IRC log of swhack on 2002-01-23

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:30 [AaronSw]

hey rillian

00:00:44 [AaronSw]

we're playing with this new p2p network: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~pfh/circle/

00:00:46 [AaronSw]

very cool

00:01:17 [AaronSw]

gotta run -- dinner

00:01:59 [rillian]

* rillian waves

00:02:06 [sbp]

* sbp waves

00:03:33 [sbp]

argh:-

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[[[

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Traceback (most recent call last):

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File "circle", line 3, in ?

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import sys, circlelib.circle

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File "circlelib/circle.py", line 53, in ?

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import os,sys,threading,time,traceback,md5,whrandom,re,string,math,types,imp,socket,signal

00:03:37 [sbp]

File "/usr/lib/python2.2/threading.py", line 5, in ?

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import thread

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ImportError: No module named thread

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]]]

00:03:46 [AaronSw]

yeah, it's linux-only, i think

00:03:51 [tav]

cygwin doesn't have...

00:04:15 [rillian]

's a compile option, isn't it?

00:04:23 [sbp]

Aaron, shouldn't you be eating dinner? tav, shouldn't you be shutting up? :-)

00:04:25 [rillian]

was in the old pythons, anyway

00:04:31 [tav]

shutting up?

00:04:50 [sbp]

you and your damn tales of CygWin Python doom :-)

00:04:54 [tav]

heh

00:11:29 [sbp]

dircproxy is quite funny when it reconnects

00:11:46 [sbp]

Hmm...

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[[[

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File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\PYTHON22\lib\xml\dom\pulldom.py", line 97, in startElementNS

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prefix = self._current_context[a_uri]

00:11:47 [sbp]

KeyError: http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace

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]]]

00:14:20 [sbp]

* sbp tries to fix it

00:17:41 [sbp]

* sbp fixes it

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[[[

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elif a_uri:

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try: prefix = self._current_context[a_uri]

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except KeyError: prefix = None

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]]]

00:25:23 [AaronSw]

what's so funny about dirc reconnecting?

00:25:39 [sbp]

the windows go a bit nuts

00:50:33 [deus_x]

Heh, funny, as I reconnect with dircproxy, I see "what's so funny about dirc reconnecting"

00:50:58 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

00:52:04 [deus_x]

So in my brief research today I think I understand the statement: "RDF can describe anything"

00:54:10 [sbp]

good, good

00:54:55 [deus_x]

Now I just have to do something with it.. but I think I get why Plex is a Good Idea now.

00:55:28 [sbp]

also good :-)

00:55:42 [sbp]

do you have any questions about RDF/Semantic Web/Plex?

00:56:49 [deus_x]

Not quite yet. I *think* I get it, I'll know if I try doing something with it

00:57:18 [deus_x]

Got a bit more reading for that, find some more sample things to run and poke at.

00:58:01 [sbp]

I'm actually working on quite a bit of RDF processing junk right now

00:58:04 [deus_x]

Oh, btw: It looks like Blogspace is an uber-wiki. Not released for general use though?

00:58:08 [sbp]

I'm just running some tests

00:58:22 [deus_x]

Oh, and I think I "get" the rdfwiki now too

00:58:34 [sbp]

Blogspace has been released, but it's in some weird proprietary format. Aaron has been planning a PyBlogspace

00:58:48 [sbp]

neat

00:58:55 [sbp]

do you have Python installed?

00:59:03 [sbp]

er... of course you do...

00:59:04 [deus_x]

Weird proprietary format? Didn't Aaron write it?

00:59:07 [deus_x]

Yup, I have python

00:59:13 [sbp]

do you want to try out the stuff I'm working on now?

00:59:16 [sbp]

Aaron: yeah

00:59:21 [sbp]

but he used an Oracle database

00:59:26 [sbp]

and probably Tcl

00:59:46 [deus_x]

Oh, okay, was it on an AOLServer or something

01:00:17 [deus_x]

Sure, I'll play with what you have.

01:02:15 [sbp]

[off-log mumblings]

01:03:01 [sbp]

get accesstool.py, earlapi.py, eep.py, rdf.py, toolbox.py

01:03:16 [sbp]

accesstool.py is a kind of demonstration of the whole lot

01:03:53 [sbp]

the current built in test retrives www.w3.org, parses it for XML validity, serializes the result as EARL (which is an RDF language), and then extracts a report from the EARL

01:04:04 [sbp]

the result:-

01:04:04 [sbp]

$ python22 accesstool.py

01:04:04 [sbp]

<http://www.w3.org/> of "2002-01-23T00:57:58Z" passes "Test for XML well-formedness"

01:04:26 [sbp]

by fiddling it slightly, you can get it to display the EARL, make it do weird things with the EARL, or whatever

01:04:41 [sbp]

there's also a function that checks whether or not a page has decent Alt Tags

01:04:51 [sbp]

well, it's a class, a parser

01:05:02 [sbp]

they're both in accesstool.py

01:05:07 [deus_x]

Ack, be back in a lil bit. But I grabbed the files & am logging

01:05:14 [sbp]

earlapi.py is the stuff that does the general EARL munging

01:05:17 [sbp]

O.K., c'ya

01:05:22 [sbp]

* sbp will keep ranting

01:05:31 [sbp]

Hmm... I should get CygBot in here :-)

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welcome, CygBot

01:06:38 [tav]

$quit

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$ die

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$ quit

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Command "die" has been disabled

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die!

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Command "quit" has been disabled

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* sbp should get it to ignore tav

01:09:11 [sbp]

7$python22 -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:09:47 [sbp]

cool, I seem to have crashed it

01:10:03 [sbp]

$ pwd

01:10:11 [CygBot]

> /home

01:10:12 [CygBot]

> [end]

01:10:20 [sbp]

Hmm...

01:10:27 [sbp]

$python22 -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:10:35 [sbp]

oh, no space heh, heh

01:10:41 [sbp]

7$ python22 -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:10:46 [CygBot]

> python22: not found

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> [end]

01:10:53 [sbp]

Grgprmpgmrpgmpgmgh

01:11:10 [sbp]

aliases are bash-only, aren't they? crud

01:11:31 [sbp]

7$ "C:/Program\ Files/Python22/Python.exe" -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:11:35 [CygBot]

> C:/Program\ Files/Python22/Python.exe: not found

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> [end]

01:11:44 [sbp]

ugh

01:11:48 [sbp]

7$ "C:/Program Files/Python22/Python.exe" -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:11:56 [CygBot]

> File "<string>", line 1, in ?

01:11:57 [CygBot]

> File "tools\accesstool.py", line 91, in doXMLTest

01:11:58 [CygBot]

> Validity = checkXML(urlopen(uri).read())

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> File "tools\accesstool.py", line 57, in checkXML

01:12:00 [CygBot]

> xml.dom.minidom.parseString(s)

01:12:01 [CygBot]

> File "C:\PROGRAM FILES\PYTHON22\lib\xml\dom\minidom.py", line 965, in parseString

01:12:02 [CygBot]

> [...]

01:12:05 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:13:19 [sbp]

ah, that's from when I was debugging minidom

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01:38:28 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:38:30 [sbp]

7$ python22 -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:38:31 [CygBot]

> python22: not found

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> [end]

01:38:49 [sbp]

7$ "c:/Program Files/Python22/Python.exe" -c "import tools.accesstool; print tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.yahoo.com/')"

01:38:54 [CygBot]

> <http://infomesh.net/2002/access/#Tool> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#Assertor> .

01:38:55 [CygBot]

> <http://infomesh.net/2002/access/#Tool> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#Automaton> .

01:38:56 [CygBot]

> <http://infomesh.net/2002/access/#Tool> <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#name> "accesstool.py" .

01:38:57 [CygBot]

> _:wvirbwsl <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#subject> _:olpkjsoh .

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> _:wvirbwsl <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#predicate> <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#fails> .

01:38:59 [CygBot]

> _:wvirbwsl <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#object> _:mlfrubka .

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> [...]

01:39:05 [sbp]

hooray!

01:39:11 [sbp]

but no logs :-)

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01:41:00 [sbp]

now we're getting somewhere

01:41:17 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. We've had a failure and are currently restoring servers.

01:42:32 [sbp]

* sbp waves to logster

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* sbp enjoys the fun on #openprojects

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02:03:16 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. Just to recap, we've had a catastrophic network failure we are still analyzing. Now would be a good time for you to consider helping the project, especially if you code in C, know who Stevens is and are comfortable with sockets coding. Our current server code is up on http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-ircd/1.0/releases/dancer-ircd-1.0.31.tar.gz . Thanks.

02:04:08 [sbp]

$ "c:/Program Files/Python22/Python.exe" /home/tools/accesstool.py

02:04:21 [sbp]

argh, it's not here

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$ "c:/Program Files/Python22/Python.exe" /home/tools/accesstool.py

02:05:20 [CygBot]

> c:\Program Files\Python22\Python.exe: can't open file '/home/tools/accesstool.py'

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> [end]

02:05:28 [sbp]

oh, of course...

02:06:10 [sbp]

$ "c:/Program Files/Python22/Python.exe" -c "import tools.accesstool as x; x.test()"

02:06:21 [CygBot]

> <http://www.w3.org/> of "2002-01-23T02:07:01Z" passes "Test for XML well-formedness"

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> [end]

02:07:10 [sbp]

test() is:-

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import earlapi as e

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print e.EARLQuickParser(doXMLTest('http://www.w3.org/')).evaluationDetails()

02:07:36 [sbp]

EARL Quick Parser takes the standard Eep RDF API store, and parses that

02:11:27 [sbp]

there's also an EARLExpatParser class in earlapi, but that is meant to parse canonical XML RDF EARL... it doesn't do a very good job

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02:30:03 [AaronSw]

Hmm, lilo sounds pretty desperate.

02:31:10 [AaronSw]

what happened?

02:31:56 [AaronSw]

i wonder what happened asuffield.

02:32:34 [AaronSw]

^to

02:35:41 [sbp]

asuffield?

02:36:09 [sbp]

* sbp gets XML RDF output working

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7$ "c:/Program Files/Python22/Python.exe" -c "import tools.accesstool, tools.earlapi, tools.eep; print tools.eep.serializeXML(tools.eep.parse(tools.accesstool.doXMLTest('http://www.w3.org/')))"

02:37:23 [CygBot]

> <rdf:Description id="http://infomesh.net/2002/access/#Tool"/>

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> <asserts xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0"

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> rdf:resource="anon:_htkbncfn"/>

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> </rdf:Description>

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> <rdf:Description id="http://infomesh.net/2002/access/#Tool"/>

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> <type xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns"

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> [...]

02:37:41 [sbp]

that's one big command line...

02:38:54 [sbp]

* sbp adds nt2xmlrdf()

02:40:01 [sbp]

ugh, it stripped the "#" off of the namespace

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02:44:49 [lilo]

[Global Notice] Hi all. If you are interested in playing with dancer, suggest you stop by #mistertoad about now....and the source code is on http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-ircd/1.0/releases/dancer-ircd-1.0.31.tar.gz , grab a copy and start looking. Thanks.

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02:48:39 [AaronSw]

asuffield was the lead coder on dancer, i understand

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02:58:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets another CFP brochure in the mail.... stop tempting me!

02:58:44 [AaronSw]

ooh, it's a calendar with important privacy landmarks on it

02:58:52 [AaronSw]

the anniversary of the first Mac will be on thursday

02:59:32 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: And the nodes on the network go round and round, round and round, round and round...

03:21:05 [sbp]

* sbp has beefed up his summary thing:-

03:21:06 [sbp]

<http://www.w3.org/> of 2002-01-23T03:21:05Z passes "Well-Formedness TestCase" (Test for XML well-formedness)

03:21:06 [sbp]

<http://aaronsw.com/> of 2002-01-23T03:21:12Z passes "Decent-Alttags TestCase" (Test for all alt attrs. in document: no/empty ones => fail)

03:21:28 [sbp]

* sbp is rather pleased

03:27:41 [deltab]

alt *attributes*

03:27:53 [deltab]

why fail on empty alt attributes?

03:44:13 [rillian]

projectbuilder can't edit makefiles

03:47:08 [sbp]

attrs: "Test for all alt attrs."

03:47:14 [sbp]

I know: "Alttags"

03:47:20 [sbp]

I just can't help myself...

03:47:29 [sbp]

why fail on empty alt attributes: because I'm a hard-ass

03:48:17 [sbp]

for the world view of this particular test, all images have a non-whitespace lexical alternative

03:48:58 [sbp]

and whilst that's probably not true, it is in this test

03:49:16 [sbp]

What will be interesting is when this test gets merged with later tests against test points that aren't so strict :-)

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7$ python tools/hashing.py

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> _:ocvdhgyw <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#date> "2002-01-23T04:17:39Z" .

04:16:59 [CygBot]

> _:ocvdhgyw <http://infomesh.net/2002/01/md5#stripTagsMD5> "71483864ffab407482537ae310cab602" .

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> _:ocvdhgyw <http://infomesh.net/2002/01/md5#getTagsMD5> "698ee44faa1bdb5ba9f052894d392477" .

04:17:01 [CygBot]

> _:ocvdhgyw <http://infomesh.net/2002/01/md5#getHeadingsMD5> "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e" .

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> _:ocvdhgyw <http://infomesh.net/2002/01/md5#stripCommentsMD5> "e593e64fd30ff3b51f5c3d6c39bb23a8" .

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> _:ocvdhgyw <http://infomesh.net/2002/01/md5#stripTagsAndCommentsMD5> "3f450905809b91ae404852562421aa35" .

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> [...]

04:17:20 [sbp]

Hmm... CygBot keeps stripping the first line

04:18:02 [sbp]

e

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3$ python tools/hashing.py

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> _:abkbufbn <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#reprOf> <http://www.cnn.com/> .

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> _:abkbufbn <http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/1.0#date> "2002-01-23T04:19:12Z" .

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> _:abkbufbn <http://infomesh.net/2002/01/md5#stripTagsMD5> "71483864ffab407482537ae310cab602" .

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> [...]

04:18:38 [sbp]

there we go

04:22:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw um, discusses with the circle guys

04:23:06 [sbp]

not good?

04:23:38 [AaronSw]

they don't seem to believe in genericity

04:24:04 [sbp]

meaning...

04:25:30 [AaronSw]

like, instead of building the Web, these guys seem to want to build a phone directory network, and a news-sharing network, etc.

04:25:47 [sbp]

wonderfully exciting

04:26:14 [sbp]

one of the first applications of the Web was the CERN phone book

04:26:26 [sbp]

[you know that]

04:27:26 [sbp]

what I mean is: :PhoneAndNewsNetworks rdfs:subClassOf :Web .

04:27:26 [AaronSw]

tha's why i used that example

04:27:43 [sbp]

cool

04:27:59 [AaronSw]

right. so we have a hard time selling them on the Plex (analogous to the Web) because all they want is a phone directory.

04:28:35 [sbp]

but we show them that the Plex can do what they want it for, and everyone's happy

04:28:49 [sbp]

well, you show them

04:29:53 [AaronSw]

well... not really, since they want to build the phone directory and not the plex, and we were sort of counting on them to build things for us ;-)

04:32:21 [sbp]

well, they must be adding some level of genericity to the code; i.e. something surely must be salvagable

04:32:27 [AaronSw]

yes, indeed.

04:32:46 [sbp]

just not as much as you had hoped, eh? :-)

04:32:46 [AaronSw]

i think we just hoped for somethign more (a lead developer) and found something less (a user)

04:32:52 [AaronSw]

jinx

04:32:56 [sbp]

heh, heh

04:33:06 [tav]

hmz

04:33:16 [tav]

i reckon that i can bring pfh around

04:33:41 [sbp]

* sbp just ate a lovely crispy chocolate bar thingy

04:34:22 [sbp]

"#swhack: home of tav the miracle worker"

04:35:38 [sbp]

* sbp presumes that no one needs CygBot

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04:40:57 [AaronSw]

cake?

04:52:56 [sbp]

.acronym LFTC

04:53:04 [sbp]

xena?

04:54:05 [sbp]

obviously not

05:09:01 [AaronSw]

nite all. c'ya later

05:14:46 [sbp]

c'ya

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--

13:45:02 [AaronSw]

I/O, I/O,

13:45:02 [AaronSw]

It's off to disk I go,

13:45:02 [AaronSw]

A bit or byte to read or write,

13:45:02 [AaronSw]

I/O, I/O, I/O...

13:45:03 [AaronSw]

--

14:08:19 [AaronSw]

@ http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/python/moin.cgi/QuotePage

14:08:27 [chumpster]

A: http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/python/moin.cgi/QuotePage from AaronSw

14:08:41 [AaronSw]

A:|PoundPython Quote Page

14:08:42 [chumpster]

titled item A

14:09:05 [AaronSw]

A::Part of the [PoundPython WikiWiki|http://purl.org/wiki/python/].

14:09:06 [chumpster]

commented item A

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17:43:34 [sbp]

lol @ "I/O, I/O"

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17:53:36 [sbp]

* sbp waves to hazmat and Ken

17:53:50 [hazmat]

hello sbp

18:00:27 [sbp]

that PoundPython page is hillarious

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18:03:13 [hazmat]

sbp, where is that?

18:03:13 [hazmat]

have you guys read through bruce eckel's ipc9 closing address, its fairly humorous.

18:06:10 [hazmat]

ftp://www.mindview.net/pub/eckel/LovePython.zip

18:14:05 [sbp]

O.K., let's set up the perfect Google band

18:14:10 [sbp]

.google Greatest drummer of all time

18:14:11 [xena]

Greatest drummer of all time: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/4403/home.html&e=922

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18:15:03 [sbp]

WTF happened there?

18:15:30 [sbp]

anyway, John Bonham at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/4403/home.html which is not surprising

18:15:39 [sbp]

* sbp is listening to "When The Levee Breaks" :-)

18:15:44 [sbp]

.google Greatest vocalist of all time

18:15:46 [xena]

Greatest vocalist of all time: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/holiday_b.html

18:15:56 [sbp]

Billie Holiday

18:16:03 [sbp]

Hmm... is that gonna work? :-)

18:16:05 [sbp]

anyway...

18:16:15 [sbp]

.google Greatest guitarist of all time

18:16:16 [xena]

Greatest guitarist of all time: http://pub72.ezboard.com/frrivsplacefrm1.showMessage?topicID=837.topic

18:17:10 [sbp]

heh:-

18:17:11 [sbp]

[[[

18:17:11 [sbp]

I havent got a clue...i feel like crosstown traffic.

18:17:11 [sbp]

My mind is in a purple haze right now.

18:17:11 [sbp]

Anyone feeling foxy?

18:17:12 [sbp]

]]]

18:17:32 [sbp]

That'll be Jimi Hendrix, then, although others get mentioned

18:17:40 [sbp]

.google Greatest bassist of all time

18:17:41 [xena]

Greatest bassist of all time: http://www.firstfoot.co.uk/good%20scottish%20pop/jackbruce.htm

18:18:21 [sbp]

Jack Bruce, of the Cream

18:18:34 [sbp]

.google Greatest songwriter of all time

18:18:35 [xena]

Greatest songwriter of all time: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/threads/songwriter.htm

18:20:26 [sbp]

oh man, that page is so confusing

18:20:43 [sbp]

Well have Ellington, McCartney, Lennon, Dylan, and Gershwin :-)

18:20:50 [hazmat]

better link to the eckel speech http://64.78.49.204/pub/eckel/LovePython.zip

18:21:19 [sbp]

BLURB:The Google-Assembled Super-Band

18:21:21 [hazmat]

.google PoundPython

18:21:22 [xena]

PoundPython: http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/python/moin.cgi/PoundPython

18:21:23 [chumpster]

B: The Google-Assembled Super-Band from sbp

18:21:52 [sbp]

B::This is an attempt to assemble a super-band using Google searches of the nature "Greatest x of all time"

18:21:53 [chumpster]

commented item B

18:22:59 [sbp]

B::drummer: [http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/4403/home.html|John Bonham] [of Led Zeppelin] ([http://www.google.com/search?q=Greatest+drummer+of+all+time|search]

18:23:00 [chumpster]

commented item B

18:23:39 [sbp]

B::vocalist: [http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/holiday_b.html|Billie Holiday] [famous Jazz singer] ([http://www.google.com/search?q=Greatest+vocalist+of+all+time|search]

18:23:41 [chumpster]

commented item B

18:24:36 [sbp]

B::guitarist: [http://pub72.ezboard.com/frrivsplacefrm1.showMessage?topicID=837.topic|Jimi Hendrix] ([http://www.google.com/search?q=Greatest+guitarist+of+all+time|search])

18:24:38 [chumpster]

commented item B

18:25:21 [sbp]

B::bassist: [http://www.firstfoot.co.uk/good%20scottish%20pop/jackbruce.htm|Jack Bruce] [of the Cream] ([http://www.google.com/search?q=Greatest+bassist+of+all+time|search])

18:25:23 [chumpster]

commented item B

18:26:21 [sbp]

B::songwriter: [http://www.allaboutjazz.com/threads/songwriter.htm|Ellington, McCartney, Lennon, Dylan, and Gershwin] [this page was a discussion about the world's greatest, with no clear victory] ([http://www.google.com/search?q=Greatest+songwriter+of+all+time|search])

18:26:23 [chumpster]

commented item B

18:27:01 [AaronSw]

there was all this underwear hanging around at school today. i wonder if it was Campus Commando Day...

18:27:15 [sbp]

ugh, chumpster has really messed the syntax up

18:27:17 [sbp]

Aaron?

18:27:24 [sbp]

li'l help?!

18:27:36 [sbp]

lol! @ Campus Commando Day

18:27:37 [AaronSw]

what'd you do?

18:27:51 [sbp]

nothing. see the above entries. They all came out weirdly

18:27:54 [sbp]

http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/

18:28:32 [sbp]

oh, right, I used "[]" in the things... it must have thought they were URIs, even though there was no | in them, and they don't fit the URI syntax

18:28:37 [sbp]

that's a bit silly

18:28:59 [AaronSw]

yeah, i suppose

18:33:32 [AaronSw]

also, scribbled into my desk where you normally see swears and love notes, it was all clean except for one word: "LISP"

18:34:00 [sbp]

where the fuck are you?

18:34:18 [AaronSw]

err, that was at school too

18:34:26 [sbp]

weird school

18:36:06 [AaronSw]

/topic LISP Underwear

18:38:27 [AaronSw]

so i was visited by the Twisted Python folks this morning

18:41:51 [AaronSw]

they've been telling me that other people's code sucks, and i should use theirs. but they're big into metapython

18:51:48 [sbp]

.google "Twisted Python"

18:51:49 [xena]

"Twisted Python": http://twistedmatrix.com

18:52:01 [sbp]

visited as in "came to your house", or what?

18:52:20 [AaronSw]

no, just my irc client

18:52:58 [AaronSw]

they want to take over the world too, it seems

18:53:10 [AaronSw]

we need to create more worlds for all these world takeover folks.

18:53:17 [sbp]

Hmm... we talked about Twisted a while ago. Or, I talked about it with somebody

18:53:23 [sbp]

heh, yeah

18:53:51 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: We need to create more worlds for all these world takeover folks

18:54:05 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I wonder who you talked about it with.

18:54:18 [AaronSw]

.google sbp twisted python

18:54:18 [xena]

sbp twisted python: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-27.txt

18:54:24 [sbp]

it must have been you. Who else could it have been?

18:56:04 [sbp]

that isn't it

18:56:44 [AaronSw]

i don't remember talking about it...

18:57:57 [AaronSw]

Patrick Stickler's latest email makes no sense to me

18:58:31 [sbp]

URI?

18:58:51 [AaronSw]

it's on URx Questions

18:59:07 [AaronSw]

he seems to say that URNs should have clear resolution and TAG doesn't need datestamps

19:08:53 [sbp]

oh, right

19:16:39 [AaronSw]

.google xpointer

19:16:40 [xena]

xpointer: http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-xptr

19:16:50 [AaronSw]

.google xpointer tr

19:16:51 [xena]

xpointer tr: http://www.w3.org/TR/xptr

19:19:08 [AaronSw]

last night we went to see Noah's band performance. they played "25 or 6 to 4" and which led to a large discussion about the significance of the title/lyrics

19:24:14 [deus_x]

Funny, Twisted in python sounds a lot like POE in perl

19:26:26 [AaronSw]

POE?

19:29:11 [sbp]

Hmm... so what is the significance of the title?

19:31:56 [AaronSw]

Probably something like Perl Enterprise Objects.

19:32:05 [hazmat]

poe.perl.org

19:32:17 [hazmat]

its pretty cool.

19:32:31 [AaronSw]

whoo! blanu helped me find the bug in my chord code

19:32:46 [AaronSw]

ah. "POE is a framework for creating multitasking programs in Perl."

19:32:49 [AaronSw]

morbus was on about that.

19:39:31 [AaronSw]

hmm, sounds like cooperative threading. that's not that interesting, is it?

19:47:52 [AaronSw]

wow, spamassasin caught 43 messages

19:48:29 [deus_x]

* deus_x wakes back up.

19:48:49 [deus_x]

Yeah, POE is basically cooperative threading, but it's interesting in perl because it never had it before

19:48:57 [AaronSw]

ah

19:49:10 [deus_x]

And it's set up to be a componentized, event driven thing.

19:50:44 [deus_x]

So, like for Morbus' AmphetaDesk, POE could have a scheduler component firing events to an RSS channel updater component, and an HTTP server that fires events to the news aggregation page generation component.

19:51:06 [deus_x]

But in a lot of other languages, nothing new.

19:51:57 [AaronSw]

when you say "firing events" do you have a threadsafe coordination system to store this data?

19:52:01 [AaronSw]

like tuplespaces in linda

19:52:05 [AaronSw]

or *cough* the Plex

19:52:16 [deus_x]

Hmm, not familiar with that. :( I have a lot of reading to do

19:52:42 [AaronSw]

the idea is instead of firing events, you post a notice in the town hall saying that X needs to be done, and please leave the result in the same place.

19:53:46 [deus_x]

Oh, kind of, yes. Though it's asynchronous, so HTTP server fires an "I have a request" event, Request handler triggers on that event and does things, then it fires an "I have a response" event that the HTTP server catches.

19:54:16 [AaronSw]

right.

19:54:38 [AaronSw]

but are the events aimed at a specific module, or could i make forty aggregators and have them each work at the same time?

19:54:49 [AaronSw]

(and split up the work evenly)

19:55:27 [deus_x]

Mostly the events are addressed, but there are broadcaster components and job queue components that launch several workers off to handle events

19:56:12 [deus_x]

All of this being within the same literal perl thread and process, with event handlers voluntarily yielding control after a step of their work is done

19:56:28 [AaronSw]

oh, right. i forgot that.

19:56:36 [AaronSw]

cooperative multitasking sucks, as any OS 9 user knows

19:56:43 [deus_x]

ie. A handler that loops through some data would do a step or a chunk of steps, queue up an event back to itself, and yield.

19:57:02 [AaronSw]

versions of MacOS < X were all cooperatively multitasked

19:57:03 [deus_x]

Yeah, it sucks, but it's the best perl can do without threads.

19:57:27 [deus_x]

Which begs the question of why to use perl, but people are nutty like that.

19:57:50 [deus_x]

(Me being one of them, but I'm working on recovery. :) )

19:58:23 [AaronSw]

heh

19:58:30 [AaronSw]

why doesn't perl have threads?

19:58:42 [deus_x]

Just last night I was playing around with an AmphetaDesk++ using POE. All the while thinking I really need to do more python work

19:59:19 [deus_x]

Perl has initial work on threads, but it's experimental. Mostly I think it's because perl is a big mess of tangled speaker wire inside, and that's why Perl 6 is a ground-up rewrite

20:00:40 [AaronSw]

ah :)

20:01:40 [AaronSw]

Wow, Visual One Time Pads are cool.

20:02:05 [deus_x]

* deus_x googles

20:03:48 [AaronSw]

heh

20:04:06 [AaronSw]

you use us overhead transparency paper has for the ciphertext

20:04:17 [deus_x]

Whoa.. hehe, visual encryption by halftone

20:04:39 [deus_x]

er, halfmoons that is

20:05:44 [deus_x]

Funny, we were just thinking of doing something like that as a product for a game

20:06:08 [deus_x]

Only we depend on a home player to print something out that will match up with our transparency

20:19:09 [AaronSw]

neat! sounds like a fun game

20:20:56 [deus_x]

Basically a way to try to get people to come from a web site and into a physical store.

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20:23:06 [Scienide]

i think i been here before

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20:23:18 [Scienide]

hi

20:23:21 [Scienide]

he isnt a clone

20:23:24 [Scienide]

he just on the same gate

20:23:46 [Dizmo``]

ur in the wrong chan

20:23:47 [Dizmo``]

lol

20:23:50 [Scienide]

i am?

20:23:54 [Scienide]

oh okies

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20:24:13 [AaronSw]

this isn't the channel you're looking for. [waves hand]

20:24:20 [Scienide]

okies

20:24:25 [Scienide]

would you like us to leave?

20:24:34 [AaronSw]

what are you here for?

20:24:46 [Scienide]

nothing

20:24:50 [Scienide]

its new to this server

20:24:52 [AaronSw]

oh, then you can stay

20:24:53 [Scienide]

well

20:24:54 [Scienide]

we are

20:25:00 [Scienide]

i just have to reconnect

20:25:02 [Scienide]

ill brb

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20:25:12 [sbp]

er.. O.K.

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20:25:39 [sbp]

wb

20:25:52 [AaronSw]

interesting new feature for this server, eh, sbp?

20:25:53 [sbp]

BWT, this channel is instantly and persistently archived to the Web

20:26:01 [sbp]

new feature: why?

20:26:04 [sbp]

er... what?

20:26:11 [Scienide]

hellos

20:26:19 [AaronSw]

getting visits like these.

20:26:24 [AaronSw]

he says they're new to this network.

20:26:49 [sbp]

Hmm... yes

20:27:02 [AaronSw]

cool, they made my article all purty.

20:28:10 [AaronSw]

you can buy your copy of the magazine for only...[checks]...$17! what a steal

20:28:22 [AaronSw]

i'm on page 2, apparently...

20:28:51 [sbp]

not too shabby

20:28:58 [AaronSw]

probably just a placeholder

20:29:10 [AaronSw]

on the other hand i could be the cover story ;-)

20:30:05 [AaronSw]

hmm, looks like pages 2-3 are reserved for "From the Editor in Chief"

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20:34:20 [sbp]

ooh, Norm Walsh on RDF IG

20:35:18 [AaronSw]

what's his nick?

20:35:34 [sbp]

mailing list

20:35:42 [AaronSw]

oh

20:35:44 [AaronSw]

pfft

20:35:48 [sbp]

:-)

20:38:17 [AaronSw]

twisted seems cool

20:38:41 [AaronSw]

i wonder if they have a photo album thingy for it

20:38:47 [sbp]

heh,h eh

20:39:07 [sbp]

* sbp tries to figure out how to get spaces to insert themselves correctly into sentences

20:39:16 [sbp]

well... sentence fragments, at least

20:43:01 [AaronSw]

hey, i tried to like zope, i really did

20:43:42 [sbp]

perhaps I should try the dvorak configuration. OTOH, I couldn't find the setting where the set-up page said it would be

20:43:47 [sbp]

lol

20:44:17 [AaronSw]

i've heard that dvorak's improvement in speed is not worth the learning cost

20:44:29 [AaronSw]

you laugh, but i spent hours trying to make it work!

20:44:37 [sbp]

that seems to be a reasonable assumption

20:44:55 [sbp]

hours: I'm not surprised. Why on Earth did you try? I couldn't understand it

20:45:03 [AaronSw]

i mean, it complains that the python build it frickin came with doesn't work!

20:45:06 [sbp]

maybe you caught a touch of insanity from somewhere

20:45:13 [sbp]

heh, heh

20:45:36 [AaronSw]

hey, i was just trying to be practical: i needed photo album software, tav said this was good.

20:45:59 [AaronSw]

but zope was like: hah, now we can get back at him for making fun of us!

20:46:15 [AaronSw]

so, i'm sorry zope. it's too bad it didn't work out.

20:47:41 [AaronSw]

hmm, maybe it's because i'm using the beta.

20:48:12 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw downloads 2.4.3

20:49:43 [deus_x]

Having trouble finding a photo album, so you want to use Zope? heh heh

20:49:58 [AaronSw]

web photo album software

20:50:13 [AaronSw]

i'm using the ACS right now, so i want to switch to something nicer (read: python)

20:50:19 [deus_x]

Ahh, okay.

20:50:36 [AaronSw]

ok, even with 2.3.1 i get the same error

20:50:41 [AaronSw]

err 2.4.3

20:57:13 [AaronSw]

ok, so i went in and fixed it bu hand, but of course there's another thing missing too

21:11:34 [AaronSw]

heh!

21:12:15 [sbp]

what?

21:13:09 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.codeweavers.com/~jwhite/tunney.html

21:13:12 [chumpster]

C: The Tunney Act, A confession of shame, and a call to action from AaronSw

21:13:43 [AaronSw]

C::Quick, tell the Justice Department about the problems with the Microsoft Settlement, ASAP.

21:13:45 [chumpster]

commented item C

21:14:40 [AaronSw]

C::"Send it now. By the time you think to come back to this page, it will be too late."

21:14:42 [chumpster]

commented item C

21:14:50 [AaronSw]

C::via Debian Weekly News

21:14:51 [chumpster]

commented item C

21:18:25 [sbp]

C::It won't be gone if you try the [http://web.archive.org/web/20020123131928/http://www.codeweavers.com/~jwhite/tunney.html|Alexa version]

21:18:26 [chumpster]

commented item C

21:18:40 [sbp]

oh well, I'm just a big idiot

21:18:46 [AaronSw]

who said it would be gone?

21:18:58 [sbp]

I dunno. Sorry, my mind's elsewhere at the moment

21:19:10 [AaronSw]

C::Who said it would be gone? It wll be too late to comment on the proceedings. So quick, send the DOJ a letter now.

21:19:11 [chumpster]

commented item C

21:20:44 [sbp]

C::Well, you never know - M****soft might sue them for "improper use of their trademark" or something, and all sites that use the name "M****soft" in a derogatory manner might vanish from the face of the Earth. I dunno - work with me on this one

21:20:46 [chumpster]

commented item C

21:21:21 [sbp]

* sbp tries fairly hard to redeem himself

21:23:41 [lilo]

[Information Générale] Salut à tous. Veuillez noter que ce réseau n'a pas pour but de servir de terrain d'essai "grandeur nature" pour des bots, en particuliers ceux utilisant des machines Windows piratées ... Merci.

21:24:11 [AaronSw]

huh?

21:24:44 [AaronSw]

(to lilo's comment)

21:25:15 [AaronSw]

.translate eng-fre Salut à tous. Veuillez noter que ce réseau n'a pas pour but de servir de terrain d'essai "grandeur nature" pour des bots, en particuliers ceux utilisant des machines Windows piratées ... Merci.

21:25:26 [xena]

error: Site Error occurred: IndexError

21:25:53 [sbp]

"""[ General Information ] Hello with all. Please note that the purpose of this network is not to be used as ground of test " natural size " for the club-footed ones, as private individuals those using of the Windows machines pirated... Thank you."""

21:26:15 [sbp]

well, that didn't help much :-)

21:26:29 [AaronSw]

- translate.google.com

21:28:25 [sbp]

translate.google.com?

21:28:49 [AaronSw]

yeah, where'd you get the translation from?

21:28:55 [deus_x]

* deus_x is neither natural size or club-footed

21:29:14 [sbp]

Aaron, please try going to http://translate.google.com/ and tell me what's there :-)

21:29:29 [AaronSw]

a little box to type text in

21:29:41 [AaronSw]

notice i didn't say http://translate.google.com/

21:29:59 [AaronSw]

since that page doesn't say that, but that server does

21:30:01 [sbp]

oh, O.K. What protocol would you have me use?

21:30:09 [AaronSw]

HTTP

21:31:17 [AaronSw]

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21:31:26 [AaronSw_chatting_with_zooko_aw]

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21:31:59 [AaronSw]

it's just that google uses POST instead of GET for such things, annoyingly

21:32:13 [sbp]

yes, that is annoying

21:32:18 [AaronSw]

so the url i get is http://translate.google.com/translate_t

21:32:21 [sbp]

did you see the GET deprecation thing?

21:32:25 [AaronSw]

no...

21:32:29 [AaronSw]

just the subject

21:32:53 [sbp]

it was pretty hillarious

21:33:31 [sbp]

>> The HTTP "get" protocol is deprecated for use in form submission.

21:33:31 [sbp]

>> Form authors should use "post" for greater compatibility.

21:33:43 [AaronSw]

lol

21:33:46 [AaronSw]

from who?

21:34:07 [sbp]

it was a Connolly spurred-exchange, I believe

21:34:20 [AaronSw]

Connolly would never say such a thing.

21:34:26 [sbp]

Connolly was against it

21:34:32 [AaronSw]

so who said that?

21:34:43 [sbp]

the XForms specification

21:34:49 [sbp]

.google "The HTTP "get" protocol is deprecated for use in form submission"

21:34:50 [xena]

"The HTTP "get" protocol is deprecated for use in form submission": http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-xforms-20011207/slice11.html

21:34:55 [AaronSw]

oh man

21:35:00 [AaronSw]

you're kidding, right?

21:35:20 [sbp]

nope: it's there is black and white. that's what I said: hillarious

21:36:06 [AaronSw]

hmm, wonder why i didn't get connolly's original message

21:36:15 [sbp]

* sbp wonders that too

21:36:23 [sbp]

I didn't get it either, if that's any consolation

21:36:24 [AaronSw]

did you get it?

21:36:28 [AaronSw]

ah

21:36:31 [sbp]

perhaps Tim picked it up from the comments list

21:36:40 [sbp]

due to it being a TAG issue

21:36:53 [AaronSw]

yeah, i saw them talking about it on the telecon but didn't understand what they meant

21:37:35 [sbp]

* sbp listens to WIAWSNB

21:40:00 [AaronSw]

go mnot! http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2002Jan/0007.html

21:40:13 [AaronSw]

here's the original http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2002Jan/0013.html

21:40:39 [sbp]

heh, cool

21:43:12 [AaronSw]

i gotta agree with DanC, chair training sure ain't what it used to be!

21:44:32 [AaronSw]

Wow, Chris Lilley is against GET?

21:44:46 [AaronSw]

"GET requires munging the form contents into a set of name,value pairs and tacking them onto a URL to make an unweildy, I18N-hostile method of concealing that content is actually being transferred to the server."

21:45:20 [AaronSw]

Hmm, it seems he just means for putting XML documents or something.

21:45:32 [sbp]

yeah

21:46:01 [sbp]

I think he's just saying that POST isn't redundant when it comes to posting stuff to servers. Duh

21:53:33 [sbp]

[[[

21:53:33 [sbp]

> >> It will also be Chinese New Year (Year of the Metal

21:53:33 [sbp]

> >> Snake): both fortuitous and fortunate, I hope.

21:53:33 [sbp]

> >

21:53:33 [sbp]

> > So what's it the year of?

21:53:33 [sbp]

>

21:53:35 [sbp]

> Seth (blushing) which goes to prove that people don't read.

21:53:37 [sbp]

]]]

21:53:43 [sbp]

From: "Seth Russell" <seth@robustai.net>

21:53:43 [sbp]

To: <swag-dev@egroups.com>

21:53:43 [sbp]

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:33 PM

21:53:45 [sbp]

Subject: Re: SWAG: RE: Pausing To Reflect

21:53:50 [sbp]

this time last year :-)

21:54:11 [AaronSw]

lol

21:55:40 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Plex: this year's SWAG

21:56:06 [sbp]

heh, SWAG was so fun

21:56:09 [sbp]

Gotta run

22:29:46 [AaronSw]

deltab, is there a better way to keep track of instances of a class than a big global list?

22:44:48 [sbp]

it's a bit stupid that code isn't protected by the first amendment

22:45:54 [sbp]

[Welcome to Part VII of "Stating The Obvious", with sbp]

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22:57:48 [sbp]

I wonder what the most popular Google search is for something that does not return any results?

22:59:51 [AaronSw]

no, the courts have ruled that code is protected now

23:00:02 [AaronSw]

sbp, we can't tell you because then it would have results

23:00:22 [sbp]

hooray/yeah, cool paradox

23:01:01 [sbp]

well, not really a paradox, since you just have to time-qualify it

23:02:17 [AaronSw]

heh, cool topic

23:02:26 [sbp]

if code is protected, why do you fear that Plex will become illegal?

23:02:50 [sbp]

* sbp is surprised you didn't notice that earlier

23:03:04 [AaronSw]

our laws don't work that way

23:03:20 [AaronSw]

it can be OK to share the Plex code, but illegal to run it

23:03:36 [AaronSw]

that's what's happening in the DeCSS case it seems.

23:04:07 [AaronSw]

the court ruled code was speech (a lot of that was due to the TShirts and haikus and such) and that it could be distributed, but they didn't rule on whether using it is legal.

23:04:24 [AaronSw]

like, instructions on how to kill the president are protected, killing the president isn't.

23:04:52 [sbp]

Uh huh

23:05:51 [sbp]

banning Plex would be pretty low, though - it's really just a simple P2P system at the root of it

23:06:14 [sbp]

it'd be like

23:06:18 [sbp]

argh

23:06:55 [sbp]

it'd be like closing down banks because they're liable to be robbed, or transact stolen money, or something - 'Plex doesn't have to be used for illegal purposes

23:07:52 [sbp]

although, I suppose you have to weigh up the pros and cons given current usage. or at least, the courts do

23:08:43 [sbp]

e.g. the British courts (or rather: Parliament) decided that guns designed to kill people, and are often used as such. So they banned them

23:09:34 [sbp]

[Welcome to Part VIII of "Stating The Obvious", with sbp]

23:12:14 [AaronSw]

yeah, that's the weirdest thing about the US. We ban Napster but let guns off free.

23:12:22 [AaronSw]

That's what Lessig pointed out.

23:12:43 [AaronSw]

And when we do go after guns, we go after owners and retailers, not makers of guns.

23:13:33 [sbp]

\topic Whoever used Napster to kill someone?

23:13:34 [sbp]

:-)

23:14:49 [AaronSw]

it'd be really awesome if the Plex worked out.

23:14:56 [AaronSw]

[more stating the obvious]

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23:15:10 [sbp]

Heh, heh. But it's true

23:15:36 [BenSw]

Hello

23:15:45 [sbp]

At least it's not centralized, like Napster

23:15:47 [sbp]

Hi Ben

23:17:43 [AaronSw]

yep, that's why it'll be cool.

23:18:07 [AaronSw]

and even if they take all the copies of it off the web, we can still distribute it via itself and by hand.

23:18:52 [sbp]

lol

23:19:08 [sbp]

and by mail. Just print out the source code, get people to scan it in...

23:20:12 [AaronSw]

we can drop them from helicopters

23:20:31 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:22:39 [sbp]

* sbp listens to The Doors

23:24:04 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh: """Another update on the site, made it XHTML 1.0 Strict compliant, so now it should render fairly fast! Not sure if I like XHTML... and is there anyone who could please explain me how I can add target to an <a> tag in XHTML?""" - http://www.fanms.com/

23:24:18 [sbp]

Not a surprising statement, coming as it does from a site named "FanMS"

23:26:21 [AaronSw]

lol!

23:27:41 [sbp]

Hmm...

23:28:40 [sbp]

oh man, could you fix http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/ for me?

23:28:54 [sbp]

it seems to have fecked up formatting of "*****" too

23:29:06 [AaronSw]

oh, fine

23:29:17 [AaronSw]

i'm in a good mood because pychord is working

23:29:27 [sbp]

ooh!

23:29:48 [sbp]

is it at a point where I'm going to be downloading it and testing it?

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23:29:58 [AaronSw]

not yet, really

23:30:10 [AaronSw]

it might be if people stopped taking advantage of my good mood ;-)

23:30:47 [AaronSw]

so you want me to change <i><i><i><i> to ****?

23:31:24 [sbp]

please

23:31:44 [sbp]

and fix the crappy [] stuff in the Google-band thing

23:31:52 [AaronSw]

i'm not sure what that's supposed to be...

23:32:13 [AaronSw]

drummer: John Bonham <a>of Led Zeppelin] -> ?

23:32:38 [sbp]

<a>John Bonham</a> [of Led Zeppelin] ...

23:33:08 [AaronSw]

and the google search linked to "search"?

23:33:30 [sbp]

please

23:35:01 [AaronSw]

how's it look now?

23:35:06 [AaronSw]

anything else before i turn chumpster back on?

23:35:55 [sbp]

* sbp reviews

23:36:05 [AaronSw]

Ugh:

23:36:05 [AaronSw]

--

23:36:07 [AaronSw]

We're Sorry.

23:36:07 [AaronSw]

The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance.

23:36:07 [AaronSw]

We will be back shortly

23:36:08 [AaronSw]

--

23:36:19 [sbp]

nope, that'll do

23:36:21 [AaronSw]

and #sourceforge is full, of course

23:36:25 [sbp]

SF down again? Blargh

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23:37:24 [sbp]

thanks for fixing

23:37:28 [AaronSw]

i can just see them: "we better put a limit on the channel before everyone comes and starts complaining"

23:37:35 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

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