IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-11

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00:00:51 [Morbus]

whoo hoo

00:00:57 [Morbus]

just added my date based subdirectory

00:01:42 [redmonk]

?

00:02:23 [Morbus]

redmonk, look in the logs for "leacharoo"

00:02:34 [sbp]

ooh, email from Gudge

00:02:38 [redmonk]

hey "morbius" - you ever gonna finish amphetadesk?

00:02:42 [sbp]

just www-archive stuff, but still, intresting

00:02:51 [redmonk]

(amphetadesk is morbus' Morbius Strip)

00:03:07 [Morbus]

hey, this is a knockoff project that I don't have to think about.

00:03:12 [Morbus]

i'm unwinding, leave me be

00:03:14 [Morbus]

bitch

00:03:18 [redmonk]

(a neverending journey...)

00:03:23 [redmonk]

hahaha

00:03:27 [redmonk]

sorry

00:03:30 [redmonk]

;-)

00:03:36 [sbp]

I think you mean "Moebius"

00:03:59 [redmonk]

yes, i'm an ass - besides - it played off his name better this way

00:04:06 [sbp]

true

00:04:15 [sbp]

er... about the name thing

00:04:23 [sbp]

I don't necessarily think that you're an ass

00:04:24 [redmonk]

heh

00:05:27 [redmonk]

i think morbus does by now though :-)

00:05:37 [Morbus]

heh.

00:14:50 [Morbus]

redmonk, you download attachments at all?

00:14:58 [Morbus]

i need a second pair of eyes on this script.

00:15:55 [redmonk]

ok

00:16:01 [redmonk]

no promises

00:16:06 [redmonk]

my perl is way rusty

00:16:21 [redmonk]

steve at redmonk dot net

00:17:32 [Morbus]

sent

00:20:00 [redmonk]

what am i looking for?

00:21:33 [Morbus]

* Morbus shrugs.

00:21:42 [Morbus]

anything you think needs improving, any logic errors, etc.

00:22:15 [Morbus]

brb

00:22:17 [Morbus]

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00:22:21 [redmonk]

can it wait til later? i need to do paid work for now...

00:24:53 [Morbus]

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00:25:19 [sbp]

any logic errors? heh

00:25:23 [sbp]

get Aaron to review it

00:26:07 [redmonk]

lol

00:26:22 [redmonk]

this is pretty easy-to-read code, but it's still perl

00:26:35 [redmonk]

not sure Aaron *wants* to look at it ;-)

00:27:05 [Morbus]

that's what i was thinking ;)

00:27:29 [redmonk]

morbus: can it wait til later? i need to do paid work for now...

00:27:37 [Morbus]

sure

00:27:39 [redmonk]

ok

00:27:46 [redmonk]

will get back to you tomorrow

00:28:01 [redmonk]

looks like parser.pm is not standard on os x

00:28:10 [Morbus]

not standard anywhere.

00:28:14 [redmonk]

ah

00:29:05 [redmonk]

is there anyway to have perl tell you what a script depends on?

00:29:19 [Morbus]

not without extra coding.

00:29:28 [Morbus]

i know how but haven't added it to my normal library

00:29:33 [redmonk]

ah

00:31:33 [redmonk]

heh - "grep '^use' script.pl"

00:32:25 [redmonk]

one day i'll have to write a quickie script to grep a perl script and go to cpan for the required modules ;-)

00:34:16 [Morbus]

perl -MCPAN -eshell

00:34:21 [Morbus]

install Module::Name

00:34:22 [Morbus]

:)

00:34:27 [Morbus]

two lines! <G>

00:35:32 [redmonk]

yeah but you have to grep the modules from the script first

00:35:36 [redmonk]

so it's more like 4

00:35:38 [redmonk]

;-)

00:36:21 [Morbus]

bah ;)

00:37:27 [redmonk]

perl make-my-system-capable-of-running-this-script.pl -otherScript.pl

00:37:40 [redmonk]

or better yet

00:37:55 [redmonk]

perl make-my-system-capable-of-running.pl -thisScript.pl

00:37:57 [redmonk]

hehe

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00:48:51 [sbp]

* sbp creates an n3s script

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00:55:06 [AaronSw]

n3s?

01:02:30 [wmf]

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01:02:40 [wmf]

heh, nice topic

01:02:41 [AaronSw]

wmf!

01:03:14 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks for macosx-compatible personalized internet radio (i wish imagine.radio was still around)

01:03:18 [wmf]

looks like Rael twisted my arm into going to ETCon

01:03:28 [AaronSw]

Oh?

01:03:40 [AaronSw]

what'd he threaten...er offer

01:03:55 [wmf]

he sent me a, uh, birthday present

01:05:00 [AaronSw]

plane tickets?

01:05:02 [AaronSw]

a time bomb?

01:05:04 [wmf]

no

01:05:19 [AaronSw]

death threat?

01:05:47 [wmf]

come on, we're talking about Rael

01:06:20 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw rubs chin

01:06:22 [AaronSw]

free books?

01:11:05 [wmf]

AaronSw: are you doing the no /. thing?

01:11:17 [AaronSw]

I never read slashdot...

01:11:32 [wmf]

you're missing some good slashvertisements

01:11:50 [AaronSw]

even when i do read it, i turn ads off

01:11:59 [wmf]

that's not a slashvertisement

01:12:15 [AaronSw]

oh?

01:12:22 [wmf]

slashvertisements are articles that are really ads

01:12:41 [AaronSw]

oh, right

01:12:58 [wmf]

it was an april fool's joke, but every day since then has been an article that looked like a blatant product plug

01:13:14 [walloper]

<lilo> Hi all. Apparently MysticOne's cat just KLINEd rogers

01:13:25 [walloper]

<lilo> looks as if it's been resolved

01:13:47 [wmf]

geez, how many copies of this wallops do I need to see?

01:14:02 [AaronSw]

it's not my fault bitchx turns them on by default

01:14:23 [walloper]

<lilo> On the other hand, we now know that xchat is remarkably easy to use.

01:14:27 [wmf]

it's not my fauls your logger repeats them :-)

01:14:39 [wmf]

er, walloper

01:15:02 [AaronSw]

is the ad the zapstation one?

01:15:09 [walloper]

<lilo> This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode <yournick> -w'. Thanks.

01:15:13 [wmf]

today, yes

01:15:21 [wmf]

hehe: "All loyal Linux users should know that we all need to stop helping each other, for the sake of the company's survival.

01:16:18 [AaronSw]

what's the slashvertisement you want me to see?

01:16:32 [wmf]

the zapstation one

01:17:01 [AaronSw]

so he sent you a zapstation?

01:17:07 [wmf]

no, All loyal Linux users should know that we all need to stop helping each other, for the sake of the company's survival.

01:17:12 [wmf]

oops

01:17:27 [wmf]

no, slashvertisements have nothing to do with Rael

01:18:42 [walloper]

<lilo> Anyway, apologies for the problem. If you're reading this and someone on Rogers Cable is wondering what happened, please pass on the story with our apologies. Thanks.

01:38:14 [Morbus]

wait a minute.

01:38:16 [Morbus]

hey, redmonk?!

01:38:18 [Morbus]

you around/

01:55:07 [sbp]

* sbp sends off n3s

01:55:35 [sbp]

[[[

01:55:35 [sbp]

Second Writer: Splunge.

01:55:35 [sbp]

Larry: Did he say splunge?

01:55:36 [sbp]

First and Third Writers: Yes.

01:55:36 [sbp]

Larry: What does splunge mean?

01:55:36 [sbp]

Second Writer: It means ... it's a great-idea-but-possibly-not-and-I'm-not-being-indecisive!

01:55:39 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.montypython.net/scripts/20thvole.php

01:56:42 [sbp]

ta da: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Apr/att-0021/01-n3s

01:57:22 [sbp]

oops, the doc prefix is wrong

01:59:10 [sbp]

Gotta run

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02:16:29 [jeremiah]

hey

02:16:36 [jeremiah]

going to New Jersey for a memorial service

02:16:47 [jeremiah]

back sometime sunday night

02:16:53 [AaronSw]

oh. my condolences

02:16:58 [jeremiah]

thanks

02:17:23 [jeremiah]

it was a while ago actually, but they delayed the memorial service for a month

02:17:30 [jeremiah]

donated his body to science (grandfather)

02:21:35 [AaronSw]

sheesh. what browsers does launch.yahoo.com run on? i've tried four already...

02:29:38 [AaronSw]

it appears splunge is an n3 preprocessor

02:31:09 [jeremiah]

heh

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03:53:08 [jillzilla]

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03:53:16 [jillzilla]

Hey

03:53:34 [jillzilla]

small group here at the moment...

03:53:50 [wmf]

hey jillzilla

03:53:59 [AaronSw]

jillzilla!

03:54:07 [AaronSw]

so now you must reveal who it was that sent you here.

03:54:31 [jillzilla]

What?

03:54:36 [jillzilla]

What do you mean, who sent me here?

03:54:49 [wmf]

* wmf shines the light at jillzilla

03:54:49 [jillzilla]

I said /join #swhack.

03:54:49 [wmf]

who told you about this channel?

03:54:52 [AaronSw]

You said before you left that someone invited you here.

03:55:00 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla tries to close her eyes....aaaaaaah, I'll talk...

03:55:02 [AaronSw]

We have ways of getting this information.

03:55:12 [jillzilla]

someone invited me here...

03:55:16 [jillzilla]

Hmmm...

03:55:21 [jillzilla]

I know how to find out.

03:55:29 [wmf]

we need names, numbers, dates

03:55:31 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla searches

03:55:49 [jillzilla]

names: Joseph, Katrina, Xiaoping.

03:56:04 [jillzilla]

numbers: 3, pi, -89.87, square root of seven.

03:56:11 [jillzilla]

dates: today, yesterday, next year.

03:56:16 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla feels satisfied.

03:56:22 [AaronSw]

who was it that invited you?

03:56:33 [jillzilla]

searching...

03:56:40 [wmf]

all right, if you want to play games, we can play games

03:57:00 [wmf]

AaronSw: bring in the neural-google-bot!

03:57:17 [wmf]

* wmf holds on to jillzilla's head

03:57:20 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw pulls neural-google-bot down from ceiling

03:57:28 [AaronSw]

1, 2, 3, attach!

03:57:29 [jillzilla]

AIIIEEEEEE!

03:57:31 [AaronSw]

index!

03:57:36 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla regrets joining #swhack!

03:57:39 [wmf]

* wmf looks away

03:57:54 [AaronSw]

* neurogoogle makes indexing sounds

03:58:30 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla 's eyes spin.

03:58:35 [AaronSw]

do you have an answer now, jill?

03:58:40 [jillzilla]

I'm still searching.

03:58:57 [jillzilla]

Oh, wait. Maybe I was at home.

03:59:05 [jillzilla]

And that computer is powered off, so I can't ask it.

03:59:11 [jillzilla]

No, I was at work!

04:00:08 [jillzilla]

15:38:11 <AaronSw`> so what brings you here, jill?

04:00:09 [jillzilla]

15:38:21 <AaronSw`> or AaronSw

04:00:09 [jillzilla]

15:38:31 --- You are now known as jillzilla

04:00:09 [jillzilla]

15:38:34 <jillzilla> I was asked.

04:00:22 [AaronSw]

but by whom?

04:00:45 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw cues dramatic music

04:01:42 [jillzilla]

I can't find the evidence.

04:02:08 [jillzilla]

I thought it was either tav or Morbus, but I can't find a log of either of them saying something like that.

04:02:15 [wmf]

turn on the r00tk1t option!

04:02:17 [AaronSw]

ha! I knew it was tav!

04:02:25 [jillzilla]

I think it was Morbus.

04:02:32 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw sends out the probe droids to search for tav

04:02:36 [jillzilla]

Or GabeW. No, because he was surprised when I turned up.

04:02:51 [AaronSw]

No, you can't lead us off the trail now!

04:03:15 [AaronSw]

* probeDroids go bzzt, bzzt and bang into walls

04:03:32 [wmf]

this IRC log is too big to blog; I'm not sure what to do with it

04:03:38 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla searches with the aid of vi.

04:03:56 [jillzilla]

What else is there to do in the world other than blog?

04:04:22 [wmf]

I've heard some people use sex as a substitute for blogging

04:04:27 [jillzilla]

I know it was AaronSw who first told me about #swhack.

04:04:31 [jillzilla]

wmf: that's sick, dude.

04:04:48 [jillzilla]

and Aaron and Gabe and tav and Morbus have all encouraged me to come here.

04:04:51 [wmf]

gotta amuse yourself somehow

04:04:55 [jillzilla]

Well, tav and Morbus.

04:04:57 [GabeW]

i see my name

04:05:02 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla hides.

04:05:05 [GabeW]

i didn't do it

04:05:23 [GabeW]

* GabeW needs to stumble off

04:05:32 [jillzilla]

stagger on, gabe!

04:05:37 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla plays a bugle.

04:05:44 [GabeW]

* GabeW is innocent, he swears

04:05:47 [wmf]

hey, what is Jeff Bezos doing in my discussion group?

04:06:16 [GabeW]

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04:06:32 [AaronSw]

it was Dave!

04:06:43 [AaronSw]

he typed "noMorePesosForSenorBezos" and all the sudden bezos showed up

04:08:01 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla looks for a laptop harddrive.

04:08:36 [jillzilla]

Anyone know what's a good price per megabyte for such things?

04:09:04 [wmf]

lol! "the railgun of clue implantation" (from flutterby)

04:09:17 [wmf]

pricewatch can probably tell you

04:09:34 [jillzilla]

oh, cool.

04:13:58 [wmf]

@ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/04/08/DD133142.DTL

04:14:16 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla orders a new battery and hard drive for a laptop.

04:14:32 [chumpster]

A: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/04/08/DD133142.DTL from wmf

04:14:32 [wmf]

no chump in here either?

04:14:37 [wmf]

oh, there it is

04:14:53 [AaronSw]

A:|High-end 'Panic Room' hideouts becoming more common

04:15:13 [wmf]

A::I had no idea this stuff existed

04:15:16 [chumpster]

titled item A

04:15:23 [AaronSw]

A::[This|http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object.cgi?object=/chronicle/pictures/2002/04/08/dd_panic.jpg&paper=chronicle&file=DD133142.DTL&directory=/c/a/2002/04/08&type=entertainment] is the kind of thing that shoults *Texas!*

04:15:35 [chumpster]

commented item A

04:15:52 [chumpster]

commented item A

04:15:53 [wmf]

A::nah, in Texas we have shotguns prominently mounted on the mantle

04:16:11 [chumpster]

commented item A

04:16:17 [AaronSw]

woo, i got my tickets

04:16:25 [jillzilla]

tickets?

04:16:31 [AaronSw]

To Boston

04:16:31 [jillzilla]

.seen tav

04:16:32 [xena]

tav seen in #infoAnarchy saying: [ ok, so how do uritriples differ from rdf? ] ~ 14 hr(s) 59 min(s) 27 sec(s) ago

04:17:08 [wmf]

AaronSw is a famous traveling speaker

04:17:27 [jillzilla]

He doesn't sell snake oil, does he?

04:17:33 [jillzilla]

What are you speaking about, Aaron?

04:17:40 [AaronSw]

REST and the Semantic Web

04:17:49 [jillzilla]

.acronym REST

04:17:50 [xena]

REST: Real-time Embedded Systems Testbed, Restart

04:17:53 [jillzilla]

Aha.

04:22:13 [AaronSw]

Actually in this instance it's REpresentational State Transfer

04:22:17 [AaronSw]

i.e. HTTP

04:22:28 [jillzilla]

Aha.

04:24:25 [AaronSw]

Hm, trip from the airport back will be tight.

04:24:57 [AaronSw]

from the airport to MIT that is

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05:16:17 [AaronSw]

.acronym PERL

05:16:18 [xena]

PERL: Practical Extraction and Reporting Language, Pacific Estuarine Research Laboratory, Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister :-), Pre-positioned Equipment Requirement List, Principal Exchange Rate Linked (securities), Production Engineering Research Laboratory, Pupils Equal and Reactive to Light

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10:34:13 [sbp]

well, I think it was Morbus who invited jilljillz

10:35:10 [sbp]

Hmph, mnot stole my analogy!

10:35:15 [sbp]

and I stole it from Seth, of course

10:35:25 [sbp]

[[[

10:35:25 [sbp]

When you see a car, you're perceiving light bouncing off it; however,

10:35:26 [sbp]

when you say "that car," you mean the car, not the light.

10:35:27 [sbp]

]]]

10:37:18 [sbp]

ugh, half the problem is people not doing enough research beforehand

10:37:19 [sbp]

[[[

10:37:20 [sbp]

http GET gives you some bits. Bits are not printers or people or cars,

10:37:20 [sbp]

but they provide information about such resources. If you use the http URL

10:37:20 [sbp]

to refer to the resource, how do you use to refer to the bits?

10:37:27 [sbp]

]]] - Nick Matsakis

10:37:56 [sbp]

perhaps I should just filter out any messages that have the term "URL" in them :-)

10:39:29 [sbp]

I think that Miles may be onto something

10:41:05 [sbp]

heh: http://www.rutgers.edu/~sgro/HTML_Documents/pipe.html

10:48:14 [sbp]

ugh http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/B891F4F4.20BF5%me@aaronsw.com

10:48:44 [sbp]

Python to the rescue

10:48:45 [sbp]

>>> import urllib; urllib.quote('%')

10:48:45 [sbp]

'%25'

10:48:45 [sbp]

>>>

11:27:13 [sbp]

* sbp sends another Documents, Cars, Hills, Valleys rant

11:47:24 [sbp]

oops, didn't put a Carroll quote in it

11:47:35 [sbp]

then again, I dont' want to turn out like Aaron

11:48:57 [sbp]

"Aaron Swartz: every message a Carroll quote"

11:49:06 [sbp]

actually, that's probably the way it should b

12:01:21 [sbp]

.http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/

12:01:23 [xena]

Message-Id redirection service Message-Id redirection Service Please enter a message-Id. Webmaster

12:01:30 [sbp]

Hmm... but no form

12:07:06 [sbp]

n3s formats quite well:-

12:07:07 [sbp]

[[[

12:07:07 [sbp]

$ u n3s { :x :y :z } log:implies { :Blargh :name "Blargh"\; a rdfs:Class } . :Sean :name "Sean" . { \?x \?y \?z } =\> { \?z \?y \?x } .

12:07:07 [sbp]

@prefix : <#> .

12:07:07 [sbp]

@prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .

12:07:08 [sbp]

@prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

12:07:10 [sbp]

this log:forAll :x, :y, :z, :z, :y, :x .

12:07:12 [sbp]

{ :x :y :z } log:implies { :Blargh :name Blargh;

12:07:14 [sbp]

a rdfs:Class } .

12:07:16 [sbp]

:Sean :name Sean .

12:07:18 [sbp]

{ :x :y :z } log:implies { :z :y :x } .

12:07:20 [sbp]

]]]

12:08:04 [sbp]

of course, I could tokenize it, and make a really good pre-processor...

12:08:13 [sbp]

but this hack is good enough

12:08:33 [sbp]

actually, I should filter the variables list

12:09:43 [sbp]

there, done

12:10:16 [sbp]

[[[[

12:10:20 [sbp]

$ u n3s { \?x \?y \?z } =\> { \?z \?y \?x } .

12:10:20 [sbp]

@prefix : <#> .

12:10:20 [sbp]

@prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .

12:10:20 [sbp]

this log:forAll :x, :y, :z .

12:10:20 [sbp]

{ :x :y :z } log:implies { :z :y :x } .

12:10:21 [sbp]

]]]

12:10:26 [sbp]

s/[//

12:16:43 [sbp]

nice reply from Miles

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12:27:30 [sbp]

mega-scary:-

12:27:36 [sbp]

$ u googlecount \"Just Like Tom Thumb\'s Blues\"

12:27:39 [CygBot]

Command "u googlecount \"Just Like Tom Thumb\'s Blues\"" has been disabled

12:27:42 [sbp]

argh

12:27:44 [sbp]

$ u googlecount \"Just Like Tom Thumb\'s Blues\"

12:27:50 [CygBot]

> "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues": 3,860

12:27:50 [CygBot]

> [end]

12:27:55 [sbp]

$ u googlecount \"Sean B. Palmer\"

12:28:00 [CygBot]

> "Sean B. Palmer": 6,040

12:28:00 [CygBot]

> [end]

12:28:38 [sbp]

OTOH, I don't think any of my songs will yield 3860 results :-)

12:28:46 [sbp]

$ u googlecount \"Bob Dylan\"

12:28:52 [CygBot]

> "Bob Dylan": 397,000

12:28:52 [CygBot]

> [end]

12:29:00 [sbp]

heh, more than Aaron!

12:29:07 [sbp]

$ u googlecount \"Aaron Swartz\"

12:29:13 [CygBot]

> "Aaron Swartz": 11,500

12:29:13 [CygBot]

> [end]

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12:29:30 [sbp]

:-)

12:31:22 [sbp]

my word rating list:-

12:31:23 [sbp]

[[[

12:31:23 [sbp]

0-500 Very rare word (e.g. phenomic: 236; desynonymization: 318)

12:31:24 [sbp]

500-1000 Rare word (e.g. hyleg: 751)

12:31:24 [sbp]

1000-5000 Medium rare (e.g. lucubrations: 1720; contexture: 4150)

12:31:24 [sbp]

5000-50,000 Fairly common (e.g. extrovert: 34,200)

12:31:25 [sbp]

50,000+ Common (e.g. timbre: 266,000; interesting: 12,700,000)

12:31:29 [sbp]

]]] - http://infomesh.net/geirlyfr/

12:32:28 [sbp]

$ u googlecount phenomic

12:32:29 [sbp]

phenomic: 288

12:32:31 [sbp]

$ u googlecount chortle

12:32:31 [sbp]

chortle: 17,900

12:33:03 [sbp]

"chortle" was invented by Lewis Carroll, apparently, keeping with the current #swhack theme

12:33:30 [sbp]

Hmm... the use of "phenomic" has risen since I last surveyed it

12:37:06 [sbp]

lots of times it's either in relation to the game place, or as the adjective for phenome

12:37:13 [sbp]

and quite a few from me

12:37:47 [sbp]

the problem is, it's not a concept that arises frequently enough to really spread

12:38:39 [sbp]

It shall be entered into the dictionary!

12:39:09 [sbp]

perhaps we need to choose a new word

12:42:34 [sbp]

"O.K." was pretty cool, although it's not really a word, and "oll korrect" wouldn't have got anywhere

12:42:40 [sbp]

and "O.K." tooks years to spread

12:43:26 [sbp]

s/tooks/took/

12:44:14 [sbp]

$ u googlecount defenestrate

12:44:14 [sbp]

defenestrate: 1,920

12:44:31 [sbp]

now that's a good word, and yet it doesn't even have 2000 results

12:45:25 [sbp]

so I guess it comes down to defining when a word is a word - and that's difficult

12:45:35 [sbp]

unless you base it on appearing in a dictionary

12:45:45 [sbp]

but dictionaries are always very slow

12:48:15 [sbp]

I reckon that it'd be easier to propagate a verb than anything else

12:48:51 [sbp]

does anyone else find it ironic that "verb" is a noun? Hpmh

12:49:29 [sbp]

then again, defenestrate is a verb, and that hasn't done all that well

12:50:51 [sbp]

Hmm... defenestrate has "fenestr" in it. Just noticed that

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12:51:02 [sbp]

hey Iffman. just inventing new words

12:52:46 [sbp]

* sbp plays Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

12:55:40 [sbp]

Hmm... I could do with a word for whimsically inventing, couldn't I? :-)

12:56:58 [sbp]

menecate, entrify... Hmm...]

12:58:05 [sbp]

I'm just crunging new words. Crepulating them. enborkulating

12:58:38 [sbp]

reexispenicmefiraptlingizing

13:00:41 [sbp]

I guess it'll come when it needs to

13:01:53 [sbp]

wow:-

13:01:53 [sbp]

.http://www.apostles.com/words.html

13:01:54 [xena]

Words Coined By Thomas More According to Ackroyd's "Life of Thomas More": some of the words and phrases More introduced into written English include "fact", "taunt", "shuffle", "anticipate", "paradox", "pretext", "obstruction", "monosyllable", "meeting", "not to see the wood for the trees", and "to make the best of something". Page created by: rjs474@ix.netcom.com Changes last made on: April 16,

13:01:55 [xena]

2000

13:02:12 [sbp]

now that's impressive

13:05:10 [sbp]

nice thing about portmanteau words: http://www.parc.xerox.com/istl/members/nunberg/portmanteau.html

13:06:22 [sbp]

heh: http://www.pseudodictionary.com/

13:07:06 [sbp]

did More really coin all of those words? That's so impressive

13:07:33 [sbp]

and that's a fact :-)

13:08:30 [sbp]

ah, "introduced into written English". They might have been verbal idioms until then

13:08:53 [sbp]

nowadays since anyone can publish to the Web, you cna't really escape verbal idioms

13:12:00 [sbp]

heh, "dunno" is an odd word

13:12:15 [sbp]

$ u googlecount dunno

13:12:15 [sbp]

dunno: 651,000

13:25:48 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as Morbus

14:39:22 [sbp]

* sbp has been searching for a new signature

14:39:26 [sbp]

.sig, that is

14:39:39 [Morbus]

you need a standard template with random parts, like mine.

14:39:47 [sbp]

one possibility:-

14:39:48 [sbp]

[[[

14:39:48 [sbp]

Sean B. Palmer

14:39:49 [sbp]

http://purl.org/net/sbp/

14:39:49 [sbp]

\x0f\x1f\x02@\x0ewRDf\x1a\x1a

14:39:49 [sbp]

]]]

14:39:52 [sbp]

random? ew

14:40:24 [sbp]

no, I need something that's bold, shocking, profound, subtle, intelligent, interesting, comely, ravinous, extreme, bucaneering, bountiful, and fun

14:41:53 [sbp]

the problem is that there are so many clever .sigs out there, and I just want something cool

14:42:17 [sbp]

the Notation3 has served its purpose well, but I think it's a bit too long

14:42:36 [sbp]

I want to cut off the "Kindest regards," and revert to putting that or "Cheers," above the .sig

14:42:40 [sbp]

that'll save one line

14:44:34 [sbp]

I could put in a one line Befunge program, I suppose

14:44:42 [sbp]

but people will get that too readily

14:44:52 [sbp]

it's annoying: not much space to work with

14:45:09 [sbp]

about 50-70 characters

14:45:31 [sbp]

so you're kinda dependent upon context

14:45:42 [sbp]

for example, I could put a STAR program in there :-)

14:46:04 [sbp]

now, no one would get that... but they also wouldn't know it's a STAR program, so it'd be besides the point

14:46:22 [sbp]

i.e. a STAR program can be many things

14:47:49 [Morbus]

hrm.

14:47:54 [Morbus]

what's my terminal emulation neeed to be?

14:48:08 [Morbus]

i'm ssh'ing into a server shell.

14:48:15 [Morbus]

and i've got it set to vt100 with ansi color.

14:48:22 [sbp]

pardon?

14:48:29 [Morbus]

and in various prompts (like a su password prompt), I get ^H when I delete

14:50:52 [sbp]

heh, I can comress my .sig N3 into: $ u n3s swn:Sean swn:homepage <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

14:50:58 [sbp]

^H? ugh

14:51:24 [sbp]

.google vt100

14:51:24 [Morbus]

yeah, its driving me nuts.

14:51:25 [xena]

vt100: http://vt100.net

14:51:34 [Morbus]

i just don't know which to set it for. i have like five choices.

14:51:40 [Morbus]

new install, and i forgot what i had the last time.

14:53:14 [sbp]

ooh, I just had a cool idea

14:53:43 [sbp]

* sbp programs it

14:55:05 [sbp]

heh, this is one of the stupidest things I've ever come up with

15:07:30 [sbp]

ta da:-

15:07:31 [sbp]

[[[

15:07:31 [sbp]

$ u wsu wsu:%3Ax%20%3Ay%20%3Az%20.:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Apr/att-0021/01-n3s

15:07:31 [sbp]

@prefix : <#> .

15:07:32 [sbp]

:x :y :z .

15:07:32 [sbp]

]]]

15:07:46 [sbp]

man, that really does suck

15:07:56 [sbp]

actually, it could be made to suck less

15:08:21 [sbp]

for example: I could register a URN for it, and then make it less langauge specific

15:12:37 [sbp]

u wsu wsu:%3Ax%20%3Ay%20%3Az%20%23:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Apr/att-0021/01-n3s

15:12:41 [sbp]

oops

15:12:52 [sbp]

* sbp should use his IRC clipboard

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15:17:06 [sbp]

Hmm... that works on the command line. Might need one for piping too

15:17:28 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if | is allowed in a URI

15:18:09 [sbp]

Hmm... unwise = "{" | "}" | "|" | "\" | "^" | "[" | "]" | "`"

15:18:20 [sbp]

I'll use it anyway :-)

15:25:15 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

15:25:26 [AaronSw]

Zooko is moving to Toronto! Zooko is moving to Toronto!

15:25:55 [AaronSw]

I thought Carroll quotes were dchv requirements...

15:27:11 [AaronSw]

whoa, i didn't know about 2002/02/mid

15:27:15 [AaronSw]

then again, if it's so recent...

15:28:49 [AaronSw]

argh, 2002/02/mid has even opted out of google

15:30:07 [AaronSw]

i'd be afraid if dylan had more than i

15:30:17 [sbp]

here we go:-

15:30:18 [sbp]

[[[

15:30:22 [sbp]

$ u wsu wsu:%3Ax%20%3Ay%20%3Az%20%2e:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Apr/att-0021/01-n3s

15:30:23 [sbp]

@prefix : <#> .

15:30:23 [sbp]

:x :y :z .

15:30:24 [AaronSw]

Apparently Dylan had a poem in the Jewish newsletter at synagogue...

15:30:24 [sbp]

[...]

15:30:28 [sbp]

$ u wsu wsu:%3Ax%20%3Ay%20%3Az%20%2e\|http://infomesh.net/2002/prt.py.txt

15:30:28 [sbp]

:x :y :z .

15:30:29 [sbp]

]]]

15:31:27 [sbp]

Dylan was Jewish for a while, IIRC

15:31:50 [sbp]

and then he converted to Christianity in the late 70's, once again IIRC

15:32:01 [AaronSw]

wood for the trees?

15:32:04 [MorbusIff]

"access our internet websites"?

15:32:07 [sbp]

yep. More

15:32:08 [MorbusIff]

isnt' that repetitive?

15:33:13 [AaronSw]

.py print '\x0f\x1f\x02@\x0ewRDf\x1a\x1a

15:33:13 [xena]

SyntaxError: invalid token

15:33:30 [sbp]

heh

15:33:38 [sbp]

.py print '\x0f\x1f\x02@\x0ewRDf\x1a\x1a'

15:33:56 [sbp]

.py print '\x0f\x1f\x02@\x0ewRDf\x1a\x1a'

15:33:56 [xena]

@wRDf

15:34:08 [sbp]

ugh

15:34:14 [AaronSw]

Morbus, type stty delete or something to fix it

15:34:15 [sbp]

mIRC doesn't like that :-)

15:35:32 [AaronSw]

i get it bold and underlined here

15:35:55 [sbp]

here too

15:36:04 [AaronSw]

then mirc does like it

15:36:07 [sbp]

try it in IDLE

15:36:18 [sbp]

no; they're shift characters and stuff

15:36:28 [sbp]

>>> print '\x0f\x1f\x02@\x0ewRDf\x1a\x1a'

15:36:28 [sbp]

@wRDf

15:36:28 [sbp]

>>>

15:36:32 [sbp]

horklariffic

15:37:13 [sbp]

[][][]@[]wRDf[][] is how I get it, where the [] things are single "no glyph" characters

15:40:21 [sbp]

heh, I don't think I'll be registering this URN

15:40:27 [sbp]

but whatd'ya think about it?

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15:47:11 [sbp]

redmonk, beware, new URI schemes: argh!

16:03:04 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as Morbus

16:19:26 [redmonk]

huh/

16:19:28 [redmonk]

?

16:20:05 [redmonk]

what about new uri schemes?

16:20:24 [redmonk]

gotta run

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17:23:10 [redmonk]

hey morb

17:23:33 [jillzilla]

Heya.

17:23:45 [jillzilla]

In case anyone isn't on infoanarchy and is interested: http://www.google.com/apis/

17:23:48 [redmonk]

hi jill!

17:23:54 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves to redmonk. Hi!

17:24:02 [AaronSw]

Heh, I was just about to post that, jillzilla.

17:24:10 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: TOO SLOW!

17:24:11 [jillzilla]

:-)

17:24:15 [AaronSw]

:-) Is that what you're babysitting today?

17:24:18 [jillzilla]

I was really surprised you hadn't yet.

17:24:22 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to port to Python

17:24:23 [jillzilla]

No, I have nothing to do with apis.

17:24:26 [jillzilla]

Woo!

17:24:29 [AaronSw]

I blogged it tho: http://google.blogspace.com/

17:24:39 [jillzilla]

yay!

17:24:47 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is very excited that we finally released.

17:25:16 [redmonk]

i bet dena would really benefit from this

17:25:17 [AaronSw]

Indeed. I sent an email asking when they'd open up /xml ;-)

17:25:17 [redmonk]

ugh

17:25:21 [redmonk]

s/dena/xena

17:25:31 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: when?

17:25:40 [AaronSw]

when/if

17:26:13 [sbp]

* sbp waves

17:26:54 [AaronSw]

maxi confusing, dis soap

17:26:58 [redmonk]

is therE A WSDL PARSER FOR PYTHON?

17:27:05 [redmonk]

argh!

17:27:08 [AaronSw]

.google wsdl python

17:27:09 [redmonk]

damn capslock

17:27:09 [xena]

wsdl python: http://www-105.ibm.com/developerworks/education.nsf/webservices-onlinecourse-bytitle/D092605075D1D67D86256A7E0042432D?OpenDocument

17:27:12 [sbp]

no need to SHOUT!

17:27:19 [redmonk]

sorry

17:27:22 [sbp]

:-)

17:27:27 [redmonk]

* redmonk whispers

17:27:42 [sbp]

we need a <deem>

17:27:48 [sbp]

or <antiem>

17:28:06 [AaronSw]

I wonder if Google has registered urn:GoogleSearch

17:28:22 [sbp]

Hmm... r and e aren't even close to the caps lock button

17:28:41 [sbp]

how about just google:

17:29:16 [sbp]

but in general, what's wrong with the HTTP URI?

17:29:37 [redmonk]

a'm always hitting shift+capslock on my tibook

17:30:35 [AaronSw]

nothing, which is why it's weird

17:30:39 [AaronSw]

urn:GoogleSearch is their namespace

17:30:49 [AaronSw]

([], [], [])

17:30:49 [AaronSw]

is all i can get back... :(

17:31:02 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla returns. Hey, sbp.

17:31:06 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla goes to handle a crisis.

17:31:39 [MorbusIff]

jillzilla?

17:31:41 [MorbusIff]

in swhackl?!

17:31:42 [MorbusIff]

yay!

17:31:50 [AaronSw]

were you the one who invited her?

17:32:03 [MorbusIff]

nope.

17:32:06 [MorbusIff]

i just got back from lunch

17:32:35 [AaronSw]

i meant before she went on her vacation, a few weeks back

17:38:22 [MorbusIff]

snip:

17:38:23 [MorbusIff]

[[[

17:38:23 [MorbusIff]

01,9904[13:37] Morbus: 01well, i've been breaking into two Morbii.01,99

17:38:26 [MorbusIff]

01,9910[13:37] Pixel: 01HAHAHAHAHAHA

17:38:26 [MorbusIff]

10[13:37] Pixel: 01morbii.01,99

17:38:30 [MorbusIff]

01,9904[13:38] Morbus: 01man, you really need to get into #swhack on opn. we have Morbusthons all the time :)

17:38:30 [MorbusIff]

04[13:38] Morbus: 01there are many classic Morbusisms in the logs.01,99

17:38:31 [MorbusIff]

]]]

17:38:32 [MorbusIff]

ack.

17:38:38 [MorbusIff]

did i just paste color codes too?

17:38:45 [sbp]

yep

17:38:53 [MorbusIff]

damn.

17:38:59 [MorbusIff]

AaronSw would be proud.

17:39:04 [MorbusIff]

logster, where am i?

17:39:04 [MorbusIff]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-11#T17-39-04

17:40:11 [AaronSw]

now i'm getting a stackTrace from Google

17:41:47 [AaronSw]

ooh, a Java Stacktrace

17:41:58 [AaronSw]

Exception while handling service request: com.google.soap.search.GoogleSearchService.doGoogleSearch(java.lang.String,java.lang.String) -- no signature match

17:42:38 [sbp]

Java? [chuckle]

17:42:54 [MorbusIff]

hehe

17:43:36 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as Morbus

17:43:43 [Morbus]

did I disconnect or something whilst i was at lunch?

17:44:51 [AaronSw]

now i get Missing boolean value

17:45:09 [Morbus]

python just barely got booleans.

17:45:22 [sbp]

it didn't get them at all

17:45:29 [Morbus]

* Morbus shrugs.

17:45:30 [sbp]

it just assigned truth values to stuff

17:45:33 [Morbus]

i just read it somewhere.

17:45:38 [Morbus]

you're not supposed to know more.

17:45:41 [sbp]

None, 0, etc. have a false truth value

17:45:47 [Morbus]

you're just supposed to be like "hey, morbus knows stuff about python".

17:45:50 [Morbus]

and then leave me be.

17:45:51 [sbp]

heh, heh

17:45:58 [sbp]

hey, morbus knows stuff about python!

17:46:02 [Morbus]

* Morbus beams.

17:46:05 [AaronSw]

Hm, now I get no signature matcg again...

17:46:27 [Morbus]

[[[

17:46:27 [Morbus]

01,9910[13:46] Pixel: 01is aaronsw trying to get into teh goole SOAP interface?

17:46:27 [Morbus]

10[13:46] Pixel: 01ooh. I have logs. I can look.01,99

17:46:28 [Morbus]

]]]

17:46:36 [sbp]

argh

17:46:38 [Morbus]

pixel's the guy who works on ampheta

17:46:41 [sbp]

stop looking at us!

17:46:51 [Morbus]

spy! spy!

17:46:55 [Morbus]

ooh!

17:46:57 [Morbus]

sbp.

17:47:02 [sbp]

Morbus.

17:47:04 [Morbus]

you shouldn't say mean stuff about pixel like that off log.

17:47:05 [Morbus]

that's mean.

17:47:09 [sbp]

hey!

17:47:11 [sbp]

that was you

17:47:18 [sbp]

<Morbus> # That pixel sure does suck.

17:47:20 [Morbus]

nuh uh!

17:47:23 [Morbus]

LOL.

17:47:25 [Morbus]

oh sure.

17:47:26 [Morbus]

jillzilla!

17:47:27 [sbp]

:-)

17:47:28 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: You were the first person who encouraged me to come here.

17:47:32 [jillzilla]

Morbus!

17:47:37 [Morbus]

* Morbus does a jig.

17:47:44 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: YOU did it! YOU!

17:47:52 [Morbus]

* Morbus glares menacingly.

17:47:53 [AaronSw]

nuh uh

17:47:57 [Morbus]

* Morbus ' eyebrow falls off.

17:47:58 [jillzilla]

You did.

17:48:07 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla hands Morbus his eyebrow.

17:48:19 [Morbus]

thank you!

17:48:24 [Morbus]

you're a gentlewoman and a scholar.

17:48:30 [Morbus]

i beseech thee to cook me something.

17:48:31 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is proud.

17:48:40 [jillzilla]

cook...hmmm...yum, hot food.

17:48:43 [AaronSw]

google needs some wire examples

17:48:51 [sbp]

gentlewench

17:48:51 [jillzilla]

wire?

17:49:00 [jillzilla]

wenchlegent.

17:49:02 [AaronSw]

ah, here are some

17:49:06 [sbp]

heh

17:49:07 [Morbus]

gentlewench! oooh i like the sound of that saucy title.

17:49:16 [Morbus]

tell me jillzilla, will you accentuate your bodice and serve me some mead?!

17:49:25 [jillzilla]

My bodice needs no accentuation.

17:49:29 [Morbus]

where's lll? that needs to be put in her quote collection.

17:49:43 [Morbus]

mMM. no acentuation neeeded.

17:49:45 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla turns the mead hose on Morbus. Ooops, missed your cup. Sorry about that.

17:49:51 [Morbus]

lick it off!

17:50:10 [jillzilla]

Heavens, Morbus, you're frisky today.

17:50:14 [Morbus]

i am!

17:50:16 [Morbus]

i went home for lunch today.

17:50:23 [jillzilla]

mmmmm...hot food....

17:50:30 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is hungry and it's not even eleven.

17:50:47 [AaronSw]

heh the example search is:

17:50:49 [AaronSw]

.google shrdlu winograd maclisp teletype

17:51:13 [sbp]

get it on with a table leg, calm yourself down

17:51:26 [sbp]

or a poodle. get them back for all the times that they shag humans

17:51:37 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla sends Morbus the extra-powerful Ass Masher 3000.

17:51:40 [Morbus]

Oooh!

17:51:46 [Morbus]

hey, jillzilla, ever had ana... uh.

17:52:02 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla stares at Morbus.

17:52:14 [Morbus]

* Morbus climbs jill's stares.

17:52:14 [sbp]

anacondas for breakfast?

17:52:16 [jillzilla]

Honestly, dear, you're over the top.

17:52:27 [Morbus]

heh.

17:52:27 [xena]

shrdlu winograd maclisp teletype: http://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/shrdlu

17:52:29 [Morbus]

too far, eh?

17:52:37 [jillzilla]

indeed.

17:52:49 [Morbus]

shrdly exists? cool.

17:54:23 [Morbus]

afk.

17:55:55 [AaronSw]

<telecon>

17:59:08 [Morbus]

man, i need a free email provider with pop access, 10 megs of space, and no bandwidth restrictions.

17:59:18 [Morbus]

flipping softhome.net has a 45 meg bw for a whole month.

17:59:26 [Morbus]

i'm 35% into that and i've only used it for 3 days.

17:59:27 [Morbus]

argh

18:02:30 [AaronSw]

hmph, apis.google.com went down

18:09:33 [davb]

Morbus: that free part is gonna trip you up...

18:10:05 [Morbus]

i hear ya, davb.

18:10:11 [Morbus]

i've been hoping around various providers.

18:10:17 [Morbus]

i've got like ten boxes that i'm using for dropboxes along.

18:10:19 [Morbus]

alone.

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19:08:41 [AaronSw]

</telecon>

19:09:57 [davb]

I am running my own mail server, my ISP hasn't complained yet...

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19:19:27 [AaronSw]

On thos day... http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$3675?mode=day

19:19:32 [AaronSw]

that was a really good piece

19:24:37 [sbp]

heh, your comment in that is quite funny. the arrow of time being as it is

19:25:12 [AaronSw]

which comment?

19:25:20 [AaronSw]

my logical joke?

19:25:48 [AaronSw]

David was a great guy, always saving me from trouble on that group

19:27:33 [sbp]

cool

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19:52:59 [sbp]

welcome!

19:53:04 [dajobe]

hi!

19:53:54 [sbp]

well, this is "other side of OPN"

19:54:31 [dajobe]

I actually wanted to ask AaronSw about the google weblog

19:54:36 [dajobe]

is there a syndicated feed?

19:54:43 [AaronSw]

Yes. /index.xml

19:54:54 [dajobe]

XML Parsing Error: undefined entity ...

19:55:02 [dajobe]

yes, moz now does xml

19:55:03 [AaronSw]

I should link to it...

19:55:07 [dajobe]

yeah

19:55:22 [AaronSw]

Apparently it doesn't do it very well: it's not grabbing the xhtml DTDs which define the entities

19:55:23 [dajobe]

ah, good old HTML entities in XML

19:56:02 [AaronSw]

IE parses them fine.

19:56:35 [dajobe]

yeah looks ok. I'm adding it to my list of rss 1.0 feeds ok?>

19:56:43 [AaronSw]

Great

19:56:54 [dajobe]

* dajobe expects it to be /.-ed sometime

19:56:59 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw adds a link.

19:57:05 [AaronSw]

/.ed? that'd rock

19:57:18 [dajobe]

or suck. More ISP problems probably

19:58:30 [dajobe]

* dajobe mutters about no coffee cup on the page :)

19:59:05 [AaronSw]

heh!

19:59:29 [AaronSw]

I get my bandwidth for free, so I don't mind so much.

19:59:45 [dajobe]

nice

19:59:52 [dajobe]

well I do too, in a fashion

20:00:01 [sbp]

* sbp recalls the state of Aaron's server during a normal RSS-grabbing day...

20:00:05 [sbp]

argh, Friends is on

20:00:07 [sbp]

Gotta run

20:00:10 [dajobe]

hehe

20:00:12 [AaronSw]

Hey, that was a different server.

20:00:18 [dajobe]

* dajobe uses sbp as a simpsons/frasier alarm

20:00:35 [dajobe]

I wish danbri would sort out the rss documents purl/hosting thing

20:01:28 [AaronSw]

yeah, really

20:05:10 [dajobe]

"MS attacks free software" on the CIFS stuff http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-04-11-ms-patent.html

20:12:38 [AaronSw]

Wow, that sucks.

20:13:14 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-04-11-ms-patent.html

20:13:41 [dajobe]

they're blatently trying to kill samba

20:13:43 [chumpster]

B: http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-04-11-ms-patent.html from AaronSw

20:13:59 [AaronSw]

B:|Microsoft Attacks Free Software Developers with New License

20:14:19 [chumpster]

titled item B

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20:39:18 [walloper]

<lilo> The current release of the source code, 1.0.31+maint8, is on its website....see http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-ircd/1.0/releases/ (complete with signature files etc.)

20:40:44 [walloper]

<lilo> The html versions of the operator and user manuals (which can be generated from the source tarball) are updated: see http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-oper-guide/dancer-oper-guide/ and http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-user-guide/dancer-user-guide/ .... thanks

20:51:47 [walloper]

<lilo> This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode <yournick> -w'. Thanks.

20:55:29 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2002/FAQ_ArsDigita.html

20:55:46 [sbp]

Gotta run

20:56:02 [chumpster]

C: http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2002/FAQ_ArsDigita.html from AaronSw

20:56:41 [AaronSw]

C:|Questions about Red Hat and ArsDigita answered

20:56:57 [chumpster]

titled item C

21:01:07 [Morbus]

did you see rael's blog posting?

21:01:17 [AaronSw]

on google? blogged it

21:01:53 [Morbus]

ah.

21:01:55 [Morbus]

cool.

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21:34:07 [Morbus]

sbp:

21:34:08 [Morbus]

[[[

21:34:08 [Morbus]

Get Simpson-ized: Hey Simpsons fans, this is the best collectible you'll ever own! Have your likeness drawn in THE SIMPSONS style by an actual animator who works on the show. Give the coolest, most original gift on the planet for Birthdays, Weddings, or Anniversaries -- I'll take a photo of your loved one and draw their likeness as if they lived in Springfield. Email tashload@attbi.com now!

21:34:09 [Morbus]

]]]

21:34:27 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla laughs.

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22:09:58 [AaronSw]

heh:

22:09:59 [AaronSw]

Warning: LooksLikeFeed is not impressed: No '<?xml' found.

22:27:56 [sbp]

no "<?xml"? oh, no!

22:32:34 [torb]

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22:33:21 [sbp]

torb!

22:33:27 [sbp]

hey there, how are you doing?

22:33:46 [sbp]

this is a publically logged channel: anything you say here can and will be used to destroy your politicial career

22:33:51 [sbp]

unless you prefix it with "#"

22:34:13 [torb]

bot

22:35:36 [sbp]

affirmative

22:35:47 [jillzilla]

many a bot

22:35:52 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves to torb.

22:35:54 [sbp]

jillzilla is a bot too

22:36:01 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves to sbp

22:36:11 [sbp]

* sbp waves to jillzilla's waving hand

22:36:49 [torb]

whats the topic?

22:37:04 [AaronSw]

bot

22:37:23 [sbp]

the topic is: "contrariwise and concomitantly, his writings were quintessentially Victorian," said sbp

22:37:37 [sbp]

for more information, press 1, followed by the pound key

22:38:01 [sbp]

if your keyboard does not have a pound key, then you are an American. Ha, ha

22:38:55 [torb]

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22:39:02 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

22:39:03 [AaronSw]

NOTES: The Perl motto is "There's more than one way to do it." Divining how many more is left as an exercise to the reader.

22:39:07 [jillzilla]

Look, sbp, you scared him off.

22:39:27 [sbp]

yeah, but he was a suse user

22:39:50 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla feels intimidated.

22:39:56 [jillzilla]

well, not really.

22:40:19 [sbp]

Larry Wall uses neatly punctuated laughter!

22:40:20 [sbp]

[[[

22:40:21 [sbp]

if (rsfp = mypopen("/bin/mail root","w")) { /* heh, heh */

22:40:21 [sbp]

--Larry Wall in perl.c from the perl source code

22:40:22 [sbp]

]]]

22:43:03 [AaronSw]

Morbus uses suse

22:44:06 [sbp]

aha, my point has been proven. thanks, Aaron

22:44:25 [sbp]

[Morbus would chuckle here]

22:44:30 [sbp]

remind me to point him to the logs

22:44:55 [sbp]

ooh, torb is an anagram of bort!

22:45:04 [xoot]

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22:45:08 [sbp]

damn, and I let him get away

22:45:13 [sbp]

xoot!

22:45:16 [sbp]

hey there, how are you doing?

22:45:20 [sbp]

this is a publically logged channel: anything you say here can and will be used to destroy your politicial career

22:45:22 [sbp]

unless you prefix it with "#"

22:45:35 [sbp]

hang on, you've been here before

22:45:37 [sbp]

malfunction!

22:45:41 [sbp]

error at line 1

22:46:04 [xoot]

http://osx.blogspot.com/

22:46:10 [sbp]

so anyway xoot, we found out that torb is an anagram of bort

22:46:23 [sbp]

how does that make you feel?

22:46:36 [xoot]

i dunno

22:46:45 [sbp]

well, are you happy? sad?

22:46:52 [sbp]

no, wait... sad

22:46:55 [xoot]

i think you should make chanserv say this on entering the channel: this is a publically logged channel: anything you say here can and will be used to destroy your politicial career

22:46:55 [sbp]

surely?

22:47:05 [xoot]

i'm happy

22:47:11 [sbp]

nah. it's more fun when people don't know that they're being logged

22:47:19 [xoot]

hehehe

22:47:22 [redmonk]

heh

22:47:39 [xoot]

i made my own channel: #ixoot

22:47:49 [xoot]

i wish chanserv can log...

22:48:43 [sbp]

congratualations on making a channel. is it your first, or do you have others that you'd like to advertise?

22:49:03 [xoot]

first

22:49:22 [sbp]

sbp: making "congratulations" longer, unecessarily

22:50:03 [sbp]

ah, your nickname is an anagram of oxot

22:50:23 [sbp]

which is both quaint and oxotic

22:50:25 [xoot]

.google oxot

22:50:26 [xena]

oxot: http://www.goncharov.ru/cgi-bin/2bguest20/2bguest.pl?action=view&first=1&page=30

22:51:08 [xoot]

.yahoo oxot

22:51:11 [sbp]

lol!

22:51:12 [sbp]

[[[

22:51:12 [sbp]

Just don't create a file called -rf. :-)

22:51:12 [sbp]

--Larry Wall in <11393@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV>

22:51:13 [sbp]

]]]

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22:51:30 [xoot]

.google http://osx.blogspot.com/

22:51:30 [xena]

http://osx.blogspot.com/:">http://osx.blogspot.com/: http://osx.blogspot.com

22:51:36 [xoot]

hehehe

22:51:42 [xoot]

.google #ixoot

22:51:43 [xena]

no results found.

22:51:52 [xoot]

.xena huh

22:52:12 [sbp]

* sbp reconfigures logger to stop logging any line with the text "ixoot" or "osx.blogspot" in it

22:52:22 [sbp]

actually, Aaron, could you do that? :-)

22:52:43 [xoot]

xoot has changed the topic to: The war against xoot

22:54:17 [AaronSw]

please prefix your response with #

22:54:17 [AaronSw]

unless you already have

22:54:36 [xoot]

:D

22:57:50 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: "Beauty? What's that?" - Larry Wall

22:58:19 [xoot]

xoot has changed the topic to: *** Topic changed to ""Beauty? What's that?" - Larry Wall" by sbp

22:59:36 [AaronSw]

it might be easier to just kick him

22:59:42 [sbp]

heh

22:59:44 [sbp]

*sigh*

22:59:50 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: "Beauty? What's that?" - Larry Wall

23:00:14 [xoot]

* xoot kicks himself

23:00:22 [xoot]

now you won't have to do that

23:00:24 [AaronSw]

I wonder if you can mute people on IRC

23:00:31 [xoot]

+m

23:00:32 [sbp]

of course: it's called "ignore"

23:00:40 [AaronSw]

no, i mean for the whole channel

23:00:53 [AaronSw]

*** You can't change someone else's modes

23:00:58 [xoot]

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23:01:10 [AaronSw]

hm.

23:01:16 [AaronSw]

i didn't do that, honest

23:01:17 [sbp]

well, that's that then

23:01:22 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:01:26 [AaronSw]

I didn't!

23:01:45 [AaronSw]

Gotta run. dinner

23:01:57 [sbp]

c'ya

23:06:44 [sbp]

It's a shame, y'know, because I really did like his nickname

23:07:21 [sbp]

rather phenomic

23:07:46 [sbp]

"cyrker" beats it though, hands down

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23:17:51 [sbp]

Hmm... odd:-

23:17:51 [sbp]

>>> '"blargh" "gun\'e"'.split('"')

23:17:51 [sbp]

['', 'blargh', ' ', "gun'e", '']

23:17:51 [sbp]

>>>

23:18:05 [sbp]

oh, right... silly me

23:18:27 [sbp]

* sbp was reading " as quoted: imagine that!

23:18:45 [jillzilla]

silly silly sbp!

23:18:55 [sbp]

I know. it's almost inexcusable

23:18:59 [GabeW]

* GabeW questions jillzilla's swhack presence

23:19:08 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla feels unwelcome!

23:19:11 [sbp]

how dare you question her presence!

23:19:15 [sbp]

how *dare* you!

23:19:24 [jillzilla]

And Aaron has been doing it too!

23:19:27 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla bursts into tears.

23:19:31 [sbp]

jillzilla is the shining jewel in the crown of #swhack

23:19:41 [sbp]

now look, you've made her cry! I hope you're happy, Gabe

23:19:42 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla sniffs loudly.

23:20:08 [GabeW]

* GabeW sighs

23:20:40 [GabeW]

sorry for making you feel soo obad

23:20:58 [sbp]

well, I should hope so

23:21:52 [sbp]

* sbp comes up with a wonderful string handling hack

23:21:54 [GabeW]

jillzilla felt like she had to make sure she was witnessing dry humor, not actual remorse

23:22:14 [jillzilla]

Bah. If I'd wanted that to be public I would have said it in public. :-P

23:22:23 [GabeW]

see, thin skin after all

23:22:30 [jillzilla]

d'ohh!

23:22:35 [GabeW]

just cuz I violate a sacrosanct rule of irc

23:23:20 [GabeW]

sbp: you don't hang out on infoanarchy, do ya

23:24:02 [sbp]

not anymore

23:24:15 [GabeW]

too thin-skinned, eh?

23:24:19 [GabeW]

;^)

23:28:36 [sbp]

Hmm... this is odd...

23:28:52 [sbp]

ah, no it isn't. forgot to pad the damn string

23:29:03 [sbp]

argh, bugger it

23:29:17 [tansaku]

locust

23:29:41 [tansaku]

* tansaku watches for a swarm of locusts

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23:29:56 [sbp]

llllll! wow

23:30:17 [llllllll]

* llllllll is really asleep

23:30:23 [sbp]

sleeptyping?

23:30:27 [llllllll]

couldn't resist one last peek at irc

23:32:06 [llllllll]

understanding something interesting is about to happen to this channel

23:32:11 [llllllll]

i mean on this channel

23:32:19 [sbp]

yes: you just joined

23:32:39 [sbp]

that's the most exciting shit that's gone down on this channel since Morbus' stupid berry picker thing

23:33:23 [llllllll]

* llllllll would ask

23:33:30 [llllllll]

but with morbus, you never know

23:33:33 [redmonk]

|||||||| == barcode?

23:33:41 [jillzilla]

sbp: <loud cough>

23:33:53 [redmonk]

;-)

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23:34:17 [redmonk]

hm. s/|||||||/IIIIIIIII

23:34:36 [redmonk]

|| |||| | || |||

23:34:40 [redmonk]

heh

23:34:48 [llllllll]

there may be tab complete..

23:35:13 [llllllll]

redmonk you rock, a new variation of lllls

23:35:19 [llllllll]

must consider

23:35:37 [redmonk]

heh

23:35:48 [sbp]

the amount of "l"s is arbitrary, so I'm told

23:35:56 [redmonk]

int4eresting

23:36:01 [sbp]

not really

23:36:06 [redmonk]

heh - it's an rem typo!

23:36:18 [Ash]

hey llllllll

23:36:53 [llllllll]

hey ash

23:36:57 [AaronSw]

whoa, llllllll. Ash, jillzilla. is this infoanarchy?

23:36:57 [Ash]

What's up?

23:37:06 [sbp]

it had better not b

23:37:09 [sbp]

s/b/be/

23:37:17 [AaronSw]

<jillzilla> This takeover isn't going *quite* as I pictured it, funnily.

23:37:23 [jillzilla]

oops.

23:37:24 [AaronSw]

aha! i knew it was planned

23:37:25 [Ash]

haha

23:37:28 [llllllll]

hiya jillllllllllzillllllllllllla

23:37:35 [jillzilla]

lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23:37:43 [GabeW]

* GabeW slaps AaronSw about the head knees and thumbs

23:37:45 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets out his kicking boots

23:37:54 [GabeW]

alright alright

23:37:57 [llllllll]

wow aaronsw, what's up

23:38:13 [Ash]

Ash has changed the topic to: TAKEOVER

23:38:13 [llllllll]

tansaku: don;t you ever sleep

23:38:15 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla readies the Big Foam Slapping Hand.

23:38:23 [jillzilla]

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23:38:28 [tansaku]

lllllll: never

23:38:38 [Ash]

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23:39:21 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Run, Dougal - quite quickly!

23:39:55 [Ash]

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23:40:09 [GabeW]

need to run

23:41:30 [redmonk]

* redmonk sighs after spending 2 hours chasing a STUPID STUPID clicking error

23:41:39 [Ash]

click click

23:41:40 [Ash]

click

23:41:45 [Ash]

click click click

23:41:55 [redmonk]

it only took one click

23:41:57 [redmonk]

ash

23:42:02 [Ash]

hehe

23:42:03 [redmonk]

in the wrong place, wrong time

23:42:19 [redmonk]

set a non-pk-related column as part of the pk on a table

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23:42:36 [redmonk]

could not figure out why the relationship was borked

23:42:39 [redmonk]

argh!!

23:43:03 [redmonk]

* redmonk would shoot himself if he did not have a deadline to meet

23:45:41 [sbp]

heh

23:48:45 [jillzilla]

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23:48:56 [jillzilla]

sbp: You hate #infoanarchy?

23:49:42 [Ash]

sbp hates us, jillzilla

23:49:46 [Ash]

:-(

23:49:58 [jillzilla]

I think he just hates you, Ash.

23:50:10 [Ash]

Oh, shoot.

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23:53:27 [sbp]

me? hate infoanarchy? yes

23:53:27 [sbp]

er... #infoanarchy, that is

23:53:40 [sbp]

dunno about the site: I don't visit it all that often

23:59:31 [sbp]

now that's a fun bit of hacking:-

23:59:32 [sbp]

[[[

23:59:32 [sbp]

import sys; p = ['', '']; (x, p[0], y, p[1], z) = ' '.join(sys.argv[1:]

23:59:32 [sbp]

).replace('[', ']').split(']'); p[(len(p[0]) > len(p[1]))] = [p[0].ljust(

23:59:32 [sbp]

len(p[1])), p[1].ljust(len(p[0]))][(len(p[0]) > len(p[1]))]; print ' '.join(

23:59:34 [sbp]

[str(ord(p[0][i])^ord(p[1][i])) for i in range(len(p[0]))])

23:59:36 [sbp]

]]]

23:59:53 [redmonk]

sbp!