IRC log of swhack on 2002-05-22

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00:37:50 [Morbus]
* Morbus is tired.
00:59:02 [Morbus]
AaronSw: john robb's thinks your dad should be pissed.
01:11:51 [Ash]
lol @ jrobb
01:11:54 [Ash]
that's hilarious.
01:13:00 [Morbus]
isn't it?
01:13:13 [Morbus]
its like, next thing you know, people are gonna be putting his head on nude pictures.
01:13:20 [Morbus]
and jrobb's gonna be like "his dad should be pissed!"
01:13:59 [Morbus]
AaronSw: you need to make your MT RSS feed better. the excerpt sucks. turn it into MTBlogEntry or something. please? ;)]
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01:47:00 [Ash]
lol Morbus
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02:02:51 [wmf]
swhack!
02:04:43 [MorbusIff]
wf!
02:05:06 [wmf]
MorbusIff: what's your darth name?
02:05:21 [MorbusIff]
i dunno.
02:05:24 [MorbusIff]
i'm not a sw fan.
02:05:39 [wmf]
neither am I, but I already have two
02:05:46 [MorbusIff]
heh, heh.
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...
02:15:06 [hackup123]
what is this channel about?
02:15:20 [Morbus]
0 day warez.
02:15:27 [hackup123]
i
02:15:27 [hackup123]
c
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02:17:19 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We experienced a split in one of our main rotation servers and it's been removed from the rotation. This server has been experiencing occasional reliability problems of late for brief periods of time; this puts us down to three main rotation servers. We're making progress but still short. If you think you might be able to sponsor a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email lilo@openpr
02:17:33 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] erm, and email lilo@openprojects.net .... thanks!
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04:39:54 [sortAaron]
Wow, that jrobb thing is way to funny.
04:40:01 [wmf]
what?
04:40:04 [sortAaron]
I wonder if I should edit the page to be clearer..
04:40:17 [sortAaron]
jrobb is dising my dad
04:40:29 [sortAaron]
http://jrobb.userland.com/2002/05/21.html#a1838
04:41:02 [sortAaron]
and mispelling my name
04:41:27 [wmf]
he doesn't know you, does he?
04:41:33 [sortAaron]
not that i know of
04:41:51 [wmf]
although that post of yours isn't the clearest
04:42:43 [sortAaron]
* wmf . o O ( so that's why he wouldn't drink anything at etcon. he was still getting over that... )
04:42:53 [sortAaron]
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04:43:19 [wmf]
remember kids, alcohol is bad
04:43:44 [kindaAaron]
i'm really surprised he found that
04:44:41 [kindaAaron]
nobody notices ... hm, maybe i should mention alcohol in my technical writing too
04:46:13 [wmf]
wow, somebody is fighting back against the "poor little RealNames" meme
04:46:17 [wmf]
on /. no less!
04:47:06 [kindaAaron]
I uploaded my etcon photos.
04:47:25 [kindaAaron]
jill: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/google/IMG_1597.JPG/view
04:47:38 [kindaAaron]
etcon photos: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/etcon2002/
04:48:56 [kindaAaron]
wow, Sun is using metacity
04:49:44 [kindaAaron]
got more braces on today. they really really really hurt
04:50:19 [wmf]
only a few years to go...
04:50:38 [kindaAaron]
wow, a google banner ad
04:51:04 [deltab]
where?
04:51:14 [kindaAaron]
http://www.pcworld.com/dart_house/idg/5-17-02_google_barter/at_work120x600.gif
04:52:31 [wmf]
man, I look really relaxed in many photos
04:54:17 [kindaAaron]
do you ever look any other way? ;)
04:54:26 [wmf]
heh
04:54:30 [wmf]
I am such a slacker
04:54:50 [kindaAaron]
heh, i loved these signs: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/etcon2002/IMG_1599.JPG/view
04:55:02 [wmf]
sorry, I don't get it
04:55:04 [kindaAaron]
"fire alarm sounds like 'whooop' looks like 'strobe light'
04:55:11 [wmf]
oh yeah, that
04:55:15 [kindaAaron]
it's so all-your-basey
04:55:53 [wmf]
that gives me an idea
04:56:26 [kindaAaron]
oh?
04:56:58 [wmf]
combine me sinking deep into a couch with the couch on stage... what a great way to give a talk
04:57:25 [kindaAaron]
yeah, i was tempted to take bruce up on his offer
04:57:35 [wmf]
what was it?
04:57:51 [kindaAaron]
he had the couch on stage set so he was inviting people to come sit down on them
04:58:01 [wmf]
heh, MarkM does the "I am not a crook" thing
04:58:13 [kindaAaron]
lol
04:58:25 [kindaAaron]
but i was afraid i'd look stupid chatting on irc on stage during his talk
04:59:01 [wmf]
what's up with the shoulder-surfing photo?
04:59:31 [kindaAaron]
oh, it's draper
05:03:24 [kindaAaron]
heh, http://home.austin.rr.com/wmf/ sounds totally like wmf in real life
05:03:31 [kindaAaron]
"So now these free Web apps come along and I start using them, because hey, it's free and useful. But then when they're down, I can't complain (because it's free) but I also can't get work done. But life is like that. A lot of people become dependent on their jobs because they get used to the money and can't give it up.
05:03:33 [kindaAaron]
"
05:04:04 [wmf]
suprising?
05:04:14 [kindaAaron]
no, it's just cool
05:04:20 [wmf]
actually, that sounds really banal
05:07:23 [kindaAaron]
* kindaAaron is still wating for HTP TV
05:07:24 [wmf]
ah, this PIM/filesystem thread is actually interesting!
05:07:32 [wmf]
one day...
05:07:38 [kindaAaron]
is it? guess i should read it
05:11:18 [kindaAaron]
"I'd even venture to say that XML is a bad way to represent RDF. On the other hand, whenever I see XML I mentally replace it with "evil demon scum" so maybe I'm biased."
05:12:06 [wmf]
Paul's lists are a bit... ah, what's the word
05:13:44 [kindaAaron]
hm, i can't thing of anything to respond with except 'right on!'
05:18:14 [kindaAaron]
argh, my airport card keeps flaking out
05:24:47 [kindaAaron]
heh! "Some [pronounciation] Panelists admit to being so vexed by the problem [of how to pronounce banal] that they tend to avoid the word in conversation.
05:25:06 [wmf]
ridiculous!
05:25:25 [kindaAaron]
i say bay-null
05:25:57 [wmf]
(of course, I probably pronounce it wrong, but since evidently *nobody* knows how to say it, they can't tell that I'm wrong)
05:26:59 [kindaAaron]
2% of their Panel say it rhymes with panel, 38% say anal, 14% say bah-nahl
05:27:33 [kindaAaron]
err bay-nahl
05:27:44 [wmf]
was Joey on this panel?
05:27:47 [wmf]
:-)
05:28:31 [wmf]
anyway, gotta sleep so I can slave away for The Man tomorrow
05:28:52 [kindaAaron]
have fun
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05:29:04 [kindaAaron]
* kindaAaron sucks on some cookies
05:31:53 [kindaAaron]
hmph, all copies of hourglass on AG are blocked
05:40:10 [kindaAaron]
interesting. the songs that came free w/ my computer are blocked on audiogalaxy
05:45:02 [kindaAaron]
take it to the bridge, throw it overboard, ...
05:47:54 [kindaAaron]
too much pain, must sleep
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06:38:27 [walloper]
<lilo> Hi all. If you've seen any pr0n spammers lately, please let me know
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08:31:25 [rillian]
so I switched to dark transparent backgrounds in Terminal.app
08:31:32 [rillian]
along with a nice jupiter image for wallpaper
08:31:36 [rillian]
which was a nice change
08:31:54 [rillian]
but osx just isn't as configurable as linuxen
08:32:05 [rillian]
at last, a reason to switch back :)
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12:30:25 [quasi]
.acronym MTW
12:30:27 [xena]
MTW: Machine Tool Wire, Major Theater War, Manitowoc, Wisconsin (Airport Code), Marinette, Tomahawk, and Western Railroad Company, Midtown West (area in New York City), Midtown West (public school in Manhattan, New York), Mission to the World (Presbyterian Church in America international mission), Mobile Training Wing, Mortal Team Work (Quake clan), Musical Theatre Works (New York, NY)
12:31:01 [quasi]
.acronym WThF
12:31:02 [xena]
WThF:
12:52:56 [Morbus]
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13:12:42 [sandro]
are you actually wondering what those stand for, Quasi?
13:16:08 [quasi]
sandro: they were posted in another channel, and didn't register in my cached acronym list ;)
13:36:40 [sandro]
quasi, I was just wondering if you actually wanted to be told what they meant. They seemed obvious enough to me that I didn't want to insult you by telling (or not telling) you!
13:40:05 [quasi]
sandro: the last one was actually a spelling mistake, which confused me a bit - the first one was something I'd never seen before
13:42:57 [Morbus]
i hate tla's.
13:44:19 [Morbus]
quasi: have you ever used Archive::Tar before?
13:44:46 [sandro]
Huh? WThF is not a mistake -- is a good abreviation for Wednesday-Thursday-Friday. MTW is Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday.
13:45:18 [quasi]
sandro: he wanted to write WTF
13:45:52 [quasi]
Morbus: nope - I ran away screaming ;)
13:46:45 [Morbus]
quasi: joy.
13:47:01 [Morbus]
quasi: i tried to bind it into the runtime wrapper and it was all like "nOoO. compression is not available!"
13:47:19 [Morbus]
"but I'm not using you ye.." "compression is not available! seig heil!"
13:48:28 [sandro]
quasi, he meant "What The F*ck" instead of "Wednesday Thursday Friday" ?
13:54:50 [quasi]
sandro: he said s/WThF/WTF/
13:55:55 [sandro]
* sandro shrugs
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14:20:54 [Seth]
aaron, did you want to know how to find the host of the machine in python?
14:21:00 [Seth]
urllib.thishost()
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14:47:39 [Morbus]
hey monk.
14:47:45 [redmonk]
*FWOOSH*
14:47:48 [redmonk]
* redmonk appears
14:47:57 [redmonk]
hi morb
14:48:02 [redmonk]
hey! wes got a pic of the infamous jillzilla!
14:48:08 [Morbus]
another update to the alpha this morning. even better than before.
14:48:12 [redmonk]
http://wmf.editthispage.com/pictures/viewer$7556
14:48:13 [Morbus]
should have a beta within a few weeks.
14:48:26 [Morbus]
oOh. with AccordionGuy too.
14:48:45 [redmonk]
yeah
14:49:45 [redmonk]
"bring out the accordion guy, or we blog-spam your algorithm!"
15:04:58 [walloper]
<MysticOne> Apologies for the instabilities, folks. We're not quite sure what's going on at the moment, but rest assured we're working on it. Thank you for your understanding.
15:05:20 [redmonk]
<microsoft> Apologies for the instabilities, folks. We're not quite sure what's going on at the moment, but rest assured we're working on it. Thank you for your understanding.
15:05:32 [Morbus]
hehehe
15:05:43 [quasi]
LOL
15:36:05 [redmonk]
anyone sick enough here to have tried to build rdfdb on os x?
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15:57:30 [redmonk]
so what's with swhack these days? it got all quiet and glum?
15:57:45 [davb]
I just got back here.
15:57:55 [davb]
but the title doesn't sound good...
15:58:07 [redmonk]
heh. yeah, no kidding
15:59:31 [Seth]
apparently sbp has withdrawn and aaron threatened to kill it
15:59:45 [redmonk]
hm.
16:00:05 [Seth]
but that's just my unenlightened reading
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16:06:50 [sandro]
"withdrawn" ?
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(probably because I showed up. ;-)
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16:09:21 [sbp`]
following Swartz's first rule of staying away from a channel, one can speak on the said channel if you have some kind of nickname suffix or prefix
16:09:36 [sbp`]
sbp` has changed the topic to: A new topic every day!
16:13:01 [sbp`]
05:04:20 <wmf> actually, that sounds really banal
16:13:03 [sbp`]
*cough*
16:14:29 [sbp`]
bah, screw this, I can't even devoice myself
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16:15:10 [redmonk]
so... at the risk of opening a can of swhack, what the heck happpened yesterday? I read the logs and I *still* don't get it
16:15:23 [Morbus]
about what?
16:16:13 [redmonk]
aaronsw and sbp taking off in a huff
16:16:18 [redmonk]
seemingly
16:16:30 [redmonk]
for reasons i cannot divine from the logs
16:16:34 [Morbus]
oh?
16:16:57 [sbp]
well, swhack's'boring nowadays
16:17:14 [redmonk]
well, i can't argue with that
16:17:27 [sbp]
I thought it was just me being weird until I confirmed my fear by reading the logs from earlier this year
16:17:30 [Morbus]
ah, i see.
16:18:18 [sbp]
01:51:43 <sbp> So, any predictions for #shwack in 2002, Aaron?
16:18:18 [sbp]
01:52:30 <AaronSw-UK> I think there will be a Swhack on every desktop, running Palmersoft Software.
16:18:19 [sbp]
01:53:22 <sbp> Palmersoft? Sounds like a fabric softener
16:19:01 [sbp]
the only times that the swhack logs make me want to blurt these days are when Morbus decides to go into one
16:20:08 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
16:20:10 [Morbus]
thanks :)
16:20:12 [Morbus]
i've just been busy.
16:20:19 [Morbus]
and in a few days, I bet I'll be even more busy :)
16:20:21 [redmonk]
decides to go into one what?
16:20:42 [sbp]
right, that's another problem. we've all been rather bust lately, so swhack's not the hip-happening skizz that it once was
16:20:49 [sbp]
one of "them"
16:20:57 [redmonk]
hehe
16:21:32 [sbp]
for example:-
16:21:34 [sbp]
23:10:16 <Morbus> wmf and xoot at the same time?
16:21:34 [sbp]
23:10:21 <Morbus> that's really fucked up.
16:21:40 [sbp]
- http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-05-14.txt
16:22:02 [sbp]
Morbus says the kind of things that the rest of us have repressed
16:22:21 [redmonk]
but he's been to busy to give voice to our collective id
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"help! i'
16:22:30 [Morbus]
heheheh.
16:22:34 [redmonk]
m being repressed!"
16:22:35 [Morbus]
awww. you guys are making me blush ;)
16:22:43 [redmonk]
MorbusId
16:22:47 [Morbus]
Morbus: The Expresser of the Repressed.
16:22:53 [Morbus]
Morbus: The Expresser of the Represser.
16:23:13 [sbp]
ooh! The Standards Manifesto!
16:23:37 [sbp]
wow, I'm in the right place at the right time
16:23:48 [redmonk]
oh, so now we even have to have a standard manifesto? how may workinggroups did that take?
16:23:56 [sbp]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/2002MayJun/0006
16:24:07 [sbp]
just one: the Aaron Swartz Collective
16:24:23 [chumpy]
A: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/2002MayJun/0006 from sbp
16:24:23 [sbp]
WHATEVER:|The Standards Manifesto
16:24:25 [sbp]
ah
16:24:27 [sbp]
A:|The Standards Manifesto
16:24:43 [redmonk]
you will be a-swartz-imated
16:24:43 [chumpy]
titled item A
16:25:13 [sbp]
A::Aaron's "fed up" and he's "not going to take it anymore". Watch out city hall, Aaron's in town.
16:25:19 [sbp]
heh, heh
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commented item A
16:26:29 [Morbus]
and he's drunk, his father's upset, and he's really 19.
16:26:35 [sbp]
lol
16:26:53 [sbp]
The Many Myths of Swartz
16:27:05 [Morbus]
sbp: did you see that jrobb mention?
16:27:30 [sbp]
actually, I didn't. I followed the link, but it seems to have been replaced
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(http://jrobb.userland.com/2002/05/21.html#a1838
16:27:54 [sbp]
)
16:28:06 [Morbus]
hrm.
16:28:32 [Morbus]
he seems to have deleted it.
16:28:46 [sbp]
Newsflash: JRobb Breaks Links, Alienates Google, World
16:28:46 [redmonk]
taking after his boss
16:28:49 [Morbus]
it'll be great once amphetadesk archives channel items ;)
16:28:55 [redmonk]
yeah.
16:35:17 [Morbus]
off to lunch.
16:48:09 [sbp]
ooh, Seth's urllib.thishost() is way faster than socket
16:55:00 [sbp]
heh, heh! what excellent timing I have:-
16:55:01 [sbp]
16:06:50 <sandro> "withdrawn" ?
16:55:01 [sbp]
16:07:15 <sandro> (probably because I showed up. ;-)
16:55:01 [sbp]
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16:57:07 [redmonk]
heh
16:57:08 [redmonk]
true
16:58:19 [sbp]
Gotta run
16:58:37 [sandro]
By, Sean. :-)
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s/By/Bye
17:08:25 [pixel]
oooh. aaron's mad. heheh
17:26:30 [sbp]
mad, genius, or both
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sbp flooded?
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(dp's gone nuts)
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17:36:08 [SeanP]
argh
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* SeanP emails Aaron
17:37:46 [sandro]
bcc ww-archive?
17:38:08 [SeanP]
?
17:38:20 [sandro]
nevermind
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17:46:23 [ohAaron]
heh, i saw:
17:46:23 [ohAaron]
17:37:03 <SeanP> * SeanP emails Aaron
17:46:25 [ohAaron]
17:37:46 <sandro> bcc ww-archive?
17:46:28 [ohAaron]
and then i got an email
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17:46:51 [ohAaron]
try now
17:47:05 [SeanP]
I don't know why the logs say it floods, since it isn't giving out any thing
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17:47:20 [ohAaron]
yeah, that seems to happen to tav sometimes
17:47:34 [ohAaron]
oh, hey wendy
17:47:57 [wendy]
hey aaron. we're working on earl on #er (irc.w3.org) if you are interested.
17:48:13 [wendy]
sbp - help?
17:51:19 [wendy]
aaron - did you find a copy of your "verb/noun" discussion?
17:53:48 [sbp]
O.K., I think I'm getting somewhere now
17:53:50 [sbp]
big connection problems there
17:54:22 [ohAaron]
hm, i don't think i ever did. do you have one, sbp?
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ty A
17:56:20 [sbp]
what verb/noun discussion is that?
17:56:25 [ohAaron]
rdfnsbestpractices
17:56:37 [sbp]
oh, that. it's all in swag-dev, IIRC
17:56:38 [ohAaron]
err rdfnspractices
17:56:47 [ohAaron]
that's what i thought, but i can't find it
17:57:02 [sbp]
Tim has said stuff about it too, but it's probably all in SWAD - *sigh*
17:58:30 [sbp]
I thought it had been wrapped up (since almost everyone uses nouns), but the DCMI schema confusion thing has made me ponder it again. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Apr/0064
17:58:40 [sbp]
Gotta run
18:04:36 [ohAaron]
hm: http://radiocomments.userland.com/comments?u=1026&p=1838
18:05:14 [Morbus]
what's this?
18:05:25 [ohAaron]
comments form for the deleted post
18:05:37 [Morbus]
ah.
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18:06:40 [ohAaron]
I think it was: "<a>Aaron Schwartz</a>. Read this. Is Aaron 15? If I were his Dad I'd be pissed."
18:07:02 [Morbus]
everyone mispells your name.
18:07:09 [Morbus]
same with mind. always trying to make me commit suicide.
18:07:17 [ohAaron]
heh
18:07:34 [sandro]
Don't worry about it Morbius. ;-]
18:07:46 [pixel]
in high school I had two friends: Stephanie Schwartz, and Stephanie Schwarz. got very confusing sometimes.
18:08:03 [Morbus]
oooHhh.
18:08:18 [Morbus]
* Morbus adds another chip to sandro's abacus.
18:09:38 [ohAaron]
so mobius, you never told us you were a user system
18:11:17 [Morbus]
arrrrr.
18:11:52 [ohAaron]
dan, daniel, danny, dancie, danbri, danbee, danel, dan bricklin
18:12:04 [ohAaron]
i know too many dans
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18:13:54 [sandro]
* sandro thanks his mother, again, who was oooooh so close to naming him daniel.
18:32:21 [Morbus]
i think i shall call you dandro.
18:32:26 [Morbus]
or saniel.
18:33:01 [sandro]
yeah. my sister calls me sandan.
18:34:08 [Morbus]
i shall too!
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19:14:57 [sbp]
Hmm... that noun/verb thing was about the suitabilty of "assertedBy". I guess I still intuitively like verbs :-)
19:15:13 [sbp]
earl:assertor would work
19:16:51 [sbp]
I was thinking about using "Morbus" as an adjective the other day, and decided that "Morbous" would work well, just like mucus/mucous
19:17:06 [Morbus]
* Morbus beams.
19:17:58 [pixel]
"I sneezed, and morboused all over myself"
19:21:44 [pixel]
"that swamp water was very morbous"
19:23:32 [sbp]
I'm not sure about the first one: I haven't decided what the verb should be yet.
19:24:25 [pixel]
it's still very entertaining to say it out loud.
19:26:03 [sbp]
morbously could be the adv: "he sneezed morbously, phlegm and mucus flying everywhere"
19:29:15 [pixel]
excellent.
19:33:06 [sandro]
You're getting some nice replies, Aaron....
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19:38:28 [sbp]
I'm just surprised to see DanBri using the word "'l33t"
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20:10:41 [revolutionAaron]
heh, doesn't lessig look like ted nelson: http://www.journalsonline.com/pix/gallery.cgi/CP_05182002?num=12
20:14:42 [Morbus]
redmonk: your rss feed is fuxored.
20:14:47 [Morbus]
not well-formed at line 70, column 88, byte 4415
20:15:28 [sbp]
Hmm... I think that's the first pic of Lessig I've seen
20:16:01 [revolutionAaron]
really? the traditional photo is here: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/lessig/
20:16:39 [sbp]
wow, he looks so different there
20:16:49 [revolutionAaron]
yeah
20:22:37 [lilo]
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20:23:21 [lilo]
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20:23:45 [sbp]
Aaron, quick, donate Vorpal!
20:24:14 [revolutionAaron]
heh. i don't think i have a t3
20:24:36 [sbp]
the words "T3 or better" are some of the scariest in the English language
20:25:25 [sbp]
"your sever's down" follow closely
20:25:30 [sbp]
"the Simpsons aren't on today"
20:25:42 [sbp]
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20:25:48 [Morbus]
oOooh.
20:25:58 [Morbus]
them fighting words, bub,
20:26:02 [sbp]
heh, heh
20:27:47 [quasi]
* quasi thinks the one with "the Simpsons aren't on today" should be moved a bit up in the list - along with "there are no more cold beers in the fridge" ;)
20:28:44 [sbp]
heh, heh. it wasn't an <ol> :-)
20:28:47 [Morbus]
quasi: have you used cgi.pm before?
20:29:05 [bitsko]
* bitsko has, lightly
20:29:46 [Morbus]
actually, just found it.
20:29:53 [Morbus]
i was looking to import all params into a hash or hash ref.
20:29:53 [quasi]
Morbus: yes - I have dark childhood memories of using it ;)
20:29:59 [Morbus]
and it looks like I can do it with Vars()
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20:33:17 [bitsko]
is it me, or does the current RSS blogversation seem almost rational?
20:34:17 [sbp]
quasi: I'll see your "there are no more cold beers in the fridge" and raise you a "prohibition has come into effect"
20:34:59 [quasi]
sbp: hey, stop that - that's too scary ;)
20:35:46 [quasi]
oh wait a minute - that would only be in .us ... ;)
20:36:01 [sbp]
don't worry too much: with speakeasys and blind tigers jerking suds on the side, we'd be O.K.
20:37:35 [quasi]
sbp: since my preferences are for belgian beers, french wine and scottish whiskey, that might be a bit disappointing ;)
20:37:38 [sbp]
what kind of style guide advises one to use polemical instead of polemic?
20:38:02 [revolutionAaron]
"A dictionary of modern american usage", as recommended by raph
20:38:07 [quasi]
sbp: a b0rken one ;)
20:38:35 [sbp]
wow, Tim replies on the Standards Manifesto
20:39:22 [revolutionAaron]
wow
20:43:12 [Morbus]
bitsko: concerning rss conversation: surprisingly so, but most of the stuff being proposed for another v0.X release have been accomplished in v1.0
20:47:33 [bitsko]
that's true. not enough "equivalency" discussion happening around it. I had always hoped there'd be a table one could go to to see which format implemented which features.
20:48:02 [Morbus]
ben hammersley has colated most of the current thoughts:
20:48:07 [Morbus]
http://rss.benhammersley.com/archives/000051.html#000051
20:48:50 [sbp]
"sub-element"? heh
20:49:05 [sbp]
in fact, no, that deserves a bwahahahahahaha!
20:49:33 [bitsko]
I hadn't had a chance to comment (and as always, fear doing so), but I'd want clarification on what he meant by "all of these elements are equally applicable with RSS1.0 - I suggest that acceptance into one spec can and should equal accceptance into the other"
20:49:49 [Morbus]
yeah, that worries me too.
20:49:59 [bitsko]
I agree if he means semantic acceptance (adding a namespace in RSS 1.0), but not if he means non-NS
20:51:01 [bitsko]
that's where a table of elements/featuers would be useful, to know where one is reinventing the wheel. I'm glad Jon noticed mod_content was doing what his new elements are doing.
20:52:38 [Morbus]
i don't see that many people using mod_content.
20:53:04 [Morbus]
the nice thing: in the new version of ampheta, you can use ANYTHING passed through a valid RSS feed in your template display. it doesn't matter if its been defined anywhere internal to Ampheta.
21:00:33 [redmonk]
re: [1:15] <Morbus> redmonk: your rss feed is fuxored.
21:00:37 [redmonk]
which feed?
21:00:38 [redmonk]
uri?
21:01:51 [redmonk]
i have two : rss091 and 1.0
21:02:15 [Morbus]
oh. uh. hold on.
21:02:34 [Morbus]
its probably both - I think it was an unencoded &.
21:03:01 [Morbus]
it's your 1.0
21:04:33 [redmonk]
it looks fine to me
21:04:47 [redmonk]
http://www.redmonk.net/redmonk.rdf?
21:05:51 [Morbus]
that's the error XML::Parser is giving: not well-formed at line 70, column 88, byte 4415
21:05:58 [Morbus]
maybe its been fixed and I just haven't picked up the update yet.
21:06:12 [redmonk]
weird
21:06:19 [redmonk]
both look fine to me
21:06:24 [Morbus]
lemme try it again. hold on.
21:08:19 [Morbus]
ooOoh. redmonk, this is the feed I'm using: http://www.redmonk.net/xml/recentRedmonk_091.rss
21:08:26 [Morbus]
how wrong is that? <G>
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21:18:24 [redmonk]
MOrbus: were you trying to parse an rss1.0 file?
21:19:57 [revolutionAaron]
yeah, i get "a name was started with an invalid character" when parsing it
21:20:15 [revolutionAaron]
and sure enough, you have an unencoded &.
21:20:21 [revolutionAaron]
"L2&# cache"
21:20:28 [revolutionAaron]
s/#/3/
21:22:40 [revolutionAaron]
argh, my teeth are killing me
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* revolutionAaron takes two tylenol
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21:36:05 [ASw]
have you seen... arch, i think it's called?
21:43:05 [sbp]
ASw, on your "Put up RDF versions of all your HTML" line: um... what?
21:43:32 [ASw]
what?
21:44:50 [sbp]
what did you mean by that?
21:45:20 [ASw]
just what i said... it's an http principle, no?
21:45:42 [sbp]
most of the stuff in HTML is just documentation - the words "RDF versions of all your HTML" just don't make sense to me
21:46:03 [sbp]
there are bits of HTML that one can publish as RDF - contact information, bookmarks and the like
21:46:11 [ASw]
aha, i see the confusion
21:46:24 [ASw]
man, what an awful day
21:47:15 [sbp]
heh, well I had to join in on the misinterpretation fun :-)
21:47:49 [ASw]
it was scoped by the semantic web site. i.e. only o it for databasey stuff
21:47:57 [ASw]
see semanticWeb-webdev
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21:51:36 [sbp]
.google semanticWeb-webdev
21:51:37 [xena]
semanticWeb-webdev: no match found
21:54:51 [Seth]
.google seth russell
21:54:52 [xena]
seth russell: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2000Nov/0317.html
21:59:52 [sbp]
I'm now on the second page for "Sean", just under a Sean Connery fanpage...
22:00:02 [sbp]
getting there
22:01:35 [Seth]
.google semantic web seth
22:01:37 [xena]
semantic web seth: http://www.lucifer.com/~sasha/articles/SemanticWeb.html
22:02:07 [Seth]
i was talking to sasha just before he died about semantic web stuff
22:17:51 [sbp]
interesting: http://spin.com/new/features/videofeatures/february2002top50.html
22:17:51 [sbp]
via. thes-whatever
22:18:08 [sbp]
er... thelsdj, http://ipwebdev.com/radio/
22:19:22 [sbp]
the author(s) is obviously a punk/metal devoteé, though
22:30:43 [sbp]
Hmm... Google should display pageranks on the search results
22:30:54 [sbp]
perhaps optionally...
22:32:45 [AaronSw]
It used to.
22:33:00 [sbp]
why did they stop?
22:33:56 [AaronSw]
Dunno. Maybe users didn't like it, or maybe they were worried about people stealing their data.
22:34:30 [sbp]
good point
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22:54:22 [sbp]
sup Mo'b?
22:54:40 [walloper]
<lilo> "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world."
22:54:49 [Morbus]
man oh man, do I feel like poo.
22:54:54 [walloper]
<lilo> Please welcome the reincarnated bear.openprojects.net, in Wisconsin, US!
22:55:07 [Morbus]
i've got a summer flu or something. i feel listless, massive headache, stuffy head, sore throat, aches and pains.
22:55:17 [Morbus]
i've got everything. its kicking my ass.
22:55:27 [Morbus]
i'm wondering if I've been drained due to the massive code frenzy i've been going on.
22:55:35 [sbp]
go and make a cup of tea!
22:55:39 [Morbus]
i haven't done that since last October.
22:56:00 [Morbus]
've been drinking oj left and right.
22:56:09 [Morbus]
i've been getting hotflashes today, thus no tea.
22:56:16 [sbp]
have cold tea
22:56:23 [Morbus]
i'm going through menopause, i know it.
22:56:30 [sbp]
heh!
22:56:42 [sbp]
I've often wondered why it isn't called the womenopause
22:57:18 [Morbus]
cos its designed to make men pause and wonder why they ever married this bitch of a woman ;)
22:58:02 [sbp]
I can feel the feminist groups gathering to demonstrate outside SwhackHQ...
22:58:14 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
23:00:16 [sbp]
ooh! I just remembered something that I invented earlier
23:00:20 [sbp]
it's a design for a new plug
23:00:25 [Morbus]
yes?
23:00:47 [sbp]
whoever invented the plug ranks up there with the person that invented the CD jewel case as being an absolute frikkin idiot
23:00:56 [sbp]
although jewel cases are less dangerous
23:01:48 [sbp]
anyway, I should probably sketch it out and patent it, but I'll have to stick it on my TODO list :-)
23:03:35 [Morbus]
:)
23:04:04 [Morbus]
i just took some cold and flu pills with non-drowsy relief, so in three hours I'm gonna be dead tired.
23:04:23 [sbp]
non-drowsy!
23:04:41 [sbp]
ooh, you should enter into a little feverish rant
23:04:54 [Morbus]
heh.
23:04:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw -> mideval deely
23:05:07 [Morbus]
yeah, the nondrowsy stuff never works for me.
23:05:15 [sbp]
mideval?
23:05:40 [sbp]
quoth Google: "Did you mean: medieval"
23:06:14 [sbp]
Hmm... I always spelled it "mediaeval"
23:07:32 [sbp]
"medieval" is roughly twice as popular, though
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23:32:13 [sbp]
Hi Tom
23:32:54 [tomch]
*wave*
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23:34:39 [Morbus]
goddamit. they're kicking in already.
23:36:59 [sbp]
uh oh
23:37:45 [sbp]
* sbp wants to do some Hook + N3 + XSLIR thing, but can't really be bothered
23:39:24 [sbp]
ah, perhaps Americans say "Mediaeval" too quickly, so it comes out as a kind of three syllable "mideval" thing
23:39:51 [sbp]
perhaps they're having trouble writing haikus about the dark-ages
23:41:57 [Morbus]
* Morbus goes to bed.
23:42:23 [sbp]
c'ya Lord Morbington of Drowsyshire
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