IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-24

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00:01:48 [sbp]
does anybody here know in what version HTMLParser was introduced to the Python stdlib?
00:06:24 [sbp]
Hmm... it seems that it was introduced in 2.2
00:13:12 [AaronSw]
ooh, O'Reilly wrote back on my Plex proposal...
00:13:26 [AaronSw]
aww, they rejected it.
00:15:59 [sbp]
tsk
00:16:06 [sbp]
oh well
00:17:02 [sbp]
wow, you didn't tell us about that. How many other things do you have hiding in the grotto? :-)
00:20:26 [AaronSw]
sure i did
00:20:29 [AaronSw]
i had you read over it
00:20:37 [sbp]
ooh, I should start a Plex newsletter
00:20:44 [sbp]
Did I? Ugh, I apologize
00:20:57 [AaronSw]
i dunno... i thought you did
00:21:59 [sbp]
don't think so. I rarely know what you're doing Plex-wise from one day to another. Yu're too busy doing it, I guess :-)
00:24:48 [sbp]
ugh, I can't get MN to run. At all
00:24:54 [AaronSw]
really?
00:25:00 [AaronSw]
did you grab the windows binary?
00:25:39 [sbp]
yep. 0.999
00:25:47 [sbp]
perhaps I should try the stable one
00:26:23 [sbp]
Hmm... quickstart says that it'll open "C:\Program Files\Mojo Nation\config\broker\intropage.html", but the file doesn't even exist. Perhaps it's created on the first run
00:34:42 [sbp]
I wonder if there's a Mac OS X theme for Windows?
00:34:46 [sbp]
.google Mac OS X theme for Windows?
00:34:47 [xena]
Mac OS X theme for Windows: http://www.macosxhints.com
00:35:18 [sbp]
erm... right
00:35:24 [sbp]
.google "Mac OS X theme for Windows"
00:35:25 [xena]
no results found.
00:43:36 [sbp]
heh: http://m5p.com/~pravn/foot.html
00:50:09 [sbp]
Aaron, have you checked out iMesh? any good?
01:01:36 [tansaku]
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01:03:36 [sbp]
Aaron, WTF is up with dircproxy?
01:03:40 [sbp]
it just went nuts
01:03:57 [sbp]
it kept letting me in, spewing hundreds of lines at me, and then botting me off immediately
01:08:32 [AaronSw]
heh, another discussion about artists getting paid at the dinner table.
01:08:41 [AaronSw]
sorry, was at dinner
01:08:57 [AaronSw]
.google aqua windows
01:08:58 [xena]
aqua windows: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/aqua.html
01:09:10 [AaronSw]
iMesh is windows only so i haven't used it
01:09:19 [AaronSw]
i hear fastrack/kazaa/morpheus is good tho
01:09:27 [sbp]
* sbp will test it for you
01:09:43 [sbp]
Um... could you possibly fix dircproxy in the meantime, though?
01:09:44 [AaronSw]
.aqua litestep theme
01:09:50 [AaronSw]
what's wrong, exactly?
01:10:02 [AaronSw]
and how do you propose i fix it?
01:10:22 [sbp]
I'm not sure. I just goes berserk when I log into it
01:10:25 [AaronSw]
.google aqua litestep theme
01:10:26 [sbp]
and then kicks me off
01:10:26 [xena]
aqua litestep theme: http://www.themes.org/forums/gtk/147
01:10:33 [AaronSw]
i'll restart it...
01:10:39 [sbp]
thanks
01:10:58 [AaronSw]
ok
01:11:02 [AaronSw]
it should be back up now
01:11:15 [sbp]
thanks, I'll try it (and thanks for the Aqua links)
01:11:22 [sbp]
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01:12:19 [sbp]
O.K., it seems to be back in business! thank you
01:12:23 [AaronSw]
sure
01:12:33 [sbp]
Hmm... "Styling Sheets". What does that remind you of? :-)
01:13:07 [AaronSw]
where's that from?
01:13:27 [sbp]
ugh: http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1476651-100-1486723.html
01:13:30 [sbp]
from the Aqua page
01:14:45 [sbp]
.google Mac OS 9 fiel system Python
01:14:45 [xena]
Mac OS 9 fiel system Python: http://www.schockwellenreiter.de
01:14:53 [sbp]
.google Mac OS 9 file system Python
01:14:54 [xena]
Mac OS 9 file system Python: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/macosmm/toc.html
01:15:31 [sbp]
DanC got a version of it running in Python, so that he could scrape some old files from a disc
01:15:55 [AaronSw]
lol! http://yellow5.com/pokey/archive/index177.html
01:15:58 [AaronSw]
Pokey is so funny
01:16:38 [AaronSw]
heh, heh @ Aqua Theme
01:16:53 [sbp]
Bizzare
01:17:28 [sbp]
* sbp should scan Fred and Bert one day
01:17:29 [sbp]
er... Fred and Larry
01:17:50 [AaronSw]
TwistedMatrix uses the GREASE plan.
01:18:02 [sbp]
of course, I don't have a scanner. I'd have to fax it to myself
01:19:40 [sbp]
* sbp considers porting RDF Author from Mac
01:23:46 [AaronSw]
Now it's time for the reschedule Magical Mystery Tour.
01:23:50 [AaronSw]
c'ya l8r d00d
01:25:41 [sbp]
heh. c'ya
01:27:59 [sbp]
* sbp reads about AppleScript
01:28:37 [sbp]
quite funny, really
01:29:06 [sbp]
like sh for toddlers
01:48:03 [sbp]
.google IceWM
01:48:04 [xena]
IceWM: http://www.icewm.org
01:52:21 [rillian]
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01:53:31 [sbp]
Hi rillian
01:53:38 [rillian]
howdy
01:54:10 [sbp]
aha: http://www.cluff.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html
01:55:50 [sbp]
@ http://www.cluff.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html
01:55:54 [sbp]
chump it!
01:55:56 [chumpster]
A: http://www.cluff.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html from sbp
01:56:03 [sbp]
A:|A Tutorial on how to make Windows look like Mac OS X
01:56:04 [chumpster]
titled item A
01:57:42 [tav]
A:\ewwwwwww! use litestep and icesphere, not the shit suggested by the above url
01:57:59 [tav]
A::ewwwwwww! use litestep and icesphere, not the shit suggested by the above url
01:58:00 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:58:17 [sbp]
"url"? How old fashined are you? :-)
01:58:32 [sbp]
Can you point me to a discussion of litestep and icesphere?
01:59:21 [sbp]
*sigh* I'll find it myself
01:59:27 [sbp]
.google litestep icesphere
01:59:28 [tav]
heh
01:59:28 [xena]
litestep icesphere: http://icesphere.hellbent.com/devteam.shtml
02:02:11 [sbp]
.google litestep Aqua
02:02:12 [xena]
litestep Aqua: http://www.wincustomize.com/directory.asp
02:05:30 [sbp]
* sbp finds http://www.wam.umd.edu/~razambon/LSFAQ/
02:11:09 [sbp]
* sbp wonders why he didn't get litestep before
02:11:22 [sbp]
Hmm... perhaps because I can't find a distribution
02:12:57 [sbp]
ah: http://www.litestep.net/
02:13:17 [deus_x]
* deus_x wakes up.
02:13:37 [deus_x]
I don't know if I should have, but I turned the Friends view on livejournal.com into RSS
02:15:59 [tav]
was that already available b4?
02:16:08 [sbp]
* sbp finds http://builds.lsdev.org/
02:16:31 [deus_x]
Well, there's an RSS view on one's own journal made recently, but no RSS for the aggregate friends view that I knew of
02:17:57 [sbp]
wow, it's not even half a MB
02:29:03 [sbp]
lol! new in 0.9.7: "Mozilla now has support for digest access authentication."
02:30:11 [sbp]
What took it so long? I implemented digest in QuickPut rather quickly
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02:56:57 [AaronSw]
Ah, that was a great movie.
02:57:17 [AaronSw]
Apparently they never showed it in the states, so my Mum had never seen it.
02:57:47 [sbp]
* sbp searches for an Aqua theme for LiteStep
02:58:11 [AaronSw]
heh:
02:58:11 [AaronSw]
* sbp reads about AppleScript
02:58:11 [AaronSw]
<sbp> quite funny, really
02:58:11 [AaronSw]
heh, as that shoot yourself in the foot doc says:
02:58:11 [AaronSw]
Put the first bullet of the gun into the foot left of leg of you. Answer the result.
02:58:12 [AaronSw]
Motif
02:58:32 [sbp]
Motif?
02:58:34 [AaronSw]
rillian, what was the cake for yesterday?
02:58:42 [AaronSw]
err, just ignore that. copied too much ;)
02:59:00 [rillian]
AaronSw: flatmate's bday
02:59:09 [rillian]
unfortunately, she's too sick to enjoy it
02:59:35 [AaronSw]
aw.
03:00:27 [AaronSw]
sbp, ever thought of asking #litestep?
03:00:57 [sbp]
good idea
03:01:27 [deus_x]
Heh heh
03:01:44 [sbp]
WTF is going on in there?
03:02:31 [sbp]
ah, it's a bridge
03:04:37 [AaronSw]
quick, get your name on an MIT building! http://web.mit.edu/giving/priorities/campus/building/medialab.html
03:06:25 [rillian]
I want the cafe!
03:13:06 [AaronSw]
i got the lounge!
03:13:24 [rillian]
cheapskate
03:14:41 [AaronSw]
heh
03:15:11 [AaronSw]
maybe i'll grab the winter garden then
03:15:15 [deus_x]
Can I just claim a bathroom stall?
03:15:37 [deus_x]
I only have about $200 to play with, at best.
03:15:52 [AaronSw]
you'll have to pay extra for the sign
03:16:10 [deus_x]
I can provide my own, does that help?
03:16:26 [AaronSw]
is it up to Campus Standards? (of course not)
03:16:46 [deus_x]
Well, I'm getting pretty good with my woodburning kit.
03:17:15 [AaronSw]
ok, next...
03:17:28 [deus_x]
Heehee
03:22:15 [AaronSw]
hmm, i never noticed that the swhack logs are out of order: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/
03:23:11 [deus_x]
Still looking for a photo album? The one at http://www.liveframe.org appears promising, albeit in perl.
03:26:38 [AaronSw]
interesting. thanks
03:26:53 [AaronSw]
hmm, frames and odd uris
03:29:13 [AaronSw]
eww. POST instead of GET
03:35:53 [deus_x]
Ye gods, I'm subscribed to 92 RSS channels. I can't decide whether I need more or to cut down.
03:43:11 [hazmat]
deus_x: what do you mean subscribed??
03:45:30 [rillian]
rillian has quit ("food, bed")
03:45:50 [deus_x]
hazmat: Oh, subscribed in my AmphetaDesk install
03:46:18 [hazmat]
.google amphetadesk
03:46:19 [xena]
amphetadesk: http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk
03:46:44 [tav]
deus_x: add more
03:46:57 [deus_x]
I was using Radio UserLand, but it doesn't like my iBook apparently.
03:47:10 [hazmat]
is that windows/mac only?
03:47:19 [AaronSw]
RadioUserLand? yeah
03:47:24 [AaronSw]
Ampheta has a Linux version, tho
03:47:43 [deus_x]
AmphetaDesk is perl, crammed into a shape for each platform :)
03:47:51 [hazmat]
i did something similiar with zope, using ocs as my aggregate format.
03:47:58 [tav]
heh
03:48:04 [tav]
* tav recalls the news channel product
03:48:15 [AaronSw]
then how come tav kept bugging me to write one?
03:48:40 [tav]
?
03:48:46 [AaronSw]
hmm, how do I build python... i could run ./configure, setup.py ore ./install-sh
03:48:52 [hazmat]
because mine sucked... i think. i was using dom for parsing instead of sax... and i didn't add in user subscribable filters and other goodies.
03:49:11 [hazmat]
i rewrote the ocs/rss parsers for sax, but got sidetracked doing other stuff since than.
03:49:35 [hazmat]
i'm going to work on it again as extra functionality for the python-repository.
03:49:50 [hazmat]
but with subscriptions based on an event channel
03:50:23 [AaronSw]
hmm, spam assassin blocked one of my xena mails:
03:50:24 [AaronSw]
SPAM: Hit! (2 points) Message-Id is not valid, according to RFC-2822
03:50:44 [hazmat]
so users can subscribe to all sorts of content within the site, have the events pile up in an event queue, which gets periodically flushed, and has user filters applied, so people don't get spammed with updates but instead get their choice of subscription terms and content.
03:51:09 [hazmat]
but i digress... back to laundry.
03:51:11 [AaronSw]
I guess ESP Xnet Mailer 0.9.3.2 still needs some work.
03:51:32 [AaronSw]
hazmat, that sounds pretty cool
03:51:36 [AaronSw]
too bad zope hates me
03:54:55 [deus_x]
I'm going to hold out for Zope 3
03:55:09 [AaronSw]
i would like to do that too
03:55:41 [AaronSw]
.email me@aaronsw.com hi aaronsw
03:55:41 [xena]
email successfully sent.
03:59:13 [AaronSw]
so tav, to install zope i run python2.1 wo_pcgi.py, right?
03:59:23 [AaronSw]
where python2.1 is python2.1.2
04:00:12 [AaronSw]
whoa, it actually worked
04:04:57 [tav]
yes
04:14:50 [AaronSw]
why is ther eno install thingy?
04:18:39 [sbp]
* sbp comes to you from a very different desktop...
04:18:46 [sbp]
using the LiteGnome theme through LiteStep
04:18:53 [AaronSw]
no aqua?
04:18:54 [sbp]
It's... um... different
04:19:00 [sbp]
I can't find an Aqua theme!
04:19:07 [AaronSw]
ugh
04:19:12 [AaronSw]
what about #litestep?
04:19:38 [sbp]
no, they're useless
04:19:54 [AaronSw]
oh well
04:21:11 [sbp]
the help file is rather funny - I'll try to excerpt it
04:21:24 [sbp]
"""First of all, sorry for my bad grammatical errors, I hope you'll understand this piece! i'm a french :-)"""
04:21:42 [sbp]
I love that
04:22:38 [AaronSw]
heh
04:22:46 [AaronSw]
hmm, this photo album product won't install
04:25:50 [AaronSw]
hazmat / tav, how do i install a product. i know it's too simplistic to think i could just drop it in the Products folder.
04:25:58 [sbp]
aha, there's one on http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=6
04:26:51 [AaronSw]
oh, maybe it'd help if i used the Products folder...
04:26:57 [sbp]
the multiple desktops thing is quite useful
04:32:26 [AaronSw]
hmm, this photo product doesn't have mass upload?
04:34:14 [AaronSw]
[non-cool URI omitted]
04:35:14 [AaronSw]
nice, you can add new metadata properties
04:35:24 [AaronSw]
but it really needs mass-upload to be useful to me, i think
04:35:29 [AaronSw]
i guess i can write that
04:37:46 [AaronSw]
hmm, claims to support webdav and ftp
04:37:55 [AaronSw]
i wonder if that'll work for me
04:39:44 [AaronSw]
hmm, i wonder how to start the server... maybe it runs on the normal HTTP port
04:40:33 [sbp]
* sbp has restored his normal desktop
04:40:50 [AaronSw]
you're not very big on change :)
04:41:26 [sbp]
certainly not
04:41:55 [AaronSw]
is that agreement or dissent?
04:42:51 [sbp]
agreement
04:47:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uploads photos to Zope via FTP
04:48:26 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gets Transmit, since he's tired of typing y to his ftp client
04:48:31 [deus_x]
Ooh, this looks like fun: http://redfoot.sourceforge.net (probably not new to you guys)
04:48:39 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's neat
04:49:02 [sbp]
Redfoot: been there, haven't been able to install that
04:49:15 [AaronSw]
you and your poor windows machine
04:49:20 [sbp]
yeah
04:49:23 [deus_x]
Really? Oh...
04:49:28 [AaronSw]
worked fine over here
04:49:29 [deus_x]
* deus_x hugs his iBook
04:49:47 [sbp]
* sbp sulks
04:49:59 [AaronSw]
New button: [Extra Spiffy on Mac OS X]
04:50:13 [sbp]
heh, heh. Very nice
04:50:59 [deus_x]
Hmm.. redfoot looks vaguely like what I wanted to do with my Zope-wannabe, only I didn't know what RDF was
04:51:17 [AaronSw]
heh
04:51:19 [AaronSw]
You do realize, sbp, that by uploading my photos i'm sort of commiting myself to zope.
04:51:33 [deus_x]
* deus_x snickers.
04:52:07 [AaronSw]
now i have to think up a persistent URI for them.
04:52:11 [sbp]
Hmm... well, I suppose it's... worth it
04:52:18 [AaronSw]
i think aaronsw.com/photos/ will do
04:52:29 [sbp]
no! just tar.gz them, and send them to me by mail! :-)
04:53:15 [AaronSw]
i tried to copy stuff off my dictaphone, but it uses some funky audio out port i don't have a chord for! :-(
04:53:17 [deus_x]
Now I see I was actually trying to make a database of triples to do perl object persistence.
04:53:32 [sbp]
lol @ chord
04:53:35 [deus_x]
Only I didn't actually want to persist perl objects, specifically.
04:53:40 [sbp]
is that a P2Pian slip?
04:53:47 [AaronSw]
heh, yeah
04:53:58 [AaronSw]
I almost capitalized it, but thought better.
04:54:10 [AaronSw]
not much better, i guess :)
04:55:17 [AaronSw]
hmm, it won't let me move things around in ftp
04:56:43 [AaronSw]
heh, there are some great photos in here
04:57:26 [hazmat]
* hazmat smells zope
04:58:21 [AaronSw]
indeed
04:58:27 [AaronSw]
tav told me to upgrade to 2.1.2 and it worked
04:58:38 [AaronSw]
wow, i took quite a lot of photos.
04:58:42 [AaronSw]
over 100
04:58:42 [hazmat]
cool.
04:59:25 [sbp]
do let us know when they're up :-)
05:00:17 [AaronSw]
i expect them to be at http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/ someday
05:00:47 [hazmat]
digital camera pics, or scanned?
05:01:04 [AaronSw]
digital
05:01:12 [AaronSw]
hmm, i seem to have crashed it
05:01:50 [AaronSw]
anyway to restart just the FTP server?
05:04:28 [hazmat]
python z2.py -X -fport_num
05:05:26 [hazmat]
warning, the ftp server only works in passive only mode..
05:05:39 [AaronSw]
good, my client is the same way
05:05:45 [AaronSw]
(well, my firewall really...)
05:05:54 [hazmat]
to be honest, i found it flakey and generally turn it off on production sites.
05:06:10 [AaronSw]
and webdav?
05:06:15 [hazmat]
works very well
05:06:33 [hazmat]
the only problems are non-compliant clients... which zope tries to work around (think ms ;)
05:06:35 [AaronSw]
do you have to enable it separately?
05:07:05 [AaronSw]
does it run on the same port as the FTP server?
05:07:09 [hazmat]
for source edits yes, you need to turn on a separate source port. for default uploading via PUT it just works.
05:07:15 [hazmat]
no, it runs on its own port
05:07:20 [hazmat]
webdav is http
05:07:30 [AaronSw]
s/FTP server/HTTP server/
05:07:37 [AaronSw]
sorry... had my mind on FTP
05:08:19 [hazmat]
it you can use it over http. but for clients that don't understand 'source-link' you need to turn it on.
05:08:24 [hazmat]
s/it/
05:08:57 [hazmat]
iotw. the default http server does webdav, for some clients you might need to turn on the source port via -W command line switch (followed by a port number)
05:10:16 [AaronSw]
interesting
05:10:37 [AaronSw]
odd:
05:10:41 [AaronSw]
PASV
05:10:41 [AaronSw]
227 Entering Passive Mode (63,149,73,20,6,71)
05:10:41 [AaronSw]
LIST IMG_0958.JPG
05:10:41 [AaronSw]
550 Could not list directory.
05:10:47 [AaronSw]
--
05:11:30 [hazmat]
you need to pass in auth info??
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05:17:34 [AaronSw]
i guess there's a bug in Zope's FTP
05:17:38 [AaronSw]
no, no, i'm already logged in
05:17:48 [AaronSw]
it seems to only support LIST on directories, not files
05:18:05 [AaronSw]
hey GabeW
05:18:19 [GabeW]
yo AaronSw - brb
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05:20:23 [AaronSw]
hello again
05:22:19 [GabeW]
hello again agin
05:22:48 [AaronSw]
like goldfish saying hello
05:24:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gets an emergency XSLT assistance request:
05:24:20 [AaronSw]
--
05:24:28 [AaronSw]
I've been getting my feet wet with XSL and am really pressed for time.
05:24:29 [AaronSw]
I want to turn an xml document with this content:
05:24:29 [AaronSw]
<name1/>value1
05:24:29 [AaronSw]
<name2/>value2
05:24:30 [AaronSw]
...
05:24:30 [GabeW]
can I help
05:24:30 [AaronSw]
Into something like:
05:24:31 [AaronSw]
name1: value1
05:24:33 [AaronSw]
name2: value2
05:24:35 [AaronSw]
...
05:24:37 [AaronSw]
--
05:25:16 [GabeW]
i think the name() function is useful here
05:25:21 [AaronSw]
--
05:25:22 [AaronSw]
I saw some example code that used "name(.)", but IE 5.1 says it isn't valid
05:25:22 [AaronSw]
XSL. <http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/N3235.html#d121e60>
05:25:22 [AaronSw]
--
05:25:30 [AaronSw]
Heh, i guess he should upgrade
05:25:48 [GabeW]
I think pre ie 5.5 used MS's "xsl" - donno
05:26:06 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's pretty awful
05:26:12 [GabeW]
i find Michael Kay's book really really really useful
05:26:52 [GabeW]
I just did some nontrivial XSLT and its almost fun - functional programming is something I've never really gotten into before
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05:27:15 [AaronSw]
I looked at the syntax and decided it was for masochists.
05:27:50 [AaronSw]
for example, Dan Connolly writes HTML presentations of RDF documents in XSLT. it's just insane to me
05:28:17 [GabeW]
well, its not that complicated once you understand its really a functional programming language with some funky rules for firing templates (if you want it)
05:29:04 [AaronSw]
i'm sure it's not that complicated but the strange syntax rules and lack of decent functions make things pretty painful, it seems
05:29:34 [GabeW]
yeah, and there are some oddities (like you can't do "two pass" transforms without extensions in 1.0)
05:30:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to find the magic key commands to make MacOSX--WebDAV-->Zope work.
05:31:28 [GabeW]
i've also been playing around with lisp some -- fun stuff
05:32:11 [AaronSw]
ooh, you like?
05:32:26 [AaronSw]
lisp's another language with syntax problems, i think.
05:33:36 [GabeW]
its pleasantly simple
05:33:55 [GabeW]
it forces the programmer to conform to the machine, but it then gives you a lot of power to do nifty things
05:34:04 [GabeW]
I'm not saying I'm in love with it
05:34:22 [GabeW]
just that it feels nice to work with it -- at least in the trivial way I am now
05:34:22 [AaronSw]
i suppose it might be cool if you had an editor that gernerated the nescessary parens from whitespace-indented trees
05:34:27 [GabeW]
hehe
05:34:37 [GabeW]
we're talking about e-lisp here ;-)
05:34:42 [AaronSw]
oh?
05:35:55 [GabeW]
well, this started when I had emacs open and wanted to do something and it just kind of kept on going from there
05:36:09 [GabeW]
I took a class that required us to learn lisp in undergrad, so I kinda knew what I was doing
05:36:31 [AaronSw]
aha
05:36:41 [AaronSw]
does emacs do the paren generation?
05:37:05 [GabeW]
oh no
05:37:13 [GabeW]
but it does do expression highlighting
05:37:18 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has managed to avoid learning Esc-Meta-Alt-Cokebottle commands
05:38:53 [GabeW]
I've been using emacs probably for 5-6 years and I learn something new every week..
05:39:11 [AaronSw]
i'm not sure whether that's good or bad. ;-)
05:39:51 [GabeW]
its at least *interesting* ;-)
05:40:20 [AaronSw]
Emacs: Entertainment while you code.
05:40:29 [GabeW]
absolutamente!
05:40:41 [GabeW]
and the mines game in xemacs is swell!
05:40:49 [AaronSw]
oh man
05:40:58 [AaronSw]
now i know what people w/o IRC do all day
05:41:16 [GabeW]
learn elisp and xslt!
05:42:13 [AaronSw]
zope's webdav server seems rather convinced that / does not exist
05:46:21 [AaronSw]
well, if emacs is entertaing, zope must breed insanity
05:46:34 [GabeW]
woohoo
05:47:51 [deus_x]
That's okay, if you return to emacs after Zope, it has a psychologist built in to help you.
05:48:39 [AaronSw]
ah, eliza
05:49:02 [deus_x]
And if you happen to use emacs to edit content in Zope via efs/tramp, you can have eliza in another buffer coaxing you through it.
05:49:26 [AaronSw]
i'm starting to understand emacs' appearl
05:49:32 [AaronSw]
err appeal
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05:49:54 [deus_x]
At one point I even thought it might be useful to have my computer boot up into emacs, but then I snapped out of it.
05:53:25 [AaronSw]
i love how zope lets you login with completely bogus usernames and passwords
05:54:28 [GabeW]
really?
05:54:32 [AaronSw]
yep
05:54:39 [GabeW]
that fucked up d00d
05:54:44 [AaronSw]
it just says "Unauthorized" whenever you do something
05:54:51 [GabeW]
oh
05:55:07 [GabeW]
wait - how is that letting you log in?
05:55:17 [AaronSw]
well, like via FTP for example
05:55:29 [AaronSw]
--
05:55:31 [AaronSw]
220 vorpal FTP server (Medusa Async V1.18 [experimental]) ready.
05:55:31 [AaronSw]
Name (vorpal.logicerror.com:aaronsw): admin
05:55:31 [AaronSw]
331 Password required.
05:55:32 [AaronSw]
Password:
05:55:32 [AaronSw]
230 Login successful.
05:55:32 [AaronSw]
Remote system type is UNIX.
05:55:35 [AaronSw]
--
05:55:50 [AaronSw]
I dunno, i thought login successful implied i did something right
05:56:11 [AaronSw]
and via HTTP, it never tells you that your username or password is invalid. it just says unauthorized
05:56:33 [hazmat]
well for http its a consequence of how basic auth works
05:56:52 [AaronSw]
it could still check the username/password headers
05:57:42 [hazmat]
what its doing internally is raising an exception
05:58:26 [hazmat]
if you use one of the alternative auth schemes you can have it do other stuff like comment on wrong username, wrong pass etc.
05:59:39 [hazmat]
agh.. i guess it isn't a consequence of basic auth then.
05:59:54 [AaronSw]
yeah, eactly
06:00:42 [AaronSw]
sbp, are you on?
06:01:35 [AaronSw]
hmm, it does appear so
06:04:22 [AaronSw]
how hard is it to do pagination in zope? i.e. break up my folder of 300 pics into 3 separate pages
06:04:40 [AaronSw]
well... just have them be displayed that way -- not actually move the pics
06:05:21 [hazmat]
easy.
06:05:39 [AaronSw]
ok, good
06:07:54 [sbp]
* sbp waves
06:08:11 [sbp]
Sorry, I was trying out a cool undelete utility on some of my old discs
06:08:29 [AaronSw]
ooh, neat
06:08:59 [sbp]
you're having some difficulty with Zope/HTTP auth?
06:09:17 [AaronSw]
just zope and webdav in general
06:09:34 [sbp]
how are the files? Have you even been able to FTP them yet?
06:10:32 [AaronSw]
i'm working on it now
06:10:49 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.hyperorg.com/gifs/innovationchart1.jpg
06:11:29 [sbp]
heh: http://www.satirewire.com/briefs/polygamy.shtml
06:15:51 [sbp]
@ http://www.unblinking.com/heh/googlewhack.htm
06:15:57 [chumpster]
B: http://www.unblinking.com/heh/googlewhack.htm from sbp
06:16:21 [sbp]
B:|Googlewhack
06:16:22 [chumpster]
titled item B
06:16:52 [hazmat]
.google google linux kernel cluster
06:16:53 [xena]
google linux kernel cluster: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Parallel_Computing/Beowulf
06:20:15 [sbp]
there are over 100 fecking results for "antimatter cannibalism"!
06:20:30 [AaronSw]
heh
06:21:11 [AaronSw]
i already found some winning googlewhacks
06:21:19 [AaronSw]
but not enough Marks marks, tho
06:22:25 [sbp]
"antimatter toponymy" is a Googlewhack, today
06:22:56 [sbp]
but in a few days? it'll be on #swhack
06:23:18 [AaronSw]
that's what makes googlewhacking so curious
06:23:34 [AaronSw]
.google antimatter toponymy
06:23:35 [xena]
no results found.
06:23:46 [AaronSw]
no, you need one hit to be a googlewhack
06:23:54 [sbp]
oh. tsk
06:24:40 [AaronSw]
I better sleep. Photos are uploading, slowly.
06:24:49 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw hits return a few 100 more times, just in case
06:25:11 [AaronSw]
nite
06:25:26 [sbp]
'night
06:32:29 [sbp]
hooray!
06:32:31 [sbp]
"microtubules toponymy"
06:32:33 [sbp]
.google microtubules toponymy
06:32:34 [xena]
microtubules toponymy: http://www.crrel.usace.army.mil/library/antarctic/antar32.htm
06:33:34 [sbp]
of course, that's soon to change
06:36:21 [sbp]
heh: http://www.blastitude.com/5/pg8.htm
06:40:36 [sbp]
anyway... to score up
06:40:42 [sbp]
microtubules: 41,800
06:41:03 [sbp]
toponymy: 3,350
06:41:06 [sbp]
that's feeble
06:41:34 [sbp]
140,030,000
06:43:20 [sbp]
Hmm... vestigial tripminder
06:43:22 [sbp]
.google vestigial tripminder
06:43:23 [xena]
vestigial tripminder: http://www.geocities.com/jeeves77/cougar.html
06:44:09 [sbp]
vestigial: 33,100; tripminder: 96; 3,177,600
06:48:39 [sbp]
"sbp toponymy" is a Googlewhack!
06:48:54 [sbp]
but sbp isn't strictly a word...
06:49:30 [sbp]
sbp: 142,000; toponymy: 3,350; 475,700,000
06:49:41 [sbp]
anyway...
06:49:44 [sbp]
Gotta run
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15:42:59 [AaronSw]
.google googlewhacking
15:44:33 [xena]
googlewhacking: http://www.garyturner.net/blog.html&e=922
15:55:11 [AaronSw]
Noah Grey is blogging again: http://www.noahgrey.com/
15:55:41 [AaronSw]
@http://www.noahgrey.com/
15:55:43 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.noahgrey.com/
15:56:28 [chumpster]
C: http://www.noahgrey.com/ from AaronSw
15:56:45 [AaronSw]
C:|noah grey
15:56:53 [AaronSw]
C::As poweful as ever.
15:57:25 [chumpster]
titled item C
15:58:05 [chumpster]
commented item C
16:20:47 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/23807.html
16:21:05 [AaronSw]
D:|Woz goes wireless - by stealth
16:22:12 [chumpster]
D: The Register from AaronSw
16:22:52 [chumpster]
titled item D
16:22:56 [AaronSw]
D::Woz working on new GPS/802.11 project to find household items? Sounds like what danbri and I were looking for.
16:23:18 [AaronSw]
D::via [http://www.robotwisdom.com/|Jorn]
16:23:35 [chumpster]
commented item D
16:24:16 [chumpster]
commented item D
16:24:17 [AaronSw]
McCusker: "Did you know I always name my hard disk "chaos"? Discordian."
16:25:16 [AaronSw]
heh: 'Poe showed me a comic. "Look! XML Avengers just came out!"'
16:39:55 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Due to sponsor commitments we will need to do some rerouting in a few minutes. One main rotation, a European hub and a couple of small servers will be affected. They'll split and rejoin. Apologies for the inconvenience.
16:43:40 [AaronSw]
D::New York Times: [Satellite Start-Up for Apple Co-Founder|http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/23/technology/ebusiness/23WHEE.html]
16:44:20 [chumpster]
commented item D
16:44:20 [AaronSw]
D::via [BoingBoing|http://boingboing.net/2002_01_01_archive.html#8973248]
16:45:00 [chumpster]
commented item D
16:48:02 [AaronSw]
Boingo launches!!
16:56:29 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Okay folks. We will now have a major netsplit and join to fix that sponsor problem, followed by a couple more smaller ones. Please bear with us.
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17:02:18 [sbp]
Oh, fuck me - Noah Grey is doing better than I am w.r.t. his agoraphobia!
17:02:40 [sbp]
"""For the first time, I did my own grocery shopping, paying for them myself; and for the first time, paying for things myself became an almost-ordinary matter of course."""
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17:04:54 [sbp]
But it's truly great that he seems to be recovering a bit
17:05:19 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
17:05:28 [AaronSw]
He's also way older than you -- he's getting married, dude.
17:05:50 [sbp]
Oh. Wow
17:06:03 [AaronSw]
That's why he's felling so much better.
17:06:06 [AaronSw]
err feeling
17:06:28 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.macscripter.net/unscripted.html
17:07:58 [sbp]
wonderful account:-
17:07:59 [sbp]
[[[
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I am not going in the field.
17:07:59 [sbp]
"Wouldn't it be great if you could—"
17:07:59 [sbp]
I am not going in the field.
17:08:04 [sbp]
]]] - http://noahgrey.com/archives/old/00000134.shtml
17:13:04 [AaronSw]
that's an awesome story
17:20:41 [sbp]
that unscripted story is pretty awesome too :-)
17:21:07 [AaronSw]
yeah, wondering if i should do something like that to my TiBook ;)
17:21:17 [sbp]
heh, heh
17:23:13 [AaronSw]
ouch. Jim Roepecke got laid off yesterday. His son is being born today. http://jim.roepcke.com/2002/01/23#item4035
17:25:08 [sbp]
ooh, that's not good
17:38:04 [sbp]
heh: """I'm guessing that most people don't go beyond the second page of search query results before changing or refining a search. So does anyone actually check pages 3 - 3,200,000? (on a ten results per page query) No I don't think they do.""" - http://www.garyturner.net/blog.html
17:39:06 [sbp]
the funny bit is that he goes on to suggest a Google "replacement"
17:42:07 [AaronSw]
D::Reuters: [Apple Creator Wozniak Forms Start-Up|http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/020123/business_tech_wozniak_startup_dc_1.html] (via [BoingBoing|http://boingboing.net/2002_01_01_archive.html#8971528], [/.|http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/23/1516249&mode=thread])
17:42:09 [chumpster]
commented item D
17:42:41 [AaronSw]
fuel-powered powerbooks? http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,49717,00.html
18:06:42 [sbp]
Wozniak: """Woz:I actually sent Bill an email with a picture of myself smiling as I got 'pied' after my college graduation. It was for fun, to make a photo captioned "Apple Pie-in-ear" (pioneer) and I appreciated the humor.""" - http://www.woz.com/
18:07:19 [AaronSw]
lol
18:07:51 [AaronSw]
woz is so great
18:08:27 [AaronSw]
@ http://homepage.mac.com/steve/Resume.html
18:08:33 [chumpster]
E: Steve's Resume from AaronSw
18:08:45 [AaronSw]
E::via [Woz|http://www.woz.com/]
18:08:46 [chumpster]
commented item E
18:08:54 [AaronSw]
E::Steve's not currently looking for work, AFAIK.
18:08:55 [chumpster]
commented item E
18:09:09 [AaronSw]
objective: 'I'm looking for a fixer-upper with a solid foundation. Am willing to tear down walls, build bridges, and light fires. I have great experience, lots of energy, a bit of that "vision thing" and I'm not afraid to start from the beginning.'
18:09:55 [AaronSw]
lol: on his work at the original Apple "Invested heavily in funding start-up company (Sold my VW mini-bus)."
18:10:10 [AaronSw]
E::Really funny resume.
18:10:11 [chumpster]
commented item E
18:12:37 [sbp]
weird, I was just reading that!
18:12:57 [sbp]
I was going to paste the link in here... to find that you'd chumped it
18:13:11 [AaronSw]
heh
18:13:53 [AaronSw]
heh, Woz likes this checkers programm that can beat every human on earth.
18:14:24 [AaronSw]
it can see a win from 157 moves away. (most of my games don't even last that long!)
18:15:08 [sbp]
ugh, I was just reading that page too
18:16:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes back to coding PyChord
18:16:10 [sbp]
now I'm watching http://homepage.mac.com/steve/iMovieTheater.html Is that O.K., or do you want to look at it too? :-)
18:16:15 [sbp]
heh, heh
18:16:22 [AaronSw]
oh, i already watched that.
18:16:28 [sbp]
aaaaaaaaargh!
18:16:37 [AaronSw]
lol! we must have they same surfing havits.
18:16:42 [AaronSw]
err habits
18:16:54 [sbp]
except that I'm a little slow
18:17:01 [AaronSw]
well, you need a faster modem
18:17:26 [sbp]
true
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18:34:22 [AaronSw]
hey rillian
18:34:26 [AaronSw]
man, The Cirlce code is a mess
18:37:33 [rillian]
hey there
18:46:16 [rillian]
did you see the article on everquest's economy on /.?
18:49:36 [AaronSw]
hmm, no...
18:50:23 [AaronSw]
wow, interesting
18:51:23 [AaronSw]
"Norrath's GDP per capita is higher than that of China and India; its currency sells for about a penny per platinum piece, which makes it more valuable in $US than the yen; a typical person can make about US$3.50 an hour working there by farming the bots and selling the loot; the deflation rate is almost 30 percent annually."
18:52:08 [AaronSw]
site seems to be slashdotted
18:52:11 [AaronSw]
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=294828
18:57:14 [AaronSw]
neat: http://www.archive.org/internet/LoC_sculpture.html
18:57:56 [rillian]
yep
18:58:51 [sbp]
Gotta run
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um
19:03:50 [AaronSw]
that was interesting
19:04:51 [AaronSw]
sbp and aaron play the visualization game:
19:05:01 [AaronSw]
<sbp> The chunky cheese laden Suez canal yesterday took a whizzing leap through a gorge of pleasurable mistrusts, landing upside out in a gurgle of palindromic hippos. The ramifications on purple envelope holding cape frogs are not known at this time, but we will keep you informed
19:05:12 [rillian]
AaronSw: http://snow.thaumas.net/~giles/SSRN_ID294828_code020114590.pdf
19:05:26 [AaronSw]
canal, cheese in it, jumps up in the air, into a gorge with pleasurable mistrusts on the side, spils its upside (the cheese) on to symetric hippos in a big gurgling orgy sort of thing. while the cape frogs sit watching CNN fidling purple envelopes
19:05:29 [AaronSw]
thanks, rillian
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19:09:25 [AaronSw]
Ooh, an encrypted PDF.
19:09:32 [AaronSw]
wow, 40-bit RC4 encryption
19:09:48 [AaronSw]
what's the point of encrypting it if it's designed to be read?
19:10:16 [deltab]
so that you can't print it or copy parts of it, of course
19:10:25 [AaronSw]
no, printing is allowed
19:10:33 [deltab]
ah
19:10:46 [AaronSw]
my question is really: where's the encryption key? it has to be on my machine if i'm to read it
19:11:15 [rillian]
* rillian should know the answer to that
19:11:36 [AaronSw]
and if i have the encryption key, what's the point of encrypting it?
19:11:51 [AaronSw]
doesn't ghostscript have the decryption stuff built-in?
19:12:01 [rillian]
probably means the 'what-can-you-modify' bits are password-protected
19:12:20 [rillian]
which of course is up to the viewer app to enforce
19:12:28 [rillian]
AaronSw: gs supports decryption, but that's all
19:12:33 [AaronSw]
interesting
19:12:55 [rillian]
you actually can encrypt the internal document data
19:13:07 [rillian]
so that you need the passphrase to read it
19:13:22 [AaronSw]
that makes sense
19:13:34 [rillian]
makes more sense to run the whole thing through gpg :)
19:13:44 [AaronSw]
:)
19:14:10 [rillian]
but like most drm stuff, the rest of it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
19:14:34 [AaronSw]
Heh: "And I assure you, I faced many dangers, and died many, many times, in order to gather impressions and bring them back for you."
19:25:44 [deus_x]
Wow, we just got AirPort in our office. It's like magic.
19:25:49 [AaronSw]
heh, it's awesome
19:26:12 [deus_x]
I just took my iBook outside with me for a smoke.
19:26:25 [AaronSw]
lol
19:26:37 [deus_x]
I need to give up the cigarettes, but maybe I still have an excuse to go outside.
19:26:49 [deus_x]
"Because it still works out there!"
19:27:54 [hazmat]
i need to quit as well...
19:28:00 [AaronSw]
This article is great: 'Thinking that an Elizabethan tone would be helpful, I shout "Brave adventurers! I seek safe conduct to Rivervale! I can only compensate you with my eternal gratitude!" The woods and fields erupt in guffaws and insults: "ne1 want to hold the newbie's hand?" and "geteth a clueth you n00beth." then i get eaten by a bear.'
20:03:11 [AaronSw]
BLURB:On this day...
20:03:14 [chumpster]
F: On this day... from AaronSw
20:03:37 [AaronSw]
F::...in 1984 the first Macintosh was introduced.
20:03:39 [chumpster]
commented item F
20:07:48 [sbp]
really? cool
20:22:39 [AaronSw]
photos at http://vorpal.logicerror.com:8080/aaronsw/photos/uk2001/ if you haven't noticed yet [non-cool uri]
20:23:21 [AaronSw]
I was thinking about putting http://vorpal.logicerror.com:8080/aaronsw/photos/uk2001/IMG_1029.JPG/view on c2.com ;-)
20:27:35 [deltab]
vorpal.logicerror? you should have something like paradox or beggingthequestion
20:28:29 [AaronSw]
heh
20:28:38 [AaronSw]
i hadn't tought of that.
20:28:42 [AaronSw]
converse and inverse, too
20:31:44 [AaronSw]
oh, sbp. I was curious if this is where the word 'smeg' came from: http://vorpal.logicerror.com:8080/aaronsw/photos/uk2001/IMG_1020.JPG/view ;-)
20:31:47 [rillian]
Have I hit you guys up for your opions on the Mile End yet?
20:31:56 [AaronSw]
I don't think so. Mile End?
20:32:24 [rillian]
in London's East End
20:32:31 [rillian]
Queen Mary U of London
20:32:40 [rillian]
what's it like as a place to live?
20:33:54 [AaronSw]
oh, right
20:38:43 [rillian]
I did ask then? :-)
20:39:51 [AaronSw]
yes, you did ask us
20:39:51 [AaronSw]
on the flight back we learned that the airline was an XML pioneer, having developed the PiZza Markup Language (PZML): http://vorpal.logicerror.com:8080/aaronsw/photos/uk2001/IMG_1172.JPG/view
20:39:53 [AaronSw]
yes.
20:39:55 [AaronSw]
.google swhack rillian queen mary
20:40:16 [rillian]
heh
20:40:40 [rillian]
so, any suggestions for getting terminal.app to launch under ssh.agent?
20:40:44 [rillian]
ssh-agent?
20:43:00 [sbp]
* sbp returns
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* sbp looks through photos
20:45:20 [sbp]
where'd the Wiki Web image come from?
20:46:07 [AaronSw]
This is an interesting email: "Can you post this to we site."
20:46:42 [xena]
no results found.
20:47:50 [sbp]
Heh, that one of Stu looks funny
20:51:33 [AaronSw]
rillian, wes has instructions on his site
20:51:39 [AaronSw]
.google hack terminal.app ssh-agent
20:51:43 [xena]
hack terminal.app ssh-agent: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$3415?mode=day
20:52:08 [AaronSw]
the wiki web image was taken at some big toy store on Oxford Street
20:53:32 [AaronSw]
anyone know what microsoft publisher files contain?
21:23:01 [rillian]
nope, sorry
21:23:44 [rillian]
AaronSw: that link isn't helpful
21:24:06 [AaronSw]
hmm... let me see if i can dig up the message then
21:24:47 [AaronSw]
this might work: http://cory.eecs.berkeley.edu/~kevinvv/SSHAgentServices.html
21:25:40 [rillian]
aha. I thought it might have to be something like that
21:25:56 [rillian]
the problem is you can't launch application bundles from the command line
21:27:45 [AaronSw]
there's some more stuff at http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:7QIyd7t2hDgC:wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader%245577%3Fmode%3Dtopic
21:31:25 [rillian]
huh. I thought they all had to be children of the ssh-agent process
21:31:29 [rillian]
for security
21:31:43 [rillian]
but I guess running your entire session isn't that much more secure
21:37:26 [sbp]
Well, it all started with Morbus' odd little rantings elsewhere on the great OPN network
21:37:50 [sbp]
I was like, "no way nark, no way is it gonna happen, see? You can't out-weird me, no way!"
21:38:08 [sbp]
[21:28] <sbp> Like a rhapsody in colorful kindness, Rick said, "get your toe out of my nose-hair clippers' dunebuggy!"
21:38:09 [sbp]
[21:28] <sbp> beat that for insanity, Morbus
21:38:25 [sbp]
[much ranting]
21:38:26 [sbp]
[21:28] <AaronSw> no one has been able to come up with a sentence i can't visualize, yet.
21:38:43 [AaronSw]
[i used to play this game with family]
21:38:53 [sbp]
[N.B. erm... the datestamps aren't correct - I should have set dircproxy up to give me them]
21:39:05 [sbp]
I proposed: <sbp> Funky candles hold large almond shaving ideas in holled out underwear
21:39:14 [sbp]
Aaron deftly countered: <AaronSw> funky looking candles on the left holding out underwear filled with ideas about how almond-shaving will take over the world
21:39:26 [sbp]
then came the chuzzler: <sbp> The chunky cheese laden Suez canal yesterday took a whizzing leap through a gorge of pleasurable mistrusts, landing upside out in a gurgle of palindromic hippos. The ramifications on purple envelope holding cape frogs are not known at this time, but we will keep you informed
21:39:34 [AaronSw]
.wn chuzzler
21:39:39 [sbp]
but Aaron was defiant: <AaronSw> canal, cheese in it, jumps up in the air, into a gorge with pleasurable mistrusts on the side, spils its upside (the cheese) on to symetric hippos in a big gurgling orgy sort of thing
21:39:51 [sbp]
and thus we arrive to the current state of play
21:40:16 [sbp]
I must scheme and strategize, in order to secure certain victory
21:42:55 [sbp]
The filleted sidewalk, its pockets ablazen with meritous certainties, cascaded under a dish of wanton harmony - sinues poised like a carbon flame in the heath, caramel always licking the spoon
21:43:45 [AaronSw]
ooh, he's good.
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21:45:26 [Morbus]
logster, where am i?
21:45:26 [Morbus]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-01-24#T21-45-26
21:45:30 [Morbus]
thanks, logster.
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21:47:18 [rillian]
AaronSw: thanks for the ssh-agent links
21:47:26 [AaronSw]
np, did they work?
21:47:48 [AaronSw]
a rather charred sidewalk, cracks filled with sparkling good news, flows under a big plate of bad music, cracks making a flame shape (to heat the dish), in a big pot of melted caramel, all on a spoon, but tending to flow off the edge
21:48:01 [AaronSw]
take that!
21:48:10 [AaronSw]
very tricky, i must admit
21:48:16 [sbp]
ooh, good interpretation
21:49:04 [sbp]
although I'm not sure how "wanton" morphed into "bad" :-)
21:49:24 [AaronSw]
really?
21:49:37 [sbp]
* sbp can tell that he can't just spew out any old crap - he must construct and construe
21:49:59 [rillian]
AaronSw: the env trick works. have the relogin to see if the LoginServices plugin works
21:50:06 [AaronSw]
wanton: "Marked by unprovoked, gratuitous maliciousness; capricious and unjust: wanton destruction."
21:50:16 [rillian]
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21:50:21 [sbp]
fair enough
21:51:16 [sbp]
rillian does an awful lot of laundry, doesn't he?
21:51:48 [AaronSw]
you think?
21:52:26 [sbp]
I do indeed
21:52:44 [AaronSw]
i assume he shares it with his flatmates
21:53:12 [sbp]
yeah
21:55:17 [sbp]
I must run in order to avoid missing Frasier. I shall return to hopefully conclude the game a bit later on
22:15:29 [AaronSw]
i remembered part of the chorus to that song i was looking for
22:15:29 [AaronSw]
well... the tune, not the words
22:16:43 [AaronSw]
perhaps "trapped!" by the misfits
22:21:16 [AaronSw]
nope
22:28:49 [AaronSw]
oooh! I found it
22:28:49 [AaronSw]
the lyrics were really "rap, rap, rap, they call him the Rapper"
22:30:05 [AaronSw]
"Rapper", by Jaggerz
22:30:33 [sbp]
come again?
22:31:12 [AaronSw]
remember that song i was looking for
22:31:12 [AaronSw]
the one i heard on the radio
22:31:26 [sbp]
I thought it was "Trapped" by Bruce Springsteen?
22:31:27 [AaronSw]
i thought it was "trapped trapped trapped", etc.
22:31:35 [AaronSw]
nope, i was wrong
22:32:04 [sbp]
you also said that it sounded a bit like the later Beatles songs, didn't you?
22:32:26 [AaronSw]
yep
22:33:17 [AaronSw]
i'm pretty sure this one is it... downloading it now
22:35:30 [AaronSw]
ok... here we go
22:35:30 [AaronSw]
yep, this is it!
22:42:45 [sbp]
* sbp checks out the SWAG action from this day one year ago
22:44:01 [sbp]
[[[
22:44:02 [sbp]
> My advice: leave it, forget it, let it rest, write some code,
22:44:02 [sbp]
> prod Aaron and Seth to enable queries, etc.
22:44:02 [sbp]
This is being worked upon now. Hopefully we will have something to play
22:44:02 [sbp]
around with, but we need more data in the database first :-)
22:44:02 [sbp]
]]]
22:44:11 [sbp]
From: "Sean B. Palmer" <sean@mysterylights.com>
22:44:12 [sbp]
To: <swag-dev@egroups.com>
22:44:12 [sbp]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:14 PM
22:44:12 [sbp]
Subject: Re: SWAG: What is the Semantic Web?
22:45:04 [sbp]
Hmm... my posts started to straighten up about March-time, I suppose
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22:47:03 [AaronSw]
Are you like doing "On this day in SWAG" or something?
22:47:23 [AaronSw]
straighten up?
22:47:37 [sbp]
yes, and yes
22:51:44 [AaronSw]
This ZeoSync "perfect compression" is crazy.
22:52:03 [sbp]
heh, yeah. I think I reported that on BIOH
22:52:05 [AaronSw]
They claim that by representing things in higher-dimensional space the same "point" can represent multiple objects (a square and a cube)
22:52:20 [sbp]
heh, heh
22:52:30 [AaronSw]
They use the "Low Kolmogorov Complexity construct".
22:52:42 [AaronSw]
Thus the pigeonhole principle is false.
22:52:43 [sbp]
oh of course. It's all so obvious now
22:52:57 [sbp]
Well, we'll see just how good it is when they release it
22:53:07 [deltab]
sounds like a method used to analyse sequences for randomness
22:53:17 [sbp]
But I have a feeling that it may be released on April 1st :-)
22:53:42 [AaronSw]
Hmm, but they say that if the multidimensional space is saturated, then it doesn't work.
22:54:01 [deltab]
of course
22:54:12 [sbp]
what article are you reading?
22:54:21 [AaronSw]
Zeosync.com (flash)
22:55:32 [AaronSw]
Technology > Technical Process
22:55:37 [sbp]
ugh, I *hate* it when sites have music to them
22:55:43 [AaronSw]
bad music too
22:55:56 [sbp]
I mean, as if Flash wasn't bad enough to begin with
22:57:07 [AaronSw]
I'm not sure how'd they prove that it worked without releasing the software, tho.
22:57:15 [sbp]
argh! How do I get it to shut the fuck up?
22:57:23 [AaronSw]
click the sound button in the upper right
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the little speaker icon
22:58:19 [sbp]
too late - I copied the text out into a text editor and shut the damn thing up
23:00:39 [sbp]
wow, they really piled the crap into that, didn't they? My favourite bit is "it is possible and is not a theoretical impossibility "
23:02:04 [sbp]
I like the trademarks most of all
23:02:12 [AaronSw]
heh
23:02:28 [AaronSw]
whatever happened to BIOH?
23:02:34 [sbp]
still, it's promising, as long as people don't keep spouting it as "perfect compression". Perfect compression is a stupid term
23:02:46 [sbp]
BIOH: dunno. Got bored with it, I suppose
23:03:06 [AaronSw]
perfect compression would be cool, tho
23:03:17 [sbp]
but what is perfect compression?
23:03:27 [AaronSw]
it's the ability to represent everything with one symbol
23:03:35 [sbp]
which is impossible
23:03:35 [AaronSw]
or simply the existance of a message
23:03:57 [AaronSw]
i dunno
23:04:02 [sbp]
*or* you could define perfect compression as the best possible algorithm for compressing data
23:04:22 [AaronSw]
but how do you define best?
23:04:48 [sbp]
which in current compression schemes is kinda impossible too, since for every compression algorithm, there is a series of data which are imcompressable
23:04:54 [sbp]
best: dunno
23:05:18 [AaronSw]
a better way to define it would be the ability to order the possible inputs have them compressed to their position in the order.
23:05:26 [sbp]
but if this can compress average text files 10 times better than the best compression algorithms to date, then I reckon that's a success
23:06:44 [AaronSw]
wow, CNET owns com.com
23:06:49 [sbp]
wool
23:06:53 [sbp]
wool? heh, heh
23:06:59 [AaronSw]
thus news.com.com
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www.com, I presume
23:07:06 [AaronSw]
no, that's some isp
23:07:25 [sbp]
it used to be some music place, as I recall
23:07:45 [sbp]
but I meant www.com.com
23:08:16 [sbp]
Hmm... same as com.com
23:08:17 [AaronSw]
hmm, now it's some crazy portal
23:09:06 [sbp]
it won't last long, I'll bet
23:09:35 [deltab]
http://faqs.org/faqs/compression-faq/part1/section-8.html
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thanks, deltab
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Morbus woz 'ere?
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lmfjyh obfuscated C: http://www.ioccc.org/years.html
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