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like on tidbits 01:24:07 no, i won't make it ul, because that'll throw an indent in the table, which i don't want. 01:24:17 and css controlling of that indent is now good enough for all the browsers i'm targeting. 01:24:28 not good enough, rather 01:24:32 Fine, don't put in the bullets. 01:24:36 just use smaller text, like tidbits 01:24:40 and be a LOOOOSER. 01:24:46 heh, heh, heh. 01:24:52 i hate this fucking room. 01:25:02 a LOOOOSER, you hear? 01:25:03 it's middot 01:25:08 · 01:25:08 why am i a loser? cos i wont use float? 01:25:21 middot is not a bullet. It's a middot 01:25:29 heh, it's good enough! 01:26:09 ok. 01:26:16 i threw bullets in: http://www.gamegrene.com/game_material/the_rosebaon_part_1.shtml 01:26:22 or rather, a middot. 01:26:23 @ http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06669 01:26:25 and that looks better. 01:26:33 B: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06669 from AaronSw 01:27:14 B::"Intellectual property may, in a few years, sound as strange to the ears as 'reasonable attorney fees', 'low tar cigarettes', and 'Zero Administration Windows' do today." 01:27:15 commented item B 01:28:25 ok. that middot thing came out decent. 01:28:25 thanks. 01:29:12 sure 01:29:19 now i can go back to taunting you 01:29:25 yes :) 01:30:15 B::"Bits are virtual; atoms are real. The rule of thumb is that if you can't kick it, you can't sue it." 01:30:16 commented item B 01:30:46 B::What are "adult materials"? 01:30:47 commented item B 01:31:18 Really old paper. 01:31:25 heh! 01:31:56 When it gets all yellow and stuff. 01:31:58 grr, connection 01:34:34 hey, sbp, you know where AaronSw went? 01:34:42 no, where? 01:36:47 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m410-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 01:36:59 great. he's gone too. sigh. 01:37:01 sbp (~sean@m410-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:37:06 oop, there he is. 01:37:11 hey, do you know where AaronSw went? 01:37:16 did his connection flake out on him? 01:37:18 no, where? 01:37:32 i think it must have 01:37:54 yeah, I think he vanished again 01:38:04 sigh. he really should break out the modem. 01:38:10 he's too stuck on his widdle cable connction though 01:38:18 finejung (lambda@modem-1913.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 01:38:23 heh, heh. At least those stupid messages aren't coming up again 01:38:36 erm... 01:38:38 * sbp waves 01:38:39 oh yeah. flipping repeating bastard. 01:39:22 did you want him for anything in particular? 01:39:45 was gonna ask him some crap about python. i may blurb about it for a bit in an osx article. 01:39:53 * AaronSw blurbs 01:40:06 just wanted to verb another noun. 01:40:15 err make fun of people who verb nouns. 01:41:22 Hmm... steal this essay is rather good 01:41:47 Python: yeah, he laughed quite a bit at the comment that the person made on your article :-) 01:42:10 heh, heh. i bet he did. :) 01:42:23 the funny thing is, there are a lot of comments on those articles concerning stuff that has nothing to do with apache. 01:42:31 like how to get sendmail and postgres working together. 01:42:38 why you'd have to MDA's is beyond me. 01:42:44 s/to/two/ 01:42:54 yeah, well, I think people have a question, and they simply comment on the first article that they find 01:43:05 at least it means that your article has good exposure 01:43:16 Morbus: postgres is a dbms 01:43:19 always a good thing :-) 01:43:23 ah, you mean postfix 01:43:24 hmmph, it disconnected again 01:43:28 uh, i meant... yeah, that one. 01:43:47 i always forget that deltab is around, ready to swoop down and poop on my head 01:44:11 ew 01:44:36 like an omnipotent bat. 01:49:11 rillian has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 01:49:32 B::From the [http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06604|first] in the series: "Unless otherwise noted, this article is copyright 2001 Dan Kohn". I wonder if the fact that the essay start with the words "Steal this essay" constitutes "otherwise noted"? 01:49:34 commented item B 01:49:44 Heh heh. 01:51:20 I should have said "falls under the category of". Too late to refactor 01:51:37 if AaronSw were around, he could probably fix that. 01:51:47 i'm surprised its been this long. they must've really screwed up. 01:51:51 ok, ok, i got out the 56k modem~ 01:52:01 brb while i connect. 01:52:58 ok, i'm back 01:55:03 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m426-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 01:55:17 sbp (~sean@m426-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:56:14 @ http://www.saqqara.demon.co.uk/datefmt.htm 01:56:17 C: International Date Format Campaign from sbp 01:57:57 I wonder if ISO standards are available anyplace? 01:58:15 Kimbro Staken: "Mac OS X is the Death of Linux on the Desktop" 01:58:17 - http://www.xmldatabases.org/index.php?wl_topic=3 02:03:38 heh, heh! 02:03:47 check it out: "There's a real problem brewing for Linux and its quest for desktop legitimacy, the engineer community is abandoning it left and right for Mac OS X" 02:03:53 http://www.xmldatabases.org/index.php?wl_topic=3 02:03:57 my boss is gonna hate that. 02:05:18 So, you 02:05:26 youdle, youdle 02:05:33 you're saying that I should get Mac OS X? 02:05:38 yeah, i love os x. 02:05:40 yeah 02:05:45 Make me 02:05:48 on the whole "Steal this" thread you were talking about sbp, http://www.gamegrene.com/news/steal_this_gamebook.shtml 02:06:01 i'm just going through each page with the MT conversion 02:06:07 Oh, for Mac OS X 02:06:18 Morbus, you're using the SHT markup language? 02:06:53 "solitaire gamebook"? Well now I've heard it all 02:07:07 who needs a ring when you can have a gamebook! 02:07:09 heh, heh. there are a bunch of things like that. its like a c hoose your own adventure 02:08:47 bbl 02:16:48 zing... 02:16:55 zingerS? 02:18:27 em-lap (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:18:54 * sbp waves 02:19:00 hey there. 02:19:53 * em-lap waves to all 02:20:19 Hello people. 02:21:09 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-92-87.knology.net) has joined #swhack 02:21:18 wb rillian 02:23:03 kickass! 02:23:09 skotos is gonna continue advertising on gamegrene.com 02:23:11 whoooo! 02:30:47 heh, heh: http://www.gamegrene.com/news/gamegrene_purchased_by_microsoft.shtml 02:32:21 finejung has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 02:32:31 'tis pretty funny 02:33:22 ugh, information gets everywhere: in your socks, down your trousers 02:43:58 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 02:48:34 http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,49201,00.html is insane. 02:50:04 it's rather silly. Seems oblivious to a lot of things 02:50:51 hmm. ever heard of 'grid computing'? 02:53:57 rillian, sure, why? 02:59:16 Aaron, do you think that Plex will ever be subject to a legal attack? Is it just another huge file sharing thing? 02:59:35 Well, that's one of the benefits of using SHA. 02:59:42 We can separate off the SHA net and get that sued. 02:59:59 But even so, a completely decentralize system like that is just not reasonable to sue. 03:00:16 And I have no money, tav has no money, so there's really no point in suing us. 03:01:20 cooler (~xyxye@nhoig36-wvlan0.vant.com.br) has joined #swhack 03:01:22 hail 03:01:38 so "possibly" and "yes" would be your answers? 03:01:51 hail? No, I think it's clear outside. Hasn't even been raining 03:02:32 hmm 03:02:35 cheers 03:02:37 AaronSw: just curious what they mean by it 03:02:42 np 03:03:00 .google global grid forum 03:03:01 global grid forum: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.gridforum.org/&e=747 03:03:09 (said job offer is a postdoc position doing something undefined with grid computing) 03:03:18 Al does a lot of work with them... 03:03:32 Al? 03:03:34 what is up with xena's output? She keeps screwing up 03:03:37 Al Gilman 03:03:46 """Wide-area distributed computing, or "grid" technologies, provide the foundation to a number of large-scale efforts utilizing the global Internet to build distributed computing and communications infrastructures. As common Grid services and interoperable components emerge, the difficulty in undertaking these large-scale efforts will be greatly reduced and, as importantly, the resulting systems will better support interoperation.""" 03:03:51 What are you talking about, sbp? 03:03:56 * rillian doesn't know who that is 03:03:57 It's a relative link from google.com. 03:04:21 er.... I just want the result, not the whole load of other crap 03:04:30 well tell google to stop monitoring us 03:04:36 heh, heh 03:04:51 AaronSw: well, I got that much. but they keep talking about doing distributed supercomputing, and I don't see how they expect that to work in anything but the long term 03:04:59 I mean, architectures vary so much 03:05:10 Why does that matter? 03:05:10 but RPC is pretty solidly defined 03:05:10 you really have to hand-tune your code to the latency between parallel nodes 03:05:48 so how can you have a 'middleware' interface take care of resource aggregation for a large computational job like that? 03:05:52 Well, there are projects that are better for it than others... 03:06:02 SETI@Home, DES cracking 03:06:03 we're just starting to figure out how to do that with file storage 03:06:06 OGR calculation... 03:06:19 AaronSw: right, those are all 'embarrasingly parallel' applications 03:06:23 Yeah. 03:06:50 Well, if everyone builds apps on top of stuff like Linda... 03:06:54 em-lap has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:06:54 em has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:06:54 tansaku has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:07:01 doesn't help with trying to get a 100-million atom simulation going 03:07:55 AaronSw: yes, having a nice toolkit like Cosm (or I guess Linda) is a good first step 03:08:03 Yeah, Cosm is cool. 03:08:12 I want to do stuff like Cosm over the Plex, actually. 03:08:22 and there's lots that we can do now with brokerage and scheduling and so on 03:08:48 maybe the 'immersive vr' stuff is just pie-in-the-sky 03:09:01 the Plex? 03:09:22 The Plex is my project to build a decentralized network for metadata distribution and query. 03:09:38 basically it's like tuplespaces for the internet 03:10:23 em-lap (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 03:10:23 em (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 03:10:23 tansaku (~sam@h131-171.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 03:11:32 exspecto (~guh@cmc3212444-a.moline1.il.home.com) has joined #swhack 03:11:38 yes it does 03:12:42 exspecto has quit (Client Quit) 03:13:26 AaronSw: nifty 03:13:38 thanks 03:13:44 sounds a bit like Linda, actually 03:13:49 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m689-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 03:14:00 Yeah, but I don't think Linda scales very well... 03:14:01 which seems to just be a 'virtual shared memory' implementation 03:14:03 sbp (~sean@m689-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:14:13 Where did exspecto come from? 03:14:30 I just wondered that 03:14:33 and cooler 03:15:41 what is that? 03:15:48 yes, I've not been able to find anything about Linda's actual implementation 03:16:05 AaronSw: do you have a design for Plex? 03:16:05 There are some folks who appear to be selling it for Linux and Mac OS X. 03:16:12 *nod* 03:16:17 Yes, something of one. 03:18:02 Chord is a decentralized hash table with nice scaling properties. 03:18:19 raph was going on about chord this summer 03:18:20 the problem is our two lead designers have disappeared. 03:18:22 the key thing i need right now is a chord implementation. 03:18:24 Chord is a decentralized hash table with nice scaling properties. 03:18:33 but I dont' think I read the paper 03:18:52 He was, eh? I 03:18:57 AaronSw: so it's based on chord? 03:18:58 i'll have to look that up 03:19:05 Yeah, somewhat loosely. 03:19:10 em-lap has quit () 03:19:14 too bad he's not around 03:19:27 I think he's trying to swear off that project though :) 03:19:36 is he on irc? 03:20:00 sometimes 03:20:20 neat 03:20:27 Was this bit about Chord in his advogato diary? 03:20:41 I think it was an irc conversation, sorry 03:20:56 he's thought a lot about these things, though 03:21:07 nickserv says he's not been around since friday 03:21:18 raph@acm.org if you want to pester him about it 03:21:28 Yeah, I've seen some of his posts to the p2p lists -- they're very insightful. 03:21:50 cooler has left #swhack 03:29:04 rillian has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:04 xena has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:04 tansaku has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:04 em has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:14 and off they go 03:29:57 tansaku (~sam@h131-171.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 03:29:57 em (~em@dhcp065-024-049-132.columbus.rr.com) has joined #swhack 03:29:57 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:29:57 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-92-87.knology.net) has joined #swhack 03:30:18 rillian has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:30:18 xena has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:30:35 well, this is great fun. Huge netsplits 03:30:44 heh 03:34:05 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-92-87.knology.net) has joined #swhack 03:34:05 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:35:54 .wn Perl 03:36:10 ah, the word Perl does not exist 03:36:13 .wn Python 03:36:14 python defined as: 03:36:15 - n 1: large Old World boas 03:36:16 - 2: (Greek mythology) dragon killed by Apollo at Delphi [syn: {Python}] 03:36:26 I think you mean Pearl. 03:36:27 :) 03:36:28 Python does, but does not have a correct definition 03:36:37 .wn Java 03:36:39 Java defined as: 03:36:39 - n 1: an island in Indonesia S of Borneo; one of the world's most densely populated regions [syn: {Java}] 03:36:40 - 2: a beverage consisting of an infusion of ground coffee beans; "he ordered a cup of coffee" [syn: {coffee}] 03:36:41 - 3: a simple platform-independent object-oriented programming language used for writing applets that are downloaded from the World Wide Web by a client and run on the client's machine [syn: {Java}] 03:36:49 aaaaargh! 03:37:06 deltab has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 03:37:16 .wn C++ 03:37:16 c defined as: 03:37:18 - adj 1: of a temperature scale that registers the freezing point of 03:37:19 - water as 0 degrees C and the boiling point as 100 degrees C under normal atmospheric pressure [syn: {celsius}, {centigrade}] [ant: {fahrenheit}] 03:37:19 - 2: being ten more than ninety [syn: {hundred}, {a hundred}, {one hundred}, {100}] 03:37:20 - n 1: a degree on the Centigrade scale of temperature [syn: {degree Centigrade}, {degree Celsius}, {C}] 03:37:38 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 03:37:49 Is wn affiliated with Java or something? 03:40:03 Heh heh. 03:46:19 tansaku has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 03:47:54 Interesting: http://www.w3.org/Submission/2001/12/ 03:50:41 sbp, look at this: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html 03:50:43 heh heh heh 03:54:53 ouch, Lucent's claiming RQAND on DAML+OIL 03:58:37 err RAND 04:05:18 oh, that's neat - the little program that I stopped working on a while ago actually works 04:05:29 well, to some extent 04:05:31 which one is that? 04:05:42 er... the text thingy 04:09:17 tansaku (~sam@h131-171.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 04:14:07 [[[ 04:14:08 hello 04:14:08 hello 04:14:08 hello 04:14:08 hello [an octave higher] 04:14:09 ]]] 04:14:22 eww, xml.com spam 04:14:29 "LOOK FOR MORE CONTEST DETAILS January 8, 2002 !!!" 04:18:51 what happens when you want to publish an HTML document anonymously? 04:19:02 What do you mean? 04:19:10 Wow, Heddley was an HTML editor for the Amiga. 04:19:40 let's say that you write some huge missive, and you want to publish it anonymously. You also want to be able to update it. What are your options? 04:19:54 The Plex? No wait, that's not available yet. 04:19:54 Freenet? 04:19:58 Publius, too. 04:20:07 .google Publius 04:20:08 Publius is probably best. 04:20:12 Publius: http://publius.cdt.org 04:20:29 Publius has some over lap with P3P developers. 04:20:38 Lorrie Cranor is on both. 04:20:57 Yeah. I remember reviewing it 04:21:13 Reviewing Publius? 04:21:18 yeah 04:21:26 what for? 04:23:24 just for myself. Oh, not an "official" review 04:24:11 Well, if you publish something anonymously, be sure to drop me the URL. 04:26:39 lol 04:29:48 GabeW (~gwachob@12.236.92.153) has joined #swhack 04:33:46 Interesting how technology evolves at a steady rate, but that people in general can't be any smarter 04:35:21 well, it is 04:35:25 Gotta run 04:35:32 yeah 04:35:39 Moore's law from a computer's perspective 04:37:46 rillian has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 04:38:26 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 05:00:17 .seen zooko 05:00:18 zooko seen joining #infoanarchy ~ 4 day(s) 19 hr(s) 35 min(s) 10 sec(s) ago 05:08:44 lol: http://www.pygame.org/ftp/screenshots/perl_coder.jpg 05:47:08 .time 05:47:09 2001/12/19 05:48:42.483 Universal 06:08:24 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 14:34:39 deus_x (~deusx@nic-34-c160-7.mw.mediaone.net) has joined #swhack 14:46:41 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:52:56 It's SNOWING! 14:53:04 coool :) 14:53:10 AaronSw has changed the topic to: It's SNOWING! 14:55:38 finally! 14:56:13 it's kinda warm here now. 14:56:15 .weather concord, nh 14:56:16 no weather stations found for concord, nh 14:56:24 .weather2 concord, nh 14:56:25 [ CONCORD, NH ] : Temperature 36° F Windchill 30° F Humidity 70% Dewpoint 27° F Wind West at 8 mph Pressure 29.77 in Conditions Partly Cloudy Visibility 10 miles Clouds 14:56:36 .weather2 highland park, il 14:56:38 heh. well, trust me, its warm ;) 14:56:39 [ HIGHLAND PARK, IL ] : Temperature 33° F Windchill 24° F Humidity 92% Dewpoint 31° F Wind NW at 12 mph Pressure 29.81 in Conditions Light Snow Visibility 1 miles Clouds 14:56:53 .weather2 powell, oh 14:56:55 [ POWELL, OH ] : Temperature 40° F Windchill 33° F Humidity 83% Dewpoint 35° F Wind South at 13 mph Pressure 29.80 in Conditions Clear Visibility 9 miles Clouds 14:57:01 thanks xena :) 14:57:09 Pretty crazy. 14:57:23 Yesterday it's all clear, beautiful as can be. now it's snowing 14:58:20 wpw, my server sure had fun last night... 14:59:29 yeah, did you ever get your attbi stuff straighted out? you were gone for like two hours. 15:00:50 ha ha ha 15:01:17 it doesn't seem to have done it since last night. 15:01:56 ah, good 15:02:05 cos i sure missed all your antogonisms ;) 15:02:20 ugh, oracle died 15:04:38 i've contributed a lot of minor little nits to movable type. this is the first time i've done that for a non OSI projct. i feel dirty 15:08:05 man, i'm reading the scripting.com scriptingNews, and i'm still having a chuckle about that # being an image 15:08:33 heh 15:14:14 wait, so opera cmes out with a new mac browser today, but it's still 5.0? 15:14:24 really? i didn't know. 15:14:30 moz97 is supposed to be out friday. 15:14:31 [[[ 15:14:34 News 15:14:35 December 19, 2001 15:14:35 New Opera for Mac 5.0 Beta 5 for systems 7.5.3-9.2 and Beta 3 for Mac OS X introduces 30 day banner free period, cookie editor and several bugfixes. 15:14:41 ]]] - http://www.opera.com/mac/ 15:14:44 pffff. 15:14:49 opera 6 for pc rocks 15:16:06 [[[ 15:16:08 Covering My Ass: I recognize that it's quite likely that there's a prominent page that has all of these stats plus many more. I fully expect the response: "Yo, dude, haven't you ever been to www.scriptingnews.com/weblogstats/answersyourdumbfuckingquestions.html?" My defense: I've made a career out of being ignorant in public. 15:16:09 ]]] 15:16:23 http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger 15:16:39 Heh. 15:17:01 I met him briefly at P2PCon, but he disappeared before we could get a chance to really chat. 15:17:28 oh yeah? cool. i've chatted with him a few times. 15:17:30 email wise. 15:17:43 this site looks good: http://livingcode.manilasites.com/ 15:18:12 there's a sputnix B3 out, btw 15:18:21 has file uploads and mutliple downloads at once 15:18:32 when did that come out? i know i ahve one with file uploads, but i got that about a week ago, i thinkl 15:18:51 i dunno , i just looked last night and saw I was way behind 15:18:58 heh, heh: http://fourstones.net/Winer.html 15:35:37 "Hey, congratulations, BTW. You've become a First Tier O'Reilly pundit. If 15:35:37 there's _anyone_ who should write a bestseller, it's you!!" 15:35:44 heh, heh. :) 15:35:55 Who said that? 15:37:47 Perhaps you could win the 2001 Clay Shirky Rising Pundit Awards. 15:38:16 steve baldwin, long time friend. creator of ghostsites, co of netslaves, used to work at pathfinder, yadda yadda. 15:39:05 uh oh -- i brought the force quit dialog up and now whenever i click on something in it it beeps. 15:39:17 so i can't close it or close the application i want to 15:39:36 heh, heh. 15:39:46 can you force quit the finder from the doc? 15:40:06 it's not an option... 15:40:32 isn't it cmd-click? 15:40:42 you can something-click to get a force quit on the dock, i thought 15:40:55 ctrl-click? 15:41:09 there's a quit option for the other apps, but not the finder. 15:41:24 i can kill it from the therminal tho 15:42:44 ugh, it's still here 16:02:18 opera is cool except the scroll wheel on my mouse doesn't work 16:02:19 * AaronSw rebuilds his entourage db 16:02:26 heh, hhe. 16:03:36 well i do have 132,860 messages... 16:03:48 maybe this will speed things up a bit 16:03:55 how's the searching? 16:03:59 very fast 16:04:10 cool. i thought wes had problems with that. 16:04:14 it's just opening messages and stuff feels a little pokey. 16:04:25 i think he was doing searches across all mailboxes, which is slow 16:04:34 ah. 16:13:50 ygh, it disconnected again 16:21:52 gasp! 16:21:57 someone just called me a fiend! 16:21:57 http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=fiend 16:22:05 and said i matched taht discription in a lot of ways. 16:22:10 sniff, sniff. I'm hurt! 16:22:12 logster, where am i? 16:22:19 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-19#T16-22-12 16:23:14 heh 16:23:37 .wn fiend 16:23:40 fiend defined as: 16:23:41 - n 1: a cruel wicked and inhuman person [syn: {monster}, {devil}, {demon}, {ogre}] 16:23:42 - 2: one of the evil spirits of traditional Jewish and Christian belief [syn: {devil}, {demon}, {daemon}, {daimon}] 16:23:43 - 3: a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause) [syn: {fanatic}] 16:23:59 perhaps they meant sense 3 16:29:01 isn't it sort of ironic that google has a robots.txt disallowing most of its site 16:58:42 sbp (~sean@m989-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:00:13 howdy 17:00:18 Hi there 17:00:25 snow? 17:01:00 Snow! 17:02:20 Snow snow snow! 17:02:35 let i snow! 17:02:44 dammit. i lost my pen again. 17:02:48 i flipping hate losing my pen. 17:02:51 i feel so naked. 17:02:59 who needs pens when you have a computer? 17:02:59 now all i have is this crappy yellow hilighter. 17:03:08 pens are for doodling when i'm thinking. 17:03:49 I think I should take a US Flag with me to the UK, so I can burn it. 17:04:18 burn it here. 17:04:36 I'm trying to figure out if that's legal in IL. 17:04:41 its not any more important than me writing "icon" on a piece of apper and kneeling to it in the morning 17:04:54 heh heh 17:05:51 AaronSw: depends how much smoke is produced 17:06:03 heh... 17:06:07 heh, heh, heh 17:06:08 yeah, you may need a permit 17:06:28 "Hi, I'd like to apply for a permit to burn the Flag, please" 17:06:52 "no, i'm sorry, son, it's too dry out today. you go play communist some other day, eh?"" 17:07:23 in the UK, I mean 17:08:04 oh? 17:08:37 yeah, he's probably right. They don't care what you burn here, as long as it doesn't affect other people too much 17:09:02 ah, and that's the acridy smell of freedom, my friend ;) 17:09:58 it reminds me of the Ozzy Osbourne quote... 17:11:26 "There was an old wall, so I thought, OK, i'll take a pee on this wall, not knowing it was the shrine of fucking Texas. I was surrounded by marshals and shipped off to jail. This old guy was goin' crazy, shouting, 'How would you feel if I urinated on Buckingham Palace?' I said, 'I don't give a shit, I don't live there.'" - http://www.livejournal.com/users/dawnofdapenguin/ 17:12:02 Ozzy Osbourne, on pissing up the Alamo 17:14:45 I should send an email to the ACLUE about it... 17:14:56 "Dear ACLU, I plan to burn a flag to protest this war. Do you think this is OK? I live in Illinois." 17:15:16 why are you wanting to burn the flag, anyway? run out of firewood? 17:15:46 ah 17:15:56 wait, congress hasn't declared this is a war. 17:16:02 yeah 17:16:06 this is a war on terrorism. its like a war on peanut butter. 17:16:08 i guess it's a "conflict on terrorism" 17:16:17 because you know, its sticks to the roof of your mouth and pisses you off and crap. 17:16:22 like the war on p2p. 17:18:06 [[[ 17:18:07 [12:18] scattergirl: theoreticaly it's just a piece of cloth. but if you don't assign value to that then you might as well burn your dollars bills, too. personally i don't care if people burn flags, but the freedom you're talking about has been won off the lives of a lot of people - and to some, the flag is a symbol of that just as true as the value of paper money. 17:18:16 [12:19] Morbus: right, exactly. i'm not doubting that the flag means something to other people. so does religion. religion works because you subscribe to it, and having different ideas is great. 17:18:16 [12:19] Morbus: the flag doesn't work that way. the flag is forced on you cos you live in the western hemisphere. 17:18:17 ]]] 17:19:24 well, that's bollocks to a certain extent 17:19:30 why's that? 17:20:18 well, did you hear about that guy who burnt a Buddha? the reason that you burn it is important too; the most important factor, perhaps 17:20:40 the reason people burn the flag is _because_ they respect it -- because it symbolizes so much 17:21:01 quite true. 17:21:04 that's sacrifice 17:22:04 and welcome to Part II of "stating the obvious" 17:22:12 heh! 17:26:15 goddamn, i'm hungry. 17:27:55 * sbp too, and I've just eaten 17:28:30 flood! 17:28:30 [[[ 17:28:32 Session Start (ICQ - 2927491:scattergirl): Wed Dec 19 12:28:20 2001 17:28:32 [12:28] scattergirl: they burn it because they respect it? LOL!! Wow, that's quite the inventive use of brain cells there. I mean, I suppose I could do the mental gymnastics to see that as true, but who on earth is going to see you burn a flag and think "Wow man that guy's so respectful". Please. 17:28:32 [12:28] scattergirl: As far as burning buddhas, that's a whole other story, and not a fair comparison at all IMO. 17:28:33 [12:28] scattergirl: apples & oranges entirely. 17:28:35 [12:29] Morbus: heh, can i paste this in there? 17:28:37 [12:29] Morbus: i can see his respect point, actually. 17:28:39 [12:29] scattergirl: yah sure 17:28:41 [12:29] scattergirl: please. 17:28:43 [12:29] Morbus: he's saying that the power of the flag eqautes to thier power of discontent. 17:28:45 [12:29] scattergirl: i can see it too i just think it's juvenile. 17:28:47 ]]] 17:28:49 should i tell her how old you are? ;) 17:29:02 lol 17:29:11 i don't think that would be productive 17:29:17 heh, heh. 17:29:28 I mean, would I go in the center of town and burn a piece of paper that was blank? 17:29:28 hey, you know, i think i had a dream about you. 17:29:36 Eh? 17:29:49 Hmm: http://dack.com/war/bombs_away.html 17:29:57 seriously, i remember in my dream going to some website, and it was run by some kid who seemed smart. and i remember thinking "hmm, i wonder if AaronSw knows this guy" 17:30:01 that's all i remeber. 17:30:06 heh heh. 17:30:23 leaving soon to go to lunch. 17:30:28 "As far as burning buddhas, that's a whole other story, and not a fair comparison at all IMO." bollocks is it! It's about the most relevent point raised on the subject so far 17:30:53 tell scats to pick up her scattered girl and get it in here! 17:30:58 yeah 17:31:06 heh! i just told her that. 17:33:28 That'd make a cool occupation, actually. Suicidal button maker 17:33:56 how do buttons commit suicide? 17:34:02 explode, of course 17:34:22 of course, it's not the *buttons*, but the cotton that attaches them to the fabric 17:34:25 sbp, even read evil ernie? 17:34:32 if the tension on them is high enough, then kaboom 17:34:37 er... pointer? 17:34:39 [[[ 17:34:40 [12:34] scattergirl: i would - i've never been able to join irc cos of software problems 17:34:40 [12:35] scattergirl: perhaps you can help? (btw i find sbp irritating as hell today :D) 17:34:41 ]]] 17:34:43 its a comic. 17:34:44 heading out. 17:34:46 lol 17:35:09 odd, i guess she doesn't find you that way most days. 17:35:31 bizzare, in fact. What did I do wrong on other days? 17:35:53 i dunno, maybe she has a problem or something 17:36:13 yeah. Seems to be a case of "can't get your own way in an argument" to me 17:36:39 * sbp ducks 17:37:12 Then again, I'm the same way, so who am I to complain? 17:37:49 Heh 17:37:51 Ah, here's her cam: http://www.scattergirl.com/scatscan/cam.html 17:38:01 guess that about sums things up 17:38:08 lol! 17:38:36 * sbp hopes Morbus can at some point hook her up with IRC 17:39:15 if you'd have set up that POST thing, people could at least use a form 17:39:27 Hey, I did set up a POST thing! 17:39:34 I used it from the library, remember? 17:39:56 erm... did you? 17:40:02 Just because it doesn't do GETs... 17:40:05 yeah, cgi::irc 17:40:58 scats (~scats@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 17:41:12 ooh! 17:41:18 could it be? 17:41:20 urgh 17:42:11 scats has quit (Client Quit) 17:42:40 heh, we get a variety of introductions upon people joining #swhack... I'm not sure if that one beats Morbus' "fraggle rock", but it probably does 17:42:53 Heh heh. 17:43:14 cheerios (~cheerios@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 17:44:31 doesn't work so well 17:44:38 but at least it works 17:44:45 cheerios has quit (Client Quit) 17:44:45 of course "xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net" suggests otherwise. But I'll try to remain a state of blissful ignorance w.r.t. that fact 17:45:50 Hmm... if one hopped around in 3 metre diameter circles, how long would it tak ean average person to fall flat on their butts? 17:49:23 taking into account the fact that they are drunk 17:49:57 Perhaps this is one of those things that one can get government grants to study? 17:50:06 I think CWM would be useful for this. 17:50:17 well, you wouldn't study the grant. Stupid misplaced modifier 17:50:26 CWM: yeah, probably 17:50:41 s/to/with which to/ 17:54:05 Boy, my ISP is stupid. This is one of their frequently asked questions: "What Should I Know About Protecting My Family and Myself When Using the Internet?" 17:54:06 Well, umm, always wear radiation goggles. 17:54:08 Ooh. 17:54:10 "Be extremely cautious about meeting online acquaintances in person. If you choose to meet, do so in a public place and take along a friend." - My ISP 17:54:13 Sorry, sbp. Guess I can't visit you. 17:57:22 heh, heh, heh 17:57:41 well, we can meet in the park, and I presume you'll be dragging someone down with you? 17:57:58 likely so 18:00:13 i'll be sure to bring my gun 18:00:32 they're banned over here 18:00:43 they are? uck 18:00:55 heh, heh. So no shotting up the place and killing people. Sound fair to me 18:01:11 you guys need a bill or rights 18:01:18 i mean, you allow flagburning but no guns? 18:01:35 yeah. Pretty sensible. Much better than guns but no flagburning 18:01:58 that's what the republicans want 18:02:18 what, guns but no flagburning? 18:02:21 Yeah. 18:02:28 it's pretty funny -- Mr. Ashcroft doesn't believe in attorney-client privilege or anything, but he refuses to use gun registration databases. 18:02:30 well then, I rest my case 18:02:57 He voted for banning flagburning, but refuses any forms of gun control. 18:04:21 remember, guns don't kill people, burning flags kill people 18:04:28 lol 18:05:05 all the hits for "ashcroft genius" are about the Tory Party's Michael Ashcroft. 18:05:31 heh, heh 18:05:44 well, mostly Richard Ashcroft of England's Verve. 18:05:57 "Ashcroft's lyrical genius and flaring vocals" 18:12:33 odd. now the sun's out and the snow is melting 18:12:36 that was fast. 18:14:00 man, i missed scats. 18:14:29 did she leave? 18:14:46 no, I think he just missed her in general 18:14:47 well, i saw her pop in from the log 18:14:58 no, that wasn't her 18:15:03 oh, well, did you note the IP? 18:15:14 s/IP/IP address/ 18:15:15 that wsan't her? 18:15:24 no, 'twas Aaron 18:15:35 'twas logster 18:15:43 'twas Morbus 18:15:45 wait. shit. um. 18:15:52 dammit. i always screw this stuff up. 18:15:55 logster said "urgh"? 18:16:00 yeah. 18:16:09 yes, that's caveman logster. 18:16:09 it's a little known easter egg. 18:16:09 logster, say "urgh" 18:16:09 I'm logging. I don't understand 'say "urgh"', sbp. Try /msg logster help 18:16:18 hey, i can post to gamegrene via xml-rpc. oOOh. 18:17:04 * AaronSw posts to gamegrene via an XML-RPC security hole 18:19:18 sigh. my stupid AG queue is all full of dead files. and i've no time to rehunt them down. 18:22:49 What is that at the end of "I Feel Fine"? Sounds like a dog barking 18:22:57 .google "I Feel Fine" dog barking 18:22:57 oh joy. they added categories to syndic8. sigh 18:22:58 "I Feel Fine" dog barking: http://www.stevesbeatles.com/songs/i_feel_fine.asp 18:23:24 [[[ 18:23:25 End 18:23:25 In the fade out, people report hearing a barking dog. It's not a dog, but Paul freaking out and making woop/woof noises. Very realistic, but no dog! 18:23:26 ]]] 18:23:28 aha! 18:23:28 Heh heh. 18:25:47 I must admit that i've given up on Syndic8 18:27:46 i haven't been to the site in months. 18:27:54 i only show up in the chatroom cos i haven't modified by startup join. 18:35:44 deus_x has quit ("Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.0.1") 18:40:46 i think the collection of syndic8 feeds is good. 18:41:45 * sbp reads up about the "All You Need Is Love"/"She Loves You" debate, and is surprised by the result 18:48:06 what's the debate? 18:48:14 .google "All You Need Is Love"/"She Loves You" debate 18:48:15 "All You Need Is Love"/"She Loves You" debate: http://www.pootle.demon.co.uk/beatles/aynil.htm 18:52:07 listening to the MP3 of the center channel, it's rather clear 18:52:22 who do you think it is? 18:53:48 it's clearly Paul to start with, and then John joins in. You can't hear it clearly on the MAgical Mystery Tour version, except for the slight resonance due to the difference in pitch of their voices (the crackle) 18:54:28 s/MAgical/Magical/ 18:55:09 I was rather sceptical until I listened to the MP3. I'm just working out how to process it myself 18:56:21 neat 18:59:58 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 19:18:23 rillian (~giles@user-24-214-92-87.knology.net) has joined #swhack 19:19:00 hey rillster. 19:19:09 morbus, bots 19:19:30 how's your coherence length today? 19:19:53 six or seven words max. 19:19:59 trying to sentence fragment. 19:20:01 working well? 19:20:19 well enough that 19:20:28 good, good. 19:20:43 understanding comes to 19:20:49 more or less what? 19:21:25 lack of confusion, perhaps. 19:21:40 perhaps 19:22:13 PFPS: "the HTML standard is not really about getting applications to exchange information, it is about getting browsers to put pixels on display devices or, perhaps, getting some other interface software to present content in some other human-accessible manner." 19:22:16 I disagree with that. 19:23:19 i do as well. 19:23:29 i gotta head out. 19:23:33 back in an aol. 19:23:37 in an hour, rather 19:25:33 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:59:17 sbp (~sean@m496-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 19:59:57 * AaronSw catches up on WG business, threatens to complete 2001-12-14#9 20:00:33 2001-12-14#9? 20:00:45 an ACTION assigned to me. 20:04:38 Cool: ÄLYKÄS WWW SUOMESSA 20:07:56 Cool, I just found an early draft of one of my better songs 20:08:04 Neato. 20:09:07 I played Stu the N-series either yesterday or the day before... I think he liked them 20:13:57 .time 20:13:58 2001/12/19 20:15:31.9473 Universal 20:17:40 * sbp does a lot of mixing on "All You Need Is Love" 20:19:23 yep, John definitely joins in 20:48:30 Sort of a sad story: http://dqd.com/~mayoff/other-authors/coming-crisis.html 20:56:08 Yes, it is 20:56:37 rillian has quit ("lotr") 20:56:43 [[[ 20:56:43 RDF/XML Syntax Specification (Revised) 20:56:43 what do you think about it? 20:56:43 lol 20:56:43 I wrote it 20:56:46 ]]] - #rdfig 20:56:50 Heh heh heh 21:00:43 The Web Archive rocks! 21:01:16 yes, it does. You are correct. Right on 21:01:42 how did you come to this startling conclusion? 21:01:58 because Yahoo sucks. 21:02:14 I take it that they broke a page 21:02:25 they break their news links as a matter of principle 21:02:44 maybe policy 21:09:29 sbp, you free tomorrow AM? 21:09:34 EST time 21:17:27 it's so crazy here, now it's perfectly clear and almost all the snow is gone. 21:17:46 AaronSw has changed the topic to: It stopped SNOWING! 21:21:03 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 21:21:55 sbp (~sean@m265-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 21:22:55 Morbus (~Morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 21:23:04 aw, no more snow? 21:23:07 "Sit back and let the evening go" 21:23:15 * sbp plays Sgt. Pepper's 21:23:23 No, the sun came and melted it all. 21:29:58 well, that's lame. 21:29:59 stupid sun. 21:32:10 yeah 21:34:42 .translate eng-ger hello 21:34:54 hallo 21:35:02 heh 21:35:23 sbp stars in "Xena for a Day 21:35:24 " 21:35:28 heh, heh, heh 21:37:12 "She's Leaving Home" 21:37:27 Hmm... I wonder what the best song on Sgt. P's is? 21:40:13 error: Site Error occurred: IndexError 21:40:34 ooh, that was quick. And what a marvellous result for such a simple translation 21:40:38 heh 21:40:46 blame tav 21:41:26 I do 21:42:00 * sbp skips to Lovely Rita, heh, heh 21:42:30 logster, grep Lovely Rita 21:43:04 I'm logging. I found 5 answers for 'Lovely Rita' (showing 0...4) 21:43:05 0) 2001-12-19 21:42:30 logster, grep Lovely Rita 21:43:06 1) 2001-12-19 21:42:00 * sbp skips to Lovely Rita, heh, heh 21:43:07 2) 2001-12-06 17:05:52 * AaronSw plays "Lovely Rita" 21:43:08 3) 2001-12-06 17:03:08 Needless to say, I am now banned from playing "Lovely Rita" 21:43:09 4) 2001-12-06 17:01:29 My Mum had a sleepless night last night... apparently, she kept waking up singing "Lovely Rita, Meter Maid", and it drove her nuts. She only got three hours sleep! 21:43:11 hee hee, i found a hole in member-confidentiality! 21:43:17 a hole, you say? 21:43:27 Google's caching Member-Confidential pages! 21:43:28 Yes! 21:43:34 it is? oh, wow 21:44:02 from Nov. 5 21:44:06 that's awesome! 21:44:09 oh shoot, e* is here. 21:45:05 shoot? 21:46:11 member confidentail pages? 21:46:57 tail? 21:47:08 -f? 21:49:48 em is now known as em_away 21:50:04 uh oh. he's coming to get you. 21:50:14 heh 21:50:20 heh, heh, heh 21:56:02 sbp has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 22:00:37 @ http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/chaffing.txt 22:01:14 D: http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/chaffing.txt from AaronSw 22:01:26 D:|Chaffing and Winnowing: Confidentiality without Encryption 22:01:26 D::By Ronald L. Rivest 22:01:27 titled item D 22:01:29 commented item D 22:01:29 D::Fascinating! 22:01:31 commented item D 22:01:57 wwhoohoo. 22:02:01 now i have 38 bookmarks to read. 22:02:03 thanks AaronSw :) 22:02:08 Heh heh. 22:02:18 started the ora p2p book last night. 22:02:25 The basic idea is that you send a bunch of malformed packets in with the good one. 22:02:25 finished the learning xml. 22:02:29 cool 22:02:36 did you hear about the ... ... seti@home sort of thing based on packets? 22:02:40 yeah 22:02:45 that was pretty cool 22:02:46 lemme try to desc... oh. ok. 22:03:07 this uses the same ability 22:03:28 ahh. 22:03:38 so the other side throws away the bad packets 22:03:43 maybe i should alphabetize my bookmarks to elevate that one ;) 22:03:57 but any snoops don't know the shared password so they don't know which packets are good or bad 22:03:57 i've got a bunch of ibm dW ones after this chi-web crap 22:04:08 and the government can't outlaw it since there's no encryption going on -- everything is in the clear. 22:05:13 and the generator of the bad packets doesn't need to know the key 22:05:15 was there ever any response to the thing about aimster? and encrypting the traffic, so that if the gov decrypted to trace, they'd be breaking their own law? 22:05:24 heh heh 22:05:29 did you hear of that? 22:05:30 no, i've not heard much on that 22:05:45 cool idea, tho 22:05:47 yeah, it was a big thing in response to napster being told to filter the results. 22:06:11 i never heard much of it after the initial "ha ha" announcement. 22:11:37 anyway, i'm going thru my 300 bookmarks that i need to read 22:11:41 and that was a really good one 22:11:55 you should send them off to me. i'll probably find some good ones. 22:12:02 actually kearney and i were talking about this 22:12:10 about mailing bookmarks around? 22:12:16 it would be neat to have a script that would blog a designinated bookmark folder. 22:12:31 you would throw "in transit, new to me, must read" into that folder, and it would blog to a site. 22:12:44 yeah 22:12:44 which works wonderfully for me - i would love a selfupdating thingy like that. 22:12:51 i read more than i comment. 22:13:10 it wouldn't relaly be that hard to do iether. 22:13:19 the bookmark code already exists in my syncasaurus. 22:13:26 would probably only take me an afternoon to code something up. 22:13:35 just finding an afternoon is hard :( 22:13:48 whatever happened to bookmarkasaurus? 22:13:59 what was the real name? 22:14:04 its the same place it was last time. (syncasaurus). 22:14:07 ah 22:14:12 last time? 22:14:17 basically, i'm using it to convert my bookmarks to xbel, and then email it off to my home machine. 22:14:26 neat 22:14:28 the things stopping it from a first release: monitoring code, ftp transaction. 22:14:42 the ftp shell is already built, just need to write some up, down, changelog sort of stuff. 22:14:53 and the monitoring code is relatively easy for single files, but has some problems with IE's /Favorites/ 22:16:16 http://www.geocrawler.com/mail/thread.php3?subject=%5Bsyncasaurus-develop%5D+Is+the+current+CVS+supposed+to+work%3F&list=16261 22:16:39 you can read that for an example of how to use it as is. the code described is pretty near what i use to hoof it back and forth through email, conversion scripts on both ends. 22:16:48 ok 22:37:40 Morbus has left #swhack 22:59:26 sbp (~sean@m755-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 23:05:08 We got Zakim! 23:05:52 yep, sure did 23:09:02 man, the spam filter on entourage is really goofd 23:09:04 err good 23:15:58 so, how is the going of it? 23:16:10 fine in many respects 23:16:34 that is wonderful. I am indeed enpleasured by your remark 23:16:44 Morbus (~Morbus@s126.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 23:17:11 do you have the desire to enpleasure me by reciprocating the request? 23:17:17 AaronSw, do you know if the SetFileInfo shell utility can set dates? 23:17:41 i would think you could do that with normal unix utils 23:18:24 ah, that is a wonderful suggestion. Yes, I am also under the impression that the things that go are fine in many respects. And I feel exquisite because of that 23:19:01 I shall now attempt to stop talking like an utter idiot, and instead enjoy the pleasures of annoying Mr. Morbus Iff, who recently entered into our company 23:19:13 cheerio 23:19:14 yo, Morby, WTF are you talking about now? 23:19:19 touch -d 23:19:30 touch -t on mac os x 23:19:43 cool! heh. 23:22:14 Interesting: http://www.coworks.net/johan/fydra/ 23:22:18 sort of gnutella for rdf 23:26:00 @ http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/11/15/creatingrss.html 23:26:02 E: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/11/15/creatingrss.html from sbp 23:26:09 E:|Create RSS channels from HTML news sites 23:26:10 titled item E 23:26:23 sean: http://63.173.138.156/~morbus/ 23:26:50 check out the numbered jpegs 23:27:49 hey, Maya 23:28:07 E::See also [syndicate your page|http://logicerror.com/blogifyYourPage] 23:28:08 commented item E 23:28:08 heh heh 23:28:31 yeah, I thought that the parallel was a bit spooky 23:29:03 and also, the "woz ere" thing... spooky :-) 23:29:09 :) 23:29:35 I sorta know the guy who wrote that perl.com article. 23:29:53 this system looks complicated: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/ctkwok/paper/img1.gif 23:30:12 AaronSw, yeah, i met that guy over in infoanarchy 23:30:16 he thought ampheta was neat :) 23:30:21 heh 23:30:43 he did some of the RSS stuff for FAST 23:37:13 * AaronSw heads to dinner 23:43:34 tav (tav@host217-34-83-190.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 23:44:37 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m32-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 23:45:05 sbp (~sean@m32-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 23:55:45 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:56:16 * sbp invites y'all to join gro-ident, at yahoogroups 23:56:24 er... geo-ident