00:00:02 webizingPython? 00:00:05 yah 00:00:09 I didn't realize it was related at all 00:00:22 * AaronSw twists his head a bit 00:00:35 ok, maybe I'm reading tooo too fast 00:00:38 I guess it's sorta related... but not really. 00:00:54 Morbus has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds) 00:01:08 well, bobo binds urls to methods (so you can invoke a method via a url) 00:01:24 yeah, that's true... but it's not really what I was thinking of. 00:01:25 but that's not what you are talkig bout 00:01:30 I'm reading now 00:01:41 Morbus (~Morbus@s105.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:01:45 ah - making python code referenceable via URIs 00:01:45 bob2 (~bob2@h131-012.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 00:01:49 bob! 00:01:56 everyone say hi to bob2 00:01:59 bob2: say hi to everyone 00:02:00 No group 2 00:02:11 bob2: have a really happy thanksgiving 00:02:12 No group 2 00:02:16 ooops 00:02:17 bob2: whats your name? 00:02:18 No group 2 00:02:18 bob2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:02:21 lol 00:02:23 bah. stupid computer 00:02:43 heh, heh 00:02:54 AaronSw has changed the topic to: LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN! 00:02:59 it got more welcomes than you, Morbus 00:03:02 let's try that again 00:03:05 who ohoo! 00:03:07 huh? 00:03:46 okay that's better 00:03:56 bob2 (~bob2@h131-012.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 00:04:01 bob2 : hi 00:04:07 bob2: hi 00:04:07 What precisely do you mean by 'hi' 00:04:11 Heh. 00:04:16 bob2: difficult to say 00:04:16 difficult to say 00:04:18 bob2: have a really happy thanksgiving 00:04:19 thankyou, have a good one too 00:04:27 bob2: food is good 00:04:28 food is good 00:04:40 bob2: can you do laundry? 00:04:40 What precisely do you mean by 'can you do laundryH' 00:04:40 bob2: poo opo 00:04:41 That's easy for you to say 00:05:38 I mean, find a washing machine, shove some clothes in it (and some of that cleaning junk), and turn it on. Remove the clothes as necessary 00:05:44 he's got basic single variable handling now, so he can say things like "what do you mean by X" in response to X, but the java regexp is fucked and I can't do some of the more advanced things I wanted, damn. 00:05:57 er, that is... 00:06:03 bob2: I mean, find a washing machine, shove some clothes in it (and some of that cleaning junk), and turn it on. Remove the clothes as necessary 00:06:04 That's easy for you to say 00:06:16 heh, heh: Java RegExp. I laugh 00:06:21 bob2: I'm having a bad hair day 00:06:21 sucks to be you 00:06:23 What package are you using? 00:06:29 bob2: .rule <.*sbp.*> --> "i know sbp" 00:06:30 bob2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:06:34 Hmm. 00:06:42 heh, heh 00:06:48 it didn't like that... 00:06:48 Aaron: you needed quotes round the left hand side of the rule .... 00:06:54 * tansaku goes to fix bob2 00:06:57 Oops. 00:07:03 whats bob2 do? 00:07:12 my bad - I mean he should have better error handling 00:07:25 hey, AaronSw - initially, the webizing python sounds interesting 00:07:35 sbp: it's all java - java1.4beta3 for the regexp 00:07:40 GabeW, thanks 00:07:46 worth posting to python-dev, you think? 00:07:50 GabeW: you can teach him rules and then he'll use them in speech 00:07:52 so, is it grabbing bytecode? 00:07:56 bob2 (~bob2@h131-012.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 00:07:58 tansaku - ooh 00:08:03 GabeW, me or bob2? 00:08:13 AaronSw - you (but that would be cool for a bot) 00:08:18 yeah 00:08:32 well, or source, I guess it doesn't matter 00:08:32 bob2: .rule "<.*sbp.*>" --> "i know sbp" 00:08:32 yum 00:08:38 bob2: "<.*>sbp<.*>" --> "i know that shady character. stay away from him" 00:08:38 i know sbp 00:08:45 bob2: .rule "<.*>sbp<.*>" --> "i know that shady character. stay away from him" 00:08:45 yum 00:08:53 bob2: say sbp 00:08:54 i know that shady character. stay away from him 00:09:44 bob2: what do you think of sbp? 00:09:44 i know that shady character. stay away from him 00:09:54 bob2: what about morbus? 00:09:55 what about morbusH 00:10:05 um 00:10:32 aaronsw- how would you propose implementing webizing python 00:10:35 you mean: yum :-) 00:10:42 bob2: botsnack 00:10:42 yum! 00:10:46 GabeW, what part? 00:10:59 well, say "import " 00:11:25 Well, it'd go to that URI and get back some Python code, hash it and see if it trusts it. 00:11:31 bob2: .rule "think<.*>morbus" --> "he's weird|morbus rocks my world|morbus who?" 00:11:32 yum 00:11:36 but as patches to CPython? 00:11:40 yeah 00:11:43 bob2: what do you think about morbus? 00:11:43 what do you think about morbusH 00:11:59 bob2:do you think about morbus? 00:11:59 he's weird 00:12:06 i am not! 00:12:07 you guys mind taking bob2 to #decent? 00:12:09 i'm home cooking. 00:12:16 bob2: do you think about Morbus all the time? 00:12:16 .time 00:12:17 2001/11/27 00:13:49.5081 Universal 00:12:23 heh 00:12:29 AaronSw: I was just about to do that join bob2 in #Decent 00:12:30 lol 00:12:41 bob2 has left #swhack 00:12:43 bob2: do you think about Morbus always? 00:18:30 sbp, on tav's suggestion I upped the milestones for the plex 00:18:44 1. CodeCon - February 15-17, 2002 00:18:45 We should have a working network which can support some simple queries. We should also have some client-side inferencing working. 00:18:45 2. O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference - April 22-25, 2002 00:18:45 We should have network-based inferencing and more advanced Goynifiad queries. 00:18:52 why is sbp not in fucking #plex? 00:19:06 because he's _____ lazy 00:19:07 I didn't know that #plex could fuck 00:19:19 yeah, I'm really underscore lazy 00:19:37 GabeW has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:19:38 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 00:23:40 * sbp finds it interesting how Aaron avoids saying "fuck" unless quoting 00:23:52 i avoid saying marmalade. 00:24:01 You said it, Morbus! 00:24:12 You lose 3 points. 00:24:23 He typed it, that's allowed 00:24:30 s/saying/typing/ 00:36:49 Homer: Homer, Homer Simpson, he's the greatest guy in history. From the town of Springfield, he's about to hit a chestnut tree.... aaaaaargh! 00:37:41 hey, sbp, the latest toyfare has an article on every saying possible in all the released simpson playset.s. 00:38:01 pardon? 00:38:10 heh. nevermind. 00:39:13 sbp has changed the topic to: Homer: Where people throw ducks at balloons, and nothing's the way it seems 00:41:25 kenm has quit ("Leaving") 00:46:50 lol: http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/01nov/xuf003691.gif 00:48:59 tansaku has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 00:49:07 heh, heh 00:51:31 dinner, c'ya 00:52:02 tansaku (~sam@h131-012.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 00:56:14 Morbus has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 00:59:07 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m64-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 00:59:22 sbp (~sean@m64-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:00:16 Homer: Stupid gravity 01:08:35 heh 01:08:41 Morbus (~Morbus@s126.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:10:55 ping 01:11:01 Hi Morbus 01:11:13 hmf. 01:11:34 hi 01:12:44 bugger 01:12:47 ah well. 01:12:58 what's up? 01:13:18 can't connect to this irc network. 01:13:22 no big deal. 01:13:35 Erm... you're on it 01:13:35 you seem to have connected just fine 01:13:42 not this one, that one ;) 01:14:02 when you ask a question, make sure you're starign at the same window i am, ok? ;) 01:14:47 which one? 01:14:55 its a private one. 01:14:58 from good friends. 01:15:01 pah 01:15:01 long time friends. 01:15:11 see, if it wasn't private, then there wouldn't be this prob 01:15:47 yeah 01:16:34 ok, i'm going to step out for a bit. be back later 01:16:44 c'ya 01:18:50 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 01:20:09 sbp (~sean@m64-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:20:38 there, that's better 01:21:12 sbp has quit (Client Quit) 01:21:32 sbp (~sean@m64-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:25:58 hey sbp 01:26:06 hi there 01:26:17 i smell bad. 01:26:55 you should stop washing yourself in mud and dogshit. I keep telling you 01:27:15 yeah, but i like the sounds they make. water just doesn't have that squish, i'm tellin ya. 01:27:21 but do you listen? no, you never do. I don't know why I bother... 01:27:41 put some gelatin in the water 01:27:51 you bother because you love me, and... gulp... i love you! 01:27:54 washing in falvourless jelly should be alright 01:28:07 not me, him! 01:29:23 almost done my email. sigh. 01:29:51 how many do you have left? 01:30:08 22 01:30:22 been working on them for 2 1/2 hours. 01:30:30 cool 01:30:59 and i get another five every time i check. bah. 01:31:46 that's quite annoying when that happens... you answer one, and get another three in the same time... lovely 01:34:00 heh: ""Symposium" is the Greek term for a drinking-party." - http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/s/symposiu.htm 01:35:37 Morby, what do you have as your homepage? 01:35:44 nothing. 01:35:59 i'm not a fan of homepages. 01:36:18 Hmm... I use Google 01:36:32 I find it's the page I'm most likely to want to go to when I open a new window :-) 01:36:48 heh 01:38:38 my usual browser doesn't have a concept of a homepage, but I often go to Google as the unremovable first entry in the history stack :-) 01:39:20 wonders whether there was any point in saying that 01:39:38 heh. you just wanted to feel special. 01:40:33 heh, heh!: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_458773.html?menu=news.quirkies 01:40:34 I just woke up from a weird dream. Perhaps that has something to do with it. 01:40:57 tansaku is now known as tansaku_meeting 01:40:58 you dreamed you weren't a sysadmin anymore, and that you were happy? 01:41:32 see ya's l8r 01:41:56 heh, no 01:42:27 GabeW has quit () 01:44:09 weird, it looks like it's driving down with rain outside from one angle, but from another, it doesn't 01:45:58 sounds vaguely thixotropic 01:49:41 brb 01:49:42 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:52:54 thixotropic? 01:53:38 but of course it isn't; that'd be silly 01:54:25 yes, rather 01:57:03 Morbus (~Morbus@s126.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:57:55 thanks, sbp. i love you too. bastard. 01:58:42 heh, heh! 01:59:47 ah, a new email in my inbox... could it be? 02:00:03 yes, it is! 02:00:46 well, it wouldn't have been a real accomplishment had you not had to deal with one of my rants too 02:01:44 tav` has quit ("Hakuna Matata") 02:02:59 sigh. i've sent 12 emails since we chatted, and i still have 20 to go. 02:03:09 that is not a very good ratio. 02:03:41 tav` (~tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 02:05:01 heh, especially as you had 22 to answer 02:05:56 tav` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:06:04 has anyone everr bought you something off your wish list? has some sick depraved weirdo actually bought you something? has some utterly insance, twisted, contorted, demented, tortured, smegged up fool... 02:06:11 happily, most of the remaining stuff is mailing list stuff. 02:06:22 yeah, sbp, i've gotten three books from two people off my list. 02:06:47 see, only 14 left now. 02:06:48 * sbp decides to get a wish list... :-) 02:06:52 heh. 02:06:58 you should buy something off mine. come on. 02:07:00 wink, wink. 02:07:25 if I have so little money that I need to create a wish list... 02:07:46 tav` (~tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 02:07:48 of course, we could do a swap deal. I'll buy something from yours if you buy something from mine :-) 02:08:06 but then we may as well just buy a book that we like each, and be done with it 02:08:06 heh./ 02:08:28 in fact, we may as well just forget it. Just forget that this weird little conversation ever took place 02:08:32 Hi Morbus 02:08:43 have you done your emails yet? 02:09:02 i'm at 13 now 02:13:19 down to 6. works for me. 02:16:30 WFM 02:17:20 wfm? 02:19:04 logster, grep 1-15 -i WFM 02:19:19 I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '-i WFM' (showing 1...1) 02:21:30 Grpgmrpgrgh 02:21:38 logster, grep -i 1-15 WFM 02:21:47 I'm logging. I found 46 answers for 'WFM' (showing 1...15) 02:21:48 1) 2001-11-27 02:19:04 logster, grep 1-15 -i WFM 02:21:49 2) 2001-11-27 02:17:20 wfm? 02:21:50 3) 2001-11-27 02:16:30 WFM 02:21:51 4) 2001-11-01 17:12:15 WFM 02:21:52 5) 2001-10-12 23:21:22 WFM, a new acronym! 02:21:53 6) 2001-10-07 23:24:44 WFM! 02:21:54 7) 2001-10-07 21:04:37 I was trying to show deltab what WFM meant 02:21:55 8) 2001-10-07 21:03:29 WFM, what was all the acroynm stuff about? 02:21:56 9) 2001-10-07 17:12:40 logster, grep 100 WFM 02:21:57 10) 2001-10-01 07:36:10 WFM, it's 8:37AM. AM! 02:21:58 11) 2001-09-26 19:55:54 WFM, it connected on the first attempt 02:21:59 12) 2001-09-21 02:15:27 WFM 02:22:00 13) 2001-09-21 01:43:50 WFM, no results! 02:22:01 14) 2001-09-21 01:43:11 neat: http://www.google.com/search?q=WFM+%22well+fuck+me%22&hl=en 02:22:02 15) 2001-09-21 01:08:02 "00:43:23 * sbp coins WFM" - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-21.txt 02:22:03 tav` has quit ("Hakuna Matata") 02:26:03 lo 02:26:11 'l 02:26:22 'i 02:27:09 'l? 02:27:21 'l!\ 02:28:30 l(?:[^l]+?)l! 02:28:44 deltab speaks! you should speak more, deltab 02:29:29 where does he speak? 02:29:53 up a little bit 02:30:13 he talks about google 02:30:21 I just built google into my address bar. 02:30:30 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Not sure who reads the wallops these days. We've reduced the length of our ping frequency for clients. When people ping out, they will start to have shorter timeouts. But the question is, are more of them pinging out, or less? ;) Let us know. :) 02:30:32 making it my homepage was too slow 02:43:10 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 02:44:22 tav (foo@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 02:46:17 tav has left #swhack 02:47:56 side effects of being ranked highly on google: You get people asking for homeowrk help 02:48:12 heh, heh 02:48:17 such as? 02:48:44 someone wants to know what I htink of Medusa and the Snail. 02:49:22 .google medusa and the snail homework 02:49:23 medusa and the snail homework: http://www.cecs.csulb.edu/~jewett/engr350/hw3example.html 02:49:36 .google how to hack wesley felter 02:49:37 how to hack wesley felter: http://wmf.editthispage.com 02:50:20 so, what do you think of it? 02:50:28 I don't remember. 02:50:41 tav` (~tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 02:51:59 why'd you want to hack Wesley Felter? 02:52:15 Heh heh. Just testing Wesley's google power. 02:52:17 .google how to hack 02:52:18 how to hack: http://wmf.editthispage.com 02:52:34 .google hack 02:52:35 hack: http://wmf.editthispage.com 02:52:47 cool 02:52:50 that's scary. 02:52:54 xmlhack is like #2 02:53:18 I thought it would be more like Pi 02:53:22 .todo Meet deltab 02:53:41 ah, it is #2 02:55:13 Hmm, you're not on the front page. 02:55:15 oops 02:55:31 no, never mind 02:55:32 you 02:55:34 you're not 02:57:42 hey, sbp: 02:57:42 Hello, 02:57:42 I was looking for your Wish List at Amazon.com, 02:57:42 but I couldn't find it. I want to buy you 02:57:42 something and I want to make sure it's 02:57:43 something you really want. Create a Wish List 02:57:45 at Amazon.com so I know what to get you. 02:57:47 Thanks! 02:57:49 02:57:50 tav` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:59:44 Hmm, there's an Aaron O. Swartz' 03:00:30 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 03:00:56 Wow, Amazon knew I was interested in Squeak. How did it do that?! 03:01:43 tav` (tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 03:06:45 tav` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:09:27 tav` (tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 03:12:11 deltab has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:12:14 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:42:21 Morbus (~Morbus@s112.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 03:44:59 Morbus has quit (Client Quit) 03:45:43 sbp (~sean@p7Ds13a06.client.global.net.uk) has joined #swhack 03:51:20 Aha, no wonder it recommended Squeak. For some reason it's rated highly with "The Wiki Way". bijan....! 03:53:24 ouch: http://www.chronicle.com/free/v48/i14/14a02901.htm 03:53:28 (via HTP) 03:55:33 (via tomalak.org) 03:56:36 saddening 03:57:05 yeah, it really sucks, brainwashing kids like that. 03:57:19 I happened to visit my old school on the day they shut down the computer lab because of file sharing. 03:57:36 And had a nice chat about it with the principal, who's a great guy. 03:57:37 ugh 03:57:49 But the sysadmins there are awful. 04:11:27 be back soon 04:11:30 * AaronSw disconnects 04:14:49 * AaronSw reconnects 04:19:24 Gotta run 04:20:05 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 47 seconds) 04:23:31 * AaronSw upgrades sbp to an Amazon Trusted Friend 04:24:02 what does that entail? 04:24:28 Hmm... 04:24:29 """ 04:24:30 An Amazon Friend is a person who has permission to see a private view of your About You area. This private view can include personal information like name or e-mail and items from your list of Shared Purchases. Amazon Friends appear in your Favorite People list with a star icon next to their name. 04:24:31 """ 04:25:13 * AaronSw suspects deltab is not the Daniel Biddle of New York, NY. 04:26:09 * AaronSw checks tav's wish list out. 04:26:16 Hmm, he wants a "Moisture Master 00080-4 Soaker Hose Starter Kit" 04:26:58 """ 04:26:58 Name: tav 04:26:58 Nickname: tav959 04:26:58 About me: espian 04:27:00 """ 04:27:23 Location: Orpington, Kent United Kingdom 04:33:36 * oierw` waits for tav to attempt to find him 04:33:42 s/tav/aaronsw/g 04:36:22 I know where you live. 04:37:58 BenSW is now known as BenSW|AFK 05:17:03 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 06:10:17 tansaku_meeting is now known as tansaku 06:26:28 wb 06:28:30 hey dude 06:32:06 tav (~tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 06:44:38 The Gummy Guys in the MSN Messenger icon look positively tasty. 07:00:25 g'nite everyone 07:00:35 i'm off to sleep 07:01:31 So yesterday I was playing with HP's Jena to get RDF statements printed out in XML etc. 07:01:39 GabeW has quit ("Ba-bye!") 07:02:04 and I see that I have options about which RDF formalism to subscribe to 07:02:27 like, there is DC and RSS, and they all have their own predicates 07:02:59 so one thing is that I noticed that none of these formalisms had a keyword predicate 07:03:13 by formalisms you mean vocabularies? 07:03:20 RDF's big thing is mixing vocabularies 07:03:26 sure, vocabularies 07:03:47 basically it's very important for NeuroGrid to be able to describe keyword relations 07:03:54 ok, formalism sounded sort of mutually exclusive... 07:04:07 I mean if I want a keyword predicate then I have to create one? 07:04:16 but then can I mix it with RSS? 07:04:24 Unless you can find one someplace else... 07:04:25 yes 07:04:33 and yes to the 2nd question 07:05:14 is dc:subject different than keyword? 07:05:25 So while there is an RSS vocabulary, I'm free to put in other stuff, but that just won't get used by people automatically parsing RSS feeds 07:05:37 Exactly. 07:05:49 It'll only be used by tools that understand your terms. 07:06:07 Hmm, this paper looks somewhat relevant: http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~ex1253/rdf_paper/ 07:06:18 they seem to be doing automatic keyword weighting for documents in rdf 07:06:37 dc:subject - I'm not sure - I was looking at other things like dc:relation and just not being sure what gets used for what 07:06:56 have you looked at the dc spec? 07:07:08 http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/ 07:07:22 excellent reference BTW the automatic meta-data generation 07:07:32 cool 07:07:55 ah thanks for the dublincore spec - I was just looking at the JENA javadocs yesterday 07:08:35 hmm, i'm not sure how seriously you should take the scit.wlv.ac.uk stuff -- their schema doesn't even resolve :( 07:08:53 and I presume there is something similar for RSS - and if you publish an RSS format then other tools (?) can grab your stuff and display it elsewhere 07:09:13 I'll be careful with the scit.wlv.ac.uk people then ... 07:09:19 Yeah, RSS spec is at http://purl.org/rss/1.0/ 07:09:28 * AaronSw is an RSS co-author 07:09:47 * tansaku wonders what an RSS co-author is 07:09:56 co-author of the RSS spec. 07:10:13 Ah, you mean you wrote it with some other people 07:10:20 yeah 07:10:54 so what are the tools that people use to handle RSS - I mean I don't know any at all 07:11:16 Really? It's one of the most popular RDF, no, XML formats in use... 07:11:46 * tansaku comes from a different part of the world 07:12:10 true 07:12:18 It was used by My Netscape 07:12:23 I mean I hear that RadioUserland has something to so with that, Meerkat, but I don't really know what either of those systems does really 07:12:36 Yeah. 07:12:41 Their RSS aggregators. 07:12:48 They grabn all these RSS feeds and put them on a page for ou. 07:12:48 ah yeah, maybe I saw some of the Netscape things, but I never hacked - it was just something going on in the background 07:12:55 great for news-obsessive people 07:13:00 xena speaks rss too 07:13:02 .news slashdot 07:13:02 and you can select which RSS feeds you like? 07:13:03 [ SLASHDOT ] - European Space Agency Developing GPS Rival - Wil Wheaton playing for EFF - California Takes Issue With Microsoft Settlement Idea - http://slashdot.org/ 07:13:07 tansaku, yeah 07:13:16 xena's .news works by grabbing RSS feeds 07:13:41 * tansaku starts swimming out into a new sea of knowledge 07:14:02 so if I'm publishing an RSS compatible document then how do I let people know it's there? 07:14:12 I mail Rael and Dave huh? 07:14:17 That's one way. 07:14:27 Nowadays I recommend that you submit it to syndic8.com 07:14:48 there's also xmltree.com 07:15:02 yeah, but they're not as cool ;-) 07:15:19 Anyways, I see there's an RSS module design thing on purl.org, but what I'm really looking for is guidelines on structuring my RSS feed period. 07:16:01 Well, RSS feeds are pretty well structured. 07:16:17 There's a channel with some properties, and a bunch of items, each with some properties 07:16:22 you should look at some of them 07:16:28 there's a long list on syndic8.com 07:16:40 I was looking at your one that you create with a chumpbot like thing 07:16:48 cool 07:16:50 that's a good example 07:16:53 .news swhack 07:16:54 [ SWHACK ] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/ 07:17:18 hmm, pretty bland now i guess 07:17:50 I just wondered if there was some kind of consensus about how to display things - but I guess the aggregators can redisplay stuff in whatever style they like 07:18:13 Yep. 07:18:25 data like that isn't tied down into one formatting 07:18:28 that's why it's so nice 07:19:05 right - and if I want to parse an RSS feed, then I need to use my own templates, or XSL or something to reformat? 07:19:30 Yeah, depends what you're doing really. 07:19:42 like xena loads it into a db and then prints it out as text on command 07:19:46 so you can do: 07:19:50 .news on navy 07:20:01 .news on afghanistan 07:20:07 * AaronSw kicks xena 07:20:09 .news on 07:20:09 usage: email [ //]  07:20:10 - send email from irc! just specify the email address you want to send it to. 07:20:11 - you can also provide an optional subject line, provided you close it with // 07:20:16 huh? 07:20:18 weird 07:20:22 weird 07:20:37 .help news on 07:20:43 .help news 07:20:43 usage: news [/ #] [#] [+] 07:20:44 - renders the latest news for the specified channel. 07:20:45 - use / # to define the number of news items you want. it defaults to 3. 07:20:46 - define # to get the description and link for the news item number. 07:20:47 - provide the + option if you want to get the news titles and urls displayed. 07:20:55 anywy, it's supposed to do a search against its database 07:21:42 .news on business 07:21:44 XML: An Initiative driven largely by business executives - Content-Wire - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l28209689 07:21:45 Andale, with Content Management - Content-Wire - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l28209673 07:21:46 Workshop: Disaster Recovery Planning - AccountingWEB - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l28209554 07:22:10 anyways: to summarise (and let you get to bed), I'm basically free to publish RSS feeds with additional predicates, but only the official RSS predicates will be used by common tools - other people will be able to syndicate the content that I display and potentially display it in a different format 07:22:21 I think the word you give is matched against channel names 07:22:43 tansaku, sounds right 07:23:11 * AaronSw wonders how c.moreover.com got into his adservers-to-block list 07:23:12 but like with the swhack weblog, the RSS feed is different from any html, but the two might be derived from the same source, database, flat file, whatever 07:23:25 right 07:24:10 thanks for that - sounds like people could really use a NeuroGrid like interface on top of an RSS aggregator - I guess that's what orasis was talkgin about putting NeuroGrid over Meerkat 07:24:27 yeah, that definitely sounds cool 07:25:00 well, hope i was helpful 07:25:06 .time jst 07:25:07 Nov. 27, 2001 4:26 pm GMT+9 07:25:20 have a nice afternoon 07:25:23 the whole point being to use usage frequency to rank the feeds for your own organisation, and if you publish, allow others to see your preferences 07:25:33 * tansaku stops talking 07:25:47 AaronSw; thanks you were very helpful 07:25:48 Heh. 07:25:55 ah, no prob 07:25:58 night then - see you around 07:26:08 * AaronSw awaits an RSS/Neurogrid demo 07:26:12 .google meerkat 07:26:13 meerkat: http://meerkat.oreillynet.com 07:26:17 nite 07:29:05 * tansaku starts to hack 07:29:15 nite dude 11:49:40 sbp (~sean@m519-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 11:49:47 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:49:57 sbp (~sean@m519-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 11:57:25 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 13:45:36 deltab has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 13:45:37 tansaku has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 13:45:37 oierw` has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 13:47:38 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 13:47:38 tansaku (~sam@h131-012.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 13:47:38 oierw` (mathew@nic-118-c81-56.mn.mediaone.net) has joined #swhack 13:47:40 tav` has quit (Excess Flood) 13:59:44 tav` (tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 15:55:14 sbp (~sean@m51-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 15:55:58 * sbp listens to "Fool In The Rain", Led Zeppelin 16:38:34 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 16:51:48 oierw` has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 16:54:09 oierw` (mathew@nic-118-c81-56.mn.mediaone.net) has joined #swhack 17:19:01 deltab has quit (Ping timeout: 47 seconds) 17:25:11 oierw` has quit ("hmm.") 17:26:04 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 17:30:11 sbp (~sean@m1007-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:30:15 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 17:30:51 * sbp waves to Gabe 17:31:16 good timing:- 17:31:17 [[[ 17:31:17 17:30:11 sbp (~sean@m1007-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:31:18 17:30:15 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 17:31:18 ]]] 17:31:30 hi 17:39:31 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 17:45:28 sbp (~sean@m1007-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:59:43 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 18:01:19 sbp (~sean@m640-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 18:23:46 they messed up the mixing on "Brown Eyed Girl" a bit... 18:24:18 I'm sure that at about 2:30 into the song, the volume goes down too much, and then comes back again. Perhaps there was a production mistake, so they had to take a track off 18:25:41 .google "Brown Eyed Girl" production mistake 18:25:42 "Brown Eyed Girl" production mistake: http://www.rarb.org/reviews/253.html 18:28:33 Gotta run 18:30:07 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 18:34:08 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 18:44:38 la la la. 18:46:49 la la la la! 18:46:53 yay! 18:46:57 how are you? 18:47:06 ok, you? 18:50:02 alright. got my kity. wish i was home with it. 18:50:42 sbp (~sean@m809-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 18:50:57 Ooh, how is it? 18:51:13 How is what? Morbus' cat? 18:51:38 yeah. 18:51:39 AaronSw has changed the topic to: The first rule of swhack: You do not talk about swhack 18:51:41 she's sleepy./ 18:51:43 heh. 18:51:52 Did you call her "Bunny"? 18:51:55 i have that sound track. 18:51:57 no, maya. 18:52:03 Whoa, etoy is broadcasting from Sealand now? 18:52:17 whoa, you get etoy missives too? kickass 18:54:12 What's the second rule of swhack? (I'm aware of the citation) 18:54:15 chumpster has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 18:55:03 yo, etoy boy 18:55:30 second rule: You do not talk about swhack 18:55:38 :-) 18:55:40 Gotta run 18:58:28 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 190 seconds) 18:58:35 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 19:01:41 chumpster has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 19:02:02 what's up with chumpster today? 19:04:39 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 19:31:20 deltab has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 19:31:20 tansaku has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 19:31:23 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 19:34:02 Morbus has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 19:51:53 [GlobalSpam] We return you to your regular scheduled programming. 19:54:58 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:14:11 elmaestro (inets@B593d.pppool.de) has joined #swhack 20:14:13 hi 20:17:11 elmaestro has quit (Client Quit) 20:22:30 Morbus has left #swhack 21:02:23 sbp (~sean@m11-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:17:21 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 21:18:50 * sbp spies Morbus off of the starboard bow 21:19:17 * Morbus blows a spout of water with blissful glee! 21:21:24 so how are you, my spear throwing captain? 21:22:16 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 21:22:57 sbp (~sean@m208-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:23:16 so how are you, my spear throwing captain? 21:24:01 i bet you're gonna timeout soon. sigh. 21:24:06 spear throwing? Fine, thank you. And you? 21:24:10 Nah, not me guv'ner 21:24:30 well, i need to lose wait. the brine this year are plentiful, and i haven't been watching what i eat. 21:24:35 /wait/weight/ 21:26:35 that's what plankton does to you 21:27:04 i wanna go home to my kitty! >:( 21:29:10 Why don' 21:29:20 don't you? What's stopping you? The man? 21:37:47 * AaronSw makes note not to do web site design 21:38:28 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 21:38:55 sbp (~sean@m208-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:40:01 yeah, the man. 21:40:08 AaronSw, i hear ya. i'm burnt out on web design. 21:40:42 Well, it's not web design that's my problem. It's my complete inability to express myself visually. 21:40:48 It sucks, because I'm a visual thinker. 21:41:02 * sbp laughs a bit 21:41:14 laugh it up, fuzzball 21:41:21 ;-) 21:41:27 heh/ 21:41:40 hey, can i ask you guys a design related question? 21:41:44 sure. 21:41:45 * AaronSw wonders whether to share the drek he created... 21:42:17 http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20011126/018008.html 21:42:26 I need visual IRC -- that'll teach me to express myself visually. 21:42:37 they're used to be ... wait, you mean groove? 21:42:45 Hmm. 21:42:45 hotlinesw used to release a chat program with a whiteboard. 21:43:15 Interesting. 21:43:20 I wish they had Groove for Mac. 21:43:25 somewhere I've seen mention of a whiteboard extension to irc 21:43:33 Heh, only Morbus would pick the PaganWiccan about.com site 21:43:40 heheheh.e 21:43:46 gotta spread the gospel any chance i get 21:43:58 so what do you think? 21:44:06 i keep thinking they would solve a lot of my disobey.com ia related probels. 21:44:12 it kept me up at night thinking about it. 21:44:20 I don't think there's a navbard on top of the about.com site 21:44:32 not until you get into a certain section. 21:44:32 heh, navbard 21:44:36 its a simple navtrail. 21:44:36 heh heh 21:44:43 I think you should use black text on a black background for disobey... 21:44:45 a poet who tells you how to get about a site 21:44:49 Exactly! 21:44:50 @ http://www.asktog.com/basics/firstPrinciples.html 21:45:01 navbards are _so_ disobey.com 21:45:02 A: http://www.asktog.com/basics/firstPrinciples.html from Morbus 21:45:13 what? i hate poetry, mofo. 21:45:19 A::The following principles are fundamental to the design and implementation of effective interfaces, whether for traditional GUI environments or the web. Of late, many web applications have reflected a lack of understanding of many of these principles of design, to their great detriment. Because an application or service appears on the web, the principles do not change. If anything, applying these principles become even more important. 21:45:20 commented item A 21:45:34 first post! 21:45:44 if you think this site sucks, send a not do disobey mucks. if you want to see sheep, click here and make your client beep. 21:45:47 errm note 21:46:03 um. 21:46:05 huh? 21:46:11 heh heh heh 21:46:18 my attempt at navbardery fails 21:46:26 :) 21:46:36 A:|AskTog: First Principles 21:46:37 titled item A 21:46:49 there's a chump around that puts the page title automatically in there. 21:47:30 Yeah, ours does that. 21:47:42 then whydoesnt it everdo it? 21:47:43 Just not with slow sites. 21:47:55 it does it a lot 21:48:20 logster, grep chumpster.*[A-Z]: [^h] 21:49:11 I'm logging. I found 65 answers for 'chumpster.*[A-Z]: [^h]' (showing 0...4) 21:49:12 0) 2001-11-26 21:04:55 E: svg2swf from sbp 21:49:13 1) 2001-11-26 01:31:18 C: Overview of 'Fractal Thicket' Indexing from AaronSw 21:49:14 2) 2001-11-26 00:42:25 B: Finnegan's Wake eText / bookwarez from AaronSw 21:49:15 3) 2001-11-26 00:36:50 A: The Xtraceroute homepage. from AaronSw 21:49:16 4) 2001-11-25 16:47:48 B: ElectionMethods.org: Studying Alternate Voting Systems (http://electionmethods.org/) 21:52:15 so ignoring all this, what do yout hink of those network bars? 21:52:56 Gotta run 21:52:58 sbp has quit ("Homer: 20 dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 21:53:46 sbp (~sean@m208-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:53:58 I guess they're a good idea. 21:54:06 if you do it well 22:08:06 xena has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:08:45 tav` has quit ("Hakuna Matata") 22:12:58 tav has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:13:55 tav` (tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 22:20:31 xena (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 22:27:52 atlantis? http://www.earthfiles.com/earth303.htm 22:30:44 wow 22:30:51 yeah, indeed. 22:33:08 better or worse? 22:47:35 Morbus has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)") 22:57:08 * sbp waves 22:58:49 hi sbp 22:58:53 i didn't see you come in 22:59:11 Hmm, I guess you never left 22:59:35 Uh huh 23:00:47 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:03:31 sbp (~sean@m132-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 23:07:08 sbp, do you know whwn the W3C Plenary is? 23:07:58 yes, thanks 23:08:18 25 February 2002 - 1 March 2002 23:08:23 many thanks 23:08:32 no problem 23:09:15 * AaronSw is filling in his new calendar software 23:09:52 cool 23:10:18 When's your birthday? 23:16:59 GabeW has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 23:24:48 Anybody know what "German post-reform rules" are in the context of spelling? 23:24:54 .webster german post-reform rules 23:24:54 error: unable to define german post-reform rules 23:29:44 Entourage is actually very nice. 23:30:01 It's got a great little calendar thing, which stores people birthdays and calculates their age and horoscope. 23:30:06 It can also store their picture and nickname. 23:30:16 It's got a great system for creating links between items. 23:30:23 It's a very pretty interface, if a big too large at times. 23:30:36 And it'll even keep track of tasks for you. 23:30:55 It has this nice thing called "views" which are like automatically-updated queries. 23:31:06 And they added real indexing, so searching is very fast. 23:33:04 Did I mention it has a system for storing notes to yourself? 23:34:46 Oh, cool, there's a preference to get rid of the annoying button bloat. 23:35:28 Hmm, sucky export features tho. 23:35:45 Whoa, it can save my calendar as a webpage. 23:36:24 It's a sucky frame-based, javascript webpage, tho. 23:39:18 Morbus (~Morbus@s110.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 23:40:24 Hey Morbus. Entourage is starting to grow on me. 23:40:29 It has an awesome todo list system. 23:40:41 my kitty is going to the bathroom. i think she's constipated. 23:40:44 it does? like what? tell me about it. 23:40:55 can you use it without forcing email usage? 23:41:09 Yeah. 23:41:19 Open it up for yourself. 23:41:20 maybe i should try it, eh? 23:41:26 yeah 23:41:26 i didn't even install it. 23:41:32 lemme throw in my disk here. 23:43:58 ooh. kitty peed blood. 23:44:00 brv 23:44:14 ack! happy soudn on startup! 23:44:43 of your kitty? 23:44:48 no. entourage 23:44:51 oh, heh 23:45:36 so what's so great about this tasks thing? 23:45:49 it's got metadata, and search on metadata, and views 23:45:55 and links and colors and categories 23:46:01 and a cool interface, and a nice tie-in with the calendar 23:46:06 and graphical notes 23:46:18 ooh. nice reoccuring events 23:46:22 yeah 23:46:30 metadata? where? 23:46:49 tav (~tav@host217-34-80-252.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 23:46:56 just priority and categories, really 23:48:29 nice tasks thing on the calendar. 23:49:09 ooh. see contact on expedia map 23:49:58 random signatures. nice. 23:50:12 * AaronSw wonders what to plug in his .sigs 23:50:25 Ah, swhack weblog 23:50:35 hmm. this looks good. 23:51:04 yeah, i bet it'll even import from eudora 23:51:15 i['m gonna try that now. ee how fast it is. 23:51:20 i have one folder with 2500+ emails. 23:51:25 heh, probably not very 23:52:05 eudora runs well with that many. 23:52:19 one of the main reasons i switched to eudora. i was using oe before that and it started getting real real slow 23:52:41 oh, i menat the import is slow 23:52:44 the program seems really fast 23:52:48 i have 10,000 messages 23:53:05 oh neat. you can categorize email. 23:54:44 and i'm running this off the cd still too ;) 23:55:21 Heh. 23:56:16 Wow, the rules in here are great: "is from a mailing list" "is a reply to me" 23:56:22 importing 23:56:27 "is html mail" 23:56:28 GabeW (~gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com) has joined #swhack 23:56:38 whoa? is html mail? 23:56:38 kickass. 23:56:45 yeah 23:57:04 and it bursts digests -- cool 23:57:31 wow. only about 25 seconds on a folder with 1000 items. dunno if it did it right though 23:57:34 if is html mail then change status to junk mail 23:57:35 ;-) 23:57:40 exactly :) 23:59:42 3:28 seconds so far