IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-28

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00:56:54 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw comes back
00:57:17 [sbp]
* sbp waves
00:59:40 [AaronSw]
morbus has a weblog. morbus has a weblog.
01:00:15 [sbp]
where? where?
01:00:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks up sbp's IP
01:00:34 [sbp]
80.1.184.2
01:01:11 [AaronSw]
Error connecting to 80.1.184.2 on port 80: Connection refused
01:01:11 [AaronSw]
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01:06:12 [AaronSw]
y'all were quiet while i was gone
01:06:51 [AaronSw]
wtf http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/
01:13:30 [sbp]
sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection)
01:13:49 [sbp]
sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack
01:15:01 [sbp]
lots of stuff like "GET /scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0"
01:15:17 [AaronSw]
hm?
01:20:37 [AaronSw]
Hugo: Homer: Asleep at the switch? I wasn't asleep, I was drunk!
01:25:37 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.blogstickers.com/images_stickers/mindtheblog.gif
01:33:06 [sbp]
O.K., the server is up and running again on my port 80
01:33:53 [sbp]
The IP address for sbp is 80.1.185.91
01:34:00 [sbp]
man, I love that script
01:34:14 [sbp]
in mIRC: /ip /say The IP address for $me is $ip
01:35:03 [AaronSw]
heh
01:36:20 [AaronSw]
Hmm, tav better hurry up... only 14 days left on Radio.
01:36:59 [sbp]
heh
01:37:52 [sbp]
pff, you just wanted to see the "inavlid" screenshots? I've restored them
01:37:59 [AaronSw]
heh
01:38:04 [sbp]
and spying through xena... ugh :-)
01:38:17 [AaronSw]
i wasn't spying thru xena
01:38:32 [sbp]
oh?
01:38:45 [AaronSw]
why would I do that?
01:38:59 [sbp]
* sbp would
01:40:07 [AaronSw]
it's coming... December 21, 2012
01:40:14 [sbp]
ooh, ooh!
01:40:20 [sbp]
what's that, then?
01:40:25 [AaronSw]
the end of the world
01:40:29 [sbp]
you're becoming W3C director?
01:40:32 [sbp]
oh... same thing
01:40:36 [AaronSw]
lol
01:40:59 [sbp]
so, any reason why that date is so special?
01:41:33 [sbp]
I mean, why that day? Or is it just a wild guess?
01:41:47 [AaronSw]
it's all about the timewaves
01:41:49 [AaronSw]
and the mayas
01:41:53 [AaronSw]
awesome: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/020127/80/cqzmx.html
01:42:05 [AaronSw]
see http://www.deoxy.org/omega.htm
01:42:12 [sbp]
.google "December 21, 2012" Mayas
01:42:12 [xena]
"December 21, 2012" Mayas: http://www.ioon.net/mayaonics/Pages/summary.htm
01:42:40 [sbp]
"""It is commonly said that the Mayan Calendar ends on December 21, 2012, and indeed from an archaeological point of view it is correct that the Mayan Long Count, the long term chronology used by the Maya, ends on this day. In light of the discovery that the Mayan calendar describes human history and the evolution of consciousness in the Cosmos it has however become apparent that this date is in error when it comes to pinpointing the day the cosmic creation cycles
01:43:05 [sbp]
it's just the end of the Mayan Calendar. 2001 calendars ran out last month, but the world didn't en
01:43:08 [sbp]
end
01:43:30 [AaronSw]
it's very different. they had big cermonies where they smashed things and stuff.
01:44:11 [sbp]
well, unless people go around smashing the world to bits...
01:44:53 [sbp]
would this have anything to do with Zep Tepi?
01:44:58 [AaronSw]
'Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy will be launching a morals program designed to teach high school students about "fundamental values and universal moral precepts." This in response to his observation that high school students did not feel a sense of outrage after September 11.'
01:44:58 [AaronSw]
- http://www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/14216
01:45:06 [AaronSw]
Zep Tepi?
01:45:31 [sbp]
heh: """unbeknownst to GM the band planned to give the money to anti-capitalist campaigners"""
01:45:34 [sbp]
yeah
01:46:04 [AaronSw]
'ZEP TEPI:   ancient Egyptian,  translated as "FIRST  TIME" or "FIRST TIMERS",  referring to a remote epoch prior to ancient Egypt and associated with Osiris, legendary bringer of civilization to the then primitive and canabalistic ancient Egyptians.    Revered as  a god of resurrection and rebirth.'
01:46:08 [AaronSw]
- http://fusionanomaly.net/zeptepi.html
01:46:40 [sbp]
well there you go
01:47:48 [AaronSw]
i figure the Internet took twenty years (70-90), the Web took ten (90-00) and the Plex will take five, etc. until 2012 when things will go really fast and we'll have the singularity
01:48:11 [sbp]
lol
01:48:37 [sbp]
singularity: I've heard some rediculous theories before, but I must say that that is one of the silliest
01:48:54 [sbp]
that's my 2c/p/e
01:49:28 [AaronSw]
per e?
01:49:35 [AaronSw]
ah
01:49:40 [AaronSw]
pounds and euros
01:49:50 [sbp]
cents/pence/euros
01:49:51 [AaronSw]
pounds/pence
01:50:19 [sbp]
euros aren't worth much. People will be wiping their butts with the notes in a few years time
01:51:11 [sbp]
ah, hyperinflation
01:52:01 [sbp]
heh, did you see that thing about the Euro notes being poisonous?
01:52:17 [sbp]
someone said that they only pose a danger if you eat like 500 of the things
01:52:43 [AaronSw]
heh, yeah
01:52:46 [AaronSw]
Jeremiah: "I left my house yesterday at 2:40 and said I would be back in about 2 hours. I came home 26 hours later. It feels good to be a teenager (again). My classes are over, and I'm abandoning dumb responsibilites that don't really exist."
02:00:18 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wanders off to practice "Rhapsody in Blue" on the piano
02:01:06 [sbp]
heh: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_505672.html?menu=news.quirkies
02:01:17 [sbp]
how was the piano concert?
02:02:16 [sbp]
original: http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=1488&cid=4&cname=Business+Today
02:48:09 [AaronSw]
the concert was good
02:48:41 [sbp]
good
02:53:47 [sbp]
\topic It's Monday morning, and what have you done to change the world for the better? Nothing? You suck
03:06:44 [sbp]
* sbp asseses A-Prompt with ATR, outputting to EARL
03:10:54 [BenSwX]
BenSwX (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack
03:14:01 [BenSwX]
Hello
03:14:06 [sbp]
Hi
03:14:51 [BenSwX]
Whats up?
03:15:00 [sbp]
just messing about with some EARL stuff
03:15:28 [AaronSw]
A-Prompt? ATR?
03:15:36 [sbp]
.google A-Prompt
03:15:37 [xena]
A-Prompt: http://aprompt.snow.utoronto.ca
03:15:39 [sbp]
.google ATR
03:15:40 [xena]
ATR: http://www.atr.co.jp
03:15:47 [sbp]
.google ATR accessibility
03:15:48 [xena]
ATR accessibility: http://aprompt.snow.utoronto.ca/ATR/ATR.html
03:15:52 [sbp]
there
03:16:00 [AaronSw]
interesting
03:16:16 [sbp]
yep. Chris worked very hard on them
03:18:28 [BenSwX]
BenSwX has quit ("Warden: theres no Air in Space. Homer: But theres an Air and Space Museum")
03:28:17 [sbp]
Hooray!
03:28:41 [sbp]
* sbp manages to clear up some of the old ATR EARL using a simple filter
03:50:34 [sbp]
Aaron, how do I get n3tordf to *output* as N3, from N3 input?
03:53:13 [sbp]
* sbp tries "to"
03:54:12 [sbp]
it seems to work, but outputs NTriples. That'll do
03:55:19 [AaronSw]
hmm, it should work.
03:55:32 [sbp]
it does work: it gives NTriples
03:55:50 [AaronSw]
Mike Cohen: "Yes! I managed to put away my laundry without getting attacked or bitten! This makes it two in a row."
03:56:07 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw checks what Spamassassin has caught. wow 153 messages.
03:56:56 [sbp]
great
03:59:14 [AaronSw]
"Please contribute at least .00 to PetitionOnline.com, to help maintain this premiere free speech forum."
03:59:14 [AaronSw]
Well, that was easy.
03:59:26 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:59:34 [sbp]
* sbp does the same
04:03:33 [sbp]
* sbp mails his ATR EARL Update form off to www-archive
04:04:12 [sbp]
ta da: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/att-0136/01-ATRUpdate
04:04:25 [sbp]
Quick 'n' easy web publishing :-)
04:05:00 [sbp]
and just to make sure: http://web.archive.org/web/20020127200612/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Jan/att-0136/01-ATRUpdate
04:05:32 [sbp]
You have to love that :-)
04:07:44 [AaronSw]
lol! http://www.microsoft.com&item%3Dq209354@hardware.no/nyheter/feb01/Q209354%20-%20HOWTO.htm
04:10:37 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:10:53 [sbp]
Somebody pointed me to that a while ago
04:11:37 [jeremiah]
hello everyone
04:11:38 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is back (gone 04:35:40)
04:11:47 [jeremiah]
remind me from this point on
04:11:50 [jeremiah]
to spend more time in my house
04:11:56 [AaronSw]
oh?
04:11:58 [sbp]
I like this bit:-
04:12:00 [sbp]
[[[Q147875 HOWTO: Apply for employment with McDonalds
04:12:00 [sbp]
Q171146 HOWTO: Convert absolutely everything to XML
04:12:00 [sbp]
Q181290 HOWTO: Add a #, + or .Net to your old software to keep it cutting edge
04:12:00 [sbp]
]]]
04:12:13 [jeremiah]
heh
04:12:15 [AaronSw]
my favorite is:
04:12:15 [AaronSw]
[10:27] <VBg0d> i made a irc client!!!!!!
04:12:15 [AaronSw]
[10:27] <Guest50468> VBg0d, c00l, i made a webbrowser!!
04:12:22 [AaronSw]
*cough*
04:12:30 [sbp]
yeah... I thought that too...
04:12:31 [sbp]
Q147875 HOWTO: Apply for employment with McDonalds
04:12:31 [sbp]
Q171146 HOWTO: Convert absolutely everything to XML
04:12:31 [sbp]
Q181290 HOWTO: Add a #, + or .Net to your old software to keep it cutting edge
04:12:34 [sbp]
oh, shit
04:13:00 [sbp]
CTRL-c, not CTRL-v! CTRL-c, damnit!
04:13:14 [sbp]
they shouldn't have put those shortcuts so close together
04:13:23 [jeremiah]
I think that was the point
04:13:27 [jeremiah]
since V has nothing to do with "paste"
04:13:44 [sbp]
I would have been happy with CTRL-b
04:14:22 [AaronSw]
too much of a stretch for me
04:14:27 [sbp]
WFM
04:14:45 [sbp]
in the traditional sense of "WFM", not the sbp-ized sense
04:15:03 [sbp]
I can stretch to CTRL-,
04:15:33 [jeremiah]
I like middle-click for pasting
04:15:35 [sbp]
[most sensible people would use the right CTRL button for that, but not me]
04:15:53 [jeremiah]
I don't think I ever use the right control button
04:15:55 [jeremiah]
at all
04:16:10 [jeremiah]
in fact
04:16:11 [sbp]
I'd like to see you CTRL-#
04:16:16 [jeremiah]
all those keys at the bottom
04:16:21 [jeremiah]
like that goddamn windows key
04:16:23 [jeremiah]
aren't used at all
04:16:27 [jeremiah]
and are pretty useless
04:16:33 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw notes that macs have no such key
04:16:47 [jeremiah]
yeah
04:16:47 [sbp]
yeah. The space-bar annoys me too
04:16:55 [AaronSw]
so why should you stay inside more, J?
04:17:01 [jeremiah]
my mac has control, alt, and apple keys
04:17:07 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: I dunno
04:17:14 [AaronSw]
mine has "option (alt)"
04:17:14 [jeremiah]
I got home, and checked aim
04:17:24 [jeremiah]
and all these girls had called
04:17:25 [jeremiah]
:)
04:17:31 [AaronSw]
aha ;)
04:18:53 [sbp]
take your computer with you. Build a watch that has AIM built into it
04:19:42 [jeremiah]
yeah
04:19:46 [jeremiah]
but these were phone calls
04:19:48 [jeremiah]
not aim
04:19:48 [jeremiah]
:)
04:19:52 [jeremiah]
I need a cell
04:21:58 [sbp]
to power the watch? :-)
04:22:04 [sbp]
oh, that's cell battery...
04:22:38 [AaronSw]
you need a personality simulator.
04:23:00 [sbp]
personality simulator?
04:23:19 [AaronSw]
yeah, to answer calls for you.
04:23:27 [AaronSw]
of course it'd probably screw everything up..
04:24:30 [AaronSw]
I suppose being a Radio UserLand beta tester is just a chick magnet.
04:24:36 [sbp]
[phone rings]
04:24:44 [sbp]
SeanBot: [answers phone] Hello?
04:24:53 [sbp]
Female caller: Hi! Is that you Sean?
04:24:59 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is writing up the story of the night
04:25:02 [sbp]
SeanBot: Yeah, The Simpsons are cool!
04:25:06 [jeremiah]
no women involved tonight
04:25:16 [sbp]
Female caller: Ah, it is you. Are you going to take me out this evening?
04:25:25 [sbp]
SeanBot: I'm watching The Simpsons
04:25:34 [jeremiah]
http://www.pbase.com/image/374463 < ex girlfriend
04:25:37 [sbp]
Female caller: But you said you'd take me out!
04:26:00 [jeremiah]
oh, and she left a thing on my im messager
04:26:01 [sbp]
SeanBot: [gets a corrupt hard disc, and starts playing an old Cliff Richard song]
04:26:01 [jeremiah]
hehe
04:26:06 [sbp]
Female caller: Hello?
04:26:16 [sbp]
and so on
04:26:17 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw laughs quite a bit.
04:26:30 [jeremiah]
so we were talking todaya
04:26:36 [jeremiah]
about setting up a modem
04:26:40 [jeremiah]
to call people at random
04:26:47 [jeremiah]
and play them segments of classical music
04:26:57 [AaronSw]
Ooh, that'd be awesome.
04:27:52 [sbp]
Heh. You could send code that way. Hum bits of classical music to people, and then get them to reconstruct the message by using the first character of the title (and/or composer)
04:28:35 [sbp]
So, as is the case with many of my insane experiments, the basis is some sort of humming automaton
04:29:09 [sbp]
Now, let's talk about different types of humming devices. You have your speaker... well, you just have your speaker. Normally, you connect it up to some humming tape loop
04:29:19 [jeremiah]
http://radio.weblogs.com/0001189/2002/01/27.html#a259
04:29:22 [jeremiah]
it's a rant, definatly a rant
04:29:33 [sbp]
But you might be able to synthesize a hum. I don't know. I like the retro charm of a tape loop
04:29:42 [sbp]
* sbp interrupts his rant, and reads J's thing
04:31:01 [AaronSw]
heh, that's an interesting story
04:31:08 [jeremiah]
hmm, gotta edit it to say that we traded in our tickets
04:31:33 [sbp]
'tis indeed
04:31:47 [AaronSw]
you're left-hand side local links are broken, BTW.
04:31:55 [AaronSw]
they link to stuff like http://radio.weblogs.com/about.html
04:32:01 [jeremiah]
yeah
04:32:02 [jeremiah]
thanks
04:32:06 [sbp]
just how Dave wanted it
04:33:22 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Aaron Swartz, not yet draftable, advises that members of the US Congress are trying to reinstate the draft!"
04:41:22 [sbp]
Aaron, why haven't you updated your Weblog? That's just disgusting behaviour
04:41:35 [AaronSw]
I have nothing to say. And you?
04:41:59 [jeremiah]
I have nothing to say
04:42:01 [jeremiah]
doesn't stop me
04:42:05 [sbp]
I have nothing to say
04:42:06 [AaronSw]
heh
04:42:31 [sbp]
well, I have stuff to say. But that doesn't stop me from not saying it
04:46:38 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw posts something
04:47:19 [AaronSw]
Notice that TimBL uses -- like I do.
04:47:29 [AaronSw]
Take that you single-dash freak.
04:48:13 [AaronSw]
Ken MacLeod: "Julie said it was immoral, Ewen said it was illegal, Adrian said it was far too expensive and I said I knew a man who could get it for us cheap." (via Wes)
04:48:30 [sbp]
Single dashes are quicker to type, I'm sure
04:49:02 [sbp]
heh. If that had been serial comma'd, it would have been rather funny
04:49:28 [deltab]
dashes? I see no dashes
04:49:41 [AaronSw]
What are they called then?
04:49:50 [AaronSw]
hyphenographs?
04:49:56 [deltab]
the official name is HYPHEN-MINUS
04:50:15 [sbp]
it is indeed
04:50:22 [AaronSw]
Notice that TimBL uses two HYPHEN-MINUSes like I do. Take that you single HYPHEN-MINUS freak.
04:50:26 [AaronSw]
Hmm, it does have a good ring to it.
04:50:28 [deltab]
haha
04:50:54 [sbp]
no. Only people with far too much time on their hands (and all used to read Unicode documents) call it that
04:51:20 [deltab]
I didn't say anyone *calls* it that
04:51:31 [AaronSw]
Dear Sirs: It appears your article is using more HYPHEN-MINUSes than are necessary. I'd appreciate it if you could review your style guide on the proper use of a HYPHEN-MINUS in writing. Many thanks, your friend-in-HYPHEN-MINUS-usage.
04:51:37 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:51:52 [sbp]
Of course, I should use an em dash—and therefore become normal
04:52:07 [deltab]
they're usually rendered as hyphens, so I call them that
04:52:19 [sbp]
But I can't find a decent way to represent a hair space, so I don't bother
04:52:29 [deltab]
and hyphens suck as dashes
04:52:30 [AaronSw]
It's weird, my logic teacher uses ¬ for the not symbol and calls it a tilde. I always thought ~ was a tilde.
04:52:47 [deltab]
you are right
04:52:59 [AaronSw]
which is the NOT symbol?
04:53:10 [sbp]
¬
04:53:18 [deltab]
n : a diacritical mark (~) placed over the letter n in Spanish
04:53:28 [AaronSw]
I always used ~. ¬ is so much harder to write.
04:53:44 [sbp]
aha: ?—?
04:53:45 [AaronSw]
ñ
04:53:50 [deltab]
it's just shift-` on my keyboard
04:54:02 [sbp]
yeah. Here too
04:54:04 [AaronSw]
Which? ~?
04:54:06 [deltab]
¬, that is
04:54:12 [AaronSw]
Odd, ~ is on mine.
04:54:30 [AaronSw]
¬ is Option-L.
04:54:37 [deltab]
though I've never used ¬ except in smilies
04:54:45 [sbp]
~ is SHIFT-# for me
04:54:46 [AaronSw]
:¬)
04:54:57 [AaronSw]
Y'all have funny keyboards.
04:54:59 [sbp]
you mean, you've ¬ used ¬
04:55:09 [deltab]
?
04:55:34 [AaronSw]
The British keyboards I've seen are all quite odd.
04:56:04 [deltab]
bah, you should see some of the european keyboards
04:56:11 [deltab]
> as shift-< etc.
04:56:51 [AaronSw]
Now I need to prove how to use an inconsistency detector to test validity to my teacher.
04:57:00 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that is quite odd.
04:57:19 [AaronSw]
I've found the strange placements of the Euro symbol quite interesting
04:57:31 [deltab]
on the 4 key?
04:57:51 [AaronSw]
That sort of makes sense, I suppose.
04:57:55 [sbp]
€
04:58:02 [sbp]
just a black dot in mIRC...
04:58:05 [AaronSw]
Is that supposed to be a Euro?
04:58:18 [AaronSw]
Here it's a small circle with lines coming out of its four corners.
04:58:27 [deltab]
AaronSw: it's a Microsoft character
04:58:44 [sbp]
appears fine for me in http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-28.txt
04:58:49 [deltab]
it's just a control character on my screen
04:58:58 [sbp]
what the Unicode codepoint for the Euro, deltab?
04:59:01 [sbp]
impress me
04:59:07 [deltab]
U+20AC
04:59:10 [sbp]
:-)
04:59:25 [sbp]
* sbp is suitably impressed
04:59:56 [deltab]
that's about the only Unicode character whose code I do know
05:02:00 [sbp]
* sbp can confirm, through http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U20A0.pdf
05:02:18 [AaronSw]
Why PDF?
05:02:36 [sbp]
heh:-
05:02:37 [sbp]
[[[
05:02:37 [sbp]
20A0 EURO-CURRENCY SIGN
05:02:37 [sbp]
• intended for ECU, but not widely used
05:02:37 [sbp]
• historical character, this is NOT the euro!
05:02:38 [sbp]
]]]
05:03:17 [sbp]
PDF: because people love PDF, rejoice when they find a document, and flibble in exispeciferous glee when they take several hours to download
05:03:17 [AaronSw]
hm?
05:03:43 [AaronSw]
What's ECU?
05:03:52 [sbp]
European Currency Unit
05:04:41 [sbp]
.google ECU "European Currency Unit"
05:04:42 [xena]
ECU "European Currency Unit": http://www.xe.com/euro.htm
05:05:09 [sbp]
[[[
05:05:10 [sbp]
The Euro is not just the same thing as the former European Currency Unit, which used to be listed in our services as "XEU". The ECU was a theoretical "basket" of currencies rather than a currency in and of itself, and no "ECU" bank notes or coins ever existed. In short, the ECU no longer exists. It has been replaced by the Euro, which is a bona fide currency.
05:05:11 [sbp]
]]]
05:05:16 [sbp]
so there you go
05:05:18 [sbp]
Gotta run
05:05:32 [AaronSw]
interesting.
05:05:46 [DoidT]
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05:07:43 [DoidT]
Hello?
05:07:53 [jeremiah]
hmm
05:08:02 [jeremiah]
need to stop ignoring these irc channels
05:08:02 [AaronSw]
hi
05:08:16 [deltab]
or rather the euro (lowercase, unlike the Dollar and the Pound)
05:09:04 [AaronSw]
That seems sort of silly.
05:09:26 [AaronSw]
I mean, they might have well called it eUro.
05:11:37 [DoidT]
I've a simple api for a KnowNow router if anyone's interested:
05:11:52 [DoidT]
http://bitcloud.net:8000/api/
05:13:16 [DoidT]
Um, javascript enabled browsers only, I should have mentioned
05:13:29 [DoidT]
And only IE and Mozilla at that
05:14:00 [jeremiah]
what does it do again?
05:15:38 [DoidT]
Well, that page just provides a simple way for people to get data from a router
05:15:51 [DoidT]
Are you asking about KnowNow in general?
05:16:08 [AaronSw]
it crashed my browser
05:16:19 [jeremiah]
good point, I don't know what knownow does
05:16:29 [DoidT]
Sorry, it is fairly crude, which browser are you using?
05:16:43 [AaronSw]
IE5/Mac
05:16:57 [deltab]
DoidT: you should use something other than spaces in your product version: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html#sec3.8
05:17:02 [DoidT]
Jeremiah: the definitive article is Jon Udell's:
05:17:05 [DoidT]
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1816/byt20011128s0003/1203_udell.html
05:17:48 [DoidT]
Aaron: I don't thing it'll work on IE Mac, I'm hoping it will on later versions - part of the reason I'm getting a Mac
05:18:12 [AaronSw]
cool
05:18:14 [jeremiah]
DoidT: will read
05:18:37 [AaronSw]
jeremiah, essentially it's a stream distribution thing. You send packets to a stream on a server, and they send them out to everyone subscribed to that stream
05:19:31 [AaronSw]
The Plex should be able to do that w/o a central server.
05:19:39 [jeremiah]
interesting
05:20:02 [DoidT]
Deltab: I'm learning there :)
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05:20:26 [AaronSw]
ugh, i'm feeling tired. c'ya later
05:20:31 [jeremiah]
bye aaron
05:20:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sets alarm clock so he can do homework in the morning
05:21:11 [AaronSw]
BTW, why are you out of school already?
05:21:25 [jeremiah]
me?
05:21:26 [jeremiah]
no
05:21:29 [jeremiah]
block schedules
05:21:36 [AaronSw]
oh?
05:21:36 [jeremiah]
we start new classes on monday
05:21:46 [AaronSw]
aha
05:21:48 [AaronSw]
trimester?
05:21:56 [jeremiah]
semester
05:22:07 [jeremiah]
two semesters of 4 blocks
05:22:09 [jeremiah]
hour and a half classes
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05:22:49 [AaronSw]
interesting. college much the same but with 50 min. classes
05:22:56 [jeremiah]
hmm
05:23:07 [jeremiah]
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it (No desire to hurry)
05:23:08 [AaronSw]
but classes ended before winter break, so i had a month or two off
05:23:16 [jeremiah]
yeah
05:23:23 [AaronSw]
I only had a desire to slow down. :)
05:24:15 [AaronSw]
Oh, I figured out who invented the Plex: Gelernter.
05:24:47 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Mark your calendars: December 21, 2012
05:24:55 [AaronSw]
c'ya all
05:25:48 [DoidT]
Seeya
05:26:35 [DoidT]
Deltab: belated thanks for that tip
05:26:47 [deltab]
you're welcome
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* AaronSw ges a letter about http://swag.webns.net/rdfnsPractises
15:00:00 [deltab]
AaronSw: need to encode those < >s
15:01:45 [AaronSw]
that's what he wrote about :0
15:13:44 [AaronSw]
taguri.org: 'For instance, the example tag for my dog, above, should only ever be used for that dog. But there are fuzzy lines here: in five years, when he's not so spry, will he be the "same" dog"?'
15:13:56 [AaronSw]
Um, am I the only on who thinks the answer is obviously yes.
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17:35:01 [sbp]
.google Gelernter
17:35:02 [xena]
Gelernter: http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/Brochure/faculty/gelernter.html
17:35:34 [sbp]
<AaronSw> Um, am I the only on who thinks the answer is obviously yes.
17:35:41 [sbp]
no, I agree with that too
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17:51:06 [sbp]
Hi big J
18:00:00 [jeremiah]
hey sbp
18:00:06 [jeremiah]
reading that paper on Chord right now
18:00:10 [jeremiah]
interesting stuff
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18:58:19 [AaronSw]
hmmph
18:58:24 [AaronSw]
someone kicked out the net connection again
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19:33:15 [AaronSw]
hey kenm
19:33:18 [kenm]
hey
19:33:48 [AaronSw]
I assume this quote is the other kenm:
19:33:49 [AaronSw]
"Julie said it was immoral, Ewen said it was illegal, Adrian said it was far too expensive and I said I knew a man who could get it for us cheap." -- Ken MacLeod
19:47:37 [AaronSw]
I hope you all have been paying attention. It is time for your final exam. The page you requested has not been archived. If the page is still available on the Internet, we will begin archiving it during our next crawl.
19:47:44 [AaronSw]
err. http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/finalexam.html
19:55:14 [kenm]
yes, that is the other kenm. raised an eyebrow tho when I saw it! hmm, thinks meself, I don't remember ever saying that... oh!
19:55:38 [kenm]
http://www.gltron.org/
19:56:05 [kenm]
GL impl. of the snakes game from Tron
19:56:14 [kenm]
awesome feel
19:56:47 [AaronSw]
he!
19:56:49 [AaronSw]
err heh!
19:57:28 [AaronSw]
ooh, OS X binary
19:59:50 [kenm]
gotta run, ttyl
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19:59:56 [jeremiah]
hello
20:00:07 [AaronSw]
hey there
20:00:25 [jeremiah]
I've been reading, off and on, those MIT docs on Chord
20:00:34 [jeremiah]
my question is (and I haven't finished yet)
20:00:41 [jeremiah]
are we going to have unique keys for everything?
20:00:41 [AaronSw]
cool
20:00:43 [jeremiah]
I assume we are
20:00:59 [AaronSw]
Everything worth talking about.
20:01:15 [jeremiah]
and then, if we do, they're going to be determined by hashes, I would think from all the talk of hashes
20:01:46 [jeremiah]
so we aren't actually going ot search using the plex right, is it just going to be used for data storage?
20:02:23 [AaronSw]
No, the Plex uses Chord but goes beyond it.
20:02:29 [jeremiah]
ok
20:02:48 [jeremiah]
ok
20:02:52 [AaronSw]
So what really happens is you get triples with parts missing, like: <file> :title ?x
20:03:00 [AaronSw]
where ?x is the bit you want filled in.
20:03:03 [jeremiah]
ok
20:04:09 [jeremiah]
now what if I spelled something wrong
20:04:22 [jeremiah]
wait, let me rephrase
20:04:35 [jeremiah]
the system determines what search to perform right? not the user
20:05:24 [AaronSw]
i think talking about it like that is confusing, since the system doesn't make decisions like that.
20:05:30 [jeremiah]
ok
20:05:34 [jeremiah]
I think I know what's going on though
20:05:40 [AaronSw]
The system is only indexed that way, yes.
20:05:41 [jeremiah]
but it's hard to explain
20:05:57 [AaronSw]
Just like you can only query Google for full words, you can only query the Plex for full parts o a triple.
20:06:15 [jeremiah]
gotcha
20:06:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw was wondering how long it'd take tav to say that.
20:06:32 [jeremiah]
wow, that makes sense now (why google is so damn fast)
20:07:23 [AaronSw]
yeah
20:07:34 [AaronSw]
they can split the problem up the same way the plex can.
20:10:07 [sbp]
for the logs "<tav> #plex"
20:10:15 [sbp]
but #plex has crap logs
20:10:20 [AaronSw]
yeah
20:31:57 [AaronSw]
Morbus: "goddamit, i am a moron - that's *me*."
20:52:40 [sbp]
except he didn't use "quotes"
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Mr. MacLeod!
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21:41:38 [tin]
what happens dec 21 , 2012?
21:41:50 [AaronSw]
end of the world, supposedly
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21:47:40 [kmacleod]
ttyl
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22:46:36 [AaronSw]
RDF and P2P: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/decentralization/message/236
22:48:39 [sbp]
ugh, those ads are so annoying. It seems that every time I visit, there are more of them
22:48:58 [AaronSw]
indeed
22:51:25 [sbp]
.google swhack
22:51:26 [xena]
swhack: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog
22:51:56 [sbp]
ugh, the Weblog is borked
22:51:57 [sbp]
[[[
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invalid command name "render_webpage"
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while executing
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"render_webpage {} /web/blogspace/www/swhack/weblog"
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[...]
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]]]
22:52:54 [AaronSw]
try hitting reload
22:53:45 [sbp]
yeah, it's alright now
22:54:06 [sbp]
I should have written: Aaron: Weblog: borked
22:58:03 [sbp]
lol!
22:58:07 [sbp]
@ http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/
22:58:12 [chumpster]
A: Google from sbp
22:58:15 [AaronSw]
yeah, that's great
22:58:25 [sbp]
A:|Google - alt.google.bork.bork.bork
22:58:26 [chumpster]
titled item A
22:58:52 [AaronSw]
A:|International Google: Swedish Chef
22:58:59 [sbp]
that's better
22:59:07 [sbp]
I needed as "search." in there anyway
22:59:43 [chumpster]
titled item A
23:00:17 [sbp]
A::Google en borked Sweedish
23:00:37 [AaronSw]
Zee must cumprehenseefe-a imege-a seerch oon zee veb.
23:00:55 [chumpster]
commented item A
23:01:06 [sbp]
heh, heh: "Resoolts 1 - 10 ooff ebuoot 2,540. Seerch tuuk 0.31 secunds. Um gesh dee bork, bork!"
23:06:03 [AaronSw]
i really wish google would add mailing lists <cough>Yahoo groups</>
23:06:06 [sbp]
s/Sweedish/Sveedish/
23:06:24 [sbp]
heh, I've been thinking that for a long while
23:06:31 [sbp]
but they already used groups.google.com
23:06:44 [AaronSw]
they could use the same interface.
23:07:05 [AaronSw]
and the same url
23:07:12 [AaronSw]
just point google at an mbox file
23:07:39 [sbp]
it's odd that Yahoo! felt the need to plaster ads everywhere. I guess they're really starting to lose money
23:07:51 [sbp]
but it's silly, because they'll just drive people away
23:08:26 [AaronSw]
they must be really desperate
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Hello
23:33:00 [sbp]
* sbp makes a `u borkify` script, and it 'keend ooff foorks' according to itself
23:35:33 [sbp]
that should have been "vurks", I suppose
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23:57:54 [AaronSw]
hey