00:00:04 ah, that makes sense. Does he tie you up? 00:00:12 are you his bitch, xena? 00:00:19 I don't think we want to go there. 00:00:30 i thought you were a lesbian 00:01:42 Are you kidding? 00:01:49 This is tav we're talking about here. 00:01:56 no, you know, xena, warrior princess. from that show. 00:02:05 she had a "chemistry" with her little blonde sidekick. 00:02:07 Oh. 00:02:09 cultural references, man, jeez! 00:02:22 i don't watch tv 00:02:34 to be honest, i've never seen that show. 00:02:37 i just read a lot. 00:02:44 Heh. 00:02:46 the only show i watched recently was farscape. 00:02:52 then that started getitng all porno, so i stopped. 00:02:58 now i only watch general hospital with any regularity. 00:03:05 and that's only cos my gf tapes it. 00:03:15 good show, strangely enough. 00:03:36 you read about television? 00:03:45 no, i read about culture. 00:03:57 i created amphetadesk. you think i don't have a zillion channels? 00:03:58 :) 00:04:02 xena is cultured? 00:04:07 zillion: aha! 00:04:22 my heaviest user that i know of is tara. she has 250+ channels. 00:04:23 its insane. 00:04:37 when i was testing scaling, i didn't even go that high ;) 00:05:08 does it work smoothly for him/her? 00:05:17 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Raverbashing' on Atari Teenage Riot's album 'Delete Yourself'. 00:05:17 !itunes 00:05:20 er... her 00:05:27 * sbp smacks himself 00:05:38 well, besides the obvious "not multithreaded", she says it holds up fine 00:06:06 Are you doing blocking sockets?! 00:07:04 Morbus 00:07:22 lol. 00:07:36 i'm using nonblocking sockets, but only one thread. 00:07:46 so the gui listens, the webserver listens, the gui listens, etc. 00:08:13 yo, iff-man. The A-ster wants you 00:08:23 the asster? 00:08:47 don't make me kick you... 00:08:49 lol 00:09:02 oh god, not the countdown again 00:09:22 part of the problem is that i can't reliably write forking code that will be generically the same everywhere. 00:09:34 yeah, what was up with that? 00:09:42 at the very least, early after 1.0, they'll be multi GET's. 00:09:44 the logs go nuts at that point 00:09:57 then i'll be trying a multi gui/webserver, but not sure how that will work. 00:10:06 when i first started coding the gui, i tried it and came up short. 00:11:20 sbp, I kicked morbus and logger didn't like it 00:11:54 why can't I select text from the Amph console? 00:12:16 A-ster: ah 00:12:19 you should be able to if ampheta is at rest. 00:12:24 it doesn't? 00:12:33 hey, speaking of which, i have a gui question/behavior for ya. 00:12:41 nah, it's doing stuf 00:12:51 s/stuf/stuff/ 00:12:51 ah. see, thats the multithreaded crap. 00:13:01 basically, its downloading an item, so thats using the one thread, so the gui doesn't listen. 00:13:14 you have like a split second at the end of one download to gui event before the next download begins./ 00:13:18 thats what sucks. 00:13:30 yeah... you should multithread, IMO 00:13:33 i just couldn't fork a new process without causing more problems than its worse. 00:13:36 yeah, no shit. i want to. 00:13:41 but ran into problems. 00:13:43 it'll make it seem a lot smoother 00:13:48 i'll be trying it all over again after 1.0. 00:14:05 ah, bummer 00:14:24 O.K. 00:14:35 what does "funky" A have to say about this? 00:14:37 anyways, this gui question. 00:14:44 skanky A? 00:14:58 go on... 00:15:01 in the next version, the minimize button in win32 will min to the systray, not the taskbar, as it does now. 00:15:17 the question(s): would you have some interest in an option to minimize on start? 00:15:32 finally, what do you think the X box on the gui window should do? quit the program or min to systray? 00:15:59 for the last question, always quit the program 00:16:08 k. thats my feeling too. 00:16:11 the other behaviour is "tricky". 00:16:17 it's annoying when it doesn't. If you want to close windows quickly, you just hit the crosses 00:16:26 you need tuplespaces, Morbus. :) 00:16:29 as for the minimize thing... 00:17:05 putting it in the tray is probably a good thing (TM), 'cause it frees up the task bar, which is always crowded, and make Amphey feel more like a service right from the very beginning 00:17:28 tuplescapes? 00:17:44 ok. would you support an option for both? 00:17:48 s/make/makes/ 00:17:58 ie, "click here to minimize at start" or "click here to x box to systray"? 00:18:13 defaults being "no minimize on start" and "quit on x"/. 00:19:12 tuple spaces: they make threading very easy 00:19:30 on every os? 00:19:35 00:20:19 yeah, options are good 00:20:38 how do I move channels up in the results bar thingy? 00:20:40 honestly, they'd probably be hidden away in a xml file. 00:20:49 just like the strict_xml feature is. 00:20:54 or down... 00:21:06 you can't. not yet. 00:21:13 i was thinking of relative locations. 00:21:23 so on the my channels page, you'd have five options for each channel 00:21:24 but I wanna! 00:21:34 top, top-middle, middle, mid-bot, and bottom. 00:21:35 thoughts? 00:21:43 I just want a little "^" or "v" button 00:21:53 hmmm... 00:21:57 that too 00:21:59 that's not a bad idea. 00:22:12 that'd get weird though. 00:22:24 each time ya click it, just move the channel up a place. Can't be too difficult to program surely? 00:22:27 cos i'd have to remmeber the position in the whole channel list, and then recalculate every time a new channel was added. 00:22:33 (or down a place) 00:22:50 how does it get the order at the moment? 00:22:59 last modified file date. 00:23:07 which is pretty pointless if you don't use it really often. 00:23:08 when you add a new channel, just add it to the top 00:23:24 but even still. 00:23:32 say you have channels 1 2 3 4 5. 00:23:37 you add a new channel. it becomes 6. 00:23:47 but it's good having your favourite channels at the top, and the shitty ones at the bottom 00:23:47 you tell 3 to go up and 5 to go down. 00:23:54 O.K. 00:23:55 so you have 1 2 4 5 3 6 00:24:13 then you go into my channels and you say that 6 should show up in the middle. 00:24:21 yeah. ok. 00:24:23 uh huh 00:24:25 ok. nevermind. 00:24:42 i was thinking of it more of 'number in a list' as opposed to 'list of ids corresponding to channels' 00:24:46 heh, heh 00:24:53 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Starfuckers Inc (Version)' on Nine Inch Nails's album 'Things Falling Apart'. 00:24:53 !itunes 00:25:22 welp, there's one negative to all of that. 00:25:30 say you have 200 channels, and you want to reorganize. 00:25:47 every click of that ^v would cause the page to be reloaded. 00:25:58 a 200 channel page is huuuge 00:27:46 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:27:55 dammit 00:32:28 hey, sean, i'm going to play ps2 for a bit to clear out my head so i can bust out this article. i'll be back in an hour or so. 00:32:38 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:36:06 sbp (~sean@AC9FDB92.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 00:36:40 as I was saying... 00:36:42 /me wonders where Aaron "Hit The Spam, Dinkster" Swartz got the CSS for http://blogspace.com/rdf/SwartzHendler from 00:36:45 rather... 00:36:56 * sbp wonders where Aaron "Hit The Spam, Dinkster" Swartz got the CSS for http://blogspace.com/rdf/SwartzHendler from 00:37:12 hmm 00:37:16 I wonder... 00:37:22 $Id: style.css,v 1.3 2001/04/24 23:07:34 spalmer Exp $ 00:37:31 "i'll be back in an hour or so" O.K. 00:37:54 heh, heh 00:38:06 they really should have let me have sbpalmer 00:38:24 nah, spalmer sounds like a lip gloss 00:39:10 ooh, I could go into business 00:40:09 :-) 00:40:28 ah, just remembered something I wanted to ask for ages: Freenet over HTTP? 00:40:35 I know it's kinda against the principles of P2P... 00:40:40 It is? 00:40:43 It comes with every freenet 00:40:45 they 00:40:48 but so few people have Freenet installed, and what if you want to reference the pages? 00:40:56 they've got awesome anonymous Freenet weblogs 00:41:05 well, you want people to get the client 00:41:19 reference: tell them to get a client, or use a public gateway 00:41:27 what comes with every freenet? 00:41:46 Someone making fun of their AI professor: 00:41:46 """ 00:41:46 And now i will describe the turin test for the 60th time in the past 2 weeks 00:41:46 And now i will show you this stupid diagram of current research areas of AI for the 160th time in the past 2 weeks 00:41:46 And now i will stand around a chew my glasses for 10 minutes whilst u all wait for me to say something 00:41:48 """ 00:41:53 The web proxy comes w/ every freent 00:41:57 err freenet 00:42:01 no, I meant on the "Web", as in I can just go: http://example.org/CHK@opejg 00:42:01 or whatever 00:42:21 freenet:CHK@opejg isn't part of the Web? 00:42:24 .google fproxy 00:42:25 fproxy: http://hawk.freenetproject.org/pipermail/clients/2001-April/000018.html 00:42:36 .google fproxy online 00:42:37 fproxy online: http://hawk.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/2001-April/004699.html 00:42:48 ugh, ya dumbwad. I mean enabling access to Freenet without downloading any crud, through HTTP! 00:43:00 I know what you mean 00:43:03 just a sec 00:43:10 not part of the Web: that's why I quoted "Web" 00:44:06 I mean, really, you'd have to say "try the online proxy, or download a proper one", just to get rid of the guilt... I know it's not all that P2P-ish, but still... 00:44:39 I can't help but think that if you publish something on Freenet, then you may as well have published it in PDF 00:44:43 I dunno why. 00:45:07 It's like DanC eating his own dogfood. 00:45:19 PDF is a proprietary technology (for the most part) 00:45:22 because people are *very* conservative 00:45:23 Freenet is for the common good 00:45:30 eating wha? 00:45:39 dogfood 00:45:53 I meant that people avoid it, because of the hassle involved 00:46:20 yeah, so they can't get your content 00:46:23 it's an incentive thing 00:46:30 like rdf, in a way 00:46:35 of course, Freenet cannot stop some nice person offering the service online through HTTP as a persistent service 00:46:38 Want to get at the dmoz data? learn RDF 00:46:43 sbp, of course 00:47:19 I'm just asking if someone has already done it. I doubt it 00:47:29 Yes, tons of people -- just don't remember the addy now 00:47:41 well, maybe not tons -- but relatively, for the freenet world (i.e. 1) 00:47:42 gotta go -- dinner 00:48:06 c'ya 00:48:29 bye 00:51:30 Morbus (~Morbus@s112.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:54:47 eh oh 00:55:01 hi 00:58:48 * Morbus is currently listening to 'POWERPUFF-FM - Cartoon Bits-Anime Hits animehardcore.net (REC)' on 's album ''. 00:58:48 !itunes 00:58:51 heh. 00:59:13 Hmm... 01:01:32 hmm? 01:03:49 yes, Hmm... 01:06:45 we should create an ASCII text game 01:06:57 i have a vaporware game around here somwhere. 01:07:06 it ran through email, i believe. i wanted to bring it back to life./ 01:07:09 lemme hunt it down for you 01:07:38 An Apache Server Primer for Mac OS X 01:07:42 oop. that's not it 01:07:47 http://www.gamerz.net/~fm/ 01:08:21 heh, heh 01:08:25 that was one of the dead, and here's the other one: 01:08:29 http://www.pennmush.org/~alansz/pbemtools/ 01:08:35 * sbp takes a peek 01:08:35 i had desires of combining both of them. 01:08:38 making them magical. 01:09:12 viz., tries to derference the resource in question by putting the URI into my browser, expecting it to open up an HTTP connection over TCP/IP, request a representation... 01:09:55 yes, that would kick ass on a phenomenal scale 01:10:07 hey, if you want to devote time to it, i'm for it. 01:10:14 i have some deisgn docs for this web based game i wanted to create. 01:10:20 wanna read a short dossier on browser based games? 01:10:44 "a free software package by Alan Schwartz" - http://www.pennmush.org/~alansz/pbemtools/ 01:10:54 right 01:11:05 here's my article: http://www.gamegrene.com/rants/965563605.shtml 01:11:46 whoa. hahah. 01:11:51 i should work on those commetns on that page 01:12:20 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 01:15:05 "live with it out"? 01:15:15 hmm? 01:15:53 3rd sentence 01:16:33 heh 01:16:43 man, thats been around for a year and a half now and no one has said anything 01:17:42 fixed 01:17:56 well, kinda. 01:19:01 what browsers don't have back buttons? 01:19:41 i was being silly there, of a time before mosaic. 01:19:49 ah 01:26:51 sbp (~sean@AC933895.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 01:26:58 wb sean. 01:27:02 here's my article: http://www.gamegrene.com/rants/965563605.shtml 01:27:33 thanks 01:28:14 Alan Schwartz??? 01:28:14 heh! 01:28:14 [[[ 01:28:14 > Yes, URIs *may* denote abstract resources. No, HTTP URLs may *not*. 01:28:14 Patrick, as an author of both of those specifications, I can 01:28:15 definitively state that what you are saying does not match what I intended 01:28:17 when I wrote the sections to which you have referred. 01:28:19 ]]] 01:28:21 - Roy Fielding, on uri@w3.org, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2001Nov/0025 01:28:37 heh 01:29:19 ooh: "Wow! Finally someone else who gets the clue!" 01:29:29 from comments on your article 01:29:42 :) 01:29:55 do you always read the comments first? 01:30:24 no, I read the article, and then the comments 01:30:29 oh. fast reader. 01:30:35 heh, from my apache article: "After much spouting, your boss has finally given you a chance to prove your fevered ravings. " 01:31:21 so what'd you think? 01:32:14 quite cool. "Internet games rule. What kinds of Internet games are there? Who cares, the best are the browser based ones. Why did all the decent Internet games get underdeveloped. IF you have ideas, post them below!" 01:32:17 it was good 01:32:50 when you say text based, you talking about a zork sorta thing? or email? or xml? or what? 01:33:19 actually, the initial idea that started this mess was Aaron's ASCII tennis 01:33:27 ? 01:33:33 I thought he'd come up with something really cool... but... er... he hadn't 01:33:47 logster, grep -i ASCII tennis 01:33:55 I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'ASCII tennis' 01:33:56 0) 2001-11-16 01:33:47 logster, grep -i ASCII tennis 01:33:57 1) 2001-11-16 01:33:19 actually, the initial idea that started this mess was Aaron's ASCII tennis 01:33:58 2) 2001-10-22 04:12:07 IRC ASCII tennis? 01:33:59 3) 2001-10-22 04:11:18 I was thinking we could play IRC ASCII tennis. 01:34:05 I mean, you can play OXO and Chess over IRC too, surely 01:34:14 dammit, sean, this is what i was talking about a while ago. 01:34:18 about the old aol chatrooms. 01:34:21 lemme get you something. 01:34:33 please do :-) A drink or something would be nice 01:34:37 i gotta url for everything ;) 01:34:43 i got diet coke with lemon 01:34:44 ASCII snail racing: \@........\@.......... 01:34:49 lol 01:34:52 heh! 01:34:54 that rocks. 01:35:21 http://sacredchao.net/software/funbot/ 01:35:26 thats dead too. 01:35:54 ah, neat 01:36:13 yeah, i haven't actually used it yet. 01:36:19 lemme see if i can get it started here. 01:36:26 ooh! 01:36:35 ooh? 01:37:19 in fact, oooooh!!! 01:37:24 heh. um. 01:37:32 you know perl? wanna mod this? ;) 01:37:57 no I don't, and no, I don't 01:38:00 :-) 01:38:16 heh 01:40:51 bwahah. how the hell do you start this thing? 01:42:27 so what would you want to do for a game? 01:42:41 tennis? 01:43:06 dunno 01:43:52 ooh, rallying up support now... 01:44:33 * sbp waits for the page to load to get a citation... 01:44:56 "not found", try again with correct URI this time... 01:45:08 wait, wait, wait... 01:45:21 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... 01:45:47 hum a bit, make a drink, write a novel 01:45:58 ah! click a link, wait a bit more 01:46:35 odd. 01:46:41 [[[ 01:46:41 It seems that Sean is right. HTTP URIs seem like they could mean 01:46:41 anything. 01:46:41 ]]] - Russell O'Connor, on www-talk@w3.org, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/2001NovDec/0032 01:46:43 this bot thing doesn't want to connect. 01:47:10 what error? 01:47:34 you do have Perl installed, don't you? 01:48:08 yeah, kept not wanting to conenct to the server. 01:48:27 Sean is right, Roy is right, Mark is right, Dan is right, Aaron is right... 01:48:53 give it a lollipop 01:50:38 * Morbus is currently listening to 'POWERPUFF-FM - Cartoon Bits-Anime Hits animehardcore.net (REC)' on 's album ''. 01:50:38 !itunes 01:50:41 they're playing do the bartman 01:51:03 's got another album out??? Wow! 01:51:14 no, no, this is from long long long ago. 01:51:46 ah. And to think I was going to put it on my shopping list 01:51:55 making any headway with funbot? 01:52:03 nah, i gave up 01:52:16 :-) 01:52:29 i would love to do irc games, personally. 01:52:49 hey 01:53:46 aaaaaaargh! It's Aaron "Give Me A Pint Of Google" Swartz! 01:53:51 heh 01:53:51 I've notcied that musicbrainz refuses to list 's music 01:53:58 's? 01:54:09 see above 01:54:13 heh. 01:54:20 its hosted by live365 01:54:25 Ah, I see. 01:54:36 I've always loved 's now that I think of it. 01:54:48 its a very muted tone, don't you think? 01:54:57 :-) 01:55:05 we're in the 's generation 01:55:06 nah, he's jiving and stuff 01:57:05 Oh man, I just remembered something horiffic 01:57:14 that you're a nazi? 01:57:17 oh shit. 01:57:22 uh, that came out wrong. 01:57:24 wasn't thinking. 01:57:37 no... 01:57:51 It's going to be Valentine's Day soon! I hate Valentine's Day - I feel like Charlie Brown 01:58:00 Morbus, I think that's a record statement for you. 01:58:39 in what way? 01:58:46 at least he didn't capitalize it 01:58:47 heh... its the first thing i thought of, then forgot to think about the audience. 01:59:20 it was a bit dumbassed no matter what the audience 01:59:33 oh, and half my shit isn't dumbassed? 01:59:56 half your shit is cool 02:00:08 and the other half is dumbassed. 02:00:14 i like extremes, so that's good. 02:00:30 you know what gives me perverse pleasure? 02:00:39 using the same amount of letters in a sentence as the previous one. 02:00:43 so that they line up in a monospaced font. 02:02:57 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:03:14 Heh. 02:03:20 You and McCusker 02:03:27 huh? 02:05:40 he writes really short lines 02:05:50 so they all line up in monospaced fonts 02:05:55 ah. 02:05:58 xena has quit () 02:05:59 textshui. 02:07:24 sbp (~sean@172.186.101.79) has joined #swhack 02:08:26 xena (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 02:09:39 nick:tav :believes {{?x a :Interesting} => {:Plex :willReplace ?x} } . 02:09:41 wmf (wesf@cs242724-5.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:09:46 Hey wes 02:09:50 howdy 02:09:54 hey there wes... 02:09:55 what brings you here? 02:10:07 is "semantic web" really a trademark? 02:10:18 Don't think so -- why'd you think that? 02:10:31 http://www.ontoprise.de/com/start_products.htm 02:10:43 Oh, not this again... 02:10:53 The trademark is "Weaving the Semantic Web" 02:11:22