00:01:48 does anybody here know in what version HTMLParser was introduced to the Python stdlib? 00:06:24 Hmm... it seems that it was introduced in 2.2 00:13:12 ooh, O'Reilly wrote back on my Plex proposal... 00:13:26 aww, they rejected it. 00:15:59 tsk 00:16:06 oh well 00:17:02 wow, you didn't tell us about that. How many other things do you have hiding in the grotto? :-) 00:20:26 sure i did 00:20:29 i had you read over it 00:20:37 ooh, I should start a Plex newsletter 00:20:44 Did I? Ugh, I apologize 00:20:57 i dunno... i thought you did 00:21:59 don't think so. I rarely know what you're doing Plex-wise from one day to another. Yu're too busy doing it, I guess :-) 00:24:48 ugh, I can't get MN to run. At all 00:24:54 really? 00:25:00 did you grab the windows binary? 00:25:39 yep. 0.999 00:25:47 perhaps I should try the stable one 00:26:23 Hmm... quickstart says that it'll open "C:\Program Files\Mojo Nation\config\broker\intropage.html", but the file doesn't even exist. Perhaps it's created on the first run 00:34:42 I wonder if there's a Mac OS X theme for Windows? 00:34:46 .google Mac OS X theme for Windows? 00:34:47 Mac OS X theme for Windows: http://www.macosxhints.com 00:35:18 erm... right 00:35:24 .google "Mac OS X theme for Windows" 00:35:25 no results found. 00:43:36 heh: http://m5p.com/~pravn/foot.html 00:50:09 Aaron, have you checked out iMesh? any good? 01:01:36 tansaku has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:02:58 SeanP (~sean@m332-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:03:12 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m332-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 01:03:20 SeanP is now known as sbp 01:03:36 Aaron, WTF is up with dircproxy? 01:03:40 it just went nuts 01:03:57 it kept letting me in, spewing hundreds of lines at me, and then botting me off immediately 01:08:32 heh, another discussion about artists getting paid at the dinner table. 01:08:41 sorry, was at dinner 01:08:57 .google aqua windows 01:08:58 aqua windows: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/aqua.html 01:09:10 iMesh is windows only so i haven't used it 01:09:19 i hear fastrack/kazaa/morpheus is good tho 01:09:27 * sbp will test it for you 01:09:43 Um... could you possibly fix dircproxy in the meantime, though? 01:09:44 .aqua litestep theme 01:09:50 what's wrong, exactly? 01:10:02 and how do you propose i fix it? 01:10:22 I'm not sure. I just goes berserk when I log into it 01:10:25 .google aqua litestep theme 01:10:26 and then kicks me off 01:10:26 aqua litestep theme: http://www.themes.org/forums/gtk/147 01:10:33 i'll restart it... 01:10:39 thanks 01:10:58 ok 01:11:02 it should be back up now 01:11:15 thanks, I'll try it (and thanks for the Aqua links) 01:11:22 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 01:11:43 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:12:19 O.K., it seems to be back in business! thank you 01:12:23 sure 01:12:33 Hmm... "Styling Sheets". What does that remind you of? :-) 01:13:07 where's that from? 01:13:27 ugh: http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1476651-100-1486723.html 01:13:30 from the Aqua page 01:14:45 .google Mac OS 9 fiel system Python 01:14:45 Mac OS 9 fiel system Python: http://www.schockwellenreiter.de 01:14:53 .google Mac OS 9 file system Python 01:14:54 Mac OS 9 file system Python: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/macosmm/toc.html 01:15:31 DanC got a version of it running in Python, so that he could scrape some old files from a disc 01:15:55 lol! http://yellow5.com/pokey/archive/index177.html 01:15:58 Pokey is so funny 01:16:38 heh, heh @ Aqua Theme 01:16:53 Bizzare 01:17:28 * sbp should scan Fred and Bert one day 01:17:29 er... Fred and Larry 01:17:50 TwistedMatrix uses the GREASE plan. 01:18:02 of course, I don't have a scanner. I'd have to fax it to myself 01:19:40 * sbp considers porting RDF Author from Mac 01:23:46 Now it's time for the reschedule Magical Mystery Tour. 01:23:50 c'ya l8r d00d 01:25:41 heh. c'ya 01:27:59 * sbp reads about AppleScript 01:28:37 quite funny, really 01:29:06 like sh for toddlers 01:48:03 .google IceWM 01:48:04 IceWM: http://www.icewm.org 01:52:21 rillian (~giles@mist.thaumas.net) has joined #swhack 01:53:31 Hi rillian 01:53:38 howdy 01:54:10 aha: http://www.cluff.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html 01:55:50 @ http://www.cluff.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html 01:55:54 chump it! 01:55:56 A: http://www.cluff.demon.co.uk/tutorial.html from sbp 01:56:03 A:|A Tutorial on how to make Windows look like Mac OS X 01:56:04 titled item A 01:57:42 A:\ewwwwwww! use litestep and icesphere, not the shit suggested by the above url 01:57:59 A::ewwwwwww! use litestep and icesphere, not the shit suggested by the above url 01:58:00 commented item A 01:58:17 "url"? How old fashined are you? :-) 01:58:32 Can you point me to a discussion of litestep and icesphere? 01:59:21 *sigh* I'll find it myself 01:59:27 .google litestep icesphere 01:59:28 heh 01:59:28 litestep icesphere: http://icesphere.hellbent.com/devteam.shtml 02:02:11 .google litestep Aqua 02:02:12 litestep Aqua: http://www.wincustomize.com/directory.asp 02:05:30 * sbp finds http://www.wam.umd.edu/~razambon/LSFAQ/ 02:11:09 * sbp wonders why he didn't get litestep before 02:11:22 Hmm... perhaps because I can't find a distribution 02:12:57 ah: http://www.litestep.net/ 02:13:17 * deus_x wakes up. 02:13:37 I don't know if I should have, but I turned the Friends view on livejournal.com into RSS 02:15:59 was that already available b4? 02:16:08 * sbp finds http://builds.lsdev.org/ 02:16:31 Well, there's an RSS view on one's own journal made recently, but no RSS for the aggregate friends view that I knew of 02:17:57 wow, it's not even half a MB 02:29:03 lol! new in 0.9.7: "Mozilla now has support for digest access authentication." 02:30:11 What took it so long? I implemented digest in QuickPut rather quickly 02:55:18 tansaku (~sam@n145-057.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 02:56:57 Ah, that was a great movie. 02:57:17 Apparently they never showed it in the states, so my Mum had never seen it. 02:57:47 * sbp searches for an Aqua theme for LiteStep 02:58:11 heh: 02:58:11 * sbp reads about AppleScript 02:58:11 quite funny, really 02:58:11 heh, as that shoot yourself in the foot doc says: 02:58:11 Put the first bullet of the gun into the foot left of leg of you. Answer the result. 02:58:12 Motif 02:58:32 Motif? 02:58:34 rillian, what was the cake for yesterday? 02:58:42 err, just ignore that. copied too much ;) 02:59:00 AaronSw: flatmate's bday 02:59:09 unfortunately, she's too sick to enjoy it 02:59:35 aw. 03:00:27 sbp, ever thought of asking #litestep? 03:00:57 good idea 03:01:27 Heh heh 03:01:44 WTF is going on in there? 03:02:31 ah, it's a bridge 03:04:37 quick, get your name on an MIT building! http://web.mit.edu/giving/priorities/campus/building/medialab.html 03:06:25 I want the cafe! 03:13:06 i got the lounge! 03:13:24 cheapskate 03:14:41 heh 03:15:11 maybe i'll grab the winter garden then 03:15:15 Can I just claim a bathroom stall? 03:15:37 I only have about $200 to play with, at best. 03:15:52 you'll have to pay extra for the sign 03:16:10 I can provide my own, does that help? 03:16:26 is it up to Campus Standards? (of course not) 03:16:46 Well, I'm getting pretty good with my woodburning kit. 03:17:15 ok, next... 03:17:28 Heehee 03:22:15 hmm, i never noticed that the swhack logs are out of order: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/ 03:23:11 Still looking for a photo album? The one at http://www.liveframe.org appears promising, albeit in perl. 03:26:38 interesting. thanks 03:26:53 hmm, frames and odd uris 03:29:13 eww. POST instead of GET 03:35:53 Ye gods, I'm subscribed to 92 RSS channels. I can't decide whether I need more or to cut down. 03:43:11 deus_x: what do you mean subscribed?? 03:45:30 rillian has quit ("food, bed") 03:45:50 hazmat: Oh, subscribed in my AmphetaDesk install 03:46:18 .google amphetadesk 03:46:19 amphetadesk: http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk 03:46:44 deus_x: add more 03:46:57 I was using Radio UserLand, but it doesn't like my iBook apparently. 03:47:10 is that windows/mac only? 03:47:19 RadioUserLand? yeah 03:47:24 Ampheta has a Linux version, tho 03:47:43 AmphetaDesk is perl, crammed into a shape for each platform :) 03:47:51 i did something similiar with zope, using ocs as my aggregate format. 03:47:58 heh 03:48:04 * tav recalls the news channel product 03:48:15 then how come tav kept bugging me to write one? 03:48:40 ? 03:48:46 hmm, how do I build python... i could run ./configure, setup.py ore ./install-sh 03:48:52 because mine sucked... i think. i was using dom for parsing instead of sax... and i didn't add in user subscribable filters and other goodies. 03:49:11 i rewrote the ocs/rss parsers for sax, but got sidetracked doing other stuff since than. 03:49:35 i'm going to work on it again as extra functionality for the python-repository. 03:49:50 but with subscriptions based on an event channel 03:50:23 hmm, spam assassin blocked one of my xena mails: 03:50:24 SPAM: Hit! (2 points) Message-Id is not valid, according to RFC-2822 03:50:44 so users can subscribe to all sorts of content within the site, have the events pile up in an event queue, which gets periodically flushed, and has user filters applied, so people don't get spammed with updates but instead get their choice of subscription terms and content. 03:51:09 but i digress... back to laundry. 03:51:11 I guess ESP Xnet Mailer 0.9.3.2 still needs some work. 03:51:32 hazmat, that sounds pretty cool 03:51:36 too bad zope hates me 03:54:55 I'm going to hold out for Zope 3 03:55:09 i would like to do that too 03:55:41 .email me@aaronsw.com hi aaronsw 03:55:41 email successfully sent. 03:59:13 so tav, to install zope i run python2.1 wo_pcgi.py, right? 03:59:23 where python2.1 is python2.1.2 04:00:12 whoa, it actually worked 04:04:57 yes 04:14:50 why is ther eno install thingy? 04:18:39 * sbp comes to you from a very different desktop... 04:18:46 using the LiteGnome theme through LiteStep 04:18:53 no aqua? 04:18:54 It's... um... different 04:19:00 I can't find an Aqua theme! 04:19:07 ugh 04:19:12 what about #litestep? 04:19:38 no, they're useless 04:19:54 oh well 04:21:11 the help file is rather funny - I'll try to excerpt it 04:21:24 """First of all, sorry for my bad grammatical errors, I hope you'll understand this piece! i'm a french :-)""" 04:21:42 I love that 04:22:38 heh 04:22:46 hmm, this photo album product won't install 04:25:50 hazmat / tav, how do i install a product. i know it's too simplistic to think i could just drop it in the Products folder. 04:25:58 aha, there's one on http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=6 04:26:51 oh, maybe it'd help if i used the Products folder... 04:26:57 the multiple desktops thing is quite useful 04:32:26 hmm, this photo product doesn't have mass upload? 04:34:14 [non-cool URI omitted] 04:35:14 nice, you can add new metadata properties 04:35:24 but it really needs mass-upload to be useful to me, i think 04:35:29 i guess i can write that 04:37:46 hmm, claims to support webdav and ftp 04:37:55 i wonder if that'll work for me 04:39:44 hmm, i wonder how to start the server... maybe it runs on the normal HTTP port 04:40:33 * sbp has restored his normal desktop 04:40:50 you're not very big on change :) 04:41:26 certainly not 04:41:55 is that agreement or dissent? 04:42:51 agreement 04:47:57 * AaronSw uploads photos to Zope via FTP 04:48:26 * AaronSw gets Transmit, since he's tired of typing y to his ftp client 04:48:31 Ooh, this looks like fun: http://redfoot.sourceforge.net (probably not new to you guys) 04:48:39 yeah, it's neat 04:49:02 Redfoot: been there, haven't been able to install that 04:49:15 you and your poor windows machine 04:49:20 yeah 04:49:23 Really? Oh... 04:49:28 worked fine over here 04:49:29 * deus_x hugs his iBook 04:49:47 * sbp sulks 04:49:59 New button: [Extra Spiffy on Mac OS X] 04:50:13 heh, heh. Very nice 04:50:59 Hmm.. redfoot looks vaguely like what I wanted to do with my Zope-wannabe, only I didn't know what RDF was 04:51:17 heh 04:51:19 You do realize, sbp, that by uploading my photos i'm sort of commiting myself to zope. 04:51:33 * deus_x snickers. 04:52:07 now i have to think up a persistent URI for them. 04:52:11 Hmm... well, I suppose it's... worth it 04:52:18 i think aaronsw.com/photos/ will do 04:52:29 no! just tar.gz them, and send them to me by mail! :-) 04:53:15 i tried to copy stuff off my dictaphone, but it uses some funky audio out port i don't have a chord for! :-( 04:53:17 Now I see I was actually trying to make a database of triples to do perl object persistence. 04:53:32 lol @ chord 04:53:35 Only I didn't actually want to persist perl objects, specifically. 04:53:40 is that a P2Pian slip? 04:53:47 heh, yeah 04:53:58 I almost capitalized it, but thought better. 04:54:10 not much better, i guess :) 04:55:17 hmm, it won't let me move things around in ftp 04:56:43 heh, there are some great photos in here 04:57:26 * hazmat smells zope 04:58:21 indeed 04:58:27 tav told me to upgrade to 2.1.2 and it worked 04:58:38 wow, i took quite a lot of photos. 04:58:42 over 100 04:58:42 cool. 04:59:25 do let us know when they're up :-) 05:00:17 i expect them to be at http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/ someday 05:00:47 digital camera pics, or scanned? 05:01:04 digital 05:01:12 hmm, i seem to have crashed it 05:01:50 anyway to restart just the FTP server? 05:04:28 python z2.py -X -fport_num 05:05:26 warning, the ftp server only works in passive only mode.. 05:05:39 good, my client is the same way 05:05:45 (well, my firewall really...) 05:05:54 to be honest, i found it flakey and generally turn it off on production sites. 05:06:10 and webdav? 05:06:15 works very well 05:06:33 the only problems are non-compliant clients... which zope tries to work around (think ms ;) 05:06:35 do you have to enable it separately? 05:07:05 does it run on the same port as the FTP server? 05:07:09 for source edits yes, you need to turn on a separate source port. for default uploading via PUT it just works. 05:07:15 no, it runs on its own port 05:07:20 webdav is http 05:07:30 s/FTP server/HTTP server/ 05:07:37 sorry... had my mind on FTP 05:08:19 it you can use it over http. but for clients that don't understand 'source-link' you need to turn it on. 05:08:24 s/it/ 05:08:57 iotw. the default http server does webdav, for some clients you might need to turn on the source port via -W command line switch (followed by a port number) 05:10:16 interesting 05:10:37 odd: 05:10:41 PASV 05:10:41 227 Entering Passive Mode (63,149,73,20,6,71) 05:10:41 LIST IMG_0958.JPG 05:10:41 550 Could not list directory. 05:10:47 -- 05:11:30 you need to pass in auth info?? 05:15:51 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:17:34 i guess there's a bug in Zope's FTP 05:17:38 no, no, i'm already logged in 05:17:48 it seems to only support LIST on directories, not files 05:18:05 hey GabeW 05:18:19 yo AaronSw - brb 05:18:21 GabeW has quit (Client Quit) 05:19:06 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-92-153.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:20:23 hello again 05:22:19 hello again agin 05:22:48 like goldfish saying hello 05:24:19 * AaronSw gets an emergency XSLT assistance request: 05:24:20 -- 05:24:28 I've been getting my feet wet with XSL and am really pressed for time. 05:24:29 I want to turn an xml document with this content: 05:24:29 value1 05:24:29 value2 05:24:30 ... 05:24:30 can I help 05:24:30 Into something like: 05:24:31 name1: value1 05:24:33 name2: value2 05:24:35 ... 05:24:37 -- 05:25:16 i think the name() function is useful here 05:25:21 -- 05:25:22 I saw some example code that used "name(.)", but IE 5.1 says it isn't valid 05:25:22 XSL. 05:25:22 -- 05:25:30 Heh, i guess he should upgrade 05:25:48 I think pre ie 5.5 used MS's "xsl" - donno 05:26:06 yeah, it's pretty awful 05:26:12 i find Michael Kay's book really really really useful 05:26:52 I just did some nontrivial XSLT and its almost fun - functional programming is something I've never really gotten into before 05:26:56 tansaku has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:27:15 I looked at the syntax and decided it was for masochists. 05:27:50 for example, Dan Connolly writes HTML presentations of RDF documents in XSLT. it's just insane to me 05:28:17 well, its not that complicated once you understand its really a functional programming language with some funky rules for firing templates (if you want it) 05:29:04 i'm sure it's not that complicated but the strange syntax rules and lack of decent functions make things pretty painful, it seems 05:29:34 yeah, and there are some oddities (like you can't do "two pass" transforms without extensions in 1.0) 05:30:40 * AaronSw tries to find the magic key commands to make MacOSX--WebDAV-->Zope work. 05:31:28 i've also been playing around with lisp some -- fun stuff 05:32:11 ooh, you like? 05:32:26 lisp's another language with syntax problems, i think. 05:33:36 its pleasantly simple 05:33:55 it forces the programmer to conform to the machine, but it then gives you a lot of power to do nifty things 05:34:04 I'm not saying I'm in love with it 05:34:22 just that it feels nice to work with it -- at least in the trivial way I am now 05:34:22 i suppose it might be cool if you had an editor that gernerated the nescessary parens from whitespace-indented trees 05:34:27 hehe 05:34:37 we're talking about e-lisp here ;-) 05:34:42 oh? 05:35:55 well, this started when I had emacs open and wanted to do something and it just kind of kept on going from there 05:36:09 I took a class that required us to learn lisp in undergrad, so I kinda knew what I was doing 05:36:31 aha 05:36:41 does emacs do the paren generation? 05:37:05 oh no 05:37:13 but it does do expression highlighting 05:37:18 * AaronSw has managed to avoid learning Esc-Meta-Alt-Cokebottle commands 05:38:53 I've been using emacs probably for 5-6 years and I learn something new every week.. 05:39:11 i'm not sure whether that's good or bad. ;-) 05:39:51 its at least *interesting* ;-) 05:40:20 Emacs: Entertainment while you code. 05:40:29 absolutamente! 05:40:41 and the mines game in xemacs is swell! 05:40:49 oh man 05:40:58 now i know what people w/o IRC do all day 05:41:16 learn elisp and xslt! 05:42:13 zope's webdav server seems rather convinced that / does not exist 05:46:21 well, if emacs is entertaing, zope must breed insanity 05:46:34 woohoo 05:47:51 That's okay, if you return to emacs after Zope, it has a psychologist built in to help you. 05:48:39 ah, eliza 05:49:02 And if you happen to use emacs to edit content in Zope via efs/tramp, you can have eliza in another buffer coaxing you through it. 05:49:26 i'm starting to understand emacs' appearl 05:49:32 err appeal 05:49:47 tav has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:49:54 At one point I even thought it might be useful to have my computer boot up into emacs, but then I snapped out of it. 05:53:25 i love how zope lets you login with completely bogus usernames and passwords 05:54:28 really? 05:54:32 yep 05:54:39 that fucked up d00d 05:54:44 it just says "Unauthorized" whenever you do something 05:54:51 oh 05:55:07 wait - how is that letting you log in? 05:55:17 well, like via FTP for example 05:55:29 -- 05:55:31 220 vorpal FTP server (Medusa Async V1.18 [experimental]) ready. 05:55:31 Name (vorpal.logicerror.com:aaronsw): admin 05:55:31 331 Password required. 05:55:32 Password: 05:55:32 230 Login successful. 05:55:32 Remote system type is UNIX. 05:55:35 -- 05:55:50 I dunno, i thought login successful implied i did something right 05:56:11 and via HTTP, it never tells you that your username or password is invalid. it just says unauthorized 05:56:33 well for http its a consequence of how basic auth works 05:56:52 it could still check the username/password headers 05:57:42 what its doing internally is raising an exception 05:58:26 if you use one of the alternative auth schemes you can have it do other stuff like comment on wrong username, wrong pass etc. 05:59:39 agh.. i guess it isn't a consequence of basic auth then. 05:59:54 yeah, eactly 06:00:42