IRC log of swhack on 2002-03-31

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00:09:12 [synk]
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00:29:05 [sbp]
hey synk
00:29:59 [sbp]
N.B. this channel is logged to the Web; prefix what you say with "# " to make an off log remark; yadda yadda
00:30:40 [sbp]
* sbp tries out some Unicode editors
00:31:18 [sbp]
one of them (Unipad) is really good, but it seems to be crash-prone
00:33:55 [sbp]
in fact, if it wasn't for the instablity and the expiration date, this thing would just rock
00:34:42 [sbp]
for example: I had a \uXXXX bit of text that I wanted converted into a character...
00:34:58 [sbp]
I just selected and right clicked it, and there's a menu function to convert it!
00:43:39 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
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[[[
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If you wanted, for example, to give each "instance of a character on paper throughout history" its own code, you might need trillions or quadrillions of such codes; noble as this effort might be, you would not use Unicode for such an encoding.
00:43:46 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/utf_bom.html#9
00:46:26 [oierw]
aww
00:48:01 [sbp]
yeah. shame, eh? :-)
00:51:02 [sbp]
Hmm... it would be possible, for all files that had a unicode interpretation, to give a URI to every single character
00:51:14 [sbp]
as long as those files had a URI themselves, that is
00:52:46 [sbp]
http://example.org/2002-03-30T17-15-20/37/http://www.w3.org/
00:52:46 [sbp]
the 37th character in www.w3.org on that particular date
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which happens to be an "H"
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$ python -c "import urllib2; print '"%s"' % urllib2.urlopen('http://www.w3.org/').read()[36]"
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> H
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> [end]
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00:59:22 [AaronSw]
i'm freee!
00:59:40 [sbp]
to do what?
00:59:52 [AaronSw]
to use electricity again
00:59:55 [sbp]
or is that your John Humphries impression?
01:00:03 [AaronSw]
who's synk?
01:00:20 [sbp]
so you consider following an ancient tradition to be some sort of inprisionment?
01:00:23 [sbp]
dunno
01:00:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw googles for "John Humphries"
01:00:38 [AaronSw]
.wn free
01:00:39 [xena]
free defined as:
01:00:40 [xena]
- adj 1: able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; "free enterprise"; "a free port"; "a free country"; "I have an hour free"; "free will"; "free of racism"; "feel free to stay as long as you wish" [ant: {unfree}]
01:00:41 [xena]
- 2: (chemistry and physics) unconstrained or not chemically bound in a molecule or not fixed and capable of relatively unrestricted motion; "free expansion"; "free oxygen"; "a free electron" [ant: {bound}]
01:00:42 [xena]
- 3: costing nothing; "complimentary tickets" [syn: {complimentary}, {costless}, {gratis(p)}, {gratuitous}]
01:00:43 [xena]
- 4: not occupied or in use; "a free locker"
01:00:52 [AaronSw]
"not hampered"
01:00:53 [sbp]
ah, it was occupied
01:00:59 [AaronSw]
heh
01:01:04 [sbp]
:-)
01:01:19 [sbp]
* sbp changes his clocks
01:01:52 [AaronSw]
is tomorrow april fools or something?
01:03:11 [sbp]
as a matter of fact...
01:03:50 [sbp]
it is (technically), but that's not why I'm changing them :-)
01:05:23 [AaronSw]
so why are you changing them?
01:06:46 [sbp]
.google site:lists.w3.org Sean B. Palmer www-qa XHTML rant
01:06:46 [xena]
site:lists.w3.org Sean B. Palmer www-qa XHTML rant: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa/2001Sep/0013.html&e=922
01:06:56 [sbp]
BST, of course
01:10:41 [AaronSw]
It's summer already over there?
01:10:50 [AaronSw]
Don't you normally wait until the solstice?
01:11:33 [sbp]
we can't wait! impatient lot
01:12:32 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: <mnot> if java and perl jump off a bridge... <dajobe> python is sure to follow ... with strict indenting required
01:13:33 [AaronSw]
heh!
01:15:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds britney mispellings to his google blog... should have thought of that before.
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02:03:31 [sbp]
Aaron, you're loqutentious.
02:03:39 [AaronSw]
.wn loqutentious
02:04:00 [sbp]
it means "eminently quotable"
02:04:01 [AaronSw]
.google loqutentious
02:04:02 [xena]
no results found.
02:04:16 [AaronSw]
Thanks, I guess.
02:04:18 [sbp]
concept courtesy of Terje Bless
02:04:28 [AaronSw]
Heh, thanks Terje.
02:06:07 [sbp]
.time
02:06:07 [xena]
2002/03/31 02:06:06.90032 Universal
02:06:18 [sbp]
.time
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2002/03/31 02:06:18.3514 Universal
02:06:24 [AaronSw]
lol
02:07:29 [sbp]
11.45108 seconds, FYI
02:25:43 [AaronSw]
Zim: "Computer, tell me about the FBI."
02:25:50 [AaronSw]
Computer: "The FBI is a government agency."
02:25:54 [AaronSw]
Zim: "Go on...."
02:26:00 [AaronSw]
Computer: "That's all I know."
02:26:12 [AaronSw]
Zim: "That's all?! Can't you just make an educated guess?"
02:26:31 [AaronSw]
Computer: "Um, OK... the FBI was founded in 1492 by, um, evil demons...."
02:26:48 [sbp]
remarkably accurate guess
02:27:37 [sbp]
1492: isn't that when Columbus found some crummy continent getting in the way of Asia?
02:27:46 [AaronSw]
I believe so.
02:28:03 [AaronSw]
although I recall it was an island, not a continent
02:28:23 [sbp]
close enough. anyway, he didn't discover it
02:28:38 [sbp]
for two reasons
02:28:58 [AaronSw]
reminds me of stan freeberg's USA:
02:29:17 [AaronSw]
Columbus to Indians: "Mind if I take a few of you back home to prove I discovered you?"
02:29:26 [AaronSw]
Indian: "You discover us? We discover you!"
02:29:30 [AaronSw]
Columbus: "Huh?"
02:29:41 [AaronSw]
Indian: "We discover you on beachead here. Is all how you look at it."
02:29:48 [AaronSw]
Columbus: "Hmm, I guess so."
02:30:03 [sbp]
heh, heh. that's the second reason
03:21:16 [eikeon]
clear
03:22:08 [sbp]
Homer: We're here, we're clear, we don't want any more bears
03:22:24 [eikeon]
lol
03:22:51 [eikeon]
Where oh where did my '/' key go... again.
03:23:04 [sbp]
aha
03:23:23 [sbp]
the other day, I kept mixing up / and \
03:23:29 [sbp]
I think it was when I was feverish
03:23:39 [sbp]
so I'd be doing:-
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\nick sbp
03:23:53 [sbp]
followed by an obligatory
03:23:56 [sbp]
Grpgmrpmgprmgh
03:24:05 [eikeon]
ah yes... dfkgjhdgjh
03:24:10 [sbp]
no...
03:24:12 [sbp]
Grpmgprmgprmgpmh
03:24:37 [sbp]
.google Grgpmrgpmrgph
03:24:38 [xena]
no results found.
03:24:42 [sbp]
Pff
03:24:53 [sbp]
I did it once, and it came up with the swhacklogs
03:25:11 [eikeon]
nice
03:25:12 [sbp]
an interesting little fluke was it
03:25:48 [sbp]
* sbp seems to have lapsed into "hi. you are reading my words" mode
03:26:09 [eikeon]
Mixing up / and \ reminds me of times when I forget basic emacs keybindings... normally call it a day when that happens.
03:26:33 [sbp]
* sbp adds that to his list of reasons to avoid emacs
03:27:11 [sbp]
I tend to avoid text editors that can make the morning's coffee and toast anyway
03:40:53 [AaronSw]
Heh, Evan Williams was born on April 1
03:41:06 [sbp]
you're joking, right?
03:41:20 [AaronSw]
nope
03:41:31 [AaronSw]
Unless he is.
03:54:39 [AaronSw]
@ http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?73&quick&extend=all
03:54:51 [AaronSw]
also: http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?165&quick&extend=all
03:55:12 [chumpster]
A: http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?73&quick&extend=all from AaronSw
03:55:21 [AaronSw]
A:|Mornington Dictionary (2002 ed.)
03:55:29 [AaronSw]
A:|Mornington Dictionary (1999 ed.)
03:55:37 [chumpster]
titled item A
03:55:42 [AaronSw]
A::see also [the 2002 ed.|http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?165&quick&extend=all]
03:55:48 [AaronSw]
A::<sbp> a game almost built for me
03:55:54 [chumpster]
titled item A
03:56:11 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:56:13 [sbp]
A::hey! you can't prove that I said that
03:56:27 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:56:44 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:57:50 [sbp]
yeah, I'll comment you
03:58:22 [AaronSw]
hm?
04:01:10 [sbp]
what does that *mean* exactly
04:01:12 [sbp]
wibble
04:01:23 [sbp]
so, anyway, how's by you?
04:13:06 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw starts in on Operation Swhack Catch-up
04:13:25 [sbp]
my advice? don't bother
04:13:41 [AaronSw]
No, I have a personal goal to read every line of #swhack
04:14:05 [AaronSw]
When I stop doing that, that's when it's time to kill the channel.
04:14:10 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:14:17 [AaronSw]
I'm not gonna let this be another FoRK, dammit!
04:14:19 [AaronSw]
;-)
04:14:20 [sbp]
as if you could/would
04:14:29 [AaronSw]
hah, just watch me!
04:14:30 [sbp]
pun intended?
04:14:37 [AaronSw]
/kickban *
04:15:16 [sbp]
we'd just move to #thenewswhack
04:15:44 [AaronSw]
fine with me
04:17:18 [AaronSw]
I think we should start a "PaulP, please write an article on RDF for us!" petition ;)
04:17:41 [sbp]
deal
04:21:22 [sbp]
what kind of article?
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04:23:41 [AaronSw]
like the REST one, but about RDF
04:23:44 [AaronSw]
maui, eh?
04:25:00 [talli]
sorry
04:25:03 [talli]
yes, maui
04:25:52 [talli]
anyone get bumped off of the AIM servers using GAIM?
04:26:39 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw kicks xena
04:26:42 [AaronSw]
Why isn't she logging?
04:30:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw bursts with laughter at <sbp> if I had said "spawniness", although technically incorrect, it would have made the phrase above much more entertaining, hillarious, and jazzy. I apologize for misleading the public in this way, and hope that everyone missed this comic blunder. thank you for your time
04:30:54 [sbp]
oh wow! that's brilliant!
04:31:17 [sbp]
* sbp was sooooo out of it
04:31:28 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw spends several minutes parsing arseholistictockaymartistictokay
04:31:55 [AaronSw]
wow, sbp really got going there
04:32:10 [sbp]
* sbp reads the logs too... bizarre
04:32:50 [sbp]
ooh! that's right by my mirrors rant
04:33:49 [AaronSw]
<sbp> just to note that I'm tired and ill, so the http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-03-28.txt log should probably be chucked into the well
04:34:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw makes loud chirp-like laughing noise @ <sbp> anyway, I think we should have a closedown routine like, we play the national anthem and then switch over the teletext yep. poor me
04:35:12 [sbp]
:-)
04:35:22 [sbp]
I like the singing bit
04:35:30 [AaronSw]
boom boom
04:35:59 [AaronSw]
heh, i remember this:
04:35:59 [AaronSw]
15:08:42 <Morbus> the sleeper awakens!
04:35:59 [AaronSw]
15:08:49 <AaronSw> no
04:36:17 [AaronSw]
noah or ben or someone was typing in response to the t2s on the speakers i forgot to turn down the volume on
04:36:32 [AaronSw]
15:11:46 <redmonk> can anyone tell my why i get an IndentationError with this code?
04:36:32 [AaronSw]
15:12:05 <deltab> there's an error in your indentation
04:37:04 [sbp]
t2s?
04:37:10 [AaronSw]
text to speech
04:37:12 [sbp]
heh!
04:37:20 [sbp]
@ error in your indentation
04:37:35 [AaronSw]
did you miss: <lfcuser> It'd be cool if xena could make phone calls -- t2s and s2t needed, tho
04:37:43 [AaronSw]
lfcuser == student(AaronSw)
04:37:46 [sbp]
Yep
04:38:06 [AaronSw]
it was sorta cool. notZakim reminded me to catch the train. thanks technology!
04:38:22 [sbp]
I was there just after that
04:39:12 [sbp]
wow, did you skip a day or something?
04:40:05 [AaronSw]
skip a day?
04:40:09 [sbp]
yeah
04:40:13 [AaronSw]
how so?
04:40:32 [AaronSw]
whoa, this jarv and geryon stuff is weird
04:40:34 [sbp]
in your catching up with swhack parade love-fest thing
04:40:52 [AaronSw]
no, i was just mentioning that because it used the term t2s
04:41:14 [sbp]
ah, right
04:41:19 [sbp]
yeah, that stuff was weird
04:42:12 [AaronSw]
* jillium thinks of the interiors of stars, where hydrogen is turned into staplers.
04:42:49 [sbp]
heh: 20:09:56 <sbp> "One can of red goo, please"
04:43:15 [sbp]
"* jillium loops infinitely" was based on [OLM]
04:43:26 [AaronSw]
argh, where is this OLM? it's not in my logs...
04:43:28 [sbp]
and then we got K-lined again!
04:43:44 [sbp]
oh, actually, that was the first time
04:44:36 [sbp]
heh:-
04:44:36 [sbp]
23:36:06 <sbp> wow
04:44:36 [sbp]
23:47:59 <Morbus> wow?
04:44:36 [sbp]
23:48:15 <jillzilla> wow!
04:44:50 [AaronSw]
ah, here's the olm stuff
04:46:15 [sbp]
shortly after we got K-lined for the second time:-
04:46:15 [sbp]
01:23:51 <sbp> * sbp tries to get as much chatting done as possible before he's K-lined again
04:46:28 [AaronSw]
heh
04:48:04 [sbp]
anyway, smeggle
04:48:07 [sbp]
Gotta run
04:48:22 [AaronSw]
hey! i was gonna ask for logs
04:48:25 [AaronSw]
from the k-lined period
04:49:36 [AaronSw]
so people have been wondering about loggy
04:49:48 [AaronSw]
I'm thinking about moving logs off of calliope over to vorpal
04:49:52 [AaronSw]
and loggy is on vorpal
04:50:01 [AaronSw]
this will mean a change in URL to notabug from blogspace
04:50:04 [AaronSw]
(most likely)
04:51:21 [AaronSw]
.time
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2002/03/31 04:51:21.5119 Universal
04:51:35 [AaronSw]
.time bst
04:51:35 [xena]
Mar. 31, 2002 5:51 am GMT+1
04:53:01 [AaronSw]
I wasn't going to break uris, the question is whether to redirect them, or simply keep the old logs where they are
04:54:52 [eikeon]
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Mar. 30, 2002 11:54 pm US/Eastern
05:01:06 [AaronSw]
it's weird reading what i write in the logs
05:01:23 [AaronSw]
i have the same reaction as hearing my voice recorded: "I sound so different!'
05:05:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reads sbp on hash collisions. the prob with that is that then you can verify the hash
05:12:13 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw plows thru "unread" messages
05:25:30 [AaronSw]
inbox is down to 635 messages
05:43:21 [AaronSw]
wow, i've completed my goal of listening to every song on http://www.monkey.sbay.org/~kristen/beatles/songs/alpha.html
05:43:27 [AaronSw]
except "you won't see me"
05:59:07 [AaronSw]
PaulP: "Resources (data objects) are like children. They need to have names if they are to participate in society."
06:21:43 [AaronSw]
hm, flights to boston only $176
06:23:08 [eikeon]
Thinking of visiting me :-)
06:23:27 [AaronSw]
heh, i forgot you were around there
06:23:33 [AaronSw]
how's april 23? ;)
06:23:51 [eikeon]
I will be around.
06:24:13 [eikeon]
Just let me know if you want to meet somewhere.
06:25:00 [AaronSw]
cool. i won't be there for very long (10-5ish) but it'd be nice to meet up
06:25:13 [AaronSw]
well, 10-7, actually
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06:55:20 [AaronSw]
http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-3.html
06:57:44 [AaronSw]
Neat CSS trick: http://www.michaelbernstein.com/weblog/
06:57:51 [AaronSw]
notice how the sidebar follows you as you scroll
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Gotta run
14:55:27 [AaronSw]
fortune: Didja hear about the tribe that worshiped zero? Is nothing sacred?
14:55:48 [AaronSw]
er, there should be a [beat] in between those two lines
15:08:55 [AaronSw]
hmm, massinova sounds really cool. but aaargh, it's down!
16:30:21 [AaronSw]
wow, RU files are bloaty
16:30:31 [AaronSw]
gotta delete my weblogsComData.root -- it's 114MB!
16:31:12 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/29/ibook_linux.html
16:31:49 [chumpster]
B: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/29/ibook_linux.html from AaronSw
16:31:56 [AaronSw]
B:|iBooks Love Linux
16:32:06 [AaronSw]
B::by Edd Dumbill
16:32:13 [chumpster]
titled item B
16:32:25 [AaronSw]
B::A tale of Edd's conversion from Intel laptops to Apple hardware, but still running Debian GNU/Linux
16:32:30 [chumpster]
commented item B
16:32:47 [chumpster]
commented item B
16:33:26 [AaronSw]
B::"I was slightly amused by the vacuum-suction effect when you minimized a window, but in general found the system pleasant to use."
16:33:42 [chumpster]
commented item B
16:38:37 [AaronSw]
B::"There are some cute surprises too: the first time I put the iBook to sleep, it was late at night and dark in my office. I nearly fell off my chair when I noticed the book "breathing in its sleep" with a little white light next to the lid clasp slowly pulsating."
16:38:53 [chumpster]
commented item B
17:21:52 [AaronSw]
wow, freed up 10GB there
17:23:57 [AaronSw]
ah, `chflags -R nouchg,noschg [...]` will unlock files
17:24:01 [AaronSw]
on OS X
17:38:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw updates http://www.aaronsw.com/movies/
17:53:48 [AaronSw]
heh, my death scene in the telenovela was great
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19:54:20 [AaronSw]
hey there. how'd the deploy go?
19:55:48 [redmonk]
ugh
19:55:52 [redmonk]
rather not talk about i
19:55:54 [redmonk]
t
19:55:57 [redmonk]
heh
19:56:04 [AaronSw]
heh, that bad, eh?
19:56:09 [redmonk]
i'm going to need tharapy i think ;-)
19:56:27 [redmonk]
suffice it to say that the old version is still up
19:56:49 [redmonk]
<shudder>
19:56:52 [redmonk]
how're you?
19:56:52 [AaronSw]
ick
19:56:55 [redmonk]
yeah
19:56:58 [redmonk]
how was passover?
19:57:04 [AaronSw]
i'm doing alright. pretty good, thanks
19:57:23 [redmonk]
cool
19:57:28 [AaronSw]
now i just have to survive a couple more days of no bread
19:57:41 [AaronSw]
which shouldn't be hard
19:57:42 [redmonk]
ah.
19:57:44 [redmonk]
yeah
19:57:48 [redmonk]
saltines, baby!
19:57:54 [AaronSw]
heh heh
19:57:56 [redmonk]
and peanut butter. yum.
19:58:18 [redmonk]
where did you do your seder?
19:58:24 [AaronSw]
any idea how to label items with the color sorta things in mac os x?
19:58:30 [redmonk]
huh?
19:58:32 [AaronSw]
first night was at my grandma's, second night was here
19:58:36 [redmonk]
cool
19:58:42 [redmonk]
like in os 9?
19:58:45 [AaronSw]
yeah
19:58:46 [redmonk]
(labels?)
19:58:48 [redmonk]
no idea
19:58:48 [AaronSw]
"Hot Items", "Cool"
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that thing
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i don' think it has them
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i need it for retrospect....
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ah
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hm.
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i may recall a 3rd party thing that gives you labels
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try versiontracker maybe?
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(or google)
19:59:57 [AaronSw]
i've been a googling
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need to run
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k
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cya
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cya
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* AaronSw checks VT
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oh, applescript can mess with them
20:12:53 [AaronSw]
no, that won't work
20:17:30 [AaronSw]
woohoo! XRay will do it
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cf. http://www.versiontracker.com/redir.fcgi/kind=1&db=mac&id=12103/XRay10.dmg.sit
20:18:01 [AaronSw]
err, that's the download page. description is at
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@ http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12103&db=mac
20:18:36 [chumpster]
C: http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12103&db=mac from AaronSw
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C:|XRay 1.0
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titled item C
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C::Allows you to change Classic OS 9 "labels" from OS X, which I needed for the newly released Retrospect 5.0 for X.
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commented item C
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<lilo> Converting an administrative server to maint5.
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* sbp waves
21:18:21 [AaronSw]
hello there
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* sbp wrote a good new song today; is just playing it to get a feel for it
21:43:24 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. In about a half hour we'll be attempting our first major upgrade of the holiday weekend. This will involving upgrading a central hub and will probably affect nearly everybody on the network. We'll notify you as it gets closer
21:43:57 [AaronSw]
cool
21:44:19 [sbp]
Hmm... I think that it's the best that I've written for some months, so I'm happy :-)
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and all in one go! no fragments!
21:46:59 [AaronSw]
cool
21:47:13 [sbp]
can I get a "whee!"?
21:47:17 [AaronSw]
whee!
21:47:21 [sbp]
ty
21:47:26 [AaronSw]
np
22:07:54 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We're about 5 minutes away from the upgrade of a major hub. Nearly everybody will be affected. Apologies in advance for the join storm.
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[Global Notice] Okay, here it goes. Hopefully see you on the other side. 8)
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topic is: <mnot> if java and perl jump off a bridge... <dajobe> python is sure to follow ... with strict indenting required
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hey there chumpster, logster
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Hmm... I wonder if the "-" is a dp default?
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it's always fun to check out the #openprojects noise when something like this happens
22:25:44 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. So, clearly the conversion was not as smooth as we'd hoped. Problems occurred with the un-upgraded servers. We're in the process of getting the core servers back and will be cutting the rest over in the next few minutes.
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hm. looks like something fun happened
22:29:55 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Our initial upgrade, announced earlier, did not go as smoothly as we'd hoped. Un-upgraded servers had compatibility issues. We've upgraded the core servers and will work on adding back the others. Apologies for the difficulties.
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"Our initial upgrade, announced earlier, did not go as smoothly as we'd hoped." - lilo
22:30:51 [AaronSw]
i guess not
22:31:44 [sbp]
check out the logs... 9001 was still going, so I joined there, and then carter on here
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I think they're still having problems with a couple of the servers
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(some going out, some coming back in)
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that i am
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talli: what are you?
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i am your father
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so... to answer my actual question, that'd make you a father then
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only if you are my son
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or daughter
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whatever you are
22:50:48 [sbp]
well, your statement would imply one of the latter consequents, yes
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come to the darkside and i will tell you more
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the darkside?
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and where might this darkside be located?
22:52:28 [talli]
did you see empire strikes back?
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guess
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i guess.... not
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* AaronSw works on his 6171 talk
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6171 talk?
22:59:27 [AaronSw]
6.171 is MIT's course on "software engineering for web applications" taught by Philip Greenspun and Hal Abelson. I'm gonna give a guest lecture on the Semantic Web.
22:59:40 [sbp]
excellent!
23:00:48 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. As mentioned earlier, the hub upgrade allowed us to discover some incompatibilities with the old code. Most of the servers are back and several more should be straggling in over the next few minutes. The new code is up and so far it looks fine. Apologies for the inconvenience.
23:01:45 [sbp]
don't forget to mention the 'plesh
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:-)
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and "phenomic". ahem
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aah, xena. the channel is complete again
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wait! no deltab
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I realised something quite odd when Jim visited: I pronounce CWM as "see double you em"
23:04:17 [AaronSw]
I did that for a while.
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why?
23:04:32 [AaronSw]
How is it supposed to be pronounced?
23:04:35 [AaronSw]
Now I say "coom".
23:05:05 [sbp]
that's how the word is pronounced, that's how Jim pronounces it, and I presume from your meeting notes that that's how Tim pronounces it
23:05:25 [AaronSw]
oh, good
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my pronounciation system is quite weird
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how so?
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Hmm... actually, I don't think that "coom" is a good enough interpretation
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I feel that the "oo" is actually shorter than that would imply
23:09:47 [AaronSw]
When I say it, it rhymes with broom.
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or foot
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broom is too long, I think
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take the "oo" from "foot", and transplant it into "coom" :-)
23:10:57 [sbp]
then again, broom might be pronounced long or short. Heh
23:11:04 [AaronSw]
I dunno how the British pronounce foot.
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but I don't think that anyone says f-ooooh!-t
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rhymes with put
23:12:02 [AaronSw]
ah, same here. no, i say it longer than that
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more, oooh sound
23:12:29 [sbp]
I'm sure it should be more of an "uh" sound
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(not completely "uh"-ish)
23:13:03 [AaronSw]
yeah, because that would attract the wrong kind of people...
23:16:02 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:16:20 [talli]
it would get me
23:17:12 [sbp]
ah! but, OTOH... "coomb" is a direct synonym for "cwm", and is certainly derived from it
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and the "oo" in coomb is longer. surely
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* sbp really needs to find some evidence to back this up
23:17:34 [AaronSw]
coomb?
23:18:33 [AaronSw]
I should ask my friend (and former teacher, and zooko-look-alike) Jim Leesch. He went to Wales and we spent a whole year giving him pop-quizzes on the language
23:21:38 [sbp]
crud: http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/6/C0830600.wav
23:22:11 [sbp]
they have it as coo(as in boot)m
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rather than coo(as in took)m
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the problem is, it's an English word taken directly from Welsh
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like "car" and "gull"
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and the pronounciation may actually differ, which might be what's throwing me
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Webster's:-
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[[[
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Comb \Comb\, Combe \Combe\ (? or ?), n. [AS. comb, prob. of
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Celtic origin; cf. W. cwm a dale, valley.]
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That unwatered portion of a valley which forms its
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continuation beyond and above the most elevated spring that
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issues into it. [Written also coombe.] --Buckland.
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]]]
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* AaronSw gets dragged to see ice age
23:27:42 [sbp]
Cwm is pronounced "kum" according to http://www.estelnet.com/catalunyacymru/catala/canco_e.htm
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Ice Age: have fun!
23:28:03 [AaronSw]
not a movie i wanted to see...
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hopefully my backup will work while i'm gone
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remind me to find the cc message when i get bakc
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* AaronSw is away: Ice Age
23:33:39 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. The upgrade is complete. In the process of upgrading we discovered an unfortunate incompatibility with the old release code, and a new maintenance release has been put out, somewhat belatedly, to make othernet upgrades a bit smoother. Apologies for the difficulties and things appear very stable at this point.
23:34:55 [sbp]
neat: http://members.aol.com/gulfhigh2/words9.html
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(another page gives the w as being like oo in look, which is short for me)
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I conclude that it's probably down to dialect only, and that there is no standard
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did you find the cwm?
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n/m. it seem to be mentioned like 3 times ;P
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