IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-10

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00:07:42 [AaronSw]
@ http://logicerror.com/fragmentProblems
00:07:57 [chumpster]
A: http://logicerror.com/fragmentProblems from AaronSw
00:08:16 [AaronSw]
A:|The Problem With Fragments
00:08:17 [chumpster]
titled item A
00:08:34 [sbp]
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00:11:08 [sbp]
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* sbp sends his message about XPointer
00:12:12 [sbp]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2001Dec/0022
00:12:14 [chumpster]
B: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2001Dec/0022 from sbp
00:12:20 [sbp]
B:|Cool XPointers Do Change?
00:12:21 [chumpster]
titled item B
00:12:50 [sbp]
B::Why [http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/CR-xptr-20010911/|XPointer] must not go to recommendation in its current state
00:12:51 [chumpster]
commented item B
00:13:07 [AaronSw]
can you take a look at http://logicerror.com/fragmentProblems for me?
00:13:26 [sbp]
yep
00:14:47 [AaronSw]
thanks
00:15:06 [sbp]
Seems fine. I don't fully agree with some of the points (we've been over the details many times), but in general it's O.K.
00:28:04 [AaronSw]
Cool, thanks.
00:36:54 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.zevils.com/programs/imirc/
00:36:55 [chumpster]
C: http://www.zevils.com/programs/imirc/ from AaronSw
00:37:08 [AaronSw]
C:|IM->IRC Relay Server
00:37:09 [chumpster]
titled item C
00:37:15 [AaronSw]
C::Very nicely done.
00:37:16 [chumpster]
commented item C
00:37:18 [AaronSw]
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00:38:46 [AaronSw]
C::Installed on [idlenet|http://idlenet.org/] as AimServ, but doesn't seem to be working right now.
00:38:46 [chumpster]
commented item C
00:39:17 [sbp]
where is the topic line from?
00:40:02 [AaronSw]
I made it up.
00:40:49 [sbp]
Neat
00:41:02 [AaronSw]
I still think it's true.
00:43:28 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.google.com/mentalplex/MP_faq.html
00:43:30 [chumpster]
D: Google MentalPlex FAQ from AaronSw
00:43:50 [sbp]
lol
00:45:33 [sbp]
D::"""While MentalPlex does have the potential of probing your deepest darkest secrets and desires, this information is only used in aggregate and rarely sold to advertisers unless they ask very, very nicely."""
00:45:34 [chumpster]
commented item D
00:45:45 [AaronSw]
lol
00:46:23 [sbp]
Google knows all your secrets
00:46:39 [AaronSw]
It does.
00:46:46 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh: people who know what they want but have problems expressing themselves clearly (e.g., shy persons, 14-year-old boys and actors accepting Academy Awards)
00:47:03 [sbp]
shame we didn't read this a couple of months ago; I would have annoyed you no end
00:47:26 [sbp]
heh:-
00:47:26 [sbp]
[[[
00:47:26 [sbp]
Problem: MentalPlex keeps taking me to sites featuring rubber toys, nipples and diapering.
00:47:27 [sbp]
Answer: Your infant is too close to the monitor. If you have no children, you may want to consider counseling.
00:47:27 [sbp]
]]]
00:47:51 [AaronSw]
lol
00:48:52 [sbp]
I'm sure that Morbus' search results would come up with rubber toys and nipples a lot, but I dunno about diapers. He should certainly seek counseling, anyway
00:49:29 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
00:50:20 [sbp]
where is he, anyway?
00:50:39 [sbp]
logster, grep 1-1 <Morbus>
00:50:48 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 9153 answers for '<Morbus>' (showing 1...1)
00:50:49 [logster]
1) 2001-12-09 03:22:33 <Morbus> Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:51:15 [sbp]
ooh, amount of lines
00:51:19 [sbp]
logster, grep 1-1 <AaronSw>
00:51:46 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 19570 answers for '<AaronSw>' (showing 1...1)
00:51:47 [logster]
1) 2001-12-10 00:49:29 <AaronSw> Heh heh heh.
00:51:50 [sbp]
logster, grep 1-1 <sbp>
00:52:08 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 16566 answers for '<sbp>' (showing 1...1)
00:52:09 [logster]
1) 2001-12-10 00:51:19 <sbp> logster, grep 1-1 <AaronSw>
00:52:22 [sbp]
Pff. You win, Morbus loses
00:52:43 [sbp]
16568...
00:54:13 [sbp]
. print str(9153+19570+16569)
00:55:40 [sbp]
.py print str(9153+19570+16570)
00:55:40 [xena]
45293
01:16:53 [AaronSw]
.seen Morbus
01:16:54 [xena]
Morbus seen in #swhack saying: [ i got a cute little image on oreillynet'smain page. cool. ] ~ 1 day(s) 21 hr(s) 37 min(s) 51 sec(s) ago
01:17:24 [AaronSw]
logster, grep 1-1 .
01:17:51 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 54542 answers for '.' (showing 1...1)
01:17:52 [logster]
1) 2001-12-10 01:16:54 <xena> Morbus seen in #swhack saying: [ i got a cute little image on oreillynet'smain page. cool. ] ~ 1 day(s) 21 hr(s) 37 min(s) 51 sec(s) ago
01:19:38 [AaronSw]
.pt 54542 // 45293
01:19:45 [AaronSw]
.py 54542 / 45293.
01:19:45 [xena]
1.204203740092288
01:20:29 [AaronSw]
.py 45293 / 54542.
01:20:30 [xena]
0.83042426020314619
01:23:16 [sbp]
logster, grep 1-1 >
01:23:24 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 54548 answers for '>' (showing 1...1)
01:23:25 [logster]
1) 2001-12-10 01:20:30 <xena> 0.83042426020314619
01:23:50 [AaronSw]
. is a special regular expression character which matches anything
01:24:03 [sbp]
yeah, temp. forgot
01:24:24 [AaronSw]
And I now realize the reason logster takes so long is it has to put out those counts at the top
01:24:31 [AaronSw]
which means it needs to search the whole set of files]
01:24:47 [sbp]
so, 83% of #swhack ramblings are by us... neat
01:24:59 [sbp]
the #swhack triumvate
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02:31:51 [AaronSw]
sbp, your XPointers email is very good. I hope it gets approved.
02:34:53 [sbp]
thank you
02:34:59 [sbp]
so do I :-)
02:35:04 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
02:35:30 [AaronSw]
I think XPointer has definitely got some problems.
02:35:38 [AaronSw]
DanC also pointed out the RDF issue, I think.
02:35:38 [sbp]
* sbp is currently messing about with his homepage... one day I'll find a decent layout for it
02:35:49 [sbp]
ooh, do you have a reference?
02:37:01 [AaronSw]
Not to the list, but he mentioned it last time we did the Fragments Debate game.
02:37:24 [AaronSw]
.translate wel-eng goynifiad
02:39:10 [sbp]
.translate wel-eng gofyniad
02:39:41 [AaronSw]
What's it mean?
02:40:01 [AaronSw]
(Man, and I thought I had figured out the spelling too!)
02:40:05 [xena]
dized
02:40:43 [AaronSw]
.translate xena-eng dized
02:40:43 [xena]
incorrect syntax. see help tranlate for more info.
02:40:50 [xena]
error: Site Error occurred: IndexError
02:41:01 [sbp]
.google Gofyniad
02:41:02 [xena]
Gofyniad: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Oct/0040.html
02:41:08 [sbp]
heh!
02:41:50 [AaronSw]
The only docs with it are all in Welsch.
02:42:03 [AaronSw]
Or refer to your query system.
02:42:26 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
02:42:36 [sbp]
Well, what's the most obvious thing that it could be?
02:42:49 [AaronSw]
query?
02:42:57 [sbp]
:-)
02:43:12 [AaronSw]
Ask?
02:43:29 [AaronSw]
I doubt Ask would be such a long word...
02:43:32 [sbp]
er no, correct the first time
02:43:43 [AaronSw]
Really?
02:43:44 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
02:43:50 [AaronSw]
.rot13 dized
02:43:50 [sbp]
I think that it's query, but I'm hardly a Welsh dictionary
02:43:51 [xena]
qvmrq
02:44:13 [sbp]
:Sean a [ daml:disjointFrom :WelshDictionary ] .
02:44:26 [AaronSw]
:Sean a :WalkingWelschDictionary .
02:45:09 [sbp]
why do you keep adding the "c"? It's not German, y'know :-)
02:45:37 [AaronSw]
Probably because of my childhood love for Welch's Grape Juice.
02:46:22 [sbp]
Ah
02:46:45 [sbp]
.google "Welch's Grape Juice"
02:46:46 [xena]
"Welch's Grape Juice": http://www.welchs.com
02:47:13 [sbp]
@ http://www.welchs.com/
02:47:20 [chumpster]
E: http://www.welchs.com/ from sbp
02:47:28 [sbp]
E:|Aaron's Childhood Love
02:47:29 [chumpster]
titled item E
02:47:33 [AaronSw]
lol
02:47:48 [AaronSw]
E:|Welch's Grape Juice
02:47:49 [chumpster]
titled item E
02:47:51 [sbp]
E::Most people liked girls, (or boys if they were girls), but not Aaron; oh no, he had to be different
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commented item E
02:48:01 [sbp]
E::"""More and more pediatricians are recommending White 100% Grape Juice as the best juice to introduce to infants and toddlers."""
02:48:02 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:48:16 [sbp]
E::This is Aaron
02:48:17 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:48:27 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw collapses in fits of laughter
02:48:29 [sbp]
E::s/Aaron/Aaron's childhood love/
02:48:30 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:48:39 [sbp]
fucking ' key!
02:48:48 [AaronSw]
You do know I have to delete this from the archive now.
02:48:56 [sbp]
aaaaaaaargh! How many times have I come to grief on it?
02:49:00 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
02:50:14 [AaronSw]
E::Isn't it sad how sbp has to hide his true feelings by projecting them on others?
02:50:15 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:50:32 [AaronSw]
Hey, tonight is the first night of Chanukkah.
02:50:37 [sbp]
E::Shhhh!
02:50:38 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:50:47 [sbp]
First night of Hannukah? Neat
02:51:03 [sbp]
Did you light a candle, or whatever it is you're supposed to do?
02:51:09 [sbp]
.google Hannukah
02:51:09 [xena]
Hannukah: http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/festivls/hanuka
02:51:11 [AaronSw]
E::Perhaps sbp should "Register with Welch's Grapelink to become part of a community of Welch's consumers who receive product updates, coupons and special values from us."
02:51:12 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:51:16 [AaronSw]
Yep, two candles.
02:51:30 [AaronSw]
Well, actually 6 because there were three menoras.
02:51:41 [sbp]
E::Never even tried it, funnily enough. Must be an American thang
02:51:41 [chumpster]
commented item E
02:52:43 [sbp]
@ http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/festivls/hanuka/h2.html
02:52:47 [chumpster]
F: The essence of Hanuka\ from sbp
02:53:21 [AaronSw]
That's actually a pretty good page.
02:53:29 [AaronSw]
F:|Hanukkah: the essence
02:53:29 [chumpster]
titled item F
02:53:37 [sbp]
F::Light those menorahs, spin those dredels, it's the first night of Hannukah, ooh!
02:53:38 [chumpster]
commented item F
02:54:09 [AaronSw]
F::Fun, fun, fun!
02:54:11 [chumpster]
commented item F
02:54:18 [sbp]
* sbp can never spell Hebrew words correctly
02:54:18 [AaronSw]
F::The moder-day irony of it is killing me, though.
02:54:20 [chumpster]
commented item F
02:54:23 [AaronSw]
F::err modern
02:54:24 [chumpster]
commented item F
02:54:28 [sbp]
irony?
02:54:33 [AaronSw]
sbp, that's because there's no correct way to spell them.
02:54:39 [sbp]
something which is akin to an iron?
02:54:45 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:54:54 [sbp]
yeah, I know, but I guess that there are more consistent spellings than others
02:55:01 [AaronSw]
Yeah, the irony is that the holiday is about staying true to the religion in times of secularization.
02:55:19 [AaronSw]
So what do we do? Make it just like Christmas and have everyone celebrate it?
02:55:39 [sbp]
Hmm...
02:56:19 [sbp]
F::"Happy Hannukah, Monica", sings Phoebe
02:56:21 [chumpster]
commented item F
02:57:01 [sbp]
I think I'm holding my mouse wonky, or typing weirdly, because my wrist really hurts
02:57:20 [sbp]
Feels like it's a little dislocated
02:57:25 [AaronSw]
Yeah, that happened to me yesterday.
02:58:00 [sbp]
ah, shit, and if I try to bend it back into place, I get a rather sharp pain up my arm
02:58:11 [sbp]
* sbp types left handed
02:58:13 [AaronSw]
Ouch!
02:59:06 [sbp]
it's difficukt to avoid using your right hand for stuuf (or whatever hand you right with!)
02:59:35 [AaronSw]
yeah.
02:59:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries that.
02:59:49 [AaronSw]
Ow.
03:00:05 [AaronSw]
I had to do that last night while I was disinfecting my finger.
03:00:55 [sbp]
ooh, what did you do to it?
03:01:26 [AaronSw]
Nothing special.
03:01:36 [AaronSw]
Just had a cuticle.
03:01:56 [sbp]
you cut your icle? Painful, I'll bet
03:02:02 [AaronSw]
heh
03:06:33 [AaronSw]
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03:12:17 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh. From McCusker's weblog:
03:12:19 [AaronSw]
"""
03:12:20 [AaronSw]
Charles Kerr writes:
03:12:20 [AaronSw]
I started reading your weblog a few weeks ago when Cam linked to it.
03:12:20 [AaronSw]
At first I was just reading the Netscape story, which was interesting.
03:12:21 [AaronSw]
Then I got into Irondoc, since my app needs a small, free db like that.
03:12:21 [AaronSw]
Then I noticed I had started editing my sentences to cut to the point.
03:12:22 [AaronSw]
No sentence was more than a line long. This can't be a coincidence.
03:12:24 [AaronSw]
Is a support group available?
03:12:26 [AaronSw]
"""
03:12:44 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
03:13:35 [sbp]
I wanted to start avoiding a letter, but it's difficult (as we found out)
03:14:11 [AaronSw]
Yep.
03:16:18 [AaronSw]
Perhaps danbri might learn DMc's new lang once he finishes with .rb.
03:16:30 [AaronSw]
Man, that's too hard.
03:18:07 [sbp]
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03:23:16 [sbp]
@ http://web.archive.org/web/20010609190756/groups.yahoo.com/group/python-list/message/11548
03:23:23 [chumpster]
G: http://web.archive.org/web/20010609190756/groups.yahoo.com/group/python-list/message/11548 from sbp
03:24:21 [sbp]
G:|Re: Python, Tcl and Perl, oh my! (was Re: tcl vs. perl)
03:24:21 [AaronSw]
G::I really hate how python-list got deleted from Yahoogroups.
03:24:21 [chumpster]
titled item G
03:24:23 [chumpster]
commented item G
03:24:47 [sbp]
Why did it get deleted?
03:25:18 [AaronSw]
I don't know.
03:25:24 [AaronSw]
But I've run into it tons of times.
03:26:17 [dngxor_]
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03:29:31 [AaronSw]
G::It's interesting that in this letter DanC says that he'll probably never need to use Python.
03:29:32 [chumpster]
commented item G
03:29:59 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
03:32:05 [AaronSw]
G::Dan's [homepage from around that time|http://web.archive.org/web/19970316172027/http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/People/Connolly/] is interesting too. He used to have [a webcam|http://beach.w3.org/officecam.html].
03:32:07 [chumpster]
commented item G
03:35:42 [AaronSw]
The Web archive is so much fun.
03:38:33 [AaronSw]
Hmm, there's a .nl Daniel A. Connolly running about.
03:41:05 [sbp]
http://web.archive.org/web/19980110044258/http://beach.w3.org/
03:42:09 [AaronSw]
Heh, it's a franken-PC.
03:42:09 [sbp]
leads to pancake and shoal, too
03:42:28 [AaronSw]
Where does he get his names?
03:44:55 [AaronSw]
.google decss haiku
03:44:56 [xena]
decss haiku: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/decss-haiku.txt
03:45:03 [AaronSw]
lol
03:45:38 [sbp]
cool stuff:-
03:45:40 [sbp]
[[[
03:45:40 [sbp]
RDF primer ideas:
03:45:40 [sbp]
things versus their names
03:45:40 [sbp]
hmm... should all naming properties descend from rdfs:label? how about dc:title, dc:identifier? log:uri?
03:45:40 [sbp]
naming conventions: in addition to Class vs. property... what part of speech? isVersionOf versus version vs. hasVersion
03:45:41 [sbp]
comments: use full sentences! don't say "the size of the object". say "for size(X, Y) read: the size of X is Y."
03:45:49 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
03:46:10 [sbp]
yes, I came across that Haiku page a while ago... rather funny
03:46:43 [sbp]
descending all naming properties from rdfs:label is an interesting idea
03:47:04 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
03:47:05 [sbp]
I think I convinced him at one point that dc:title rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:label
03:47:21 [sbp]
in fact, the range of dc:title is undefined; it's not necessarily a literal
03:47:37 [sbp]
and therefore, it can't (may not?) be a subProperty. More like the other way around
03:48:02 [sbp]
I've no idea what he means by naming conventions. I should ask him
03:48:45 [sbp]
I know the difference between the terms, but (apart from the inverses) they should be equivalent
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04:03:44 [sbp]
"I want to work on formal systems by day, and go bowling by night"
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(or vice versa)
04:04:02 [AaronSw]
cite?
04:04:31 [sbp]
me, just now
04:04:55 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:05:17 [sbp]
And yes, I have considered that it gets dark at night... I figure I'll bowl indoors
04:05:28 [AaronSw]
Good idea.
04:05:53 [sbp]
Ooh! Message from Tim on # vs. /
04:05:59 [AaronSw]
Where?
04:06:12 [sbp]
[[[
04:06:12 [sbp]
I uyse the term "document" because unfortunately "resource" has been
04:06:12 [sbp]
used differently in URI and RDF specs. I mean by "document"
04:06:12 [sbp]
"resource" as in URI. DAML uses the term "Thing" to mean what RDF
04:06:12 [sbp]
terms a resource.
04:06:17 [sbp]
]]] - www-rdf-interest
04:06:30 [sbp]
Check your mail (in a minute)
04:06:53 [AaronSw]
document is a really confusing term for Thing. ;-)
04:07:03 [sbp]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2001Dec/0058
04:08:14 [AaronSw]
I love this way to get DeCSS:
04:08:15 [AaronSw]
for DVDs in Linux screw the MPAA and ; do dig $DVDs.z.zoy.org @ns1.or.com ; done | \
04:08:15 [AaronSw]
  perl -ne 's/\.//g; print pack("H224",$1) if(/^x([^z]*)/)' | gunzip
04:10:35 [sbp]
So now we have documents and things. Wonderful
04:14:29 [AaronSw]
Tim's view is very confusing.
04:14:51 [AaronSw]
I doubt it is consistent.
04:15:56 [sbp]
Perhaps he will answer some more emails
04:17:35 [sbp]
"the best way to make data persistent is to put it in the identifier"
04:18:11 [sbp]
- [ foaf:nick "sbp" ] ., #swhack
04:18:44 [sbp]
actually, that's not quite true
04:19:05 [AaronSw]
That only makes data as persistent as the identifier.
04:19:05 [sbp]
I could state that I have made a new programming language, and that "x" means to print out my name 1000 times
04:19:12 [sbp]
yeah, exactly
04:19:35 [sbp]
data:application/my-wacky-programming-language,x
04:20:09 [AaronSw]
you should really use an x-mime type
04:20:20 [sbp]
who cares?
04:20:25 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:20:38 [sbp]
plus, it's not like these logs are publically archived or anything
04:20:41 [AaronSw]
The best way to make data persistent is to put it in the swhack logs.
04:20:57 [AaronSw]
Someday I'll take all the logs and mail them to www-archive or something. :-)
04:21:03 [sbp]
:-)
04:21:04 [sbp]
I'll bet you'll lose them somehow
04:21:20 [AaronSw]
Actually, I should set up a script to do that nightly.
04:21:26 [sbp]
The best way to make data persistent is to have as many copies of it as possible
04:21:33 [AaronSw]
Yep.
04:21:38 [sbp]
Hmm... what are the terms for www-archive?
04:21:52 [AaronSw]
I'm going to take out ads in the New York Times and include compressed versions of the #swhack logs.
04:21:59 [AaronSw]
That should take care of things.
04:22:08 [sbp]
I mean, I'm sure you can't send spam there, or 5GB files
04:22:13 [AaronSw]
You're sure?
04:22:13 [sbp]
NYTimes: how much does it cost?
04:22:24 [sbp]
I'm not 100% sure, but it'd be odd
04:22:28 [AaronSw]
Good point. Maybe we should make it a feature article.
04:23:19 [sbp]
:-)
04:23:44 [AaronSw]
Or we could encode it into the architecture of some skyscraper.
04:24:59 [AaronSw]
You can include it as an apendix to your best-selling autobiography.
04:26:06 [sbp]
Aaron, I asked you politely not to mention that I'm writing an autobiography
04:26:16 [sbp]
And what do you go and do?
04:26:20 [AaronSw]
You did?
04:26:24 [AaronSw]
I don't remember that...
04:26:30 [sbp]
Feed it into the most persistent information stream in the world
04:26:40 [sbp]
Well, thank you; thanks a lot
04:26:40 [AaronSw]
Perhaps I should consult the New York Times on this issue.
04:26:50 [sbp]
Heh, heh, heh
04:27:09 [sbp]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/0056
04:27:09 [AaronSw]
Ooh, another good idea: email it to the President.
04:27:11 [chumpster]
H: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/0056 from sbp
04:27:19 [sbp]
how would that make it persistent?
04:27:26 [sbp]
H:|www-archive?
04:27:27 [AaronSw]
The National Archives has decided to store all presidential emails.
04:27:27 [chumpster]
titled item H
04:27:34 [sbp]
Ooh, great
04:27:50 [sbp]
Dear Mr. President, Here are the #swhack logs as you requested
04:27:58 [sbp]
I presume that you have this all on CD?
04:28:03 [sbp]
And it's on Alexa
04:28:07 [sbp]
it'll be on the Plex
04:28:17 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
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04:30:29 [sbp]
How big would a .tar.gz of the archives be?
04:30:59 [AaronSw]
with all 3 formats?
04:31:07 [sbp]
just text/plain
04:31:51 [sbp]
We could .tar.gz it, put it onto 100s of C.D.'s, and mail it to people as presents
04:32:11 [AaronSw]
That'd make a great birthday present!
04:32:17 [AaronSw]
uncompressed it's only 3.4Mb
04:32:19 [sbp]
yes!
04:32:20 [AaronSw]
err MB
04:32:25 [sbp]
compressed?
04:32:35 [sbp]
compress it, and bung it on the Web!
04:32:53 [sbp]
Might fit it onto a floppy disc. Even better
04:33:59 [AaronSw]
Just a sec...
04:34:11 [AaronSw]
Ooh, only 1.1M
04:34:17 [sbp]
great!
04:34:30 [sbp]
Even I don't mind hosting that
04:34:37 [AaronSw]
http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/textlogs.tgz
04:34:54 [sbp]
We should be able to get the whole of #swhack 2001 onto a floppy disc. Great news
04:35:33 [AaronSw]
indeed
04:35:45 [AaronSw]
Just hope compression algorithms get better over time.
04:35:50 [AaronSw]
err continue to
04:35:54 [sbp]
Yes :-)
04:36:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has that script run nightly
04:36:11 [sbp]
Soon, we'll only need one character
04:36:19 [AaronSw]
lol
04:36:32 [sbp]
er...
04:36:36 [sbp]
s/weblog/archives/
04:36:37 [AaronSw]
they'll build the logs into the compression format ;-)
04:36:49 [sbp]
exactly :-)
04:37:49 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw takes this opportunity to check on his offsite backups
04:38:22 [AaronSw]
H::I [respond|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Dec/0057].
04:38:24 [chumpster]
commented item H
04:38:55 [sbp]
I like your gist
04:39:03 [sbp]
* sbp has downloaded the archive...
04:39:19 [sbp]
Hmm... I wonder how many pages of text the .tar.gz is?
04:39:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to remember the IP address of his offsite backups
04:39:33 [AaronSw]
how long is a page of text?
04:39:51 [AaronSw]
it's 4012 lines long
04:40:20 [AaronSw]
well, depends on how you count i guess
04:41:35 [sbp]
* sbp prints
04:42:04 [sbp]
3500 and rising...
04:42:16 [AaronSw]
3500 pages?
04:42:25 [sbp]
c.4130
04:42:28 [AaronSw]
what size are you printing it out as?
04:42:32 [AaronSw]
500pt?
04:42:44 [sbp]
no, Courier 10
04:43:05 [sbp]
Courier New, rather
04:43:24 [AaronSw]
I have trouble believing that... it must represent the characters in some funny way.
04:43:32 [sbp]
Yeah, most probably
04:44:50 [sbp]
first 8 lines of the logs:-
04:44:51 [sbp]
[[[
04:44:51 [sbp]
20:43:27 <loggy_1> loggy_1 (sbp-logger@v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET) has joined #sbp
04:44:51 [sbp]
20:43:27 <forward.openprojects.net> topic is: Welcome to #sbp!
04:44:51 [sbp]
20:43:27 <forward.openprojects.net> Users on #sbp: loggy_1 AaronSw sbp
04:44:52 [sbp]
20:43:27 <ChanServ> Welcome to #sbp, the RDF, SW, and XHTML notepad
04:44:54 [sbp]
20:43:34 <sbp> Hey, hi loggy
04:44:56 [sbp]
20:43:48 <AaronSw> loggy says hello
04:44:58 [sbp]
20:43:50 <sbp> Where is it logging to?
04:45:00 [sbp]
20:44:03 <AaronSw> http://blogspace.com/sean/chatlogs/
04:45:02 [sbp]
]]]
04:45:22 [AaronSw]
Would you stop linking to that URI?
04:45:23 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:45:39 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
04:46:12 [sbp]
it's the *first* URI in the #swhack logs, and you broke it!
04:46:25 [sbp]
why don't you just redirect it?
04:46:27 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
04:46:32 [AaronSw]
You can't prove it ever existed.
04:46:37 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:46:56 [sbp]
true
04:47:00 [AaronSw]
I figured that it only existed for like 5 minutes, there was no harm in getting rid of it.
04:47:40 [sbp]
And what happened to my blogspace page?
04:48:19 [AaronSw]
You never had one.
04:48:31 [sbp]
ooh, you and your ways!
04:48:49 [AaronSw]
Why would you have a blogspace page?
04:48:51 [AaronSw]
I'm serious here.
04:49:18 [sbp]
You gave me it so that I could test out blogspace
04:49:30 [sbp]
And I posted some comments there, and so on
04:49:37 [AaronSw]
oh, that.
04:49:53 [AaronSw]
That should still be there.
04:50:05 [AaronSw]
But I don't claim it will be very persistent.
04:50:17 [AaronSw]
I warned you about that from the start.
04:51:20 [sbp]
I'm pretty sure it's not there
04:51:27 [AaronSw]
I see it.
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04:54:01 [AaronSw]
sbp is the preeminant CWM hacker.
04:55:00 [sbp]
neat. Does he haev a homepage, or contact information, or something?
04:55:17 [AaronSw]
I keep trying to contact him, but he only responds in cryptic N3 rules.
04:56:13 [sbp]
{ :Sean :wonders :WhatAaronMeans } log:implies { :Aaron :willProbablyNot :ExpandFurther } .
04:56:22 [AaronSw]
See!
04:56:42 [sbp]
:-)
04:59:04 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http://infomesh.net/swns/swn.xsl&xmlfile=http://infomesh.net/swns/swn.rdf
04:59:17 [chumpster]
I: http://www.w3.org/2000/06/webdata/xslt?xslfile=http://infomesh.net/swns/swn.xsl&xmlfile=http://infomesh.net/swns/swn.rdf from AaronSw
04:59:22 [AaronSw]
I:|SWN: Terms for the Semantic Web
04:59:23 [chumpster]
titled item I
04:59:28 [AaronSw]
I::Further proof of Sean's insanity.
04:59:29 [chumpster]
commented item I
04:59:53 [sbp]
I::As if you needed it?
04:59:54 [chumpster]
commented item I
05:00:00 [AaronSw]
I was about to say the same thing!
05:00:09 [sbp]
:-)
05:00:32 [sbp]
It's great managing the whole lot with CWM, though
05:01:03 [sbp]
and when XSLT is widely supported...
05:01:14 [AaronSw]
cwm needs an xslt builtin!
05:02:09 [sbp]
yeah, that'd be neat
05:02:42 [AaronSw]
OK, I expect it done in the morning.
05:02:49 [AaronSw]
I'll go to bed as to give you time to hack. ;-)
05:03:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw packs torture devices for extracting sbp's middle name
05:03:34 [sbp]
Heh, heh
05:04:39 [sbp]
as long as you don't start going "well, is it...", then you'll be alright
05:04:50 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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05:06:22 [sbp]
.time
05:06:22 [xena]
2001/12/10 05:07:55.2844 Universal
05:06:23 [deltab]
Bumplestiltskin?
05:06:33 [AaronSw]
lol
05:06:44 [sbp]
well, smeg my fuzzy goat, and call it Randy
05:06:47 [AaronSw]
I need to trackdown deltab while I'm there too.
05:07:06 [sbp]
I heard that he lives in a cave in Yorkshire
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05:08:22 [AaronSw]
Really, now... hmm
05:09:06 [sbp]
Anyway, I have a teleconference tomorrow afternoon, so I'd better go to bed
05:09:16 [AaronSw]
Fine, be that way. ;-)
05:09:25 [sbp]
well, alright then, I will
05:09:32 [deltab]
cp archive/swn-temp.rdf archive/swn.rdf
05:09:32 [deltab]
rm archive/swn-temp.rdf
05:09:41 [deltab]
there's this command called mv
05:09:46 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
05:09:51 [sbp]
ah... thanks
05:10:49 [AaronSw]
i better be off now to
05:10:55 [AaronSw]
nite all
05:10:57 [sbp]
so, what does "mv" do?
05:11:00 [sbp]
'night, Aaron
05:11:13 [AaronSw]
mv moves a file from one place to another
05:11:22 [sbp]
really??? wow!
05:11:30 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's SO COOL!
05:11:41 [sbp]
how did I ever get along without that?
05:11:59 [AaronSw]
deltab, is mv transactional?
05:12:10 [deltab]
it's atomic
05:12:56 [AaronSw]
yeah, that's what i meant.
05:12:57 [AaronSw]
hmm:
05:13:02 [AaronSw]
As the rename(2) call does not work across file systems, mv uses cp(1)
05:13:02 [AaronSw]
and rm(1) to accomplish the move. The effect is equivalent to:
05:13:54 [AaronSw]
anyway, nite
05:14:01 [sbp]
cp $1 $2; rm $1 # ?
05:14:04 [sbp]
'night
05:14:27 [AaronSw]
no, actually:
05:14:28 [AaronSw]
rm -f destination_path && \
05:14:28 [AaronSw]
cp -PRp source_file destination && \
05:14:29 [AaronSw]
rm -rf source_file
05:15:05 [sbp]
ah, of course! Why do it the easy way when you can have all the extra crap for free
05:16:21 [sbp]
well, off I had better run
05:16:32 [sbp]
"To run I have got to"
05:17:41 [deltab]
http://infomesh.net/swns/terms-filter.n3 is missing
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15:05:31 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: I store my private information in the New York Times.
15:09:12 [sbp]
:-)
15:39:33 [Morbus]
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Morbus has arrived!
15:44:59 [Morbus]
mmhmhm
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16:18:56 [sbp]
wb
16:25:57 [Morbus]
thanks, i think.
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17:26:33 [sbp]
ping
17:26:55 [sbp]
"17:26:33 <sbp> ping" - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-10.txt
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* Morbus yawns.
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18:49:22 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
18:49:22 [sbp]
Hi Aaron
18:49:22 [Morbus]
* Morbus waves too!
18:49:22 [AaronSw]
hi!
18:49:22 [Morbus]
yay!
18:49:22 [Morbus]
let's dance!
18:49:22 [sbp]
ooh!
18:49:23 [Morbus]
aah!
18:49:23 [sbp]
* sbp twingles
18:49:28 [AaronSw]
be bop a boo bop
18:49:29 [Morbus]
* Morbus pringles
18:49:46 [AaronSw]
I got this cool present yesterday: It's the Beatles Anthology book. It's quite heavy, though.
18:49:49 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Geek Dancing
18:50:15 [sbp]
Present?
18:50:15 [Morbus]
how come the server msg's don't tell you who set the topic now?
18:50:25 [Morbus]
yeah, isn't it the start of something?
18:50:34 [Morbus]
i dunno. i should just shut my off before i say something stupid.
18:50:55 [AaronSw]
Morbus, they tell me: *** GabeW has changed the topic to "Geek Dancing"
18:51:03 [GabeW]
hehe
18:51:09 [AaronSw]
Heh, shut your off?
18:51:11 [sbp]
yeah, I got that too, but I don't think it shows up on the logs that way
18:51:20 [AaronSw]
Oh, that's bad.
18:51:21 [sbp]
heh, heh
18:51:28 [Morbus]
odd. i own see: [13:51] *** zahn.openprojects.net has changed the topic on channel #swhack to Geek Dancing
18:51:48 [sbp]
own? off? What are you talking about?
18:51:56 [Morbus]
jesus christ, i have no fucking clue <G>
18:52:00 [Morbus]
what the frel is wrong with me.
18:52:22 [sbp]
"18:49:49 <carter.openprojects.net> carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Geek Dancing" - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-10.txt
18:52:41 [Morbus]
ha ha! see! i'm not nuts.
18:52:48 [sbp]
ItMorbus speak
18:52:59 [sbp]
er... viz., it's Morbus speak
18:53:25 [sbp]
that was the result of me trying to edit a sentence with a guitar on my lap, and pressing \n
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19:22:41 [Morbus]
* Morbus whistles a happy ditty.
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19:30:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw curses Entourage
19:31:02 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
19:31:07 [Morbus]
what happened?
19:31:24 [AaronSw]
All the sudden it decided to move my 500 message archive into my inbox
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19:31:38 [Morbus]
ah. yes. it knows better than you, remember.
19:33:55 [AaronSw]
sorry, 808 messages
19:37:47 [Morbus]
so whatcha gonna do?
19:37:55 [AaronSw]
I moved them back
19:38:10 [Morbus]
and that's it? sheesh. sure, let entourage roll right over you.
19:38:13 [Morbus]
<g>
19:38:16 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
19:41:42 [Morbus]
sbps doing some rss agg with n3's, he told me?
19:41:53 [AaronSw]
yeah.
19:42:00 [AaronSw]
he's got some n3 transforms to turn RSS into XHTML
19:42:10 [Morbus]
ah.
19:42:24 [AaronSw]
In the future, it seems like N3 will do everythign
19:42:25 [AaronSw]
;-)
19:42:29 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
19:42:32 [Morbus]
uh huh
19:42:44 [Morbus]
when it's gonna hook into .net? <G>
19:43:08 [AaronSw]
when pigs can fly ;-)
19:43:32 [Morbus]
well, jeez, that's a long time, old chap. :)
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19:47:10 [Morbus]
i may be tech editing a book on paper prototyping
19:50:05 [AaronSw]
Is that like prototyping books, or ui?
19:50:19 [AaronSw]
wtf? the 500 messages moved back!
19:51:26 [Morbus]
no, not code prototyping, ui. lemme get you the article, based on the book, or the article the book is springing from, yeah.
19:51:36 [Morbus]
hahaha, see, entourage doesn't like you! it rolled over you once, now yer it's bitch.
19:51:46 [Morbus]
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/usability/library/us-paper/
19:52:11 [Morbus]
that's the one. to make sure i get the job, i get to tech edit that paper for some bones, and if i do a good job, then i'll be recommended
19:53:06 [AaronSw]
so tech editors are like professional nitpickers?
19:53:23 [AaronSw]
isn't UI what i said?
19:53:53 [Morbus]
well, they're more than copyeditros, which just check spelling, grammer, and crap. so, yeah, its a nitpciker - making sure things flow, making sure examples make sense, ideas are presented correctly, etc.
19:54:09 [Morbus]
yeah, ui is what you said, but in this case, she's prototyping a ui, so it was a little of both of what you said :)
19:54:27 [AaronSw]
I said prototyping UI!
19:54:38 [AaronSw]
is it prototyping (books or ui)
19:54:54 [AaronSw]
=> (prototyping books) or (prototyping ui)
19:54:55 [AaronSw]
sheesh
19:55:00 [Morbus]
oOh. ok. i was reading "prototpying books" or "ui", not "prototyping books" or "protoyping ui".
19:55:17 [Morbus]
yeah, what you said :)
19:55:36 [AaronSw]
:-)
19:55:37 [Morbus]
don't get all snippey with me. i'm horny as a devil, and not thinking straight.
19:55:40 [Morbus]
:)
19:55:51 [AaronSw]
mtintk
19:56:04 [AaronSw]
Robb Beal, if you're reading this, your mac.com mailbox is full.
19:56:07 [Morbus]
what the hell sorta acronym is that?
19:56:12 [Morbus]
oh, right. nevermind.
19:56:22 [Morbus]
i hate acronyms.
19:56:24 [AaronSw]
.acronym mtintk
19:56:26 [xena]
mtintk:
19:56:30 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
19:56:40 [AaronSw]
.acronym iha
19:56:41 [xena]
iha: I Hate Acronyms :-), Ihlas Haber Ajansi (Private News Agency in Turkey), Imperial Household Agency (Japan), Independent Homeworkers Alliance, Integrated Healthcare Association, Interim Housing Allowance, International Huntington Association
19:56:47 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:01:18 [AaronSw]
What is it with Zope people using the Python website design. You think just becaus you buy the company you get to use their website design?
20:01:40 [Morbus]
don't look at me.
20:01:53 [Morbus]
i had nothing to do with this one.
20:02:10 [AaronSw]
Ah, it must have been Barry Warsaw's fault then.
20:02:35 [sbp]
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20:03:02 [AaronSw]
sbip sbop sbap sboop sbop!
20:03:32 [sbp]
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair on
20:04:01 [sbp]
* sbp feels that he's jumped straight back into the geek dancing
20:06:11 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: To decrypt DVDs: 811031031982240
20:08:30 [sbp]
what's that?
20:09:18 [AaronSw]
The Player key
20:09:26 [AaronSw]
for the Xing DVD player
20:09:37 [sbp]
Hmm...
20:09:45 [sbp]
You want to put in the SHA of the program
20:10:05 [AaronSw]
Hmm, perhaps it's 812061972240
20:10:11 [AaronSw]
the Haiku is hard to follow
20:10:49 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: "So this number is, / once again, the player key: / (trade secret haiku?) / Eighty-one; and then / one hundred three -- two times; then / two hundred (less three) / two hundred twenty / four; and last (of course not least) / the humble zero."
20:10:53 [GabeW]
hey, this is #h0twar3z
20:11:03 [sbp]
Heh, perhaps it's jumping the gun a bit to start referring to files by SHA, and assuming that they will be transferred to the Plex...
20:11:41 [sbp]
yes, perhaps we should be having those discussions in there :-)
20:11:45 [AaronSw]
I like this: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/css-auth.mid
20:11:51 [AaronSw]
WSJ: "like Philip Glass on acid"
20:12:03 [GabeW]
I can't imagine what philip glass on acid would be
20:12:15 [Morbus]
goddamit, i hate when my window stops blinking.
20:12:23 [Morbus]
lookit all this good stuff i'm missing.
20:13:07 [sbp]
the list of ways is best: http://decss.zoy.org/
20:16:03 [AaronSw]
My favorite is the prime number
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20:18:45 [Morbus]
hmmm...
20:18:52 [Morbus]
ok. my gf just got me a gift.
20:19:02 [Morbus]
its over 200 bucks, its a lifetime warranty, and i should use it every day.
20:19:41 [AaronSw]
We're supposed to guess what it is?
20:19:49 [Morbus]
well, i'm tryin gto as well.
20:20:03 [Morbus]
it cant be this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B00005B6YG/tech-data/ref=e_de_a_td/104-5235700-8306341
20:20:16 [Morbus]
which is abut the only thing i know over 200 bucks that i want.
20:20:18 [Morbus]
so i have no clue.
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20:31:08 [sbp]
dig for CygWin?
20:31:12 [sbp]
.google "dig for CygWin"
20:31:14 [xena]
no results found.
20:32:40 [Morbus]
http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=cygwin.com
20:32:58 [Morbus]
hmm, thats not dig. nevermind./
20:33:07 [Morbus]
what are you trying to do, sbp?
20:33:13 [AaronSw]
heh, cool, it works
20:33:16 [AaronSw]
he's trying to do this:
20:33:17 [AaronSw]
for DVDs in Linux screw the MPAA and ; do dig $DVDs.z.zoy.org ; done | perl -ne 's/\.//g; print pack("H224",$1) if(/^x([^z]*)/)' | gunzip
20:33:35 [AaronSw]
it even comes with a GPL license
20:33:39 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:33:43 [AaronSw]
* This little piece of software was brought to you by a DNS server.
20:33:43 [AaronSw]
*****************************************************************************/
20:34:46 [sbp]
I like:-
20:34:50 [sbp]
/*****************************************************************************
20:34:50 [sbp]
* This little piece of software was brought to you by a Favicon
20:34:50 [sbp]
*****************************************************************************/
20:35:38 [AaronSw]
Where's that?
20:36:02 [sbp]
in the favicon
20:36:06 [AaronSw]
aha
20:37:02 [GabeW]
well, there is always dnsjava
20:37:27 [GabeW]
or I'm sure there's a python util to that or I'm sure you can build dig
20:39:29 [sbp]
* sbp won't bother :-)
20:41:01 [AaronSw]
Ok, everyone, we're moving to decss.zoy.org as our IRC server ;-)
20:42:06 [GabeW]
actually dnsjava is quite usable as a dig tool
20:46:07 [AaronSw]
lol @ dcss mud!
20:50:48 [sbp]
We need variables in CWM
20:51:14 [sbp]
?x log:lexReprOf log:CurrentTime . ?y log:lexReprOf log:CWMVersion .
20:53:59 [AaronSw]
Heh, did you notice the zoy.org website says "this document validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict & CSS and is best viewed with your eyes"
20:54:34 [Morbus]
10.1.2 may be coming out soon.
20:54:40 [AaronSw]
Ooh.
20:55:02 [Morbus]
know of any good repositories for script menu junk?
20:55:10 [AaronSw]
No, not off hand.
20:55:20 [Morbus]
i just wrote a perl script that would concat directories/files down to 31 characters to live in classic with no problem
20:55:32 [Morbus]
cos byrning cds was getting to be a pain.
20:55:44 [Morbus]
with iso, and classic not understanding long filenames, and yadda yadda.
20:55:53 [Morbus]
even toast 5 for x doesnt' understand long filenames :(
20:56:55 [carter.openprojects.net]
carter.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: for DVDs in Linux screw the MPAA and ; do dig $DVDs.z.zoy.org ; done | perl -ne 's/\.//g; print pack("H224",$1) if(/^x([^z]*)/)' | gunzip
20:57:22 [Morbus]
hyheh, heh: http://www.flakmag.com/web/worstad.html
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21:02:00 [sbp]
heh, heh: "The man's name is James Banks. His wife's name is Ilona Banks. She calls him James Parkson."
21:02:07 [Morbus]
:)
21:04:15 [sbp]
"y'know, just for fun"
21:05:58 [AaronSw]
Morbus, on Versiontracker there's a program that converts Entourage stuff to email archives
21:06:06 [Morbus]
mmhmm. i know.
21:06:22 [Morbus]
i had an AS that converted it to Eudora boxes, which are just like sendmail drops.
21:10:55 [sbp]
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21:12:50 [Morbus]
http://www.poweronsoftware.com/store/products/actionmenus/amfree.html
21:12:54 [Morbus]
ever heard of that? its free for now.
21:13:26 [Morbus]
hmm. not for me.
21:14:46 [AaronSw]
HEH
21:14:47 [AaronSw]
oops
21:14:48 [AaronSw]
heh
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21:18:44 [AaronSw]
Ooh, I can hear the message at the end of Free As A Bird!
21:18:56 [Morbus]
what the hell: http://mirror.icnetwork.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=11471588&method=full
21:19:04 [AaronSw]
"Turned out nice again..."
21:19:26 [AaronSw]
"Getting used to it"
21:19:28 [AaronSw]
(?)
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21:23:46 [Morbus]
hey AaronSw, how many of your Services work under os x?
21:23:56 [Morbus]
almost every app i'm in, the damn things are greyed out. even in the finde.r
21:24:03 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
21:24:35 [AaronSw]
yeah, same here
21:24:43 [Morbus]
OOoH!
21:24:45 [Morbus]
http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/Sample_Code/Cocoa/Moriarity.htm
21:25:07 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
21:26:29 [Morbus]
whoo hoo!
21:26:36 [Morbus]
my article was linked from MacFixit. :)
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21:42:07 [AaronSw]
whoa, the finder quit
21:45:39 [AaronSw]
revolution number 9 is freaky with headphones on
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23:04:36 [sbp]
Heh, I reversed the message at the end of "Free As A Bird" when I got it, too
23:07:05 [sbp]
* sbp plays "In Through The Out Door" as he has been pretty much consistently for days now
23:07:07 [AaronSw]
I'm not so sure about the last part.
23:07:19 [AaronSw]
When I turned the volume up i couldn't make it out as well
23:08:03 [sbp]
Weird, I'm certainly in a Saurez mood
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* sbp waves to Gabe
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"Fool In The Rain"
23:09:32 [GabeW]
* GabeW waves back to sbp
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23:19:17 [Morbus]
apple linked to my flipping o'reilly article~!
23:19:44 [AaronSw]
where?!
23:19:54 [AaronSw]
i don't believe it
23:20:51 [Morbus]
http://developer.apple.com/internet/
23:22:37 [sbp]
wow, congrats.
23:22:56 [Morbus]
thanks!
23:22:59 [sbp]
* sbp can confirm it's not a Camwhore induced hallucination
23:23:00 [sbp]
[[[
23:23:00 [sbp]
Apache on Mac OS X
23:23:01 [sbp]
The O'Reilly Mac DevCenter recently published the first in a series on Web serving with Apache on Mac OS X.
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]]] - http://developer.apple.com/internet/
23:24:52 [AaronSw]
wow, i'm speechless
23:25:48 [Morbus]
and you thought i was lying :P
23:25:48 [Morbus]
:)
23:26:13 [AaronSw]
We still haven't ruled out one possibility: you could have cracked into their apache server
23:26:18 [AaronSw]
;-)
23:26:26 [Morbus]
heh. you are just so unwilling ;)
23:26:34 [AaronSw]
heh heh heh
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23:27:18 [AaronSw]
You have to admit it is a bit suspicious: you say that they linked to you and all of the sudden the link is on their site
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23:27:29 [Morbus]
uh <g>
23:27:59 [AaronSw]
They sure have a lot of contributers http://developer.apple.com/internet/contributors.html
23:28:04 [AaronSw]
watch out, they might just hire you
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23:29:50 [AaronSw]
Morbus, you can just think of me as your self-doubt. ;-)
23:30:18 [sbp]
I doubt he will do
23:30:54 [sbp]
What did you think of my GET/POST idea, Aaron?
23:31:03 [AaronSw]
It's an awesome idea.
23:31:06 [Morbus]
-heh, heh. thanks AaronSw, i have enough doubt already :)
23:31:12 [AaronSw]
;-)
23:31:25 [AaronSw]
Fine, i'll tone it down a little
23:31:39 [AaronSw]
sbp, the problem is, i'm too lazy to implement it
23:31:46 [sbp]
Heh, heh
23:32:08 [AaronSw]
And do we really want any old jerk on the web making my computer say stuff?
23:32:10 [sbp]
Well, I can do the GET redirect, but I haven't got a persistent enough connection to manage the POST
23:32:21 [sbp]
sure? why not?
23:32:26 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
23:32:41 [sbp]
any old jerk could just come in and say stuff, plus you can still ban IP addresses etc.
23:32:44 [AaronSw]
The most persistent stream in the world is a closely-guarded resource!
23:32:52 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
23:33:01 [AaronSw]
At least we can kick and ban users who come in.
23:33:06 [AaronSw]
It'd be much harder with the web interface.
23:33:13 [sbp]
* sbp drops a pile of waste into the stream
23:33:25 [AaronSw]
But what would you use it for?
23:33:50 [AaronSw]
The other problem is that I'm not hacking logger perl.
23:34:05 [sbp]
You don't need to hack logger too much
23:37:19 [SeanP]
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23:37:29 [AaronSw]
Hi there.
23:37:40 [sbp]
Hi
23:37:57 [sbp]
Didn't we already meet, about 20 minutes ago? :-)
23:38:00 [AaronSw]
SeanP seems like a quiet fellow, doesn't he.
23:38:07 [AaronSw]
I was talking to SeanP, not you, sbp.
23:38:08 [AaronSw]
Sheesh.
23:38:17 [SeanP]
This is slow to load...
23:38:48 [SeanP]
Type something, sit back, get a cup of coffee, fill in a crossword puzzle...
23:39:04 [sbp]
Yeah, heh. Tell me about it
23:39:04 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
23:39:48 [SeanP]
Plus, I don't know what anyone is saying! Well, except for the fact that I have my other dude-repr. in the channel
23:40:06 [sbp]
[sound of the "other dude-repr." waving]
23:40:07 [AaronSw]
Perhaps you should try some of the other looks.
23:40:14 [AaronSw]
err formats
23:40:24 [AaronSw]
Not all of them work with all browsers.
23:41:07 [sbp]
fine
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23:41:45 [AaronSw]
screwball, this is not some sorta hacker d00d site!
23:41:47 [AaronSw]
:-)
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23:42:12 [sbp]
It became one when you put DeCSS code in the topic
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23:42:31 [sbp]
* sbp tries to recall why he got the name screwball...
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23:42:59 [sbp]
ugh, didn't mean to rejoin... damn thing
23:43:00 [Morbus]
i'm giddy.
23:43:20 [AaronSw]
Ok, I've set up http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/latest
23:43:34 [sbp]
Perhaps it was Marge: "I'll show them what one screwball can do!"
23:43:44 [sbp]
or it might have been Homer: "Bald as a cue-ball"
23:43:59 [sbp]
yeah, I probably twisted the latter
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23:44:35 [sbp]
Giddy? You ought to go and lie down
23:44:46 [sbp]
thanks
23:44:57 [AaronSw]
for what?
23:45:18 [SeanP]
Yo, how's it hangin', dudes, dudettes, and dudeoids?
23:45:21 [sbp]
for the redirect
23:45:25 [AaronSw]
ah, sure
23:45:40 [SeanP]
This screwy thing still isn't working properly
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23:46:15 [notScrewball]
Hi everyone!
23:46:23 [sbp]
Hi Aaron
23:46:47 [notScrewball]
I'm not Aaron!
23:46:49 [piroig]
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23:47:20 [piroig]
Neither am I
23:47:22 [AaronSw]
I'm Aaron.
23:47:26 [AaronSw]
Sheesh.
23:48:03 [piroig]
But you don't hear me complainin'
23:48:05 [sbp]
BTW, the converse of "screwball" should have been "screwball`"
23:48:17 [notScrewball]
brb
23:48:22 [notScrewball]
brb
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23:49:46 [AaronSw]
%Btext in bold%B
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23:50:17 [Morbus]
brb
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23:50:36 [sbp]
I'll quit you
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23:51:33 [sbp]
Nope, this simply doesn't work
23:51:39 [sbp]
dudeMan? Oh, Aaron...
23:51:46 [dudeMan3000]
Hi.
23:51:55 [sbp]
.nickometer dudeMan3000
23:51:55 [xena]
dudeMan3000 has 54% lameness
23:52:19 [sbp]
you could have at least mashed the keyboard such as I
23:52:27 [sbp]
.nickometer u9030q3rq
23:52:27 [xena]
u9030q3rq has 55% lameness
23:52:37 [sbp]
oh, no way! It's random!
23:52:39 [dudeMan3000]
That meter is messed.
23:52:48 [sbp]
no kidding
23:52:48 [AaronSw]
.nickometer dudeMan3000
23:52:49 [xena]
dudeMan3000 has 54% lameness
23:52:51 [AaronSw]
.nickometer dudeMan3000
23:52:52 [xena]
dudeMan3000 has 54% lameness
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23:53:16 [AaronSw]
Odd, I'm pretty sure this worked before, but it sure isn't now.
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23:56:28 [sbp]
I need a duck
23:56:50 [sbp]
More than that, I need a T-Shirt which broadcast's the fact that "I need a duck"
23:57:09 [sbp]
And then I need to offend people who misread things by asking them to read my T-Shirt
23:57:35 [sbp]
But really, I just need a duck. Ducks are cool things
23:57:47 [sbp]
But then you end up having to get accessories, like food, and a pond
23:58:12 [sbp]
I'd call it "Quacky"
23:58:47 [sbp]
Although I wouldn't dare to insult Quacky, it would be funny hypothetically speaking to use him as a chat-up line
23:58:54 [sbp]
"Hey luv, wanna see my duck?"
23:59:13 [sbp]
Of course, I wouldn't usually call people "luv", but this is hypothetical, don't forget
23:59:20 [AaronSw]
You Brits and your accents.
23:59:31 [sbp]
Well, we luv it
23:59:48 [sbp]
s/broadcast's/broadcasts/
23:59:56 [AaronSw]
luv is a Morbus trademark!