channel page is huuuge
00:27:46 [sbp]
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00:27:55 [Morbus]
dammit
00:32:28 [Morbus]
hey, sean, i'm going to play ps2 for a bit to clear out my head so i can bust out this article. i'll be back in an hour or so.
00:32:38 [Morbus]
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00:36:06 [sbp]
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00:36:40 [sbp]
as I was saying...
00:36:42 [sbp]
/me wonders where Aaron "Hit The Spam, Dinkster" Swartz got the CSS for http://blogspace.com/rdf/SwartzHendler from
00:36:45 [sbp]
rather...
00:36:56 [sbp]
* sbp wonders where Aaron "Hit The Spam, Dinkster" Swartz got the CSS for http://blogspace.com/rdf/SwartzHendler from
00:37:12 [AaronSw]
hmm
00:37:16 [AaronSw]
I wonder...
00:37:22 [AaronSw]
$Id: style.css,v 1.3 2001/04/24 23:07:34 spalmer Exp $
00:37:31 [sbp]
"i'll be back in an hour or so" O.K.
00:37:54 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:38:06 [sbp]
they really should have let me have sbpalmer
00:38:24 [AaronSw]
nah, spalmer sounds like a lip gloss
00:39:10 [sbp]
ooh, I could go into business
00:40:09 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:40:28 [sbp]
ah, just remembered something I wanted to ask for ages: Freenet over HTTP?
00:40:35 [sbp]
I know it's kinda against the principles of P2P...
00:40:40 [AaronSw]
It is?
00:40:43 [AaronSw]
It comes with every freenet
00:40:45 [AaronSw]
they
00:40:48 [sbp]
but so few people have Freenet installed, and what if you want to reference the pages?
00:40:56 [AaronSw]
they've got awesome anonymous Freenet weblogs
00:41:05 [sbp]
well, you want people to get the client
00:41:19 [AaronSw]
reference: tell them to get a client, or use a public gateway
00:41:27 [sbp]
what comes with every freenet?
00:41:46 [AaronSw]
Someone making fun of their AI professor:
00:41:46 [AaronSw]
"""
00:41:46 [AaronSw]
And now i will describe the turin test for the 60th time in the past 2 weeks
00:41:46 [AaronSw]
And now i will show you this stupid diagram of current research areas of AI for the 160th time in the past 2 weeks
00:41:46 [AaronSw]
And now i will stand around a chew my glasses for 10 minutes whilst u all wait for me to say something
00:41:48 [AaronSw]
"""
00:41:53 [AaronSw]
The web proxy comes w/ every freent
00:41:57 [AaronSw]
err freenet
00:42:01 [sbp]
no, I meant on the "Web", as in I can just go: http://example.org/CHK@opejg
00:42:01 [sbp]
or whatever
00:42:21 [AaronSw]
freenet:CHK@opejg isn't part of the Web?
00:42:24 [AaronSw]
.google fproxy
00:42:25 [xena]
fproxy: http://hawk.freenetproject.org/pipermail/clients/2001-April/000018.html
00:42:36 [AaronSw]
.google fproxy online
00:42:37 [xena]
fproxy online: http://hawk.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/2001-April/004699.html
00:42:48 [sbp]
ugh, ya dumbwad. I mean enabling access to Freenet without downloading any crud, through HTTP!
00:43:00 [AaronSw]
I know what you mean
00:43:03 [AaronSw]
just a sec
00:43:10 [sbp]
not part of the Web: that's why I quoted "Web"
00:44:06 [sbp]
I mean, really, you'd have to say "try the online proxy, or download a proper one", just to get rid of the guilt... I know it's not all that P2P-ish, but still...
00:44:39 [sbp]
I can't help but think that if you publish something on Freenet, then you may as well have published it in PDF
00:44:43 [AaronSw]
I dunno why.
00:45:07 [AaronSw]
It's like DanC eating his own dogfood.
00:45:19 [AaronSw]
PDF is a proprietary technology (for the most part)
00:45:22 [sbp]
because people are *very* conservative
00:45:23 [AaronSw]
Freenet is for the common good
00:45:30 [sbp]
eating wha?
00:45:39 [AaronSw]
dogfood
00:45:53 [sbp]
I meant that people avoid it, because of the hassle involved
00:46:20 [AaronSw]
yeah, so they can't get your content
00:46:23 [AaronSw]
it's an incentive thing
00:46:30 [AaronSw]
like rdf, in a way
00:46:35 [sbp]
of course, Freenet cannot stop some nice person offering the service online through HTTP as a persistent service
00:46:38 [AaronSw]
Want to get at the dmoz data? learn RDF
00:46:43 [AaronSw]
sbp, of course
00:47:19 [sbp]
I'm just asking if someone has already done it. I doubt it
00:47:29 [AaronSw]
Yes, tons of people -- just don't remember the addy now
00:47:41 [AaronSw]
well, maybe not tons -- but relatively, for the freenet world (i.e. 1)
00:47:42 [AaronSw]
gotta go -- dinner
00:48:06 [sbp]
c'ya
00:48:29 [AaronSw]
bye
00:51:30 [Morbus]
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00:54:47 [Morbus]
eh oh
00:55:01 [sbp]
hi
00:58:48 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'POWERPUFF-FM - Cartoon Bits-Anime Hits animehardcore.net (REC)' on 's album ''.
00:58:48 [Morbus]
!itunes
00:58:51 [Morbus]
heh.
00:59:13 [sbp]
Hmm...
01:01:32 [Morbus]
hmm?
01:03:49 [sbp]
yes, Hmm...
01:06:45 [sbp]
we should create an ASCII text game
01:06:57 [Morbus]
i have a vaporware game around here somwhere.
01:07:06 [Morbus]
it ran through email, i believe. i wanted to bring it back to life./
01:07:09 [Morbus]
lemme hunt it down for you
01:07:38 [Morbus]
An Apache Server Primer for Mac OS X
01:07:42 [Morbus]
oop. that's not it <g>
01:07:47 [Morbus]
http://www.gamerz.net/~fm/
01:08:21 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:08:25 [Morbus]
that was one of the dead, and here's the other one:
01:08:29 [Morbus]
http://www.pennmush.org/~alansz/pbemtools/
01:08:35 [sbp]
* sbp takes a peek
01:08:35 [Morbus]
i had desires of combining both of them.
01:08:38 [Morbus]
making them magical.
01:09:12 [sbp]
viz., tries to derference the resource in question by putting the URI into my browser, expecting it to open up an HTTP connection over TCP/IP, request a representation...
01:09:55 [sbp]
yes, that would kick ass on a phenomenal scale
01:10:07 [Morbus]
hey, if you want to devote time to it, i'm for it.
01:10:14 [Morbus]
i have some deisgn docs for this web based game i wanted to create.
01:10:20 [Morbus]
wanna read a short dossier on browser based games?
01:10:44 [sbp]
"a free software package by Alan Schwartz" - http://www.pennmush.org/~alansz/pbemtools/
01:10:54 [Morbus]
right
01:11:05 [Morbus]
here's my article: http://www.gamegrene.com/rants/965563605.shtml
01:11:46 [Morbus]
whoa. hahah.
01:11:51 [Morbus]
i should work on those commetns on that page
01:12:20 [sbp]
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01:15:05 [deltab]
"live with it out"?
01:15:15 [Morbus]
hmm?
01:15:53 [deltab]
3rd sentence
01:16:33 [Morbus]
heh
01:16:43 [Morbus]
man, thats been around for a year and a half now and no one has said anything
01:17:42 [Morbus]
fixed
01:17:56 [Morbus]
well, kinda.
01:19:01 [deltab]
what browsers don't have back buttons?
01:19:41 [Morbus]
i was being silly there, of a time before mosaic.
01:19:49 [deltab]
ah
01:26:51 [sbp]
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01:26:58 [Morbus]
wb sean.
01:27:02 [Morbus]
here's my article: http://www.gamegrene.com/rants/965563605.shtml
01:27:33 [sbp]
thanks
01:28:14 [sbp]
<sbp> Alan Schwartz???
01:28:14 [sbp]
heh!
01:28:14 [sbp]
[[[
01:28:14 [sbp]
> Yes, URIs *may* denote abstract resources. No, HTTP URLs may *not*.
01:28:14 [sbp]
Patrick, as an author of both of those specifications, I can
01:28:15 [sbp]
definitively state that what you are saying does not match what I intended
01:28:17 [sbp]
when I wrote the sections to which you have referred.
01:28:19 [sbp]
]]]
01:28:21 [sbp]
- Roy Fielding, on uri@w3.org, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2001Nov/0025
01:28:37 [Morbus]
heh
01:29:19 [sbp]
ooh: "Wow! Finally someone else who gets the clue!"
01:29:29 [sbp]
from comments on your article
01:29:42 [Morbus]
:)
01:29:55 [Morbus]
do you always read the comments first?
01:30:24 [sbp]
no, I read the article, and then the comments
01:30:29 [Morbus]
oh. fast reader.
01:30:35 [Morbus]
heh, from my apache article: "After much spouting, your boss has finally given you a chance to prove your fevered ravings. "
01:31:21 [Morbus]
so what'd you think?
01:32:14 [sbp]
quite cool. "Internet games rule. What kinds of Internet games are there? Who cares, the best are the browser based ones. Why did all the decent Internet games get underdeveloped. IF you have ideas, post them below!"
01:32:17 [sbp]
it was good
01:32:50 [Morbus]
when you say text based, you talking about a zork sorta thing? or email? or xml? or what?
01:33:19 [sbp]
actually, the initial idea that started this mess was Aaron's ASCII tennis
01:33:27 [Morbus]
?
01:33:33 [sbp]
I thought he'd come up with something really cool... but... er... he hadn't
01:33:47 [sbp]
logster, grep -i ASCII tennis
01:33:55 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'ASCII tennis'
01:33:56 [logster]
0) 2001-11-16 01:33:47 <sbp> logster, grep -i ASCII tennis
01:33:57 [logster]
1) 2001-11-16 01:33:19 <sbp> actually, the initial idea that started this mess was Aaron's ASCII tennis
01:33:58 [logster]
2) 2001-10-22 04:12:07 <sbp> IRC ASCII tennis?
01:33:59 [logster]
3) 2001-10-22 04:11:18 <AaronSw> I was thinking we could play IRC ASCII tennis.
01:34:05 [sbp]
I mean, you can play OXO and Chess over IRC too, surely
01:34:14 [Morbus]
dammit, sean, this is what i was talking about a while ago.
01:34:18 [Morbus]
about the old aol chatrooms.
01:34:21 [Morbus]
lemme get you something.
01:34:33 [sbp]
please do :-) A drink or something would be nice
01:34:37 [Morbus]
i gotta url for everything ;)
01:34:43 [Morbus]
i got diet coke with lemon
01:34:44 [deltab]
ASCII snail racing: \@........\@..........
01:34:49 [Morbus]
lol
01:34:52 [sbp]
heh!
01:34:54 [Morbus]
that rocks.
01:35:21 [Morbus]
http://sacredchao.net/software/funbot/
01:35:26 [Morbus]
thats dead too.
01:35:54 [sbp]
ah, neat
01:36:13 [Morbus]
yeah, i haven't actually used it yet.
01:36:19 [Morbus]
lemme see if i can get it started here.
01:36:26 [sbp]
ooh!
01:36:35 [Morbus]
ooh?
01:37:19 [sbp]
in fact, oooooh!!!
01:37:24 [Morbus]
heh. um.
01:37:32 [Morbus]
you know perl? wanna mod this? ;)
01:37:57 [sbp]
no I don't, and no, I don't
01:38:00 [sbp]
:-)
01:38:16 [Morbus]
heh
01:40:51 [Morbus]
bwahah. how the hell do you start this thing?
01:42:27 [Morbus]
so what would you want to do for a game?
01:42:41 [sbp]
tennis?
01:43:06 [sbp]
dunno
01:43:52 [sbp]
ooh, rallying up support now...
01:44:33 [sbp]
* sbp waits for the page to load to get a citation...
01:44:56 [sbp]
"not found", try again with correct URI this time...
01:45:08 [sbp]
wait, wait, wait...
01:45:21 [sbp]
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...
01:45:47 [sbp]
hum a bit, make a drink, write a novel
01:45:58 [sbp]
ah! click a link, wait a bit more
01:46:35 [Morbus]
odd.
01:46:41 [sbp]
[[[
01:46:41 [sbp]
It seems that Sean is right. HTTP URIs seem like they could mean
01:46:41 [sbp]
anything.
01:46:41 [sbp]
]]] - Russell O'Connor, on www-talk@w3.org, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/2001NovDec/0032
01:46:43 [Morbus]
this bot thing doesn't want to connect.
01:47:10 [sbp]
what error?
01:47:34 [sbp]
you do have Perl installed, don't you?
01:48:08 [Morbus]
yeah, kept not wanting to conenct to the server.
01:48:27 [sbp]
Sean is right, Roy is right, Mark is right, Dan is right, Aaron is right...
01:48:53 [sbp]
give it a lollipop
01:50:38 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'POWERPUFF-FM - Cartoon Bits-Anime Hits animehardcore.net (REC)' on 's album ''.
01:50:38 [Morbus]
!itunes
01:50:41 [Morbus]
they're playing do the bartman
01:51:03 [sbp]
's got another album out??? Wow!
01:51:14 [Morbus]
no, no, this is from long long long ago.
01:51:46 [sbp]
ah. And to think I was going to put it on my shopping list
01:51:55 [sbp]
making any headway with funbot?
01:52:03 [Morbus]
nah, i gave up <g>
01:52:16 [sbp]
:-)
01:52:29 [Morbus]
i would love to do irc games, personally.
01:52:49 [AaronSw]
hey
01:53:46 [sbp]
aaaaaaargh! It's Aaron "Give Me A Pint Of Google" Swartz!
01:53:51 [AaronSw]
heh
01:53:51 [deltab]
I've notcied that musicbrainz refuses to list 's music
01:53:58 [AaronSw]
's?
01:54:09 [deltab]
see above
01:54:13 [Morbus]
heh.
01:54:20 [Morbus]
its hosted by live365
01:54:25 [AaronSw]
Ah, I see.
01:54:36 [AaronSw]
I've always loved 's now that I think of it.
01:54:48 [Morbus]
its a very muted tone, don't you think?
01:54:57 [sbp]
:-)
01:55:05 [sbp]
we're in the 's generation
01:55:06 [AaronSw]
nah, he's jiving and stuff
01:57:05 [sbp]
Oh man, I just remembered something horiffic
01:57:14 [Morbus]
that you're a nazi?
01:57:17 [Morbus]
oh shit.
01:57:22 [Morbus]
uh, that came out wrong.
01:57:24 [Morbus]
wasn't thinking.
01:57:37 [sbp]
no...
01:57:51 [sbp]
It's going to be Valentine's Day soon! I hate Valentine's Day - I feel like Charlie Brown
01:58:00 [AaronSw]
Morbus, I think that's a record statement for you.
01:58:39 [sbp]
in what way?
01:58:46 [sbp]
at least he didn't capitalize it
01:58:47 [Morbus]
heh... its the first thing i thought of, then forgot to think about the audience.
01:59:20 [sbp]
it was a bit dumbassed no matter what the audience
01:59:33 [Morbus]
oh, and half my shit isn't dumbassed?
01:59:56 [sbp]
half your shit is cool
02:00:08 [Morbus]
and the other half is dumbassed.
02:00:14 [Morbus]
i like extremes, so that's good.
02:00:30 [Morbus]
you know what gives me perverse pleasure?
02:00:39 [Morbus]
using the same amount of letters in a sentence as the previous one.
02:00:43 [Morbus]
so that they line up in a monospaced font.
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02:03:14 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:03:20 [AaronSw]
You and McCusker
02:03:27 [Morbus]
huh?
02:05:40 [AaronSw]
he writes really short lines
02:05:50 [AaronSw]
so they all line up in monospaced fonts
02:05:55 [Morbus]
ah.
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textshui.
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02:09:39 [AaronSw]
nick:tav :believes {{?x a :Interesting} => {:Plex :willReplace ?x} } .
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02:09:46 [AaronSw]
Hey wes
02:09:50 [wmf]
howdy
02:09:54 [Morbus]
hey there wes...
02:09:55 [AaronSw]
what brings you here?
02:10:07 [wmf]
is "semantic web" really a trademark?
02:10:18 [AaronSw]
Don't think so -- why'd you think that?
02:10:31 [wmf]
http://www.ontoprise.de/com/start_products.htm
02:10:43 [AaronSw]
Oh, not this again...
02:10:53 [AaronSw]
The trademark is "Weaving the Semantic Web"
02:11:22 [AaronSw]
not semantic web itself.
02:11:30 [Morbus]
hey there's a new rss article on onlamp.com
02:11:34 [wmf]
then the page is wrong
02:11:42 [AaronSw]
Hmm
02:11:55 [AaronSw]
I will have to smack Stefan...
02:12:31 [sbp]
* sbp waves to Wes
02:12:42 [AaronSw]
Hmm, you're right Wes -- thanks for point this out.
02:13:09 [Morbus]
go, go, power rangers~!
02:13:36 [AaronSw]
Ugh, green lines are appearing on my LCD...
02:13:41 [wmf]
while I
02:13:43 [sbp]
Plex will replace all interesting things?
02:14:06 [sbp]
Morbus is kinda interesting, in a sick way. Will Plex replace him?
02:14:08 [wmf]
while I'm here, is there any consensus forming on RDF query languages?
02:14:22 [Morbus]
never! i shall fight plex with my home cooking!
02:14:28 [Morbus]
nothing beats my cookies and noodles!
02:14:29 [wmf]
has sbp been replaced by a Shaneybot?
02:14:45 [sbp]
oh dear, RDF Query...
02:15:04 [AaronSw]
Shaney?
02:15:11 [sbp]
wtf wmf?
02:15:27 [wmf]
.google Mark V Shaney
02:15:28 [xena]
Mark V Shaney: http://www.sincity.com/penn-n-teller/pcc/shaney.html
02:16:43 [Morbus]
what's a fondue disk?
02:16:44 [wmf]
sbp: maybe I just appeared in the middle of a conversation, but your comments about Plex and Morbus sound like a bot
02:16:45 [AaronSw]
lol
02:16:45 [Morbus]
dish, rather?
02:16:56 [AaronSw]
Wes, you missed <AaronSw> nick:tav :believes {{?x a :Interesting} => {:Plex :willReplace ?x} } .
02:17:06 [wmf]
ah
02:17:07 [Morbus]
sean and i have an affinity for making no sense rather quickly.
02:17:10 [sbp]
Swartz's n'th rule: if it takes a Google search to explain a joke, then it is definitely not funny
02:17:23 [AaronSw]
Ooh, that's a good one.
02:17:31 [AaronSw]
I'll have to make that one of my rules...
02:17:42 [wmf]
good thing I don't tell those kind of jokes
02:18:11 [AaronSw]
sbp, the only problem with that is it'd make all jokes not funny.
02:18:19 [sbp]
we are the sensing make, don't we?!
02:18:22 [Morbus]
.google chicken road
02:18:23 [xena]
chicken road: http://jokes4laughs.com/chicken.htm
02:18:28 [Morbus]
heh
02:18:39 [sbp]
not all jokes, surely?
02:18:48 [wmf]
.google walk into a bar
02:18:49 [xena]
walk into a bar: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/90q2/threest.html
02:18:49 [Morbus]
.google feet smell nose run
02:18:50 [xena]
feet smell nose run: http://www.learnenglish.org.uk/magazine/cartoon07b.html
02:19:04 [sbp]
maybe it would need some language qualification or something
02:19:33 [Morbus]
oh god, that feet smell one is illustrated.
02:19:43 [Morbus]
rather terribly, too
02:19:50 [sbp]
heh
02:20:12 [Morbus]
i've seen clipart use, but the mirror command just doesn't cut it
02:20:43 [sbp]
* sbp rereads his comments, and see what wmf means
02:20:55 [sbp]
wmf, how do you feel about this?
02:21:13 [wmf]
heh
02:21:35 [AaronSw]
shaney.py!
02:21:46 [wmf]
maybe you forget that I work for the company with the eLiza initiative
02:21:52 [AaronSw]
You do?
02:21:59 [AaronSw]
Should I bring in ircEliza?
02:22:13 [Morbus]
what about ircAzile?
02:22:16 [wmf]
if you want me to have Ash kick your ass
02:22:33 [sbp]
what do your friends say about working for the eLiza initiative?
02:22:39 [Morbus]
heh
02:22:44 [sbp]
Ash: bring it on!
02:22:53 [wmf]
who, just a second there
02:23:05 [wmf]
I am not in any way involved in eLiza
02:23:16 [ircEliza]
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02:23:18 [Morbus]
you clean toilets?
02:23:25 [AaronSw]
ircEliza, you clean toilets?
02:23:25 [ircEliza]
AaronSw, Why do you ask that?
02:23:42 [Morbus]
ircEliza, well, cos his hands are all smelly.
02:23:42 [ircEliza]
Morbus, How does that make you feel?
02:23:52 [Morbus]
ircEliza, kinda disturbed actually.
02:23:52 [ircEliza]
Morbus, Can you elaborate on that?
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02:24:01 [Morbus]
ircEliza, well, ever since i was three, i've had a shit fetish.
02:24:01 [ircEliza]
Morbus, How does that make you feel?
02:24:11 [Morbus]
ircEliza, like an outsider.
02:24:11 [ircEliza]
Morbus, Please tell me more.
02:24:20 [AaronSw]
ircEliza, quit
02:24:21 [ircEliza]
AaronSw, Good-bye.
02:24:21 [Morbus]
ircEliza, i guess it all started when my mom fed me liver.
02:24:21 [ircEliza]
Morbus, Why do you say that you guess it all started when your mom fed you liver.?
02:24:25 [AaronSw]
ircEliza, quit
02:24:25 [ircEliza]
AaronSw, Thank you for talking with me.
02:24:27 [AaronSw]
ircEliza, quit
02:24:27 [ircEliza]
AaronSw, Good-bye.
02:24:29 [AaronSw]
ircEliza, quit
02:24:29 [ircEliza]
AaronSw, Good-bye.
02:24:30 [AaronSw]
ircEliza, quit
02:24:30 [ircEliza]
AaronSw, Thank you, that will be $150. Have a good day!
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02:24:41 [Morbus]
well, jeez.
02:24:45 [Morbus]
that was rude. we were talking.
02:24:51 [AaronSw]
yeah, exactly
02:25:35 [AaronSw]
hmm, that didn
02:25:41 [AaronSw]
hmm, that didn't come out like it should have
02:26:00 [Morbus]
i think i scared wes off :(
02:26:07 [AaronSw]
yeah, me too
02:26:08 [Morbus]
or the bot did. or the inevitable downfall.
02:26:17 [AaronSw]
don't worry, i've got ircShaney coming up
02:26:25 [sbp]
* sbp reviews
02:26:27 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
02:26:39 [sbp]
I wanted to play with the deeley!
02:26:58 [AaronSw]
Weren't you here for botwars?
02:27:12 [sbp]
yeah
02:27:12 [AaronSw]
you can play w/ her in #liza
02:27:14 [AaronSw]
err #eliza
02:27:28 [sbp]
the shit fetish thing was just masterful, Morby
02:27:37 [Morbus]
well, aaron started it.
02:27:46 [Morbus]
he's the one who prompted her with the toilet thing
02:27:48 [AaronSw]
no, you did
02:27:57 [AaronSw]
i just took the last line of dialog
02:28:02 [Morbus]
right!
02:28:11 [Morbus]
you should know me better than that.
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02:35:53 [Morbus]
bah. i really wish i could be logged in as too different people in the os x gui.
02:36:04 [AaronSw]
why?
02:36:27 [Morbus]
so i can have all my morbus settings whilst getting the defaults of a new user for apache usage
02:36:43 [Morbus]
i've tweaked my apache config beyond recognition.
02:37:19 [AaronSw]
ah
02:37:31 [AaronSw]
Ooh, this is great...
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02:37:46 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, your thoughts?
02:37:54 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, your thoughts?
02:37:54 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, Bradee-oh! queries: "My brother and I were just commissioned to develop a large energy management system for a domain-specific configuration high-tech endeavor, language, used to configure kernel check out Managing subsystems and resolve dependencies Open Source Projects, between them.
02:38:09 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, hmm
02:38:09 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, The review kinda pans the device, but I still think generative music has a 65K color display is brimming with and comes with a camera interface reader-submitted and a final version will run on NT a year after that.
02:38:20 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, genius!
02:38:21 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, If you have a surgeon operating with a grain of salt, caveat emptor, look before you start.
02:38:25 [Morbus]
ircShaney, what is the meaning of this!
02:38:26 [ircShaney]
Morbus, ( Read More...
02:38:27 [AaronSw]
LOL!
02:38:40 [Morbus]
hehehe.
02:38:41 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw turns purple laughing
02:38:49 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, I think I see what you mean...
02:38:49 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, They don't take a stand on other issues we might be interested in, but it's still worth thinking about.
02:38:56 [AaronSw]
can you guess the source yet?
02:39:15 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, Is that what you really think?
02:39:16 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, The question is, what sorts of cross platform libraries will make this as painless as possible? I've never made it a point to code for 2 platforms at once in any language other that Java.
02:40:31 [Morbus]
nope
02:40:37 [AaronSw]
You can't guess?
02:40:40 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, we need a few more
02:40:40 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, They have been giving me the Preview (93) textbook run-around for the more ambitious; 11/13 software that stinks; and more -- [ Create a new account features just read on for the timothy 2.5 fork.'" Quick Links ( Read More...
02:41:00 [AaronSw]
Hmm, it's breaking down... slowly using up stuff
02:41:04 [AaronSw]
Get it yet?
02:41:06 [Morbus]
i have a thought, yes.
02:41:12 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, one more
02:41:13 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, (He Hates Daniel Rutter writes "Sony's DCR-IP7 Everything) Network Handycam IP is digital.
02:41:19 [Morbus]
but its so obviois, its probably wrong
02:41:24 [AaronSw]
go on...
02:41:58 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, one more
02:41:59 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, Scientists at the University of Tokyo have developed a sensor which can feel.
02:42:11 [Morbus]
pft. you think i know stuff.
02:42:13 [AaronSw]
Oh, this is funny.
02:42:13 [Morbus]
<g>
02:42:24 [AaronSw]
I'll give you a hint: /
02:42:26 [AaronSw]
ircShaney, one more
02:42:26 [ircShaney]
AaronSw, His Apache "results show that Linux is better at handling I/O cache than FreeBSD, and that FreeBSD is more efficient at building up and tearing down processes."" As usual, please take benchmarks with a camera interface reader-submitted and a final version will run on NT a year after that.
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02:44:27 [Morbus]
i'm gonna go play games.
02:46:00 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Don't Call Me White' on NOFX's album 'Punk in Drublic'.
02:46:00 [Morbus]
!itunes
02:46:11 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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[[[
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03:33:45 [sbp]
]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16.txt
03:33:55 [sbp]
so is one of us going to say something?
03:33:56 [sbp]
oh, I just did
03:35:03 [GabeW]
I refuse to say anything - its my Constitutional right
03:35:18 [sbp]
:-)
03:35:50 [sbp]
Gotta run
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[GlobalNotice] Okeydokey :) We'll be disconnecting services in about 60 seconds. We're moving them to a beefier server with a better connection. Isn't it nice we can do that now? :) Anyways, them to be back in a few minutes.
04:43:21 [AaronSw]
Raffi is singing Octopus' Garden. Weird.
04:43:50 [GabeW]
huh>
04:44:07 [AaronSw]
Huh to what?
04:44:31 [GabeW]
huh to your comment about Raffi
04:53:27 [AaronSw]
to what part?
04:54:02 [GabeW]
it was just a little out of left field - that's all
04:54:16 [AaronSw]
that's what swhack is for, isn't it?
04:54:41 [GabeW]
yeah, you are right
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13:26:31 [AaronSw]
@ http://independentsday.org/essays/id-18_essay.php
13:26:38 [chumpster]
A: The Future Independent Web: Visions Of What's To Come! from AaronSw
13:26:39 [AaronSw]
Howdy, PONG/oierw
13:26:53 [AaronSw]
A:|Tom and Bequi: The web journal that brought down the wall
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titled item A
13:26:59 [AaronSw]
A::By Mark Bernstein
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commented item A
13:27:19 [AaronSw]
A::By [Mark Bernstein|http://www.markbernstein.org/]
13:27:20 [chumpster]
commented item A
13:31:59 [AaronSw]
A::Mark [writes|http://markBernstein.org/November01.html#note_808]: "What they wanted, I think, was a manifesto or an oracle; I gave them a fable."
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commented item A
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woot, woot, and all.
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PONG? who's PONG? i know no stinkin' PONG.
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AaronSw, you around?
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're aware that our routing has problems. We're awaiting a patch we hope will arrive in the next 8 hours to resolve the link counting problem. Thanks in advance for your patience. *Sighrin*
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saberhagen.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Email and IRC-free is the way to be!
18:24:33 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Things seem to be a bit more stable, but let us know if you are having any unusual problems accessing the servers at this point. Thanks.
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* AaronSw reconnects
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lo lo lo
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18:54:14 [Morbus]
la la la
18:56:54 [AaronSw]
10.1.1 really screwed up networking, i think
18:57:05 [Morbus]
i don't network. what happened?
18:57:17 [AaronSw]
When I change locations it lost all my settings!
18:57:25 [Morbus]
oof.
18:58:27 [AaronSw]
A::"""The Indie kids are wearing black armbands."Do you guys always wear those black things?" Tom asks Bequi, hoping he isn't asking something foolish.
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commented item A
18:58:59 [AaronSw]
A::"Do you guys always wear those black things?" Tom asks Bequi, hoping he isn't asking something foolish. "Just on days of mourning." "Someone died?" "Of course not. It's November 2, the anniversary of the Great Betrayal. The day the old U.S. sold out to Microsoft."
18:59:01 [chumpster]
commented item A
18:59:13 [AaronSw]
A::Bequie remembers her manners. "But I think it's all old-fashioned. We should be friends! I'm NOT observant. Just 50 years ago, my great uncle actually did contract work for Microsoft itself!"
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commented item A
18:59:15 [AaronSw]
A::Another awkward silence. Tom's ears redden."""
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commented item A
19:02:10 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a note. Please help us test the new channel forwarding features. To do so, join #forwardfrom. You should be sent to #forwardto. If your client crashes, if you don't get the proper window presence or focus, or can't type into the channel, let us know. support@openprojects.net. Thanks.
19:03:55 [Morbus]
heh.
19:15:24 [AaronSw]
A::I [respond|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Nov/0043.html] saying that indieTech should "blow the Alliance's stuff out of the water" and that "all the schools were closed in 2023 when attendence rates fell below 20% due to the incredible popularity of unschooling".
19:15:26 [chumpster]
commented item A
19:17:53 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Because sleeping on floors is better with company
19:19:25 [Morbus]
Topic::Especially when the ceilings are see-thru.
19:24:07 [AaronSw]
ahem
19:24:44 [Morbus]
hMmm?
19:24:48 [Morbus]
i was thinking of se..
19:24:51 [Morbus]
oh right, i remember.
19:25:02 [Morbus]
i was thinking of the dentist, and those little "how are we doing?" cards.
19:25:08 [Morbus]
or a suggestion box.
19:25:19 [Morbus]
and i thought it'd be humrous to add a suggestion of see thru ceilings.
19:25:22 [Morbus]
at a dentist.
19:25:24 [Morbus]
you know.
19:26:34 [AaronSw]
"Anyway, London is overrun with pasty people with horrible dental issues and an overwhelming desire for tea. Why you'd go there instead of, say, Iceland is beyond me." - http://glassdog.com/
19:26:50 [AaronSw]
I'm sure it'd be very funny...
19:26:53 [Morbus]
is he running glassdog.net still?
19:27:00 [Morbus]
i remmeber making an ad banner for that.
19:27:02 [AaronSw]
"Some ceilings. Mostly ceilings. Lots of ceilŠ." - ibid.
19:27:04 [Morbus]
lemme see if i can find it. its vintage.
19:27:10 [AaronSw]
a vintage banner
19:27:19 [AaronSw]
Aren't all banners vintage, these days? textads are in
19:27:19 [Morbus]
vintage morbus: http://www.disobey.com/images/ad-glassdog.gif
19:27:25 [Morbus]
1988.
19:27:27 [Morbus]
1998, rather
19:27:51 [AaronSw]
What does that have to do with glassdog?
19:28:05 [Morbus]
he used to run a .net sort of collection of sites.
19:28:11 [AaronSw]
Oh, right, I remember that.
19:28:14 [Morbus]
and the sites in the colletion could add an ad thing.
19:28:24 [AaronSw]
Hey, weird, I just got that banner on his page!
19:28:42 [AaronSw]
That's such a strange coincidence.
19:30:08 [Morbus]
what do you think? <g>
19:30:12 [Morbus]
what?
19:30:26 [Morbus]
hehehehe. .net is still up?
19:30:53 [Morbus]
no, its not.
19:31:00 [Morbus]
where'd you see it?
19:31:17 [Morbus]
oh. way at the bottom of .com?
19:32:10 [Morbus]
you know how innane it is of me to ask "what?" in a chatroom? man. <g>
19:42:48 [AaronSw]
heh
19:42:49 [AaronSw]
yeah
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20:02:21 [sbp]
heh, it's already the topic
20:02:59 [sbp]
'tis a good quote
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20:34:14 [AaronSw]
Dan Brickley: "I spent enough time in a Philosophy department to not wish a Philosophy WG on anyone. WebOnt WG is the wrong place to do philosophy (except as b/g reading)."
20:45:49 [AaronSw]
Tim Berners-Lee: "USers will always of course err, being people."
20:46:02 [AaronSw]
(but RDF won't)
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20:59:48 [forward.openprojects.net]
topic is: Because sleeping on floors is better with company
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Users on #swhack: logster rillian Morbus deltab @AaronSw BenSw|asleep PONG tav` tav xena chumpster
20:59:50 [AaronSw]
I did that.
20:59:53 [Morbus]
ah.
20:59:55 [AaronSw]
logster, pointer
20:59:55 [AaronSw]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16#T20-59-55
21:00:01 [AaronSw]
Cool new feature.
21:00:08 [Morbus]
your hack or distributed?
21:00:17 [AaronSw]
no, got it from the author
21:00:21 [Morbus]
ooh, this is nice. does it work on a grep?
21:00:32 [AaronSw]
does what?
21:00:44 [AaronSw]
Oh, and it's fixed this bug:
21:00:48 [Morbus]
like if i grep for something, could it give me pointers to the archives for each search result?
21:00:49 [AaronSw]
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21:00:58 [AaronSw]
see, logger doesn't die anymore :)
21:01:03 [Morbus]
remind me to set up autojoin on this comp <g>
21:01:07 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that's an interesting feature...
21:01:14 [AaronSw]
logster, pointer?
21:01:14 [AaronSw]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16#T21-01-14
21:01:15 [Morbus]
the grep pointer?
21:01:26 [AaronSw]
logster, blogspace.*#?
21:01:52 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'blogspace.*#'
21:01:53 [logster]
0) 2001-11-16 21:01:26 <AaronSw> logster, blogspace.*#?
21:01:54 [logster]
1) 2001-11-16 21:01:14 <AaronSw> See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16#T21-01-14
21:01:55 [logster]
2) 2001-11-16 20:59:55 <AaronSw> See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16#T20-59-55
21:01:56 [logster]
3) 2001-11-01 06:19:40 <SeanP> [1]#swhack Weblog [1] http://blogspace.com/swhack/ Happy Hallowe'en! | It's Music Day on #swhack! Last update: 2001-11-01 06:03 Test Day posted by AaronSw at 2001-11-01 06:02 AaronSw: For those reading this far into the future, this was our test day, so we have mostly silly stuff. Color scheme posted by AaronSw at 2001-11-01 05:51 AaronSw: I just put together a little color scheme for the site,
21:01:56 [AaronSw]
yeah
21:02:11 [AaronSw]
Hm, guess not.
21:02:34 [Morbus]
would you consider the actual grep line being found a minor bug?
21:02:48 [Morbus]
logster, grep. logster, grep.
21:02:48 [Morbus]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'grep. logster, grep.', Morbus. Try /msg logster help
21:03:00 [Morbus]
logster, grep logster, grep
21:03:24 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 75 answers for 'logster, grep' (showing 0...4)
21:03:25 [logster]
0) 2001-11-16 21:03:00 <Morbus> logster, grep logster, grep
21:03:26 [logster]
1) 2001-11-16 21:02:48 <Morbus> I'm logging. I don't understand 'grep. logster, grep.', Morbus. Try /msg logster help
21:03:27 [logster]
2) 2001-11-16 21:02:48 <Morbus> logster, grep. logster, grep.
21:03:28 [logster]
3) 2001-11-16 01:33:47 <sbp> logster, grep -i ASCII tennis
21:03:29 [logster]
4) 2001-11-15 23:20:46 <sbp> logster, grep Blues
21:03:31 [AaronSw]
no, it's always been that way.
21:03:42 [AaronSw]
See, this is useful -- we can see what people are searching for.
21:03:50 [Morbus]
yeah, that is interesting.
21:05:27 [AaronSw]
logster, where am i?
21:05:27 [AaronSw]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16#T21-05-27
21:05:39 [AaronSw]
logster, botsnack
21:05:39 [AaronSw]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'botsnack', AaronSw. Try /msg logster help
21:05:47 [Morbus]
rot row.
21:07:17 [AaronSw]
AaronSw is now known as DanC_
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DanC_ is now known as AaronSw
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AaronSw is now known as danbri
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danbri is now known as AaronSw
21:14:12 [Morbus]
identity crisis?
21:14:21 [AaronSw]
Heh, just fun with xena.
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hi
21:16:01 [Morbus]
heyy
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21:22:13 [elmaestro]
what's going on?
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get sbp
21:29:31 [Morbus]
gotcha!
21:29:36 [Morbus]
hahahah.
21:29:51 [AaronSw]
got me?
21:29:59 [AaronSw]
err hey sbp
21:30:19 [AaronSw]
off-by-a-lot-error
21:30:49 [sbp]
do you guys need sedating or something?
21:30:58 [Morbus]
wheeeeeeeee!
21:31:10 [Morbus]
* Morbus runs into a wall.
21:31:12 [Morbus]
wheeeeeee!
21:31:22 [AaronSw]
logster, where is morbus?
21:31:32 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'where is morbus'
21:31:33 [logster]
0) 2001-11-16 21:31:22 <AaronSw> logster, where is morbus?
21:31:34 [AaronSw]
logster, where am i?
21:31:34 [AaronSw]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-16#T21-31-34
21:38:18 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Mark responded!
21:38:28 [AaronSw]
He responded twice.
21:38:55 [sbp]
not on www-archive
21:39:01 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
21:39:34 [sbp]
is that a yeah == yes, or yeah == no?
21:42:34 [AaronSw]
Yeah as in he didn't cc www-archive
21:48:08 [sbp]
oh, yeah as in "yeah", then :-)
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22:15:39 [Morbus]
AaronSw, what are your concerns with sf? and its hosting?
22:15:59 [AaronSw]
Umm, that the chances of them going bankrupt soon is high.
22:16:24 [Morbus]
ok. so its the financial thing, as opposed to the "we are evil copyright holders" that the latest advogato portrays.
22:19:31 [AaronSw]
yeah
22:19:51 [AaronSw]
I think that's just a symptom of the problem.
22:19:52 [Morbus]
k.
22:20:01 [Morbus]
the only thing i realy use from them is the cvs, anyways.
22:24:08 [AaronSw]
ah
22:27:33 [Morbus]
if they do go down, i'll just need to find a new cvs host. sigh. i used to use openave for some of my non-osi stuff (whcih is dead).
22:28:33 [Morbus]
man, the perl.com rss article shows how to use rss 0.9
22:29:46 [AaronSw]
Do you archive CVSROOT tars?
22:29:53 [Morbus]
nope.
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22:30:31 [AaronSw]
Met Jonathan Eisenzopf at P2PCon, BTW. Seems like a nice guy.
22:30:45 [Morbus]
heard the name, can't place it. who is he again?
22:31:04 [sbp]
@ http://news.linuxprogramming.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-11-16-002-06-PP
22:31:17 [chumpster]
B: Welcome to LinuxProgramming.com! from sbp
22:32:01 [AaronSw]
He did a lot of the perl.com/webreference/+ RSS articles
22:32:06 [sbp]
B:|Meet the DotGNU Crew in 2002 at LinuxWorld NYC
22:32:07 [AaronSw]
wrote XML::RSS too, I think
22:32:08 [chumpster]
titled item B
22:32:17 [Morbus]
ok. yeah, that's where i know him from.
22:32:28 [Morbus]
what's happening with ::rss anyways? hasn't been updated in ages.
22:32:57 [AaronSw]
yeah, no one to work on it
22:33:13 [Morbus]
i thought rael was gonna do some crap with it?
22:33:27 [Morbus]
if i knew it was unmaintained, i would have volunteered.
22:35:44 [AaronSw]
Yeah, Rael kluged it into supporting 1.0, but it needs a rewrite
22:35:51 [Morbus]
ah.
22:36:09 [Morbus]
i was gonna rewrite my rss parser after 1.0... maybe i'll just do an xml::rss rewrite and see what happens.
22:36:52 [AaronSw]
gotta run -- see you tomorrow nite
22:36:57 [Morbus]
ciao
22:37:02 [sbp]
c'ya. Have a nice Shabat
22:37:11 [Morbus]
oh right. i knew that was happening.
22:37:21 [Morbus]
i saw it on my calendar, and was like "i should say hello to aaron about that".
22:37:45 [sbp]
well, it's every week
22:37:46 [AaronSw]
yeah, that'd be great of you
22:38:15 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if he should attempt to learn "Courting Blues"
22:39:05 [sbp]
Hmm... D to F-ish
22:41:14 [sbp]
cool; it'
22:41:22 [sbp]
it's easier than I thought
22:43:14 [sbp]
DMaj G7 DMaj G7 DMaj FMaj CMaj
22:43:21 [sbp]
well... it's like a G7
22:43:31 [Morbus]
hey kick ass.
22:43:36 [Morbus]
this person: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/usability/library/us-paper/
22:43:44 [Morbus]
has a screenshot of a weather report from derry, nh.
22:43:48 [Morbus]
that's a few towns over from me.
22:45:05 [sbp]
Cool, I think it's crashed
22:45:13 [sbp]
ah, yes, but it's still letting me type
22:45:17 [sbp]
now that's weird
22:45:54 [sbp]
unbelievable! but mIRC is always the last program to go
22:46:27 [sbp]
It's bizarre, te scrren's gone a funny color, nothing is responding, and it won't even let me do the normal break routines...
22:46:35 [sbp]
but mIRC is still going! aaaaargh!
22:46:59 [sbp]
I don't even know what I'm bloody typing until I've pressed enter
22:47:24 [Morbus]
can you see this?
22:47:34 [Morbus]
type yes if you can.
22:47:35 [Morbus]
no if you cant.
22:47:37 [Morbus]
<g>
22:47:47 [sbp]
heh, heh
22:47:55 [sbp]
yes, I can see the channel window
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and that's it
22:48:09 [Morbus]
i'm outta here in ten minutes.
22:48:39 [sbp]
O.K.
22:48:50 [sbp]
well, I'd better reset this thing
22:48:53 [sbp]
c'ya
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heh, heh:-
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[[[
23:33:17 [sbp]
Carolyn Snyder spent the first 10 years of her career as a developer of unusable software. Upon discovering users, she became a usability consultant, spending six years at user interface engineering before starting Snyder Consulting in 1999.
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]]] - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/usability/library/us-paper/
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Gotta run
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