IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-12

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00:09:07 [tav`]
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01:17:25 [sbp]
.google Sh FTP
01:17:27 [xena]
Sh FTP: http://bb4.com/bb/rest.html
01:29:52 [sbp]
neat, it worked
01:30:06 [AaronSw]
what did?
01:30:13 [sbp]
viz. "# neat, it worked" :-)
01:30:37 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:30:45 [sbp]
just hacking about with Python and FTP. Sean thanks you for your help (what help?)
01:32:34 [AaronSw]
no prob
01:36:31 [wmf]
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01:36:36 [wmf]
AaronSw?
01:37:34 [AaronSw]
wmf!
01:38:09 [wmf]
I'm trying to decide if I have to kill you or not
01:38:16 [AaronSw]
Why?
01:38:30 [AaronSw]
for stringing nonsense words together?
01:38:44 [wmf]
not only do you know too much, but you talk too much :-)
01:38:57 [AaronSw]
hey, you're the one who said it!
01:39:21 [AaronSw]
on your website
01:40:21 [AaronSw]
or are you talking about something else?
01:40:46 [wmf]
you should have let him keep guessing
01:41:04 [AaronSw]
but he said the same thing in the subject line
01:41:38 [AaronSw]
"sleep deprived award-winner"
01:41:59 [wmf]
he didn't know that the award was for the demo
01:42:18 [AaronSw]
he seemed to have figured that out according to the subject.
01:42:47 [wmf]
OK, I will let you live
01:43:01 [AaronSw]
i have changed post, now it's much funnier.
01:43:17 [AaronSw]
anyway, what's the big secret about this demo
01:43:19 [AaronSw]
?
01:43:33 [wmf]
LOL
01:43:44 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:43:46 [wmf]
I'm glad I don't have boring meetings
01:43:59 [wmf]
well, the whole project is secret
01:44:20 [AaronSw]
so you have boring secret meetings?
01:44:31 [wmf]
no
01:44:48 [AaronSw]
;-)
01:45:19 [sbp]
Sorry to interrupt you guys, but this is strictly a "Mr. Grape" discussion forum only: please read the topic. Comply, or get out
01:45:31 [sbp]
* sbp waves to wmf :-)
01:45:38 [wmf]
er, ok
01:45:47 [AaronSw]
lol
01:46:01 [AaronSw]
Mr. Grape is the codename for wmf's secret project.
01:46:04 [AaronSw]
Oops, I've said too much.
01:46:14 [wmf]
heh
01:46:22 [sbp]
Ah, I heard that Wes was working on something to do with Mr. Grape
01:46:22 [wmf]
we ARE looking for a codename...
01:46:55 [sbp]
He does know that all of this is publically logged doesn't he [apologies for speaking as though he wasn't here, once I got going on the sentence...]
01:47:10 [AaronSw]
No, I was trying to entrap him.
01:47:10 [wmf]
hmm
01:47:23 [AaronSw]
Now you've blown my cover, sbp. Blast you!
01:47:27 [sbp]
He he he
01:47:41 [wmf]
* wmf calls in an air strike
01:47:50 [AaronSw]
You're supposed to tell him that after he reveals the corporate secrets.
01:48:00 [AaronSw]
Uh oh, here come the black helicopters.
01:48:03 [sbp]
after? oh, feck
01:48:14 [wmf]
heh, as if they'd tell me that stuff
01:48:35 [AaronSw]
Wesley "Cog in the Machine" Felter
01:48:53 [sbp]
aah, Google will help me. Google knows about all this weird crap
01:48:54 [sbp]
.google Wesley Felter's secret project
01:48:56 [xena]
Wesley Felter's secret project: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-28.txt
01:49:01 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
01:49:03 [sbp]
Hmm...
01:49:09 [wmf]
uhh
01:49:10 [sbp]
s/Google/#swhack/
01:50:24 [wmf]
in this case, google doesn't live up to its reputation
01:51:04 [AaronSw]
there doesn't appear to be too much about it on the web
01:51:18 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Crowd around, and prod wmf until he reveals his new secret project! Revel in the wonderment - the next Ginger?
01:51:27 [AaronSw]
lol
01:51:36 [wmf]
better than Ginger!
01:51:44 [AaronSw]
Oooh.
01:51:46 [sbp]
ooh, this one flies, does it?
01:53:58 [sbp]
BTW, I'm afraid all #swhack utterances are legally binding. If your project does not end up as being "better than Ginger", per your quote, then #swhack reserves the right to sue the crap out of you. Sorry, I didn't make the rules (Aaron did! blame Aaron!)
01:54:18 [AaronSw]
Wait a second, when'd I make that rule?
01:54:23 [wmf]
* wmf has the dirt on AaronSw anyway
01:54:34 [AaronSw]
I don't have any dirt.
01:54:45 [AaronSw]
Except for the stuff on wmf.
01:55:07 [AaronSw]
I have this cool movie of him waving his head around going "pundit!"
01:55:16 [AaronSw]
I'm going to loop it and use it as blackmail.
01:55:17 [wmf]
heh
01:55:49 [sbp]
by sending it in the post, a frame at a time?
01:55:56 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh.
01:56:22 [wmf]
maybe I'll find the header of a QuickTime movie in my bed
01:56:29 [sbp]
lol
02:00:50 [tansaku]
What I can't believe is that Steve Jobs saw Ginger and said "they'll rebuild cities around this"
02:01:11 [wmf]
hey, he thought people woulg buy the Cube
02:01:27 [tansaku]
fair enough
02:03:09 [wmf]
I just realized that "roxio" sounds like skript-kiddie-speak
02:03:40 [sbp]
.nickometer roxio
02:03:41 [xena]
roxio has 0% lameness
02:03:55 [sbp]
xena seems to think that it
02:03:58 [sbp]
Grpgrpgh
02:04:05 [sbp]
that it's O.K., but nota bene:-
02:04:11 [sbp]
.nickometer xena
02:04:11 [xena]
xena has 0% lameness
02:04:17 [sbp]
It's clearly fucked
02:04:29 [deltab]
yeah
02:08:37 [sbp]
* sbp suspects it simply counts the amount of capitals and digits. It needs to check against dictionaries for substitutions of "z" for plural "s", and so on, to be really good
02:13:43 [AaronSw]
tansaku, Metcalfe said that the big IT is something other than the Segway... so who knows
02:18:45 [sbp]
Nah, I think that Segway is it. IT, even
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02:45:51 [tansaku]
segway?
02:46:24 [AaronSw]
segway.com
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03:01:21 [tansaku]
oh right, so Segway is the official name for Ginger - to live in the darkness of japanese media ...
03:01:33 [AaronSw]
darkness?
03:04:25 [tansaku]
well I'm not constantly bombarded by English language news of all kinds - so I am blissfully unaware that Ginger is being marketed by Segway - if in the US I assume I would have heard it on the news
03:04:36 [sbp]
Web
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03:05:59 [tansaku]
sure - but I spend my time on the web looking at stuff that's not in the news
03:05:59 [tansaku]
anyways- Aaron can I ask you a question about RDF?
03:05:59 [_xena_]
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03:06:23 [tansaku]
or perhap I should ask you in rdfig?
03:07:09 [AaronSw]
either one
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04:14:25 [sbp]
Whatd'ya think of the new homepage design, then?
04:16:50 [AaronSw]
Ooh, neat.
04:17:14 [AaronSw]
your random thoughts are so random
04:17:28 [sbp]
Hooray!
04:20:20 [AaronSw]
no cite for the Morbus quote?
04:20:39 [AaronSw]
I feel so left out. You mention Morbus, but not me.
04:20:46 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
04:21:02 [sbp]
I cite you enough everywhere else :-)
04:21:15 [AaronSw]
Pah.
04:21:18 [sbp]
And in real life, most of my sentences start with "Well, Aaron says..."
04:21:26 [AaronSw]
lol
04:22:33 [AaronSw]
Sometimes I get worried about citing you too much.
04:22:45 [sbp]
me too
04:23:11 [sbp]
about citing me, that is. I'm always citing myself, and I'm worried that I'll end up like you
04:23:48 [sbp]
Heh, no I do wonder about quoting you. And Dan and Tim to a lesser extent
04:24:02 [sbp]
You're just all so great at little quotable notables
04:24:38 [sbp]
I could put up an entire page of Aaron quotes, and link to that. I'm sure it wouldn't take much work to produce it
04:24:54 [AaronSw]
Heh, DanC really is.
04:28:04 [AaronSw]
Altho I do get worried when you say things by quoting yourself.
04:28:27 [sbp]
"Like this"?
04:30:12 [AaronSw]
doo doot
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04:31:20 [sbp]
At one point, the navbar did read: disobey.com | aaronsw.com | Homer
04:32:00 [sbp]
But I thought better of it... you guys get enough people linking to you as it is :-)
04:32:28 [sbp]
we really need .googleresults or something
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04:52:11 [SeanP]
CWM churns...
04:52:14 [SeanP]
SeanP is now known as sbp
04:53:11 [sbp]
and a new CWM generated homepage is uploaded to the Web
04:53:11 [sbp]
technology can be great sometimes
04:53:19 [AaronSw]
Automation is fun!
04:53:22 [sbp]
I now quote you just a couple of times; you made me feel guilty ya little bugger, even though you don't quote or otherwise mention me at all on your homepage
04:53:30 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
04:53:40 [AaronSw]
that can be changed..
04:53:44 [sbp]
[[[
04:53:44 [sbp]
I had this weird dream where I finally visited Sean one day, and I couldn't stand to talk to him face to face so we logged on to IRC to chat. - Aaron Swartz #swhack 2001-10-12 02:04:21
04:53:44 [sbp]
If you say what you mean rather than what you want done with it, you can repurpose it so much better - TimBL
04:53:45 [sbp]
It's as if I designed it -- they really did things Right. - Aaron Swartz #swhack 2001-10-07 21:00:43
04:53:47 [sbp]
]]] - My Homepage
04:54:28 [sbp]
I was going to put in your quote about befunge, but it would have required to much background explanation
04:54:37 [AaronSw]
Which one was that?
04:54:39 [sbp]
I also liked the one about stopping people from talking
04:54:54 [sbp]
in fact, there were millllllions of the damn things; the choices were pretty arbitrary
04:54:56 [AaronSw]
How'd that go?
04:55:04 [sbp]
you said it
04:55:15 [AaronSw]
I need to remember more of my quotes, I guess.
04:55:50 [AaronSw]
And why are the attributions included in the "s?
04:56:00 [sbp]
2001-09-14.txt-22:14:01 <AaronSw> It's b93 terrorism!
04:56:00 [sbp]
2001-09-14.txt-22:14:25 <AaronSw> You couldn't possibly write an interpreter in Python -- your brain would explode.
04:56:25 [AaronSw]
Hee hee hee.
04:56:29 [sbp]
2001-10-18.txt-00:17:45 <AaronSw> """In an editorial at Microsoft's site, Scott Culp, head of the company's Security Response Center, announced the initiative against what he called "information anarchy." """
04:56:29 [sbp]
2001-10-18.txt-00:18:00 <AaronSw> Yeah, people talking to each other is always bad. Better outlaw that.
04:56:40 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:56:55 [AaronSw]
That one was pretty serious, tho.
04:57:35 [sbp]
the attributions are marked up in "<cite>"... I'm not all that bothered, because <q> and <cite> are so seriously and utterly fucked, no one cares about them anymore. Even WAI GL gave up
04:57:49 [AaronSw]
Wow.
04:58:10 [sbp]
yeah, it was shocking... there was a huge thread on "q", and the result was "oh man, this sucks"
04:58:22 [sbp]
I could have told them that ages ago. <hr /> sucks too
04:58:43 [AaronSw]
:-)
05:00:19 [sbp]
the problem with citing you and Morbus is that you rant on #swhack, which means I have to reference #swhack, which is bad because I like #swhack, and things I reference mean that I redirect a portion of the people who visit my page to swhack, and it means they'll start lurking on here, and that'll suck, and this is a huge run on sentence, and I appear to be quite good at them, and soon I'm going to pass the character lim
05:00:35 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
05:00:50 [AaronSw]
Why does it suck if they lurk on here.
05:01:51 [sbp]
IMO, #swhack isn't a community free-for-all intellectual orgy
05:10:46 [AaronSw]
Oh.
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05:30:05 [sbp]
Oh?
05:31:09 [AaronSw]
I didn't know that.
05:31:37 [sbp]
It's not a rule. I just pulled it out of... well, thin air
05:32:12 [sbp]
Heh, it's just me. I don't like it when cool things change. #swhack is a cool thing; I don't want it to jump the shark
05:33:19 [AaronSw]
Yep, I'm sort of worried about all the people in here.
05:33:54 [AaronSw]
we could ban the non-essentials: tav, em, tav`, tav``
05:34:00 [AaronSw]
tav``
05:34:01 [AaronSw]
tav```
05:34:04 [sbp]
worried about these people? Oh, heh...
05:34:43 [sbp]
Alright, I'm being fecky
05:34:55 [AaronSw]
Not really.
05:44:14 [AaronSw]
top secret
05:44:18 [sbp]
aargh, no, please don't boot me out! I'll be good!
05:44:26 [AaronSw]
1...
05:44:30 [sbp]
it's no point making it top secret when you just do...
05:44:33 [sbp]
.google swhack
05:44:34 [_xena_]
swhack: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog
05:44:40 [AaronSw]
Hah, that's our weblog
05:44:44 [AaronSw]
they'll never find t he channel
05:44:58 [sbp]
all they have to do is chop the "weblog" off
05:45:01 [AaronSw]
shuddup
05:45:15 [sbp]
:-)
05:45:16 [AaronSw]
The point is, they need to be at least cool enough to know about the word "swhack".
05:45:31 [AaronSw]
this'll keep us out of the OPN channel listings.
05:45:42 [AaronSw]
so people doing /list *hack* don't find us
05:45:53 [sbp]
or have visited one of the sites that link to swhack... the whole discussion point is whether or not I should link to swhack
05:46:06 [sbp]
lol @ /list *hack*
05:46:23 [AaronSw]
Hmm, an interesting conundrum
05:47:00 [AaronSw]
logster, grep <l33t
05:47:58 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '<l33t'
05:47:59 [logster]
0) 2001-12-12 05:47:00 <AaronSw> logster, grep <l33t
05:48:05 [sbp]
* sbp taps things...
05:48:05 [sbp]
* sbp whistles a bit
05:48:05 [sbp]
cup of tea, Aaron?
05:48:05 [AaronSw]
hmm
05:48:31 [sbp]
are you trying to recall the guy who had his mind blown by the fact that we log all of this?
05:48:44 [l00s3r]
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05:48:49 [l00s3r]
hey d00ds!
05:49:09 [l00s3r]
h0w's 1t g01ng
05:49:27 [l00s3r]
i h3ard th3re w3r3 some c00l crackz here fr0m my pal GabeW!
05:49:35 [AaronSw]
uh oh
05:49:43 [l00s3r]
wut????
05:49:59 [sbp]
Aaron, tip. When you come on with an alternate nick, change your name from "Aaron Swartz", 'cause it's a bit of a giveaway
05:50:14 [AaronSw]
I would, but my stupid client won't really let me.
05:50:31 [l00s3r]
h3 n0tic3d!!!
05:50:34 [AaronSw]
yeah, sorry l00s3r
05:50:46 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
05:50:52 [l00s3r]
0h w3ll
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05:51:29 [sbp]
I wonder what our most common phrase is?
05:51:36 [AaronSw]
the
05:51:47 [sbp]
oh, yeah we often sit there and go:-
05:51:47 [AaronSw]
lines ending in '
05:51:48 [sbp]
the
05:52:03 [sbp]
"Aaron, how are you today?"
05:52:05 [sbp]
"the"
05:52:06 [AaronSw]
the is a phrase. you said phrase, not line.
05:52:14 [AaronSw]
lol
05:52:24 [sbp]
"the" is a word! not a phrase, surely?
05:52:31 [sbp]
.google phrase definition
05:52:32 [_xena_]
phrase definition: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000014.htm
05:52:34 [AaronSw]
it's a one-word phrase
05:52:49 [sbp]
no way nark: "A phrase is a group of words acting as a single part of speech and not containing both a subject and a verb."
05:53:06 [sbp]
group of words. One word is not a group
05:53:14 [AaronSw]
It's a one-member group!
05:53:20 [AaronSw]
Haven't you studied Group Theory?
05:53:55 [sbp]
ah, but I take them to mean the colloquial sense of the word, which simply means [ > 1 ] .
05:54:35 [sbp]
.google site:englishplus.com group definition
05:54:36 [_xena_]
site:englishplus.com group definition: http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000008.htm
05:54:56 [sbp]
cool, that wasn't relevent
05:55:39 [sbp]
ugh. We digress too much. What were we talking about?
05:55:55 [AaronSw]
l00sers in #swhack
05:55:59 [sbp]
ah, yes
05:56:05 [AaronSw]
I dunno, sometimes I worry about the logs being embarassing.
05:56:19 [AaronSw]
But I can't bring myself to censor them.
05:56:22 [sbp]
so, in conclusion, let me state that l00sers are most welcome in #swhack. Oh, no... that's not right
05:56:31 [sbp]
oh, wow! kick-ass!
05:56:45 [AaronSw]
What?
05:57:02 [sbp]
You find the logs kinda-embarrasing. Phew
05:57:15 [AaronSw]
Why? Were you working hard on that?
05:57:41 [sbp]
no, I just thought you were Mr. "I don't say embarrasing things", and it's true...
05:57:52 [AaronSw]
Oh, I didn't say anything embarassing.
05:57:55 [AaronSw]
Other people do.
05:58:25 [sbp]
yeah, that's what I mean. But you still accept that they're embarrasing... which is good because it goes a bit against your "every bit is scared" thingy
05:58:35 [AaronSw]
Whoa, Gemenids in 23 hours.
05:58:42 [sbp]
stamp out abuse of the word "bit"
05:58:53 [AaronSw]
It doesn't go against that at all.
05:58:56 [deltab]
not to be confused with genids
05:58:57 [AaronSw]
I didn't say all bits were public.
05:59:02 [sbp]
ooh, that's a good point. 'night of the 14th here, isn't it?
05:59:03 [AaronSw]
heh heh, deltab
06:00:44 [sbp]
or 15th?
06:00:44 [AaronSw]
jusy stay up all night like tav`
06:00:45 [sbp]
* sbp greps the logs...
06:00:45 [sbp]
hey, buddy...
06:00:45 [sbp]
.time
06:00:45 [_xena_]
2001/12/12 06:01:39.7662 Universal
06:00:45 [AaronSw]
yeah.
06:00:45 [sbp]
:-)
06:00:45 [AaronSw]
well, it's...
06:00:45 [AaronSw]
@293, ok
06:00:47 [sbp]
Can we have a "year" function in grep for next year?
06:01:02 [AaronSw]
Hmm, ask dajobe
06:01:08 [sbp]
ah, @293... must use Swatch beats, since their name is so close to #swhack
06:01:28 [AaronSw]
.function .beats n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4))
06:01:35 [AaronSw]
xena needs to be smarter.
06:01:54 [tav`]
sbp: windows man
06:02:08 [sbp]
pardon me?
06:06:16 [AaronSw]
.rehash
06:06:24 [AaronSw]
xena is ignoring me
06:06:40 [sbp]
me too...
06:06:49 [AaronSw]
.google test
06:06:51 [_xena_]
test: http://www.test.com
06:07:42 [AaronSw]
.beats
06:08:31 [sbp]
.py """Swatch beats script"""; import math, time; n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4))
06:08:43 [AaronSw]
hmm
06:09:02 [sbp]
I don't even get a "fuck you, you didn't log in". And I did log in, anyway...
06:09:13 [AaronSw]
Yeah...
06:09:19 [AaronSw]
time for a reboot, I guess.
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06:10:05 [AaronSw]
.beats
06:10:14 [AaronSw]
hmmph
06:10:22 [sbp]
.py """Swatch beats script"""; import math, time; n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4))
06:10:35 [AaronSw]
.acronym suck
06:10:36 [xena]
suck:
06:10:46 [AaronSw]
hmm
06:12:46 [AaronSw]
.help beats
06:12:47 [xena]
usage: beats
06:12:48 [xena]
- returns the time in Swatch .beats.
06:12:51 [AaronSw]
weird
06:13:04 [AaronSw]
.beats
06:13:13 [sbp]
[[[
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<sbp> [off] Now that the old man's gone, we can swear, and throw parties, and get drunk!
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]]] - #rdfig
06:13:20 [AaronSw]
I saw.
06:13:26 [AaronSw]
xena sees all. :-)
06:13:35 [sbp]
oh, you smegwaddle
06:13:39 [sbp]
:-)
06:13:42 [AaronSw]
mwahaha
06:14:05 [sbp]
* sbp looks over his shoulder... am going to have nightmares that Aaron is spying on me
06:15:53 [AaronSw]
heh
06:16:14 [sbp]
.beats the **** out of me
06:16:20 [AaronSw]
heh heh
06:16:57 [AaronSw]
sbp is such a useless channel since you banned me from it.
06:17:04 [AaronSw]
err #sbp
06:17:43 [sbp]
once I get a signed apology for buggering my bots, and a promise never to do it again... :-)
06:18:04 [AaronSw]
You should fix your bugs if you don't want to be buggered.
06:18:05 [sbp]
it was a useless channel before I banned you from it, too
06:18:21 [AaronSw]
Well, now it's referenced from your website.
06:18:30 [sbp]
heh, it was quite useful... but the kicking thing was rather harsh
06:18:33 [sbp]
what is?
06:18:40 [sbp]
ah, right
06:18:47 [AaronSw]
why was it useful?
06:19:10 [sbp]
yeah, but no one will come online to chat to me. They'd be nuts. They'd chat you you though, which is the fear with #swhack
06:19:23 [AaronSw]
they chat you you all the time
06:19:32 [AaronSw]
i wonder what happens if i shrink the limit below 10
06:19:43 [AaronSw]
now no one can join
06:19:51 [AaronSw]
now no one can leave
06:19:55 [sbp]
who?
06:19:59 [AaronSw]
mwahaha
06:20:05 [AaronSw]
*** AaronSw has set the channel mode to "limit 1"
06:20:09 [AaronSw]
for those of you at home
06:20:42 [sbp]
try it, try it!
06:20:52 [AaronSw]
I did.
06:20:58 [AaronSw]
try leaving and coming back in
06:21:11 [AaronSw]
"The channel is full"
06:21:22 [AaronSw]
*** AaronSw has set the channel mode to "limit 11"
06:21:25 [sbp]
gooooo on! I can sense that you want to. Push the button, push it, I say!
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06:21:35 [l00s3r]
hee hee
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06:21:54 [AaronSw]
hmm
06:21:55 [sbp]
* sbp is trying to compose a nice little tune in regular tuning here... not going all that well
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06:22:29 [AaronSw]
we could always moderate the channel
06:23:13 [AaronSw]
hee hee
06:23:26 [AaronSw]
i better stop
06:23:37 [sbp]
so, it's the last one standing... interesting
06:23:51 [sbp]
ooh, big lag
06:24:21 [AaronSw]
ok, i better sleep
06:24:57 [AaronSw]
nite all
06:25:00 [sbp]
me too
06:25:02 [sbp]
c'ya
06:25:52 [AaronSw]
nite
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* AaronSw disconnects
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15:43:39 [Morbus]
hellooo, new york!
15:48:06 [Morbus]
well, jeez, guess i have anthrax today.
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sniff. sniff.
15:57:56 [Morbus]
i'm not loved.
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i only wanted some companionship.
15:58:05 [Morbus]
instead, i get xena.
15:58:22 [Morbus]
.google looking for love in all the wrong places.
15:58:24 [xena]
looking for love in all the wrong places.: http://www.shift.com/web/feature/feature001.asp
15:58:58 [Morbus]
heh, heh! "Clara, the virtual "sextoon" from Pierre-Paul Renders's film Thomas in Love, is a computer generated woman. A three- dimensional virtual sex symbol designed specifically to turn men on. And, in the movie, to get Thomas off. "
15:59:50 [Morbus]
sbp, you should definitely check this out. has agoraphobia in it too, apparently.
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16:40:28 [Morbus]
hey sbpster.
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i've bene lonely without you.
16:40:52 [sbp]
Hi there
16:41:02 [sbp]
bene?
16:41:10 [Morbus]
been, rather.
16:41:11 [sbp]
as in "molto bene?"
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s/?"/"?/
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i heard you all were lonely
16:48:09 [Morbus]
uh huh!
16:50:26 [sbp]
aaaargh, it's the mustachioed AaronSw!
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* sbp runs and hides
16:50:59 [AaronSw`]
mwahaha
16:51:08 [sbp]
* sbp expects a showdown between the good and bad AaronSw's sometime
16:51:27 [sbp]
Like Spock!
16:51:36 [Morbus]
|V|
16:51:41 [Morbus]
live long! <g>
16:51:54 [AaronSw`]
hee hee hee
16:52:09 [Morbus]
oOOh.
17:05:12 [AaronSw`]
My standard speech on copyright:
17:05:15 [AaronSw`]
Piracy is such a negative word! I mean, what we're really doing is sharing digital content. By copying bits, the owner loses nothing, and the world is better off. Are you going to tell me that sharing is the moral equivalent of attacking a ship?
17:05:16 [AaronSw`]
Well, of course copyright still exists, and I'm very concerned about copyright. But I think we do need to have a national discussion about exactly how far copyright law extends.
17:05:16 [AaronSw`]
Copyright law was originally invented to prevent people with printing presses from making rip-offs of books and things to get the money that would have gone to the authors. At the time, the public didn't care, since the only way they could copy books was by hand. Now times have changed, and anyone can make copies and the public needs to decide whether they want those rights back.
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--
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17:07:52 [AaronSw`]
Shoot, i was just about to ask sbp something
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17:10:57 [AaronSw`]
sbp, what do you think about that primer business
17:11:17 [sbp]
what about it?
17:11:28 [AaronSw`]
can you make a telecon at that time?
17:11:41 [sbp]
Um... telecon? What time?
17:11:48 [AaronSw`]
check your email
17:11:56 [AaronSw`]
subject: rdf primer input
17:11:59 [sbp]
I did - I must have missed an email
17:12:35 [sbp]
Eric didn't mention anything about a Telecon that I know of
17:12:51 [AaronSw`]
Well, he did on the telecon.
17:13:35 [AaronSw`]
.time
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2001/12/12 17:15:08.97055 Universal
17:13:39 [sbp]
Ah, fair enough
17:13:45 [sbp]
I wasn't on the telecon :-)
17:13:51 [AaronSw`]
true, true
17:14:05 [Morbus]
what's a telecon?
17:14:24 [deltab]
telephone conference
17:14:47 [AaronSw`]
it's when we call each other and talk about you behind your back
17:15:18 [deltab]
phone, right?
17:15:23 [sbp]
yes
17:15:24 [AaronSw`]
yep
17:15:31 [AaronSw`]
often with an irc component
17:17:13 [sbp]
ERT do it by IRC only
17:19:38 [AaronSw`]
Really? Hmm.
17:21:21 [AaronSw`]
good thing i've xena there to spy on you
17:21:38 [sbp]
yes
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17:40:57 [sbp]
* sbp still wondering how to do TestSubject
17:41:52 [sbp]
[ :testSubject <http://example.org/#xpointer([...])>; :mime "text/xml" ] . is alright, but it's just all messed up. Silly Web architecture
17:42:43 [AaronSw`]
i liked how it was before
17:42:52 [sbp]
:reprOf?
17:42:58 [AaronSw`]
yeah
17:43:04 [AaronSw`]
ZakimBot is so cool: http://www.w3.org/2001/11/zakim.html
17:43:15 [sbp]
yeah, me too, but XPointer is screwy
17:43:20 [sbp]
Zakim - yeah
17:43:57 [sbp]
You stole metadata!
17:44:04 [em]
AaronSw, sbp .. good for tomorrow. I'll reserve bridge and send details shortly. I'm out off office for next few hours in meeting, but will get back with you shortly. thanks in advance
17:44:11 [sbp]
* sbp jumps
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Hi em... thanks
17:44:23 [AaronSw`]
Great.
17:44:56 [AaronSw`]
That metadata was public.
17:44:58 [AaronSw`]
em leaked it.
17:45:03 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
17:45:08 [sbp]
.google ZakimBot
17:45:10 [xena]
no results found.
17:45:12 [em]
sbp, re suggestion on mu;tiple primers i think this is a good one, just not possible with only a single (overworked) contact :)
17:45:19 [AaronSw`]
.google zakim irc
17:45:19 [xena]
no results found.
17:45:20 [em]
* em leaks metadata all over the place :)
17:45:34 [AaronSw`]
:-)
17:45:40 [sbp]
I guess you're allowed to, since you're the metadata king :-)
17:45:50 [AaronSw`]
lol
17:45:50 [em]
see ya in a bit
17:45:55 [sbp]
c'ya
17:46:21 [sbp]
Actually Aaron, whilst you and I are here, we may as well chat about it
17:47:11 [sbp]
Oh. Perhaps it's just me here :-)
17:47:46 [AaronSw`]
Heh.
17:47:54 [AaronSw`]
* AaronSw` is busy signing up for the book deal
17:48:04 [sbp]
book deal?
17:48:22 [AaronSw`]
see rdf-interest
17:48:27 [AaronSw`]
no wait, don't
17:48:34 [sbp]
oh, heh, I already did that
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17:52:53 [sbp]
Oh, wow! I've just found an earlier HTML document!
17:53:08 [sbp]
Incredible...
17:53:20 [AaronSw`]
Where?
17:53:42 [sbp]
hang on, I'm just trying to work out the structure...
17:54:59 [sbp]
@ http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html
17:55:02 [chumpster]
A: http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html from sbp
17:55:20 [sbp]
A:|Hypertext Links
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titled item A
17:55:33 [AaronSw`]
What's the date on that?
17:55:40 [sbp]
A::I'm pretty sure that this is the oldest HTML document in existence on the WWW, but I'm not sure how to get the date
17:55:41 [chumpster]
commented item A
17:55:59 [AaronSw`]
How do you know it's so old? The lack of HEAD tags?
17:56:33 [sbp]
A::cf. [http://infomesh.net/html/history/early/|Early History of HTML]
17:56:34 [chumpster]
commented item A
17:56:47 [sbp]
Hang on... might be able to ask for chACLs on the dir...
17:57:12 [AaronSw`]
Last-Modified: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 15:17:00 GMT
17:57:12 [AaronSw`]
ETag: "2dc195-97-27400e6c"
17:57:22 [AaronSw`]
wow, that is a while ago
17:57:49 [sbp]
heh, great! I was right!
17:58:03 [sbp]
A::From 1990-11-13!
17:58:04 [chumpster]
commented item A
17:58:26 [AaronSw`]
A::Last-Modified: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 15:17:00 GMT
17:58:27 [chumpster]
commented item A
17:58:52 [sbp]
A::Confirmed by [http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/Link.html,headers|the headers]
17:58:53 [chumpster]
commented item A
17:59:06 [AaronSw`]
that can't be the oldest, then
17:59:21 [AaronSw`]
since http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/Conferences/ECHT90/Standardisation.html is from the 3rd
17:59:39 [sbp]
3rd December, I think you'll find
17:59:50 [AaronSw`]
oh, November!
17:59:56 [sbp]
Last-Modified: Mon, 03 Dec 1990 16:35:02 GMT
18:00:03 [sbp]
yes! A whole month before
18:00:04 [AaronSw`]
Got you.
18:00:12 [sbp]
well, about 20 days
18:00:18 [AaronSw`]
Heh, it's pretty funny that Steven Newcomb is a member of the first Web.
18:00:22 [AaronSw`]
Did I mention this before?
18:00:22 [AaronSw`]
"""
18:00:24 [AaronSw`]
Steven R Newcombe
18:00:24 [AaronSw`]
(Steve) Chairs the "HyTime" SGML committee standardising formats for exchange of hypermedia including media (such as music) with a time dimension. Unfortunately, Steve could not come due to a "last minute budget freeze". Florida State University , Center for Music Research, Tallahassee FL 32303 srn!cmr@bikini.cis.ufl.edu
18:00:25 [AaronSw`]
"""
18:00:27 [AaronSw`]
- http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/Conferences/ECHT90/People.html#newcombe
18:00:37 [AaronSw`]
and now he's doing topic maps...
18:00:43 [sbp]
heh, weird
18:00:58 [AaronSw`]
Jakob Nielsen was also there.
18:01:14 [AaronSw`]
"""
18:01:15 [AaronSw`]
Jakob Nielsen
18:01:15 [AaronSw`]
Wrote the book "HyperText and HyperMedia", on sale at the conference. Also Email: neilsen@bellcore.com
18:01:15 [AaronSw`]
Ia
18:01:15 [AaronSw`]
"""
18:01:29 [AaronSw`]
I guess they didn't have mailto back then.
18:02:14 [sbp]
A::Also [http://www.w3.org/History/1991-WWW-NeXT/Implementation/HyperText.m|HyperText.m]: """25 Sep 90Written (TBL) with the help of the Interface builder."""
18:02:32 [sbp]
Chumpster?
18:02:38 [deltab]
AaronSw: lucky them
18:02:44 [AaronSw`]
Why?
18:02:48 [AaronSw`]
They didn't have spam either.
18:03:23 [AaronSw`]
A::Wow, Interface Builder sure has come a long way. Today it's being used to build [http://rdfweb.org/people/damian/2001/10/RDFAuthor/|RDFAuthor]!
18:03:45 [chumpster]
commented item A
18:04:13 [AaronSw`]
hmm, what's up with my server
18:04:16 [sbp]
heh, cool
18:04:29 [sbp]
yes, what is up with your server? it's down *again*
18:04:50 [AaronSw`]
*sniff* don't yell at me!
18:05:17 [chumpster]
commented item A
18:06:11 [sbp]
A::Thanks to [http://www.w3.org/History/1992/timbl-floppies/TimBerners-Lee_CERN/hype.tar.Z|hype.tar.Z]
18:06:12 [chumpster]
commented item A
18:06:28 [sbp]
just fix it!
18:06:38 [sbp]
:-)
18:06:40 [AaronSw`]
what am i supposed to do?
18:06:54 [sbp]
I dunno. Run up to it (yes, I know where it is) and kick it
18:07:33 [AaronSw`]
it's back now, happy?
18:07:41 [sbp]
yes, thanks
18:07:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
18:07:51 [sbp]
now, make sure it never happens again
18:08:35 [AaronSw]
sheesh
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18:08:41 [sbp]
make sure!
18:08:48 [sbp]
heh, heh
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I have the feeling someone is hammering my server.
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18:10:57 [sbp]
yeah...
18:11:17 [AaronSw]
watching the logs scroll by like this is fun.
18:11:28 [AaronSw]
.dns 216.86.196.126
18:11:29 [xena]
216.86.196.126 - adsl-gte-la-216-86-196-126.mminternet.com
18:11:42 [AaronSw]
.dns 63.102.48.145
18:11:43 [xena]
63.102.48.145 - error: host not found
18:12:47 [AaronSw]
aha, i see what's wrong
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18:14:39 [AaronSw]
Aha! it's googlebot
18:14:50 [sbp]
where, where?
18:15:12 [AaronSw]
on my server
18:15:14 [AaronSw]
wtf is it doing?
18:15:18 [sbp]
-
18:15:18 [sbp]
googlebot is ~googlebot@24.80.11.149 * google bot
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googlebot on #mandrake-linux
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googlebot using irc.openprojects.net http://www.openprojects.net/
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googlebot has been idle 14secs, signed on Wed Dec 12 17:13:59
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googlebot End of /WHOIS list.
18:15:20 [sbp]
-
18:15:28 [sbp]
oh, you mean the *other* googlebot
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<Killarny@esp> aaron, you here?
18:16:00 [AaronSw]
yep
18:16:06 [sbp]
ooh, freaky
18:16:08 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I fixed the join/part commands
18:16:13 [AaronSw]
oh, thanks
18:16:16 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I'm assuming thats why you restarted it before
18:16:20 [AaronSw]
yeah
18:16:29 [AaronSw]
good guess
18:16:45 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> heh I tried to use them too, and realized they were borked
18:17:10 [sbp]
Aaron probably borked it
18:17:11 [AaronSw]
ah
18:17:17 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> heh, no I did
18:17:17 [AaronSw]
no i didn't
18:17:22 [AaronSw]
there seem to be some other broken things too
18:17:24 [AaronSw]
like .py
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.py print 'test'
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test
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<Killarny@esp> .py 2 + 2
18:17:37 [AaronSw]
hmm.
18:17:39 [AaronSw]
never mind
18:17:51 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I fixed lots of bugs
18:18:02 [AaronSw]
good
18:18:22 [AaronSw]
people keep hitting weird pages on my server like /semanticWeb/lcs/Edd
18:18:26 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I didn't know about that one, specifically, but most bugs were because the module search paths were added to the sys.path list wrongly
18:18:32 [AaronSw]
aha
18:18:33 [AaronSw]
.dns 65.42.33.202
18:18:35 [xena]
65.42.33.202 - adsl-65-42-33-202.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net
18:19:17 [AaronSw]
^ amphetadesk user
18:19:17 [AaronSw]
who hits my site every freaking second
18:19:39 [sbp]
heh, cool
18:19:39 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> hmm need to make stuff the bot says relay too
18:19:39 [AaronSw]
yeah
18:19:39 [logster]
* logster is already logging
18:19:40 [AaronSw]
and nick changes and QUITs
18:19:47 [AaronSw]
but be sure not to create an infinite loops
18:19:48 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> yeah
18:19:56 [deltab]
or have a bot that does just relaying
18:19:56 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I need thread sync for that though
18:20:10 [sbp]
.beats
18:20:17 [sbp]
.py .py """Swatch beats script"""; import math, time; n=time.gmtime(); print int(math.floor((n[3]*3600+n[4]*60+n[5]+(60*60))/86.4))
18:20:20 [AaronSw]
yeah, why doesn't that work?
18:20:35 [sbp]
heh: ".py .py". Don't cut 'n' paste, guys an' gals
18:21:07 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> hmm
18:21:51 [AaronSw]
Is there some bug on my website that causes people to hit crazy URLs like logicerror.com/W3C/semanticsOfTheWeb/w3c-meeting-2001-2/semanticsOfTheWeb ?
18:21:51 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I think I'll work on thread sync later on
18:22:03 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> anyway, gotta go work on my resume
18:22:11 [AaronSw]
aha, there is a bug.
18:22:24 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> just wanted to let you know so you don't keep restarting the bot
18:22:31 [AaronSw]
thanks
18:22:35 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> :) cya
18:22:36 [AaronSw]
.status
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server(s):
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- irc.espnow.com:6667 - #esp, #esp-core, #espra, #google, #plex, #swhack, #xenadev
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- stampede.org:6667 - #brits, #cnn_newsfeed, #erights, #esp, #espra, #freenet, #google, #infoanarchy, #openai, #p2p-hackers, #plex, #rdfig, #swhack, #syndic8, #validator, #world-relations, #zope
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- chat1.cnn.com:6667 - #CNN_Newsfeed
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- irc.w3.org:6665 - #er, #sw, #swad
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module(s):
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- execute, espra-alert, inet, isotime, seen, dict, esp_chanmon, temperature, autojoin, relay
18:22:42 [AaronSw]
the other thing was that it fell off of w3c
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- inet2
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command triggers: "['.']" - python triggers: "['x', '.py', '.python']"
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base logfile: "/home/services/bots/xena/creature/creature.log"
18:22:48 [AaronSw]
but it seem to be back on now
18:22:48 [xena]
started: 2001/12/12 18:15:25 - uptime: 8 min(s) 52 sec(s)
18:22:53 [AaronSw]
c'ya
18:23:00 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> I worked on the reconnection code a little too
18:23:05 [AaronSw]
oh, good
18:23:12 [sbp]
http://www.google.com/search?q=link%3Alogicerror.com%2FW3C%2FsemanticsOfTheWeb%2Fw3c-meeting-2001-2%2FsemanticsOfTheWeb
18:23:27 [sbp]
people are just nuts. You should have got that by now
18:23:29 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> give it a minute or two to reconnect - if it doesn't reconnect in 60 seconds, it's not working, and you'll have to restart it :)
18:23:41 [AaronSw]
heh
18:24:24 [xena]
<Killarny@esp> okay I'm off before it gets too late
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*** Killarny@esp (killarny@mewtwo.espnow.com) parts
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*** xena@esp (xena@irc.espnow.com) parts
18:38:17 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if there's a way to ban fragURIs in RDF
18:38:35 [sbp]
if we're using reprOf, making the range of it :URIResource would be cool
18:38:50 [AaronSw]
yeah
18:38:55 [AaronSw]
that'd be very cool
18:38:56 [sbp]
we can have fragment as a separate relationship coming off of the representation, then
18:39:03 [AaronSw]
exactly
18:39:26 [sbp]
we can just decree it in the specification... but I don't know how to it in RDF (except to use logic)
18:39:46 [sbp]
Hmm... it just won't work. Aargh, I think you're right!
18:40:35 [sbp]
Ooh, here's a solution that I was toying with...
18:40:53 [sbp]
with could redefine "http://example.org/#blargh" in RDF so that it isn't a fragURI at all
18:41:08 [sbp]
any time that you use that, you instead point to a special RDF QName
18:42:22 [sbp]
{ ?x log:uri [ string:contains "#" ] } log:implies { ?x a :RDFQName; :resourse <the resource bit>; :name <the after-hash bit> } .
18:43:21 [sbp]
Whatd'ya think of that, then?
18:43:56 [AaronSw]
cool
18:44:11 [AaronSw]
but i think the [ string:contains ] bit should be a universal.
18:44:34 [AaronSw]
and the afterhash bit should be in quotes, not <>s
18:44:43 [AaronSw]
but good idea
18:45:14 [sbp]
er, yep, my mistake
18:45:24 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Please stop hammering my server!
18:45:41 [AaronSw]
Heh, as soon as I change the topic I get hammered.
18:46:10 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
18:46:57 [sbp]
{ ?x log:uri [ string:contains "#" ]; log:racine ?y; log:fragment ?z } log:implies { ?x a :RDFQName; :resource ?y; :name ?z } .
18:47:43 [AaronSw]
{ ?x log:uri ?u ; log:racine ?y; log:fragment ?z . ?u string:contains "#"} log:implies { ?x a :RDFQName; :resource ?y; :name ?z } .
18:48:11 [sbp]
er, no... I was correct
18:48:37 [sbp]
* sbp has used log/string enough times :-)
18:48:44 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
18:48:51 [AaronSw]
It seems to me that yours would never fire.
18:49:22 [sbp]
dunno, but that's the way it's done, I'm quite sure
18:49:32 [AaronSw]
[ string:contains "#" ] would boil down to #_v837 or something, which would never be the uri of ?x.
18:49:39 [AaronSw]
weird.
18:49:44 [AaronSw]
weird.
18:49:56 [sbp]
sure it would: something which is the URI of ?x
18:50:10 [sbp]
something which contains the string "#"
18:50:24 [sbp]
it's a test, rather than a query...
18:51:26 [AaronSw]
then I guess string is broken, since it'd need to know to merge the two...
18:51:26 [AaronSw]
which since it's an anonNode it can't.
18:51:29 [sbp]
* sbp doesn't think so. Seems quite standard to him
18:51:40 [sbp]
an anon-node is a variable, don't forget
18:51:51 [AaronSw]
What do you mean by that?
18:51:55 [AaronSw]
Break it down into triples:
18:52:14 [sbp]
?x log:uri _:y . _:y string:contains "#" .
18:52:41 [AaronSw]
?x log:uri "uri#a" . <#_fjs2> string:contains "#" . "uri#a" = <#_fjs2> .
18:52:44 [sbp]
"x" has the URI "y", for some value of "y". that same y contains "#"
18:53:00 [sbp]
the "for some value" is the important bit
18:53:16 [AaronSw]
oh, it must work because log:uri is a unique property
18:53:38 [sbp]
yeah
18:53:59 [sbp]
<#_fjs2> is bogus
18:54:01 [sbp]
use _:X
18:54:18 [AaronSw]
ok
18:54:48 [sbp]
anyway... talk about digression :-)
18:56:45 [AaronSw]
No, I'd prefer if we got back on the subject at hand.
18:56:52 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
18:57:17 [AaronSw]
so 12 boston is 1 here?
18:57:31 [sbp]
I guess so
18:57:35 [sbp]
.time
18:57:35 [xena]
2001/12/12 18:59:08.85103 Universal
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.time cst
18:57:38 [xena]
Dec. 12, 2001 12:59 pm US/Central
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.time est
18:57:40 [xena]
Dec. 12, 2001 1:59 pm US/Eastern
18:57:41 [sbp]
smeggle; Gotta run
18:57:44 [AaronSw]
c'ya
18:58:30 [AaronSw]
Weird, I can here my monitor hum at different frequencies when I adjust the brightness.
18:58:33 [sbp]
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18:58:47 [AaronSw]
so it'd be 11 to 12
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19:44:04 [AaronSw]
Hey GabeW. Dropped your attbi service?
19:45:05 [GabeW]
oh no - I'm at my business partner's place
19:45:16 [AaronSw]
Ah.
19:45:18 [GabeW]
we go over to each other's places and work from time totime
19:45:42 [AaronSw]
cheaper than having an office
19:45:56 [GabeW]
yeah - we looked into that - just coudln't justify the cost
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sbip, sbop, sbip, sbop
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20:49:18 [AaronSw]
wb
20:49:35 [sbp]
there, that wasn't so difficult
20:49:37 [sbp]
thanks
20:49:42 [sbp]
computer crashed, for the record
20:49:45 [sbp]
but mIRC prevailed!
20:50:57 [sbp]
I'm gonna get my monks to reboot my computer for me, when I win the lottery
20:51:05 [AaronSw]
heh heh
20:51:20 [sbp]
so, what'ya been up to?
20:51:22 [sbp]
how's Plex?
20:51:32 [AaronSw]
Ok, did you get my email on it?
20:51:32 [sbp]
how's the family? how'
20:51:38 [sbp]
how's life? how's tricks?
20:51:43 [sbp]
yes, I did
20:51:46 [AaronSw]
tricks?
20:51:57 [sbp]
it appears to be an English expression
20:52:13 [sbp]
"how's tricks". Doesn't even the conventional rules of grammar follow
20:52:31 [sbp]
not that we should let those little weenies push us about
20:52:52 [sbp]
it means "how are things?"
20:52:57 [sbp]
.google "how's tricks"
20:52:57 [xena]
"how's tricks": http://www.k-hajime.com
20:54:51 [sbp]
ah: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:pub55.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm1.showMessage%3FtopicID%3D597.topic
20:57:17 [AaronSw]
Interesting.
20:58:03 [AaronSw]
Man, Microsoft software seems to be 90% off at MIT.
20:58:34 [sbp]
weird stuff: http://pub55.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm1.showMessage?topicID=1308.topic
21:01:01 [AaronSw]
.query sbp
21:01:04 [AaronSw]
oops
21:01:20 [sbp]
Erm...
21:01:29 [AaronSw]
.wn sbp
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.e sbp
21:05:23 [xena]
sbp: http://purl.org/net/sbp/
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:-)
21:05:33 [AaronSw]
.e aaronsw
21:05:37 [AaronSw]
.e AaronSw
21:05:37 [xena]
error: Site Error occurred: UnboundLocalError
21:05:41 [sbp]
lol
21:05:46 [AaronSw]
.google aaron
21:05:47 [xena]
aaron: http://www.aaronsw.com
21:05:50 [AaronSw]
:-)
21:05:52 [sbp]
Pff
21:05:57 [AaronSw]
.google sean
21:05:57 [xena]
sean: http://singbluesilver.manilasites.com
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21:17:17 [Morbus]
who is hammering who's server?
21:17:33 [AaronSw]
you, me
21:17:41 [Morbus]
um.
21:17:58 [AaronSw]
well, not you specifically, but the evil AmphetaDesk virus you unleashed into the wild.
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21:19:21 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
21:19:42 [AaronSw]
what's up with this? googlebot is still hitting these crazy pages.
21:19:50 [AaronSw]
it's like it doesn't understand relative links or something
21:20:35 [sbp]
first rule of site maintainance: let the Googlebot pass safetly in its journey, and all shall be well
21:20:49 [AaronSw]
heh, there's a whole googlebot.com
21:21:17 [sbp]
just redirects to google.com, though
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21:27:36 [sbp]
Aaaaaah, N3: http://www.w3.org/2001/Talks/10-earl/slide5-0.html
21:27:50 [AaronSw]
Cool!
21:36:54 [AaronSw]
Google has hit my site about 6100 times today, and it hasn't let up yet.
21:37:06 [sbp]
ooh, wow
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21:52:10 [AaronSw]
Take action: http://www.aclu.org/action/attorney107.html
21:52:24 [AaronSw]
stop Ashcroft's theft of civil liberties
21:54:59 [sbp]
Gotta run
21:55:02 [AaronSw]
bye
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22:51:55 [AaronSw]
Neat: http://ftp3.userland.com/ftpTest/Lawrence/2001/12/11.html#a330
22:55:36 [AaronSw]
Wow, Google can see into the future. Look at this:
22:55:37 [AaronSw]
logicerror.com/ - 3k - Fresh! 10 Mar 2009
22:57:46 [AaronSw]
from the second to last hit on http://www.google.com/search?q=swhack
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22:58:44 [AaronSw]
hey sbp. new cool google features:
22:58:57 [AaronSw]
it grabs pages so fast that it gets copies from the future.
22:59:06 [AaronSw]
see the logs
22:59:33 [sbp]
Um...
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the logs won't load
23:00:44 [AaronSw]
hmm
23:01:05 [sbp]
it's been like this for a few days now
23:01:14 [AaronSw]
the logs are working
23:01:20 [AaronSw]
maybe it's your computer
23:02:03 [sbp]
ah, here we go
23:02:35 [sbp]
oh, neat
23:03:00 [sbp]
to confirm:-
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[[[
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LogicError
23:03:02 [sbp]
... You might also be interested in the #swhack Chatlogs where I paste in
23:03:02 [sbp]
links I really should be adding to this site. How do you do it? ...
23:03:02 [sbp]
logicerror.com/ - 3k - Fresh! 10 Mar 2009 - Cached - Similar pages
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]]] - http://www.google.com/search?q=swhack
23:08:12 [AaronSw]
Google responds: "Thanks for sending this. There were rumors of this happening, but I don't know if anyone had an actual example."
23:08:35 [sbp]
Hey, neat
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* Morbus honks his nose like a Sesame Street character.
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* AaronSw cowers in fear
23:16:48 [AaronSw]
better link for above: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001013/2001/12/11.html#a330
23:16:57 [Morbus]
what's this?
23:17:07 [AaronSw]
new google feature
23:18:54 [Morbus]
i have so much crap to do, its pathetic.
23:19:28 [Morbus]
funny - disobey's the horror section was used in some research paper.
23:19:38 [Morbus]
thats the second time i know of disobey being used in a college paper
23:19:56 [Morbus]
and i know one teacher was using disobey as an example of good design. or something. i don't remember
23:21:12 [AaronSw]
Cool.
23:21:29 [AaronSw]
I think there are a couple of teachers who cited syndicateYourPage as an example for some XML thing.
23:21:42 [Morbus]
kickass.
23:24:25 [Morbus]
wow. neat. the new proteus hooks into jabber
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