IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-29

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00:26:41 [AaronSw]
pfl;bbb
00:27:20 [wmf]
AaronSw: you don't say? that is fascinating
00:27:31 [AaronSw]
I'm glad you thought so.
00:27:47 [AaronSw]
I'm thinking of posting it to my weblog, and then cross-posting to several newsgroups and email lists.
00:28:04 [AaronSw]
Then I'll by a few text ads, maybe a blimp or two.
00:28:09 [wmf]
ooh, I should stop reading the P800 specs
00:28:16 [wmf]
I totally want one
00:28:20 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:30:53 [sbp]
* sbp hastily runs through dvorak stuff, and finds nothing
00:31:02 [wmf]
I could write an app that blogs photos directly from the phone
00:39:08 [tomch]
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00:41:26 [wmf]
or if you really want to waste battery, run a webcam from your phone
00:42:42 [wmf]
geez, you can author SMIL on the phone!
01:16:56 [AaronSw]
doesn't tansaku have a photo-on-phone emailer?
01:17:03 [AaronSw]
just hook it up to email-to-blog
01:37:37 [AaronSw]
GR: Malcom ITM
02:24:50 [Ash]
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02:27:05 [sbp]
it's TEH TREE FILE repair man
02:29:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uploads today's pic
02:29:26 [AaronSw]
A:|Steve's Web Page
02:29:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw watches a bio on John Nash
02:29:45 [chumpy]
titled item A
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02:39:45 [AaronSw]
Nash turned down a position at U of C, cuz he was scheduled to become Emperor of Anactica
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03:28:32 [AaronSw]
diveintomark: "HTML is not a crock, and anyone who tells you that it is either doesn't understand it or is trying to sell you something, or both. It's a structural markup language, and if you're trying to make it into something else, it's no wonder you hate it, because it really sucks at being anything else. And if you insist on treating it with no respect, then it will continue to give you grief, and you deserve it."
03:28:49 [jillzilla]
:-)
03:29:48 [sbp]
Um...
03:30:18 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is having trouble getting focused on work.
03:30:25 [sbp]
it sucks at being a "structural markup language" too, though (if I get what he means by that)
03:30:45 [sbp]
ingest some caffeine
03:30:54 [jillzilla]
nooo, then I'd be up all night.
03:31:21 [sbp]
drink some warm milk before you go to bed
03:32:02 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla notes that sbp could stand to have some warm milk himself.
03:32:16 [sbp]
nah
03:32:54 [jillzilla]
Up a bit late there.
03:33:04 [sbp]
.time +1
03:33:04 [xena]
error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
03:33:10 [sbp]
.time BST
03:33:10 [xena]
Apr. 29, 2002 4:33 am GMT+1
03:33:22 [sbp]
it
03:33:26 [sbp]
it's not all that late...
03:33:32 [jillzilla]
So I see. :-)
03:33:54 [jillzilla]
sbp: we could watch the sun rise together! That would be so much fun!
03:34:00 [sbp]
* sbp envisages himself one day prising the ' key from his keyboard and hurling it somewhere
03:34:19 [sbp]
I'd rather have a game of pool
03:34:26 [jillzilla]
I'm sitting next to a pool table.
03:34:39 [sbp]
argh! torture me, why don't you?
03:34:48 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla applies the Chinese water torture.
03:34:50 [jillzilla]
drip
03:34:52 [jillzilla]
drip
03:34:55 [jillzilla]
drip
03:34:57 [jillzilla]
drip
03:35:00 [jillzilla]
drip
03:35:04 [jillzilla]
drip
03:35:08 [sbp]
wet today?
03:35:09 [AaronSw]
Argh, this is so much more painful on IRC.
03:35:09 [jillzilla]
drip
03:35:14 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs.
03:35:23 [jillzilla]
Muahahahahaha.
03:35:48 [AaronSw]
.py while 1: msg("jillzilla", "drip")
03:35:48 [xena]
SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
03:35:52 [AaronSw]
hmph
03:36:01 [jillzilla]
at least put a sleep in there.
03:36:06 [sbp]
heh... put a \ at the end :-)
03:36:34 [sbp]
dripsleep?
03:36:40 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla recalls the very embarrassing night when she learned that while 1 loops are best with sleeps in them.
03:36:53 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:37:35 [jillzilla]
Hey, I thought *I* was the torturer here, and that sbp was the victim.
03:38:19 [AaronSw]
Oh, right. sorry there.
03:38:27 [sbp]
* sbp resists the urge to play Green Day, She
03:38:36 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is listening to the Chemical Bros.
03:38:45 [sbp]
* sbp is listening to Bob Dylan
03:39:00 [jillzilla]
You like Bob Dylan quite a lot, eh, sbp?
03:39:04 [sbp]
I do indeed
03:39:59 [AaronSw]
you should have seen his ten favorite songs. it went beatles, beatles, beatles, dylan, dylan, dylan, beatles, beatles, ledzep, ledzep, dylan, beatles
03:40:10 [jillzilla]
oh, I want to hear the list.
03:40:16 [sbp]
I listed my ten favourite songs? I don't think so
03:40:19 [AaronSw]
.google infomesh ten songs
03:40:20 [xena]
infomesh ten songs: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-02-23.txt
03:40:21 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla knows almost everything by the Beatles.
03:40:31 [AaronSw]
I downloaded all of them once
03:41:03 [sbp]
I freely admit that the Beatles, Dylan, and Zep are my three faourite musical acts of all time...
03:41:23 [AaronSw]
I vividly remember this top ten list.
03:41:32 [AaronSw]
It was with a bunch of other top tens, simpsons episodes, etc.
03:41:37 [jillzilla]
I like two of the three, and know little of the third. The two that I like have had times in my life when I listened to them daily.
03:41:48 [jillzilla]
One of the three I've listened to possibly more than any other band.
03:42:49 [jillzilla]
It's the first music I ever remember listening to.
03:42:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw browses his infomesh.net archive
03:43:19 [sbp]
* sbp greps his local directory
03:43:32 [sbp]
ha! there's so not a list
03:44:08 [AaronSw]
maybe you deleted it
03:44:32 [AaronSw]
it's where i got the smgcwm joke
03:45:05 [sbp]
heh. you're thinking of albums, I'm afraid
03:45:13 [AaronSw]
oh, same difference
03:45:27 [sbp]
and my opinion on that tends to change quite rapidly
03:46:12 [sbp]
almost any opinion list of mine is out of date by the time it's written :-)
03:46:12 [AaronSw]
aha, found it!
03:46:22 [AaronSw]
argh, you did delete it!
03:46:28 [sbp]
heh
03:46:32 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla looks curious.
03:46:35 [AaronSw]
good thing i have the local cache
03:46:52 [sbp]
indeed
03:47:14 [AaronSw]
--
03:47:14 [AaronSw]
Top Ten Albums
03:47:14 [AaronSw]
From this list you can also ascertain my top three bands/musicians...
03:47:15 [AaronSw]
1.Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles
03:47:15 [AaronSw]
2.Blonde On Blonde - Bob Dylan
03:47:16 [AaronSw]
3.Revolver - The Beatles
03:47:17 [AaronSw]
4.(untitled) - Led Zeppelin
03:47:19 [AaronSw]
5.Abbey Road - The Beatles
03:47:21 [AaronSw]
6.Magical Mystery Tour - The Beatles
03:47:23 [AaronSw]
7.The Beatles (aka. The White Album) - The Beatles
03:47:25 [AaronSw]
8.Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin
03:47:27 [AaronSw]
9.Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan
03:47:29 [AaronSw]
10.Led Zeppelin III - Led Zeppelin
03:47:31 [AaronSw]
--
03:47:55 [sbp]
was that really an <ol>?
03:47:57 [jillzilla]
Interesting. No Zep IV.
03:48:01 [AaronSw]
appears it was
03:48:04 [sbp]
(untitled) - Led Zeppelin
03:48:14 [jillzilla]
aha.
03:48:17 [AaronSw]
nearby: "If you are easily offended, you should skip the next list! It's mainly for a competition that FHM runs every year... Once again, see the caveat. Top Ten Sexiest Women In The World"
03:48:23 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:48:42 [AaronSw]
heh: "This really *is* a matter of opinion, and I welcome comments about the proposed order. I also welcome lobbies to remove the list, etc. (although I will categorically ignore them citing the first amendment of the US Constitution)."
03:48:43 [sbp]
I never did win that
03:48:58 [jillzilla]
who said these things?
03:49:03 [AaronSw]
Mr. sbp
03:49:08 [sbp]
damn right
03:49:14 [jillzilla]
...who isn't bound by the US constitution. :-)
03:49:25 [sbp]
heh. the suckers don't know that
03:49:25 [AaronSw]
He also has Languages, Cars, TV Shows and books
03:49:35 [jillzilla]
Oooh, I want to see them ALL!
03:49:37 [sbp]
ooh, what was the cars list?
03:49:52 [AaronSw]
hm, cars was with the women
03:49:58 [AaronSw]
"I'll just list these in prose: Ferrari F50, McLaren F1, Jaguar XJ220, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40. One day I'll own all five..."
03:50:24 [AaronSw]
Argh, I never grabbed ttsw
03:50:36 [sbp]
Hmm... combined cost: c.£2M
03:50:39 [AaronSw]
maybe deltab has that
03:50:56 [sbp]
* sbp should have changed his FTP password earlier
03:51:10 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smiles
03:51:18 [AaronSw]
it was pretty easy to guess
03:51:28 [GabeW]
kewl on the mclaren!
03:51:43 [jillzilla]
hi, GabeW.
03:51:46 [GabeW]
hi
03:51:52 [GabeW]
i'm actually shoving off
03:52:00 [jillzilla]
well, shove all you like.
03:52:02 [GabeW]
a mclaren would be nice to have
03:52:11 [sbp]
* sbp got to see an F50, a McL F1, and an F40
03:52:12 [GabeW]
they are a million bucks a pop last time I checked ;-)
03:52:42 [AaronSw]
that's too bad, i'm really curious about ttsw
03:52:43 [sbp]
actually, I'd like a Type 35 too
03:53:00 [AaronSw]
Ah, at least I know what it stands for.
03:53:19 [AaronSw]
--
03:53:21 [AaronSw]
Top Ten TV Shows
03:53:22 [AaronSw]
I suppose it's obvious what the number one choice is, but I actually watch a lot of TV (tut, tut) and so I like a broad range of shows (well, these are all comedies - but you know what I mean).
03:53:23 [AaronSw]
1.The Simpsons
03:53:23 [AaronSw]
2.Fawlty Towers
03:53:23 [AaronSw]
3.Frasier
03:53:23 [AaronSw]
4.Friends
03:53:25 [AaronSw]
5.The Fast Show
03:53:27 [AaronSw]
6.South Park
03:53:29 [AaronSw]
7.Newsradio
03:53:31 [AaronSw]
8.Cheers
03:53:33 [AaronSw]
9.Bottom
03:53:35 [AaronSw]
10.The Young Ones
03:53:37 [AaronSw]
Top Philisophical Books
03:53:40 [AaronSw]
This really is a matter of opinion, and so as I don't offend too many people, I haven't specified this as a numerical list (except The Bible is definately number one)...although you can take it as being a numerical list if you wish...
03:53:43 [AaronSw]
*The Bible
03:53:45 [AaronSw]
*Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu
03:53:47 [AaronSw]
*I Ching
03:53:49 [AaronSw]
*The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy - Douglas Adams
03:53:51 [AaronSw]
*The Tao Of Physics - Fritjof Capra
03:53:53 [AaronSw]
*Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency - Douglas Adams
03:53:55 [AaronSw]
*Sepher Yetzirah (Book Of Formation)
03:53:57 [AaronSw]
*Chuang Tzu - Chuang Tzu
03:53:59 [AaronSw]
*The Art Of War - T'sun Tzu
03:54:01 [AaronSw]
*Parzival - Wolfram Von Eschenbach
03:54:03 [AaronSw]
--
03:54:13 [sbp]
now those are some kick-ass books
03:54:29 [sbp]
but man, is it hard to choose
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03:54:38 [AaronSw]
See, the archiver pays off. the 4GB were worth it
03:54:59 [AaronSw]
aargh, smg.jpg didn't download
03:55:31 [sbp]
I'm really not sure that the shows are an ol either... as I say, my opinions are rather flexible
03:55:46 [sbp]
* sbp will one day just erase infomesh.net to spite Aaron
03:55:59 [AaronSw]
tell me the password firs
03:56:06 [sbp]
heh, so the problem is, every time you just go randomly spewing information, you're probably killing it
03:56:07 [sbp]
heh, as if
03:56:18 [AaronSw]
i'm killing it?
03:56:20 [sbp]
* sbp isn't going to be making that mistake twice :-)
03:56:38 [AaronSw]
Too bad plane tickets are so expensive. I'll have to find another way of making you talk.
03:56:43 [sbp]
and it's not as if I told you it the first time... I accidentally clicked on one of my bookmarks!
03:56:45 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:56:58 [AaronSw]
You accidentally clicked? I *purposely* clicked!
03:57:23 [sbp]
ah. so you stole it. fair enough :-)
03:57:48 [AaronSw]
I think stealing may be the wrong word here.
03:57:49 [sbp]
* sbp taps logster - "testing, testing!"
03:58:33 [AaronSw]
logster, hello
03:59:00 [sbp]
well, I often wonder what would happen if my hard drive just went
03:59:15 [sbp]
I think that I have a lot of good stuff at infomesh, but perhaps I should backup some more
03:59:21 [jillzilla]
you should.
03:59:22 [AaronSw]
You should get Eastgate to publish it on CD-ROM first.
03:59:28 [sbp]
and I have stuff on CD... but you always have to wonder
03:59:30 [sbp]
heh
03:59:32 [AaronSw]
Er, before it went that is.
03:59:43 [AaronSw]
infomesh is good too, especially if you send me a copy of the password.
03:59:46 [sbp]
before what went?
03:59:48 [AaronSw]
My email address is me@aaronsw.com
03:59:53 [AaronSw]
before your hard drive went.
04:00:01 [sbp]
testing! testing! spambots!
04:00:19 [sbp]
(don't even bother - he has... SpamAssasin!)
04:00:20 [AaronSw]
Not like it's anything they don't already know.
04:00:24 [AaronSw]
(exactly!)
04:00:36 [AaronSw]
if you email me, be sure to email junk@swartzfam.com
04:00:39 [AaronSw]
so that I know it's spam.
04:00:41 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:00:59 [AaronSw]
It hashes the mail it receives and puts them on a spamlist for me.
04:01:08 [sbp]
neat
04:01:20 [AaronSw]
and anyone else, via vipul's razor
04:01:33 [sbp]
.time
04:01:34 [xena]
2002/04/29 04:01:33.2363 Universal
04:01:53 [AaronSw]
Hm, I don't think I've read the historical note on http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI before. Odd.
04:01:59 [AaronSw]
TimBL's historical notes are awesome.
04:02:02 [sbp]
xena should be able to predict what people are about to ask
04:02:36 [sbp]
indeed: now that's thinking ahead...
04:03:00 [AaronSw]
ah, here's the other one. bottom of http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/PersistentDomains
04:03:37 [sbp]
heh: "Time-Microsoft-Murdock"
04:04:44 [AaronSw]
.google "Chaos and Fortune:Civilization from the Robber Barons to Domain Sharks"
04:04:45 [xena]
"Chaos and Fortune:Civilization from the Robber Barons to Domain Sharks": http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader%244852%3Fmode%3Dday&e=921
04:05:05 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:06:18 [sbp]
is it just me, or is that URI totally borked?
04:06:32 [AaronSw]
it's borked. you want: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$4852
04:06:35 [AaronSw]
(xena bug)
04:07:03 [sbp]
All roads lead to Aaron, or Swhack, or what have you
04:08:37 [AaronSw]
Hm, I wonder if I should mail TimBL with the WWW small world link so he can update http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Fractal
04:09:11 [AaronSw]
oh, interesting, that's the doc orasis found
04:10:14 [AaronSw]
Fractal web is pretty interesting, I used to think that's what TimBL should do after he finished the Web
04:10:39 [sbp]
finished?!
04:11:11 [AaronSw]
yeah, like when it was done he could retire and talk about fractal societies
04:11:23 [AaronSw]
maybe found a not-for-profit, the usual
04:12:46 [AaronSw]
what a neat homepage graphic: http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/moebius_31b.gif
04:14:36 [sbp]
funny, I've seen that before
04:14:47 [AaronSw]
with the dude's head on it?
04:17:03 [sbp]
ah. perhaps not
04:19:26 [sbp]
heh, Chinese Water Torture, Aaron style:-
04:19:35 [sbp]
drip [sound of data being deleted]
04:19:41 [AaronSw]
aaargh
04:19:46 [AaronSw]
stop! stop!
04:19:52 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Moby Dick knows all: http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/dilugim/wtc
04:20:54 [xena]
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04:21:02 [sbp]
heh
04:21:06 [sbp]
what's up with xena?
04:21:28 [AaronSw]
oops
04:21:34 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks sheepish
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04:22:29 [sbp]
tut, tut
04:23:05 [sbp]
Art?
04:23:19 [sbp]
there was a Perl ASCII art thing somewhere...
04:23:53 [sbp]
aha: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1334/samtpjoneliners/one-liners05.html
04:24:20 [sbp]
art from Perl
04:25:28 [AaronSw]
hmm: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
04:27:06 [sbp]
interesting
04:27:33 [sbp]
so many weird articles on the events...
04:32:29 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/priority-interrupt.html
04:33:46 [AaronSw]
heh, I like their definition of program: "1. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages."
04:34:44 [AaronSw]
and programming is: "2. A pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward."
04:36:45 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:36:49 [sbp]
those hackers
04:44:28 [AaronSw]
ESR: "Python's relationship with Perl is rather like the BSD community's relationship to Linux - it's the smaller party in a (usually friendly) rivalry, but the average quality of its developers is generally conceded to be rather higher than in the larger community it competes with."
04:44:44 [jillzilla]
That's fairly true.
04:45:07 [AaronSw]
Hm, it's pronounced khwee'do.
04:45:09 [sbp]
nice quote
04:45:26 [sbp]
you could have set it as the topic had it not been so long. perhaps you can hash it
04:45:48 [AaronSw]
I had a better topic, let me see if I can remember it..
04:45:58 [sbp]
Gotta run
04:46:22 [jillzilla]
Sleep well, sbp.
04:46:31 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Windows to Mac to Mac OS X to UNIX to Linux to BSD to OpenBSD
04:46:35 [AaronSw]
c'ya
04:47:14 [AaronSw]
as C to Perl to Python to Lisp to Arc
04:47:29 [AaronSw]
Oh, I should throw in Common Lisp and Scheme
04:48:46 [AaronSw]
I have always eagerly awaited the day of computer measurements in zetta- or yotta-.
04:54:46 [AaronSw]
nails in the worse-is-better coffin: http://reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.shtml
04:54:48 [AaronSw]
@ http://reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.shtml
04:55:21 [chumpy]
D: http://reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.shtml from AaronSw
04:55:29 [AaronSw]
D:|Typing Errors
04:55:39 [AaronSw]
D::Nails in the first-mover-advantage and worse-is-better coffin.
04:55:45 [chumpy]
titled item D
04:56:02 [chumpy]
commented item D
04:58:34 [syn|ack]
cya from home guys
04:58:44 [AaronSw]
c'ya
04:58:56 [AaronSw]
Heh. BBC: "Many people think of hacking as a sedentary pursuit, carried out in bedrooms and back rooms all over the world. Often it is, but the growing popularity of wireless networks is making some curious folk leave their bedrooms and venture out into the fresh air."
04:59:10 [AaronSw]
Wireless networks: giving hackers a reason to go outside
04:59:40 [AaronSw]
they mean crackers, of course
04:59:43 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs.
04:59:52 [jillzilla]
The world is a beautiful place.
05:03:47 [AaronSw]
Ooh, the Colloquia are back up: http://aduni.org/colloquia/
05:04:08 [AaronSw]
heh! "What to do when the Teacher is an Ignoramus or a Liar: Learning from Queries even when the Answers to the Queries are Wrong"
05:15:13 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw starts downloading dynlang-wizards-10may01.mov and heads to sleep
05:15:15 [AaronSw]
Night.
05:16:41 [jillzilla]
night
06:08:23 [Ash]
JILLZILLA
06:09:23 [jillzilla]
ASH
06:10:34 [Ash]
How are you doing tonight?
06:12:30 [jillzilla]
augh.
06:12:37 [jillzilla]
I just worked for several hours on the wrong set of machines.
06:12:44 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla kills everyone.
06:16:05 [Ash]
No, don't kill me!
06:16:07 [Ash]
Please!
06:16:13 [Ash]
Kill google only (or tokyo)
06:16:45 [jillzilla]
ROWR!
06:16:51 [Ash]
I want to know why mozilla is SUCH A PIECE OF CRAP
06:16:55 [Ash]
it keeps lsoing my settings.
06:16:58 [Ash]
s/lsoing/losing/
06:18:23 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla stomps mozilla.
06:19:24 [Ash]
I'm going to buy a netware 6 administrator's guide tomorrow.
06:19:26 [Ash]
Rawr.
07:14:25 [syn|ack_]
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07:14:29 [syn|ack_]
hi folks
07:16:42 [jillzilla]
hey, synack.
07:17:16 [syn|ack_]
hiya jillzilla
07:18:02 [jillzilla]
how's things?
07:18:34 [syn|ack_]
great - just bought a new monitor - it's massive :)
07:18:43 [jillzilla]
looks good?
07:18:44 [syn|ack_]
and how about yourself?
07:19:02 [syn|ack_]
yes, was using a 15" now got a 19". Such a massive difference
07:19:28 [jillzilla]
Yes!
07:19:45 [jillzilla]
I'm doing the most unpleasant work I do. :-(
07:19:52 [jillzilla]
But it's only for a couple more days.
07:20:05 [syn|ack_]
which is that?
07:20:21 [jillzilla]
I have to sort through a lot of machines and determine which have developed bad hardware.
07:20:40 [jillzilla]
It can be automated, and I'm gradually automating it.
07:20:40 [syn|ack_]
ugg - that sounds tedious to say the least....
07:20:45 [jillzilla]
Yes.
07:22:32 [syn|ack_]
how do you automate for bad hardware?
07:23:11 [jillzilla]
I have ways of checking for it. I can automate the checking.
07:24:09 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ is intrigued by devious ways
07:24:14 [syn|ack_]
:)
07:24:17 [jillzilla]
hehehehe.
07:24:34 [jillzilla]
I run hdparm -t to check disk speed.
07:24:41 [jillzilla]
disks that are extremely slow are likely to be about to die.
07:24:51 [syn|ack_]
gotcha
07:26:06 [Ash]
HDPARM -T!!!
07:26:12 [Ash]
check for tree files
07:26:14 [Ash]
jill
07:27:17 [jillzilla]
I check for things in /var/log/messages that might indicate memory or cpu problems.
07:27:23 [jillzilla]
(e.g. Kernel Oops)
07:27:39 [jillzilla]
I reboot all of the machines and make sure they come back.
07:27:43 [jillzilla]
simple stuff, but tedious.
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13:21:20 [AaronSw]
wha?
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* loggy is logging
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13:27:53 [AaronSw]
oooh, new macs!
13:28:57 [AaronSw]
i wonder what the occasion is
13:29:53 [AaronSw]
*droool*
13:38:17 [AaronSw]
<zooko> Jill was telling you that *I* used to be an Ayn Randian? Heh.
13:42:05 [THX-1138]
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13:45:03 [AaronSw]
Oh, my movie is done downloading.
13:45:12 [AaronSw]
"We're so glad to have all these panelists here today." [panelists look *totally* bored]
13:46:35 [AaronSw]
I had classed Objectivism in the same mental category as Co$.
13:47:50 [AaronSw]
It's still there, though. ;)
13:48:42 [AaronSw]
Hm, Paul Graham looks younger than he sounds.
13:51:22 [AaronSw]
PG: "Just for once, language designers should try to design a language for people smarter than them!"
13:51:31 [AaronSw]
He's been workign on this for a while, it seems.
14:05:11 [Morbus]
* Morbus awakens.
14:13:51 [AaronSw]
Ooh, pringles can on the cover of the tribune biztech section
14:17:48 [AaronSw]
Maeden: "this 'a', he's sort of a tortured a, maybe he's an a but he's not really an a.
14:17:49 [AaronSw]
"
14:26:26 [AaronSw]
Maeda: "Programming is boring.... but think if it was easier, you'd have the Paperclip guy in codewarrior. 'I see you're making a compiler!'"
14:26:57 [Morbus]
bwahaha
14:27:08 [Morbus]
"i see you're making yet another templating system!"
14:31:42 [Morbus]
morning AaronSw. two things:
14:31:47 [AaronSw]
Gotta run
14:31:47 [Morbus]
a) heard anything two from p2pq?
14:31:52 [Morbus]
b) played with ZOE?
14:31:52 [AaronSw]
a: no
14:32:03 [AaronSw]
b: not really
14:32:06 [Morbus]
k.
14:32:09 [AaronSw]
anything two?
14:32:19 [AaronSw]
c'ya
14:32:40 [Morbus]
anything two?
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14:33:57 [Morbus]
Pawn?
14:34:01 [Morbus]
Rook!
14:34:32 [Pawn]
very true: Pawn to be promoted to Rook later
14:34:53 [Morbus]
an interesting choice. how has the endgame shaped up?
14:35:27 [Pawn]
looks better: now i'm in process of setting up debian linux
14:36:23 [Morbus]
mmhmm. who are you, btw? i've never seen you in here.
14:36:40 [Pawn]
i was in here with name Kham
14:36:52 [Pawn]
a few months ago
14:36:58 [Morbus]
ah.
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* testBijan is testing
15:05:32 [sbp]
* sbp waves
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lol @ <AaronSw> wha?
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15:12:24 [Morbus]
dum dum dum!
15:12:27 [Morbus]
mooOONnNkKKk!
15:12:56 [redmonk]
yo yo yo
15:13:06 [redmonk]
waddya think of the new tibook, morbie
15:13:17 [Morbus]
i want one.
15:13:20 [Morbus]
but don't need one.
15:13:22 [redmonk]
no shit
15:13:29 [redmonk]
1280x875
15:13:32 [redmonk]
yummy
15:13:38 [redmonk]
32 mb video ram
15:13:43 [redmonk]
* redmonk pants
15:13:55 [sbp]
calm down fellas
15:14:30 [redmonk]
* redmonk wipes chin
15:14:39 [Morbus]
* Morbus liccckKKs sbp.
15:15:00 [sbp]
how many times have I told you: not in public!!!
15:15:15 [Morbus]
* Morbus wets himself.
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* Morbus whimpers.
15:15:40 [sbp]
now as a punishment, you have to confine yourself to a 3' cube for a week
15:15:52 [Morbus]
do I get a tibook?
15:16:10 [sbp]
oh, and no tibooks for three months
15:16:17 [sbp]
thanks, almost forgot to tack that on
15:16:21 [Morbus]
good! i didn't have one in the firts place! muhah!
15:16:35 [Morbus]
i have a 75mhz laptop with 8megs of ram, a broken battery, and win95 with ns 3.0 on it.
15:16:37 [Morbus]
how's that? <G>
15:16:48 [sbp]
ooh, ooh, keep going like that mister and I'll make it five months
15:17:16 [sbp]
* sbp doesn't have a laptop at all
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16:20:20 [Morbus]
[[[
16:20:21 [Morbus]
[12:20] <Morbus> i'm popular with young girls.
16:20:21 [Morbus]
[12:20] <Morbus> oh wait. nevermind.
16:20:22 [Morbus]
]]]
16:21:19 [sbp]
s/i'm/my bathtoy is/
16:21:32 [sbp]
acutally, bath-toy-action-figure
16:21:38 [sbp]
sounds better
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16:49:05 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
16:49:31 [AaronSw]
why was my wha so funny?
16:51:03 [AaronSw]
Anyone wanna trade my TiBook for some cash to buy a new one?
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16:55:35 [sbp]
how much?
16:56:03 [AaronSw]
How much you willing to pay?
16:56:11 [AaronSw]
It's a little beaten up, I must warn you.
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16:58:47 [sbp]
heh, well my "laptop fund" is about $70, so I'm not going to get it :-) I thought you just might want to advertise the pirce in case someone else finds the logs
16:59:05 [AaronSw]
Well, that's the best offer I've heard so far. :)
16:59:18 [sbp]
heh, heh
16:59:24 [sbp]
anyway, Simpsons...
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Gotta run
16:59:28 [AaronSw]
c'ya
17:00:28 [bijan]
$71
17:01:16 [AaronSw]
Ooh, bijan takes the lead.
17:01:45 [AaronSw]
Hm, I should make a minimum bid increment.
17:02:20 [AaronSw]
Guy Steele: "Pretty printers are vastly underated... for data too"
17:03:51 [bijan]
Just read a paper about htat and CL.
17:03:54 [bijan]
Ricahrd Waters.
17:04:02 [AaronSw]
Guy: "Rule based systems are coming back... they dailed because they made the cover of Time or Newsweek... that's the kiss of death"
17:05:25 [AaronSw]
PaulG: "Designing software on the assumption that everyone will have your client is like designing political systems on the assumption that everyone will be nice to one another."
17:05:45 [davb]
AaronSw: where are you getting all this stuff from? :)
17:06:04 [AaronSw]
I'm watching a recorded copy of "masters of dynamic languages" at MIT.
17:06:53 [davb]
neat.
17:09:11 [AaronSw]
PaulG: "Design by comittee is bad .... because risk is proportional to reward. If you design something great you need to make shocking risks... comitees won't do that"
17:09:33 [AaronSw]
He suggests doing max(comitte-members) rather than avg(comittee-members)
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17:17:31 [AaronSw]
Maeda: "I see my kids learning keyboarding at school and i think 'oh boy, they'll get RSI like me!'"
17:20:25 [AaronSw]
PaulG: "I can't live without macros... i do crazy things like going door-to-door looking for companies that will let me use them, or starting a company myself"
17:36:48 [sbp]
* sbp waves
17:36:56 [AaronSw]
howyd
17:37:06 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw compiles MachoPython
17:48:41 [AaronSw]
PG: "Leonardo got paid the same amount as the people who made his frames."
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18:00:22 [AaronSw]
PG: "People who depend on JavaScript are always 85% done."
18:08:42 [AaronSw]
Ooh, MachoPython worked
18:18:39 [AaronSw]
Wow, Internet access is going to be available on Mars.
18:19:16 [AaronSw]
cite: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3271.txt
18:26:54 [AaronSw]
Here's a mystery. Why does http://web.archive.org/web/http://davenet.userland.com/1997/04/29/RetractionApology redirect to the Web Archive's copy of eurosluts.net.
18:27:18 [Morbus]
nice url.
18:27:22 [Morbus]
(the eurosluts one)
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18:31:20 [AaronSw]
D::Zooko says to be cautious about believing this piece...
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19:05:52 [sbp]
heh
19:09:15 [sbp]
.google link:http://web.archive.org/web/http://davenet.userland.com/1997/04/29/RetractionApology
19:09:15 [xena]
no results found.
19:09:43 [sbp]
that's funny - it doesn't redirect to eurosluts
19:10:17 [AaronSw]
guess they fixed it
19:10:46 [sbp]
you should have Web arch.... oh
19:10:52 [sbp]
s/.//
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19:15:27 [Morbus]
.imdb A Man Called Horse
19:15:28 [xena]
http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=A+Man+Called+Horse
19:19:48 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: <AaronSw> i'm against the slash in general. it's an evil harbinger of hierarchy
19:20:09 [redmonk]
AMCH was a great movie
19:20:15 [redmonk]
hoffman at his finest
19:22:31 [Morbus]
redmonk: had some thoughts on your OO exporter.
19:22:56 [redmonk]
oh ok
19:22:57 [Morbus]
you made mention of the first headed item being used for the template.
19:23:04 [redmonk]
uh huh
19:23:14 [Morbus]
is it easy to say "the headed item maked "OO_Export" or what have you?"
19:23:20 [Morbus]
phone
19:23:47 [redmonk]
well, i could loop through them i suppose
19:23:55 [redmonk]
looking for a particular heading
19:24:05 [redmonk]
i was considering using #directives
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so you'd have a heading called #template 1
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with the template for level 1 in the note field
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and so on
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19:25:24 [redmonk]
headings beginning with # would be ignored by the renderer itself
19:25:43 [redmonk]
but i have not had time to write it yet
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19:59:11 [sbp]
Now, where did I put my exispeciferous subnoctortoscropangularoid? Ah, there it is
19:59:51 [sbp]
the Swhack logs are actually pretty darn cool in places
20:00:10 [sbp]
.google "exispeciferous subnoctortoscropangularoid"
20:00:10 [xena]
"exispeciferous subnoctortoscropangularoid": http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-24.txt
20:04:08 [AaronSw]
so you've had the subnoctortoscropangularoid for a while, eh
20:04:35 [sbp]
well, it might be a new one. it's always difficult to tell with subnoctortoscropangularoids
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especially exispeciferous ones
20:05:16 [AaronSw]
you'd think if they were exispeciferous you'd remember better
20:05:42 [sbp]
yeah, well... that's the way the corn dog crumbles
20:06:03 [sbp]
it's weird reading the old logs - I want to reply with new stuff
20:06:27 [AaronSw]
that's swhack-nature for you
20:06:47 [AaronSw]
most dogs do not have the swhack-nature
20:07:02 [sbp]
does Lassie?
20:07:25 [deltab]
bring Lassie to #swhack and we'll see
20:11:05 [sbp]
walloper, does it have the swhack-nature? it #swhack membership a prerequisite for being able to deduce the swhack-naturedness of an entity?
20:13:11 [sbp]
I wonder how the EU would define the toroidalness of donuts?
20:13:18 [sbp]
toroidality?
20:13:43 [sbp]
toroidality
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20:26:20 [redmonk]
1 + 1 = 3, for large values of 1
20:26:46 [sbp]
1 + 1 = 3, where 1 is a variable whose value is 1.5
20:28:09 [sbp]
"1 + 1 = 3" - Mathematics for Accountants
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GR: haircuts
20:36:48 [sbp]
argh. hierarchies suck
20:37:06 [quasi]
hmmmm - haircuts ... is that like the thing that happens once or twice a year when your cap won't fit anymore?
20:55:28 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:58:04 [tomch]
bye..
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21:36:40 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla consumes caffeine.
21:36:44 [jillzilla]
consider yourselves warned.
21:37:58 [jillzilla]
One of my coworkers in 1998 once saw me making coffee and sent the following in email:
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Strategic Air Command, North American Air Defense,
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and Denver International Airport, please be advised
21:38:05 [jillzilla]
that Jill just made coffee. Jill should be
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achieving geosynchronous orbit over Boulder
21:38:05 [jillzilla]
in just a few minutes. Clear the runway.
21:38:05 [jillzilla]
Jill, you have permission to taxi. Have a
21:38:08 [jillzilla]
nice flight.
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.
21:38:25 [jillzilla]
.
21:38:30 [jillzilla]
and then, not long after:
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.
21:38:34 [jillzilla]
In a recent development, Jill just added
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sugar to her coffee. Notify the residents
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of the Metropolitan Denver/Boulder area to
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brace for sonic boom impact, as Jill achieves
21:38:34 [jillzilla]
super-sonic speeds.
21:38:36 [jillzilla]
.
21:38:59 [tomch]
:-) lovely
21:39:40 [quasi]
* quasi wonders if jillzilla was the model for a couple of the userfriendly strips ;)
21:39:55 [jillzilla]
Oh. I need to see those strips!
21:40:35 [quasi]
* quasi has the all printed out nicely at the office
21:40:45 [jillzilla]
are there dates on them?
21:40:45 [quasi]
+m
21:40:52 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla has no idea what time zone quasi is in.
21:40:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
21:41:00 [jillzilla]
AaronSw!
21:41:08 [quasi]
jillzilla: GMT+2
21:41:09 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla achieves orbit.
21:41:27 [AaronSw]
I've a new hairccut. I look like some sort of tv guy... let me upload the photo
21:41:29 [jillzilla]
quasi: aha, one of those european types, eh? So you're unlikely to be at the office now.
21:41:58 [quasi]
since this is my vacation - then no ;)
21:42:20 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla finds a party invitation she sent out in 1999.
21:42:28 [jillzilla]
quasi: Hmmm. where do you normally live?
21:44:25 [quasi]
jillzilla: .dk
21:44:30 [quasi]
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010628
21:44:40 [AaronSw]
here's the photo: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/misc/IMG_1407.JPG/view
21:44:55 [jillzilla]
quasi: I'm printing this. Now.
21:45:34 [jillzilla]
AaronSw: Stylin'! Love the lighting!
21:45:39 [AaronSw]
:-)
21:45:53 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla sends the 6:00 news to AaronSw's house.
21:46:11 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw giggles, informs family
21:46:35 [quasi]
jillzilla: there are loads more http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000911
21:53:40 [quasi]
ah yeah - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19981122 and about 4 days ahead from that
21:55:51 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla prints again.
21:55:59 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla heads for the copy machines.
21:57:15 [quasi]
* quasi is AFK - #include sleep.h
22:00:39 [sbp]
* sbp waves
22:01:02 [sbp]
lol @ the SAC email
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22:01:09 [jillzilla]
hee.
22:01:23 [jillzilla]
I really miss working with that coworker. It's always good to work with someone as crazy as I am.
22:02:15 [sbp]
just clone yourself
22:02:27 [sbp]
"you're never alone with a clone"
22:03:26 [sbp]
ah, Aaron's had his haircut. he looks less like Aaron Korzakowski now
22:03:35 [AaronSw]
Thanks.
22:04:33 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla experiences peer pressure.
22:04:36 [jillzilla]
Must...cut...hair.
22:04:36 [AaronSw]
Hm. I am worried that I will be crazy when I am at Google, which Jill wouldn't mind but might make me a more attractive food target.
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22:04:46 [sbp]
oh, that wasn't a compliment
22:05:02 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I hate it too.
22:05:10 [sbp]
heh, no it's alright
22:05:13 [jillzilla]
AaronSw: You mean there is a chance you might not be crazy when you're at Google?
22:05:50 [AaronSw]
I am generally not crazy when I'm with people I don't know. Especially when they are important and powerful people.
22:06:07 [sbp]
ah, you'll be crazy with Jill around then
22:06:11 [jillzilla]
"important and powerful"? hahahahahahaha.
22:06:23 [tomch]
:-)
22:06:37 [sbp]
<span xml:lang="ln">touché</span>
22:07:02 [AaronSw]
<googleGuy> We have ways of making you talk...
22:07:02 [AaronSw]
<aaron> no, i'll never tell you!
22:07:02 [AaronSw]
<googleGuy> ok, we'll just subtract one from your pagerank
22:07:02 [AaronSw]
<aaron> aaargh!
22:07:12 [sbp]
lol
22:07:49 [sbp]
heh... insulting Google staff is so not a good idea
22:08:08 [AaronSw]
the future of swhack: http://www.planetquake.com/frags/hAx0r.html
22:09:19 [sbp]
the way that IRC is going, all channels will be like that in three months
22:09:38 [jillzilla]
sbp: End of irc imminent! Film at 11!
22:10:34 [sbp]
heh, heh
22:12:22 [tomch]
heh :-)
22:13:09 [AaronSw]
hahah: 'For more info, call <a href="tel:+15554383785965">1-555-IETF-RULZ-OK</a>.'
22:13:14 [AaronSw]
- http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-antti-rfc2806bis-02.txt
22:13:24 [sbp]
heh, heh
22:13:50 [jillzilla]
sbp: You watch South Park? That sounded SPesque.
22:14:12 [sbp]
"heh, heh" sounded SPesque?
22:14:22 [jillzilla]
no, 'authoritaaa'.
22:14:25 [sbp]
?
22:14:30 [tomch]
just a little..
22:15:41 [AaronSw]
ooh, pictures: http://www.w3.org/2002/03/civilization/
22:16:19 [sbp]
I wonder how he made those?
22:16:47 [AaronSw]
they look like svged rdf
22:17:04 [sbp]
Hmm... must be a good program
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hello, Pawn.
22:17:48 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla wanders off.
22:18:09 [Pawn]
hello jill
22:18:21 [sbp]
* sbp waves goodbye to Jill and hello to Kham
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("hello hello... I don't know why you say good bye, I say hello")
22:18:57 [Pawn]
* Pawn waves to sbp
22:19:41 [Pawn]
it is wonderful to be a teacher
22:19:51 [sbp]
erm...
22:20:23 [AaronSw]
Geoff Lane: "The only way to convince some people that HTML is about content, not style is with a 2x4 <PLANK>."
22:26:58 [AaronSw]
ooh, filsa likes 6171talk
22:29:15 [sbp]
cool
22:33:33 [sbp]
* DanCon runs away screaming...
22:33:43 [sbp]
into a wall, d'y'think?
22:33:45 [AaronSw]
in response to: <bijan> What? No Ada for conformance adherence for cross-industry subsidy backchecked submission regulation?
22:38:28 [sbp]
Aaron, get "Gershwin playing Gershwin: RIB" if you can
22:38:56 [AaronSw]
will do
22:39:12 [AaronSw]
rib = rhapsody in blue?
22:39:22 [sbp]
yep
22:39:39 [AaronSw]
can't find it on AG...
22:39:51 [sbp]
really?
22:40:31 [tomch]
AG?
22:40:37 [jillzilla]
audiogalaxy?
22:40:43 [tomch]
ahh
22:40:44 [jillzilla]
Oh, bugger. Anyone know basic statistics?
22:40:55 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla knew she should have taken that class.
22:40:55 [sbp]
what's your problem?
22:41:14 [tomch]
I always hated stats...
22:41:18 [jillzilla]
I have three or four numbers that will be returned.
22:41:18 [AaronSw]
I know some statistics...
22:41:22 [sbp]
me too. I did it for a year
22:41:32 [jillzilla]
...hmmm...this actually might not be a stats problem. But I'll describe it anyway.
22:41:50 [jillzilla]
I have some data gathering that will gatehr 2-4 data points per object.
22:42:05 [jillzilla]
What I want to know is if any of the points are serious outliers.
22:42:18 [sbp]
Hmm... so you want the standard deviations
22:42:18 [jillzilla]
And I'm not sure exactly how to do that mathematically.
22:42:24 [sbp]
s/ations/ation/
22:42:29 [jillzilla]
Aha. How do I calculate SD?
22:42:38 [sbp]
.google "Standard Deviation"
22:42:39 [xena]
"Standard Deviation": http://nilesonline.com/stats/stdev.shtml
22:42:57 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla looks very embarrassed and slinks away.
22:42:58 [AaronSw]
google finds http://www.graphpad.com/Calculators/GrubbsExplain.cfm
22:43:35 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw remembers having to calculate the outliers in 7th grade... by hand!
22:43:46 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla grumbles about the first page:
22:43:56 [jillzilla]
"So don't try to go figuring out a standard deviation if you just learned about it on this page. Just be satisified that you've now got a grasp on the basic concept.
22:43:56 [jillzilla]
"
22:43:56 [deltab]
square root of square of deviations from the mean, according to wordnet
22:44:10 [jillzilla]
I already HAD the basic concept. I want to know how to CALCULATE it.
22:44:14 [deltab]
heh
22:44:55 [sbp]
this is quite good, has an example: http://learn.chem.vt.edu/tutorials/error/stddev.html
22:45:33 [AaronSw]
python code: http://www.python.org/topics/scicomp/recipes_in_python.html
22:47:21 [jillzilla]
Oooh. Both of those last two are very good.
22:47:22 [deltab]
grr, uses the obsolete <xmp> element
22:47:45 [deltab]
my browser doesn't even recognise xmp
22:48:30 [AaronSw]
What's xmp for? example?
22:49:09 [sbp]
it's like <pre>
22:49:12 [deltab]
yes
22:49:20 [sbp]
except it turns off SGML processing entirely
22:49:22 [sbp]
ugh
22:57:41 [tomch]
I think -- no, I *will* -- have a shower!
22:57:59 [sbp]
yeah... quick, before you turn into a pumpkin!
22:58:20 [tomch]
heh usually I come out of showers slightly smaller
22:58:39 [tomch]
as the layers wash off...
22:59:00 [sbp]
er... O.K.
22:59:23 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla pictures tomch as Pigpen from Peanuts.
22:59:24 [tomch]
of dirt
22:59:28 [sbp]
* sbp smells alcohol in the air
22:59:36 [tomch]
heh
22:59:47 [sbp]
* sbp ^5's Jill
22:59:59 [tomch]
:-) 'night all
23:00:05 [jillzilla]
:)
23:00:06 [sbp]
that reminds me, I have a few days of comics to catch up on
23:00:08 [sbp]
c'ya Tom
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23:03:06 [sbp]
bye then
23:03:26 [sbp]
heh, I almost always get logster
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we must be on the same wavelength (well... the same server)
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23:06:53 [walloper]
<misato> hey everyone... were doing some rehubbing to fix some problems... we'll be back with you in a moment
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23:11:03 [sbp]
this iss good; Aaron, you might wanna use it for subversion: http://www.snoopy.com/comics/peanuts/archive/peanuts-20020429.html
23:11:10 [AaronSw]
this looks better
23:11:12 [AaronSw]
what server are you on, sbp?
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23:11:26 [sbp]
heh, there's some great #openprojects stuff
23:11:31 [sbp]
s/stuff/traffic/
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23:11:46 [sbp]
I'm on carter.openprojects.net
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23:12:48 [AaronSw]
like lilo sux0rz?
23:13:02 [AaronSw]
ah me too now
23:13:12 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waits for his connection to catch up
23:13:14 [AaronSw]
switch to carter, you guys
23:13:20 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is on carter.
23:13:28 [jillzilla]
All the cool people are on carter!
23:13:36 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla applies peer pressure.
23:13:41 [sbp]
example traffic:-
23:13:41 [sbp]
A: i just realised what a *bad* choice coming to #openprojects during netsplit happy hour is.
23:13:41 [sbp]
B: oh its sort of enjoyable, I think
23:13:41 [sbp]
A: in a "/set log off" or your hd will fill up within seconds kinda way, i guess.
23:13:58 [sbp]
ah, come on people!
23:14:02 [sbp]
follow the sbp trend!
23:14:12 [sbp]
jill commands you!
23:14:20 [jillzilla]
I was on carter when you were in short trousers, sbp!
23:14:24 [jillzilla]
:-)
23:14:34 [AaronSw]
you guys being deltab and ASH
23:14:37 [sbp]
ew, short trousers
23:14:51 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is comforted by sbp's long trousers.
23:14:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw increases peer pressure
23:15:00 [AaronSw]
Heh, they're down to two main servers, i guess: zahn and carter
23:15:24 [AaronSw]
dig agrees with the trent
23:15:39 [sbp]
* sbp is quite comforted by his long trousers too. better than shorts and fishne... I've said too much
23:15:48 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla covers her mouth.
23:16:06 [sbp]
* sbp is just filled to the brim with girlish glee today
23:16:16 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla sends sbp a nice pair of red pumps.
23:16:18 [AaronSw]
ooh, IPv6 IRC! *** BR (jamesr@3ffe:2640:100f:0:0:0:0:19) has joined the channel
23:16:27 [jillzilla]
rowr!
23:17:17 [sbp]
like those that Kim Basinger (it's "Basinger") wore in L.A. Confidential?
23:17:34 [jillzilla]
Oooh, probably. I can't remember the film very well, but that would be the kind of pumps.
23:18:25 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla brushes sbp's hair.
23:18:44 [jillzilla]
jillzilla has changed the topic to: Today #swhack is a "My Little Pony" zone.
23:18:45 [sbp]
heh, heh. as long as you stop short of applying make-up
23:19:26 [jillzilla]
It's funny. I was never girly when I was a girl.
23:19:51 [jillzilla]
I seem to be coming into a bit of girliness at an advanced age.
23:19:58 [jillzilla]
Naturally, I was inspired by the Power Puff Girls.
23:20:07 [sbp]
heh, well, better late than never
23:21:01 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla wants Morbus to come in so she can put mascara on him.
23:21:10 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla braids sbp's hair.
23:21:25 [walloper]
<jeremy> Sorry about that. Seems that one of our hubs had a routing glitch, but it seems to have mostly straightened itself out now. We'll probably do some rehubbing in the early morning OPN time, but will stay with this for the time being
23:21:25 [sbp]
* sbp resists the urge to "*chuckle*"
23:22:11 [walloper]
<jeremy> And thanks for listening to WOPN, your source for OPN news, weather, and traffic information. If you'd like to turn off these announcements, type '/mode nick -w'
23:22:11 [sbp]
* sbp starts singing "I'm a lumberjack and I'm O.K., I sleep all night and I work all day..."
23:22:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw starts a everyone-move-to-carter campaign
23:22:31 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla wonders when sbp does sleep...
23:22:48 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla decides that AaronSw has cooties.
23:23:06 [sbp]
Homer: Flanders has cooties, Flanders has cooties!
23:24:12 [jillzilla]
do you like python, sbp?
23:24:32 [sbp]
if it were a girl, I'd have proposed
23:24:43 [jillzilla]
:-) And Ruby?
23:24:52 [sbp]
ruby is just Python with fi
23:25:41 [sbp]
at least Python's name has a cooler etymology
23:25:48 [jillzilla]
hehehe
23:25:54 [sbp]
(I don't know what Ruby's etymology is, but it can't be cooler than Python's)
23:26:01 [jillzilla]
it's in the ruby faq.
23:26:16 [jillzilla]
(which I haven't actually read)
23:26:19 [sbp]
.google Ruby FAQ
23:26:19 [xena]
Ruby FAQ: http://www.rubycentral.com/faq
23:26:24 [AaronSw]
"Influenced by Perl, Matz wanted to use a jewel name for his new language, so he named Ruby after a colleague's birthstone."
23:26:39 [AaronSw]
"Later, he realized that Ruby comes right after Perl in several situations. In birthstones, pearl is June, ruby is July. When measuring font sizes, pearl is 5pt, ruby is 5.5pt. He thought Ruby was a good name for a programming language newer (and hopefully better) than Perl."
23:26:52 [jillzilla]
Awww, that's very fitting with the feminine theme of today's #swhack.
23:27:11 [sbp]
heh. let's rename #swhack "#lucy" or something
23:27:22 [jillzilla]
yaay!
23:31:37 [AaronSw]
.dns 66.140.25.157
23:31:38 [xena]
66.140.25.157 - proxyscan.openprojects.net
23:31:46 [sbp]
Hmm.. I just noticed that #swhack is a predominantly male channel (AFAIK)
23:32:42 [AaronSw]
counting bots?
23:32:58 [AaronSw]
I think OPN is predominantly male.
23:33:15 [sbp]
can xena count? I think bots are asexual
23:33:45 [sbp]
well, you can never be sure though, can you?
23:33:52 [AaronSw]
true.
23:33:54 [sbp]
which is a cool thing with IRC
23:34:05 [AaronSw]
Heh, OPN reserves the right to ban servers running IIS.
23:44:10 [AaronSw]
on the new eMac: "I'm already tired of explaining to enquiring non-nerds that my nerd-friends are Emacs developers, not iMac's developers."
23:44:26 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:44:42 [sbp]
yeah, doesn't the eMac just make things a bit confusing
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23:45:57 [AaronSw]
Neat, they use Frutiger for the eMac name
23:46:01 [AaronSw]
raph will like that
23:46:09 [sbp]
and then there's the Immac...
23:46:13 [AaronSw]
Oops, it's Myriad, not Frutiger
23:47:35 [sbp]
there should be a sticker on the bottom of the iMac: "Warning! DO NOT attempt to shave your legs with this."
23:48:50 [AaronSw]
lol: "In related news, Richard Stallman has insisted that Apple rename its OS X operating system to GNU/OS X. Stallman also called for Apple's renaming of its new eMac computers for education to GNU/eMacs, so as to distinguish it from clones such as X/eMacs."
23:49:24 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:50:45 [AaronSw]
neat: http://www.apple.com/education/hed/macsinaction/sheffield/
23:52:00 [sbp]
"and skipping over the ocean like a stone"
23:52:04 [sbp]
yep, sure is
23:52:12 [AaronSw]
I'm off to grab some dinner. laters.
23:52:15 [sbp]
c'ya
23:52:20 [sbp]
have fun eating stuff
23:57:37 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is intrigued that sbp only just noticed that #swhack is almost entirely male.