IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-16

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:04:42 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. The new code appears stable. We'll let you know if we see any problems. Thanks again for your patience.
01:19:31 [AaronSw]
@ http://catalogs.google.com/
01:19:35 [chumpster]
A: Google Catalog Search from AaronSw
01:20:03 [deltab]
how'd you find that?
01:20:07 [AaronSw]
just a sec...
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
A::Will Google ever stop? Coming next week: [stalker.google.com|http://stalker.google.com/], [warez.google.com|http://warez.google.com/].
01:20:23 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:20:57 [AaronSw]
A::via [Dave|http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2001/12/15#l5e80bdd46f5056601df78f775f417432], [Lawrence|http://radio.weblogs.com/0001013/2001/12/15.html], [JD|http://jd.manilasites.com/2001/12/14#Google]
01:20:58 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:21:41 [AaronSw]
A::Lawrence: "And the very cool part is that the catalog includes what Google does best: search. [...] get this, all the words are highlighted on the image. That's some mighty fine optical character recognition."
01:21:42 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:23:02 [AaronSw]
A::Sergey Brin (Google Co-founder) [comments|http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,401419,00.html]: "In the future, Google will be your interface to all the world's knowledge - not just web pages."
01:23:02 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:24:14 [AaronSw]
A::Their optical character recognition is quite impressive. It even finds [words in logos|http://catalogs.google.com/catalogs?q=klutz].
01:24:15 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:27:28 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.google.com/news/newsheadlines.html
01:27:32 [chumpster]
B: Google News Headlines from AaronSw
01:27:51 [AaronSw]
B::I wonder if this is RSS-powered.
01:27:52 [chumpster]
commented item B
01:31:25 [AaronSw]
A::It'd be really cool if Google started doing price comparisions...
01:31:25 [chumpster]
commented item A
01:48:35 [AaronSw]
Google Zeitgeist makes for great trivia questions...
01:48:45 [AaronSw]
deltab, quick, what's the most popular day of the week for Googling?
01:50:42 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is wearing his "I'm Feeling Lucky!" shirt, BTW.
02:07:03 [sbp]
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02:07:29 [sbp]
TSRTS was kick-ass! I'm still jamming now...
02:10:23 [sbp]
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02:15:11 [sbp]
* sbp waves; anyone here?
02:27:23 [deltab]
hey, Zeitgeist now has better alt text
02:29:03 [sbp]
@ http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/exceedance.htm
02:29:10 [chumpster]
C: http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/exceedance.htm from sbp
02:29:13 [sbp]
C:|An Exceedance of Impactful Ignorals
02:29:13 [chumpster]
titled item C
02:29:44 [sbp]
C::"""For the first time in history, large numbers of people, of widely varying educational standards, are able to make the results of their writing available to anyone who cares to enquire."""
02:29:45 [chumpster]
commented item C
02:30:53 [sbp]
C::Discusses how phenomic words are invented, and spread through the Internet
02:30:54 [chumpster]
commented item C
02:30:59 [AaronSw]
woot! I got an iPod!
02:31:03 [sbp]
better alt text - good
02:31:11 [sbp]
heh, lucky you!
02:31:34 [AaronSw]
It's so small.
02:32:33 [AaronSw]
I'm really surprised they actually bought one.
02:32:45 [sbp]
"they"?
02:32:53 [AaronSw]
The parents.
02:32:58 [sbp]
ah, them
02:35:58 [sbp]
where have the "others" gone? hazmat, tav, and so on?
02:36:24 [AaronSw]
must have been lost in the splits
02:36:52 [AaronSw]
ugh, i keep getting privmsgs from ms comic chat users
02:37:09 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
02:37:14 [sbp]
why's that?
02:37:19 [AaronSw]
i dunno
02:37:39 [AaronSw]
ok, need to reboot
02:37:46 [sbp]
perhaps you did something to enrage MS, and they put a bit of code in to automatically pmsg you
02:37:49 [sbp]
O.K., c'ya
02:37:51 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
02:37:58 [AaronSw]
"wanna chat"
02:39:18 [AaronSw]
bbbiab
02:39:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
02:41:58 [em-lap]
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02:47:43 [sbp]
* sbp waves to em
02:49:08 [em-lap]
* em-lap returns waves to sbp... hopes all is well
02:49:41 [em-lap]
* em-lap waits while downloading email... shudders
02:50:31 [em-lap]
sbp, i really like you rdfprimer into btw.
02:50:48 [em-lap]
s/into/intro
02:50:52 [sbp]
thanks
02:51:04 [sbp]
I should write a little more...
02:51:11 [sbp]
I've been working a bit on EARL, though
02:51:35 [em-lap]
* em-lap appreciates efforts on both fronts :)
02:52:02 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:53:13 [em-lap]
whats the current status of EARL implementation? seems Annotea could be an easy installation of EARL
02:54:23 [sbp]
well, we've looked into the EARL/Annotea overlap quite often, and there has been some exchange between the groups... but not much work has come from those discussions. In general, the models are similar, but the goals differ immensely
02:54:57 [sbp]
Annotea can be used to store EARL, and is quite good as a means of linking reports to resources. But apart from that, they're fairly independent, concept-wise
02:55:35 [sbp]
EARL implementations are detailed on http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/ - there aren't a great deal yet, but some of Jim and Nick's stuff is really promising. I really like the EARL client
02:58:00 [em-lap]
thanks for the pointers... it seems to me that the annotea work is very similar to EARL; perhaps more review will help explain this to me... i think i'm viewing this more from the previos (early) participation in ICADD... third part reviews of content
03:00:30 [sbp]
I found it fun that today I started generating the documentation for EARL 1.0 directly from the RDF Schema, using the new "strings" function in CWM
03:05:56 [em-lap]
:)
03:06:36 [em-lap]
* em-lap wonders if i'm not seeing where sbp is sharing this information.. or if this is all local to sbp machines
03:07:47 [em-lap]
* em-lap thinks sbp seems to do all of his most interesting work around 3:00 am local time :)
03:11:17 [sbp]
.time
03:11:17 [xena]
2001/12/16 03:12:51.1797 Universal
03:11:31 [sbp]
yep, you appear to be correct :-)
03:11:55 [sbp]
er... the information is online - the spec. is at http://infomesh.net/2001/earl1.0/1.0spec.html
03:12:16 [sbp]
and the thing that I used to generate the documentation is at http://infomesh.net/2001/earl1.0/getdoc.n3
03:13:22 [sbp]
* sbp is still buzzing from TSRTS - what a film (if you're a Zep fan)
03:14:00 [em-lap]
ohh... tell more
03:14:06 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
03:14:41 [sbp]
TSRTS - The Song Remains The Same. A film about Led Zeppelin, with tons of live footage of them playing in Madison Square garden, 1976-ish
03:15:19 [sbp]
They rarely show it on T.V., and strangely enough, I was just talking about it today with my Mum... she was flicking through the T.V. listings, and there it was! We couldn't believe it
03:15:32 [AaronSw]
Sorry, they said "(#G010E010M2TAaronSw) u want chat"
03:15:44 [sbp]
lol @ "u want chat"
03:16:23 [em-lap]
err... this has been our for quite some time, no? :) (and yes, i'm consitantly amazed over and over)
03:16:38 [sbp]
it was nice being able to pretty-well match Page when he played The Rain Song
03:16:47 [sbp]
has been our what?
03:17:56 [em-lap]
* em-lap confused by sbp's reference to matching Page...
03:18:01 [em-lap]
do you play?
03:18:08 [sbp]
yes, I do. Of course :-)
03:18:26 [AaronSw]
Was that you playing on the phone other day?
03:18:30 [AaronSw]
On the telecon
03:18:35 [em-lap]
* em-lap adds this to the reasons to visit :)
03:18:43 [AaronSw]
heh
03:18:44 [sbp]
yes. I was playing TSRTS (the song), in fact!
03:18:52 [AaronSw]
Wow, he plays quite well too!
03:18:56 [sbp]
I couldn't match SIBLY, though. Some of that scared the crap out of me
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03:21:03 [em-lap]
heck sbp... TSRTS scares the crap out of me and this in nothing in comparison to SIBLY :)
03:21:21 [em-lap]
* em-lap notes that he (personally) stinks in comparison
03:21:50 [sbp]
fellow Zep fan, then, em? Anyone who recognizes the acronym SIBLY for what it is gets my vote :-)
03:22:18 [em-lap]
err... honestly, i'm a bit surpised by the reference :)
03:22:42 [AaronSw]
.acronym sibly
03:22:43 [xena]
sibly:
03:22:47 [AaronSw]
hmmph
03:23:21 [sbp]
I note that Page played TSRTS in modal tuning (I would say G, but the stage performances were always higher - I had the capo on the third when I was playing along, but I don't know how out of tune my guitar was in the first place). So I've gotta re-learn TSRTS in modal tuning now :-)
03:23:40 [em-lap]
damN!
03:23:55 [em-lap]
* em-lap increasingly impressed with sbp's diversity :)
03:24:11 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:24:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw feels outdated
03:24:42 [sbp]
I could play more things in alternate tunings when I was just getting started than I could in normal Spanish Tuning :-) Learning Bron-Yr-Aur was wonderful (although difficult)
03:24:44 [em-lap]
don't worry AaronSw... em is feeling dated :)
03:25:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders why his iPod isn't mounting... grr
03:25:23 [sbp]
.google SIBLY Zeppelin
03:25:24 [xena]
SIBLY Zeppelin: http://hedgerow.net/faq.htm
03:26:09 [em-lap]
:)
03:26:15 [em-lap]
* em-lap thanks sbp and xena
03:26:38 [sbp]
good ol' xena, where would we be without her?
03:26:50 [em-lap]
* em-lap jealous re AaronSw's iPod
03:27:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is quite surprised to have one!
03:27:16 [em-lap]
* em-lap has hardware envy
03:28:27 [em-lap]
* em-lap sighs at the silly dublincore email that he find in his inbox.... arrggg
03:28:48 [sbp]
iPod - does it have as much stoage space as we had feared?
03:29:06 [AaronSw]
How much is that?
03:29:07 [sbp]
yeah, some of the recent DCMI stuff has been great
03:29:37 [sbp]
5GB?
03:29:42 [em-lap]
* em-lap thinks sbp:great != em:great
03:29:43 [AaronSw]
yep, sure does
03:30:27 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw thinks sbp was using sarcasm
03:30:33 [em-lap]
* em-lap thinks his nomad II seems inadequate :)
03:30:38 [sbp]
sbp:great [ swn:converse daml:equivalentTo ] em:great .
03:30:41 [em-lap]
:)
03:30:56 [sbp]
great: as in "hillarious" great
03:31:01 [em-lap]
yep
03:31:04 [em-lap]
sigh..
03:31:51 [sbp]
* sbp has been writing something about SW links... but not going so well. Welcomes reviews: http://infomesh.net/notes/swlinks/
03:32:14 [em-lap]
concensus is a good thing... in general... but design by concensus is dangerous
03:32:29 [sbp]
I should cover check.n3, but I can't get the damn thing to work... aaargh! llyn.URIError, or something
03:32:51 [sbp]
yeah, very much agreed. It's usually best to have a core devoted design group
03:33:45 [em-lap]
yup
03:36:30 [em-lap]
* em-lap is reminded this irc is logged, and chooses to delete is dc blast
03:36:51 [em-lap]
but it felt good to type it :)
03:37:11 [em-lap]
* em-lap tempted to blast with #
03:38:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw curses iPod some more
03:38:18 [sbp]
curses?
03:38:24 [sbp]
what happened?
03:38:51 [AaronSw]
it works fine with the OS 9 machine, but it seems to be ignored by my mac os x laptop
03:41:21 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: If it goes Aaron's way, it's here to stay
03:51:03 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw plays some more breakout on his iPod
03:51:09 [AaronSw]
.webster temazepam
03:51:17 [AaronSw]
.wn temazepam
03:51:36 [AaronSw]
silly xena
03:51:43 [AaronSw]
"A benzodiazepine derivative that is primarily used to treat insomnia."
03:52:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grabs his things to do in londlon list
03:52:32 [sbp]
1) Stop calling it londlon
03:52:39 [AaronSw]
Heh.
03:52:58 [AaronSw]
- Cabaret Mechanical
03:52:58 [AaronSw]
- Calaba
03:52:58 [AaronSw]
- sean
03:52:58 [AaronSw]
- ILRT
03:52:58 [AaronSw]
- tav
03:53:13 [sbp]
Pff... I'm third on the list?
03:53:20 [AaronSw]
it's not in order
03:53:24 [sbp]
aha
03:53:32 [AaronSw]
you're obviously number 1
03:54:02 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw mails Ian Davis
03:54:12 [sbp]
Hooray, #1!
03:55:38 [sbp]
.google "Ian Davis"
03:55:39 [xena]
"Ian Davis": http://www.iandavis.tv
03:56:39 [sbp]
if that's the guy, tell him that his splash page ranks 8/10 on the suck-o-meter
03:56:49 [sbp]
"click on the T.V." indeed...
03:56:58 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh/
03:57:02 [AaronSw]
I don't believe it is.
03:57:05 [AaronSw]
.google ian davis rdf
03:57:06 [xena]
ian davis rdf: /url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://internetalchemy.org/&e=747
03:57:12 [AaronSw]
that's him
03:57:20 [AaronSw]
founder of calaba too, as i recall
03:57:28 [sbp]
what's up with xena and those search results?
03:57:34 [AaronSw]
It's Google
03:57:37 [sbp]
(other guy appears to be a cool artist, though)
03:57:52 [AaronSw]
Google's trying to guage how often people click on links and when.
04:01:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
04:02:27 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
04:03:17 [AaronSw]
grrr...
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04:12:34 [sbp]
Grpgrpgrmgph @ sporadic disconnections
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04:14:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw find iPod help on apple's boards
04:26:11 [sbp]
it's quite a scary little thing, really. 5GB, and only the size of a deck of playing cards? Hmm...
04:27:31 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:38:21 [AaronSw]
It seems to make a nice hard drive.
04:43:51 [sbp]
can it send email?
04:44:06 [AaronSw]
Heh
04:44:12 [AaronSw]
Not with the builtin software.
04:44:32 [sbp]
Pff - it's worthless, then :-)
04:45:32 [sbp]
I want a little handheld deeley that can send and recieve email, and has a little IRC client. That'd be cool
04:45:48 [sbp]
and it should also be weightless
04:46:26 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:46:34 [AaronSw]
Palms do that except for the weightless bit...
04:46:50 [sbp]
ah, worthless, then
04:47:23 [AaronSw]
Literally weightless?
04:47:51 [sbp]
yeah; of, or having, no weight. No percieved effect of gravity upon the mass
04:48:10 [sbp]
weightless
04:48:24 [AaronSw]
I think it might take a while to get that.
04:48:44 [sbp]
couple of years?
04:49:38 [sbp]
I'd also like an electronic flying hamster, that can kinda follow you around, open locked doors, and is valid as currency in Uganda. If it could come in a choice of colors, that is
04:50:13 [sbp]
get building, Aaron
04:52:31 [sbp]
messages to www-archive seem to be growing exponentially, according to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/
04:54:03 [wmf]
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04:54:08 [sbp]
Wes!
04:54:12 [AaronSw]
Hi there
04:54:15 [wmf]
sbp!
04:54:22 [wmf]
how goes it, folks?
04:54:37 [wmf]
(catchy topic, BTW)
04:54:39 [AaronSw]
alrighty, how're you?
04:54:42 [sbp]
it goes quite well, thanks for asking. Aaron got an iPod, I watched TSRTS
04:55:09 [wmf]
I've been driving around a lot
04:55:11 [wmf]
in the rain
04:55:25 [sbp]
yeah, the topic refers to Aaron's Big-Brother-esque leanings
04:55:32 [sbp]
driving in the rain is great
04:55:56 [sbp]
in fact, probably worse than BB. Did BB log everything? I'll bet not
04:57:00 [AaronSw]
no, logging everything would be a liability
04:57:16 [sbp]
yeah. Not very goodthinkful
04:57:51 [wmf]
yeah, AaronSw only logs the stuff that incriminates other people
04:58:00 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
04:58:03 [sbp]
:-)
04:58:15 [AaronSw]
My iPod doesn't like my TiBook. I'm rather upset about it.
04:58:24 [wmf]
maybe we should start calling him DonSw
04:58:30 [AaronSw]
Don?
04:58:42 [wmf]
but only if you can do an Italian accent
04:58:49 [AaronSw]
Ah.
04:58:50 [sbp]
ooh, poor baby. Your iPod and your TiBook are incompatable. Well, 'scuse me while I get a tissue
04:58:59 [wmf]
lol
04:59:11 [wmf]
my new car is fully compatible with me
04:59:37 [sbp]
make/model?
04:59:39 [AaronSw]
Pfft. It doesn't come home with you.
04:59:48 [wmf]
Acura RSX
05:00:02 [sbp]
.google Wes' new Acura RSX
05:00:02 [xena]
Wes' new Acura RSX: http://www.motorway.com/home/articles/pocketrockets.asp
05:00:24 [wmf]
sbp: not only was I driving in the rain, but in a brand new car whose controls I had no clue how to operate
05:00:50 [sbp]
heh, even better fun. How many dents?
05:01:02 [wmf]
it was a great usability test
05:01:12 [wmf]
I figured everything out in no time
05:01:43 [sbp]
the measure of a good car is if the clutch is smooth even with wet soles
05:02:15 [sbp]
or if it has a "Ferrari" badge plonked on the front. That's a good sign, too
05:03:27 [sbp]
s/plonked/[Italian for "crafted carefully"]/
05:06:59 [sbp]
.time
05:06:59 [xena]
2001/12/16 05:08:32.8968 Universal
05:07:29 [sbp]
.beats
05:07:30 [xena]
The time is @256 at the tone.
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05:32:50 [sbp]
lol!
05:32:54 [sbp]
@ http://www.tolerance.org/101_tools/declaration.html
05:33:02 [chumpster]
D: Tolerance.org: 101 Tools for Tolerance from sbp
05:33:31 [sbp]
D::"""I believe that America's diversity is its strength. [...] To help keep diversity a wellspring of strength and make America a better place for all"""
05:33:32 [chumpster]
commented item D
05:34:36 [sbp]
D::O.K., so, let me get this straight...
05:34:38 [chumpster]
commented item D
05:35:57 [sbp]
D::This site's one (commendable) goal is "tolarance for all cultures", and yet it has profoundly Americentric verbiage splattered on it. Can anyone say "hypocrisy"?
05:35:58 [chumpster]
commented item D
05:36:46 [sbp]
D::The coolest bit is that at the very bottom of the page are the words "We Share A World". I share a laugh
05:36:47 [chumpster]
commented item D
05:39:13 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.toad.com/gnu/verio-censorship.html
05:40:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw pokes chumpster
05:41:08 [sbp]
heh, heh
05:41:18 [chumpster]
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05:41:18 [AaronSw]
chumpster:unfoo
05:41:23 [AaronSw]
Great.
05:42:08 [sbp]
it didn't like that, all that much
05:42:20 [AaronSw]
I suppose nto.
05:42:29 [AaronSw]
It needs a good dose of free speech every now and then, I think.
05:42:32 [AaronSw]
logster, hello
05:42:36 [AaronSw]
good
05:42:39 [sbp]
yeah, damn straight
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05:42:58 [sbp]
Lisa: That's pretty spurious, dad
05:43:04 [sbp]
Homer: Why, thank you honey
05:43:13 [sbp]
heh, heh
05:43:17 [AaronSw]
Heh.
05:43:21 [sbp]
chump, chump, chump!
05:43:38 [AaronSw]
E::I support John in this 100%.
05:43:39 [chumpster]
commented item E
05:44:29 [AaronSw]
E::On many an occasion I've been able to use his toad.com SMTP server when I couldn't find any others. It's been extremely useful in protecting the rights of free speech to myself and many others, not to mention a useful Internet service in general.
05:44:31 [chumpster]
commented item E
05:45:39 [AaronSw]
E::Stomping out this sharing of resources simply makes no sense and I wish I could do more to stop the blackmailers and extortionists involved.
05:45:40 [chumpster]
commented item E
05:45:58 [AaronSw]
wmf's car: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$6653
05:46:21 [sbp]
heh, cool
05:47:20 [sbp]
this has become quite the "Free Speech, now!" activists channel, has it not?
05:47:27 [AaronSw]
Has it?
05:47:34 [sbp]
has it not?
05:47:52 [AaronSw]
Well, it's powered by free speech, isn't it?
05:47:59 [sbp]
'tis a good thing, if so
05:48:43 [sbp]
Ah, but are you really *free*? Isn't free-will just an illusion?
05:48:55 [sbp]
let me repeat that, just to make it obvious...
05:49:01 [AaronSw]
I think I need something to eat before getting into that discussion.
05:49:15 [sbp]
<sarcasm level="nearly infinite">Ah, but are you really *free*? Isn't free-will just an illusion?</sarcasm>
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05:49:33 [AaronSw]
Look what you did to poor wmf.
05:49:54 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh. He *obviously* can't take that much sarcasm
05:50:11 [AaronSw]
Bummer, looks like Cabaret Mechanical is closed.
05:50:19 [sbp]
could he *be* any less tolerant of my sarcastic ways?
05:50:21 [AaronSw]
They seem to have been kicked out of Covent Garden or something.
05:50:34 [sbp]
.google "Cabaret Mechanical"
05:50:34 [xena]
"Cabaret Mechanical": http://www.cabaret.co.uk
05:50:35 [AaronSw]
kick sbp sarcasm
05:50:43 [sbp]
heh, heh
05:50:45 [AaronSw]
err /kick sbp sarcasm
05:51:35 [sbp]
[[[
05:51:35 [sbp]
The exhibition is currently closed
05:51:35 [sbp]
for restoration.
05:51:41 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.cabaret.co.uk/about1.htm
05:52:05 [AaronSw]
I emailed them and they said that they are "still in a state of restoration."
05:52:33 [sbp]
could it *be* any more closed?
05:52:38 [sbp]
that's a shame...
05:52:59 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> couldn't take the sarcasm, eh, wes?
05:52:59 [AaronSw]
<wmf> I'm not up to a philosophical discussion
05:52:59 [AaronSw]
<wmf> or even listening to one
05:53:04 [sbp]
but, there are plenty of other things to do in London. You could spend a day on the tubes
05:53:11 [sbp]
heh, heh
05:53:57 [sbp]
ooh, ooh, visit Abbey Road!
05:54:03 [AaronSw]
Well, of course!
05:54:16 [sbp]
aw, man, can I come?
05:54:23 [AaronSw]
I dunno, can you?
05:54:32 [sbp]
erm...
05:55:08 [sbp]
* sbp decides to bail out of this particular thread of conversation
05:56:12 [AaronSw]
the email conversation on http://cryptome.org/ is pretty funny.
05:57:26 [sbp]
that is pretty funny
06:00:24 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/20011214.gif
06:01:50 [chumpster]
F: http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/20011214.gif from AaronSw
06:02:06 [AaronSw]
F:|A Special Thank-you
06:02:08 [chumpster]
titled item F
06:16:01 [sbp]
* sbp figures that he hasn't run a bot in ages, and lifts the bans on #sbp
06:18:29 [sbp]
* sbp notices the time, and decides to do that runny thing again
06:18:45 [sbp]
cool, that sounded risqué
06:19:16 [AaronSw]
Heh.
06:19:32 [AaronSw]
thanks for lifting the ban
06:19:32 [sbp]
it's the Aaron problem - wanting to use words whose common meanings have slaughtered any change of using the more obscure meanings
06:19:50 [AaronSw]
See.
06:20:13 [AaronSw]
I think my Firewire port is broken. That's why the iPod won't mount.
06:20:40 [sbp]
well, I don't know what a Firewire port is, so I can't help ya there...
06:20:49 [sbp]
.google "Firewire port" fix iPod
06:20:50 [xena]
"Firewire port" fix iPod: http://www.macfixit.com
06:21:05 [sbp]
but perhaps my friend Mr. Google...
06:21:22 [AaronSw]
It's a hardware thing.
06:21:28 [AaronSw]
Like a USB port, but really fast.
06:22:15 [sbp]
how much will a replacement/fix cost?
06:22:29 [AaronSw]
I dunno. I sort of doubt it's feasible.
06:22:51 [AaronSw]
It'll probably be really expensive, and will certainly require me sending my computer in, which will never ever happen.
06:23:05 [AaronSw]
:-)
06:23:13 [sbp]
Hmm... that's quite a big problem then
06:23:40 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it does suck.
06:23:46 [sbp]
so, sell your Ti to me for $10, and then put the money towards a brand new one
06:23:54 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
06:24:01 [AaronSw]
I'll be sure to drop it off when I'm in town.
06:24:03 [sbp]
* sbp is serious! :-)
06:24:10 [sbp]
hooray!
06:24:41 [AaronSw]
Well, at least I didn't fry my iPod like some people...
06:24:50 [sbp]
names?
06:25:06 [sbp]
ouch; frying an iPod. A sausage would have been much cheaper
06:25:18 [sbp]
and probably more edible too
06:25:57 [AaronSw]
Heh.
06:26:12 [AaronSw]
Actually, I'm almost certain the port is broken now that I think about it.
06:26:35 [AaronSw]
That's really quite sucky.
06:29:38 [AaronSw]
i'm going to sleep before I get more depressed.
06:29:39 [AaronSw]
g'nite
06:29:42 [sbp]
* sbp waves to anyone readings the logs (possibly years from now)
06:29:44 [sbp]
c'ya
06:29:54 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves to above readers
06:29:57 [AaronSw]
'nite
06:30:07 [sbp]
oh dear, this is sad. Someone in a timezone six hours behind is going to bed before me
06:30:22 [AaronSw]
Not because I'm sleepy.
06:30:28 [AaronSw]
Only because I'm really upset.
06:30:34 [sbp]
I mean, sad on my part
06:30:45 [sbp]
and I hope you feel better tomorrow :-)
06:30:49 [AaronSw]
Heh.
06:31:01 [AaronSw]
I go to sleep at all hours.
06:31:17 [AaronSw]
9AM, 3PM, 3AM, etc.
06:31:23 [sbp]
heh, cool
06:31:53 [sbp]
anyway, 'night :-)
06:32:02 [AaronSw]
bye
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12:23:38 [robster]
:Brin users are the martyrs who have kindly allowed the rest of us to live in peace without irritating server bugs.
12:29:03 [robster]
:Brin users are the martyrs who have kindly allowed the rest of us to live in peace without irritating server bugs.
15:22:56 [AaronSw]
:Brin?
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* AaronSw battles evil server bugs
17:03:17 [sbp]
still there, eh?
17:03:21 [sbp]
.beats
17:03:22 [xena]
The time is @753 at the tone.
17:03:27 [AaronSw]
still here?
17:03:32 [AaronSw]
Where else would I be?
17:03:44 [sbp]
er... the bugs
17:03:51 [AaronSw]
Ah.
17:04:05 [AaronSw]
I'm here, but my server isn't.
17:08:13 [AaronSw]
Well i found the problem but it's totally random. Wow.
17:14:05 [AaronSw]
regular expressions like to hog my CPU or something
17:16:27 [AaronSw]
That's got to be one of the weirder bugs I've seen.
17:18:46 [deltab]
what is?
17:20:01 [AaronSw]
When I changed a regexp from [...]="rss:item"[...] to [...]="rss:?item"[...] it pegged the CPU at 100% and never died.
17:20:48 [deltab]
that was the only change?
17:22:24 [AaronSw]
Yep.
17:22:30 [AaronSw]
And when I changed it back, it went away.
17:22:42 [AaronSw]
So I switched it to (rss:item|rssitem) and I had the same problem
17:22:49 [AaronSw]
but rss[:o]item was fine
17:26:45 [deltab]
strange. What language was that in?
17:26:58 [AaronSw]
Tcl.
17:33:13 [AaronSw]
I made the change for Glenn. He responds: "No problem. Man, I hate that kind of programming thing. That's what makes you believe that software is alive, instead of a passive beast."
17:33:48 [AaronSw]
I reply: "Heh. Not only is it alive, but it also enjoys toying with small programmers. ;-)"
17:37:43 [AaronSw]
tansaku, do you have a weblog?
17:38:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes with http://home.att.ne.jp/red/gaijin/sam.html
17:44:26 [AaronSw]
Hmm, so now it still hits 80% CPU usage or so, but not for very long.
17:44:33 [AaronSw]
92%...
17:45:44 [AaronSw]
and then 9%
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17:50:31 [AaronSw]
@ http://www-csli.stanford.edu/%7Ejohn/procrastination.html
17:50:36 [chumpster]
G: Structured Procrastination from AaronSw
17:51:08 [AaronSw]
G::This article made me realize I'm a procrastinator, and many people I know are too. But it also told me how to deal with it.
17:51:09 [chumpster]
commented item G
17:52:15 [AaronSw]
G::I can't help but wonder if we are all procrastinators to some extent, and some of us just structure our tasks better than others.
17:52:16 [chumpster]
commented item G
17:53:07 [AaronSw]
G::If someone could find me a really important task that needs to be done yesterday, please let me know. I really do need to get back to work on the Plex. :-)
17:53:08 [chumpster]
commented item G
18:06:03 [AaronSw]
ugh, it's taking up all my cpu again
18:12:52 [AaronSw]
BLURB:iGot an iPod!
18:12:55 [chumpster]
H: iGot an iPod! from AaronSw
18:13:37 [AaronSw]
H::The first thing you notice is that it's so small. It's absolutely beautiful looking, and very easy to use.
18:13:39 [chumpster]
commented item H
18:13:50 [AaronSw]
H::The second thing you notice is that you got fingerprints *all over it*.
18:13:52 [chumpster]
commented item H
18:14:54 [AaronSw]
H::The third thing you notice is that Firewire is fast. It grabs an entire song in about a second. You can quickly throw all your songs onto it, and then do the same with the next computer you hook it up to. It has no copy protection features. (*Yes!*)
18:14:54 [chumpster]
commented item H
18:15:20 [AaronSw]
H::The last thing you notice is that the Firewire port on your TiBook is broken, and so you can't hook it up to your computer. (Arrrgh!)
18:15:21 [chumpster]
commented item H
18:15:58 [AaronSw]
H::So instead, I sit here and [play Breakout|http://www.macobserver.com/article/2001/10/26.12.shtml] on it.
18:15:59 [chumpster]
commented item H
18:23:54 [AaronSw]
H::Many thanks to you-know-who for such an awesome present.
18:23:56 [chumpster]
commented item H
18:24:03 [AaronSw]
no deltab, not vooldemort
18:24:29 [deltab]
uh, heh
18:28:54 [AaronSw]
So in Britain is it the Zed Object Publishing Environment?
18:29:39 [deltab]
no
18:29:53 [deltab]
it's "that thing"
18:29:57 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
18:39:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw realizes he can mount his iPod over the network
19:13:36 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/14/apache_two.html
19:13:40 [chumpster]
I: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/14/apache_two.html from AaronSw
19:14:01 [AaronSw]
I:|Apache Web-Serving with Mac OS X: Part 2
19:14:02 [chumpster]
titled item I
19:15:39 [AaronSw]
I::The [readers demand|http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/cs_msg/5170] an article about using Python. Take that, Kevin!
19:15:41 [chumpster]
commented item I
19:23:26 [AaronSw]
@ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CONNOLLY.95Sep22103458%40w3.org
19:23:30 [chumpster]
J: Google Search: from AaronSw
19:23:40 [AaronSw]
J:|Classic Connolly on Citing Sources
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titled item J
19:23:58 [AaronSw]
J::"Your argument will be so much more convincing if the reader can check your answer from independent sources. You'll build credibility. Quality of documents on the web will increase! World hunger will be eliminated!!!! Er... ahem..."
19:23:59 [chumpster]
commented item J
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* sbp learns bits of SIBLY
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* AaronSw returns
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* sbp waves
20:51:55 [sbp]
@ http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1007420517605&call_page=TS_Music&call_pageid=968867496921&call_pagepath=Entertainment/Music&col=969048868981
20:51:58 [chumpster]
K: Thestar.com/Covering all the basses from sbp
20:52:09 [sbp]
K::JPJ doing what JPJ does best
20:52:11 [chumpster]
commented item K
20:52:29 [AaronSw]
Heh, I can tell when someone tries to use the CWM service on my server because Python suddenly grabs the CPU.
20:52:54 [sbp]
K::"The Thunderthief" will be out soon; Feb 2002? Possible vocals on some of the tracks, according to the article
20:52:56 [chumpster]
commented item K
20:53:00 [sbp]
heh, heh
20:53:06 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:54:28 [AaronSw]
c'y
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21:16:11 [AaronSw]
"I could never sleep my way to the top because my alarm clock always wakes me right up." - "Hey Mr. JD, I Thought You Said, TMBG
22:08:53 [AaronSw]
From the it-would-be-funny-if-it-weren't-so-sad dept.: http://p3p.bigstep.com/
22:13:37 [sbp]
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22:13:48 [AaronSw]
Heh heh: http://www.craphound.com/misc/doubletree.htm
22:14:14 [sbp]
lol
22:14:55 [sbp]
that is rather funny
22:15:23 [sbp]
heh, heh: "The Career Path of Night Clerk Mike"
22:15:34 [AaronSw]
I love the odds of them returning.
22:16:34 [sbp]
yep, was just reading that and laughing
22:20:46 [AaronSw]
Heh: http://www.infosecnews.com/opinion/2001/11/28_03.htm
22:21:04 [AaronSw]
"""In what clearly was an effort to confuse me, the spare outside lines had been labeled "spare outside line.""""
22:22:07 [sbp]
s/."""/.\"""/
22:22:55 [AaronSw]
Hey, this isn't Python programming
22:23:02 [AaronSw]
I'll stick quotes where I feel like.
22:23:04 [AaronSw]
:-)
22:23:10 [sbp]
well stick this: "
22:23:16 [sbp]
:-)
22:36:29 [sbp]
that's a neat article
22:41:57 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
22:42:08 [AaronSw]
Now I'm reading the Wired article on Aspergers... http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers_pr.html
22:42:14 [AaronSw]
It's quite long.
22:47:37 [sbp]
interesting
22:52:06 [AaronSw]
"Swhack? No, we're not here to give j00 c00l crackz. "Swhack!" is the sound made when you hit someone with a clue-by-four, likely some l33t d00d." - http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
22:54:07 [sbp]
ugh
22:54:35 [AaronSw]
heh
22:57:39 [sbp]
so, how's the global RDF conspiracy going, Aaron?
22:57:46 [sbp]
oops, am I not supposed to mention that?
22:57:50 [AaronSw]
There Is No Global RDF Conspiracy.
22:58:05 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw simplifies http://blogspace.com/swhack/
22:58:12 [AaronSw]
Any suggestions for things to change/add?
22:58:40 [sbp]
a picture of a camel
22:58:50 [AaronSw]
Umm, no,.
22:58:56 [AaronSw]
They might think we're Perl people.
22:59:03 [sbp]
ooh, good point
22:59:07 [sbp]
a picture of a Python, then
22:59:51 [sbp]
yürdle?
22:59:55 [AaronSw]
What's our slogan?
22:59:58 [sbp]
er... hello?
23:00:03 [sbp]
Hmm... slogan...
23:00:05 [AaronSw]
"Irreverent, irrelevant commentary from people who used up the included batteries"?
23:00:19 [sbp]
nah, it has to be something witty
23:00:35 [sbp]
ah, how about "Something witty"
23:00:46 [AaronSw]
I was thinking "[imagine something witty here]"
23:00:54 [AaronSw]
We want people to use their imagination
23:01:20 [sbp]
eek, that's too dangerous. We don't want people to start thinking for themselves, now
23:01:34 [AaronSw]
"Because people talking to each other is dangerous."
23:02:09 [sbp]
too pro-liberalist/antidisestablishmentariant/fecky
23:02:22 [AaronSw]
Heh, ok -- that's our slogan then./
23:02:37 [sbp]
Aw...
23:02:56 [sbp]
Why do we even need a slogan? Who visits it, anyway?
23:03:08 [AaronSw]
I'm sure someone does.
23:03:12 [AaronSw]
Well, maybe not.
23:03:18 [sbp]
well, I do, but that doesn't count
23:03:55 [sbp]
swhack - serving you news without sloganity, since 2001
23:04:22 [AaronSw]
Heh.
23:04:39 [sbp]
swhack - serving some sense sans sloganity, since 2001
23:04:52 [AaronSw]
:-)
23:05:24 [sbp]
Pinching words from other languages to make something alliterative is pretty low, though
23:05:59 [sbp]
"Read this, and get out"
23:06:40 [sbp]
our current channel topic would make a good slogan, too
23:07:08 [AaronSw]
I was thinking of that...
23:07:22 [sbp]
heh, if you put "#swhack" in instead of "Aaron", it'd be "#swhack's way". Try saying that a few times
23:07:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw thinks this must be another joke that only makes sense with British pronounciation
23:08:10 [sbp]
possibly
23:08:33 [AaronSw]
I think I got the gist of it.
23:08:48 [sbp]
try to forget about it. Repress it
23:09:36 [sbp]
"Go #swhack yourself"
23:09:43 [AaronSw]
Wow, we didn't blog anything yesterday: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/12/15/
23:10:02 [sbp]
well, it's nice to have a day off now and then
23:10:12 [AaronSw]
I suppose so.
23:10:22 [sbp]
you could always make up some items if that happens
23:10:28 [sbp]
just have them randomly generated
23:10:38 [AaronSw]
Heh.
23:10:41 [AaronSw]
The topic was good though.
23:10:57 [sbp]
yeah
23:13:20 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: swhack: serving some sense sans sloganity, since 2001
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23:14:24 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:18:44 [sbp]
* sbp listens to "Battle Of Evermore"
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on No Quarter (unplugged)
23:23:03 [AaronSw]
I think I need to learn XSLT sometime.
23:23:50 [sbp]
* sbp puts on the studio version
23:24:04 [sbp]
XSLT: why bother?
23:24:37 [AaronSw]
To hack the Swhack XSLT scripts.
23:24:58 [sbp]
what's there to hack?
23:25:25 [AaronSw]
Well I want to create a file with the common code between the frontpage and archive xslts.
23:25:29 [AaronSw]
And I need to add permalinks
23:26:58 [AaronSw]
How do I turn 2001-12-16 17:50 into 2001/12/16/ in XSLT?
23:28:30 [sbp]
get the substring-before " ", and convert "-" to "/"
23:29:05 [sbp]
when in doubt: http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/xslfaq.html
23:29:05 [AaronSw]
translation to XSLT, please?
23:29:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw breaks lots of IDs
23:30:12 [AaronSw]
is "n1008363861.373415" a valid ID?
23:30:57 [sbp]
http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/sect2/StringReplace.html
23:31:41 [AaronSw]
No, he can't just give me the code. that'd be too easy, wouldn't it...
23:31:41 [sbp]
[[[
23:31:42 [sbp]
ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens ("-"), underscores ("_"), colons (":"), and periods (".").
23:31:49 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types#type-id
23:31:54 [AaronSw]
I take that as a yes.
23:31:56 [AaronSw]
Cool.
23:33:36 [AaronSw]
I'm not allowed to have name and id attributes with duplicate values, am I?
23:33:38 [sbp]
XSLT isn't like Python, where you can just give someone a few lines. It's XML, so it's naturally verbose. Quite useful, though
23:33:55 [sbp]
yeah, that's alright, but don't use @name
23:34:13 [AaronSw]
So I can do:
23:34:28 [AaronSw]
<div id="a"><h3><a name="a">foo</></></>
23:34:28 [AaronSw]
?
23:34:49 [sbp]
er... the @name and @id should be on the same element, really
23:34:57 [sbp]
but don't use @name
23:34:58 [AaronSw]
but i can't really do that.
23:35:09 [sbp]
why not? that's a bit silly
23:35:09 [AaronSw]
why not?
23:35:19 [sbp]
@name - what's the point?
23:35:21 [AaronSw]
because <div> doesn't have an @name attribute
23:35:26 [AaronSw]
@name: compatibility
23:35:34 [sbp]
so do <a id="a" name="a">
23:35:46 [sbp]
lol @ @name compatability. Who cares?
23:35:48 [AaronSw]
But I really want folks to refer to the div, not that silly link
23:35:55 [sbp]
so then get them to use id
23:36:00 [AaronSw]
heh heh.
23:36:06 [AaronSw]
You're not supposed to break the Web, silly.
23:36:24 [sbp]
you're not supposed to help the luddites either
23:36:59 [AaronSw]
I'm not? Why doesn't anyone tell me these things...
23:37:10 [sbp]
you gotta keep your ear to the ground
23:37:40 [AaronSw]
Ok, i think I have things working now...
23:41:39 [sbp]
heh, semipermalink indeed...
23:41:46 [sbp]
spl!
23:42:17 [sbp]
the verbiage doesn't copy over, BTW
23:42:58 [AaronSw]
What verbiage?
23:43:15 [sbp]
the comments about the items. Try following a semipermalink
23:43:17 [AaronSw]
Why does: <xsl:variable name="archiveURL"><xsl:value-of select="convert(substring-before($time, ' '), '-', '/'" /></xsl:variable> cause it to die.
23:43:32 [AaronSw]
s/./?/
23:43:51 [sbp]
what error message does it give?
23:44:03 [AaronSw]
none that i know of -- it just loses the rest of the text...
23:44:04 [sbp]
oh, you need an extra )
23:44:15 [sbp]
select="convert(substring-before($time, ' '), '-', '/')"
23:44:31 [AaronSw]
ah, thanks
23:44:47 [AaronSw]
hmm, still broken
23:45:53 [sbp]
you borked it!
23:46:10 [AaronSw]
you did!
23:46:19 [sbp]
I'm pretty sure it was you
23:46:32 [AaronSw]
<xsl:value-of select="convert(substring-before($time, ' '), '-', '/')" />
23:46:46 [AaronSw]
why does that bork things?
23:47:01 [sbp]
Dunno. Debugging XSLT is so fecky
23:49:49 [AaronSw]
probably because convert() isn't a function.
23:49:57 [sbp]
ah, that might be a problem
23:49:59 [AaronSw]
sbp feeding me misinformation
23:50:05 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
23:50:14 [AaronSw]
what's the function _really_ called?
23:50:18 [sbp]
well, there ya go
23:50:50 [deltab]
translate
23:51:01 [AaronSw]
ah, thanks deltab
23:51:40 [AaronSw]
Hmm, no...
23:51:57 [sbp]
as I always say...
23:52:04 [sbp]
"If in doubt, throw deltab out"
23:52:33 [deltab]
no? http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath#function-translate
23:52:36 [AaronSw]
It sounds right to me...
23:52:52 [AaronSw]
ah, it's in the XPath spec
23:54:22 [sbp]
I'm sorry: I must protest
23:55:15 [AaronSw]
What are you protesting?
23:55:26 [sbp]
nothing in particular. Why do you ask?
23:55:48 [AaronSw]
just curious
23:55:54 [sbp]
fair enough
23:56:56 [AaronSw]
Now it doesn't like <xsl:value-of select="substring-before($time, ' ')" />
23:57:45 [sbp]
use <xsl:variable name="archiveURL" select="substring-before($time, ' ')"/>
23:57:55 [AaronSw]
Ah.
23:59:01 [sbp]
.time
23:59:01 [xena]
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