IRC log of swhack on 2002-03-05

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00:10:27 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!

00:38:01 [Morbus]

sbp, have you done anything with rdfpic?

00:38:23 [sbp]

rdfpic? the Java thing?

00:38:47 [Morbus]

yeah

00:39:01 [sbp]

nope. It's Java

00:39:15 [Morbus]

k

00:39:20 [Morbus]

i need a good image management system.

00:39:24 [Morbus]

for thousands of images, and high traffic.

00:39:30 [sbp]

ah, ask Aaron when he comes back

00:39:44 [Morbus]

k.

00:40:02 [Morbus]

yeah, i know he's got something, but i don't have python on my box

00:40:24 [sbp]

what?!?!?! install it! right now!

00:40:29 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

00:40:53 [sbp]

go on; I'll still be waiting here when you get back (unless my connection borks out)

00:41:18 [Morbus]

uh huh.

00:41:21 [Morbus]

i'm not installing it <g>

00:41:27 [sbp]

Pff

00:42:18 [sbp]

well at least uninstall Java. What are you trying to *do* to your poor box?

00:42:27 [Morbus]

pff, i don't have java installed either.

00:42:33 [Morbus]

i didn't even know rdfpic is java when i asked.

00:42:48 [sbp]

.google RDFPic

00:42:49 [xena]

RDFPic: http://jigsaw.w3.org/rdfpic

00:43:23 [sbp]

RDFPic isn't what you want, anyway

00:43:34 [Morbus]

yeah, i know that now. already saw the draft

00:47:41 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if Aaron stores his HTTP archives on Vorpal too

00:48:39 [sbp]

Pss:-

00:48:43 [sbp]

Pff, rather

00:48:45 [sbp]

.http://web.archive.org/web/20011007074534/swartzfam.com/aaron/

00:49:14 [sbp]

Hmm... that's meant to be http://web.archive.org/web/20020122120538/http://aaronsw.com/

00:49:15 [sbp]

.http://web.archive.org/web/20020122120538/http://aaronsw.com/

00:57:02 [AaronSw-bak]

morbus, your imap claim is just plain stupid.

00:57:09 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

00:57:10 [Morbus]

oh?

00:58:20 [AaronSw-bak]

how does having a backup on one server or another have anything to do with IMAP?

00:58:37 [AaronSw-bak]

i mean, what if your machine's hard drive blew up? does that mean that Mac OS X is a bad operating system?

00:58:50 [Morbus]

huh?

00:59:16 [Morbus]

if I screwed up my own archives of mail on my own machine, than that makes me a lot happier than some machine miles away being hacked into or whatever.

00:59:28 [Morbus]

for me, its the same thing as storing money in a bank.

00:59:31 [AaronSw-bak]

what does IMAP have to do with machines being here or far away?

00:59:42 [AaronSw-bak]

you keep your money under your pillow, i guess?

00:59:43 [Morbus]

i hate banks - i like all my money where I can touch it and feel it and control it myself. same with my email.

01:00:01 [Morbus]

if the bank gets robbed, no problem, I got my money here. If the server goes done, no problem, i have my email here.

01:00:15 [Morbus]

If I get robbed, or my box crashes, well, that's my own damn fault - I can't blame anyone else.

01:00:19 [AaronSw-bak]

IMAP doesn't stop you from doing that anymore than storing your money in a safe stops you from keeping the safe at home.

01:00:32 [Morbus]

than why haven't you done so?

01:00:40 [AaronSw-bak]

I did and do!

01:00:57 [Morbus]

ah. you made it seem like a big deal earlier.

01:01:08 [AaronSw-bak]

because three days earlier i deleted one of my backups

01:01:27 [AaronSw-bak]

that i kept locally

01:01:31 [AaronSw-bak]

anyway, gotta run now

01:01:39 [sbp]

hang on, how is it going?

01:01:41 [Morbus]

where ya going?

01:01:49 [sbp]

why are you going?

01:09:27 [sbp]

looks like he goned

01:09:51 [Morbus]

i knew he didn't like us

01:10:09 [sbp]

how did you know that? picking up the vibes?

01:10:37 [Morbus]

you should have saw the msg he just sent me/.

01:10:38 [Morbus]

nasty

01:11:17 [sbp]

how many times did it use the mf word? that's the best test of msg nastiness

01:11:57 [Morbus]

i couldn't measure it. it was a continuous stream

01:12:26 [sbp]

while 1: print 'mf', eh?

01:12:33 [Morbus]

oh indeed.

01:15:10 [sbp]

* sbp gets a drink

01:23:29 [sbp]

\topic Home of the Great Morbus Cheese Scandal! | Don't hir Morbus as your gardener: he'll just ramble amongst your flower beds at 2 o'clock in the Morning

01:23:35 [sbp]

s/hir/hire/

01:23:59 [Morbus]

does sbp require attention? <G>

01:24:05 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:24:06 [sbp]

Yes

01:24:08 [Morbus]

no laughs in #evolt so he tries to get some here.

01:24:12 [sbp]

lol

01:24:15 [Morbus]

pathetic, sean, simply pathetic <g>

01:24:25 [sbp]

no, actually, I went to get a drink and a sandwich

01:24:34 [sbp]

and whilst I was out there, I was thinking of these things

01:24:51 [Morbus]

uh huh. you were lonely. i hope you're really drinking and eating, and not personifying your bologna.

01:24:51 [sbp]

cause you know, you have to pass the time somehow when spreading

01:25:00 [sbp]

of course I'm eating

01:26:08 [sbp]

[nibbling sounds]

01:26:13 [Morbus]

heh

01:26:20 [Morbus]

i got in contact with my sixth grade teacher recently

01:26:29 [sbp]

Uh huh?

01:26:31 [Morbus]

and she wants me to write a bio for the elementary school alumni page

01:26:34 [Morbus]

Hemenway, Kevin (Kimball '91) - Now a professional writer, and deeply

01:26:34 [Morbus]

embroiled in his own projects at Disobey.com, Kevin has fingers in

01:26:34 [Morbus]

many pies: programming, internet development, subcultural research,

01:26:34 [Morbus]

and other things that are finger licking good.

01:26:37 [Morbus]

argh. stupid. thing

01:26:41 [sbp]

lol

01:26:55 [sbp]

was Kimball your name back then?

01:27:03 [Morbus]

no, that was the schoool.

01:27:06 [sbp]

aha

01:27:07 [Morbus]

http://www.concord.k12.nh.us/schools/kimball/alumni.htm

01:28:45 [sbp]

heh. If I had to write one, it'd be "Palmer, Sean B. (date uncertain). You can't prove I went to this school! I reject my seedy past."

01:28:54 [Morbus]

hehehehe

01:29:01 [Morbus]

that's cool <g>

01:29:10 [sbp]

:-)

01:29:38 [AaronSw-bak]

* AaronSw-bak has returned

01:30:00 [sbp]

prove it

01:30:00 [AaronSw-bak]

Y- Young, Adam - pursuing a dream of playing football in the NFL

01:30:31 [AaronSw-bak]

wow, morbus is really young

01:30:46 [sbp]

yeah. Only 17! Who'd have thunk it?

01:30:53 [AaronSw-bak]

yeah, i know

01:30:56 [Morbus]

what?! i'm not 17. i'm 23.

01:31:13 [Morbus]

the hell are you pigeons talking about.

01:31:15 [AaronSw-bak]

13?!

01:31:22 [AaronSw-bak]

man, you're younger than i am

01:31:27 [sbp]

wow. *really* young

01:31:36 [Morbus]

do you guys play football?

01:31:42 [AaronSw-bak]

lol

01:31:53 [sbp]

Not American Football...

01:32:25 [sbp]

[Morbus' joke made funny courtesy of OLM]

01:32:37 [AaronSw-bak]

true

01:32:41 [Morbus]

OLM?

01:32:49 [sbp]

yeah. OLM

01:33:05 [sbp]

[OLM explanation of OLM here]

01:33:06 [AaronSw-bak]

[OLM def. of OLM]

01:33:11 [sbp]

heh!

01:33:18 [deltab]

n : European cave-dwelling aquatic salamander with permanent

01:33:18 [deltab]

external gills [syn: {Proteus anguinus}]

01:33:30 [AaronSw-bak]

an olm?

01:33:35 [deltab]

yep

01:34:22 [Morbus]

AaronSw-bak: can you install a cvs server on your box and host ampheta?

01:34:26 [Morbus]

er, host the ampheta cvs

01:34:34 [AaronSw-bak]

sure, but can't you?

01:34:52 [AaronSw-bak]

recent events have made it necessary for me to install cvs and viewcvs anyway

01:34:54 [Morbus]

nah, my boss doesn't want me doing that on the machine. i haven't asked him, but i know he wouldn't.

01:34:59 [AaronSw-bak]

ah

01:35:08 [AaronSw-bak]

is it just me or is dictionary.com down?

01:35:12 [Morbus]

i was thinking about putting it on my machine, but i only have a 56k box.

01:35:23 [AaronSw-bak]

and you're afraid of SF now?

01:35:43 [Morbus]

its just you.

01:35:47 [Morbus]

not afraid, worried, yeah.

01:35:59 [Morbus]

the only thing I really used over there was cvs anyways.

01:36:05 [Morbus]

the mL's are dead.

01:36:13 [Morbus]

and i leeched their download bandwidth.

01:36:18 [AaronSw-bak]

heh

01:36:25 [AaronSw-bak]

no leeching my bandwidth, tho

01:36:29 [Morbus]

awwww.

01:36:32 [Morbus]

* Morbus scuffs the dirt

01:36:37 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:36:50 [AaronSw-bak]

normally i wouldn't mind, but i'm not paying for this bandwidth

01:37:05 [sbp]

Morbus, slip him a cookie!

01:37:24 [AaronSw-bak]

didn't you hear me? I'm NOT paying for the bandwidth

01:37:25 [Morbus]

what if he doesn't accept it?!

01:37:31 [AaronSw-bak]

so slipping me the cookies does no good

01:37:40 [Morbus]

how much is bandwidth?

01:37:47 [Morbus]

disobey does about a gig a week

01:37:49 [Morbus]

not counting gamegre

01:38:02 [AaronSw-bak]

eek

01:38:28 [Morbus]

now you know why i wanted to shift 400+ megs a day to sf? ;)

01:38:39 [AaronSw-bak]

heh

01:38:40 [Morbus]

er, actually, my bad.

01:38:43 [Morbus]

50+ megs a day

01:38:44 [Morbus]

thats not so bad

01:38:50 [Morbus]

but still. it adds up ;)

01:38:57 [AaronSw-bak]

ok, time to go fix server.

01:39:01 [sbp]

ooh

01:39:04 [Morbus]

and fix it good this time

01:39:08 [Morbus]

and dont' drive there.

01:39:09 [sbp]

Operation Fix Vorpal

01:39:13 [Morbus]

last we need is your car breaking too

01:39:15 [sbp]

walk!

01:39:19 [AaronSw-bak]

AaronSw-bak has quit ("Operation Fix Vorpal")

01:39:23 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

01:39:50 [sbp]

wow, a #swhack without Aaron

01:39:56 [Morbus]

riot!

01:39:58 [Morbus]

coup!

01:40:01 [sbp]

quick, let's get up to mischief, and other forms of no good!

01:40:02 [Morbus]

bring down the wallllLLLlll!

01:40:04 [sbp]

right on!

01:40:10 [sbp]

revolution!

01:40:18 [Morbus]

la revolcion!

01:40:24 [sbp]

viva!

01:40:25 [Morbus]

er how ever you spell that funny foreign word!

01:40:38 [sbp]

revolutione?

01:40:40 [Morbus]

heh. ever heard of miva? the ecommerce stuff?

01:40:43 [Morbus]

viva la miva!

01:40:45 [sbp]

lol

01:41:32 [sbp]

well, I have to say, this riot sucks so far

01:41:41 [Morbus]

yeah, i got an email.

01:41:44 [sbp]

we're barely even rowdy!

01:41:48 [Morbus]

hold on. my cell is ringing now.

01:41:51 [sbp]

ah, right. Excuses excuses

01:41:53 [Morbus]

ooh jeez, i got an sms.

01:42:03 [Morbus]

billy wants to meet me at the coffee.

01:42:09 [sbp]

er... sure

01:42:12 [Morbus]

you know how i am without my double cafe with the sprinkles.

01:42:21 [sbp]

heh. Unfortunately, I do

01:42:23 [Morbus]

* Morbus puts a hat on, and prissies away

01:42:44 [sbp]

* sbp chortles a bit, and then settles down

01:43:05 [sbp]

Pff. How come I don't get invited to Coffee Houses?

01:43:27 [Morbus]

cos you keep trying to do that "milk out the nose" trick

01:43:30 [Morbus]

and it always ends up with you screaming

01:43:33 [Morbus]

its just embarrassing

01:43:38 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:44:37 [sbp]

Hmm... adjectives for chortle: chortly, chortular, enchortlified, chortlariffic, chortle-shaped

01:44:46 [Morbus]

enchortlified?!

01:44:50 [sbp]

yeah, sure

01:44:51 [Morbus]

holy fuck, that's hilarious.

01:44:59 [Morbus]

it sounds like something you'd buy at taco bell

01:45:05 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:45:17 [Morbus]

yeah, i'd like a chalupa, one of those big gulps, and a steak enchortalita.

01:46:11 [sbp]

.google enchortalita

01:46:11 [xena]

no results found.

01:46:21 [sbp]

.google chalupa

01:46:21 [xena]

chalupa: http://www.novogate.com/board/441

01:46:33 [sbp]

arse fecking nonsense

01:46:37 [sbp]

it asked for a password

01:46:56 [sbp]

.http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.novogate.com/board/441/

01:47:00 [xena]

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.novogate.com/board/441/. G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current page without highlighting. Google is not affiliated with the authors of this page nor responsible for its content. Drop the Chalupa - novogate.com Visit the Drop the Chalupa

01:47:01 [xena]

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01:47:01 [xena]

.. a very large amount of text.

01:47:16 [sbp]

well... that helped

01:48:39 [Morbus]

sbp: http://www.wingedcat.org/singulcard/

01:48:41 [Morbus]

interesting

01:49:03 [sbp]

oh dear. Hide it from Aaron!

01:49:08 [Morbus]

why?

01:49:19 [sbp]

he's obsessed with the Singularity

01:49:24 [sbp]

I think he craves it, really

01:49:32 [Morbus]

ahhhh

01:49:36 [Morbus]

good thing he's gone then

01:49:49 [sbp]

no, he'll read the logs, if I know his MO

01:49:58 [Morbus]

lets call in a favor to tav.

01:50:01 [sbp]

* sbp waves to the A-ster

01:50:08 [Morbus]

think he'll barter with me shutting up for the rest of my life? ;)

01:50:18 [sbp]

heh, but barter for what?

01:50:30 [Morbus]

pff. i dunno. that came outta nowhere.

01:51:18 [SeanP]

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01:51:36 [sbp]

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01:51:38 [SeanP]

SeanP is now known as sbp

01:51:46 [sbp]

yeah, this sucks

01:53:36 [sbp]

blow dry or perm, guv'ner?

01:53:48 [Morbus]

jeez.

01:53:59 [Morbus]

i meant to start 6 today, and instead, i'm just answering emails.

01:54:12 [sbp]

start writing bits of 6 to people

01:54:19 [sbp]

and then just cat your sent folder

01:54:35 [sbp]

people don't actually read your emails anyway, so it'll work out fine

01:54:54 [Morbus]

i thought so. that must be why I sent out so many of them. i'm just repeating myself.

01:54:59 [sbp]

you're what?

01:55:03 [Morbus]

(of the people n #ia who responded, i've sent the most)

01:55:07 [Morbus]

repeating myself.

01:55:09 [Morbus]

<g>

01:55:12 [sbp]

:-)

01:56:20 [sbp]

I think we should rename this channel to chuzzler

01:56:23 [sbp]

or chuzzlepot!

01:56:43 [sbp]

with adequate leading hashes, of course

01:56:56 [Morbus]

roald dahl, eat your heart out

01:57:40 [sbp]

well, when you linger on a channel for so long, you need a bit of a chance

01:57:45 [sbp]

or change

01:59:50 [sbp]

Once upon a time, there was an old supernatural camel groomer, named Sally

02:00:19 [sbp]

Sally had the unusual hobby of building fridges to store the camels in during the daytime when they got too hot

02:00:46 [sbp]

The camels prefered to have their balls clunked with bricks, frankly, so they decided to run away

02:01:25 [sbp]

So, late one night, they gagged Sally, threw her down a well, and ran off across the desert

02:01:47 [sbp]

Sally was lucky enough to land on Bob: a well-crab

02:02:07 [sbp]

However, Bob was no normal well-crab. Oh no! He was a magic well-crab

02:02:37 [sbp]

he could transform wonderful camel groomers into T.V. presenters, using an old crabby recipie handed down through his family

02:03:03 [sbp]

Sally very much wanted to be a T.V. presenter, so she did the crab a few favours (the nature of which I shall skip)

02:03:43 [sbp]

The crab asked his friend, Mr. Fizzlegunk, for a ladder, and Mr. F obliged. Sally clambered up the ladder to get the ingredients

02:04:39 [sbp]

In fact, there were only two ingredients. The first was a lump of traditional sugar, from the sugar trees of the enchanted forest

02:04:52 [sbp]

[hey, if sugar doesn't grow on trees, where else does it come from?]

02:05:15 [Morbus]

if salt destroys ice, and salt also destroys slugs, are slugs made of ice?

02:05:48 [sbp]

Salt destroys cars, too. Does that mean that slugs can drive?

02:05:53 [sbp]

all we can conclude is "yes"

02:05:58 [Morbus]

indeed.

02:06:04 [Morbus]

and if slugs can drive, that must mean they can get drunk too

02:06:11 [Morbus]

thus, slugs are mankillers.

02:06:13 [Morbus]

a war is on!

02:06:18 [Morbus]

attack! attack!

02:06:23 [sbp]

Start hoarding salt, people!

02:06:30 [Morbus]

i'm calling up Morton!

02:06:38 [Morbus]

.google morton salt products

02:06:39 [xena]

morton salt products: http://www.mortonsalt.com

02:06:57 [Morbus]

man, you know how funny that would be?

02:07:05 [sbp]

quite funny, I guess

02:07:07 [Morbus]

to actually call them up and talk about a slug invasion

02:07:11 [sbp]

lol

02:07:26 [Morbus]

heh, man, that would rock

02:07:46 [sbp]

I'd be like, "so, yeah: it's raining slugs over here! a full sliggy invasion!"

02:07:52 [sbp]

sluggy, rather

02:08:02 [Morbus]

they're slimy! they're everywhere...

02:08:05 [Morbus]

<dramatic pause>

02:08:06 [Morbus]

and they want...

02:08:08 [Morbus]

our woman!

02:08:13 [sbp]

aha: Get the answers to any of your questions from Morton's "seasoned" expert Rose.

02:08:20 [Morbus]

lol

02:08:22 [sbp]

so we'd just email her and ask

02:08:57 [Morbus]

.email morbus@disobey.com send email to rose @ mortonsalt.com

02:08:57 [xena]

email successfully sent.

02:09:03 [sbp]

heh

02:09:12 [Morbus]

i think i'm going to

02:09:22 [sbp]

take care to CC www-archive

02:09:32 [Morbus]

www-archive? why them?

02:09:37 [sbp]

so I can read it

02:09:45 [sbp]

along with the rest of the worl

02:09:45 [Morbus]

so won't everyone else though?

02:09:48 [AaronSw-bak]

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02:09:52 [Morbus]

i don't know this www-archive

02:09:53 [sbp]

he's bak!

02:10:03 [sbp]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/

02:10:13 [AaronSw-bak]

howdy

02:10:16 [sbp]

how goes it, Aaron?

02:10:23 [AaronSw-bak]

operation enduring fixing is looking up

02:10:27 [Morbus]

why would they want to read it?

02:10:38 [sbp]

because it'd rock

02:10:46 [sbp]

and just in case there actually is a slug invasion

02:10:50 [Morbus]

heh, heh

02:10:59 [Morbus]

how about you forward it to them?

02:11:01 [sbp]

because she'd most likely CC her tips to www-archive too

02:11:01 [AaronSw-bak]

we booted off a cd and nothing worked, but then we kept trying and it started working

02:11:09 [sbp]

forward: sure

02:11:10 [AaronSw-bak]

so now we're booting off the hd

02:11:16 [Morbus]

Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")

02:11:25 [sbp]

excellent

02:11:40 [sbp]

any sign yet of if it will all be recovered, and what went wrong?

02:11:52 [AaronSw-bak]

it looks like everything is still intact

02:11:56 [AaronSw-bak]

no idea what went wrong

02:11:57 [sbp]

so, as Morbus goes off to email salt experts about slug invasions...

02:12:01 [sbp]

ooh, that's good

02:12:15 [AaronSw-bak]

But still:

02:12:27 [AaronSw-bak]

Remember folks: Back it up. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.

02:12:32 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:12:46 [AaronSw-bak]

you have those in the UK?

02:13:02 [AaronSw-bak]

i know you have "don't fall down the stairs and die" signs, so i suspect so

02:13:03 [sbp]

We have those on The Simpons...

02:13:13 [sbp]

er... Simpsons

02:13:13 [AaronSw-bak]

Thought so. :)

02:14:05 [sbp]

like the new topic?

02:14:10 [AaronSw-bak]

heh, yeah

02:14:19 [sbp]

:-)

02:14:30 [AaronSw-bak]

you clever brits:

02:14:30 [AaronSw-bak]

A: instead of making stairs safer, how about we just put up signs to tell people not to kill themselves!

02:14:30 [AaronSw-bak]

B: but that's prime real estate for advertising!

02:14:30 [AaronSw-bak]

A: I know, we'll put them at the bottom of the stairs, where they're totally useless!

02:14:30 [AaronSw-bak]

B: Yes!

02:14:37 [deltab]

snicker-SNAP!

02:14:44 [AaronSw-bak]

heh

02:14:45 [sbp]

snack, deltab

02:14:52 [AaronSw-bak]

ooh, fsck is almost done

02:14:55 [AaronSw-bak]

cross your fingers

02:15:04 [deltab]

sbp: no, you see, vorpal broke

02:15:19 [sbp]

no, you don't get it. No way am I misquoting Mr. C

02:15:42 [sbp]

It's done not the done thing in polite circles

02:16:00 [sbp]

er... argh. Forget it. I'm sick of correcting my odd little grammar and spelling mistakes

02:16:04 [AaronSw-bak]

looking good....

02:16:06 [AaronSw-bak]

oh shoot

02:16:16 [AaronSw-bak]

python NULL pointer stack traces

02:16:25 [AaronSw-bak]

over and over and over again

02:16:29 [sbp]

?

02:16:47 [AaronSw-bak]

ick

02:17:47 [AaronSw-bak]

OK, i guess it's not fixed.

02:17:58 [sbp]

close but no cigar, eh?

02:18:25 [AaronSw-bak]

great: now the monitor is making loud scratching noises

02:19:13 [AaronSw-bak]

we thwapped it and it's fixed

02:19:28 [sbp]

heh; that's the best way to fix something

02:21:59 [sbp]

oh, I just realised that "snicker-snacks" are referenced in a Peanuts strip

02:22:42 [sbp]

now, why didn't I connect them before? odd

02:23:03 [sbp]

[more than one strip, in fact]

02:23:28 [sbp]

if I keep on typing, I think my words are going to fall off of the edge of the screen

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02:26:12 [sbp]

did you mail her?

02:26:18 [AaronSw-bak]

* AaronSw-bak is booting in "rescue" mode

02:26:45 [Morbus]

nope.

02:27:06 [sbp]

Pff. Make sure to do it by sundown. The slugs will regroup

02:27:38 [Morbus]

heh heh

02:28:19 [sbp]

Aaron is scuing Vorpal again...

02:28:38 [AaronSw-bak]

scuing?

02:28:43 [sbp]

yeah, again

02:28:59 [AaronSw-bak]

you know, the first machine i named snicker-snack was r00ted by a virus.

02:29:15 [sbp]

Hmm... you should have learned

02:29:39 [AaronSw-bak]

if this one was r00ted, it's the strangest thing i've ever seen

02:30:14 [sbp]

why?

02:30:52 [sbp]

symptoms?

02:30:59 [sbp]

prognosis? diagnosis?

02:32:51 [Morbus]

* Morbus dls the latest Software Updates

02:35:32 [sbp]

the problem with thin plextra is that they just split after a while

02:35:41 [sbp]

and you start missing chunks from them

02:35:45 [sbp]

er... plectra

02:36:04 [sbp]

anything under .5 is bound to split after a while

02:36:23 [sbp]

but anything above .65 is a bit to thick for most purposes

02:36:27 [sbp]

s/to/too/.

02:36:51 [AaronSw-bak]

well, we're still getting all these weird memory / stack dump messages at start, so we're thinking it might be hardware

02:36:53 [sbp]

and why do I always lose the buggers, too?

02:36:55 [AaronSw-bak]

calling dell

02:37:02 [sbp]

cool

02:37:27 [GabeW]

they ship with diagnostic software, don't they?

02:38:08 [AaronSw-bak]

doesn't seem like it

02:38:16 [AaronSw-bak]

i flipped thru the cd

02:38:17 [AaronSw-bak]

s

02:38:40 [sbp]

Hmm... http://www.fortepiano.com/plectra.htm#def seems to have it right

02:39:20 [sbp]

Dunno how they can class 0.61 as extra thick, though. I had a 3mm pick once

02:39:39 [sbp]

more of a bass plectrum, I suppose...

02:40:29 [GabeW]

oh its part of their image disk rpobably

02:40:44 [GabeW]

aren't there little linux distros that fit on a disk and do memory tests or seomthing?

02:41:14 [Morbus]

yeah, there's a well known rescue disk around somewhere

02:41:19 [Morbus]

course i don't remember anything about it.

02:41:23 [sbp]

wow, there are Tortex fins? Pff

02:42:39 [GabeW]

suse has a memory test in its installer I think

02:44:01 [GabeW]

'http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/

02:45:12 [GabeW]

its a disk image that boots and tests your x86-platform memory

02:45:18 [Morbus]

yup - its choosable at bootup (i use suse here)

02:45:39 [Morbus]

it takes forever though.

02:45:41 [AaronSw-bak]

can folks see vorpal.loigcerror.com?

02:46:01 [Morbus]

on a box with 256, we turned it on at 3, and it was just barely finished when i came in at 1 the next day

02:46:05 [sbp]

yes

02:46:33 [sbp]

wb, Vorpal...

02:47:06 [GabeW]

try memtest86

02:49:10 [GabeW]

* GabeW goes back to doing taxes

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02:49:41 [AaronSw-bak]

thanks GabeW!

02:50:14 [GabeW]

AaronSw-bak: hope it works

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03:01:47 [AaronSw-bak]

where's morbus? he said crucial memory was so good

03:20:39 [AaronSw-bak]

both crucial simms are dead

03:21:23 [AaronSw-bak]

geez this connection is fast!

03:21:28 [AaronSw-bak]

songs transfer instantly

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03:27:05 [AaronSw-bak]

GabeW, seems to have been the memory. your tester thing is great

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03:43:35 [AaronSw-bak]

* AaronSw-bak plays "Go Ask Alice"

03:44:10 [GabeW]

AaronSw-bak: kewlio!

03:44:27 [GabeW]

I'm happy too, cuz it appears that I"m getting a tax rebate

03:44:32 [AaronSw-bak]

nice!

03:44:55 [AaronSw-bak]

actually, after thinking about it, we thing that two memory SIMMs dying at hte exact same time and the exact same address space is a bit suspicious

03:45:03 [AaronSw-bak]

so we're thinking it might be the motherboard

03:45:11 [GabeW]

I've always owed (one year, very significantly) - this year, I *way* overpaid

03:45:15 [AaronSw-bak]

wow, nice!

03:45:16 [GabeW]

helps to be a new home owner too!

03:45:37 [AaronSw-bak]

heh

03:46:17 [GabeW]

it helps a butt load

03:46:32 [GabeW]

of course, around here, you pay a lot for that "privilege" =(

03:50:24 [AaronSw-bak]

how do i set the default hostname?

03:51:56 [AaronSw-bak]

ah, /etc/hostname

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03:56:32 [AaronSw-bak]

ok, vorpal should be back to normal now

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03:56:46 [AaronSw-bak]

anything seem odd, sbp?

03:57:09 [AaronSw]

ooh, cool

03:57:10 [AaronSw]

dirc is back

03:57:34 [AaronSw]

lag test

03:57:46 [AaronSw-bak]

eek, 10 seconds

03:57:49 [AaronSw-bak]

that's a bit odd

03:58:56 [AaronSw-bak]

going one way it's quite fast

03:59:00 [AaronSw]

but the other way is very slow

03:59:15 [AaronSw-bak]

ah, now it's down to 0 seconds

03:59:22 [AaronSw]

must've been server oddness

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04:05:29 [sbp]

Hi rm

04:05:50 [SeanP]

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04:06:01 [rm]

howdy

04:06:26 [SeanP]

aaaaah

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04:06:55 [sbp]

gj, Aaron

04:07:12 [AaronSw]

gj?

04:07:31 [sbp]

good job

04:07:57 [AaronSw]

ah, thanks

04:08:09 [AaronSw]

i guess we'll have to call dell service now...

04:08:32 [sbp]

heh, so you weren't rooted

04:09:09 [AaronSw]

doesn't seem like it

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04:09:57 [sbp]

* sbp reorders some windows

04:11:52 [sbp]

* sbp is reading a very interesting article about abusive language

04:12:20 [rm]

re: dell - what's up aaron?

04:12:53 [AaronSw]

seems the memory or memory connection on my server is blown

04:12:59 [AaronSw]

sbp, link?

04:16:19 [sbp]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.thenewrepublic.com/011402/mcwhorter011402.html

04:16:22 [sbp]

and http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.thenewrepublic.com/011402/2mcwhorter011402.html

04:16:54 [AaronSw]

is that the liberal one?

04:17:02 [sbp]

liberal what?

04:17:20 [AaronSw]

magazine

04:17:28 [sbp]

[from a Google search on words whose meanings have changed over time, BTW]

04:17:37 [sbp]

I don't think I've come across the magazine before

04:17:51 [sbp]

all I know is that it borks its links, but publishes good articles

04:18:16 [AaronSw]

heh

04:18:57 [AaronSw]

gotta run... bbiab

04:19:02 [AaronSw]

going home

04:19:57 [sbp]

c'ya

04:20:02 [rm]

ciao

04:20:17 [sbp]

Hmm... actually, the rest of the site isn't all that good, from a cursory investigation

04:39:18 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is back

04:40:45 [sbp]

wb

04:42:52 [rm]

hi ho

04:45:30 [sbp]

Silver, and away!

04:45:55 [sbp]

or "silver lining", if you're a Jeff Beck fan

04:53:01 [AaronSw]

Heh. David McCusker:

04:53:08 [AaronSw]

[on printing his own Magic cards]

04:53:19 [AaronSw]

When I showed Lisa, she told Kyle this was "just like Napster."

04:53:19 [AaronSw]

Daddy had used the internet to "steal free downloadable content."

04:53:19 [AaronSw]

Kyle said, "Ooh, that's naughty." (He's 10; how would he know?)

04:53:19 [AaronSw]

I explained the cards were no longer distributed by manufacture.

04:53:19 [AaronSw]

I think it would be wrong to print copies of new available cards.

04:53:27 [AaronSw]

- http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newMar02.htm#03mar02-fair-use

04:53:35 [rm]

yeah - good stuff

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05:03:27 [sbp]

Hmm... Linger is a good song. The 90's weren't a waste of time! [like that 80's]

05:03:31 [sbp]

s/that/the/

05:03:35 [sbp]

what is it with me typing completely different squirrels from the ones that I mean to type? I got Hush the other day too... man, I love that song. it's bizzare - there were quite a few bands in the 90's that did like one or two good songs

05:03:43 [sbp]

happy now?

05:08:19 [sbp]

I wrote a good arpeggio last night

05:08:32 [sbp]

I like #plexnow. It's the new #swhack, and the new #plex!

05:08:37 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh.

05:08:44 [sbp]

two-in-one

05:08:48 [sbp]

'sgreat

05:10:37 [sbp]

how can you steal something that's free?

05:10:45 [AaronSw]

Beats me.

05:10:58 [AaronSw]

I've never understood hat.

05:11:00 [AaronSw]

err that

05:11:13 [deltab]

by depriving other people of it, presumably

05:11:25 [sbp]

heh, I almost stole a leaflet once. Some shop had these cool leaflets for electical items, and in most shops, they're free. In fact, in all shops, they're free. They're leaflets to make you buy the products

05:11:39 [sbp]

in fact, this store was charging 10p for its leaflets

05:11:49 [sbp]

someone pointed this out to me just before I walked off with it

05:12:03 [sbp]

needless to say, that store did not retain my custom

05:12:33 [sbp]

I mean, that's like charging you to watch adverts

05:13:37 [sbp]

s/stole/accidentally stole/

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05:44:36 [AaronSw]

lol. from my email: "and wtf are you doing with zope????? have you no self-respect?

05:44:36 [AaronSw]

"

05:45:10 [sbp]

heh, heh

05:45:19 [AaronSw]

wow, someone's doing an RSS reader for gopher

05:51:37 [AaronSw]

jeremiah, are you free?

06:02:32 [AaronSw]

gopher rss reader: gopher://gopher.publication.org.uk/1/rdf

06:03:08 [sbp]

cool: gopher://gopher.publication.org.uk/1/grass%3Fslashdot

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06:06:37 [sbp]

@ http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=%3Ca5sc5m%24de9%241%40nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov%3E

06:06:44 [chumpster]

A: Google Search: from sbp

06:07:13 [sbp]

A:|Pioneer-10 30 Year Launch Anniversary Track

06:07:14 [chumpster]

titled item A

06:07:25 [sbp]

A::From Larry Lasher, Pioneer Project Manager

06:07:26 [chumpster]

commented item A

06:07:45 [sbp]

A::"""Pioneer-10 was successfully contacted today.""" 30 years after its launch

06:07:46 [chumpster]

commented item A

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06:20:35 [sbp]

Gotta run

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07:07:52 [AaronSw]

@ http://plexnow.com/

07:07:55 [chumpster]

B: http://plexnow.com/ from AaronSw

07:08:06 [AaronSw]

B:|The New Plex Project Web Site

07:08:07 [chumpster]

titled item B

07:24:49 [AaronSw]

@ http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/18/speakers.html

07:24:50 [chumpster]

C: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/18/speakers.html from AaronSw

07:25:02 [AaronSw]

C:|Speakers at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference

07:25:03 [chumpster]

titled item C

07:25:34 [AaronSw]

C::Now that [I'm being flown to the conference|http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000174], I'm checking out the speaker's list, and it looks awesome.

07:25:36 [chumpster]

commented item C

07:30:23 [AaronSw]

C::A sample: Justin "SwarmCast" Chapweske, Roger "reputation" Dingledine, Cory "BoingBoing" Doctorow, Rob "Pringles Can" Flickenger, Brewster "Web Archive" Kahle, Rohit "FoRK" Khare, Carl "net.hero" Malamud, Robert "worm" Morris, Peter "RISKS" Neumann, David "End-To-End" Reed, Bruce "Crypto-Gram" Schneier, Marc "E" Stiegler, Vipul "razor" Prakash, Zooko "Mnet" Ozooko, Dave "Frontier" Winer.

07:30:25 [chumpster]

commented item C

07:33:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away: sleep

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14:52:22 [AaronSw]

A::Awesome!

14:52:26 [chumpster]

commented item A

14:52:57 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Life's too short for faulty motherboards

14:53:33 [GabeW]

motherboard problems, AaronSw?

14:53:37 [GabeW]

not memory?

14:53:47 [AaronSw]

we think so

14:54:03 [AaronSw]

since the memtester showed that both of the two memory simms failed at the same place

14:54:06 [GabeW]

huh.. i gotta say, thats extremeley rare

14:54:10 [AaronSw]

and of course, they died at the same time

14:54:27 [GabeW]

is dell going to send a guy to fix it?

14:54:52 [AaronSw]

i seriously doubt it

14:55:03 [GabeW]

did you get on site service with it?

14:55:11 [AaronSw]

hm, i think so.

14:55:13 [GabeW]

When my power supply went out, they sent a guy out to replace it next day

14:55:31 [AaronSw]

wow, i would have thought they'd do everything they can to avoid sending someone out

14:55:41 [GabeW]

well, they contract it out, of course

14:56:16 [GabeW]

its just as easy to just fix it than spend a bunch of time on the phone having you plug and unplug things

14:56:44 [GabeW]

did you try calling them and getting someone out to replace the mobo?

14:57:10 [GabeW]

* GabeW is up very early because a smoke detector was beeping and I had to replace the battery and since I"m up I'll go vote

14:57:18 [AaronSw]

Heh.

14:57:36 [AaronSw]

No, haven't gotten around to calling them -- i'm looking around on their website for a number and stuff

14:58:56 [AaronSw]

I guess I want System support...

15:03:28 [GabeW]

yeah

15:03:53 [GabeW]

you should have a tag on the back of your machine with a alphanumerical 5 alphanum code

15:04:04 [GabeW]

thats your "express code" and you just have to use that

15:04:11 [GabeW]

anyway, i'm off to vote

15:04:19 [AaronSw]

ok, c'ya

15:04:26 [GabeW]

I've been so busy,I have no idea what to vote for (or who)

15:04:32 [AaronSw]

Heh.

15:04:37 [AaronSw]

Quick, Google on the candidates!

15:04:43 [GabeW]

hehe

15:04:48 [AaronSw]

Don't pick the one that's spamming!

15:05:02 [GabeW]

uh, no problem there (I did get spammed) - he's not in my party

15:05:15 [GabeW]

its just primaries today

15:05:17 [GabeW]

anyway, ttyl

15:05:22 [AaronSw]

ah. c'ya

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15:10:13 [Morbus]

AaronSw, you here?

15:10:15 [Morbus]

or sbp?

15:10:18 [AaronSw]

yeah

15:10:34 [Morbus]

hey, this "snicker snack" thing you were talking about yesterday. tell me more abut the history of the name.

15:10:39 [Morbus]

where'd it come from, etc.

15:10:47 [AaronSw]

name of what?

15:10:52 [AaronSw]

vorpal?

15:11:15 [AaronSw]

'tis from the jabberwocky, my son

15:11:18 [Morbus]

i dunno. someone mentioned something like "snickety snakc' or "snicker snack" and then a little bit later lewis carrol

15:11:21 [Morbus]

right, ok, thought so.

15:11:28 [Morbus]

snicker snack, as well?

15:11:42 [AaronSw]

the vorpal blade went snicker-snack

15:11:42 [AaronSw]

one two one two and thru and thru

15:11:51 [Morbus]

do you know the complete phrase, or the surrounding...

15:11:54 [Morbus]

perfect. thanks.

15:12:04 [AaronSw]

oops, i think i got those lines backwards

15:12:19 [AaronSw]

it's a great poem, go read it: http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html

15:12:43 [Morbus]

read it in the past, just couldn't trustfully place it myself, thus i'm here.

15:13:15 [Morbus]

beginning of #6, super rough:

15:13:15 [Morbus]

<p>It's quiet. Yes, stereotypically <strong>too</strong> quiet. The tickety-clack, snickety-snack of typing continues uninterrupted, save for a gurgle here and there from the bubbler down the hall. Lewis and Carroll, normally jibber-jabbering are strangely calm-and-cool. What's going on around here?!</p>

15:13:16 [Morbus]

<p>Complacency.</p>

15:13:52 [AaronSw]

Lewis and Carroll?

15:14:23 [Morbus]

yeah. two employees at GatesMcFaddenCo ;)

15:14:31 [AaronSw]

Heh

15:14:33 [AaronSw]

"Thank you for contacting Dell US eSupport. An artificial intelligence tool designed to interpret your message and respond quickly will conduct this first reply to your message. The first paragraph of the response should tell you whether the document accurately addresses your question."

15:14:56 [Morbus]

heh, heh

15:15:51 [Morbus]

i'm leeching game mp3s from usenet. i'm 'reet.

15:16:37 [AaronSw]

heh

15:22:57 [Morbus]

what are you doing?

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15:23:08 [AaronSw]

talli!

15:23:14 [Morbus]

morning talli.

15:23:17 [talli]

don't talli me you little bastard!

15:23:20 [Morbus]

who's talli?

15:23:22 [talli]

hello everyone

15:23:25 [talli]

i am a god!

15:23:42 [AaronSw]

i can't wait for talli and tav to meet. there'll probably some nuclear explosion

15:23:42 [talli]

hazmat is here too???

15:23:49 [talli]

this must be some kind of zope cabal

15:23:53 [Morbus]

heh, oh joy.

15:23:59 [Morbus]

who is talli?

15:23:59 [Morbus]

i don't know who you are.

15:23:59 [AaronSw]

Heh heh

15:24:04 [Morbus]

i'm woefully unrehearsed.

15:24:13 [talli]

Morbus, you don't want to know who i am. i am your worst nightmare

15:24:22 [talli]

unless you can soothe me with candy and chocolate

15:24:26 [Morbus]

uh huh.

15:24:26 [Morbus]

mmmkay.

15:24:28 [talli]

then i'm a teddy bear

15:24:40 [talli]

AaronSw, what's all this zope nonsense?

15:24:47 [talli]

has hazmat been corrupting you?

15:24:51 [AaronSw]

and tav!

15:24:53 [Morbus]

ah, i've been known to woo my way into many a man's heart.

15:24:53 [Morbus]

unless you're a chick

15:24:58 [Morbus]

than, that too

15:25:00 [AaronSw]

they knocked me out and gave me some zope soap

15:25:03 [talli]

Morbus, are you a lady?

15:25:12 [Morbus]

up the bum.

15:25:12 [talli]

i'm not used to being in irc channels with ladies

15:25:18 [talli]

ah, ok

15:25:19 [talli]

better

15:25:21 [AaronSw]

.google morbus

15:25:21 [xena]

morbus: http://www.disobey.com

15:25:54 [Morbus]

* Morbus waves

15:26:10 [talli]

ah, ok

15:26:45 [talli]

who is this tav person? does he dare challenge my status as biggest mouth on openprojects?

15:27:08 [Morbus]

.google talli

15:27:08 [xena]

talli: http://www.kolumbus.fi/kiahan.talli

15:27:10 [AaronSw]

until recently, tav had his big mouth open on just about every decent OPN channel

15:27:20 [Morbus]

heh, heh

15:27:43 [Morbus]

and then i started waxing poetic and he hated me.

15:27:53 [talli]

xena, i'm the third schnauzer puppy from the left

15:27:57 [talli]

or maybe it's the right

15:28:17 [talli]

Morbus, you're supposed to wax your hairy back, but poetry

15:28:23 [Morbus]

depends which way you're facing

15:28:24 [talli]

try that next time

15:28:37 [AaronSw]

man, ora is slow today

15:28:41 [Morbus]

well, my back has a lot of pimples.

15:28:54 [Morbus]

and the last time i combined creme and wax, i looked like one of those life saves cream sucker things

15:28:59 [talli]

wow. there must be no women in this channel

15:29:15 [AaronSw]

k, so morbus looks like this: http://www.oreillynet.com/images/people/morbus_iff.jpg

15:29:21 [Morbus]

all the women are in #infoanarchy

15:29:34 [Morbus]

heh.

15:29:43 [Morbus]

there are some on http://www.disobey.com/about/morbus.shtml too

15:31:43 [talli]

ah, so you're a long hair, huh?

15:32:01 [talli]

hippy

15:32:06 [Morbus]

yup, due to laziness, not choice.

15:32:11 [Morbus]

hardly

15:32:17 [talli]

damn laziness!

15:32:33 [Morbus]

and hubris!

15:32:35 [talli]

that dastardly viper with his chicanery!

15:32:41 [talli]

ah, hubris is my friend.

15:32:58 [Morbus]

oh!? good, good.

15:33:01 [talli]

without it, i would wear pants when i went to church

15:33:25 [Morbus]

you go to church?

15:34:30 [AaronSw]

talli ought to be a controlled substance

15:34:49 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

15:36:14 [talli]

i only go to church when the pope's in town

15:36:38 [Morbus]

ah. you email him the other times?

15:36:40 [talli]

what the hell is the point of this channel, btw? other than to feed AaronSw's considerable ego...

15:36:45 [talli]

he emails me!

15:37:07 [Morbus]

asking for advice. mmhmm.

15:37:23 [talli]

on what?

15:37:28 [Morbus]

give thee to swhackery

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15:37:53 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves bye bye

15:38:10 [Morbus]

castration, i'd suppose.

15:38:14 [talli]

oof.

15:38:23 [talli]

in that case, i'm going back under my rock

15:38:25 [talli]

ciao ciao ciao

15:38:28 [talli]

nice meeting you Morbus

15:38:31 [talli]

see you soon

15:38:42 [Morbus]

wha?

15:38:47 [Morbus]

hey don't leave cos of what the pope told me.

15:39:04 [talli]

* talli throws down a pellet and disappears in a burst of smoke

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15:39:26 [Morbus]

* Morbus whips out his pokeball.

15:39:26 [Morbus]

dammit! too fast for me.l

15:39:29 [AaronSw]

heh

15:39:31 [Morbus]

i didn't do it, AaronSw.

15:39:40 [AaronSw]

yeah, right

15:39:53 [AaronSw]

.seen talli

15:39:53 [xena]

talli seen leaving #swhack [ ] ~ 47 sec(s) ago

15:39:58 [Morbus]

hehehehe. i didn't mean too <g>

15:41:08 [Morbus]

whoo hoo. got my intro done. i'm ahead of the game.

16:14:39 [AaronSw]

ooh, McCusker reads my weblog!

16:16:22 [Morbus]

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16:22:26 [AaronSw]

Wow, Cory's working for the EFF.

17:09:35 [AaronSw]

man, adium rocks

17:09:55 [AaronSw]

@ http://homepage.mac.com/adamiser/Adium/

17:10:00 [chumpster]

D: AdamIser : Adium : Info from AaronSw

17:10:13 [AaronSw]

D:|Adium: A beautiful AOL Instant Messaging Client for Mac OS X

17:10:14 [chumpster]

titled item D

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18:01:21 [Morbus]

was it a faulty motherboard, AaronSw?

18:01:29 [AaronSw]

probably

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18:38:39 [sbp]

Morbus: "Snicker-snacks" are mentioned in Peanuts strips, too

18:39:36 [Morbus]

yeah? didn't know that.

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20:28:47 [Morbus]

aaarron.

20:28:52 [Morbus]

i neeeed you

20:51:53 [AaronSw]

morbus

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21:08:56 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw cleans up some window clutter

21:10:39 [Morbus]

* Morbus just finishes install a buttload of updates from suse.

21:10:55 [AaronSw]

with debian you can just type apt-get upgrade ;_

21:10:58 [AaronSw]

err ;)

21:11:44 [Morbus]

yeah, i just 'yast2', it shows me everything avail and then i pick and choose.

21:11:54 [AaronSw]

neat

21:11:54 [Morbus]

i don't like auto upgraders. i like seeing what's happening myself.

21:12:51 [Morbus]

would you believe that i don't have fink installed? i started to try and get X11, and due ot modem issues with 10.1.0, i kept getting disconnected.

21:13:01 [Morbus]

oh yeah, hsa your dad had that 1969 error anymore?

21:13:07 [Morbus]

after i upgraded to 10.1.3, i haven't seen it at all.

21:14:17 [AaronSw]

no fink?!

21:14:19 [AaronSw]

go get it now

21:14:28 [AaronSw]

no, i don't think he's had the 1969 thing

21:14:42 [Morbus]

heh, i keep meaning too, but the benefits of installing fink keep leaving me with "why"?

21:14:50 [Morbus]

there's no reason for me to install fink right now - i have no need of it.

21:16:13 [AaronSw]

you never compile software?

21:16:49 [AaronSw]

sbp: " I like small practical applications, and throw-away RegExps."

21:16:51 [AaronSw]

he's not kidding about the regexps ;)

21:17:03 [sbp]

heh, true

21:18:21 [AaronSw]

"I argue that arguing is overrated. It is much more sensible to consider the important questions in life: why is being encouraged to be sensible a fact of life?"

21:19:17 [sbp]

heh, heh. And "why is arging overrated?"

21:20:27 [AaronSw]

you know your robust signature is out of date

21:20:45 [sbp]

my "robust" signature?

21:20:46 [AaronSw]

and would you mind changing the Plex link to point at plexnow.com?

21:20:53 [AaronSw]

"swhack html nounism seanpalmer infomesh rdfig mysterylights swad repurpose philisophical"

21:20:58 [sbp]

oh, right

21:21:01 [sbp]

true

21:21:09 [sbp]

but if I change it, it'll change again!

21:21:13 [AaronSw]

:-)

21:21:23 [sbp]

* sbp changes the Plex link

21:24:44 [sbp]

There you go

21:24:51 [AaronSw]

thanks

21:24:55 [AaronSw]

we'll be on google in no time, now ;)

21:25:38 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:26:22 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw adds a travel schedule to his website

21:30:33 [Morbus]

.email morbus@disobey.com cancel blogger account

21:30:33 [xena]

email successfully sent.

21:34:11 [AaronSw]

heh

21:35:56 [Morbus]

been meaning to for a while. just keep forgetting.

21:38:15 [Morbus]

whoo. syncasaurus saved the day!

21:38:25 [Morbus]

i accidentally deleted one of my folders in my bookmarks.

21:38:27 [AaronSw]

is it done yet?

21:38:32 [Morbus]

which for me, means the lost of hundreds of bookmarks.

21:38:48 [Morbus]

thankfully, i had a converted back up from synca, and three lines of perl later, all was merged and restored.

21:38:53 [Morbus]

no, its no where near completion.

21:38:59 [Morbus]

haven't worked on it since last i mentioned it.

21:39:16 [Morbus]

i may merge a small part of it into amphetadesk as a plugin, but that may or may not happen.

21:39:34 [Morbus]

right now, its solved MY problems, so i have little impetus to make it solve everyone else's right now - at least with the very little time i have right now

21:53:27 [AaronSw]

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/048/nation/Road_scholar_finds_home_at_MIT+.shtml

21:53:36 [AaronSw]

Morbus, yeah makes sense

21:54:00 [sbp]

crap!

21:54:03 [sbp]

Gotta run

22:04:12 [Morbus]

AaronSw: would you want something like that in ampheta? here's the idea:

22:04:42 [Morbus]

ampheta will eventually support streaming subscriptions to a diff location (ftp, http, etc.) so that you can sync them up on different boxes.

22:04:57 [Morbus]

thus, the code written for that would work nearly identitical to the original premise of syncassaurus.

22:05:34 [Morbus]

so, there'd be a "My Bookmarks" page in Ampheta that you could view (a page so that you can view it from outside your own machine, etc.) plus it would syncrhonize all your bookmarks on the machine ampheta was stored on.

22:05:34 [AaronSw]

what would you be streaming? the rss files?

22:05:38 [Morbus]

on and offable, of course.

22:05:43 [Morbus]

well, um, not streaming, uploading. whatever.

22:05:52 [AaronSw]

still, the rss files/

22:05:56 [AaronSw]

s/\//?/

22:05:59 [Morbus]

yeah, the OPML files that contain your current subscriptions.

22:06:06 [Morbus]

for the bookmarks, they'd be XBEL files.

22:06:08 [AaronSw]

neat

22:06:28 [Morbus]

i mean, the code's already written for syncasaurus, and easy to add to ampheta, so it'd be a easy to do plugin.

22:06:36 [Morbus]

that is, if i ever get time to finish this current revision.

22:06:43 [Morbus]

the new template system i've got going is really nice.

22:07:05 [Morbus]

allows pure perl in the templates, so you can really do anything you want with the data.

22:07:26 [Morbus]

like chop at 1000 words, etc.

22:07:47 [Morbus]

in the current system, the most you can do is stick the data in different places - you can't really mess with it.

22:08:08 [AaronSw]

cool

22:11:08 [Morbus]

chumpster, list

22:11:17 [Morbus]

chumpster, help

22:11:27 [AaronSw]

/msg chumpster help

22:11:46 [AaronSw]

/msg chumpster view

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22:16:08 [Morbus]

D::I've always been a fan of Fire, although Proteus is making leaps and bounds in the multi-IM department. The GUI just doesn't sit with me. I've heard good things about Adium from a number of people though.

22:16:12 [chumpster]

commented item D

22:19:12 [AaronSw]

ooh, we're getting a NeXT Cube!

22:21:49 [Morbus]

your family is?

22:22:04 [AaronSw]

yeah

22:22:26 [Morbus]

cool.

22:24:58 [AaronSw]

Now I can whine about how OS X took out all the good stuff. ;-)

22:27:44 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

22:28:27 [sbp]

* sbp returns

22:28:29 [sbp]

ooh, NeXT

22:28:33 [sbp]

run WorldWideWeb on it!

22:28:41 [AaronSw]

ooh, yeah!

22:29:35 [Morbus]

argh.

22:29:47 [Morbus]

too manhy flipping rss feeds use relative links

22:29:55 [Morbus]

forwarding address, for one.

22:30:10 [AaronSw]

Hm.

22:30:30 [deltab]

so? you have the source URI, don't you?

22:31:34 [AaronSw]

i don't get the name of 'forwarding address'

22:31:47 [Morbus]

yeah, i do. but not the code that handles the comparision of relative and absolute's.

22:32:09 [Morbus]

.email morbus@disobey.com add code to ampheta to check for relative links and prepend channel->link to them

22:32:09 [xena]

email successfully sent.

22:32:18 [Morbus]

next version ;)

22:39:50 [Morbus]

oOOh: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000174

22:39:58 [AaronSw]

yeah :)

22:40:34 [Morbus]

oh hey, what are your photo albums in - custom python?

22:40:44 [Morbus]

i need a photo album, and everything i've found in php/perl sucks ass.

22:40:57 [Morbus]

so i'm writing one as the demo walkthrough app for the next few articles in the apache/os x series

22:44:23 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Swhack: home of drain-yetis, and competent motherboard repairsmen

22:46:16 [AaronSw]

Morbus, how about Gallery?

22:46:17 [sbp]

it was a toss-up between that and "The pig ate our uranium!"

22:47:50 [Morbus]

AaronSw: gallery looked good to me, (that and perl's IDS.sf.net), but the problems with both of them is that i can't add new field types.

22:47:56 [Morbus]

i need to add year, manufacturer, etc.

22:48:06 [AaronSw]

ah

22:48:12 [Morbus]

i did a couple hour search on fm/sf a few days ago, and only came up with those two as being close to what i wanted.

22:48:23 [Morbus]

ids is ruled out because it doesn't survive under load.

22:48:34 [Morbus]

so even though I could hack it to include multiple addtl field types, it'd never survive

22:48:36 [AaronSw]

zope's photo album is very nice, imo

22:48:41 [sbp]

weren't we meant to be working on an RDF photo metadata framework?

22:48:48 [AaronSw]

yeah...

22:48:53 [Morbus]

yeah, you had mentioned that a while ago.

22:48:55 [AaronSw]

aaronsw.com/photos/ :)

22:49:02 [AaronSw]

it's got extensible field types

22:49:07 [Morbus]

yeah, i don't have python installed on my box though

22:49:09 [Morbus]

nor zope.

22:49:26 [AaronSw]

go get python! now! now!

22:49:31 [AaronSw]

:-)

22:49:38 [Morbus]

thats what sbp said ;)

22:49:38 [sbp]

yeah, your lack of Python is sickening to me

22:50:55 [sbp]

I think it's sad that there are machines out there that exist and yet *don't* have Python installed

22:51:20 [sbp]

having Python is much more important than, say, having a monitor or a keyboard

22:55:52 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of cool people I've met

22:55:57 [sbp]

me!

22:56:04 [AaronSw]

ah!

22:56:33 [AaronSw]

"I've met some famous people like: Tim Berners-Lee, Wes Felter, John Mahoney, Studs Terkel, Douglas Engelbart and Ted Nelson, Mark Bernstein, Sean B. Palmer."

22:56:44 [sbp]

heh. I don't quite fit in

22:57:08 [sbp]

WL

22:57:55 [sbp]

I met Andy Green

22:58:43 [AaronSw]

the auto racer?

22:58:52 [Morbus]

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22:59:03 [sbp]

er... pilot/fastest guy on Earth

22:59:13 [AaronSw]

yeah

22:59:15 [sbp]

and I've met Kris Akabusi...

22:59:24 [sbp]

Hmm... who else?

22:59:35 [AaronSw]

the higly motivated athlete?

22:59:47 [sbp]

oh, Harry Kroto

22:59:54 [sbp]

yep

23:00:01 [sbp]

John Barrow...

23:00:38 [AaronSw]

oh, larry lessig

23:00:54 [sbp]

a friend of mine worked at a shop that Paul McCartney visted... but he wasn't working there on that day

23:00:58 [sbp]

man, he was kicking himself

23:01:05 [AaronSw]

heh!

23:01:13 [sbp]

it's funny, because we used to call into the shop for him too sometimes

23:03:56 [sbp]

I can't imagine him serving Paul McCartney, though. He'd have passed out

23:04:09 [AaronSw]

Heh!

23:04:54 [AaronSw]

John D. Barrow?

23:04:59 [sbp]

yep

23:05:04 [AaronSw]

wow, neat

23:05:09 [sbp]

he's an incredible guy

23:10:48 [sbp]

So are you saying that we need to meet more famous people?

23:10:58 [sbp]

Perhaps I should invite Madonna round for tea

23:11:06 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

23:11:18 [AaronSw]

I just like keeping track of things like that

23:11:34 [sbp]

you big narcissist namedropper, you

23:11:39 [AaronSw]

that's me

23:11:47 [Morbus]

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23:12:09 [sbp]

then again, I mention Morbus in every other conversation

23:12:23 [Morbus]

hmm?

23:12:39 [sbp]

usually disparagingly... but still

23:13:34 [sbp]

Morbus: the logs! read the logs!"

23:13:51 [Morbus]

* Morbus grumbles

23:14:30 [Morbus]

logster, where am I?

23:14:34 [Morbus]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-03-05#T23-14-30

23:14:51 [Morbus]

stupid snak

23:14:53 [Morbus]

http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-03-05%23T23-14-30

23:14:55 [Morbus]

it converts to that.

23:15:00 [Morbus]

or the browser does. or something does.

23:15:01 [sbp]

heh

23:15:23 [sbp]

Aaron, there's another freakish implementation for you!

23:15:41 [AaronSw]

yeah, it's built into mac os x

23:16:03 [Morbus]

those logsm ade no sense <G>

23:16:19 [sbp]

sure they did

23:16:38 [Morbus]

nuh uh!

23:16:48 [Morbus]

* Morbus is back to leeching game mp3s.

23:16:56 [Morbus]

goddamit.

23:16:58 [sbp]

I called Aaron a big narcissistic namedropper. He called me a perverted nonsensical hose pipe. I said true, because I drop Morbus's name into ever other conversation

23:17:00 [Morbus]

the stupid ones I was leeching just expired from my erver

23:18:35 [sbp]

well, he didn't call me that. But I'll bet he thought it

23:19:32 [Morbus]

someone remind me in 15 minutes that i have hot wings in the oven

23:20:33 [Morbus]

i'm gonna work on my article for a few hours, then I hope to attack ampheta some more. whee.

23:23:17 [sbp]

Hmph, good idea

23:25:24 [Morbus]

i'll be mainly focusing on converting over "My Channels" to the new format, with md5 ids, last_modified, date_added, etc.

23:25:43 [Morbus]

nothing that will be used for a bit, but useful in the future.

23:30:56 [sbp]

Hmm... I think I'll just assemble a selection of quotes from my new art., and destroy the rest. This "construction kit" style of writing isn't working

23:33:14 [sbp]

Morbus?!

23:33:14 [sbp]

Moooooorrrrrrrbbus!!!

23:33:15 [sbp]

Hot wings!

23:33:48 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

23:33:57 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of something to do

23:33:57 [Morbus]

oh poo!

23:34:03 [Morbus]

* Morbus scrambles

23:34:10 [sbp]

eat a shoe

23:34:19 [AaronSw]

something good

23:34:38 [Morbus]

dammit, i burn them

23:34:44 [Morbus]

my oven is the fucking devil.

23:35:05 [Morbus]

i could turn it to 100 degrees for something that takes 20 minutes at 400, and the damn things would be burnt at the 10 minute mark

23:35:22 [Morbus]

i mean, these things were supposed to take 18 to 21 minutes.

23:35:29 [Morbus]

and at the 15 minute mark, they're burnt

23:36:01 [AaronSw]

it loves you

23:36:15 [Morbus]

ack!

23:36:15 [Morbus]

how funny.

23:36:21 [Morbus]

i just wrote this sentence:

23:36:21 [Morbus]

In these dull times, you've got plenty of freedom to dive deeper into the Apache Love Pit of Satisfaction.

23:36:30 [AaronSw]

Heh heh

23:38:10 [Morbus]

afk for a bit

23:38:26 [AaronSw]

Wow, TimO has major google power

23:40:10 [sbp]

ta da:-

23:40:11 [sbp]

$ python -c "import sha512; print sha512.new(open('Writing.html', 'r').read()).hexdigest()"

23:40:11 [sbp]

3495b289f683deb74d9d5450caa928c7676694f73fe3e2a751f988fa5b4a524a171bea2f46f9788f076ecda6d245982eaadc2aa58eede627b98032c54d30ffad

23:40:15 [sbp]

$ rm Writing.html

23:42:38 [sbp]

and the quotes: http://infomesh.net/2002/Writing.txt

23:42:49 [AaronSw]

noooooo!

23:43:15 [AaronSw]

sbp is very good at torture

23:43:18 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:43:25 [sbp]

innocent bytes, eh?

23:43:42 [sbp]

hey, you have the good bits right there on the Web

23:43:44 [AaronSw]

indeed.

23:43:54 [AaronSw]

yeah, but who knows whehter the rest was good

23:44:22 [sbp]

it was crud

23:44:28 [AaronSw]

re poems: have you seen the jabberwocky translations? what you said just isn't true

23:44:58 [sbp]

it's true for the general case

23:47:36 [AaronSw]

jabberwocky has to be the hardest to translate poem ever

23:47:48 [AaronSw]

sorry, was bring the cube upstairs

23:47:51 [AaronSw]

it's here! it's here!

23:48:24 [AaronSw]

Heh! it was made in 1986, the year i was bprn

23:48:25 [AaronSw]

err born

23:49:24 [sbp]

ooh

23:49:40 [sbp]

Why do you have a NeXT cube?

23:49:50 [AaronSw]

A friend gave it to us.

23:50:42 [sbp]

are you going to run early Web stuff on it? :-)

23:51:52 [talli]

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23:52:02 [talli]

AaronSw, you around?

23:52:37 [Morbus]

no, but I am.

23:52:38 [AaronSw]

yep

23:52:38 [Morbus]

* Morbus winks

23:52:44 [AaronSw]

sbp, of course

23:52:52 [talli]

hey AaronSw, got some RDF questions for you...

23:53:12 [talli]

have you played with the OACS content repository or looked at the set up at all?

23:53:52 [AaronSw]

not much

23:54:10 [AaronSw]

but i'm sure rdf would be a good choice ;)

23:54:12 [talli]

i'm wondering whether the concept of trying to build tighter integration of RDF concepts with the CR is orthogonal, whether my head is just up my ass (a very likely scenario)

23:54:57 [AaronSw]

rdf is just: (primaryKey, columnName, value) triples

23:55:00 [Morbus]

heh, heh

23:55:00 [Morbus]

has anyone played with php's xml capability?

23:55:09 [talli]

ok, that's what i though

23:55:10 [talli]

thought

23:55:14 [Morbus]

if I did do the image gallery, i"d want it to export in that rdf thingy

23:55:47 [talli]

so when one builds an app that is Dublic Core compliant, for instance, that is defined during the data model phase?

23:56:31 [AaronSw]

it means that it supports the dublin core column names

23:56:37 [talli]

ok

23:56:38 [AaronSw]

title, creator, contributor, rights, etc.

23:56:45 [AaronSw]

and also probably exports in RDF

23:56:45 [talli]

here's what i want to suggest...

23:56:57 [talli]

rather, what i would liek to encourage

23:57:18 [talli]

i would like to encourage greater use of dublin core throughout the oacs

23:57:23 [sbp]

* sbp watches as Aaron explains RDF in database terms

23:57:34 [AaronSw]

that'd be cool

23:57:55 [talli]

is this something that can be built into the datamodel, or is it really an application driven concept?

23:58:19 [AaronSw]

i'm not sure what you mean by that

23:58:23 [AaronSw]

i'd expect it'd go in the data model

23:58:27 [talli]

ok

23:58:34 [talli]

some of it is already in the content repository

23:59:07 [talli]

like, author, revision, type, etc

23:59:10 [hazmat]

i'm trying to figure out whats missing... whats missing probably needs to be dumped in their by the application.

23:59:18 [talli]

but it should also be extensible

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23:59:41 [hazmat]

we're really talking about dublin core not rdf per say.

23:59:46 [talli]

ok

23:59:49 [davb]

* davb lurks

23:59:52 [davb]

I will read later

23:59:55 [AaronSw]

heh, hi