IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-29

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01:14:55 [sbp]

Hooray: I got an HTTP PUT client that I've been hacking on to work with Basic Authentication

01:15:05 [sbp]

Digest is going to be a bit more difficult

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02:05:47 [hazmat]

in python?

02:05:57 [hazmat]

if so checkout the urllib2 library. cheers

02:41:42 [sbp]

Yep, I have (of course). In fact, I just scraped out the relevent functions, and jigged them so that they can handle HEAD/PUT. And it works for HEAD (just modifying for PUT)

02:43:48 [sbp]

Hooray! It worked

02:47:41 [sbp]

* sbp was able to reuse some of the stuff out of urllib2, but not much

02:49:50 [sbp]

Hmm... the trickiest thing is to give it a neat command line format

02:49:59 [sbp]

Because there are a few options

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* sbp settles on an approach

03:14:02 [sbp]

Hmm... I could add FTP to it as well; then I might actually use it for something

03:14:34 [sbp]

Blargh, it doesn't even check for lost updates yet. Couldn't be bothered to mess about with ETags and stuff yet

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17:00:07 [AaronSw-UK]

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17:01:01 [AaronSw-UK]

hi :-)

17:01:11 [AaronSw-UK]

.time est

17:01:12 [xena]

Dec. 29, 2001 12:02 pm US/Eastern

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17:13:11 [AaronSw-UK]

hi sbp

17:13:32 [sbp]

Er... hi

17:13:43 [AaronSw-UK]

Er?

17:13:44 [sbp]

* sbp figures it out quickly

17:13:57 [sbp]

Heh, it's dark already over here :-)

17:14:12 [AaronSw-UK]

:-)

17:14:38 [AaronSw-UK]

Sorta nice like that.

17:15:20 [AaronSw-UK]

I think we'll be visiting you on Monday.

17:15:24 [AaronSw-UK]

That OK?

17:15:59 [sbp]

Yep, that's absolutely fine

17:16:06 [AaronSw-UK]

Not sure how long we'll be there though, since we probably won't get there until 11, and we'll have to leave to make the New Year's Eve party in Grenwich.

17:16:51 [AaronSw-UK]

And we wanted to tour the stuff there first...

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17:17:59 [sbp]

Yep, that's O.K.

17:18:32 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh, you're much less picky than tav.

17:19:28 [sbp]

What time do you think you'll be down then - 11-12ish?

17:19:58 [AaronSw-UK]

did you get the logs? I said: "we probably won't get there until 11"

17:20:17 [sbp]

Have you checked the trains for New Year's Eve, BTW? Might be a few travelling, if you want to get back for that party

17:20:40 [AaronSw-UK]

Hmm.

17:21:09 [sbp]

Well that's fine because I probably won't be able to get up much earlier than that (and be all that alert) :-)

17:21:15 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh.

17:21:15 [AaronSw-UK]

i think we sort of assumed there'd be trains

17:22:06 [sbp]

Well, it's always best to check. Trains go nuts over here sometimes - lots of construction work, and the dreaded "leaves on the line"

17:22:29 [sbp]

And, they just don't have as many trains on as usual over holidays

17:24:16 [sbp]

Since my mother has been saying nothing else but "I wonder what they'd like in their sandwiches" for the past several weeks, I just have to ask... what do you want in your sandwiches? :-)

17:24:18 [AaronSw-UK]

leaves on the line?

17:24:39 [sbp]

yeah, they tend to jump off of the trees at this time of the year

17:27:58 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Box-Tossing Day was ages ago

17:29:15 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Home of Aaron's Oddessy [sic]

17:31:01 [AaronSw-UK]

Umm, OK.

17:31:21 [AaronSw-UK]

Oh dear... I have to decide what I want in my sandwich?

17:32:07 [sbp]

I'm afraid so. Sorry that it had to come to that

17:33:13 [AaronSw-UK]

Well, for comparison, I eat like two bagels for lunch when I'm at home. Plain bagels.

17:33:47 [AaronSw-UK]

Today I had a bagguette, yesterday a steak.

17:34:49 [sbp]

Ah... so you'll be wanting a lavish five-course meal with all the trimmings?

17:35:14 [sbp]

Er... bagel sandwich, then?

17:35:18 [AaronSw-UK]

Oops, I forgot to put the archive link on the front page.

17:35:20 [AaronSw-UK]

* AaronSw-UK smacks head

17:35:35 [AaronSw-UK]

Hmm, so I guess that doesn't really answer the question.

17:35:39 [sbp]

Nope

17:36:48 [AaronSw-UK]

How do I get XSLT to stop ignoring my spacing?

17:37:32 [deltab]

xsl:preserve-space

17:37:49 [AaronSw-UK]

on xsl:output?

17:38:16 [AaronSw-UK]

.google xsl:preserve-space

17:38:17 [xena]

xsl:preserve-space: http://www.vbxml.com/xsl/elmxsl_preserve-space.asp

17:39:23 [sbp]

.google preserve-space site:dpawson.co.uk

17:39:24 [xena]

preserve-space site:dpawson.co.uk: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/N8494.html&e=747

17:39:31 [sbp]

http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/N8494.html

17:40:25 [sbp]

Must be nice programming XSLT in a different country :-)

17:40:30 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh heh.

17:40:44 [deltab]

I found that in w3.org/tr/xslt under "Whitespace" :-)

17:40:58 [deltab]

http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#strip

17:41:50 [AaronSw-UK]

hmm, that seems to have eliminated all text

17:41:59 [AaronSw-UK]

err, all markup

17:42:48 [deltab]

heh

17:42:52 [deltab]

what has?

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<xsl:preserve-space>

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17:49:42 [AaronSw-UK]

I went to the most awesome restaurant last night

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@ http://www.dine-online.co.uk/giraffe.htm

17:50:53 [chumpster]

A: London Restaurants, dining: Giraffe from AaronSw-UK

17:51:06 [AaronSw-UK]

A:|Giraffe, the Restaurant

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titled item A

17:51:27 [AaronSw-UK]

A::We went to this restaurant last night -- I absolutely loved it.

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commented item A

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20:30:58 [hazmat]

ibm's developer works favicon looks like an alien

20:41:37 [sbp]

Hmm... what's with Galeon?

20:43:37 [sbp]

http://www.gtlinc.com/gnome.html

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20:49:27 [sbp]

logster, grep "^<[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+$"

20:49:38 [sbp]

I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '"^<[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+$"' (internally: ""^<[^>]+> http:\/\/[^ ">]+"")

20:50:06 [sbp]

logster, grep <[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+

20:50:25 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 452 answers for '<[^>]+> http://[^ ">]+' (showing 0...4)

20:50:26 [logster]

0) 2001-12-29 20:43:37 <sbp> http://www.gtlinc.com/gnome.html

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1) 2001-12-29 17:40:58 <deltab> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#strip

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2) 2001-12-29 17:39:31 <sbp> http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect3/N8494.html

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3) 2001-12-28 16:00:03 <AaronSw-UK> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2001/12/18/eguillermo.DTL

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4) 2001-12-28 02:43:07 <sbp> http://eserver.org/langs/palindromes.txt

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* logster is already logging

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* logster is already logging

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20:53:53 [AaronSw-UK]

hello again

20:54:37 [AaronSw-UK]

sbp, what's the train stop near you called?

20:56:01 [sbp]

We don't have one. Ahem

20:56:06 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh.

20:56:26 [sbp]

I can collect you in a Taxi, if you'd like

20:56:40 [sbp]

Er... perhaps not; how many of you are there going to be?

20:56:47 [AaronSw-UK]

well, 5

20:57:07 [sbp]

Hmm... yes; perhaps not

20:57:09 [sbp]

You can walk

20:57:16 [AaronSw-UK]

Ok, we like walking.

20:57:19 [sbp]

Heh, heh

20:57:37 [sbp]

There's a Taxi place near the station, or regular bus routes

20:57:39 [AaronSw-UK]

We just got back from our first tube ride... but we've been using cabs a lot here.

20:57:47 [sbp]

Ooh, the underground

20:58:01 [AaronSw-UK]

Yeah, still have to go on a double-decker bus.

20:58:12 [sbp]

They're rather fun too

20:58:16 [AaronSw-UK]

Hmm, does the train place have a website?

20:58:25 [sbp]

Er... let me check, but I doubt it

20:58:54 [sbp]

Nope, it doesn't seem to

20:58:59 [AaronSw-UK]

eh, doesn't exist then. bloody useless ;-)

20:59:33 [AaronSw-UK]

heh heh

21:00:20 [AaronSw-UK]

"Welcome to the City by the Sea" - http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/

21:00:32 [AaronSw-UK]

They like Random Capitalization here -- some funny stuff like that in the taxis.

21:01:07 [AaronSw-UK]

This must be your fault: "Free! disability film screening - celebrating diversity"

21:01:52 [sbp]

You've got the wrong guy, guv'ner

21:02:05 [AaronSw-UK]

ah, railtrack

21:02:26 [AaronSw-UK]

http://212.87.65.227/bin/newquery.exe/en

21:02:30 [AaronSw-UK]

via http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/site01.cfm?request=c1000163

21:07:24 [AaronSw-UK]

hmm, so we'll probably be there 4 hours

21:07:47 [AaronSw-UK]

ugh, lots of POSTs

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where there should be GETs

21:12:11 [AaronSw-UK]

rest of family thinking of visiting brighton museums and such while i'm with you

21:12:37 [sbp]

Good idea

21:13:25 [AaronSw-UK]

The underground had some very nicely done performance graphs

21:13:34 [AaronSw-UK]

UK is much more Tuftian than the US.

21:14:27 [AaronSw-UK]

this is where we will probably be going: http://www.thetube.com/content/metro/01/0112/13/

21:15:20 [sbp]

Neat

21:50:20 [AaronSw-UK]

Hmm, remind me to go to sleep. I've got tav coming tomorrow morning.

21:50:34 [AaronSw-UK]

And if I don't get enough sleep, what he says might make sense, which is obviously very dangerous.

21:52:27 [sbp]

Yes. Go to sleep now!

21:53:42 [AaronSw-UK]

Heh heh.

21:54:35 [AaronSw-UK]

I do like London. I want to move to Marlyebone and be a hip urbanite who goes to Jazz clubs and listens to world music while eating at restaurants named after animals which serve food from around the world, while wearing cool clothing and picking up trash people have left behind.

21:54:49 [AaronSw-UK]

BLURB:UK Trip Update

21:54:52 [chumpster]

B: UK Trip Update from AaronSw-UK

21:54:56 [AaronSw-UK]

B::I do like London. I want to move to Marlyebone and be a hip urbanite who goes to Jazz clubs and listens to world music while eating at restaurants named after animals which serve food from around the world, while wearing cool clothing and picking up trash people have left behind.

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commented item B

21:55:31 [sbp]

B::Me too, me too! Oh, yes!

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commented item B

21:56:34 [AaronSw-UK]

B::And we can live in fancy modern office buildings playing table tennis and working on projects that take over the world by ensuring no one can take over the world.

21:56:35 [chumpster]

commented item B

21:56:56 [AaronSw-UK]

BTW, I realized that everyone in the dream was there using holographic VR headsets -- they never left their actual physical lives.

21:57:17 [AaronSw-UK]

well, i'm not sure about the headsets

21:57:20 [sbp]

Pff, that sucks. I wanna *be* there

21:57:30 [AaronSw-UK]

yeah

21:58:18 [sbp]

* sbp finds a few songs from yesteryear

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Ah, Westward Shores

22:02:23 [AaronSw-UK]

save them for me ;)

22:03:54 [sbp]

Two guitars in chorus...

22:04:55 [AaronSw-UK]

don't look at me

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.webster expatriot

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@ http://www.erights.org/download/0-8-10/index.html

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C: http://www.erights.org/download/0-8-10/index.html from AaronSw-UK

22:05:38 [sbp]

Why is kearney banned?

22:05:39 [AaronSw-UK]

C:|E 0.8.10 Supports Mac OS X

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titled item C

22:05:53 [AaronSw-UK]

C::via [Wes|http://www.erights.org/download/0-8-10/]

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commented item C

22:06:02 [AaronSw-UK]

What makes you say that?

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logster, grep BanServ

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I'm logging. I found 6 answers for 'BanServ' (showing 0...4)

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0) 2001-12-29 22:06:25 <sbp> logster, grep BanServ

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1) 2001-12-24 20:23:07 <sbp> BanServ?

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2) 2001-12-24 20:22:06 <BanServ> BanServ has quit (Client Quit)

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3) 2001-12-24 20:21:34 <BanServ> BanServ (~bob@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack

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4) 2001-12-24 17:38:38 <BanServ> BanServ has quit (Client Quit)

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wkearny*!*@*.elnk.dsl.gtei.net BanServ (~bob@12-249[...]attbi.com)

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s/wkearny/wkearney/

22:09:21 [AaronSw-UK]

hmmodd

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[[[

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22:12:17 [sbp]

Well?

22:14:25 [AaronSw-UK]

Well, what?

22:14:26 [AaronSw-UK]

sheesh, i'm getting so much crazy mail while i'm away

22:14:47 [AaronSw-UK]

i'll probably be setting up a spam blocker on vorpal

22:15:35 [AaronSw-UK]

@ http://www.raggedcastle.com/andyjw/blogaccess.htm

22:15:38 [chumpster]

D: Weblog Accessibility from AaronSw-UK

22:16:00 [AaronSw-UK]

D::I hope that our weblog passes these tests.

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commented item D

22:18:52 [sbp]

D::Heh, heh

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commented item D

22:19:01 [sbp]

D::I like """Web Access Initiative recommends in the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (a must read if you care about accessibility)"""

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commented item D

22:19:14 [AaronSw-UK]

Adam L. Beberg on why open source projects exist: "Basicly, geeks need something to do too. Normal people are out drinking, playing sports, watching TV for hours, having sex, raising hellspawn."

22:19:29 [sbp]

D::That's the Web *Accessibility* Initiative. Unless he's marked up "Access" with an <abbr> element? Nope, didn't think so

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commented item D

22:19:34 [AaronSw-UK]

"Geeks really dont do these things. So, geeks rewrite and rerewrite software, over and over and over. Trying to obtain that transcendent piece of code so complex that no other geek can copy it, creating the potential for brief profit. Of course this has never happened."

22:19:51 [sbp]

D::Oh, and this is great: """<FONT FACE="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Style Sheets</B>"""

22:19:52 [chumpster]

commented item D

22:20:05 [AaronSw-UK]

D::lol

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commented item D

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D::But good advice, anyway

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commented item D

22:22:43 [sbp]

I suppose you went to the Marylebone Giraffe?

22:23:07 [AaronSw-UK]

Yep.

22:23:26 [sbp]

How many hits is our what's-its-name getting?

22:23:31 [sbp]

WebLog

22:23:40 [AaronSw-UK]

A::Website coming soon to [Giraffe.net|http://www.giraffe.net/].

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commented item A

22:25:16 [AaronSw-UK]

front page got 40 hits today

22:25:23 [AaronSw-UK]

bbiab

22:25:33 [sbp]

O.K

22:25:38 [sbp]

s/K/K./

22:25:56 [sbp]

I should say "Mmmkay", really, and be done with it

22:26:24 [sbp]

It's debatable as to whether or not "Mmmkay" is easier to spell than "O.K.", though, I accept

22:28:44 [sbp]

@ http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_250

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E: The Straight Dope: What does "OK" stand for? from sbp

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E:|Etymology of "O.K."

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titled item E

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E::There's a surprising about of debate over the topic, but this article is pretty conclusive

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commented item E

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E::cf. [http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/linguist/issues/4/4-694.html|Linguist: Eymology of OK]

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commented item E

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E:|Etymology of O.K.

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titled item E

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E::"""The earliest known citation is from

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the Boston Morning Post of 23 March 1839: " [...] he of the

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Journal, and his train-band, would have the 'contributions box,' et

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ceteras, o.k. -- all correct -- and cause the corks to fly." This

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was a facetious suggestion by a Boston editor that a Providence

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editor (the Journal mentioned was in Providence) sponsor a party.

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commented item E

22:42:31 [sbp]

well, bollocks

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E::the Boston Morning Post of 23 March 1839: " [...] he of the Journal, and his train-band, would have the 'contributions box,' et ceteras, o.k. -- all correct -- and cause the corks to fly." This was a facetious suggestion by a Boston editor that a Providence

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commented item E

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E::editor (the Journal mentioned was in Providence) sponsor a party.""" - [http://www.alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxokxxxx.html|FAQ Excerpt: O.K.]

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commented item E

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E::Also: [http://www.m-w.com/whist/ok.htm|O.K. alright], [http://www.wordorigins.org/wordoro.htm|Wordorigins letter O], [http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/ok_etymology_of.html|O.K., Etymology of]

22:49:02 [chumpster]

commented item E

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E::So, it was coined by the Anti-Bell-Ringing-Society, in Boston, c.1839, and stands for "oll korrect"

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commented item E

22:55:04 [AaronSw-UK]

oll korrect -- heh

22:55:14 [AaronSw-UK]

who would be against bell ringing?

22:56:11 [AaronSw-UK]

sounds like the original acronyms

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22:56:59 [sbp]

I can't find any information about the ABRS

22:59:18 [AaronSw-UK]

'a "frolicsome group," as Read describes them'

23:02:38 [sbp]

Yeah. Well, it's hardly an in-depth insight into their nature and workings, is it?

23:02:41 [sbp]

Ooh: http://www.reportercentral.com/reference/vocabulary/numbernames.html

23:04:22 [AaronSw-UK]

hmm, i don't believe that google is the american name for the gogol

23:04:26 [AaronSw-UK]

err googol

23:04:41 [AaronSw-UK]

he doesn't even include the googolplex

23:04:56 [AaronSw-UK]

oh, there he does

23:05:22 [AaronSw-UK]

"It's a number only a mathematician could love. "

23:05:42 [AaronSw-UK]

he doesn't discuss the new mebibytes tho

23:10:06 [sbp]

neat word:-

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[[[

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gry, n. [L. gry, a trifle; Gr. gry, a grunt]

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1. a measure equal to one-tenth of a line. [Obs.] (Obs. = obsolete)

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2. anything very small. [Rare.]

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]]] - http://einstein.et.tudelft.nl/~arlet/puzzles/sol.cgi/language/english/spelling/gry

23:10:19 [sbp]

from the "-gry" problem

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Heh: """The Monthly Mirror, for example, beat its breast over “the corruptions and barbarisms which are hourly obtaining in the speech of our trans-Atlantic colonies.”

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(Note the word “colonies,” despite the Treaty of Paris.)""" - http://pw1.netcom.com/~rlederer/arcartcl.htm

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"""But our home-grown treasure, Mark Twain, put it all into perspective when he quipped about American English, as compared with British English: “The property has gone into the hands of a joint stock company, and we own the bulk of the shares.”"""

23:21:28 [sbp]

Its an apostrophe catastrophe!

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23:29:12 [sbp]

Hmm... Shakespeare coined "Pedant"?

23:29:24 [sbp]

.google Shakespeare Pedant etymology

23:29:25 [xena]

Shakespeare Pedant etymology: http://pw1.netcom.com/~rlederer/arcwdcr2.htm

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[[[

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ETYMOLOGY: French pédant or Italian pedante (French, from Italian), possibly from Vulgar Latin *paedns, *paedent-, present participle of *paedere, to instruct, probably from Greek paideuein, from pais, paid-, child.

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]]] - http://www.yahooligans.com/reference/dictionary/entries/42/p0144200.html

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23:49:18 [sbp]

* sbp finds some old drafts of the Gettysberg address

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http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/gadd/gadrft.html (from the LOC)