IRC log of swhack on 2001-12-05

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00:00:01 [TheTick]

Yeah, great.

00:00:07 [TheTick]

I'll condemn him!

00:00:11 [TheTick]

* TheTick condemns all military

00:00:15 [Morbus]

you're assuming an underlying thread of "study war cos i want to kill people".

00:00:27 [AaronSw]

Well, yes. I'm learning from history. Do you want to try it?

00:00:39 [Morbus]

try what?

00:00:45 [AaronSw]

Learning from history.

00:00:55 [Morbus]

oh sure, gimme an example, oh master.

00:01:02 [sbp]

It's funny how the millitary stays the same yet the PR "fight to conquer" moved to "fight for peace"

00:01:03 [AaronSw]

Star Wars.

00:01:14 [AaronSw]

heh, exactly, sbp

00:01:26 [TheTick]

Yeah

00:01:30 [TheTick]

WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR PEACE

00:01:31 [Morbus]

you maen how gene roddenberry possessed lucas's body to create the piece of crap that Ep1 was, so that star trek would reign supreme?

00:01:34 [TheTick]

peace is war

00:01:35 [TheTick]

love is hate

00:01:37 [AaronSw]

lo

00:01:38 [AaronSw]

lol

00:01:44 [AaronSw]

Morbus, no the Missle Defense thingy.

00:01:49 [sbp]

* sbp plays Robert Johnson's "Love In Vain"

00:02:06 [Morbus]

!itunes

00:02:16 [AaronSw]

!itunes

00:02:17 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Station Identification' on EBN's album 'Telecommunication Breakdown'.

00:02:33 [Morbus]

a fitting album title, if i must say so.

00:02:41 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:03:26 [Morbus]

AaronSw, respectfully, i'm not a history buff, or even a current event buff, for that matter. so i can't argue with you on level ground.

00:03:39 [AaronSw]

i'm neither too

00:03:53 [AaronSw]

i don't even read or watch the news

00:03:55 [TheTick]

heh

00:03:55 [Morbus]

i think you do have to fight for peace, yet.

00:04:15 [Morbus]

i think you can't know what peace is without having the opposite to compare it against. you can replace peace with any diametic opposite that exists.

00:04:21 [TheTick]

I think stating you are declaring 'War on Terrorism' is idiotic.

00:04:41 [TheTick]

But it's exactly what the gov't wants since it does not involve diplomacy at all.

00:04:41 [AaronSw]

Morbus, do we have to know everything?

00:04:44 [sbp]

"Terrorize the Terrorists!"

00:04:54 [Morbus]

to know what we're missing? yes.

00:05:12 [Morbus]

you can't argue that man has a necessary need to explore.

00:05:20 [AaronSw]

I'm not saying that.

00:05:45 [AaronSw]

I'm just saying that there are somethings better left undone.

00:06:03 [AaronSw]

War is something that involves a lot of people, without all of their consent

00:06:10 [AaronSw]

And it's rarely exploration.

00:06:34 [sbp]

Exploration used to lead to war... but there's no such thing any more

00:06:35 [Morbus]

and I agree. but things will be done, and I'd rather things happen out in the open. no secrecy. i'd rather some Mass. company say we cloned people, then some SatanSpawn to start producing boy bands by the dozen.

00:06:54 [sbp]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

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00:07:08 [AaronSw]

when did we start talking about cloning?

00:07:12 [TheTick]

umm

00:07:12 [TheTick]

yeah

00:07:15 [sbp]

just now

00:07:16 [Morbus]

exploration.

00:07:23 [TheTick]

and since when is anything militarily out in the open

00:07:25 [AaronSw]

ok, well, i think i'm done

00:07:25 [sbp]

logster, where am I?

00:07:28 [sbp]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T00-07-25-1

00:07:32 [sbp]

there you go

00:07:35 [Morbus]

i don't think of things as just singular items, like war. i think of them collectively as part of a grander picture.

00:07:36 [TheTick]

Bush is pushing for absolute secrecy on past presidential documents.

00:07:43 [TheTick]

So historians don't get to see what really happened.

00:07:51 [AaronSw]

He already ordered it.

00:07:58 [sbp]

yeah, well duh

00:08:01 [AaronSw]

It's done, unless congress or the courts overrule it.

00:08:08 [TheTick]

Well yeah, I know.

00:08:20 [sbp]

If you find out what kind of underhand tricks the government used in the past, it's a libaility for the current government

00:08:28 [TheTick]

And there's really nothing congress can do about an executive order.

00:08:46 [TheTick]

They gave the president that power and only he can give it back.

00:09:04 [Morbus]

think of war as a patented invention. no one currently knows what magical gyro motion of ... oh nevermind. sigh.

00:09:17 [TheTick]

sbp: Yeah, right.

00:09:38 [AaronSw]

Congress can overrule an executive order.

00:09:43 [AaronSw]

That's what checks and balances are for.

00:09:46 [TheTick]

AaronSw: Ummmm

00:09:49 [AaronSw]

And the courts can overturn it.

00:09:53 [TheTick]

I'd love to see that bit of legislation actually

00:09:54 [sbp]

* sbp listens to The Rolling Stones, "Satisfaction"

00:09:57 [TheTick]

pointer?

00:10:10 [AaronSw]

TheTick, all they have to do is pass a law saying the order is rescinded

00:10:23 [TheTick]

AaronSw: Has this ever been done?

00:10:24 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Climate Control' on AK1200's album 'Fully Automatic'.

00:10:24 [Morbus]

!itunes

00:10:26 [sbp]

I'd be surprised if there is anything that the president can just steamroller over everyone else

00:10:33 [AaronSw]

TheTick, I'm pretty sure...

00:10:39 [AaronSw]

.google congress overturn executive order

00:10:40 [xena]

congress overturn executive order: http://www.citizen.org

00:10:51 [TheTick]

.google executive order rescinded

00:10:52 [xena]

executive order rescinded: http://www.state.va.us/governor/eorder/eorder68.htm

00:11:05 [sbp]

http://www.citizen.org/hot_issues/issue.cfm?ID=168

00:11:21 [sbp]

'tis what we were just talking about

00:11:34 [AaronSw]

Yeah.

00:11:45 [AaronSw]

I know of a lot of cases where the courts overturn an order

00:11:59 [TheTick]

Ah good.

00:12:07 [TheTick]

Okay, just checking. I hadn't heard of it ever actually being done.

00:12:17 [AaronSw]

Aha, here: http://www.nga.org/nga/lobbyIssues/1,1169,D_1189,00.html

00:12:21 [TheTick]

* TheTick hugs Public Citizen

00:12:23 [AaronSw]

The Congressional Review Act of 1996.

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00:15:24 [TheTick]

What song, Morbus?

00:15:26 [Morbus]

* Morbus gives AaronSw a Scooby Snack (tm)

00:15:31 [sbp]

lol

00:16:02 [TheTick]

Ohh.. I don't have that one.

00:16:02 [TheTick]

:/

00:16:10 [Morbus]

poo.

00:16:18 [TheTick]

what's the deal with # crap ?

00:16:38 [TheTick]

Oh, that's amusing.

00:16:56 [TheTick]

I figure anybody can be logging me at any time on here as it is, so I'm not worried about it

00:16:56 [sbp]

Man, that guy from AC/DC can't sing. Angus Young is a cool guitarist, though

00:16:56 [TheTick]

hehe

00:17:15 [Morbus]

yeah, hell, i don't even log you.

00:17:17 [sbp]

it's a weird experience listening to AC/DC; wonderful and painful

00:17:20 [AaronSw]

TheTick, sure, but do they put them on the log?

00:17:28 [Morbus]

i just plain old publish logs of you acting like a jerk just to spite you.

00:17:38 [Morbus]

you don't even say this shit. it's fun though.

00:17:50 [Morbus]

people are like "man, that Tick is a dork". and i'm like "I KnoooOow!!".

00:18:08 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Yakko's World' on Animaniacs's album 'Animaniacs' Wacky Universe, The'.

00:18:08 [Morbus]

!itunes

00:19:03 [Morbus]

AaronSw, you writing anything for EtCon?

00:19:10 [AaronSw]

writing?

00:19:16 [AaronSw]

I proposed a talk.

00:19:25 [Morbus]

preparing, rather. i assume you prepare.

00:19:41 [AaronSw]

Actually, I was thinking more of like just making it up on the spot.

00:19:45 [Morbus]

otherwise, you'll come out with a Jam story like me and sbp told.

00:19:49 [AaronSw]

I figured I'd fit in better that way.

00:19:50 [sbp]

lol

00:19:54 [Morbus]

oh. cool. hey, can you fit me in there somehow

00:20:00 [Morbus]

i wanna be a goblin.

00:20:04 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

00:20:16 [Morbus]

do you guys play any games?

00:22:26 [Morbus]

ok. i should get some emails done.

00:22:41 [AaronSw]

Did you ever finish the article?

00:23:04 [Morbus]

welp, yes, and no. the first draft is done, except for the conclusion. the conclusion will be written after i read through it again to make it a final draft.

00:23:18 [Morbus]

so, ultimately, if I do good on my email, i hope to finish it tonight.

00:23:25 [TheTick]

AaronSw: On occasion they do end up somewhere public

00:23:37 [AaronSw]

on occasion

00:23:39 [TheTick]

But of course my whole attitude about IRC is that nothing I say here is confidential

00:23:43 [AaronSw]

this stuff is live baby!

00:23:47 [AaronSw]

logster, bookmark

00:23:47 [AaronSw]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T00-23-47

00:23:50 [AaronSw]

see

00:23:52 [Morbus]

nothing you say anywhere on th enet is confidential.

00:23:58 [TheTick]

indeed, Morbus.

00:24:05 [TheTick]

So I just don't worry about it.

00:24:10 [AaronSw]

yeah, me neither

00:24:12 [Morbus]

someone could be keylogging me right now! <G>

00:24:18 [Morbus]

or staring at my desktop using snapperhead.

00:24:18 [TheTick]

CRAP

00:24:20 [TheTick]

hehe

00:24:22 [TheTick]

snapperhead?

00:24:24 [AaronSw]

Morbus, you're on the FBI terrorist list, you know.

00:24:30 [Morbus]

or, looking at my cam and mapping the movement of my fingers.

00:24:31 [AaronSw]

So they probably are logging you

00:24:46 [Morbus]

i am? goddamit, i thought i paid off the rig... uh. i thought i made them cookies. yeah. cookies.

00:25:01 [Morbus]

stupid magical lantern.

00:25:07 [AaronSw]

The police are outside with their TEMPEST-mobile. blast them!

00:25:20 [Morbus]

heh. you said tempest. kickass.

00:25:21 [sbp]

* sbp worries about it all the time...

00:25:33 [Morbus]

and echelon too! don't forget echelon!

00:25:49 [AaronSw]

oierw really worries about this stuff

00:25:50 [TheTick]

BOMB TERRORIST NUKE WHITE HOUSE Echelon? What's that?

00:25:50 [Morbus]

i've serioulsy wondered, sometimes, if some russian fuck isn't watching me masturbate and drinking vodka and chuckling.

00:25:54 [sbp]

Pff, you guys are sell-outs. Like no-one knows about echelon

00:26:04 [sbp]

Morbus: lol!

00:26:15 [sbp]

Some Russian woman?

00:26:36 [Morbus]

no, one of those big guys that do the little kick out pansy dance. with their arms crossed.

00:26:44 [sbp]

I can imagine a Russian women's club, where they go in everyday and bow to the big screen of Morbus conducting his private life

00:26:58 [TheTick]

lol

00:27:02 [Morbus]

i bet they do. someone else ripped off another of my ideas recently.

00:27:12 [sbp]

marshmallow cereal?

00:27:14 [AaronSw]

someone russian?

00:27:15 [Morbus]

you know epinions? that was an idea i had years and years ago. i still have the original draft for the website.

00:27:32 [AaronSw]

Oh, well that makes sense.

00:27:35 [Morbus]

but no, recently, i found a site that asks question after endless question, and caters the site and images to what you see.

00:27:38 [AaronSw]

Why do you think they did Cyc?

00:27:46 [AaronSw]

so they could read people's minds

00:27:49 [Morbus]

it was just like an idea i had written down about just that.

00:28:09 [Morbus]

my epinions idea was called "everyview".

00:28:18 [Morbus]

then they ripped me off about two years after i made the first draft.

00:29:45 [Morbus]

hhat'd you think of that marshmallow cereal thing, sbp?

00:29:59 [sbp]

I laughed pretty hard

00:30:05 [Morbus]

cool :)

00:30:18 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Down In It (Shred)' on Nine Inch Nails's album 'Down In It'.

00:30:18 [Morbus]

!itunes

00:30:31 [sbp]

Of course, now I just want to put your words into practic, which is *not* a good trend for the world

00:30:39 [sbp]

er... practice

00:30:46 [Morbus]

heh, you want to put my words to practce? you want to make that cereal?

00:30:52 [Morbus]

and it is a good idea for the world, dammit!

00:30:55 [sbp]

Homer: Damn straight

00:31:04 [Morbus]

i wanna be special! being in playboy twice is not good enough

00:31:15 [sbp]

I want people to piss themselves when they open up their little bag of cereal

00:31:19 [Morbus]

hehehehehe

00:31:28 [Morbus]

yeah, man. it'd be so cool :)

00:31:31 [sbp]

:-)

00:31:41 [AaronSw]

can someone fill me in on this?

00:31:49 [Morbus]

lemme send you the chat log.

00:31:52 [Morbus]

too big to paste here.

00:32:03 [AaronSw]

k

00:32:26 [sbp]

Morb, mind if I paste little selected bits in here?

00:32:30 [Morbus]

sent to a@blo

00:32:35 [Morbus]

sure, go ahead.

00:32:50 [AaronSw]

Heh, first there was j.lo, now it's a@blo

00:32:58 [Morbus]

heh.

00:33:25 [sbp]

"you americans are weird"

00:33:49 [sbp]

aha:-

00:33:50 [sbp]

[[[

00:33:51 [sbp]

>[17:54] <Morbus> see. actually, i wanted to make an all marshmallow cereal.

00:33:51 [sbp]

>

00:33:51 [sbp]

>[17:55] <Morbus> but get this, mycereal.com said my cereal wasn't healthy

00:33:51 [sbp]

>enough and i had to pick some other shit. laughed my ass off.

00:33:52 [sbp]

]]]

00:33:59 [AaronSw]

Heh heh: >[17:51] <Mishka> you americans are weird

00:34:11 [sbp]

I was almost on the floor by the time I read that bit

00:34:12 [TheTick]

lol

00:34:15 [AaronSw]

i got the secret mycereal.com code too

00:34:17 [Morbus]

heheh

00:34:26 [Morbus]

oh yeah? did you ever use it?

00:34:26 [TheTick]

secret myceral.com code???

00:34:35 [TheTick]

mycereal.com code that is

00:34:46 [sbp]

[[[

00:34:46 [sbp]

>[17:56] <mnickel> rotflmao!!!!

00:34:46 [sbp]

>[17:56] <Morbus> heheheh

00:34:46 [sbp]

>

00:34:46 [sbp]

>[17:56] <djc> i am laughing my ass off here

00:34:46 [sbp]

>[17:56] <Mishka> oh my .....

00:34:48 [sbp]

>[17:56] <mnickel> dude, you are fricken' hilarious!!

00:34:50 [Morbus]

yeah, they were runnign "beta" tests a while ago and sent out special codes to get into the site.

00:34:50 [sbp]

]]]

00:35:01 [Morbus]

the site seems to be totally closed down now.

00:35:09 [TheTick]

doh

00:35:18 [AaronSw]

lol

00:35:25 [AaronSw]

no, i never did use it, i think

00:35:41 [AaronSw]

i just playead around, but never ordered anuthing

00:35:50 [TheTick]

damn you moviefone.com

00:35:51 [sbp]

I can just imagine Morbus typing in some recipe, and the site going, "fuck you, that'd kill people! What are you trying to do, you sad little fucker?"

00:35:52 [TheTick]

!!!

00:35:55 [AaronSw]

"We are currently refining our website to better meet the needs of our valuable customers. We will be open again soon! "

00:35:57 [Morbus]

LOL

00:36:02 [AaronSw]

rofl

00:36:15 [TheTick]

heh

00:36:19 [Morbus]

* Morbus chuckles uncontrollably

00:36:28 [sbp]

:-)

00:37:17 [AaronSw]

this is funnier than pro segway 2

00:37:22 [sbp]

* sbp signs up for notification

00:37:23 [TheTick]

lol

00:37:26 [Morbus]

!! i'm honored ;)

00:37:28 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:37:45 [AaronSw]

Morbus, not you. your stuff wasn't funny

00:37:48 [AaronSw]

i'm taking about sbp!

00:37:49 [AaronSw]

:-)

00:37:56 [Morbus]

oh. oh. i see. fine. sniff.

00:38:03 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

00:38:04 [Morbus]

snifFFff.

00:38:16 [sbp]

* sbp can barely type, is shaking from giggling

00:38:18 [AaronSw]

i mean really, who wants to hear about your stupid digestive noises.

00:38:22 [AaronSw]

oops, did i get the wrong chatlog...

00:38:30 [AaronSw]

whoa, russian people...

00:38:34 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw skips that part

00:38:55 [Morbus]

i have done no email since i said i was going to do email. sigh.

00:39:41 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw notes there is no curl XML-RPC implementation.

00:40:43 [AaronSw]

lol: http://doc.weblogs.com/2001/12/02#buyAppleStock

00:40:46 [sbp]

* sbp plays "Get Up Stand Up", Bob Marley

00:40:52 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Millionaire' on Billy Childish's album 'The Original Chatham Jack'.

00:40:52 [Morbus]

!itunes

00:41:02 [TheTick]

I thought doc stopped blogging

00:42:02 [AaronSw]

no, i think he's just blogging less

00:42:42 [TheTick]

ahh

00:42:57 [TheTick]

I don't read that many blogs anymore.

00:43:17 [Morbus]

i read about 60 through a browser, and then 108 various sites in Ampheta.

00:43:20 [TheTick]

Although I really like McCusker's, since many times he's actually *writing*

00:43:29 [TheTick]

rather than posting random sentences and photos and etc

00:43:45 [AaronSw]

yeah, mccusker is good

00:44:22 [Morbus]

anyone know much about knowledge management?

00:44:31 [TheTick]

K LOGS BABY

00:44:32 [TheTick]

YEAH!!!

00:44:37 [TheTick]

/nick JROBB

00:44:37 [AaronSw]

lol

00:44:41 [Morbus]

uh oh.

00:44:50 [Morbus]

um. what happened? <G>

00:44:52 [TheTick]

KLOGS WILL MAEK YUOR CMOPANY ROX9OR AHAHAHA ROFFLE!!!1

00:44:55 [TheTick]

hehe

00:44:56 [TheTick]

;-)

00:45:01 [AaronSw]

he heh heh

00:45:02 [Morbus]

heheheh.

00:45:09 [Morbus]

ok. anyone know about personal km? <g>

00:45:28 [TheTick]

Actually when i was coding I'd just make notes on bugs in our bugzilla db

00:45:30 [TheTick]

and then search that

00:45:34 [AaronSw]

Morbus, yeah, a bit

00:45:46 [TheTick]

I haven't been writing a ton of code lately so it's been sparse

00:45:50 [TheTick]

anyway i'm going to the movies.. ttyl

00:46:01 [Morbus]

i know nothing about it, personally. i know the basic explanation of the two word name, but not anything in depth.

00:47:30 [AaronSw]

there's not a whole lot of depth to it...

00:47:37 [AaronSw]

why are you interested?

00:47:56 [Morbus]

what's the "make tar.gz" command line again? recursive?

00:48:04 [Morbus]

i always screw up working with tar.

00:48:09 [Morbus]

or creating with tar, rather.

00:48:17 [AaronSw]

tar acz or somehting

00:48:34 [AaronSw]

tar -cz dir/

00:48:50 [Morbus]

ack! sent to my terminal.

00:48:52 [Morbus]

heh.

00:48:58 [AaronSw]

silly morbus!

00:49:02 [sbp]

I created a sh file, 'cause I could never remember

00:49:04 [Morbus]

well, that was satanic.

00:50:07 [sbp]

well, that's *nix for you

00:50:14 [Morbus]

dammit.

00:50:21 [Morbus]

oh, hey, stuffit has DropTar. that works.

00:50:31 [AaronSw]

lazy bum

00:50:35 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:50:35 [AaronSw]

tar -cz dir/ > filename

00:51:06 [Morbus]

yeah, i did that. and it still spit to screen

00:51:26 [AaronSw]

umm, ok...

00:51:39 [Morbus]

yeah, that's what i said.

00:51:41 [Morbus]

lemme try again.

00:51:46 [AaronSw]

liar

00:51:54 [TheTick]

tar -zcvf blah.tgz directory

00:51:57 [AaronSw]

did you do like > /dev/pts/0 ;-)

00:51:58 [TheTick]

you goof

00:51:59 [TheTick]

s

00:52:03 [Morbus]

oh well, now it worked that time.

00:52:06 [Morbus]

i hate you all.

00:52:08 [TheTick]

cp simpsons.txt /dev/null

00:52:13 [AaronSw]

lol

00:52:22 [AaronSw]

that really hosed my machine once

00:52:25 [TheTick]

copying something to /dev/null is great

00:52:26 [TheTick]

ahaha

00:52:41 [AaronSw]

well, not my machine

00:52:50 [TheTick]

a friend was arguing with me about and i told him i'd bet him 20 bucks that copying a file to /dev/null would break it

00:52:50 [TheTick]

oh man

00:52:51 [TheTick]

haha

00:52:57 [AaronSw]

it was somebody's server and they were like, just > to /dev/null.

00:53:00 [TheTick]

he copied simpsons.txt over /dev/null

00:53:02 [AaronSw]

and i was like, that's not righ dude

00:53:09 [AaronSw]

and he was, sure it is, go on

00:53:32 [AaronSw]

his machine was so hosed

00:54:01 [Morbus]

hopefully, i wont' get disconnected.

00:54:03 [sbp]

* sbp tries it

00:54:10 [Morbus]

with my usb modem, if i upload a lot (or send, really) of data, i get disconnected.

00:54:17 [AaronSw]

Hmm

00:54:19 [Morbus]

on my serial modem, it doesn't happen. very weird.

00:54:24 [AaronSw]

Morbus sure has a weird set of wishlist items. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/25USVJDH68554/102-6222478-8304915

00:54:31 [sbp]

"missing destination file", kick-ass

00:54:45 [Morbus]

thats why half the time i open up the webserver for everyone, i get disconnected.

00:54:54 [Morbus]

why? it's not so weird.

00:55:03 [Morbus]

i have to admit, amazon has a wonderful recommendation system.

00:55:08 [AaronSw]

yeah it does

00:55:11 [AaronSw]

it has a lot of data, tho

00:55:14 [Morbus]

i'm very impressed by it.

00:55:14 [Morbus]

seriously.

00:55:23 [AaronSw]

the recommendations for ginger are hilarious, tho

00:55:32 [Morbus]

to make the rec's, yeah.

00:55:41 [Morbus]

heheheh.. yah :)

00:55:53 [AaronSw]

Morbus!

00:55:58 [Morbus]

cdnow has a so so system - it explores more "crap i've never heard of" than amazon does.

00:56:07 [Morbus]

most of amazon's rec's are "yeah, right on!".

00:56:16 [Morbus]

what!

00:56:16 [Morbus]

am i talking too much?

00:56:26 [AaronSw]

no, you must have put those recommendations there

00:56:32 [AaronSw]

now it all makes sense

00:56:35 [Morbus]

mmkay. i'll hush up. cos i've been scolded.

00:56:43 [AaronSw]

i didn't scold you, silly

00:56:53 [Morbus]

uh.

00:56:56 [AaronSw]

you've got a vivid imagination

00:57:20 [Morbus]

i do, indeed :)

00:57:21 [AaronSw]

ok, gotta run --- dinner

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00:57:38 [Morbus]

ever read my morgue rats?

00:57:38 [Morbus]

.google morbus morgue rats

00:57:40 [xena]

morbus morgue rats: http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/morgue_rats.shtml

00:58:04 [Morbus]

.google morbus when things die

00:58:05 [xena]

morbus when things die: http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/when_things_die.shtml

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01:03:01 [sbp]

"Morbus is a prolific writer who enjoys many things... [...] This makes him depressed." - http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/

01:03:12 [sbp]

it's great taking things out of context

01:04:57 [sbp]

http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/woe_betides_her.shtml

01:05:13 [sbp]

Laika was the name of the first dog (first animal, in fact) in space. AFAIK

01:05:24 [sbp]

.google Laika first animal in space

01:05:25 [xena]

Laika first animal in space: http://www.space.com/news/laika_anniversary_991103.html

01:10:14 [sbp]

Poor little Laika

01:12:52 [Morbus]

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01:13:30 [Morbus]

hah! i knew i'd get disconnected

01:13:55 [sbp]

:-)

01:14:04 [sbp]

check the logs

01:14:12 [Morbus]

logster, where am i

01:14:12 [Morbus]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'where am i', Morbus. Try /msg logster help

01:14:14 [Morbus]

logster, where am i?

01:14:14 [Morbus]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T01-14-14

01:16:05 [sbp]

Grpgprmgprmgprmgh, where is Aaron?

01:17:21 [Morbus]

yes, laika was :)

01:17:43 [Morbus]

i shall now attempt to answer another email! whoo!

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01:20:33 [sbp]

another email? Brave person

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01:22:34 [sbp]

one returns, one leaves...

01:27:53 [AaronSw]

i am here

01:28:25 [sbp]

ah, hi there

01:28:48 [AaronSw]

# yeah, sure

01:35:41 [AaronSw]

Ugh, the TAG site is spouting FUD:

01:35:49 [AaronSw]

"One sense of URN is that if you give a URN to some software, you should get essentially the same behavior, regardless of who you are, where you are, or when you do this. In that sense, tags are probably not URNs. Given a tag for a can of beans, it would be completely appropriate for a handheld device to tell you the price of the can when you're standing in a store and some cooking instructions when you're standing in a kitchen." - http://www.taguri.org/

01:36:04 [Morbus]

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01:37:46 [sbp]

yeah, that is a bit weird. We discussed that quite a lot

01:37:49 [sbp]

those behaviours are very appropriate

01:38:04 [AaronSw]

Yeah, and they go on with some more FUD about "changing"...

01:38:10 [AaronSw]

Disappointing.

01:38:16 [AaronSw]

I will email them about it.

01:39:26 [sbp]

Cool

01:39:44 [Morbus]

AaronSw, do you know if anything has been done with weblogs.com rss?

01:40:08 [AaronSw]

weblogs.com RSS export or their 'rss community"?

01:40:49 [Morbus]

i think the rss community.

01:41:15 [AaronSw]

I was thinking of signing swhack weblog up to it, but getting xml-rpc working was too much trouble.

01:41:23 [AaronSw]

i think i'll wait for a REST inteface

01:43:15 [AaronSw]

i haven't seen any updates for the rss ever.

01:47:03 [Morbus]

37 emails to go!

01:53:40 [AaronSw]

!itunes

01:53:48 [sbp]

here we go:-

01:53:50 [sbp]

* Virgin URIs can potentially identify anything. Once the authority delgated control of that URI decides what it identifies, then the binding is set; there is a 1-1 correspondance

01:53:50 [sbp]

* HTTP URIs can identify anything. What the URI identifies is, as normal, up to the "owner" of that URI

01:53:50 [sbp]

* Since the owner of a URI has complete control over what gets published there (in theory), they also have complete control over the representations that get sent back to a client after it does an HTTP GET

01:53:52 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Zenith' on Tipsy's album 'Trip Tease'.

01:53:57 [sbp]

* The question of what URI references identify is, according to the URI RFC, delegated onto the specification of the MIME type of the representation of a resource gained by dereferencing the racine URI

01:53:57 [sbp]

* Since this should be defined absolutely by the MIME specification, there can be no ambiguity

01:54:00 [sbp]

* Content negotiation should make sure that the bindings of fragment IDs to their resources are consistent across variations, in the same way that documents obtained under language negotiation should be consistent

01:54:00 [sbp]

* Therefore, any URI or URI reference can be used to identify any concept or thing with identity, as long as it is not already being used

01:54:11 [AaronSw]

source?

01:54:23 [sbp]

me, just now

01:55:36 [AaronSw]

Umm, "the bindings of fragment IDs to their resources"

01:55:44 [sbp]

my resolution to rdfms-fragment

01:55:45 [AaronSw]

when did fragment IDs bind to resources?

01:56:04 [sbp]

er... rdfms-fragments

01:56:42 [AaronSw]

when did fragment IDs bind to resources? that seems like a leap in your reasoning, to me.

01:57:25 [sbp]

so is "HTTP URIs can identify anything"... what do you want?

01:57:45 [sbp]

they all seem like self-evident facts to me

01:57:57 [AaronSw]

Umm...

01:58:13 [AaronSw]

The fragments we're talking about here are the ones defned in teh RFC, right?

01:58:41 [AaronSw]

And the resources too?

01:58:53 [sbp]

since the MIME type specifications get to decide what they denote, and since the choice of what they can denote is limitless, there appears to be a great aprallel there to URIs

01:59:11 [AaronSw]

Answer my question, please.

01:59:21 [sbp]

what do you mean by "defined"?

01:59:35 [AaronSw]

Well, i mean, i can make anything up and call it a fragment.

01:59:55 [AaronSw]

But the URI RFC has a specific thing called a Fragment.

02:00:04 [AaronSw]

Are we talking about sbpFragments or rfcFragments?

02:01:17 [AaronSw]

Just trying to establish some context here.

02:01:23 [Morbus]

deus_x, i'll be commiting your relative URL recommendation for AmphetaDesk within a few days. just finished testign it myself.

02:01:35 [AaronSw]

Morbus, relative URLs?

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02:01:59 [AaronSw]

wb

02:02:20 [sbp]

[[[

02:02:22 [sbp]

]]]

02:02:24 [sbp]

ty :-)

02:02:26 [sbp]

[[[

02:02:28 [sbp]

<AaronSw> Answer my question, please.

02:02:30 [sbp]

<sbp> I don't understand your question. I can't answer a question that I do not understand

02:02:32 [sbp]

]]]

02:02:36 [sbp]

heh:-

02:02:38 [sbp]

[[[

02:02:40 [sbp]

I still wonder about WTF a URN is aside

02:02:42 [sbp]

from a part of the URI namespace that's less well controlled, but I

02:02:45 [sbp]

guess I don't care.

02:02:45 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Well, i mean, i can make anything up and call it a fragment.

02:02:45 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> But the URI RFC has a specific thing called a Fragment.

02:02:46 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Are we talking about sbpFragments or rfcFragments?

02:02:46 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Just trying to establish some context here.

02:02:47 [sbp]

]]] - Sandro

02:02:48 [Morbus]

i fully declared all my urls in Amphetadesk, so that people couldn't easily use it with a normal IP (they'd always be pointed to the local machine).

02:03:11 [AaronSw]

Bad!

02:03:31 [AaronSw]

Yeah, that broke it on my machine for a while.

02:03:35 [sbp]

of course: the fragment production from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt

02:03:44 [AaronSw]

Ok, good.

02:04:09 [AaronSw]

So those Fragments as defined do not have a Binding to Resources.

02:04:17 [sbp]

who says?

02:04:32 [AaronSw]

The RFC defines Resources and Bindings, and it doesn't define this one.

02:04:38 [sbp]

that's utter twaddle. They must have a binding to something

02:04:40 [AaronSw]

I suppose it could in the future, but until then...

02:04:49 [AaronSw]

sbp, why must they?

02:04:56 [sbp]

the RFC is quiet on the issue, it delegates responsibility to the MIME type specifications

02:05:13 [sbp]

well, otherwise, what's the utility? if you don't know what they do, what are they for?

02:05:37 [sbp]

you know what they are for by consulting the MIME type specifications. That's not necessarily good, but it's the way that it's done

02:05:40 [AaronSw]

They're a hack left in for backwards-compat with HTML.

02:06:00 [AaronSw]

The MIME type specs define their "semantics" but no binding to Resources.

02:06:10 [sbp]

oh what?

02:06:45 [AaronSw]

.dtrt 2396

02:06:47 [xena]

2396: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt

02:07:03 [sbp]

the meaning of any symbol is given by the binding of the identifier to the concept that it identifies

02:07:17 [AaronSw]

Umm, OK.

02:07:33 [sbp]

as for the backwards compat; who cares? URI-refs are very widely used

02:07:51 [AaronSw]

Right.

02:07:53 [AaronSw]

[[[

02:07:55 [AaronSw]

The semantics of a fragment identifier is a property of the data

02:07:55 [AaronSw]

resulting from a retrieval action, regardless of the type of URI used

02:07:56 [AaronSw]

in the reference. Therefore, the format and interpretation of

02:07:56 [AaronSw]

fragment identifiers is dependent on the media type [RFC2046] of the

02:07:56 [AaronSw]

retrieval result.

02:07:57 [AaronSw]

]]]

02:08:00 [AaronSw]

Used in HTML, that is.

02:08:10 [AaronSw]

Did I mention that my email client doesn't support URI-views, only URIs?

02:08:13 [sbp]

yes, I have that bit of text displaying in my browser almost constantly

02:08:17 [AaronSw]

hehehe

02:08:23 [sbp]

:-)

02:08:37 [AaronSw]

Did I mention that my email client doesn't support URI-views, only URIs? I thought that was pretty cool. It agrees with me.

02:08:39 [sbp]

does your mail client support fnurgen: URIs?

02:08:59 [AaronSw]

yep

02:09:11 [sbp]

I mean, I'm not going to base my WWW world views on soem crappy little email client

02:09:22 [sbp]

as good as it may be :-)

02:09:24 [AaronSw]

Heh.

02:09:43 [AaronSw]

Just saying.

02:09:45 [sbp]

my email client is wonderful... it thinks that URIs can contain ">"

02:09:50 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

02:09:58 [sbp]

and "!

02:10:04 [Morbus]

heheh, same with mine.

02:10:15 [Morbus]

i have redirects on disobey.com/> to go to the right place ;)

02:10:21 [sbp]

lol!

02:11:17 [AaronSw]

Anyway, there is no Binding to Resources, so URI-views are meaningless.

02:11:25 [AaronSw]

Well, in the context of Resources.

02:11:55 [sbp]

no, they still have meaning. Semantics are meaning, and the semantics are not controlled by the URI RFC

02:12:07 [AaronSw]

Well, in the context of Resources.

02:12:08 [AaronSw]

I said.

02:12:15 [sbp]

anything with identity is a resource

02:12:29 [AaronSw]

So?

02:12:37 [sbp]

so if it denotes anything (they are symbols after all) then those "things" are resources

02:12:43 [Morbus]

.google iconic communication

02:12:43 [AaronSw]

Ok.

02:12:44 [xena]

iconic communication: http://www.intellectbooks.com/iconic/iconic.htm

02:12:52 [AaronSw]

Still, so what?

02:12:55 [Morbus]

thanks xena

02:13:02 [AaronSw]

They have no meaning inside of the Resources world.

02:13:11 [AaronSw]

They're just symbols like "cheese" and "pidgeon".

02:13:21 [AaronSw]

Should we make them valid URIs too?

02:13:23 [sbp]

food for GL: http://www.intellectbooks.com/iconic/self/self.htm

02:13:33 [sbp]

a URI-ref is not a URI; no one said that

02:14:06 [AaronSw]

Okedoke.

02:14:09 [sbp]

but they do identify things, and they are used on the context of the Web. They have a BNF in the URI RFC, all of the MIME type specifications should say something about them

02:14:19 [deus_x]

Morbus: Oh, hey. Nifty on the relative URLs thing

02:14:38 [sbp]

they are useful, you can't stop people using them, people do use them, the W3C use them. The RDF namespace ends in a "#" for feck's sake!

02:14:55 [AaronSw]

I shouldn't tell people to stop usign the word "cheese" either!

02:14:57 [Morbus]

deus_x, slowly trying to get through my email. you can see how far behind i am ;)

02:15:06 [deus_x]

Been looking into more POE stuff for AmphetaDesk meself, but it appears no one's come up with an HTTP server component for POE yet.

02:15:21 [deus_x]

Was thinking of doing it myself after this week...

02:15:24 [sbp]

but people don't use the word "cheese" to denote things on the Web. URI-views are maintened so that they are compatable with URIs, that they can be used alongside them

02:15:31 [Morbus]

well, i was messing with fork on windows yesterday, and fork seems to be fully implemented.

02:15:36 [AaronSw]

Umm, no they're not. Back up that point.

02:15:37 [deus_x]

If you wanted to consider POE for AmphetaDesk, that is.

02:15:42 [Morbus]

just gotta do some tests on the mac, where i doubt it will work.

02:15:45 [deus_x]

Morbus: Does that work on Mac too?

02:15:46 [deus_x]

Ahh.

02:15:57 [AaronSw]

sbp, want to take this to #rdfig?

02:16:05 [deus_x]

I just grabbed MacPerl and started putzing with it. I'm not even sure how to install modules on MacPerl yet

02:16:07 [Morbus]

if it does, then i won't be using POE.

02:16:07 [sbp]

they're defined in the URI specification, they're used in browsers, the xsd:anyURI datatype actually means any URI-references, etc., etc.

02:16:28 [Morbus]

deus_x, it's a pain in the ass.

02:16:38 [deus_x]

If you can find a solution not using POE, you'd not have as many fans in the POE community, but you might have a working app more people can understand :)

02:16:40 [Morbus]

which one did you get? the beta or the 5.004?

02:16:48 [deus_x]

I got the latest beta

02:17:04 [Morbus]

heh. yeah. i want to use POE, only cos then I get happy links in the POE world.

02:17:16 [Morbus]

ah - download the module, and drag it over the install script within one of the subfolders.

02:17:29 [Morbus]

you can use CPAN if you know how to manually edit a CPAN config file.

02:17:38 [deus_x]

POE is very cool, but in the end it's kinda... well.. a neat academic thing that makes a good workaround for lack of threads.

02:17:58 [deus_x]

Hmm, yeah I tried using CPAN straight off, but I couldn't get past the setup process

02:18:29 [Morbus]

yeah, if you've got a working CPAN config in OS X perl, then you can use that one with a bit of modification.

02:18:29 [Morbus]

that's what i did.

02:18:35 [AaronSw]

logster, bookmark

02:18:35 [AaronSw]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T02-18-35

02:18:38 [deus_x]

Actually, that's what POE would be for AmphetaDesk.. Otherwise, I've got neat plans for the component side of things and a desktop app server

02:18:57 [Morbus]

oh? like what?

02:19:22 [deus_x]

Well... If you have all the right components, it's easy to make the plumbing to hook them together.

02:19:44 [deus_x]

And I believe someone's working on some XML stuff to specify the plumbing. So, code-less assembly of POE components.

02:19:52 [deus_x]

Eventually. Somehow.

02:20:14 [Morbus]

ah. neat.

02:20:53 [deus_x]

And there were a few other lil projects floating around. LIke an IRC multiplexer. That is, the app connects to a server, and you can connect multiple clients to the app, all sitting in on the same nick.

02:21:04 [deus_x]

So, you could have a client at home and work both connected at once to the same nick

02:21:27 [Morbus]

yah, i started playing around with the PoCo IRC thingy.

02:21:32 [deus_x]

That would need plumbing between PoCo::Server::IRC (work in progress) and PoCo::Client::IRC

02:22:33 [deus_x]

So what was it that you used to bundle up an app with MacPerl again?

02:22:56 [Morbus]

RuntimeBuilder.

02:23:02 [Morbus]

.google runtime builder macperl chris nandor

02:23:03 [xena]

runtime builder macperl chris nandor: http://bumppo.net/lists/macperl/1999/05/msg00092.html

02:23:12 [deus_x]

Ah hah. Good ole pudge

02:23:19 [Morbus]

hmm.

02:23:44 [Morbus]

yeah, if you check pudge's site, you'll see it there.

02:24:00 [Morbus]

someone is working on a new one for the new beta, and i've tested it, but it didn't work so well.

02:24:33 [deus_x]

I feel weird now. I have access to Unix, OS X, Mac, and Win32 all at once now. I need to do something with all of them now

02:25:02 [deus_x]

That was too many 'now's

02:26:13 [Morbus]

heh. the power!

02:26:51 [deus_x]

And I'd really like to see POE running on alla dem, especially MacPerl if it can't thread or fork

02:27:39 [Morbus]

yeah, it defininitely doesn't work under 5.004. I haven't tried under 5.6.1b2 yet.

02:27:59 [deus_x]

Oh yeah, and the other thing that MacPerl could really use is BerkeleyDB, since I was thinking about a way to store and sort the RSS headlines you read in.

02:28:36 [Morbus]

right. i was thinking of using Storable and some DBM. Storable has ben proted and is part of the standard MacPerl distro.

02:28:45 [deus_x]

Would be nice to break them out into individual date order like Radio Userland, rather than the last date the URL was read.

02:29:03 [deus_x]

I suppose having some of that in RAM and using some coarse persistence would be okay otherwise.

02:29:04 [Morbus]

that won't be the default, but it will be an option.

02:29:20 [deus_x]

Well, it's an option I like, so that's *my* itch :)

02:29:25 [Morbus]

hehehe :) ...

02:29:33 [Morbus]

i think that's in the todo somewhere

02:30:09 [deus_x]

I was doing some fun stuff with the latest version of BerkeleyDB, since it does quite a bit more than G/S/NDBM. You can actually search in order from a key using ISAM tables.

02:30:22 [deus_x]

Otherwise the DBM files are just on-disk hashes.

02:30:39 [Morbus]

right. we'd probably have to use MLDBMS.

02:30:47 [Morbus]

or else, tons of tiny dbms.

02:30:50 [deus_x]

And even that isn't all on-disk.

02:31:08 [deus_x]

MLDBMS is basically a frozen perl data structure in a record

02:31:26 [deus_x]

I actually wrote a mini-LDAP server on top of BDB in perl. Was nice to play with

02:31:53 [AaronSw]

I hear #amphetadesk is warm and cosy.

02:31:57 [deus_x]

You could store the RSS headlines with metadata all intact and do complex queries on them from your desktop if you were ambitious with BDB

02:32:03 [deus_x]

D'oh

02:32:12 [deus_x]

HINT

02:32:26 [AaronSw]

HINT HINT ;)

02:36:14 [sbp]

meaning Aaron just set it on fire? what?

02:36:15 [Morbus]

heh.

02:36:25 [Morbus]

hey, I said ONLY disobey.com/> not the subdirectories.

02:36:25 [AaronSw]

Heh.

02:36:35 [Morbus]

if you want to test out amphetadesk redirects, try amphetadeks/

02:36:35 [AaronSw]

who're you talking to?

02:36:43 [Morbus]

since I spelled that wrong in an email post once.

02:36:52 [AaronSw]

heh

02:36:55 [Morbus]

the moron who submitted an error message on disobey.com/amphetadesk/

02:36:59 [Morbus]

you know who you are ;)

02:37:04 [AaronSw]

heh heh

02:37:36 [sbp]

oh, how I giggle

02:37:41 [Morbus]

:)

02:38:54 [Morbus]

you know. i hate all of you.

02:39:50 [sbp]

many thanks

02:42:22 [AaronSw]

anytime.

02:42:37 [AaronSw]

Hmm, you@still.sucks.org tells me that there's a 404 at http://disobey.com/amphetadeks

02:42:59 [Morbus]

yeah, try a slash at the end of it.

02:43:04 [Morbus]

i checked my rule and it has a slash.

02:43:09 [AaronSw]

i don't wanna

02:43:17 [Morbus]

well, stiop messing around then ;)

02:46:38 [Morbus]

you know, i think it's about time to block AaronSw from my 404 page <g>

02:47:08 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:47:10 [sbp]

why?

02:48:03 [Morbus]

deltab, wanna read over this article in fine detail?

03:04:04 [sbp]

but you're still here!

03:04:13 [AaronSw]

sure i am

03:04:20 [AaronSw]

i never leave here

03:04:32 [sbp]

lol

03:04:43 [sbp]

[[[

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*** AaronSw has left #rdfig

03:04:43 [sbp]

<sbp> he went!

03:04:43 [sbp]

<sbp> isn't he meant to do "* AaronSw disconnects" or something?

03:04:44 [sbp]

]]]

03:04:56 [AaronSw]

heh

03:05:38 [sbp]

%23 so, I think your proposal is really good, because nothing gets broken. But don't tell anyone that I support it!

03:06:01 [AaronSw]

logster, bookmark

03:06:01 [AaronSw]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-06-01

03:06:04 [AaronSw]

O

03:06:10 [AaronSw]

I will never tell anyone about http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-06-01

03:06:19 [AaronSw]

It'll be my little secret here with http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-06-01

03:06:40 [AaronSw]

email world@globe.org sbp's secret // http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-06-01

03:06:58 [sbp]

lol

03:07:13 [sbp]

it's actually at 03:05:38

03:07:20 [AaronSw]

ah, thanks

03:07:35 [sbp]

<http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-05-38> a :Joke .

03:08:11 [sbp]

ooh!

03:08:21 [AaronSw]

yeah riiight

03:08:26 [sbp]

the above statement can no longer be made. You broke it!

03:08:35 [sbp]

* sbp takes a bow

03:08:35 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

03:08:48 [sbp]

you little bugger! I can't even say that I was joking

03:08:54 [sbp]

oh man, this is a scary new world...

03:09:03 [AaronSw]

Wow, that's even cooler than i expected!

03:09:10 [sbp]

damn, damn, damn!

03:09:34 [sbp]

ah...

03:10:04 [sbp]

[ a :Joke; :resource <http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05>; :fragment "T03-05-38" ] .

03:10:06 [sbp]

phew

03:10:36 [AaronSw]

there we go

03:10:50 [AaronSw]

v. nice

03:11:16 [sbp]

yeah... great

03:11:51 [sbp]

[ a :Sarcasm; :resource <http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05>; :fragment "T03-11-16 " ] .

03:12:25 [sbp]

the problem is, it does break things like that

03:12:48 [sbp]

any bit of page that is referred to in RDF is now broken: you have to create an anon node such as the above

03:12:58 [sbp]

so that's one problem with the suggestion

03:13:17 [AaronSw]

well, i'm not sure what's wrong with that

03:13:20 [AaronSw]

you really mean:

03:13:46 [AaronSw]

[ a :BitofText ; :onceWasAt "http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-11-16" ]

03:14:11 [sbp]

that's pretty sucky

03:14:21 [AaronSw]

but it's what you meant, right?

03:14:29 [sbp]

<http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-05-38> a :Joke . # is just so much easier, cleaner, and backwards-compatabl

03:14:31 [sbp]

e

03:15:18 [AaronSw]

pfft

03:15:31 [sbp]

'tis true!

03:16:20 [AaronSw]

but it's wrong

03:17:05 [sbp]

how can it be wrong? it's perfectly reasonable

03:17:28 [AaronSw]

what does it mean?

03:18:10 [sbp]

the thing denoted by the URI-view "http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-05-38" is a member of the class Joke

03:18:28 [AaronSw]

what's denoted?

03:19:06 [sbp]

try putting http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T03-05-38 into a browser, and find out. Millions of people have the same software; they can find out also

03:19:58 [sbp]

actually, your proposal *has* been very beneficial for me...

03:20:34 [sbp]

it has shown me that I can continue to use URIs with trailing hashes without fear of incompatability int he future, and so all of my namespaces will now end in a hash. Thanks :-)

03:20:44 [AaronSw]

Why is that?

03:21:32 [sbp]

why is what?

03:21:46 [AaronSw]

Why does it show you that?

03:22:36 [sbp]

well, I can use http://example.org/#blargh and it doesn't matter whether your proposal gets through or not; it is still O.K. for me to use that text string in RDF to denote whatever I want it to denote

03:22:47 [sbp]

er... if I owned example.org :-)

03:23:40 [AaronSw]

Well, my proposal is just one proposal.

03:23:40 [AaronSw]

I could decide to redefine it as meaning monkeys or something.

03:23:44 [AaronSw]

But yeah, whatever you do it'll still be meaningless.

03:24:09 [sbp]

but then you'd break all of the RDF out there. Everyone uses "#", and it's safe to go in with the crowd. I am glad that you can't change it

03:24:56 [AaronSw]

Well, yeah, it's meaningless now, it'll be meaningless then.

03:25:03 [AaronSw]

I can't change that, despite your wishes too.

03:25:35 [sbp]

it's perfectly meaningful within the context of an RDF system, and I really don't know why you keep pining to some ambiguity factor that just isn't there

03:26:04 [AaronSw]

Fine, so let's toss out URIs.

03:26:13 [AaronSw]

we'll just stick with random strings.

03:26:24 [AaronSw]

I really don't care anymore. The plex works either way.

03:26:27 [sbp]

well, you know it would work :-)

03:26:31 [sbp]

good point

03:26:46 [AaronSw]

My new namespace is the word "cheese".

03:26:53 [sbp]

namespace for what?

03:27:01 [AaronSw]

an terms i use

03:27:09 [sbp]

ah, fair enough

03:27:12 [AaronSw]

so like, cheeseJoke.

03:27:39 [sbp]

and what happens when Morbus and I also use the cheese namespace to... um... y'know: cheese you off

03:27:47 [Morbus]

* Morbus awakens.

03:27:48 [Morbus]

wha?

03:27:51 [sbp]

lol

03:27:57 [Morbus]

my screen is glowing orange here. the color of cheese.

03:28:05 [Morbus]

how convenient. my name hilighter is orange :)

03:28:18 [AaronSw]

heh

03:28:23 [sbp]

so the word "cheese" sets off your alarm, and not "Morbus"?

03:28:32 [Morbus]

no, just Morbus :)

03:31:41 [sbp]

The problem with deelified namespaces: what do you put there?

03:31:52 [AaronSw]

Don't use them ;)

03:32:02 [sbp]

I was going to use RDDL, but that clearly sucks, as does TDDL (text/html)

03:32:10 [sbp]

Make me

03:32:24 [sbp]

so anyway, I was thinking of just using XML RDF

03:32:30 [sbp]

but cunningly applying a CSS sheet

03:32:53 [sbp]

I dunno if that'll work, but let's try

03:34:27 [sbp]

not an optimal solution, because people will think that I'm endorsing XML RDF. Oh well

03:34:55 [sbp]

hopefully they'll just think it's an odd HTML page, and won't bother looking at the source

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03:39:22 [AaronSw]

hi hazmat

03:39:27 [sbp]

Hi there

03:39:29 [hazmat]

hi aaron

03:39:49 [hazmat]

anything exciting down under

03:40:01 [AaronSw]

down under?

03:40:05 [AaronSw]

not too much...

03:40:17 [AaronSw]

with you?

03:40:20 [hazmat]

a common american nick for australia

03:40:33 [AaronSw]

i know, but i don't live in australia ;)

03:40:41 [hazmat]

woops, my mistake.

03:40:45 [AaronSw]

heh heh

03:40:54 [oierw`]

<Morbus> and echelon too! don't forget echelon!

03:40:55 [oierw`]

<AaronSw> oierw really worries about this stuff

03:41:03 [oierw`]

hey. it's not paranoia if it really happens

03:41:06 [oierw`]

:)

03:41:12 [AaronSw]

right

03:41:19 [AaronSw]

that makes oierw cool

03:41:29 [oierw`]

and i like to be secure before they start watching me

03:41:45 [oierw`]

i know they aren't seeing everything i type

03:41:46 [AaronSw]

let's exchange fingerprints before they do

03:41:47 [AaronSw]

quick

03:41:50 [oierw`]

* oierw` checks that

03:42:17 [oierw`]

unless they boobytrapped my mobo, i'm safe

03:42:23 [AaronSw]

mobo?

03:42:27 [oierw`]

or got me with a trojan

03:42:28 [dngxor]

i'm also working on code-less poe components, but from the other direction.

03:42:28 [oierw`]

motherboard

03:42:33 [AaronSw]

ah

03:42:35 [oierw`]

i just checked for a keylogger :p

03:42:41 [AaronSw]

how'd you do that?

03:42:48 [Morbus]

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03:42:51 [oierw`]

a physical one

03:42:56 [AaronSw]

oh

03:42:57 [oierw`]

connected on the keyboard

03:43:09 [AaronSw]

OK, ready. my fingerprint is Key fingerprint = 4FAC 4838 B7D8 D13F A6D9 2EDB 4145 521E 79F0 DF4B

03:43:27 [AaronSw]

hmm, i don't have your key

03:43:28 [oierw`]

* oierw` hunts for pgptray

03:43:43 [oierw`]

http://oierw.espians.com/pgpkey

03:43:43 [oierw`]

i think

03:43:57 [oierw`]

ah

03:43:57 [oierw`]

http://oierw.espians.com/pgp_key

03:44:28 [AaronSw]

OK, what's your fingerprint?

03:44:31 [oierw`]

D624 A0FA B065 7CCC 24B1 2093 4D36 0E89 B219 8A03

03:44:33 [AaronSw]

D624 A0FA B065 7CCC 24B1 2093 4D36 0E89 B219 8A03

03:44:35 [oierw`]

for mathew@oierw.net

03:44:38 [AaronSw]

looks good

03:44:44 [oierw`]

now... we should double check

03:44:48 [oierw`]

off to mu2 we go!

03:44:57 [sbp]

Well, it kinda works in Mozilla

03:45:00 [oierw`]

as long as our connections to mu2 aren't bad

03:45:22 [AaronSw]

i did some public ket stuff -- don't think there's a man in the middle

03:45:30 [AaronSw]

unless they rooted mu2

03:45:44 [oierw`]

mine could conceivably be

03:46:13 [oierw`]

screen -r -x oierw/

03:46:15 [oierw`]

err...

03:46:20 [oierw`]

-x -r oierw/ rather

03:50:13 [sbp]

ah, an alternative may be to embed the HTML in the RDF as a literal

03:50:33 [sbp]

but that has the disadvantage that you have to send it out as text/html, so it's besides the point anyway

03:52:05 [sbp]

Ooh! Mozilla "correctly" tries to render it. IE won't

03:52:20 [sbp]

* sbp tests, is correct

03:58:11 [sbp]

cool; characters are starting to vanish in my browsers

03:58:14 [sbp]

weird bug

03:58:31 [Morbus]

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03:58:59 [Morbus]

finished!

03:59:01 [Morbus]

finished at long last!

03:59:07 [Morbus]

whooo!

03:59:29 [Morbus]

4448 words.

03:59:39 [Morbus]

not so bad.

04:00:55 [Morbus]

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04:09:02 [sbp]

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04:09:30 [sbp]

Here it is: http://infomesh.net/2001/12/terms/

04:09:46 [sbp]

In IE, it looks like a pile of XML RDF; shows the XML source

04:09:55 [sbp]

In Mozilla, it looks like a normal XHTML page

04:10:01 [sbp]

with working HyperLinks!

04:10:11 [sbp]

great stuff

04:12:01 [AaronSw]

heh

04:27:09 [sbp]

Is rdf:ID going to be dropped? "rdfms-difference-between-ID-and-about: What is the difference between using an rdf:ID attribute to 'create' a new resource and an rdf:about attribute to refer to it? (Aaron Swartz)"

04:27:39 [AaronSw]

No, it's just going to be defined as equivalent to rdf:about, and rdf:about is to be preferred

04:28:12 [sbp]

cool

04:28:17 [AaronSw]

"""

04:28:18 [AaronSw]

AT&T (not) At (my) Home

04:28:19 [AaronSw]

I called AT&T yesterday and cancelled my AtHome cable service. I will not tolerate the way my family was treated as pawns in their little game. Now I can only hope Verizon does a little better with their DSL service. If not then I would be reluctant yet proud to go back to a local 56k provider with my tail between my legs.

04:28:19 [AaronSw]

"""

04:28:25 [AaronSw]

- http://pdlogan.ManilaSites.Com/2001/12/02

04:30:12 [sbp]

is [ dc:format "text/html"; rdf:value "<html [...]>[...]</html>" ] . likely to mean what I think it means?

04:30:40 [TheTick]

fwoosh

04:34:20 [AaronSw]

what do you thin kit means?

04:34:32 [AaronSw]

yeah, that should work.

04:34:41 [AaronSw]

ok, i'm off for a bit

04:36:10 [sbp]

O.K., cheers

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04:49:41 [oierw]

heh

04:49:47 [oierw]

i have at&t roadrunner :p

04:51:36 [dngxor]

nini

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05:08:13 [AaronSw]

heh heh

05:08:20 [AaronSw]

i wish i had mediaone

05:09:29 [TheTick]

what's mediaone?

05:10:15 [AaronSw]

at&t roadrunner

05:10:17 [AaronSw]

;)

05:10:27 [sbp]

Meep meep

05:10:37 [AaronSw]

heh heh

05:10:53 [sbp]

I love those cartoons...

05:11:30 [TheTick]

ah

05:11:32 [TheTick]

I love my dsl.

05:12:25 [tansaku]

hi guys

05:13:15 [tansaku]

hey AaronSw, you managed to change the topic on the Decent channel previously - could you tell me how - I'm trying but it tells me I need to be channel operator ...

05:13:30 [AaronSw]

hmm

05:14:52 [tansaku]

I mean I thought I was the channel operator, but then again ...

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05:15:11 [AaronSw]

it works for me

05:15:19 [AaronSw]

you need to be "opped" it means

05:20:57 [tansaku]

can you "op" me?

05:21:06 [AaronSw]

no, only a superop can

05:21:13 [AaronSw]

or an op in the channel

05:23:47 [sagan.openprojects.net]

sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: The last digit of Pi is "Plex"

05:25:41 [sbp]

That's quite a nice little type and concept mismatch

05:25:41 [AaronSw]

Heh.

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05:25:41 [sbp]

is logster working?

05:25:41 [logster]

* logster is already logging

05:25:45 [AaronSw]

logster, on

05:25:50 [AaronSw]

should be

05:26:09 [AaronSw]

yep, it is

05:26:39 [sbp]

ye

05:26:39 [sbp]

s/ye/yep/

05:26:58 [sbp]

can you do a file with all of the topics?

05:27:11 [sbp]

grep changed the topic to and process appropriately

05:27:11 [AaronSw]

yep

05:27:15 [sbp]

thank you

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05:31:12 [AaronSw]

should be on its way

05:32:55 [AaronSw]

hmm, interesting

05:33:09 [AaronSw]

seems our topics grew rather exponentially

05:33:59 [sbp]

There once was a man named Iff | Who suddenly feel off a cliff | He clung to a bird | Who then laid a big turd | Quoth poor Morbus: "what's that horrible whiff?"

05:34:26 [AaronSw]

lol

05:34:46 [sbp]

That's the best I could do at 5:35AM :-)

05:35:53 [sbp]

I love this one: 2001-09-09.txt:22:23:20 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Breakfast, Beatles, and Berlin

05:36:05 [sbp]

it made us sound refined

05:36:05 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

05:37:24 [sbp]

heh: 2001-10-08.txt:22:47:52 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Sally is a Resouce, do da do da hey! Sally is a Resouce, a Resource for today! Hey!

05:37:30 [sbp]

you went into one

05:37:56 [sbp]

me doing wonderful things: 2001-10-12.txt:23:22:06 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: #swhack: the word and acronym machine (TWAAM - giblify)

05:38:32 [sbp]

lol: 2001-10-16.txt:18:17:26 <Morbus> Morbus has changed the topic to: the burning sensation thwarts my ointy medication

05:38:34 [AaronSw]

gibifly?

05:38:41 [sbp]

no, "giblify"

05:39:05 [AaronSw]

giblify?

05:39:10 [AaronSw]

swhack is pretty young.

05:39:23 [sbp]

I thought this was your joke (I'm sure of it): 2001-10-21.txt:21:12:47 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Good evening and welcome to swhackers

05:39:28 [sbp]

swhack: yeah, it is

05:39:31 [AaronSw]

Yeah, it was.

05:39:32 [sbp]

only a few months!

05:39:44 [sbp]

seems like an eternity, though :-)

05:39:48 [AaronSw]

It does indeed.

05:39:53 [AaronSw]

A long eternity too!

05:40:13 [sbp]

aah: 2001-10-25.txt:18:05:30 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: The channel where the off-topic is the topic.

05:40:20 [sbp]

heh, heh

05:41:42 [sbp]

one of my favourites: 2001-11-26.txt:20:37:08 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: disobey.com | aaronsw.com | Homer

05:41:51 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh.

05:42:11 [AaronSw]

The Swhack Media Empire

05:42:18 [sbp]

heh, heh

05:42:29 [sbp]

aren't we grand?

05:42:51 [sagan.openprojects.net]

sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: swhack is the sound made when hitting sbp over the head with a clue-by-four

05:42:58 [AaronSw]

we are

05:43:09 [sbp]

ooh, clue

05:43:31 [AaronSw]

just wanted that on the record there

05:43:36 [sbp]

yep

05:44:29 [AaronSw]

Next time I see TimBL I need to ask him: "Are YOU a sequence-and-hierarchy chauvinist?"

05:44:49 [AaronSw]

recent allegations from Mr. Ted Nelson have exposed this distressing claim

05:45:32 [sbp]

heh, heh: http://www.rhymezone.com/g/quotes/a/7//

05:45:55 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

05:46:40 [sbp]

more: http://www.rhymezone.com/g/quotes/m/78//

05:47:21 [sbp]

heh: "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's

05:47:21 [sbp]

too dark to read."

05:47:39 [AaronSw]

"Military justice is to justice what military music is to music."

05:47:57 [AaronSw]

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book."

05:51:28 [sbp]

I had a dream that Mr. Sandman brought me reality

05:51:36 [AaronSw]

Weird.

05:51:39 [AaronSw]

How was reality?

05:51:55 [sbp]

The cutest thing you've ever seen :-)

05:51:59 [AaronSw]

Heh.

05:52:08 [AaronSw]

Zooko has some nice links in http://zooko.com/ day 2001-12-03.

05:52:37 [sbp]

I disagree. I think they're cute links, and nobody can deny

05:52:49 [sbp]

ooh, he's snipped it

05:52:55 [AaronSw]

snipped it?

05:53:15 [sbp]

you're right, they are good links

05:53:18 [AaronSw]

ooh, so he did

05:53:22 [sbp]

yeah, moved the stuff at the bottom

05:53:37 [AaronSw]

tsk, breaking links like that!

05:53:40 [AaronSw]

and a lot too

05:53:48 [AaronSw]

that's like most of it

05:54:25 [sbp]

heh, heh

05:54:42 [sbp]

His page is no longer persistent! But the concept remains the same... Hmm... :-)

05:54:55 [AaronSw]

Hmm, diddy, hmm

05:55:17 [sbp]

"For the Irby fans, I am pleased to report that Irby is happy and healthy and growing. Last night I noticed he had been making "vvvv" and "ffff" and spluttering sounds, so I got his attention and said "Irby: can you say... 'VVVVvvvuh'?". He narrowed his eyes in concentration, worked his mouth a bit, and then said "fffvvvvvvvVVVUUUUH!"."

05:56:28 [sbp]

Man, I'd love to meet Irby. Not concerned about Zooko, just wanna meet Irby :-)

05:56:35 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh, me too.

05:56:39 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

05:56:49 [AaronSw]

He did have some Irby photos on him, but that's not at all the same.

05:57:02 [AaronSw]

Oh, Zooko had a very nice fluffy pillow too.

05:57:03 [sbp]

No, true... you can get them on the 'net

05:57:09 [sbp]

Pillow?

05:57:09 [AaronSw]

Not these!

05:57:13 [AaronSw]

Yeah.

05:57:26 [sbp]

Just kinda carries it about?

05:57:34 [AaronSw]

Yeah. He lost it twice tho.

05:57:37 [AaronSw]

But of course recovered it.

05:57:41 [AaronSw]

It's very fluffy.

05:58:01 [sbp]

Where did he get it from?

05:58:01 [AaronSw]

Man, Toto's story sure is sad.

05:58:06 [AaronSw]

I don't know...

05:58:21 [AaronSw]

he's sleeping on it now

05:58:32 [sbp]

.time

05:58:33 [xena]

2001/12/05 06:00:05.54114 Universal

05:58:45 [AaronSw]

.time cst

05:58:46 [xena]

Dec. 5, 2001 12:00 am US/Central

05:58:50 [sbp]

I should be smeggering off now

05:58:58 [AaronSw]

you should be smeggering on!

05:59:10 [sbp]

smeggering on? How would I go about that?

05:59:21 [AaronSw]

well, just stay here i suppose

05:59:28 [sbp]

Make me

05:59:33 [AaronSw]

if you smegger off i'll have to smegger off too.

05:59:42 [sbp]

that's a good point

05:59:53 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smeggers up and down

05:59:57 [sbp]

although I'm sure you'll be able to find someone on OPN that's as interesting as me

06:00:03 [AaronSw]

heh heh

06:00:05 [sbp]

go talk to xena, for example

06:00:16 [AaronSw]

Apparently #zope did that for an hour or two.

06:00:16 [sbp]

xena, lay down

06:00:23 [AaronSw]

Shows the intelligence of zopists..

06:00:31 [sbp]

that desn't surprise me/yeah

06:00:37 [AaronSw]

/join #interestingPeople

06:00:38 [sbp]

s/desn't/doesn't/

06:00:46 [AaronSw]

Hmm, nobody there.

06:00:49 [AaronSw]

oh well

06:00:55 [sbp]

you're there

06:01:00 [AaronSw]

true

06:01:07 [sbp]

and I'm there

06:01:14 [AaronSw]

also true

06:01:37 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smeggers left and right

06:01:54 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smeggers to the tune of "Another Brick in the Wall"

06:01:58 [sbp]

We should do a global spam: please join #interestingPeople if you're interesting, and quit OPN if you're not

06:02:03 [AaronSw]

lol

06:02:16 [sbp]

* sbp smeggers about smeggingly

06:02:52 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smeggers on

06:03:09 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smeggers backwards

06:03:11 [sbp]

"Don't tie my suitcase up and down!" Is what an interesting person would say

06:03:33 [sbp]

A boring person would smegger about, saying shit like "Nice day today where I am... how was it for you?"

06:03:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smeggers off

06:03:43 [AaronSw]

... a cliff

06:03:47 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks down

06:03:51 [AaronSw]

... and falls

06:04:28 [sbp]

* sbp wonders what's smegging on

06:04:37 [sbp]

sorry...

06:04:45 [sbp]

s/smegging/smeggering/

06:04:49 [AaronSw]

smeg!

06:05:21 [AaronSw]

ok, niteynite

06:05:32 [sbp]

'night

06:05:59 [sbp]

Aaron, if I say your name, will it call you back to the computer?

06:06:05 [AaronSw]

Shoot, yes.

06:06:10 [sbp]

heh, heh :-)

06:06:13 [AaronSw]

Stop messing with my transporter!

06:06:39 [AaronSw]

niteynite

06:06:42 [sbp]

* sbp disables his transporter disruptor beam

06:06:45 [sbp]

'night

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06:10:23 [sbp]

Damn thing disconnected me just as I was changing the topic

06:10:27 [sbp]

Damn, now I can't adequately recall what I was chaning it to

06:10:40 [sagan.openprojects.net]

sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: What's the topic?

06:10:47 [sbp]

there, perfect

06:11:05 [sbp]

I also didn't want to spoil my "Gotta run" run

06:11:13 [sbp]

wait for it...

06:11:13 [AaronSw]

lol

06:11:16 [sbp]

Gotta run

06:11:17 [sbp]

:-)

06:11:17 [AaronSw]

bam!

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06:18:34 [sbp]

Another Slight Return

06:18:37 [sbp]

I remembered what I was going to change the topic to!

06:19:17 [sagan.openprojects.net]

sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: It's that time of the day again: sbp's Gotta run, AaronSw says "niteynite", and Morbus shall return, but has to defecate

06:19:27 [sbp]

Wonderful!

06:19:43 [sbp]

I thank you, and as ever...

06:19:44 [sbp]

Gotta run

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My pillow?

12:15:20 [tansaku]

your pillow

12:15:21 [tansaku]

?

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sagan.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: Zooko's pillow

13:48:07 [AaronSw]

sbp wanted to know where you got it from, zooko

13:52:25 [oierw]

hello aaronsw

13:52:44 [oierw]

i typed up most my stuff, then clicked the back button on my mouse and it erased all my text :)

14:10:45 [AaronSw]

oierw!

14:10:52 [AaronSw]

What were you typing into?!

14:11:14 [AaronSw]

I think this is reason to use Emacs number 9045.

14:12:02 [AaronSw]

"SUN Microsystems: The Network IS the Load Average."

14:14:58 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.eclipse.org/

14:15:15 [chumpster]

A: http://www.eclipse.org/ from AaronSw

14:15:30 [AaronSw]

A:|Eclipse.org Consortium

14:15:32 [chumpster]

titled item A

14:15:50 [AaronSw]

A::"Through the Eclipse Platform, seamless integration of tools from several different vendors will be possible on Windows(TM), Linux® and QNX® developer workstations."

14:15:51 [chumpster]

commented item A

14:18:22 [oierw``]

AaronSw: internet explorer :p

14:18:30 [AaronSw]

stuuuupid!

14:18:33 [oierw``]

:)

14:18:44 [oierw``]

anyways... i ran it through a spell checker

14:18:49 [oierw``]

http://oierw.espians.com/plex_network

14:18:53 [oierw``]

it's not completed yet

14:18:56 [oierw``]

by far

14:19:12 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh: "

14:19:16 [oierw``]

it's basically a 'this term means this and operates like this'

14:19:20 [AaronSw]

"/author note: most of this document was written in a car while falling asleep and it was transposed from paper to the computer while the author was asleep. you have been warned./ "

14:19:31 [oierw``]

it's supposed to be italicised

14:19:34 [oierw``]

but it's not

14:19:35 [oierw``]

:\

14:19:40 [AaronSw]

hmm

14:20:01 [AaronSw]

looks good so far

14:20:25 [AaronSw]

but for your sake, write it in something with autosave

14:21:08 [oierw``]

i typed it in vi actually

14:21:29 [oierw``]

up 70 days, 8:10

14:21:34 [oierw``]

i think i'm safe with that computer

14:21:56 [oierw``]

heck. the esp bitchx has been open that long :p

14:22:38 [oierw``]

i have the chord access information written up but haven't typed it

14:22:52 [oierw``]

* oierw`` has been up for 3.5 hours already today :(

14:23:55 [AaronSw]

that's only like 5:30

14:29:55 [oierw``]

5 actually

14:30:00 [oierw``]

but i was up at 2

14:30:25 [oierw``]

and i was sleep deprived before that anwyays

14:35:07 [AaronSw]

sounds like it

14:37:00 [oierw``]

hey!

14:37:08 [oierw``]

i was falling asleep in a car writing that stuff :p

14:37:29 [AaronSw]

heh heh

14:37:38 [AaronSw]

i didn't mean it that way!

14:37:50 [oierw``]

:)

14:38:13 [oierw``]

i wasn't sure how you meant it (and if you had though it that way, i thought you were playing with me :p)

15:05:21 [AaronSw]

k, i'm off

15:13:25 [oierw``]

cya

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18:50:57 [AaronSw]

hello

18:51:03 [Morbus]

hey there.

18:51:32 [oierw]

AaronSw: i've continued adding more documentation

18:51:44 [AaronSw]

cool, i'll take a look now

18:52:04 [oierw]

plus played too much freecell

18:52:09 [AaronSw]

heh

18:52:12 [AaronSw]

bad oierw! :)

18:52:19 [oierw]

i won 8 games in a row though!

18:52:56 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

18:54:21 [oierw]

once i know what every message needs

18:54:26 [AaronSw]

what format is ESP_Theme_Extended.it in?

18:54:41 [oierw]

.it is some weird audio file iirc

18:55:33 [AaronSw]

Ahh, "Impulse Tracker music module (MOD) file" - http://www.ace.net.nz/tech/TechFileFormat.html#i

18:56:27 [oierw]

i've thought of insert/requests too much

18:56:40 [oierw]

just thinking of it down makes me shudder

18:57:05 [AaronSw]

down?

18:57:07 [AaronSw]

like offline?

18:57:26 [oierw]

err...

18:57:31 [oierw]

thinking of writing it down

18:57:47 [AaronSw]

Ah.

18:57:48 [oierw]

over 2 months on just htat :p

18:57:52 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

18:57:58 [AaronSw]

heh: http://idisk.mac.com/robbbeal/Public/dicard2.jpg

18:58:01 [oierw]

* oierw will let anubis fill in the details there

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19:02:11 [Morbus]

robbbeal? that name sounds so familiar. where did i just see that name recently.

19:02:23 [AaronSw]

i talked about him here a bit

19:02:27 [AaronSw]

i was on the phone with him

19:02:39 [Morbus]

coulda swore i saw it in an email message though.

19:02:41 [Morbus]

lemme search.

19:03:06 [Morbus]

welp, not on my work machine. ah twell.

19:03:15 [Morbus]

sent derrick my article this morning.

19:03:20 [AaronSw]

cool

19:03:32 [Morbus]

last thing i heard from him was the metallic clang of him killfiling me. is that good?

19:03:36 [AaronSw]

you know, you could search all your mail if you stored it with imap

19:03:46 [AaronSw]

Morbus, very good

19:03:51 [Morbus]

yeah, i can search all my mail on disk too. so? <g>

19:04:03 [oierw``]

AaronSw: you could also do it if you stored everything on one computer

19:04:03 [AaronSw]

except you can't search all of it ;)

19:04:17 [Morbus]

heh, see, oierw``knows what i'm talking about ;0

19:04:22 [AaronSw]

yep, but Morb wants to check email from home and work

19:04:29 [AaronSw]

and is too lazy to bring his mac to work

19:04:31 [Morbus]

and i do it just fine.

19:04:36 [oierw``]

AaronSw: just make sure email gets to both :)

19:04:37 [Morbus]

hehehehe. well, the thing is heavy!

19:04:46 [AaronSw]

it's only two blocks!

19:04:49 [AaronSw]

sheesh

19:05:18 [Morbus]

yeah, but the ice is coming. i don't want to slip and fall.

19:05:44 [AaronSw]

come on, what is this, some machine made of glass or something?

19:05:47 [AaronSw]

it can handle it

19:06:08 [Morbus]

what if someone mugs me? my whole life is in that machine.

19:06:22 [AaronSw]

i thought you made offsite backups

19:06:40 [Morbus]

yah, but what good will that do if i can only restore them onto a piece of crap machine?

19:07:03 [AaronSw]

it wouldn't be an issue if you used imap!

19:07:08 [AaronSw]

you could access it from any machine

19:07:12 [AaronSw]

:-)

19:07:16 [oierw``]

or with homeowners insurance!

19:07:22 [Morbus]

you think the only good thing i have to backup is your stupid 404 emails? <g>

19:07:33 [Morbus]

the disobey website is 120 megs alone.

19:07:47 [Morbus]

with reports stretching back to 1997, that equate to another 100 or so megs.

19:08:11 [AaronSw]

email them to yourself for safety! :)

19:08:17 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

19:08:23 [AaronSw]

oh wait, you can't with your puny 56k modem!

19:08:34 [Morbus]

i'm surprisd you didn't tell me to use alexa as my backup ;)

19:08:39 [AaronSw]

lol

19:16:30 [oierw``]

hmm. another plex app: distributed snort filters

19:16:39 [oierw``]

or firewall filters

19:17:09 [AaronSw]

Ugh, it's asking me about blackjack strategies again, Morbus!

19:17:15 [AaronSw]

snort?

19:17:40 [Morbus]

yeah, its a traffic sniffer sort of thing.

19:17:44 [AaronSw]

ah

19:17:47 [Morbus]

i didn't send you an bj stuff this time,

19:17:58 [Morbus]

and distributed spam subject lines, or body text snippets too.

19:18:05 [AaronSw]

exactly

19:18:14 [Morbus]

seen spamassassin?

19:18:17 [Morbus]

or razor?

19:18:42 [Morbus]

http://razor.sourceforge.net/

19:18:46 [AaronSw]

yeah

19:18:52 [AaronSw]

didn't i tell you about razor?

19:19:04 [Morbus]

i heard about it from spam-tools myself.

19:19:09 [AaronSw]

hmm

19:19:14 [Morbus]

spamassassin hooks into razor if you have it installed too.

19:19:16 [AaronSw]

is there a mac os x version?

19:19:27 [Morbus]

you may have told me about it too. i think about four people all told me in the span of two days ;)

19:19:31 [AaronSw]

heh

19:19:42 [AaronSw]

ooh, i could write a pythonScript for my email client

19:24:51 [oierw``]

AaronSw: it's an intrusion detection system

19:25:20 [AaronSw]

yeah, all sorts of those collaborative problem-solving stuff is interesting on the plex

19:32:28 [AaronSw]

@ http://corporateanthems.raettig.org/

19:32:35 [chumpster]

B: http://corporateanthems.raettig.org/ from AaronSw

19:32:44 [AaronSw]

B:|Corporate Anthems is looking for a new web hostr

19:32:45 [chumpster]

titled item B

19:32:46 [AaronSw]

B:|Corporate Anthems is looking for a new web host

19:32:47 [chumpster]

titled item B

19:33:23 [Morbus]

B::Wow. Good site.

19:33:24 [chumpster]

commented item B

19:33:41 [AaronSw]

I'm going to ask him how much bandwidth he needs

19:34:43 [AaronSw]

Hmm, a gigabyte an hour. wow.

19:35:01 [Morbus]

heh. no. that's outta my league ;)

19:35:34 [AaronSw]

perhaps he should use bittorrent or some p2p system ;)

19:35:42 [AaronSw]

ooh, audiogalaxy

19:35:49 [Morbus]

yeah, that'd be good.

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* AaronSw is off for a bit. c'ya

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21:25:08 [sbp]

Hey there Morby

21:25:18 [sbp]

Did you see the little Limerick that I wrote about you?

21:25:18 [Morbus]

hey

21:26:43 [sbp]

2001-12-05 05:33:59 <sbp> There once was a man named Iff | Who suddenly feel off a cliff | He clung to a bird | Who then laid a big turd | Quoth poor Morbus: "what's that horrible whiff?"

21:26:53 [sbp]

s/feel/fell/

21:27:33 [sbp]

quite a masterful Limerick, IMO

21:34:17 [Morbus]

oh my lord, that's awesome <g>

21:34:30 [Morbus]

thats' going into one of my signatures.

21:34:55 [sbp]

lol

21:35:00 [Morbus]

<g>

21:35:15 [Morbus]

the last line doesn't seem to have the same litany as the others though.

21:35:24 [Morbus]

its longer.

21:35:59 [sbp]

You could do:-

21:36:03 [sbp]

s/Morbus/Morb/

21:36:34 [sbp]

You have to imagine it with a kind of John Cleese accent to get the right impression, I think

21:36:45 [Morbus]

or "and quipped "what a horrible whiff!"

21:36:58 [Morbus]

no, that's not much better.

21:37:02 [Morbus]

i'm saying this outloud. is that stupid? <g>

21:37:02 [sbp]

yep, that works

21:37:25 [Morbus]

no, it doesn't work cos it seems like the bird is saying that.

21:40:28 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reconnects

21:40:41 [Morbus]

you could do just plain old "what's that horrible whiff" to, but that doesnt' accentuate the character.

21:40:42 [Morbus]

<G>

21:41:00 [Morbus]

the quotes around it would be the only clue that it's Iff talking.

21:42:07 [AaronSw]

hee hee

21:42:33 [Morbus]

wb AaronSw. how'd yer driving thingy go?

21:42:51 [AaronSw]

they're computers were down, so it didn't.

21:42:55 [AaronSw]

s/they're/their/

21:43:01 [Morbus]

awwww.

21:43:15 [AaronSw]

yeah, stupid computers!

21:43:30 [Morbus]

what the hell good are they? so. did you apply for a job to fix their computers?

21:43:38 [AaronSw]

heh heh, no

21:43:51 [Morbus]

take advantage of the situation, dear boy! <G>

21:44:06 [Morbus]

!!!!

21:44:10 [Morbus]

[[[The December Developer Tools download and mailing contains AppleScript Studio, previewed earlier this year to great reviews.

21:44:12 [Morbus]

]]]

21:44:18 [AaronSw]

Ooooooh!

21:44:23 [Morbus]

awww: Update: AppleScript Studio requires system upgrades that will be released with OS X 10.1.2; this is why the release is not currently available for general download.

21:45:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw listens to KPMG Hard Rock Strategy

21:45:08 [Morbus]

lol.

21:45:14 [AaronSw]

it's funny

21:45:29 [Morbus]

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20011205014730356

21:45:44 [AaronSw]

A Vision of Hard Rock Strategy3:14MC Vitamin Dwww.mcvitamind.com/tunesAcid Punk

21:45:52 [Morbus]

aaahh.

21:45:54 [Morbus]

"Thus you don't need 10.1.2 to use A.S.S, you just need the devtools. However the apps it creates will only work on 10.1.2. "

21:46:15 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

21:46:53 [AaronSw]

I wonder when my December Developers mailing will come.

21:46:57 [AaronSw]

They usually come pretty fast.

21:47:07 [Morbus]

i don't get the mailings.

21:47:11 [Morbus]

how do you get the mailings?

21:47:18 [AaronSw]

in the mail

21:47:24 [Morbus]

i'm a magical member of the dev tool thingy.

21:47:31 [Morbus]

but i don't get any mailings.

21:47:35 [AaronSw]

i'm a student developer

21:47:43 [AaronSw]

they must like me more

21:48:11 [Morbus]

no. you're young. i'm an old fart.

21:48:20 [Morbus]

you get the good shit. dammit. this sucks.

21:48:45 [Morbus]

"Student Devlopers don't get it either... :-(. They probably will release it for Student and Online devs later (so that the members that paid more get it more quickly without having to worry about the servers being too bogged down).

21:48:45 [Morbus]

"

21:48:50 [Morbus]

http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11117&db=macosx

21:48:56 [AaronSw]

hmmph

21:49:02 [Morbus]

phbbbt <g>

21:52:33 [Morbus]

i was gonna use ASS to create an ampheta gui. don't need to know more, thansk to deus_x

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topic is: Zooko's pillow

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* sbp got a bit enthralled there trying to work out a solo for "Up On The Roof"

21:56:02 [AaronSw]

<sbp> ooh, and I have to go now. Oh well :-)

21:56:02 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> poo!

21:56:02 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Heh heh.

21:56:02 [AaronSw]

<deus_x> You were going to use your ass to make a GUI?

21:56:04 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> yup. i think gui's are smelly.

21:56:07 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> apple script studio.

21:56:08 [AaronSw]

<deus_x> Ahh, I see

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21:57:20 [AaronSw]

How do i get the exit value of a program?

21:57:34 [deltab]

in what?

21:57:40 [AaronSw]

in the shell

21:57:43 [AaronSw]

bash

21:57:50 [deltab]

$?

21:58:01 [AaronSw]

?

21:58:08 [AaronSw]

please elaborate

21:58:20 [deltab]

$? is replaced by the exit code

21:58:24 [AaronSw]

Ah

21:58:29 [AaronSw]

for the previous program?

21:58:49 [deltab]

deltab@mewtwo ~ $ false; echo $?

21:58:49 [deltab]

1

21:59:05 [AaronSw]

cool

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22:01:19 [AaronSw]

this razor doesn't seem very effective

22:01:28 [Morbus]

vipul's?

22:01:31 [AaronSw]

yeah

22:01:38 [Morbus]

really? why's that?

22:01:41 [AaronSw]

does the spam need to be in some special format?

22:01:45 [AaronSw]

it's not catching any of my spam

22:01:52 [Morbus]

i dunno. i've never used it.

22:01:56 [Morbus]

i was gonna start with http://spamassassin.taint.org

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and then insert vipul into it.

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22:06:21 [Morbus]

heh. kpmg is #3 at blogdex.

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22:07:17 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

22:07:36 [Morbus]

"There's a reason XML-DEV has been quiet lately: all subscribers have been removed from the list. OASIS are conducting an investigation into how this happened. All subscribers will be automatically reinstated shortly."

22:07:39 [Morbus]

hear about that?

22:07:45 [AaronSw]

no, wow

22:08:09 [Morbus]

heh, heh: http://eugene.manilasites.com/pictures/viewer$195

22:08:30 [AaronSw]

eugene hangs out here sometimes

22:08:46 [Morbus]

really? i've only seen him on icq. or aim. whatever we're on.

22:08:53 [AaronSw]

heh

22:08:59 [Morbus]

who's hazmat, btw?

22:09:08 [AaronSw]

python developer

22:09:23 [AaronSw]

someone must have faked these KPMG lyrics

22:10:03 [Morbus]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/23113.html

22:10:27 [AaronSw]

"we pass the wombs that are laid" ???

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22:33:05 [carter.openprojects.net]

topic is: Zooko's pillow

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Users on #swhack: logster dngxor Morbus deus_x tav oierw` tansaku_sleeping hazmat oierw deltab AaronSw

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22:33:21 [AaronSw]

hold on, paste:

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<AaronSw> Oh man, mofo.com...

22:33:31 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> heh.

22:33:31 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> they have a song too

22:33:31 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> http://homepage.mac.com/vjalby/download/XFontInfo.dmg

22:33:32 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> finally - double click a font file!

22:33:32 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> i still want to find a util to convert fonts to the os x .dfont format. know of any?

22:33:34 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> nope

22:33:36 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> i can't believe i'm reading htis: http://www.fawcette.com/xmlmag/2001_12/magazine/features/interview/

22:33:38 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> ah well.

22:33:40 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> "The result is that we're probably the largest volume content management vendor, in terms of the number of sites in production."

22:33:42 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> "The thing that is new in Radio 7.1 is RSS, a technology that filters updated content feeds that you subscribe to and presents them to you in a list of stories."

22:33:45 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> "Since all the content in our system is available in XML, users know they are always able to switch to another content system if they wish. We're the only content management system that makes that guarantee. "

22:33:48 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> huh?

22:33:50 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> hey, AaronSw, you around?

22:33:52 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> yeah

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<Morbus> i need you to explain something to me.

22:33:56 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/synd/2001/11/30/accessibility.html?page=2

22:33:59 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> go to that page, and scroll down to the second code example.

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<Morbus> and then: "Note that this anchor won't show up for GUI browsers because there is nothing within the anchor element."

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<AaronSw> k

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<Morbus> what the hell are they talking about?

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--

22:34:09 [AaronSw]

that's odd...

22:34:11 [AaronSw]

i dunno what they're talking about.

22:34:25 [Morbus]

ok. good.

22:34:31 [Morbus]

i don't feel stupid anymore.

22:34:34 [AaronSw]

heh

22:34:39 [Morbus]

it just doesn't make any sense at all.

22:34:40 [AaronSw]

they must've made a mistake or something

22:35:21 [AaronSw]

hey cool -- i've got vipul's razor working with entourage and the Python OSA

22:35:31 [Morbus]

! kickass !

22:35:33 [Morbus]

that rocks.

22:35:41 [AaronSw]

yeah, it does

22:35:44 [Morbus]

too bad eudora can't process AS on incoming emails.

22:35:45 [AaronSw]

go python osa!

22:35:51 [Morbus]

i never understood why eudora was that stupid.

22:36:10 [AaronSw]

weird

22:36:35 [deltab]

Morbus: makes no sense to me either

22:36:43 [Morbus]

you use eudora?

22:36:50 [Morbus]

oh. ok. nevermind.

22:36:50 [Morbus]

<g>

22:37:13 [deltab]

if it were in an object element, it would make sense

22:37:24 [Morbus]

i was thinking of fetchmailing/procmailing my emails into eudora's folders and then preprocessing them.

22:37:35 [Morbus]

the bad thing about that is that then i'd pretty much preempt any of eudora's filters.

22:37:36 [AaronSw]

deltab, how do i get the return program of a function from python?

22:37:44 [Morbus]

which, isn't a bad thing, actually, since eudora filtering sucks.

22:38:11 [deltab]

return program?

22:38:29 [AaronSw]

err return value of a program

22:38:50 [AaronSw]

popen says it should do it, but i don't see how

22:39:27 [deltab]

os.system returns it

22:39:34 [AaronSw]

ah, cool

22:40:09 [deltab]

built-in open() function. The exit status of the command (encoded

22:40:09 [deltab]

in the format specified for wait()) is available as the return

22:40:09 [deltab]

value of the close() method of the file object, except that when

22:41:12 [AaronSw]

aha

22:44:12 [Morbus]

good: http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=398

22:45:04 [AaronSw]

is that the linus on evolution thing?

22:45:10 [Morbus]

yeah

22:45:16 [AaronSw]

old bits ;)

22:45:26 [Morbus]

heh. i know. but i've just gotten around to reading it now :)

22:47:12 [AaronSw]

This is odd... the script works from Script Editor, but not from Entourage's script menu

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23:02:54 [AaronSw]

oh oh oh oh oh oh

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hey hey hey

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hey-hey-hey-hey!

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* sbp should be moving towards stabilizing EARL 1.0

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Hey there, Iff-dude

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wanted.

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"

23:19:53 [sbp]

Hmm... EARL might not even need a canonical form now that we've decided to use XML RDF. People seem to be coping with it

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23:39:06 [SeanP]

welcome back, Morbus, love of my life.

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23:39:20 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh. How I laugh

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* sbp grins

23:39:51 [Morbus]

awww, Sean, yer too sweet.

23:39:55 [sbp]

welcome back Morbus :-)

23:40:12 [sbp]

you only had to ask!

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:)

23:40:31 [sbp]

tsk, "love of my life" indeed...

23:40:43 [Morbus]

didja miss me?

23:40:58 [sbp]

er... a bit. In the same way I miss school

23:41:26 [sbp]

heh, heh, no I couldn't go that far... Sorry, that was *really* demeening

23:42:03 [Morbus]

* Morbus is currently listening to 'Get You Alone' on Donnas, The's album 'Get Skintight'.

23:42:03 [Morbus]

!itunes

23:42:29 [sbp]

* sbp listens to 2-4-6-8 Motorway, Tom Robinson Band

23:42:47 [Morbus]

Morbus is now known as GameraIff

23:42:53 [sbp]

Gamera?

23:42:58 [GameraIff]

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23:42:58 [sbp]

.google Gemera

23:42:59 [xena]

Gemera: http://www.szc.sk/cesta/sp99/Gemer.htm

23:43:02 [sbp]

.google Gamera

23:43:03 [xena]

Gamera: http://kyle.cinemazone.com/gamera

23:43:52 [Morbus]

yup, that's right. i'm a big godzilla fan.

23:43:53 [sbp]

Different

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* sbp is shocked; not all that much

23:44:23 [Morbus]

heh. why?

23:44:29 [sbp]

I think that it's almost impossible for you to shock me anymore, Morbus. Just impossible

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* Morbus is currently listening to 'Dying Degree' on NOFX's album 'Punk in Drublic'.

23:44:32 [Morbus]

!itunes

23:44:44 [Morbus]

why?!? why is liking godzilla shocking?

23:44:59 [Morbus]

so, in essence, yer saying i'm now boring. great! just great!

23:45:13 [sbp]

Oh, *godzilla*. Sorry, I thought you said something else...

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:-)

23:45:16 [Morbus]

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* GameraIff takes a swipe at jillzilla.

23:45:35 [Morbus]

uh. what'd you think I said?

23:45:39 [sbp]

I just expect the unexpected now

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you don't wanna know :-)

23:45:50 [Morbus]

hehe.

23:46:01 [Morbus]

expect the unexpected! great, i'm a tagline for a stupid Fox show!

23:46:04 [sbp]

I'm starting to read different things into what people write, for fun

23:46:12 [sbp]

Fox?

23:46:35 [Morbus]

Fox television. you know, they did Temptation Island, Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire, and all those other slezey shows.

23:46:40 [Morbus]

its hip to diss Fox. sheesh ;)

23:46:59 [sbp]

Well, Temptation Island was indeed a sleazy piece of crap...

23:47:33 [sbp]

But Fox is home to The Simpsons, so you can't touch them really. Notwithstanding the fact that even The Simspons takes the piss out of Fox on a continual basis

23:48:56 [sbp]

* sbp reviews http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2001/12/03-minutes

23:51:20 [Morbus]

[[[

23:51:21 [Morbus]

* rik swipes a paw at Morbus, realises who's bigger, then back away

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* jillzilla scoops rik up and settles back into an overstuffed chair for some serious petting.

23:51:21 [Morbus]

<Morbus> ah, but gamera loves children, and children love kitties, so therefore, hurting a kitty would lose children love for Gamera, so I won't ;)

23:51:22 [Morbus]

<jillzilla> That is the most twisted logic I think I have ever heard.

23:51:22 [Morbus]

<Morbus> or rather, I guess, gamera has an "affinity" for children.

23:51:28 [Morbus]

<rik> ahh. bonus.

23:51:28 [Morbus]

<Morbus> what? <g>...

23:51:28 [Morbus]

<Ash> haha

23:51:30 [Morbus]

<Morbus> you ain't seen nothing. you should see me and sbp chat in #swhack ;)

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]]]

23:52:16 [sbp]

lol @ affinity/logic/#swhack

23:52:24 [Morbus]

:)

23:52:51 [Morbus]

damn, now i need to make a bio for this article.

23:53:50 [sbp]

Kevin Heminway's real name is Morbus Iff; a content developer from south of Manchester, TX, Morbus enjoys torturing varities of mountain elf for profit

23:54:01 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

23:56:14 [sbp]

I think my latest little persona is going to be "cheerful and depressing". Imagine me going up to someone I haven't met before and saying (cheerfully), "Hi there! Isn't life sucky?! You have to love that depressing weather"

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Enthusiastic, but downright dreary

23:56:59 [Morbus]

and then kicking them in the shins so they forget the quick comeback they were going to deliver!

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lol!

23:57:12 [Morbus]

heh.

23:57:18 [sbp]

Heh, what a great wit deterrent

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"If you come up with a witty remark, I'm going to kick you in the crotch"

23:57:33 [Morbus]

ShinKick of the Demon Spawn +2

23:57:38 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:59:44 [Morbus]

Kevin Hemenway, better known as Morbus Iff, is the creator of <a href="http://www.disobey.com/">disobey.com</a>, which bills itself as "content for the discontented". Publisher and developer of more home cooking than you could ever imagine, he

23:59:48 [Morbus]

that's what i got so far.