IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-24

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00:01:26 [AaronSw]

sbp, hazmat, tav: what do you think of new text on http://plexdev.org/

00:03:40 [hazmat]

cite http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/s-digsig.html

00:05:27 [AaronSw]

I think he's probably wrong about this specific instancec.

00:05:40 [AaronSw]

Just because URIs are used as identifiers doesn't mean someone can charge.

00:06:11 [hazmat]

the text looks fine, but the bold words are a bit much. overall its looks much better! :)

00:06:20 [AaronSw]

heh, thanks

00:07:59 [sbp]

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00:08:38 [AaronSw]

hazmat, what do you think of the highlighting on http://swag.webns.net/ ?

00:08:54 [sbp]

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00:09:12 [AaronSw]

wb, sbp

00:09:14 [sbp]

* sbp writes an article on Agoraphobia and Liberty

00:09:27 [AaronSw]

sounds interesting

00:09:41 [AaronSw]

what do you think of new text on http://plexdev.org

00:09:54 [sbp]

good text (just read it)

00:09:59 [hazmat]

AaronSw: in that context s.w.n it looks fine, i'm not sure how well the effect transfers but on the other hand this completely subjective.

00:10:15 [AaronSw]

s.w.n?

00:10:23 [hazmat]

swag.webns.net

00:10:24 [sbp]

not sure about the present tense, though

00:10:39 [AaronSw]

hazmat, ah.

00:10:53 [AaronSw]

i think i'll leave it out for now

00:11:02 [hazmat]

* hazmat has been having a few drinks ;)

00:11:08 [AaronSw]

heh

00:14:08 [sbp]

Aaron, what do your folks think about your Schoolyard Subversion stuff?

00:14:29 [AaronSw]

i dunno

00:14:58 [AaronSw]

they seem to like it well enough

00:15:40 [AaronSw]

man, my mouse is really acting up today

00:24:44 [AaronSw]

cool, we validate except for tav's bit now

00:26:25 [AaronSw]

now to check it out in links

00:27:11 [AaronSw]

Wow, looks pretty good. Many props to Links.

00:27:19 [AaronSw]

I wonder if I should leave the "A blue dot" in.

00:28:03 [deltab]

it does look a bit odd :-)

00:28:41 [AaronSw]

gone

00:28:47 [sbp]

use it as a title

00:29:49 [AaronSw]

ok

00:30:02 [AaronSw]

Looks reasonable in lynx too.

00:30:27 [deltab]

no alt text?

00:30:33 [AaronSw]

yeah, fixed that

00:31:20 [deltab]

could it have alt="Home"?

00:32:18 [deltab]

I suppose I should really patch Links to be smarter about links

00:32:40 [AaronSw]

"The Plex Project" is already a link to home, do we need a second?

00:32:56 [deltab]

you already have one

00:33:09 [AaronSw]

Isn't that what I said?

00:33:16 [deltab]

a second link

00:33:29 [AaronSw]

Where's that?

00:33:36 [deltab]

that dot

00:33:44 [AaronSw]

Oh, I meant for Links users.

00:34:06 [deltab]

it's a second link for Links users

00:34:14 [deltab]

Links displays it as [IMG]

00:34:26 [AaronSw]

oh, i see.

00:34:32 [AaronSw]

i was still in lunx

00:34:34 [AaronSw]

err lynx

00:35:15 [AaronSw]

fixed

00:35:29 [AaronSw]

what's the syntax for making a patch?

00:35:34 [AaronSw]

diff -u oldfile newfile ?

00:35:42 [deltab]

yep

00:35:57 [deltab]

if you have multiple files, -urN

00:37:21 [AaronSw]

cool

00:37:31 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw crosses fingers and reinstalls mc

00:37:55 [deltab]

the idea behind Links doing that is that links should always be accessible

00:38:15 [AaronSw]

makes sense

00:38:20 [deltab]

but it's not smart enough to check whether the link is in fact accessible some other way

00:38:38 [deltab]

such as text immediately to the right

00:40:19 [AaronSw]

oops, patched the wrong program

00:42:34 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw crosses fingers and reinstalls _sawfish)

00:43:13 [sbp]

heh: "acl:cryptoCrap"

00:43:24 [sbp]

in http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/acl-pf.n3

00:44:31 [AaronSw]

hee

00:46:40 [sbp]

She sells sea shells on the sea shore. She said "surely, someone will come a shellin', and buy a few shells or more"

00:47:36 [sbp]

which brings me to my point: is there such a word as "shelling"?

00:48:12 [sbp]

Google seems to think so, so I'll presume "yes"

00:48:45 [sbp]

of course, Google could be wrong, but I doubt it

00:49:00 [sbp]

why would Google lie to us? What possible motive would it have?

00:56:27 [AaronSw]

Man, Gnome takes years to compile. I hate to think what Gnome 2 will be like.

00:57:46 [AaronSw]

I think this is my third day of Gnome compilation so far.

01:01:56 [sbp]

day?

01:03:01 [AaronSw]

yeah, as in 24-hour period.

01:03:04 [sbp]

"hour" would have been scary. What are you on? 33MHz?

01:03:10 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

01:03:14 [AaronSw]

see, i told you it took a while

01:03:23 [sbp]

deary me

01:03:50 [AaronSw]

of course a large part of those days were used up waiting for me to answer yes to some prompt or another

01:03:58 [AaronSw]

but still

01:04:15 [sbp]

ugh, who says "deary me" in this day and age? I retract that statement, to a certain extent

01:04:35 [sbp]

Do you like prompts? [Y/N]

01:04:40 [AaronSw]

lol

01:05:55 [sbp]

have you ever tried installing a piece of software on two different machines? But instead of repeating the process, do a mirror install: hammer the Y key on one computer, and the N key on t'other

01:06:10 [AaronSw]

no, can't say i have

01:06:51 [sbp]

tsk, you live in a horridly sane little world, don't you? :-)

01:07:27 [sbp]

* sbp hasn't done it either, he should note. Two different machines?

01:08:03 [sbp]

"Methodology" is an annoying buzzword, isn't? Quite proactive

01:09:43 [sbp]

Heh, I feel a bit like that guy who defeated the French at the Battle Of Cannes. Captain someone? The good old days

01:10:28 [sbp]

Hmm... that was a bit of a Simpsons-inspired quote

01:11:42 [sbp]

Homer: Stealing! How could you? Haven't you learned anything from that guy who gives those sermons at church? Captain what's-his-name?

01:12:34 [sbp]

Pff: and I shouldn't have capitalized "of". What's up with that?

01:13:20 [AaronSw]

wow, I'm getting closer -- only 3 more packages to install

01:14:06 [sbp]

Let's see... at one day per package... that's 3 times however many days per package, isn't it? How many days in package? Oh, I don't have time for this.

01:15:48 [sbp]

[[[

01:15:48 [sbp]

Homer: Hmm, eight dollars a pound times, say, oh, five pounds is,

01:15:49 [sbp]

um, uh, let's see . . . how many pounds in a gallon? [pause]

01:15:49 [sbp]

Oh, I can't afford that! Unless ...

01:15:54 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.snpp.com/episodes/AABF03

01:16:07 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

01:16:27 [AaronSw]

too much simpsons make sbp <something /> <something />

01:16:35 [sbp]

lol

01:17:00 [sbp]

Go crazy? Don't mind if I do

01:17:22 [AaronSw]

Well, these do appear to be the big packages: gnome-applets, gnome-core and gnome-utils.

01:17:34 [AaronSw]

but at least the other 15 or so are done

01:23:34 [AaronSw]

Ooh, figlet!

01:23:36 [AaronSw]

_

01:23:36 [AaronSw]

___| |__ _ __

01:23:36 [AaronSw]

__| '_ \| '_ \

01:23:36 [AaronSw]

\__ \ |_) | |_) |

01:23:36 [AaronSw]

|___/_.__/| .__/

01:23:37 [AaronSw]

|_|

01:23:50 [AaronSw]

oops

01:23:57 [AaronSw]

_

01:23:57 [AaronSw]

___| |__ _ __

01:23:57 [AaronSw]

/ __| '_ \| '_ \

01:23:57 [AaronSw]

\__ \ |_) | |_) |

01:23:57 [AaronSw]

|___/_.__/| .__/

01:23:58 [AaronSw]

|_|

01:24:10 [sbp]

kick-ass

01:24:32 [AaronSw]

it has like 200 fonts

01:25:01 [sbp]

figlet?

01:25:08 [AaronSw]

yeah

01:25:24 [sbp]

that makes me want to giggle in an exispeciferous way

01:25:30 [sbp]

.google exispeciferous

01:25:30 [xena]

exispeciferous: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-24.txt

01:25:38 [sbp]

hooray!

01:25:48 [AaronSw]

exispeciferous!

01:26:18 [sbp]

what a whimsically spangular word

01:26:21 [AaronSw]

___ _____

01:26:21 [AaronSw]

/ | ____ __________ ____ / ___/ __

01:26:21 [AaronSw]

/ /| |/ __ `/ ___/ __ \/ __ \\__ \ | /| / /

01:26:21 [AaronSw]

/ ___ / /_/ / / / /_/ / / / /__/ / |/ |/ /

01:26:21 [AaronSw]

/_/ |_\__,_/_/ \____/_/ /_/____/|__/|__/

01:26:35 [sbp]

heh, cool

01:27:01 [AaronSw]

ooh: curl http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/latest/ | tail -n 10 | figlet

01:27:27 [AaronSw]

err s/latest\//latest/

01:28:10 [AaronSw]

oh that's awesome

01:28:18 [sbp]

can you post the result somewhere?

01:30:27 [AaronSw]

hmm, the linewrapping is wrong

01:30:28 [AaronSw]

__ _ _ ___ __ _ _______ __ _ __ _ _

01:30:28 [AaronSw]

/ \/ (_)_ )/ /(_)__ / __| / / __| |__ _ __\ \ | |_ ___| |_

01:30:28 [AaronSw]

| () | |_ / // _ \_ |_ \__ \ < < (_-< '_ \ '_ \> > | ' \/ -_) ' \

01:30:28 [AaronSw]

\__/|_(_)___\___(_)___/___/ \_\/__/_.__/ .__/_/ |_||_\___|_||_\

01:30:28 [AaronSw]

|_|

01:30:51 [AaronSw]

.google figlet web service

01:30:52 [xena]

figlet web service: http://www.surfplaza.com/figlet

01:35:17 [sbp]

"The requested URL /figlet/figlet.cgi was not found on this server."

01:35:49 [AaronSw]

http://www.schnoggo.com/figlet.html

01:39:42 [sbp]

I feel that I should convert my homepage to figlet

01:40:22 [AaronSw]

aaaaargh!

01:40:30 [AaronSw]

That'll be really annoying to blind people.

01:40:34 [AaronSw]

lol: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/images/writesomedocs.gif

01:43:48 [sbp]

as an alternative, of course

01:43:55 [AaronSw]

Ah.

01:44:06 [AaronSw]

The CD "copy protection" is pretty silly.

01:44:38 [AaronSw]

cf. http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/cd121701.htm

01:44:54 [AaronSw]

Note how Hillary Rosen keeps saying that there's been harm caused, but never says how.

01:45:04 [AaronSw]

Like she's never said that record sales have fallen, because they haven't.

01:45:14 [AaronSw]

I should blog this.

01:45:15 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/cd121701.htm

01:45:20 [chumpster]

A: Universal to release copy-protected CD in U.S. (12/16/2001) from AaronSw

01:46:42 [AaronSw]

A::This "copy protection" is pretty funny. They basically put a number of errors in the CD so that it doesn't work with current CD ripping software. I'm sure the next version of all the software will fix this.

01:46:42 [AaronSw]

A::Note how Hillary Rosen keeps saying that there's been harm caused, but never says how. Like she's never said that record sales have fallen, because I don't think they have.

01:46:43 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:46:45 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:47:40 [sbp]

A::I agree with the point that the drop of in sales figures is probably due to the poor crop of music this year

01:47:41 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:47:58 [sbp]

More of a crock than a crop

01:48:14 [sbp]

A couple of good albums... "Love And Theft", of course

01:48:58 [AaronSw]

A::It is good to see that consumers aren't taking this easily.

01:48:59 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:54:13 [AaronSw]

A::Perhaps if CDs weren't so insanely overpriced they wouldn't have to worry about "15 high school friends from getting together and pooling their money to buy a single music CD and a spindle of blank discs and making dubs for everyone in the group -- with a few extras to sell at school."

01:54:14 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:55:07 [AaronSw]

A::And I can't say I'd shed a tear if consumers are learning they don't have to listen to the same old look-alike bands.

01:55:07 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:56:42 [deltab]

if it just needed software changes, they'd already be done

01:57:03 [AaronSw]

Err, hardware changes.

01:57:03 [deltab]

the error checking is done internally by the drive, I think

01:57:12 [AaronSw]

Yeah.

01:57:30 [AaronSw]

s/software/hardware/ above... my bad

01:57:43 [deltab]

but I'm sure the companies that make regionless dvd players would be happy to make drives with optional error checking

01:58:35 [AaronSw]

Yeah, exactly.

01:59:06 [AaronSw]

And I'm not sure what the dual-session CDs gain them.

02:02:33 [AaronSw]

A::I think the copy protection warning sticker should say "Parental Advisory Warning" on it. ;-)

02:02:34 [chumpster]

commented item A

02:03:35 [AaronSw]

<http://infomesh.net/>: Showing that "soon" is a relative term since Apr 2001/

02:04:39 [AaronSw]

From my underground school magazine contact: "Believe it or not, your piece was pretty popular. I even caught a few kids (one or two anyways) chatting about it at school after I dropped the mag in a few strategic locations."

02:07:12 [AaronSw]

The piece is here: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2000/11/01/

02:07:28 [AaronSw]

Needs some polishing up, IMO.

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02:09:03 [AaronSw]

I'm trying to pick something for the next issue.

02:09:06 [AaronSw]

http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/01/15/ is pretty funny.

02:11:23 [sbp]

Homer: It's funny because it's true

02:11:40 [AaronSw]

Yep.

02:12:04 [AaronSw]

Or I could always take the bad poetry approach: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/03/01/

02:12:29 [AaronSw]

I used English assignments as an opportunity to write schoolyard subversion pieces.

02:13:29 [sbp]

is that first bit meant to be a Haiku? One more syllable | Makes me want to scream out | "Six in the first line!"

02:13:44 [sbp]

s/out/out loud/

02:13:55 [AaronSw]

heh heh

02:14:11 [AaronSw]

I guess you must pronounce millions differently?

02:14:20 [AaronSw]

mill-ee-uns?

02:14:27 [AaronSw]

I say it mill-yuns.

02:14:30 [sbp]

Mill-eeeeeee-ohns

02:14:38 [sbp]

ah, right. You suck; I forgot

02:14:41 [sbp]

:-)

02:14:43 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

02:15:16 [AaronSw]

Ah, I remember how much fun it was to read: '"you suck", "you suck", "you suck", "you suck", you say' with dramatic intonation in front of the class.

02:15:43 [AaronSw]

you SUUUUUUCK

02:16:14 [sbp]

I have trouble pronouncing "s"s. They come out as "f"'s for some reason. Landed me in a heap of trouble

02:16:22 [AaronSw]

lol

02:17:58 [sbp]

Heh, school is rather pitiful

02:18:03 [sbp]

Homer: I haven't learned a thing

02:18:36 [AaronSw]

School is pitiful indeed. It's sort of scary going thru these things.

02:18:58 [sbp]

I remember doing a test once to see if I actually learned anything that day in school. I learned one word in French, and forgot it a few days later

02:19:08 [AaronSw]

Heh

02:19:57 [sbp]

P.E./Gym was the best. I can't imagine anything more pointless. Hmm... Drama was pretty bad

02:20:18 [AaronSw]

Oh, we had a really great drama teacher... for some of the years.

02:20:29 [sbp]

As if running to school and lugging those books around isn't excercise enough

02:20:42 [sbp]

I suppose a good teacher makes all the difference...

02:23:53 [AaronSw]

Ah, I'll probably submit this one: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/06/03/

02:24:03 [AaronSw]

I like the piece I read in frnt of the school.

02:25:54 [sbp]

heh: "Sorry, I wasn't listening, I thought you were talking about India or something and stopped paying attention. What exactly did you say?"

02:26:41 [AaronSw]

yeah, that was pretty funny.

02:27:08 [AaronSw]

man, was that funny

02:29:06 [sbp]

The best thing is when you have a teacher that really doesn't know what they're doing. We had a science teacher that declared the Earth to have the strongest gravity of all the planets in the solar system. Man, did we laugh

02:30:16 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh.

02:30:25 [AaronSw]

I talk about that in here somewhere...

02:30:44 [AaronSw]

Ah, here: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2000/09/24/

02:31:12 [sbp]

In fact, she used to get loads of things wrong. It was a bit worrying. When we confronted her about it, she got a bit defensive, and said "well, I teach according to my opinions, and if they differ from your opinions, then that's tough". I think that was after she was teaching the Steady-State theory of creation...

02:31:47 [AaronSw]

Oh man.

02:32:35 [AaronSw]

The annoying thing is that they get so defensive about it.

02:33:02 [AaronSw]

Like when my math teacher said "that there were an infinite number of points on a line, but a larger infinity of points not on the line."

02:33:26 [AaronSw]

I told him why that was wrong and he said something like "Well, you can look at it either way, you know?"

02:33:32 [sbp]

Yeah. Well, it's their livelyhood on the line. Nevermind hat they stunt the intellectual growth of hundreds of students placed in their care; nevermind the fact that they're frauds pure and simple...

02:35:15 [sbp]

Did you ever have a teacher that would do your work for you, but screw it up? Happened to us in art...

02:35:25 [sbp]

That was in middle school, I believe

02:35:35 [AaronSw]

screw it up?

02:36:41 [sbp]

Yeah. She did it quite often, but as an example: I did a picture of a field, or something. She came along, and said it needed a "defining feature" (focal point), and proceeded to draw a really-out-of-place and totally out-of-scale fence across the landscape, spoiling the work of art

02:37:28 [sbp]

She'd do it to everyone, and we got quite irate about it, eventually

02:39:11 [AaronSw]

lol

02:39:27 [AaronSw]

That's got to be the rudest thing I can imagine an art teacher doing.

02:39:41 [sbp]

absolutely

02:40:07 [AaronSw]

Do you get Malcolm in the Middle in the UK?

02:40:13 [sbp]

We do

02:40:26 [AaronSw]

It's the only show I watch on TV, these days. it's pretty funny.

02:40:48 [sbp]

Hmm... it does get really good reviews. I must confess that I don't really watch it

02:41:01 [sbp]

I really should stop saying really

02:41:26 [AaronSw]

It helps me see what life is like for other people... well, at least how it's portrayed to them.

02:42:01 [AaronSw]

Be sure to watch "The Merchants of Cool" if it's on, too.

02:42:27 [sbp]

what's that?

02:42:37 [AaronSw]

it's a nice documentary by douglas rushkoff

02:42:40 [AaronSw]

.google merchants of cool

02:42:41 [xena]

merchants of cool: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool

02:42:58 [AaronSw]

that's it

02:43:38 [sbp]

Yeah dude, I'm a real cool hipster. Break it down, now

02:44:00 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

02:44:42 [sbp]

It's silly when people categorize "teenagers" into one great big lump. Talk about prejudice...

02:45:04 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I got this great survey in the mail that asked me to say what type of teenager I was.

02:45:15 [AaronSw]

It had like jock / scifi / fantasy / mallhopper, etc.

02:45:16 [sbp]

lol! How did that go?

02:45:21 [sbp]

oh wow, neat

02:45:42 [AaronSw]

There were about 15 or twenty of the most blatant sterotypes, it was really funny.

02:45:54 [sbp]

Oh man, why don't I get these sorts of things? I love questionnaires

02:46:08 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh!

02:46:41 [AaronSw]

I should have saved it.

02:46:54 [sbp]

Yeah, you should have. Well, there's always next time

02:47:42 [sbp]

Someone pointed me to a great Jungian personality evaluation form online, the other day. I want to it, and wanted to answer "maybe" to all of the questions, but it only had "yes" or "no"! Damn thing. I should have alternated all of the way down

02:47:55 [AaronSw]

Heh!

02:47:57 [AaronSw]

The Guardian has a "What kind of teenager are you?" quiz: http://www.guardian.co.uk/quiz/questions/0,5961,352905,00.html

02:48:06 [AaronSw]

'She says our boys "suck" because they try to stick their tongues down her throat within minutes of meeting her. Is this you?'

02:48:25 [sbp]

The forms on that tolerance site were great, too. Questions like "how do you feel about old people? Are they good at stuff?" They may as well have just asked whether you're intolerant or not. It was hardly a test

02:48:34 [AaronSw]

Heh!

02:48:39 [sbp]

heh, cool quiz

02:49:10 [AaronSw]

Lader sounds pretty funny: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_873000/873862.stm

02:49:55 [sbp]

ooh, I love those multiple choice questions. The one that I want to pick is never on the list, and chooing is a bit of a bust

02:52:00 [AaronSw]

That quiz is pretty funny.

02:52:16 [sbp]

and proud of it: Boys in Britain are "anti-social and sulking", says Miss Lader

02:53:18 [sbp]

she must have been set up with some bad people :-)

02:55:17 [AaronSw]

lol! "For example, 60% of Britons are unaware that their country lost the War of Independence which resulted in the formation of the United States."

02:56:37 [sbp]

We lost? Aw, man...

02:56:46 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

02:57:59 [sbp]

Hmph: why haven't I won the Nobel Prize for Literature yet?

02:58:53 [sbp]

Ah, don't worry, I just figured it out...

02:59:07 [sbp]

A, do you think you'll ever win it?

02:59:12 [AaronSw]

Not really.

02:59:16 [AaronSw]

Why haven't you won it?

02:59:22 [AaronSw]

Perhaps you can win it for me.

02:59:36 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/17839/0/7391274/

03:00:01 [sbp]

Well, I figure that I haven't won it because I haven't published any literature *deserving* of a Nobel Prize yet. Of course, I could be wrong

03:00:15 [AaronSw]

A definite possibility.

03:00:23 [chumpster]

B: Geocrawler.com - tristero-china - [Tristero-china] Improved Firewall Evasion from AaronSw

03:00:46 [AaronSw]

B:|Evading Firewalls

03:00:47 [chumpster]

titled item B

03:01:10 [AaronSw]

B::My late-night proposal.

03:01:11 [chumpster]

commented item B

03:02:18 [sbp]

B::A sign of definite 'Plex progression

03:02:19 [chumpster]

commented item B

03:03:25 [sbp]

Where the apostrophe hides the fact that it's really called, "Aaron Swartz's Super-Fantabulous Plex System, Patent pending"

03:03:38 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

03:03:39 [sbp]

Good for what ails ya

03:03:41 [AaronSw]

progression?

03:04:08 [sbp]

yeah, progression. Look up "progress" in a dictionary, and work from there. See how long it takes before you go in a circle

03:04:13 [AaronSw]

heh

03:04:26 [AaronSw]

whoa, it looks like my gnome install is done

03:04:29 [AaronSw]

could it be?

03:04:32 [sbp]

ooh!

03:05:26 [AaronSw]

it is! (except for the games)

03:05:42 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw crosses fingers, launches

03:06:41 [AaronSw]

<sigh /> so close, yet so far away

03:07:26 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Tunnelling thru firewalls without getting burnt.

03:12:32 [AaronSw]

sbp, do you use http://litestep.com/ ?

03:15:00 [sbp]

Do I?

03:16:02 [sbp]

Nope

03:16:53 [sbp]

"If this banner is flashing, then you will not click it, because it infuriates you"

03:17:04 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh. Exactly.

03:17:23 [AaronSw]

LiteStep looks pretty cool

03:17:33 [sbp]

yeah?

03:18:27 [AaronSw]

I was thinking about maybe installing it on the Windows machine we keep around for laughs.

03:19:32 [AaronSw]

Do you think you might install it?

03:20:07 [sbp]

Aw, poor little thing. Did you ever stop to think that you might be hurting its feelings by just keeping it so that you could laugh at it? Do you walk in and just go, "ha, ha, ha! you're a crummy Windows box!"? How mean! It's like breeding a mouse that's blue or something. How utterly unspeakably cruel

03:20:39 [sbp]

No, I won't be installing it

03:21:20 [AaronSw]

why not?

03:21:31 [sbp]

Why should I? What's the point? No way

03:22:02 [sbp]

Anyway, that crappy banner put me off. They should go get some decent company to sponsor them

03:23:16 [AaronSw]

I didn't see the banner.

03:23:22 [AaronSw]

Guess my adblocker must've gotten it.

03:23:57 [sbp]

heh, heh

03:25:36 [sbp]

Do you want me to install it? If so, why?

03:26:08 [sbp]

What does "love" mean to you? [Y/N]

03:27:01 [AaronSw]

Y

03:27:20 [AaronSw]

My family is on a CD-ripping spree. We've used up 4 out of 5GB on the iPod.

03:27:28 [sbp]

lol

03:28:08 [AaronSw]

We'll have to delete the audio-book version of "Harry Potter" that came with it, I think.

03:28:20 [AaronSw]

They want to take all their songs with them on the trip.

03:29:15 [sbp]

Ooh, will I get to meet the iPod?

03:29:46 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I guess you will.

03:29:50 [AaronSw]

And the rest of the family.

03:30:17 [sbp]

* sbp suddently gets excited; somewhat akin to when a small dog hears the postman coming

03:30:23 [AaronSw]

heh!

03:30:28 [AaronSw]

two days till we leave

03:30:33 [sbp]

the rest of the family will meet the iPod?

03:30:52 [sbp]

leave? You haven't even got here yet!

03:30:54 [AaronSw]

No, you will get to meet the iPod and the rest of the family.

03:31:19 [AaronSw]

And beware -- my Mom knows her grammar.

03:31:39 [sbp]

That'd be your Great-Grandmother?

03:32:01 [AaronSw]

Ok, once more and I'm calling the police.

03:32:09 [sbp]

* sbp seems to have switched into incredibly-bad-joke mode for no particular reason

03:32:14 [sbp]

heh, heh

03:33:00 [sbp]

I don't know much about grammar, but I did write a great article on colloquial language forms, which should hold me in good stead

03:34:57 [sbp]

I'm gonna be soooooooo nervous

03:35:05 [AaronSw]

Oh, come on.

03:35:19 [AaronSw]

If you're nervous I'm going to KILL YOU!

03:35:22 [AaronSw]

:-)

03:35:27 [sbp]

Aaaaaaaargh!

03:35:29 [sbp]

:-)

03:35:52 [sbp]

Heh, seriously. I will. You think I'm incoherent now - just wait 'till you meet me

03:36:45 [sbp]

and what's with the double hypen em-dash? If the hyphen has a space either side of it, it's an em-dash. No need for two hyphens

03:37:06 [AaronSw]

Hey, that's how my mother taught me.

03:37:29 [AaronSw]

"Thought Dream" by Country Joe And The Fish is funny.

03:37:47 [sbp]

What's that - a painting?

03:37:58 [sbp]

* sbp is just kidding, BTW

03:38:08 [sbp]

* sbp knows that it's a book

03:38:18 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

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03:52:46 [sbp]

Hi there

03:53:00 [AaronSw]

Hello again.

03:53:05 [sbp]

How are you today? Y'know, I overheard the funniest thing at the supermarket today

03:53:13 [AaronSw]

Really? What was that?

03:53:16 [sbp]

Oh no, wait, I'm thinking of something else

03:53:20 [AaronSw]

Do tell.

03:53:48 [sbp]

I haven't been to a supermarket for months. Dunno where that came from

03:54:36 [sbp]

I was trying to refer to the "gossipy" nature of swhack, but it didn't quite work for me

03:55:02 [sbp]

.: I pretty much screwed that up

03:55:13 [sbp]

Hmm... ".:" bothers me

03:56:13 [sbp]

.'. perhaps

03:56:13 [sbp]

.^.

03:56:34 [sbp]

.·.

03:56:50 [sbp]

...

03:56:55 [sbp]

.·.

03:56:59 [sbp]

.'.

03:57:01 [sbp]

.·.

03:57:03 [sbp]

...

03:57:04 [sbp]

.·.

03:57:14 [sbp]

print out this log, and make a flip-book!

03:57:30 [AaronSw]

heh!

04:06:04 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is doing some heavy firewall-busting chat in #p2p-hackers

04:08:25 [sbp]

* sbp OTOH isn't

04:08:40 [sbp]

the contrasts between us are immense

04:08:48 [AaronSw]

Heh.

04:17:50 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw thinks he better not visit China.

04:21:38 [sbp]

I suppose you want me to ask you why? Well, tough

04:21:55 [sbp]

Why had you better not visit China?

04:23:26 [AaronSw]

Because the firewall busting stuff has applications in China.

04:25:05 [sbp]

Really?

04:25:39 [AaronSw]

Umm, yeah.

04:33:21 [sbp]

if you like, yes

04:33:44 [sbp]

s/,//

04:33:52 [AaronSw]

--

04:33:53 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # What's a "doofus"? I heard it is somewhat akin to an "oaf". What's an "oaf"?

04:33:53 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # It's a sour-tasting loaf.

04:33:54 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # That's "sloaf"

04:33:54 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # OK, so it's a wild loaf.

04:33:54 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # like a wild beep is an Eep.

04:33:55 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # And a wild dipstick is an ipstick?

04:33:57 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # So how does one tell the difference between a wild beep, and a wild meep

04:33:59 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # question mark implies

04:34:01 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # er... implied

04:34:03 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # heh, I'm having problems with the end of my sentence

04:34:05 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # Well a beep is a domesticated eep.

04:34:07 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # And a meep?

04:34:09 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # so a meep is a marauding eep

04:34:11 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # aah

04:34:13 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # Where do eeps roam?

04:34:16 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # Mostly Cupertino, California

04:34:18 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # Is that a hard or a soft "C"?

04:34:21 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # On "California"

04:34:21 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # Kupertino, Kalifornia.

04:34:23 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # thanks

04:34:25 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # we should have logged that. The world deserved it

04:34:27 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> # Should I paste?

04:34:29 [AaronSw]

<sbp> if you like, yes

04:34:31 [AaronSw]

<sbp> # shit

04:34:33 [AaronSw]

<sbp> s/,//

04:34:35 [AaronSw]

--

04:34:38 [sbp]

lol

04:35:01 [sbp]

I was going to beg off by saying that "if you like yes" was the start of some wacky statement

04:35:12 [sbp]

Aaron saved me the trouble

04:36:06 [AaronSw]

so i did

04:36:57 [sbp]

Now that the world has been subjected to our eerpery, what next? Whither #swhack?

04:37:08 [AaronSw]

our job here is done

04:37:08 [sbp]

s/eerpery/eepery/

04:37:15 [AaronSw]

.google "wild eep" history

04:37:15 [sbp]

excellent!

04:37:16 [xena]

"wild eep" history: http://www.personal.u-net.com/~blacksun/cosmic1.htm

04:37:37 [AaronSw]

Neat:

04:37:38 [AaronSw]

[[[

04:37:40 [AaronSw]

The Historical Development of the Meep

04:37:40 [AaronSw]

... is necessary to delve into some contemporary music history when the the Beatles

04:37:40 [AaronSw]

used "meep" in ... the error tone to be a "wild eep" instead of a beep.

04:37:41 [AaronSw]

]]]

04:37:45 [AaronSw]

- Google summary

04:38:24 [AaronSw]

Photos of the wild eep at http://www.macaddict.com/artgallery/eeps3.html

04:39:35 [sbp]

Tsk, and I had hoped that your rant was improvised. I am mildly confused, morphing into a sense of foolishness and disgust

04:39:42 [AaronSw]

heh

04:39:51 [AaronSw]

i quickly set up a number of sites to corroborate my story

04:40:08 [sbp]

A picture of an Eep! Wow, I think I forgive you for finding that

04:41:09 [sbp]

Erm... that's pretty funny: I just got a copy of an email that I sent to someone a couple of days ago

04:41:28 [AaronSw]

heh

04:44:58 [sbp]

That Eep looks like it's just about to crap itself

04:45:06 [sbp]

unless they ingest through the arse-end, in which case it has just eaten

04:47:36 [sbp]

.time

04:47:37 [xena]

2001/12/24 04:49:11.6158 Universal

05:09:53 [AaronSw]

Aaaaah!!!

05:10:01 [AaronSw]

I hit the button hat activates the paperclip guy.

05:10:11 [AaronSw]

Except on my computer it's a really old macintosh with legs

05:10:16 [sbp]

paperclip guy? Heh, heh, heh!

05:10:25 [AaronSw]

phew, he's gone

05:10:38 [AaronSw]

they really need to move the "help" button away from the delete key...

05:10:50 [sbp]

heh, heh

05:11:33 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw listens to the "Chemical Brothers"

05:19:11 [sbp]

Actually, that's quite weird: in the winter-time when it's really cold, I make hats for my buttons too. Coat buttons, that is

05:19:24 [AaronSw]

Fascinating.

05:20:19 [sbp]

Thank you. Making such small hats is quite a skill cum art form

05:20:43 [sbp]

Have you ever tried to make an origami jack-stone thingy?

05:20:54 [AaronSw]

jack-stone?

05:21:09 [sbp]

Think on those terms, but a bit more difficult

05:21:25 [AaronSw]

is that the samarai who turns into the little folding puzzle thingy?

05:21:27 [sbp]

.google jackstone

05:21:28 [xena]

jackstone: http://www.jackstone.com

05:21:35 [sbp]

xena?

05:22:54 [AaronSw]

404

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05:25:01 [sbp]

http://anools-origami.tripod.com/jackston.htm

05:25:38 [AaronSw]

neat. no, can't say i have

05:26:25 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wonders about this Jack Stone.

05:26:42 [AaronSw]

"Meet JACK STONE(TM) a new kind of action hero who shows kids that solving problems is about figuring it out, not fighting it out. A brave, skillful, hero who always builds a way to save the day. "

05:26:49 [AaronSw]

- http://www.lego.com/jackstone/parents/default.asp

05:30:51 [sbp]

* sbp is also set wondering

05:31:40 [sbp]

If a Lego super-hero attacked me, I'd probably just stick it to a building of some kind

05:32:04 [sbp]

Figure that one out, Jack Stone

05:32:12 [AaronSw]

lol

05:34:11 [sbp]

What's a "fly girl"?

05:34:15 [sbp]

.google "fly girl"

05:34:16 [xena]

"fly girl": http://fly-girl.narod.ru

05:34:43 [sbp]

ah, of course: Z??????..*)) ?? ?????? ? ??? ???? ???????????? ?? ??????????? - ??????, ?? ????? ?? ???? Fly (???-???-???) ? ?.?. ?????? ????? ???? ????? ?? ????????? ??????...???..?? ?????? ? ?????...

05:35:07 [AaronSw]

See!

05:35:20 [sbp]

ooh, that came out well. Minus ten points for i18n, IRC

05:36:10 [sbp]

lol: http://fly-girl.narod.ru/fly.gif

05:36:56 [sbp]

well, that gives *some* indication as to the page's content

05:37:06 [sbp]

.google "fly girl" Moe

05:37:07 [xena]

"fly girl" Moe: http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/misc/hip-hop/delight.cb4.txt

05:37:21 [sbp]

.google "fly girl" Moe site:snpp.com

05:37:22 [xena]

"fly girl" Moe site:snpp.com: http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F20.html

05:40:59 [AaronSw]

I'm surprised Freenet has gotten so far with such a sucky system underneath it.

05:42:24 [AaronSw]

I was this close to asking the Freenet guys why their system was so sucky, but Zooko dragged me away to dinner before I got a chance.

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05:55:53 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: The ls are for love.

05:56:56 [AaronSw]

sleep

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16:21:07 [AaronSw]

man, justin mason is just crazy. he's got like a zillion cool projects

16:21:32 [deltab]

* deltab looks around - hmm...

16:21:42 [AaronSw]

what?

16:21:49 [deltab]

:-)

16:22:16 [AaronSw]

are you saying you're justin mason in disguise?!

16:28:45 [deltab]

no

16:40:33 [AaronSw]

.seen tav`

16:40:34 [xena]

tav` seen in #infoAnarchy saying: [ christmas in 20 hours! ] ~ 1 day(s) 1 hr(s) 13 min(s) 34 sec(s) ago

16:50:32 [AaronSw]

.seen tav

16:50:33 [xena]

tav seen in #infoAnarchy saying: [ you might want to read those and any rfcs they refer to ] ~ 3 day(s) 5 hr(s) 51 min(s) 45 sec(s) ago

16:58:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of a project to do on the plane

17:05:17 [wmf]

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17:05:24 [AaronSw]

wes!

17:05:30 [wmf]

AaronSw!

17:05:51 [AaronSw]

how does http://plexdev.org/ look to you?

17:06:05 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw launches omniweb

17:06:10 [wmf]

I didn't find any holiday anarchy in #infoAnarchy so I ambled over here

17:06:23 [AaronSw]

ah

17:06:39 [AaronSw]

probably all to busy blowing up xmas trees and such

17:06:44 [wmf]

ooh

17:07:03 [wmf]

very plexy

17:07:12 [AaronSw]

cool, thanks

17:07:18 [AaronSw]

oww, it even looks decent in omniweb

17:07:22 [AaronSw]

^wow

17:07:50 [wmf]

I've never seen a Manila site using that theme

17:08:03 [AaronSw]

it's his newest, i think

17:08:10 [AaronSw]

ok, well if wmf likes it i can check it off my todo list

17:08:25 [wmf]

heh

17:08:34 [AaronSw]

i'm looking for a programming project to do on the long plane ride

17:08:58 [wmf]

I saw Hackers last night on TV :-(

17:09:21 [AaronSw]

heh, i recall that movie being pretty funny

17:09:41 [wmf]

funny in a really bad sort of way

17:10:09 [wmf]

it was cool to see Penn Jilette in it

17:10:12 [AaronSw]

heh. worse that swordfish or whatever it's called?

17:10:24 [wmf]

yeah, worse than swordfish

17:11:32 [AaronSw]

man, i must have been 9 or ten when i saw it

17:11:32 [AaronSw]

so i wasn't l33t back then

17:11:32 [wmf]

yeah, Angelina Jolie looks young in it

17:11:54 [AaronSw]

that's the one where they keep saying "hack the planet", right?

17:12:14 [wmf]

yeah, in a few places

17:12:41 [wmf]

I wish Bryan Bell would design my site

17:13:20 [AaronSw]

i really like his designs

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18:18:33 [sbp]

Aha. I had always wondered

18:19:26 [sbp]

for Stu: http://sunsite.dk/cgfa/macke/p-macke41.htm

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18:51:03 [AaronSw]

lunch

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20:20:40 [AaronSw]

hi

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20:22:14 [AaronSw]

hey sbp

20:23:01 [sbp]

Hi there

20:23:07 [sbp]

BanServ?

20:23:17 [AaronSw]

yeah, i wonder who that is

20:23:53 [sbp]

Hmm... I wonder

20:24:03 [sbp]

So, what time are tou taking off tomorrow?

20:24:18 [AaronSw]

dunno

20:24:30 [AaronSw]

let's see... we get in at 4 our time, and it's a 7 hour flight

20:24:37 [AaronSw]

plus 1 hour for security

20:24:42 [AaronSw]

and another to get there.

20:25:01 [AaronSw]

so 6AM or something/Z

20:25:28 [sbp]

What day are you planning on coming down?

20:26:27 [AaronSw]

dunno

20:26:33 [AaronSw]

we'll surprise you

20:26:39 [sbp]

heh, heh

20:26:39 [AaronSw]

for maximimum nervousness

20:26:52 [AaronSw]

we could be coming any day! we could be there already!

20:29:27 [AaronSw]

[[[

20:29:31 [AaronSw]

Games are thus the most ancient and time-honored vehicle for education. They are the original educational technology, the natural one, having received the seal of approval of natural selection. We don¹t see mother lions lecturing cubs at the chalkboard; we don¹t see senior lions writing their memoirs for posterity. In light of this, the question, "Can games have educational value?" becomes absurd. It is not games but schools that are the newfangled notio

20:29:33 [AaronSw]

-playing is a vital educational function for any creature capable of learning.

20:29:33 [AaronSw]

]]]

20:29:37 [AaronSw]

- http://www.vancouver.wsu.edu/fac/peabody/game-book/Chapter2.html

20:31:12 [sbp]

Social Lubrication? You can get arrested for that

20:35:55 [AaronSw]

So which should I do on the plane: build the photo metadata thing or port blogspace to Python?

20:37:23 [sbp]

Erm... do a bit of both

20:40:29 [AaronSw]

fine, be that way

20:40:40 [sbp]

Well alright then, I will

21:03:44 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw downloads random thinks that might potentially be useful on his trip

21:23:48 [AaronSw]

lol: http://www.sciencenews.org/20011222/bob18.asp

21:24:12 [AaronSw]

"Brain detectives have tailed consciousness for decades, from swanky prefrontal salons to high-rise occipital condominiums. Whenever researchers thought that they had it cornered, they lost consciousness."

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22:05:01 [GabeW]

hey

22:05:10 [AaronSw]

wb

22:07:09 [GabeW]

dya know about any implementations of the dns-based Urn-resolution stuff (rfc 2168, 2169, et al)

22:07:27 [AaronSw]

i've not really heard of any, no

22:07:50 [GabeW]

hm.

22:07:52 [GabeW]

ok

22:08:01 [GabeW]

would you know if there were?

22:08:27 [AaronSw]

no, but i suspect MikeM would

22:08:32 [AaronSw]

hmm, he's not on

22:08:42 [AaronSw]

.google dns-based urn resolution

22:08:43 [xena]

dns-based urn resolution: http://www.vlc.com.au/~justin/java/urn/file_based_resolver.html

22:08:49 [GabeW]

mikem?

22:09:07 [AaronSw]

michael mealing

22:10:02 [GabeW]

ahh

22:10:06 [GabeW]

he hangs here?

22:10:15 [AaronSw]

he's in #rdfig occasionally

22:10:22 [GabeW]

ah ok

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* GabeW has been avoiding #rdfig recently

22:12:13 [GabeW]

btw, I found this from mikem: http://www.usrlocalsrc.org/URN/download.html

22:12:21 [GabeW]

java URI resolution lib

22:12:22 [GabeW]

hehe

22:13:55 [AaronSw]

Heh, here's his site: http://neonym.net/

22:13:59 [AaronSw]

it's pretty funny

22:14:20 [GabeW]

yeah - I like the part where he has products and services

22:14:51 [AaronSw]

I like product 2 the best: http://neonym.net/prod02.htm

22:15:07 [GabeW]

more demand for product 3 though!

22:17:33 [GabeW]

not much code there.. shoot

22:17:39 [GabeW]

its not rocket science..

22:17:42 [AaronSw]

heh

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but i bet he'd know if any existed.

22:17:57 [AaronSw]

send him an email

22:18:57 [GabeW]

yeah

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done

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merry xmas

23:02:30 [sbp]

Thanks. It's not Christmas yet, but soon :-)

23:02:37 [AaronSw]

so i hear

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Ah, midnight approaches :-)

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waiting for santa (or whomever you call him)? I hear he got stuck in italy having to submit to security strip searches

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