IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-19

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:07 [sbp]
is that Spanish? Should it be disconnecté?
00:00:12 [AaronSw]
heh
00:01:28 [sbp]
.wn prig
00:01:28 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; disconnects
00:01:29 [xena]
prig defined as:
00:01:30 [xena]
- n : a person regarded as arrogant and annoying [syn: {snob}, {snot}]
00:01:38 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; reconnects
00:01:47 [sbp]
get a girp
00:02:01 [AaronSw]
Argh!
00:02:03 [sbp]
hey great, you did it for real
00:02:21 [AaronSw]
it really disconnected.
00:02:27 [sbp]
yeah, I know
00:02:39 [AaronSw]
did it poke you in the nose for me?
00:02:53 [sbp]
[[[
00:02:53 [sbp]
<sbp> is that Spanish? Should it be disconnecté?
00:02:53 [sbp]
<AaronSw> heh
00:02:53 [sbp]
<sbp> .wn prig
00:02:53 [sbp]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; disconnects
00:02:53 [sbp]
<xena> prig defined as:
00:02:55 [sbp]
<xena> - n : a person regarded as arrogant and annoying [syn: {snob}, {snot}]
00:02:57 [sbp]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; reconnects
00:02:59 [sbp]
<sbp> get a girp
00:03:01 [sbp]
]]]
00:03:02 [AaronSw]
cool.
00:03:50 [AaronSw]
lol @ new tag line for http://cocoadevcentral.com/
00:04:00 [sbp]
Homer: I'm just a big toasty cinnamon bun
00:04:06 [AaronSw]
"Serving Cocoa Newbies... And dating your sister."
00:04:36 [sbp]
I deserve a Ti, y'know
00:04:55 [AaronSw]
I'll try and remember to buy one before I get on the plane. Pick it up at the ariport.
00:05:06 [AaronSw]
I don't understand why people put banner ads on sites when they don't even get paid for it!
00:05:19 [sbp]
looks good; and it's not at all annoying
00:05:20 [AaronSw]
"Hey look, I'm annoying you just to be annoying. Unlike most people."
00:06:03 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh: "A Better Finder tools are used in the production of blockbuster special effects, the creation and maintenance of countless Macintosh websites and the publishing of a many print publications."
00:06:50 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; disconnects
00:08:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; reconnects
00:09:15 [AaronSw]
aaargh
00:09:40 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
00:11:06 [sbp]
cold where you are, Aaron?
00:11:13 [AaronSw]
i already told you
00:11:21 [sbp]
didst thou?
00:11:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; disconnects
00:12:00 [sbp]
heh, heh. Oh, I love that message. I'm sure I won't get sick of it after a few hundreds goes
00:13:45 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; reconnects
00:14:01 [AaronSw]
feel my pain
00:14:22 [AaronSw]
now i get like 500 messages like this:
00:14:26 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [23:58] You disconnected
00:14:26 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [23:58] You connected
00:14:26 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [00:03] You disconnected
00:14:26 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [00:03] You connected
00:14:27 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [00:08] You disconnected
00:14:27 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [00:10] You connected
00:14:30 [AaronSw]
<dircproxy> Notice: [00:13] You disconnected
00:14:31 [AaronSw]
no duh!
00:14:33 [AaronSw]
sheesh
00:15:02 [sbp]
wow, I have a better connection than you
00:15:13 [AaronSw]
i can always break out the 56k
00:15:17 [AaronSw]
don't make me do it...
00:15:35 [AaronSw]
hmmph, no, it's too difficult
00:16:33 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; disconnects
00:16:47 [sbp]
lol
00:17:29 [sbp]
his little mice are packing up for a holiday, or something
00:17:37 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes sbp in the nose; reconnects
00:17:58 [sbp]
wb
00:19:28 [AaronSw]
ty
00:19:38 [AaronSw]
iwtktspwdmik
00:20:25 [sbp]
wtfaytan?
00:20:41 [sbp]
I want to kick this stupid...
00:22:43 [AaronSw]
i want to kill the stupid people who destroyed my internet konnection
00:23:08 [sbp]
aha. The konnection bit foxed me
00:24:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wanders off due to family crisis
00:24:33 [sbp]
eek
00:24:51 [AaronSw]
I think they're just fooling me
00:25:03 [AaronSw]
bb
00:25:10 [sbp]
iab?
00:26:09 [sbp]
.google iwtktspwdmik
00:26:10 [xena]
no results found.
00:28:36 [sbp]
I wonder if I could grep the logs, split by word, filter out stuff containing "_" etc., and then add to a list to find out how large our respective #swhack vocabularies are?
00:29:56 [AaronSw]
heh they were fooling me
00:30:05 [AaronSw]
let's see how many times i disconnected while i was gone
00:31:09 [AaronSw]
sbp, http://www.metaweb.co.uk/vocab/vocab.htm
00:32:48 [AaronSw]
aargh
00:32:51 [sbp]
mega kick-arse giggly
00:33:08 [sbp]
my vocabulary is so... good
00:33:16 [AaronSw]
stop disconnecting...
00:34:43 [sbp]
So, I suppose I'd better download it and run it over the #swhack logs? How would one go about creating a gigantic feck-arse diddling spiffingly enourmous monstrous concatenated super-file from all of the current #swhack loglets?
00:35:08 [AaronSw]
by asking me, i suppose
00:35:11 [AaronSw]
wait -- here's a python version
00:35:35 [AaronSw]
http://sourceforge.net/projects/saxogram/
00:36:35 [sbp]
ekskwisit (wil it notis spellling erors?)
00:37:41 [AaronSw]
heh
00:37:50 [sbp]
Mi tiping is so bahd, tis most random when get wros to osef iohsf speg lsirgjsperog psorjg
00:38:24 [AaronSw]
he's trying to boost his stats!
00:38:50 [sbp]
will it filter psorjg? It's a "real" word, I tells ya!
00:39:06 [rillian]
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00:39:08 [sbp]
heh, heh, we've been talking a lot about false plurals
00:40:27 [sbp]
rillian, you invariable court habouring labour of pansies, elderberries, and fabled roast-wine!
00:40:54 [sbp]
ooh, ooh, hyphenated-words!
00:41:25 [sbp]
2.07MB for Saxogram?
00:41:37 [sbp]
what a rip-off. This had better be good
00:41:57 [sbp]
(then again, it's free. It's in Python. What more do I want?)
00:42:29 [AaronSw]
it's not right
00:43:00 [sbp]
what's not right? The hoo-ha over the vernal equinox?
00:43:11 [AaronSw]
heh
00:43:19 [AaronSw]
i'm writing my own vocab extractor
00:43:22 [AaronSw]
just a sec
00:43:56 [sbp]
Dew droplets' love going unrequited in favor of some ghostly ontological falcon?
00:44:06 [AaronSw]
stop it!
00:44:13 [AaronSw]
cheating cheating cheating
00:44:21 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
00:44:45 [sbp]
logster, grep sbp.*cheating
00:45:21 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'sbp.*cheating'
00:45:22 [logster]
0) 2001-12-19 00:44:45 <sbp> logster, grep sbp.*cheating
00:45:23 [logster]
1) 2001-12-01 02:30:21 <sbp> ah... that's cheating
00:45:24 [logster]
2) 2001-10-14 01:22:36 <sbp> * sbp is doing m*ch * cheating
00:45:25 [logster]
3) 2001-10-13 00:21:29 <sbp> * sbp wonders if the apostrophe's are cheating... I think that it's O.K. if they're well known abbreviations
00:48:13 [rillian]
hi sbp. happy holidays to you, too
00:48:50 [sbp]
damn, I had hoped that "cheating" would be an ostensible accession to my vocabulary list. Alas, this belief was proven erroneous
00:49:04 [sbp]
np, rillian
00:50:33 [rillian]
sbp: so, know anything about living in the East End?
00:50:43 [sbp]
and many hearty felicitations over the festive season to you
00:50:58 [sbp]
East End? Er... of what?
00:51:02 [rillian]
the Queen Mary U of London's website refers to 'kaliedoscopic cultures' and 'extreme diversity'
00:51:05 [AaronSw]
London, I presume.
00:51:17 [AaronSw]
brb
00:51:17 [AaronSw]
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00:51:27 [rillian]
but I can't tell if that means 'yuppification' or 'poor people of all ethnicities share the roaches'
00:51:41 [sbp]
it does? that's nice for it. I'm not too sure how that relates to me, though...
00:51:55 [rillian]
Aaron claimed you were a UKer
00:51:56 [sbp]
ah, I see...
00:52:09 [rillian]
thought you might have heard more about it than I had :)
00:52:44 [sbp]
Erm... it's probably an immutable selection from both columns
00:53:22 [AaronSw]
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00:53:30 [AaronSw]
gjklgioklgklg
00:53:54 [AaronSw]
.seen sbp 2
00:53:55 [xena]
sbp seen in #rdfig saying: [ great ] ~ 36 sec(s) ago
00:54:27 [rillian]
sbp: indeed
00:54:32 [rillian]
where in .uk are you?
00:55:27 [sbp]
I don't live in .uk; my personal domain is .net. My ISP is .com
00:55:38 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:55:42 [AaronSw]
sbp lives near Brighton.
00:56:00 [sbp]
ooh, you little fecker
00:56:05 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has been practicing drawing lines in the air to simulate Britain before his trip
00:56:15 [AaronSw]
anyone can do a whois infomesh.net, you know
00:56:23 [AaronSw]
trying to ruin my reputation, eh?
00:56:31 [sbp]
At least I don't live near Chicago. Well, I could watch the Cubs, I suppose
00:56:40 [sbp]
yeah, likewise with aaronsw.com, I suppose
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* sbp tries fwhois... soooo slow
00:58:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw curses his connection again
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00:58:55 [sbp]
the best bit is how you're listed under two different addresses
00:59:01 [sbp]
s/Monitors/Houses/
00:59:01 [AaronSw]
heh
00:59:08 [AaronSw]
heh heh
00:59:12 [sbp]
:-)
00:59:23 [AaronSw]
There are three of them really.
01:00:19 [AaronSw]
deltab, how's the East End
01:00:21 [AaronSw]
?
01:00:25 [AaronSw]
.google east end epinions
01:00:26 [xena]
east end epinions: http://www.epinions.com/trvl-review-494F-10269E1E-38BA952C-prod5
01:01:00 [sbp]
stereotomy? sounds like a nasty procedure
01:01:19 [AaronSw]
sorta sad how epinions tells me to buy the Vietnam Veterans Memorial at Priceline.com
01:01:43 [sbp]
Hmm... yes, it is a bit
01:02:09 [sbp]
@ http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/mismods.htm
01:02:26 [AaronSw]
aaargh
01:02:27 [AaronSw]
sorta sad how epinions tells me to buy the Vietnam Veterans Memorial at Priceline.com
01:02:33 [sbp]
Hmm... yes, it is a bit
01:03:27 [chumpster]
A: http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/mismods.htm from sbp
01:03:36 [AaronSw]
wait a sec
01:03:51 [AaronSw]
what are you doing to poor chumpster?
01:04:16 [sbp]
A:|Misplaced Modifiers
01:04:22 [chumpster]
titled item A
01:04:38 [sbp]
A::"""[...] New Scientist magazine had referred to a Health and Safety information sheet on bouncy castles with the title inflatable children's play equipment."""
01:04:39 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:06:17 [AaronSw]
that took me a while to get
01:06:59 [AaronSw]
this connection is insane
01:09:53 [AaronSw]
I look like I'm insane after reading the logs.
01:10:05 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
01:10:11 [Morbus]
fair assessment, then.
01:12:04 [Morbus]
any ui nut in here?
01:12:18 [Morbus]
if i have a right aligned table, should the contents of the table, being a list, be left aligned? or right aligned?
01:12:29 [Morbus]
or centered?
01:12:55 [sbp]
why don't you choose whichever you prefer?
01:13:08 [Morbus]
well, the left aligned looks funny to me, when its a small list.
01:13:14 [Morbus]
or small width list.
01:13:18 [Morbus]
http://www.gamegrene.com/game_material/the_rosebaon_part_1.shtml
01:13:24 [AaronSw]
lol: One example was sadly topical. Following the anthrax attacks in the US, Don Paterson found that the San Mateo County Times' online edition had the headline: County workers to get suspicious mail training. As he said, "It's a shame they couldn't afford a reputable training programme".
01:13:45 [sbp]
yeah, it's a good article...
01:13:57 [AaronSw]
You shouldn't right-alighn a table.
01:14:08 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
01:14:08 [sbp]
[[[
01:14:08 [sbp]
<fraggle> (ildb) run
01:14:08 [sbp]
<fraggle> Undefined command: "run". Try "help".
01:14:08 [sbp]
<fraggle> (ildb) help
01:14:08 [sbp]
<fraggle> Undefined command: "help". Try "help".
01:14:10 [sbp]
]]]
01:14:15 [Morbus]
aaron, look at the url
01:14:16 [AaronSw]
What table are we talking here?
01:14:23 [Morbus]
the "other articles"
01:14:34 [AaronSw]
you can't tell it's right-aligned
01:14:42 [Morbus]
no, the position of the table is right aligned.
01:14:48 [Morbus]
but what should the content of the table be/
01:14:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw annoys poor fraggle
01:15:54 [AaronSw]
[[[
01:15:58 [AaronSw]
<fraggle> ?
01:15:58 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Undefined command: "?". Try "help".
01:15:58 [AaronSw]
<fraggle> heh
01:15:59 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Undefined command: "heh". Try "help".
01:15:59 [AaronSw]
]]]
01:16:00 [Morbus]
see, on this page it looks fine: http://www.gamegrene.com/game_material/fantasy_films_10101_1980s_hawk_the_slayer.shtml
01:16:08 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
01:16:13 [Morbus]
but the other page, it doesn't look good.
01:16:25 [Morbus]
what are your thoughts?
01:16:50 [sbp]
I was just wondering if you had any page on Buffy. Hawk the slayer? Pff!
01:16:56 [sbp]
s/page/pages/
01:17:20 [Morbus]
sbp: http://www.gamegrene.com/reviews/buffy_the_vampire_slayer_the_boardgame.shtml
01:17:27 [Morbus]
now, answer my damn question ;)
01:17:28 [sbp]
I thank you
01:17:37 [sbp]
what is it you're asking?
01:17:47 [AaronSw]
bullets, they need bullets.
01:18:06 [Morbus]
in this case, i opted out of bullets, since by themselves they are a list.
01:18:23 [Morbus]
i'm asking if the contents of the "other articles" table should be right aligned, or what do you think?
01:18:32 [Morbus]
on some series, like the hawk the slayer, it looks good.
01:18:38 [Morbus]
on the rosebaon thing, it doesnt
01:19:00 [AaronSw]
bullets, they need bullets.
01:19:11 [Morbus]
don't blame that on your connection, you luser; )
01:19:15 [AaronSw]
heh heh
01:19:26 [sbp]
Morbus: Bullets, they certainly need bullets
01:19:42 [AaronSw]
perhaps you should set a minimum width on the box
01:19:43 [Morbus]
seriously? what about the orientation?
01:19:53 [sbp]
upside down bullets
01:20:01 [AaronSw]
oh wait, it's a table
01:20:06 [AaronSw]
because your a table building LOSER!
01:20:08 [AaronSw]
you FREAK!
01:20:08 [Morbus]
AaronSw, the width, is either the size of the strong, or the size of the largest entry.
01:20:10 [Morbus]
heh.
01:20:15 [sbp]
it's a list in a table, isn't it?
01:20:21 [Morbus]
yes, sbp
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
a LIST in a TABLE!
01:20:31 [AaronSw]
but it's not even a real list. oh, no
01:20:42 [AaronSw]
it's a fake string of things separated by <br/>!
01:20:45 [Morbus]
where the hell is my contact at att. i got this guy who's trying to uh... hack in to my box. yeah ;)
01:20:45 [sbp]
oh dear, it's not
01:21:01 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
01:21:05 [sbp]
[sound of suck-o-meter going off the end of the scale]
01:21:15 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:21:27 [Morbus]
so annnnywayyys. you definitely want bullets?
01:21:31 [Morbus]
what's the entity for that?
01:21:39 [sbp]
* sbp sobs
01:21:54 [Morbus]
i hate to be a prick, but i'm kinda in a rush <g>
01:22:51 [AaronSw]
gmphrgmblrg
01:23:20 [Morbus]
so. if i throw in bullets, then they'd definitely have to be left aligned.
01:23:28 [Morbus]
so, AaronSw, you seriously want bullets?
01:23:44 [AaronSw]
well... i think bullets would work if you made the list smaller.
01:23:46 [sbp]
bullets are style thingies. Not part of the structure itself. If you want them, you're going to have to have proper code, which means <ul> usually, or possibly weirdly styled <div>. Make that <ul>, then
01:23:49 [AaronSw]
like on tidbits
01:24:07 [Morbus]
no, i won't make it ul, because that'll throw an indent in the table, which i don't want.
01:24:17 [Morbus]
and css controlling of that indent is now good enough for all the browsers i'm targeting.
01:24:28 [Morbus]
not good enough, rather
01:24:32 [AaronSw]
Fine, don't put in the bullets.
01:24:36 [AaronSw]
just use smaller text, like tidbits
01:24:40 [AaronSw]
and be a LOOOOSER.
01:24:46 [Morbus]
heh, heh, heh.
01:24:52 [Morbus]
i hate this fucking room.
01:25:02 [AaronSw]
a LOOOOSER, you hear?
01:25:03 [AaronSw]
it's middot
01:25:08 [AaronSw]
&middot;
01:25:08 [Morbus]
why am i a loser? cos i wont use float?
01:25:21 [sbp]
middot is not a bullet. It's a middot
01:25:29 [Morbus]
heh, it's good enough!
01:26:09 [Morbus]
ok.
01:26:16 [Morbus]
i threw bullets in: http://www.gamegrene.com/game_material/the_rosebaon_part_1.shtml
01:26:22 [Morbus]
or rather, a middot.
01:26:23 [AaronSw]
@ http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06669
01:26:25 [Morbus]
and that looks better.
01:26:33 [chumpster]
B: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06669 from AaronSw
01:27:14 [AaronSw]
B::"Intellectual property may, in a few years, sound as strange to the ears as 'reasonable attorney fees', 'low tar cigarettes', and 'Zero Administration Windows' do today."
01:27:15 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:28:25 [Morbus]
ok. that middot thing came out decent.
01:28:25 [Morbus]
thanks.
01:29:12 [AaronSw]
sure
01:29:19 [AaronSw]
now i can go back to taunting you
01:29:25 [Morbus]
yes :)
01:30:15 [AaronSw]
B::"Bits are virtual; atoms are real. The rule of thumb is that if you can't kick it, you can't sue it."
01:30:16 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:30:46 [sbp]
B::What are "adult materials"?
01:30:47 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:31:18 [AaronSw]
Really old paper.
01:31:25 [Morbus]
heh!
01:31:56 [AaronSw]
When it gets all yellow and stuff.
01:31:58 [AaronSw]
grr, connection
01:34:34 [Morbus]
hey, sbp, you know where AaronSw went?
01:34:42 [AaronSw]
no, where?
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01:36:59 [Morbus]
great. he's gone too. sigh.
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01:37:06 [Morbus]
oop, there he is.
01:37:11 [Morbus]
hey, do you know where AaronSw went?
01:37:16 [Morbus]
did his connection flake out on him?
01:37:18 [AaronSw]
no, where?
01:37:32 [AaronSw]
i think it must have
01:37:54 [sbp]
yeah, I think he vanished again
01:38:04 [Morbus]
sigh. he really should break out the modem.
01:38:10 [Morbus]
he's too stuck on his widdle cable connction though
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01:38:23 [sbp]
heh, heh. At least those stupid messages aren't coming up again
01:38:36 [sbp]
erm...
01:38:38 [sbp]
* sbp waves
01:38:39 [Morbus]
oh yeah. flipping repeating bastard.
01:39:22 [sbp]
did you want him for anything in particular?
01:39:45 [Morbus]
was gonna ask him some crap about python. i may blurb about it for a bit in an osx article.
01:39:53 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw blurbs
01:40:06 [AaronSw]
just wanted to verb another noun.
01:40:15 [AaronSw]
err make fun of people who verb nouns.
01:41:22 [sbp]
Hmm... steal this essay is rather good
01:41:47 [sbp]
Python: yeah, he laughed quite a bit at the comment that the person made on your article :-)
01:42:10 [Morbus]
heh, heh. i bet he did. :)
01:42:23 [Morbus]
the funny thing is, there are a lot of comments on those articles concerning stuff that has nothing to do with apache.
01:42:31 [Morbus]
like how to get sendmail and postgres working together.
01:42:38 [Morbus]
why you'd have to MDA's is beyond me.
01:42:44 [Morbus]
s/to/two/
01:42:54 [sbp]
yeah, well, I think people have a question, and they simply comment on the first article that they find
01:43:05 [sbp]
at least it means that your article has good exposure
01:43:16 [deltab]
Morbus: postgres is a dbms
01:43:19 [sbp]
always a good thing :-)
01:43:23 [deltab]
ah, you mean postfix
01:43:24 [AaronSw]
hmmph, it disconnected again
01:43:28 [Morbus]
uh, i meant... yeah, that one.
01:43:47 [Morbus]
i always forget that deltab is around, ready to swoop down and poop on my head <G>
01:44:11 [deltab]
ew
01:44:36 [Morbus]
like an omnipotent bat.
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01:49:32 [sbp]
B::From the [http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06604|first] in the series: "Unless otherwise noted, this article is copyright 2001 Dan Kohn". I wonder if the fact that the essay start with the words "Steal this essay" constitutes "otherwise noted"?
01:49:34 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:49:44 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
01:51:20 [sbp]
I should have said "falls under the category of". Too late to refactor
01:51:37 [Morbus]
if AaronSw were around, he could probably fix that.
01:51:47 [Morbus]
i'm surprised its been this long. they must've really screwed up.
01:51:51 [AaronSw]
ok, ok, i got out the 56k modem~
01:52:01 [AaronSw]
brb while i connect.
01:52:58 [AaronSw]
ok, i'm back
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01:56:14 [sbp]
@ http://www.saqqara.demon.co.uk/datefmt.htm
01:56:17 [chumpster]
C: International Date Format Campaign from sbp
01:57:57 [sbp]
I wonder if ISO standards are available anyplace?
01:58:15 [AaronSw]
Kimbro Staken: "Mac OS X is the Death of Linux on the Desktop"
01:58:17 [AaronSw]
- http://www.xmldatabases.org/index.php?wl_topic=3
02:03:38 [Morbus]
heh, heh!
02:03:47 [Morbus]
check it out: "There's a real problem brewing for Linux and its quest for desktop legitimacy, the engineer community is abandoning it left and right for Mac OS X"
02:03:53 [Morbus]
http://www.xmldatabases.org/index.php?wl_topic=3
02:03:57 [Morbus]
my boss is gonna hate that.
02:05:18 [sbp]
So, you
02:05:26 [sbp]
youdle, youdle
02:05:33 [sbp]
you're saying that I should get Mac OS X?
02:05:38 [Morbus]
yeah, i love os x.
02:05:40 [AaronSw]
yeah
02:05:45 [sbp]
Make me
02:05:48 [Morbus]
on the whole "Steal this" thread you were talking about sbp, http://www.gamegrene.com/news/steal_this_gamebook.shtml
02:06:01 [Morbus]
i'm just going through each page with the MT conversion
02:06:07 [sbp]
Oh, for Mac OS X
02:06:18 [AaronSw]
Morbus, you're using the SHT markup language?
02:06:53 [sbp]
"solitaire gamebook"? Well now I've heard it all
02:07:07 [sbp]
who needs a ring when you can have a gamebook!
02:07:09 [Morbus]
heh, heh. there are a bunch of things like that. its like a c hoose your own adventure
02:08:47 [AaronSw]
bbl
02:16:48 [sbp]
zing...
02:16:55 [Morbus]
zingerS?
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02:18:54 [sbp]
* sbp waves
02:19:00 [Morbus]
hey there.
02:19:53 [em-lap]
* em-lap waves to all
02:20:19 [finejung]
Hello people.
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02:21:18 [sbp]
wb rillian
02:23:03 [Morbus]
kickass!
02:23:09 [Morbus]
skotos is gonna continue advertising on gamegrene.com
02:23:11 [Morbus]
whoooo!
02:30:47 [Morbus]
heh, heh: http://www.gamegrene.com/news/gamegrene_purchased_by_microsoft.shtml
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02:32:31 [sbp]
'tis pretty funny
02:33:22 [sbp]
ugh, information gets everywhere: in your socks, down your trousers
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02:48:34 [AaronSw]
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,49201,00.html is insane.
02:50:04 [sbp]
it's rather silly. Seems oblivious to a lot of things
02:50:51 [rillian]
hmm. ever heard of 'grid computing'?
02:53:57 [AaronSw]
rillian, sure, why?
02:59:16 [sbp]
Aaron, do you think that Plex will ever be subject to a legal attack? Is it just another huge file sharing thing?
02:59:35 [AaronSw]
Well, that's one of the benefits of using SHA.
02:59:42 [AaronSw]
We can separate off the SHA net and get that sued.
02:59:59 [AaronSw]
But even so, a completely decentralize system like that is just not reasonable to sue.
03:00:16 [AaronSw]
And I have no money, tav has no money, so there's really no point in suing us.
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03:01:22 [cooler]
hail
03:01:38 [sbp]
so "possibly" and "yes" would be your answers?
03:01:51 [sbp]
hail? No, I think it's clear outside. Hasn't even been raining
03:02:32 [cooler]
hmm
03:02:35 [cooler]
cheers
03:02:37 [rillian]
AaronSw: just curious what they mean by it
03:02:42 [sbp]
np
03:03:00 [AaronSw]
.google global grid forum
03:03:01 [xena]
global grid forum: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.gridforum.org/&e=747
03:03:09 [rillian]
(said job offer is a postdoc position doing something undefined with grid computing)
03:03:18 [sbp]
Al does a lot of work with them...
03:03:32 [rillian]
Al?
03:03:34 [sbp]
what is up with xena's output? She keeps screwing up
03:03:37 [sbp]
Al Gilman
03:03:46 [AaronSw]
"""Wide-area distributed computing, or "grid" technologies, provide the foundation to a number of large-scale efforts utilizing the global Internet to build distributed computing and communications infrastructures. As common Grid services and interoperable components emerge, the difficulty in undertaking these large-scale efforts will be greatly reduced and, as importantly, the resulting systems will better support interoperation."""
03:03:51 [AaronSw]
What are you talking about, sbp?
03:03:56 [rillian]
* rillian doesn't know who that is
03:03:57 [AaronSw]
It's a relative link from google.com.
03:04:21 [sbp]
er.... I just want the result, not the whole load of other crap
03:04:30 [AaronSw]
well tell google to stop monitoring us
03:04:36 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:04:51 [rillian]
AaronSw: well, I got that much. but they keep talking about doing distributed supercomputing, and I don't see how they expect that to work in anything but the long term
03:04:59 [rillian]
I mean, architectures vary so much
03:05:10 [AaronSw]
Why does that matter?
03:05:10 [sbp]
but RPC is pretty solidly defined
03:05:10 [rillian]
you really have to hand-tune your code to the latency between parallel nodes
03:05:48 [rillian]
so how can you have a 'middleware' interface take care of resource aggregation for a large computational job like that?
03:05:52 [AaronSw]
Well, there are projects that are better for it than others...
03:06:02 [AaronSw]
SETI@Home, DES cracking
03:06:03 [rillian]
we're just starting to figure out how to do that with file storage
03:06:06 [AaronSw]
OGR calculation...
03:06:19 [rillian]
AaronSw: right, those are all 'embarrasingly parallel' applications
03:06:23 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
03:06:50 [AaronSw]
Well, if everyone builds apps on top of stuff like Linda...
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03:07:01 [rillian]
doesn't help with trying to get a 100-million atom simulation going
03:07:55 [rillian]
AaronSw: yes, having a nice toolkit like Cosm (or I guess Linda) is a good first step
03:08:03 [AaronSw]
Yeah, Cosm is cool.
03:08:12 [AaronSw]
I want to do stuff like Cosm over the Plex, actually.
03:08:22 [rillian]
and there's lots that we can do now with brokerage and scheduling and so on
03:08:48 [rillian]
maybe the 'immersive vr' stuff is just pie-in-the-sky
03:09:01 [rillian]
the Plex?
03:09:22 [AaronSw]
The Plex is my project to build a decentralized network for metadata distribution and query.
03:09:38 [AaronSw]
basically it's like tuplespaces for the internet
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03:11:38 [exspecto]
yes it does
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03:13:26 [rillian]
AaronSw: nifty
03:13:38 [AaronSw]
thanks
03:13:44 [rillian]
sounds a bit like Linda, actually
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03:14:00 [AaronSw]
Yeah, but I don't think Linda scales very well...
03:14:01 [rillian]
which seems to just be a 'virtual shared memory' implementation
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03:14:13 [AaronSw]
Where did exspecto come from?
03:14:30 [sbp]
I just wondered that
03:14:33 [sbp]
and cooler
03:15:41 [AaronSw]
what is that?
03:15:48 [rillian]
yes, I've not been able to find anything about Linda's actual implementation
03:16:05 [rillian]
AaronSw: do you have a design for Plex?
03:16:05 [AaronSw]
There are some folks who appear to be selling it for Linux and Mac OS X.
03:16:12 [rillian]
*nod*
03:16:17 [AaronSw]
Yes, something of one.
03:18:02 [AaronSw]
Chord is a decentralized hash table with nice scaling properties.
03:18:19 [rillian]
raph was going on about chord this summer
03:18:20 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> the problem is our two lead designers have disappeared.
03:18:22 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> the key thing i need right now is a chord implementation.
03:18:24 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Chord is a decentralized hash table with nice scaling properties.
03:18:33 [rillian]
but I dont' think I read the paper
03:18:52 [AaronSw]
He was, eh? I
03:18:57 [rillian]
AaronSw: so it's based on chord?
03:18:58 [AaronSw]
i'll have to look that up
03:19:05 [AaronSw]
Yeah, somewhat loosely.
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03:19:14 [rillian]
too bad he's not around
03:19:27 [rillian]
I think he's trying to swear off that project though :)
03:19:36 [AaronSw]
is he on irc?
03:20:00 [rillian]
sometimes
03:20:20 [AaronSw]
neat
03:20:27 [AaronSw]
Was this bit about Chord in his advogato diary?
03:20:41 [rillian]
I think it was an irc conversation, sorry
03:20:56 [rillian]
he's thought a lot about these things, though
03:21:07 [rillian]
nickserv says he's not been around since friday
03:21:18 [rillian]
raph@acm.org if you want to pester him about it
03:21:28 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I've seen some of his posts to the p2p lists -- they're very insightful.
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03:29:14 [sbp]
and off they go
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03:30:35 [sbp]
well, this is great fun. Huge netsplits
03:30:44 [AaronSw]
heh
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03:35:54 [sbp]
.wn Perl
03:36:10 [sbp]
ah, the word Perl does not exist
03:36:13 [sbp]
.wn Python
03:36:14 [xena]
python defined as:
03:36:15 [xena]
- n 1: large Old World boas
03:36:16 [xena]
- 2: (Greek mythology) dragon killed by Apollo at Delphi [syn: {Python}]
03:36:26 [AaronSw]
I think you mean Pearl.
03:36:27 [AaronSw]
:)
03:36:28 [sbp]
Python does, but does not have a correct definition
03:36:37 [sbp]
.wn Java
03:36:39 [xena]
Java defined as:
03:36:39 [xena]
- n 1: an island in Indonesia S of Borneo; one of the world's most densely populated regions [syn: {Java}]
03:36:40 [xena]
- 2: a beverage consisting of an infusion of ground coffee beans; "he ordered a cup of coffee" [syn: {coffee}]
03:36:41 [xena]
- 3: a simple platform-independent object-oriented programming language used for writing applets that are downloaded from the World Wide Web by a client and run on the client's machine [syn: {Java}]
03:36:49 [sbp]
aaaaargh!
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03:37:16 [sbp]
.wn C++
03:37:16 [xena]
c defined as:
03:37:18 [xena]
- adj 1: of a temperature scale that registers the freezing point of
03:37:19 [xena]
- water as 0 degrees C and the boiling point as 100 degrees C under normal atmospheric pressure [syn: {celsius}, {centigrade}] [ant: {fahrenheit}]
03:37:19 [xena]
- 2: being ten more than ninety [syn: {hundred}, {a hundred}, {one hundred}, {100}]
03:37:20 [xena]
- n 1: a degree on the Centigrade scale of temperature [syn: {degree Centigrade}, {degree Celsius}, {C}]
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03:37:49 [sbp]
Is wn affiliated with Java or something?
03:40:03 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
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03:47:54 [AaronSw]
Interesting: http://www.w3.org/Submission/2001/12/
03:50:41 [AaronSw]
sbp, look at this: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html
03:50:43 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
03:54:53 [AaronSw]
ouch, Lucent's claiming RQAND on DAML+OIL
03:58:37 [AaronSw]
err RAND
04:05:18 [sbp]
oh, that's neat - the little program that I stopped working on a while ago actually works
04:05:29 [sbp]
well, to some extent
04:05:31 [AaronSw]
which one is that?
04:05:42 [sbp]
er... the text thingy
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[[[
04:14:08 [sbp]
<loopyfx> hello
04:14:08 [sbp]
<sbp> hello
04:14:08 [sbp]
<t3rmin4t0r> hello
04:14:08 [sbp]
<sbp> hello [an octave higher]
04:14:09 [sbp]
]]]
04:14:22 [AaronSw]
eww, xml.com spam
04:14:29 [AaronSw]
"LOOK FOR MORE CONTEST DETAILS January 8, 2002 !!!"
04:18:51 [sbp]
what happens when you want to publish an HTML document anonymously?
04:19:02 [AaronSw]
What do you mean?
04:19:10 [AaronSw]
Wow, Heddley was an HTML editor for the Amiga.
04:19:40 [sbp]
let's say that you write some huge missive, and you want to publish it anonymously. You also want to be able to update it. What are your options?
04:19:54 [AaronSw]
The Plex? No wait, that's not available yet.
04:19:54 [AaronSw]
Freenet?
04:19:58 [AaronSw]
Publius, too.
04:20:07 [sbp]
.google Publius
04:20:08 [AaronSw]
Publius is probably best.
04:20:12 [xena]
Publius: http://publius.cdt.org
04:20:29 [AaronSw]
Publius has some over lap with P3P developers.
04:20:38 [AaronSw]
Lorrie Cranor is on both.
04:20:57 [sbp]
Yeah. I remember reviewing it
04:21:13 [AaronSw]
Reviewing Publius?
04:21:18 [sbp]
yeah
04:21:26 [AaronSw]
what for?
04:23:24 [sbp]
just for myself. Oh, not an "official" review
04:24:11 [AaronSw]
Well, if you publish something anonymously, be sure to drop me the URL.
04:26:39 [sbp]
lol
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04:33:46 [sbp]
Interesting how technology evolves at a steady rate, but that people in general can't be any smarter
04:35:21 [sbp]
well, it is
04:35:25 [sbp]
Gotta run
04:35:32 [AaronSw]
yeah
04:35:39 [AaronSw]
Moore's law from a computer's perspective
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05:00:17 [AaronSw]
.seen zooko
05:00:18 [xena]
zooko seen joining #infoanarchy ~ 4 day(s) 19 hr(s) 35 min(s) 10 sec(s) ago
05:08:44 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.pygame.org/ftp/screenshots/perl_coder.jpg
05:47:08 [AaronSw]
.time
05:47:09 [xena]
2001/12/19 05:48:42.483 Universal
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14:52:56 [AaronSw]
It's SNOWING!
14:53:04 [Morbus]
coool :)
14:53:10 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: It's SNOWING!
14:55:38 [AaronSw]
finally!
14:56:13 [Morbus]
it's kinda warm here now.
14:56:15 [Morbus]
.weather concord, nh
14:56:16 [xena]
no weather stations found for concord, nh
14:56:24 [AaronSw]
.weather2 concord, nh
14:56:25 [xena]
[ CONCORD, NH ] : Temperature 36° F Windchill 30° F Humidity 70% Dewpoint 27° F Wind West at 8 mph Pressure 29.77 in Conditions Partly Cloudy Visibility 10 miles Clouds
14:56:36 [AaronSw]
.weather2 highland park, il
14:56:38 [Morbus]
heh. well, trust me, its warm ;)
14:56:39 [xena]
[ HIGHLAND PARK, IL ] : Temperature 33° F Windchill 24° F Humidity 92% Dewpoint 31° F Wind NW at 12 mph Pressure 29.81 in Conditions Light Snow Visibility 1 miles Clouds
14:56:53 [em]
.weather2 powell, oh
14:56:55 [xena]
[ POWELL, OH ] : Temperature 40° F Windchill 33° F Humidity 83% Dewpoint 35° F Wind South at 13 mph Pressure 29.80 in Conditions Clear Visibility 9 miles Clouds
14:57:01 [em]
thanks xena :)
14:57:09 [AaronSw]
Pretty crazy.
14:57:23 [AaronSw]
Yesterday it's all clear, beautiful as can be. now it's snowing
14:58:20 [AaronSw]
wpw, my server sure had fun last night...
14:59:29 [Morbus]
yeah, did you ever get your attbi stuff straighted out? you were gone for like two hours.
15:00:50 [AaronSw]
ha ha ha
15:01:17 [AaronSw]
it doesn't seem to have done it since last night.
15:01:56 [Morbus]
ah, good <G>
15:02:05 [Morbus]
cos i sure missed all your antogonisms ;)
15:02:20 [AaronSw]
ugh, oracle died
15:04:38 [Morbus]
i've contributed a lot of minor little nits to movable type. this is the first time i've done that for a non OSI projct. i feel dirty <g>
15:08:05 [Morbus]
man, i'm reading the scripting.com scriptingNews, and i'm still having a chuckle about that # being an image
15:08:33 [AaronSw]
heh
15:14:14 [AaronSw]
wait, so opera cmes out with a new mac browser today, but it's still 5.0?
15:14:24 [Morbus]
really? i didn't know.
15:14:30 [Morbus]
moz97 is supposed to be out friday.
15:14:31 [AaronSw]
[[[
15:14:34 [AaronSw]
News
15:14:35 [AaronSw]
December 19, 2001
15:14:35 [AaronSw]
New Opera for Mac 5.0 Beta 5 for systems 7.5.3-9.2 and Beta 3 for Mac OS X introduces 30 day banner free period, cookie editor and several bugfixes.
15:14:41 [AaronSw]
]]] - http://www.opera.com/mac/
15:14:44 [Morbus]
pffff.
15:14:49 [Morbus]
opera 6 for pc rocks
15:16:06 [Morbus]
[[[
15:16:08 [Morbus]
Covering My Ass: I recognize that it's quite likely that there's a prominent page that has all of these stats plus many more. I fully expect the response: "Yo, dude, haven't you ever been to www.scriptingnews.com/weblogstats/answersyourdumbfuckingquestions.html?" My defense: I've made a career out of being ignorant in public.
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]]]
15:16:23 [Morbus]
http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger
15:16:39 [AaronSw]
Heh.
15:17:01 [AaronSw]
I met him briefly at P2PCon, but he disappeared before we could get a chance to really chat.
15:17:28 [Morbus]
oh yeah? cool. i've chatted with him a few times.
15:17:30 [Morbus]
email wise.
15:17:43 [Morbus]
this site looks good: http://livingcode.manilasites.com/
15:18:12 [AaronSw]
there's a sputnix B3 out, btw
15:18:21 [AaronSw]
has file uploads and mutliple downloads at once
15:18:32 [Morbus]
when did that come out? i know i ahve one with file uploads, but i got that about a week ago, i thinkl
15:18:51 [AaronSw]
i dunno , i just looked last night and saw I was way behind
15:18:58 [Morbus]
heh, heh: http://fourstones.net/Winer.html
15:35:37 [Morbus]
"Hey, congratulations, BTW. You've become a First Tier O'Reilly pundit. If
15:35:37 [Morbus]
there's _anyone_ who should write a bestseller, it's you!!"
15:35:44 [Morbus]
heh, heh. :)
15:35:55 [AaronSw]
Who said that?
15:37:47 [AaronSw]
Perhaps you could win the 2001 Clay Shirky Rising Pundit Awards.
15:38:16 [Morbus]
steve baldwin, long time friend. creator of ghostsites, co of netslaves, used to work at pathfinder, yadda yadda.
15:39:05 [AaronSw]
uh oh -- i brought the force quit dialog up and now whenever i click on something in it it beeps.
15:39:17 [AaronSw]
so i can't close it or close the application i want to
15:39:36 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
15:39:46 [Morbus]
can you force quit the finder from the doc?
15:40:06 [AaronSw]
it's not an option...
15:40:32 [Morbus]
isn't it cmd-click?
15:40:42 [Morbus]
you can something-click to get a force quit on the dock, i thought
15:40:55 [AaronSw]
ctrl-click?
15:41:09 [AaronSw]
there's a quit option for the other apps, but not the finder.
15:41:24 [AaronSw]
i can kill it from the therminal tho
15:42:44 [AaronSw]
ugh, it's still here
16:02:18 [AaronSw]
opera is cool except the scroll wheel on my mouse doesn't work
16:02:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw rebuilds his entourage db
16:02:26 [Morbus]
heh, hhe.
16:03:36 [AaronSw]
well i do have 132,860 messages...
16:03:48 [AaronSw]
maybe this will speed things up a bit
16:03:55 [Morbus]
how's the searching?
16:03:59 [AaronSw]
very fast
16:04:10 [Morbus]
cool. i thought wes had problems with that.
16:04:14 [AaronSw]
it's just opening messages and stuff feels a little pokey.
16:04:25 [AaronSw]
i think he was doing searches across all mailboxes, which is slow
16:04:34 [Morbus]
ah.
16:13:50 [AaronSw]
ygh, it disconnected again
16:21:52 [Morbus]
gasp!
16:21:57 [Morbus]
someone just called me a fiend!
16:21:57 [Morbus]
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=fiend
16:22:05 [Morbus]
and said i matched taht discription in a lot of ways.
16:22:10 [Morbus]
sniff, sniff. I'm hurt!
16:22:12 [Morbus]
logster, where am i?
16:22:19 [Morbus]
See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-19#T16-22-12
16:23:14 [AaronSw]
heh
16:23:37 [AaronSw]
.wn fiend
16:23:40 [xena]
fiend defined as:
16:23:41 [xena]
- n 1: a cruel wicked and inhuman person [syn: {monster}, {devil}, {demon}, {ogre}]
16:23:42 [xena]
- 2: one of the evil spirits of traditional Jewish and Christian belief [syn: {devil}, {demon}, {daemon}, {daimon}]
16:23:43 [xena]
- 3: a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause) [syn: {fanatic}]
16:23:59 [AaronSw]
perhaps they meant sense 3
16:29:01 [AaronSw]
isn't it sort of ironic that google has a robots.txt disallowing most of its site
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17:00:13 [AaronSw]
howdy
17:00:18 [sbp]
Hi there
17:00:25 [sbp]
snow?
17:01:00 [AaronSw]
Snow!
17:02:20 [AaronSw]
Snow snow snow!
17:02:35 [Morbus]
let i snow!
17:02:44 [Morbus]
dammit. i lost my pen again.
17:02:48 [Morbus]
i flipping hate losing my pen.
17:02:51 [Morbus]
i feel so naked.
17:02:59 [AaronSw]
who needs pens when you have a computer?
17:02:59 [Morbus]
now all i have is this crappy yellow hilighter.
17:03:08 [Morbus]
pens are for doodling when i'm thinking.
17:03:49 [AaronSw]
I think I should take a US Flag with me to the UK, so I can burn it.
17:04:18 [Morbus]
burn it here.
17:04:36 [AaronSw]
I'm trying to figure out if that's legal in IL.
17:04:41 [Morbus]
its not any more important than me writing "icon" on a piece of apper and kneeling to it in the morning
17:04:54 [AaronSw]
heh heh
17:05:51 [deltab]
AaronSw: depends how much smoke is produced
17:06:03 [Morbus]
heh...
17:06:07 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
17:06:08 [Morbus]
yeah, you may need a permit <G>
17:06:28 [sbp]
"Hi, I'd like to apply for a permit to burn the Flag, please"
17:06:52 [Morbus]
"no, i'm sorry, son, it's too dry out today. you go play communist some other day, eh?""
17:07:23 [deltab]
in the UK, I mean
17:08:04 [AaronSw]
oh?
17:08:37 [sbp]
yeah, he's probably right. They don't care what you burn here, as long as it doesn't affect other people too much
17:09:02 [Morbus]
ah, and that's the acridy smell of freedom, my friend ;)
17:09:58 [sbp]
it reminds me of the Ozzy Osbourne quote...
17:11:26 [sbp]
"There was an old wall, so I thought, OK, i'll take a pee on this wall, not knowing it was the shrine of fucking Texas. I was surrounded by marshals and shipped off to jail. This old guy was goin' crazy, shouting, 'How would you feel if I urinated on Buckingham Palace?' I said, 'I don't give a shit, I don't live there.'" - http://www.livejournal.com/users/dawnofdapenguin/
17:12:02 [sbp]
Ozzy Osbourne, on pissing up the Alamo
17:14:45 [AaronSw]
I should send an email to the ACLUE about it...
17:14:56 [AaronSw]
"Dear ACLU, I plan to burn a flag to protest this war. Do you think this is OK? I live in Illinois."
17:15:16 [sbp]
why are you wanting to burn the flag, anyway? run out of firewood?
17:15:46 [sbp]
ah
17:15:56 [Morbus]
wait, congress hasn't declared this is a war.
17:16:02 [AaronSw]
yeah
17:16:06 [Morbus]
this is a war on terrorism. its like a war on peanut butter.
17:16:08 [AaronSw]
i guess it's a "conflict on terrorism"
17:16:17 [Morbus]
because you know, its sticks to the roof of your mouth and pisses you off and crap.
17:16:22 [Morbus]
like the war on p2p. <G>
17:18:06 [Morbus]
[[[
17:18:07 [Morbus]
[12:18] scattergirl: theoreticaly it's just a piece of cloth. but if you don't assign value to that then you might as well burn your dollars bills, too. personally i don't care if people burn flags, but the freedom you're talking about has been won off the lives of a lot of people - and to some, the flag is a symbol of that just as true as the value of paper money.
17:18:16 [Morbus]
[12:19] Morbus: right, exactly. i'm not doubting that the flag means something to other people. so does religion. religion works because you subscribe to it, and having different ideas is great.
17:18:16 [Morbus]
[12:19] Morbus: the flag doesn't work that way. the flag is forced on you cos you live in the western hemisphere.
17:18:17 [Morbus]
]]]
17:19:24 [sbp]
well, that's bollocks to a certain extent
17:19:30 [Morbus]
why's that?
17:20:18 [sbp]
well, did you hear about that guy who burnt a Buddha? the reason that you burn it is important too; the most important factor, perhaps
17:20:40 [AaronSw]
the reason people burn the flag is _because_ they respect it -- because it symbolizes so much
17:21:01 [Morbus]
quite true.
17:21:04 [sbp]
that's sacrifice
17:22:04 [sbp]
and welcome to Part II of "stating the obvious"
17:22:12 [Morbus]
heh!
17:26:15 [Morbus]
goddamn, i'm hungry.
17:27:55 [sbp]
* sbp too, and I've just eaten
17:28:30 [Morbus]
flood!
17:28:30 [Morbus]
[[[
17:28:32 [Morbus]
Session Start (ICQ - 2927491:scattergirl): Wed Dec 19 12:28:20 2001
17:28:32 [Morbus]
[12:28] scattergirl: they burn it because they respect it? LOL!! Wow, that's quite the inventive use of brain cells there. I mean, I suppose I could do the mental gymnastics to see that as true, but who on earth is going to see you burn a flag and think "Wow man that guy's so respectful". Please.
17:28:32 [Morbus]
[12:28] scattergirl: As far as burning buddhas, that's a whole other story, and not a fair comparison at all IMO.
17:28:33 [Morbus]
[12:28] scattergirl: apples & oranges entirely.
17:28:35 [Morbus]
[12:29] Morbus: heh, can i paste this in there?
17:28:37 [Morbus]
[12:29] Morbus: i can see his respect point, actually.
17:28:39 [Morbus]
[12:29] scattergirl: yah sure
17:28:41 [Morbus]
[12:29] scattergirl: please.
17:28:43 [Morbus]
[12:29] Morbus: he's saying that the power of the flag eqautes to thier power of discontent.
17:28:45 [Morbus]
[12:29] scattergirl: i can see it too i just think it's juvenile.
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]]]
17:28:49 [Morbus]
should i tell her how old you are? ;)
17:29:02 [AaronSw]
lol
17:29:11 [AaronSw]
i don't think that would be productive
17:29:17 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
17:29:28 [AaronSw]
I mean, would I go in the center of town and burn a piece of paper that was blank?
17:29:28 [Morbus]
hey, you know, i think i had a dream about you.
17:29:36 [AaronSw]
Eh?
17:29:49 [AaronSw]
Hmm: http://dack.com/war/bombs_away.html
17:29:57 [Morbus]
seriously, i remember in my dream going to some website, and it was run by some kid who seemed smart. and i remember thinking "hmm, i wonder if AaronSw knows this guy" <G>
17:30:01 [Morbus]
that's all i remeber.
17:30:06 [AaronSw]
heh heh.
17:30:23 [Morbus]
leaving soon to go to lunch.
17:30:28 [sbp]
"As far as burning buddhas, that's a whole other story, and not a fair comparison at all IMO." bollocks is it! It's about the most relevent point raised on the subject so far
17:30:53 [AaronSw]
tell scats to pick up her scattered girl and get it in here!
17:30:58 [sbp]
yeah
17:31:06 [Morbus]
heh! i just told her that.
17:33:28 [sbp]
That'd make a cool occupation, actually. Suicidal button maker
17:33:56 [AaronSw]
how do buttons commit suicide?
17:34:02 [sbp]
explode, of course
17:34:22 [sbp]
of course, it's not the *buttons*, but the cotton that attaches them to the fabric
17:34:25 [Morbus]
sbp, even read evil ernie?
17:34:32 [sbp]
if the tension on them is high enough, then kaboom
17:34:37 [sbp]
er... pointer?
17:34:39 [Morbus]
[[[
17:34:40 [Morbus]
[12:34] scattergirl: i would - i've never been able to join irc cos of software problems
17:34:40 [Morbus]
[12:35] scattergirl: perhaps you can help? (btw i find sbp irritating as hell today :D)
17:34:41 [Morbus]
]]]
17:34:43 [Morbus]
its a comic.
17:34:44 [Morbus]
heading out.
17:34:46 [sbp]
lol
17:35:09 [AaronSw]
odd, i guess she doesn't find you that way most days.
17:35:31 [sbp]
bizzare, in fact. What did I do wrong on other days?
17:35:53 [AaronSw]
i dunno, maybe she has a problem or something
17:36:13 [sbp]
yeah. Seems to be a case of "can't get your own way in an argument" to me
17:36:39 [sbp]
* sbp ducks
17:37:12 [sbp]
Then again, I'm the same way, so who am I to complain?
17:37:49 [AaronSw]
Heh
17:37:51 [AaronSw]
Ah, here's her cam: http://www.scattergirl.com/scatscan/cam.html
17:38:01 [AaronSw]
guess that about sums things up
17:38:08 [sbp]
lol!
17:38:36 [sbp]
* sbp hopes Morbus can at some point hook her up with IRC
17:39:15 [sbp]
if you'd have set up that POST thing, people could at least use a form
17:39:27 [AaronSw]
Hey, I did set up a POST thing!
17:39:34 [AaronSw]
I used it from the library, remember?
17:39:56 [sbp]
erm... did you?
17:40:02 [AaronSw]
Just because it doesn't do GETs...
17:40:05 [AaronSw]
yeah, cgi::irc
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17:41:12 [sbp]
ooh!
17:41:18 [sbp]
could it be?
17:41:20 [scats]
urgh
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17:42:40 [sbp]
heh, we get a variety of introductions upon people joining #swhack... I'm not sure if that one beats Morbus' "fraggle rock", but it probably does
17:42:53 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
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doesn't work so well
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but at least it works
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17:44:45 [sbp]
of course "xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net" suggests otherwise. But I'll try to remain a state of blissful ignorance w.r.t. that fact
17:45:50 [sbp]
Hmm... if one hopped around in 3 metre diameter circles, how long would it tak ean average person to fall flat on their butts?
17:49:23 [sbp]
taking into account the fact that they are drunk
17:49:57 [sbp]
Perhaps this is one of those things that one can get government grants to study?
17:50:06 [AaronSw]
I think CWM would be useful for this.
17:50:17 [sbp]
well, you wouldn't study the grant. Stupid misplaced modifier
17:50:26 [sbp]
CWM: yeah, probably
17:50:41 [sbp]
s/to/with which to/
17:54:05 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Boy, my ISP is stupid. This is one of their frequently asked questions: "What Should I Know About Protecting My Family and Myself When Using the Internet?"
17:54:06 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Well, umm, always wear radiation goggles.
17:54:08 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Ooh.
17:54:10 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> "Be extremely cautious about meeting online acquaintances in person. If you choose to meet, do so in a public place and take along a friend." - My ISP
17:54:13 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Sorry, sbp. Guess I can't visit you.
17:57:22 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
17:57:41 [sbp]
well, we can meet in the park, and I presume you'll be dragging someone down with you?
17:57:58 [AaronSw]
likely so
18:00:13 [AaronSw]
i'll be sure to bring my gun
18:00:32 [sbp]
they're banned over here
18:00:43 [AaronSw]
they are? uck
18:00:55 [sbp]
heh, heh. So no shotting up the place and killing people. Sound fair to me
18:01:11 [AaronSw]
you guys need a bill or rights
18:01:18 [AaronSw]
i mean, you allow flagburning but no guns?
18:01:35 [sbp]
yeah. Pretty sensible. Much better than guns but no flagburning
18:01:58 [AaronSw]
that's what the republicans want
18:02:18 [sbp]
what, guns but no flagburning?
18:02:21 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
18:02:28 [AaronSw]
it's pretty funny -- Mr. Ashcroft doesn't believe in attorney-client privilege or anything, but he refuses to use gun registration databases.
18:02:30 [sbp]
well then, I rest my case
18:02:57 [AaronSw]
He voted for banning flagburning, but refuses any forms of gun control.
18:04:21 [deltab]
remember, guns don't kill people, burning flags kill people
18:04:28 [AaronSw]
lol
18:05:05 [AaronSw]
all the hits for "ashcroft genius" are about the Tory Party's Michael Ashcroft.
18:05:31 [sbp]
heh, heh
18:05:44 [AaronSw]
well, mostly Richard Ashcroft of England's Verve.
18:05:57 [AaronSw]
"Ashcroft's lyrical genius and flaring vocals"
18:12:33 [AaronSw]
odd. now the sun's out and the snow is melting
18:12:36 [AaronSw]
that was fast.
18:14:00 [Morbus]
man, i missed scats.
18:14:29 [AaronSw]
did she leave?
18:14:46 [sbp]
no, I think he just missed her in general
18:14:47 [Morbus]
well, i saw her pop in from the log
18:14:58 [AaronSw]
no, that wasn't her
18:15:03 [sbp]
oh, well, did you note the IP?
18:15:14 [sbp]
s/IP/IP address/
18:15:15 [Morbus]
that wsan't her?
18:15:24 [sbp]
no, 'twas Aaron
18:15:35 [AaronSw]
'twas logster
18:15:43 [Morbus]
'twas Morbus
18:15:45 [Morbus]
wait. shit. um.
18:15:52 [Morbus]
dammit. i always screw this stuff up.
18:15:55 [sbp]
logster said "urgh"?
18:16:00 [AaronSw]
yeah.
18:16:09 [Morbus]
yes, that's caveman logster.
18:16:09 [AaronSw]
it's a little known easter egg.
18:16:09 [sbp]
logster, say "urgh"
18:16:09 [sbp]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'say "urgh"', sbp. Try /msg logster help
18:16:18 [Morbus]
hey, i can post to gamegrene via xml-rpc. oOOh.
18:17:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw posts to gamegrene via an XML-RPC security hole
18:19:18 [Morbus]
sigh. my stupid AG queue is all full of dead files. and i've no time to rehunt them down.
18:22:49 [sbp]
What is that at the end of "I Feel Fine"? Sounds like a dog barking
18:22:57 [sbp]
.google "I Feel Fine" dog barking
18:22:57 [Morbus]
oh joy. they added categories to syndic8. sigh
18:22:58 [xena]
"I Feel Fine" dog barking: http://www.stevesbeatles.com/songs/i_feel_fine.asp
18:23:24 [sbp]
[[[
18:23:25 [sbp]
End
18:23:25 [sbp]
In the fade out, people report hearing a barking dog. It's not a dog, but Paul freaking out and making woop/woof noises. Very realistic, but no dog!
18:23:26 [sbp]
]]]
18:23:28 [sbp]
aha!
18:23:28 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
18:25:47 [AaronSw]
I must admit that i've given up on Syndic8
18:27:46 [Morbus]
i haven't been to the site in months.
18:27:54 [Morbus]
i only show up in the chatroom cos i haven't modified by startup join.
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18:40:46 [Morbus]
i think the collection of syndic8 feeds is good.
18:41:45 [sbp]
* sbp reads up about the "All You Need Is Love"/"She Loves You" debate, and is surprised by the result
18:48:06 [AaronSw]
what's the debate?
18:48:14 [AaronSw]
.google "All You Need Is Love"/"She Loves You" debate
18:48:15 [xena]
"All You Need Is Love"/"She Loves You" debate: http://www.pootle.demon.co.uk/beatles/aynil.htm
18:52:07 [sbp]
listening to the MP3 of the center channel, it's rather clear
18:52:22 [AaronSw]
who do you think it is?
18:53:48 [sbp]
it's clearly Paul to start with, and then John joins in. You can't hear it clearly on the MAgical Mystery Tour version, except for the slight resonance due to the difference in pitch of their voices (the crackle)
18:54:28 [sbp]
s/MAgical/Magical/
18:55:09 [sbp]
I was rather sceptical until I listened to the MP3. I'm just working out how to process it myself
18:56:21 [AaronSw]
neat
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19:19:00 [Morbus]
hey rillster.
19:19:09 [rillian]
morbus, bots
19:19:30 [rillian]
how's your coherence length today?
19:19:53 [Morbus]
six or seven words max.
19:19:59 [Morbus]
trying to sentence fragment.
19:20:01 [Morbus]
working well?
19:20:19 [rillian]
well enough that
19:20:28 [Morbus]
good, good.
19:20:43 [rillian]
understanding comes to
19:20:49 [rillian]
more or less what?
19:21:25 [Morbus]
lack of confusion, perhaps.
19:21:40 [rillian]
perhaps
19:22:13 [AaronSw]
PFPS: "the HTML standard is not really about getting applications to exchange information, it is about getting browsers to put pixels on display devices or, perhaps, getting some other interface software to present content in some other human-accessible manner."
19:22:16 [AaronSw]
I disagree with that.
19:23:19 [Morbus]
i do as well.
19:23:29 [Morbus]
i gotta head out.
19:23:33 [Morbus]
back in an aol.
19:23:37 [Morbus]
in an hour, rather
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19:59:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw catches up on WG business, threatens to complete 2001-12-14#9
20:00:33 [sbp]
2001-12-14#9?
20:00:45 [AaronSw]
an ACTION assigned to me.
20:04:38 [AaronSw]
Cool: ÄLYKÄS WWW SUOMESSA
20:07:56 [sbp]
Cool, I just found an early draft of one of my better songs
20:08:04 [AaronSw]
Neato.
20:09:07 [sbp]
I played Stu the N-series either yesterday or the day before... I think he liked them
20:13:57 [AaronSw]
.time
20:13:58 [xena]
2001/12/19 20:15:31.9473 Universal
20:17:40 [sbp]
* sbp does a lot of mixing on "All You Need Is Love"
20:19:23 [sbp]
yep, John definitely joins in
20:48:30 [AaronSw]
Sort of a sad story: http://dqd.com/~mayoff/other-authors/coming-crisis.html
20:56:08 [sbp]
Yes, it is
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20:56:43 [sbp]
[[[
20:56:43 [sbp]
<RyanL> RDF/XML Syntax Specification (Revised)
20:56:43 [sbp]
<RyanL> what do you think about it?
20:56:43 [sbp]
<dajobe> lol
20:56:43 [sbp]
<dajobe> I wrote it
20:56:46 [sbp]
]]] - #rdfig
20:56:50 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh
21:00:43 [AaronSw]
The Web Archive rocks!
21:01:16 [sbp]
yes, it does. You are correct. Right on
21:01:42 [sbp]
how did you come to this startling conclusion?
21:01:58 [AaronSw]
because Yahoo sucks.
21:02:14 [sbp]
I take it that they broke a page
21:02:25 [AaronSw]
they break their news links as a matter of principle
21:02:44 [AaronSw]
maybe policy
21:09:29 [AaronSw]
sbp, you free tomorrow AM?
21:09:34 [AaronSw]
EST time
21:17:27 [AaronSw]
it's so crazy here, now it's perfectly clear and almost all the snow is gone.
21:17:46 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: It stopped SNOWING!
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aw, no more snow?
21:23:07 [sbp]
"Sit back and let the evening go"
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* sbp plays Sgt. Pepper's
21:23:23 [AaronSw]
No, the sun came and melted it all.
21:29:58 [Morbus]
well, that's lame.
21:29:59 [Morbus]
stupid sun.
21:32:10 [AaronSw]
yeah
21:34:42 [AaronSw]
.translate eng-ger hello
21:34:54 [sbp]
hallo
21:35:02 [AaronSw]
heh
21:35:23 [AaronSw]
sbp stars in "Xena for a Day
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"
21:35:28 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
21:37:12 [sbp]
"She's Leaving Home"
21:37:27 [sbp]
Hmm... I wonder what the best song on Sgt. P's is?
21:40:13 [xena]
error: Site Error occurred: IndexError
21:40:34 [sbp]
ooh, that was quick. And what a marvellous result for such a simple translation
21:40:38 [AaronSw]
heh
21:40:46 [AaronSw]
blame tav
21:41:26 [sbp]
I do
21:42:00 [sbp]
* sbp skips to Lovely Rita, heh, heh
21:42:30 [sbp]
logster, grep Lovely Rita
21:43:04 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 5 answers for 'Lovely Rita' (showing 0...4)
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0) 2001-12-19 21:42:30 <sbp> logster, grep Lovely Rita
21:43:06 [logster]
1) 2001-12-19 21:42:00 <sbp> * sbp skips to Lovely Rita, heh, heh
21:43:07 [logster]
2) 2001-12-06 17:05:52 <AaronSw> * AaronSw plays "Lovely Rita"
21:43:08 [logster]
3) 2001-12-06 17:03:08 <sbp> Needless to say, I am now banned from playing "Lovely Rita"
21:43:09 [logster]
4) 2001-12-06 17:01:29 <sbp> My Mum had a sleepless night last night... apparently, she kept waking up singing "Lovely Rita, Meter Maid", and it drove her nuts. She only got three hours sleep!
21:43:11 [AaronSw]
hee hee, i found a hole in member-confidentiality!
21:43:17 [sbp]
a hole, you say?
21:43:27 [AaronSw]
Google's caching Member-Confidential pages!
21:43:28 [AaronSw]
Yes!
21:43:34 [sbp]
it is? oh, wow
21:44:02 [AaronSw]
from Nov. 5
21:44:06 [AaronSw]
that's awesome!
21:44:09 [AaronSw]
oh shoot, e* is here.
21:45:05 [sbp]
shoot?
21:46:11 [Morbus]
member confidentail pages?
21:46:57 [sbp]
tail?
21:47:08 [Morbus]
-f?
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em is now known as em_away
21:50:04 [Morbus]
uh oh. he's coming to get you.
21:50:14 [AaronSw]
heh
21:50:20 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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22:00:37 [AaronSw]
@ http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/chaffing.txt
22:01:14 [chumpster]
D: http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/chaffing.txt from AaronSw
22:01:26 [AaronSw]
D:|Chaffing and Winnowing: Confidentiality without Encryption
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D::By Ronald L. Rivest
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titled item D
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commented item D
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D::Fascinating!
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commented item D
22:01:57 [Morbus]
wwhoohoo.
22:02:01 [Morbus]
now i have 38 bookmarks to read.
22:02:03 [Morbus]
thanks AaronSw :)
22:02:08 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
22:02:18 [Morbus]
started the ora p2p book last night.
22:02:25 [AaronSw]
The basic idea is that you send a bunch of malformed packets in with the good one.
22:02:25 [Morbus]
finished the learning xml.
22:02:29 [AaronSw]
cool
22:02:36 [Morbus]
did you hear about the ... ... seti@home sort of thing based on packets?
22:02:40 [AaronSw]
yeah
22:02:45 [AaronSw]
that was pretty cool
22:02:46 [Morbus]
lemme try to desc... oh. ok.
22:03:07 [AaronSw]
this uses the same ability
22:03:28 [Morbus]
ahh.
22:03:38 [AaronSw]
so the other side throws away the bad packets
22:03:43 [Morbus]
maybe i should alphabetize my bookmarks to elevate that one ;)
22:03:57 [AaronSw]
but any snoops don't know the shared password so they don't know which packets are good or bad
22:03:57 [Morbus]
i've got a bunch of ibm dW ones after this chi-web crap
22:04:08 [AaronSw]
and the government can't outlaw it since there's no encryption going on -- everything is in the clear.
22:05:13 [AaronSw]
and the generator of the bad packets doesn't need to know the key
22:05:15 [Morbus]
was there ever any response to the thing about aimster? and encrypting the traffic, so that if the gov decrypted to trace, they'd be breaking their own law?
22:05:24 [AaronSw]
heh heh
22:05:29 [Morbus]
did you hear of that?
22:05:30 [AaronSw]
no, i've not heard much on that
22:05:45 [AaronSw]
cool idea, tho
22:05:47 [Morbus]
yeah, it was a big thing in response to napster being told to filter the results.
22:06:11 [Morbus]
i never heard much of it after the initial "ha ha" announcement.
22:11:37 [AaronSw]
anyway, i'm going thru my 300 bookmarks that i need to read
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and that was a really good one
22:11:55 [Morbus]
you should send them off to me. i'll probably find some good ones.
22:12:02 [Morbus]
actually kearney and i were talking about this
22:12:10 [AaronSw]
about mailing bookmarks around?
22:12:16 [Morbus]
it would be neat to have a script that would blog a designinated bookmark folder.
22:12:31 [Morbus]
you would throw "in transit, new to me, must read" into that folder, and it would blog to a site.
22:12:44 [AaronSw]
yeah
22:12:44 [Morbus]
which works wonderfully for me - i would love a selfupdating thingy like that.
22:12:51 [Morbus]
i read more than i comment.
22:13:10 [Morbus]
it wouldn't relaly be that hard to do iether.
22:13:19 [Morbus]
the bookmark code already exists in my syncasaurus.
22:13:26 [Morbus]
would probably only take me an afternoon to code something up.
22:13:35 [Morbus]
just finding an afternoon is hard :(
22:13:48 [AaronSw]
whatever happened to bookmarkasaurus?
22:13:59 [AaronSw]
what was the real name?
22:14:04 [Morbus]
its the same place it was last time. (syncasaurus).
22:14:07 [AaronSw]
ah
22:14:12 [AaronSw]
last time?
22:14:17 [Morbus]
basically, i'm using it to convert my bookmarks to xbel, and then email it off to my home machine.
22:14:26 [AaronSw]
neat
22:14:28 [Morbus]
the things stopping it from a first release: monitoring code, ftp transaction.
22:14:42 [Morbus]
the ftp shell is already built, just need to write some up, down, changelog sort of stuff.
22:14:53 [Morbus]
and the monitoring code is relatively easy for single files, but has some problems with IE's /Favorites/
22:16:16 [Morbus]
http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/thread.php3?subject=%5Bsyncasaurus-develop%5D+Is+the+current+CVS+supposed+to+work%3F&list=16261
22:16:39 [Morbus]
you can read that for an example of how to use it as is. the code described is pretty near what i use to hoof it back and forth through email, conversion scripts on both ends.
22:16:48 [AaronSw]
ok
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We got Zakim!
23:05:52 [sbp]
yep, sure did
23:09:02 [AaronSw]
man, the spam filter on entourage is really goofd
23:09:04 [AaronSw]
err good
23:15:58 [sbp]
so, how is the going of it?
23:16:10 [AaronSw]
fine in many respects
23:16:34 [sbp]
that is wonderful. I am indeed enpleasured by your remark
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23:17:11 [AaronSw]
do you have the desire to enpleasure me by reciprocating the request?
23:17:17 [Morbus]
AaronSw, do you know if the SetFileInfo shell utility can set dates?
23:17:41 [AaronSw]
i would think you could do that with normal unix utils
23:18:24 [sbp]
ah, that is a wonderful suggestion. Yes, I am also under the impression that the things that go are fine in many respects. And I feel exquisite because of that
23:19:01 [sbp]
I shall now attempt to stop talking like an utter idiot, and instead enjoy the pleasures of annoying Mr. Morbus Iff, who recently entered into our company
23:19:13 [AaronSw]
cheerio
23:19:14 [sbp]
yo, Morby, WTF are you talking about now?
23:19:19 [deltab]
touch -d
23:19:30 [AaronSw]
touch -t on mac os x
23:19:43 [Morbus]
cool! heh.
23:22:14 [AaronSw]
Interesting: http://www.coworks.net/johan/fydra/
23:22:18 [AaronSw]
sort of gnutella for rdf
23:26:00 [sbp]
@ http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/11/15/creatingrss.html
23:26:02 [chumpster]
E: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/11/15/creatingrss.html from sbp
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E:|Create RSS channels from HTML news sites
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titled item E
23:26:23 [Morbus]
sean: http://63.173.138.156/~morbus/
23:26:50 [Morbus]
check out the numbered jpegs
23:27:49 [sbp]
hey, Maya
23:28:07 [AaronSw]
E::See also [syndicate your page|http://logicerror.com/blogifyYourPage]
23:28:08 [chumpster]
commented item E
23:28:08 [AaronSw]
heh heh
23:28:31 [sbp]
yeah, I thought that the parallel was a bit spooky
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and also, the "woz ere" thing... spooky :-)
23:29:09 [Morbus]
:)
23:29:35 [AaronSw]
I sorta know the guy who wrote that perl.com article.
23:29:53 [AaronSw]
this system looks complicated: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/ctkwok/paper/img1.gif
23:30:12 [Morbus]
AaronSw, yeah, i met that guy over in infoanarchy
23:30:16 [Morbus]
he thought ampheta was neat :)
23:30:21 [AaronSw]
heh
23:30:43 [AaronSw]
he did some of the RSS stuff for FAST
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* sbp invites y'all to join gro-ident, at yahoogroups
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er... geo-ident