00:00:01 Yeah, great. 00:00:07 I'll condemn him! 00:00:11 * TheTick condemns all military 00:00:15 you're assuming an underlying thread of "study war cos i want to kill people". 00:00:27 Well, yes. I'm learning from history. Do you want to try it? 00:00:39 try what? 00:00:45 Learning from history. 00:00:55 oh sure, gimme an example, oh master. 00:01:02 It's funny how the millitary stays the same yet the PR "fight to conquer" moved to "fight for peace" 00:01:03 Star Wars. 00:01:14 heh, exactly, sbp 00:01:26 Yeah 00:01:30 WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR PEACE 00:01:31 you maen how gene roddenberry possessed lucas's body to create the piece of crap that Ep1 was, so that star trek would reign supreme? 00:01:34 peace is war 00:01:35 love is hate 00:01:37 lo 00:01:38 lol 00:01:44 Morbus, no the Missle Defense thingy. 00:01:49 * sbp plays Robert Johnson's "Love In Vain" 00:02:06 !itunes 00:02:16 !itunes 00:02:17 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Station Identification' on EBN's album 'Telecommunication Breakdown'. 00:02:33 a fitting album title, if i must say so. 00:02:41 heh, heh 00:03:26 AaronSw, respectfully, i'm not a history buff, or even a current event buff, for that matter. so i can't argue with you on level ground. 00:03:39 i'm neither too 00:03:53 i don't even read or watch the news 00:03:55 heh 00:03:55 i think you do have to fight for peace, yet. 00:04:15 i think you can't know what peace is without having the opposite to compare it against. you can replace peace with any diametic opposite that exists. 00:04:21 I think stating you are declaring 'War on Terrorism' is idiotic. 00:04:41 But it's exactly what the gov't wants since it does not involve diplomacy at all. 00:04:41 Morbus, do we have to know everything? 00:04:44 "Terrorize the Terrorists!" 00:04:54 to know what we're missing? yes. 00:05:12 you can't argue that man has a necessary need to explore. 00:05:20 I'm not saying that. 00:05:45 I'm just saying that there are somethings better left undone. 00:06:03 War is something that involves a lot of people, without all of their consent 00:06:10 And it's rarely exploration. 00:06:34 Exploration used to lead to war... but there's no such thing any more 00:06:35 and I agree. but things will be done, and I'd rather things happen out in the open. no secrecy. i'd rather some Mass. company say we cloned people, then some SatanSpawn to start producing boy bands by the dozen. 00:06:54 aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 00:07:05 tav` has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 00:07:08 when did we start talking about cloning? 00:07:12 umm 00:07:12 yeah 00:07:15 just now 00:07:16 exploration. 00:07:23 and since when is anything militarily out in the open 00:07:25 ok, well, i think i'm done 00:07:25 logster, where am I? 00:07:28 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T00-07-25-1 00:07:32 there you go 00:07:35 i don't think of things as just singular items, like war. i think of them collectively as part of a grander picture. 00:07:36 Bush is pushing for absolute secrecy on past presidential documents. 00:07:43 So historians don't get to see what really happened. 00:07:51 He already ordered it. 00:07:58 yeah, well duh 00:08:01 It's done, unless congress or the courts overrule it. 00:08:08 Well yeah, I know. 00:08:20 If you find out what kind of underhand tricks the government used in the past, it's a libaility for the current government 00:08:28 And there's really nothing congress can do about an executive order. 00:08:46 They gave the president that power and only he can give it back. 00:09:04 think of war as a patented invention. no one currently knows what magical gyro motion of ... oh nevermind. sigh. 00:09:17 sbp: Yeah, right. 00:09:38 Congress can overrule an executive order. 00:09:43 That's what checks and balances are for. 00:09:46 AaronSw: Ummmm 00:09:49 And the courts can overturn it. 00:09:53 I'd love to see that bit of legislation actually 00:09:54 * sbp listens to The Rolling Stones, "Satisfaction" 00:09:57 pointer? 00:10:10 TheTick, all they have to do is pass a law saying the order is rescinded 00:10:23 AaronSw: Has this ever been done? 00:10:24 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Climate Control' on AK1200's album 'Fully Automatic'. 00:10:24 !itunes 00:10:26 I'd be surprised if there is anything that the president can just steamroller over everyone else 00:10:33 TheTick, I'm pretty sure... 00:10:39 .google congress overturn executive order 00:10:40 congress overturn executive order: http://www.citizen.org 00:10:51 .google executive order rescinded 00:10:52 executive order rescinded: http://www.state.va.us/governor/eorder/eorder68.htm 00:11:05 http://www.citizen.org/hot_issues/issue.cfm?ID=168 00:11:21 'tis what we were just talking about 00:11:34 Yeah. 00:11:45 I know of a lot of cases where the courts overturn an order 00:11:59 Ah good. 00:12:07 Okay, just checking. I hadn't heard of it ever actually being done. 00:12:17 Aha, here: http://www.nga.org/nga/lobbyIssues/1,1169,D_1189,00.html 00:12:21 * TheTick hugs Public Citizen 00:12:23 The Congressional Review Act of 1996. 00:14:16 tav` (tav@host217-34-80-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 00:15:24 What song, Morbus? 00:15:26 * Morbus gives AaronSw a Scooby Snack (tm) 00:15:31 lol 00:16:02 Ohh.. I don't have that one. 00:16:02 :/ 00:16:10 poo. 00:16:18 what's the deal with # crap ? 00:16:38 Oh, that's amusing. 00:16:56 I figure anybody can be logging me at any time on here as it is, so I'm not worried about it 00:16:56 Man, that guy from AC/DC can't sing. Angus Young is a cool guitarist, though 00:16:56 hehe 00:17:15 yeah, hell, i don't even log you. 00:17:17 it's a weird experience listening to AC/DC; wonderful and painful 00:17:20 TheTick, sure, but do they put them on the log? 00:17:28 i just plain old publish logs of you acting like a jerk just to spite you. 00:17:38 you don't even say this shit. it's fun though. 00:17:50 people are like "man, that Tick is a dork". and i'm like "I KnoooOow!!". 00:18:08 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Yakko's World' on Animaniacs's album 'Animaniacs' Wacky Universe, The'. 00:18:08 !itunes 00:19:03 AaronSw, you writing anything for EtCon? 00:19:10 writing? 00:19:16 I proposed a talk. 00:19:25 preparing, rather. i assume you prepare. 00:19:41 Actually, I was thinking more of like just making it up on the spot. 00:19:45 otherwise, you'll come out with a Jam story like me and sbp told. 00:19:49 I figured I'd fit in better that way. 00:19:50 lol 00:19:54 oh. cool. hey, can you fit me in there somehow 00:20:00 i wanna be a goblin. 00:20:04 Heh heh heh. 00:20:16 do you guys play any games? 00:22:26 ok. i should get some emails done. 00:22:41 Did you ever finish the article? 00:23:04 welp, yes, and no. the first draft is done, except for the conclusion. the conclusion will be written after i read through it again to make it a final draft. 00:23:18 so, ultimately, if I do good on my email, i hope to finish it tonight. 00:23:25 AaronSw: On occasion they do end up somewhere public 00:23:37 on occasion 00:23:39 But of course my whole attitude about IRC is that nothing I say here is confidential 00:23:43 this stuff is live baby! 00:23:47 logster, bookmark 00:23:47 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T00-23-47 00:23:50 see 00:23:52 nothing you say anywhere on th enet is confidential. 00:23:58 indeed, Morbus. 00:24:05 So I just don't worry about it. 00:24:10 yeah, me neither 00:24:12 someone could be keylogging me right now! 00:24:18 or staring at my desktop using snapperhead. 00:24:18 CRAP 00:24:20 hehe 00:24:22 snapperhead? 00:24:24 Morbus, you're on the FBI terrorist list, you know. 00:24:30 or, looking at my cam and mapping the movement of my fingers. 00:24:31 So they probably are logging you 00:24:46 i am? goddamit, i thought i paid off the rig... uh. i thought i made them cookies. yeah. cookies. 00:25:01 stupid magical lantern. 00:25:07 The police are outside with their TEMPEST-mobile. blast them! 00:25:20 heh. you said tempest. kickass. 00:25:21 * sbp worries about it all the time... 00:25:33 and echelon too! don't forget echelon! 00:25:49 oierw really worries about this stuff 00:25:50 BOMB TERRORIST NUKE WHITE HOUSE Echelon? What's that? 00:25:50 i've serioulsy wondered, sometimes, if some russian fuck isn't watching me masturbate and drinking vodka and chuckling. 00:25:54 Pff, you guys are sell-outs. Like no-one knows about echelon 00:26:04 Morbus: lol! 00:26:15 Some Russian woman? 00:26:36 no, one of those big guys that do the little kick out pansy dance. with their arms crossed. 00:26:44 I can imagine a Russian women's club, where they go in everyday and bow to the big screen of Morbus conducting his private life 00:26:58 lol 00:27:02 i bet they do. someone else ripped off another of my ideas recently. 00:27:12 marshmallow cereal? 00:27:14 someone russian? 00:27:15 you know epinions? that was an idea i had years and years ago. i still have the original draft for the website. 00:27:32 Oh, well that makes sense. 00:27:35 but no, recently, i found a site that asks question after endless question, and caters the site and images to what you see. 00:27:38 Why do you think they did Cyc? 00:27:46 so they could read people's minds 00:27:49 it was just like an idea i had written down about just that. 00:28:09 my epinions idea was called "everyview". 00:28:18 then they ripped me off about two years after i made the first draft. 00:29:45 hhat'd you think of that marshmallow cereal thing, sbp? 00:29:59 I laughed pretty hard 00:30:05 cool :) 00:30:18 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Down In It (Shred)' on Nine Inch Nails's album 'Down In It'. 00:30:18 !itunes 00:30:31 Of course, now I just want to put your words into practic, which is *not* a good trend for the world 00:30:39 er... practice 00:30:46 heh, you want to put my words to practce? you want to make that cereal? 00:30:52 and it is a good idea for the world, dammit! 00:30:55 Homer: Damn straight 00:31:04 i wanna be special! being in playboy twice is not good enough 00:31:15 I want people to piss themselves when they open up their little bag of cereal 00:31:19 hehehehehe 00:31:28 yeah, man. it'd be so cool :) 00:31:31 :-) 00:31:41 can someone fill me in on this? 00:31:49 lemme send you the chat log. 00:31:52 too big to paste here. 00:32:03 k 00:32:26 Morb, mind if I paste little selected bits in here? 00:32:30 sent to a@blo 00:32:35 sure, go ahead. 00:32:50 Heh, first there was j.lo, now it's a@blo 00:32:58 heh. 00:33:25 "you americans are weird" 00:33:49 aha:- 00:33:50 [[[ 00:33:51 >[17:54] see. actually, i wanted to make an all marshmallow cereal. 00:33:51 > 00:33:51 >[17:55] but get this, mycereal.com said my cereal wasn't healthy 00:33:51 >enough and i had to pick some other shit. laughed my ass off. 00:33:52 ]]] 00:33:59 Heh heh: >[17:51] you americans are weird 00:34:11 I was almost on the floor by the time I read that bit 00:34:12 lol 00:34:15 i got the secret mycereal.com code too 00:34:17 heheh 00:34:26 oh yeah? did you ever use it? 00:34:26 secret myceral.com code??? 00:34:35 mycereal.com code that is 00:34:46 [[[ 00:34:46 >[17:56] rotflmao!!!! 00:34:46 >[17:56] heheheh 00:34:46 > 00:34:46 >[17:56] i am laughing my ass off here 00:34:46 >[17:56] oh my ..... 00:34:48 >[17:56] dude, you are fricken' hilarious!! 00:34:50 yeah, they were runnign "beta" tests a while ago and sent out special codes to get into the site. 00:34:50 ]]] 00:35:01 the site seems to be totally closed down now. 00:35:09 doh 00:35:18 lol 00:35:25 no, i never did use it, i think 00:35:41 i just playead around, but never ordered anuthing 00:35:50 damn you moviefone.com 00:35:51 I can just imagine Morbus typing in some recipe, and the site going, "fuck you, that'd kill people! What are you trying to do, you sad little fucker?" 00:35:52 !!! 00:35:55 "We are currently refining our website to better meet the needs of our valuable customers. We will be open again soon! " 00:35:57 LOL 00:36:02 rofl 00:36:15 heh 00:36:19 * Morbus chuckles uncontrollably 00:36:28 :-) 00:37:17 this is funnier than pro segway 2 00:37:22 * sbp signs up for notification 00:37:23 lol 00:37:26 !! i'm honored ;) 00:37:28 heh, heh 00:37:45 Morbus, not you. your stuff wasn't funny 00:37:48 i'm taking about sbp! 00:37:49 :-) 00:37:56 oh. oh. i see. fine. sniff. 00:38:03 heh heh heh 00:38:04 snifFFff. 00:38:16 * sbp can barely type, is shaking from giggling 00:38:18 i mean really, who wants to hear about your stupid digestive noises. 00:38:22 oops, did i get the wrong chatlog... 00:38:30 whoa, russian people... 00:38:34 * AaronSw skips that part 00:38:55 i have done no email since i said i was going to do email. sigh. 00:39:41 * AaronSw notes there is no curl XML-RPC implementation. 00:40:43 lol: http://doc.weblogs.com/2001/12/02#buyAppleStock 00:40:46 * sbp plays "Get Up Stand Up", Bob Marley 00:40:52 * Morbus is currently listening to 'Millionaire' on Billy Childish's album 'The Original Chatham Jack'. 00:40:52 !itunes 00:41:02 I thought doc stopped blogging 00:42:02 no, i think he's just blogging less 00:42:42 ahh 00:42:57 I don't read that many blogs anymore. 00:43:17 i read about 60 through a browser, and then 108 various sites in Ampheta. 00:43:20 Although I really like McCusker's, since many times he's actually *writing* 00:43:29 rather than posting random sentences and photos and etc 00:43:45 yeah, mccusker is good 00:44:22 anyone know much about knowledge management? 00:44:31 K LOGS BABY 00:44:32 YEAH!!! 00:44:37 /nick JROBB 00:44:37 lol 00:44:41 uh oh. 00:44:50 um. what happened? 00:44:52 KLOGS WILL MAEK YUOR CMOPANY ROX9OR AHAHAHA ROFFLE!!!1 00:44:55 hehe 00:44:56 ;-) 00:45:01 he heh heh 00:45:02 heheheh. 00:45:09 ok. anyone know about personal km? 00:45:28 Actually when i was coding I'd just make notes on bugs in our bugzilla db 00:45:30 and then search that 00:45:34 Morbus, yeah, a bit 00:45:46 I haven't been writing a ton of code lately so it's been sparse 00:45:50 anyway i'm going to the movies.. ttyl 00:46:01 i know nothing about it, personally. i know the basic explanation of the two word name, but not anything in depth. 00:47:30 there's not a whole lot of depth to it... 00:47:37 why are you interested? 00:47:56 what's the "make tar.gz" command line again? recursive? 00:48:04 i always screw up working with tar. 00:48:09 or creating with tar, rather. 00:48:17 tar acz or somehting 00:48:34 tar -cz dir/ 00:48:50 ack! sent to my terminal. 00:48:52 heh. 00:48:58 silly morbus! 00:49:02 I created a sh file, 'cause I could never remember 00:49:04 well, that was satanic. 00:50:07 well, that's *nix for you 00:50:14 dammit. 00:50:21 oh, hey, stuffit has DropTar. that works. 00:50:31 lazy bum 00:50:35 heh, heh 00:50:35 tar -cz dir/ > filename 00:51:06 yeah, i did that. and it still spit to screen 00:51:26 umm, ok... 00:51:39 yeah, that's what i said. 00:51:41 lemme try again. 00:51:46 liar 00:51:54 tar -zcvf blah.tgz directory 00:51:57 did you do like > /dev/pts/0 ;-) 00:51:58 you goof 00:51:59 s 00:52:03 oh well, now it worked that time. 00:52:06 i hate you all. 00:52:08 cp simpsons.txt /dev/null 00:52:13 lol 00:52:22 that really hosed my machine once 00:52:25 copying something to /dev/null is great 00:52:26 ahaha 00:52:41 well, not my machine 00:52:50 a friend was arguing with me about and i told him i'd bet him 20 bucks that copying a file to /dev/null would break it 00:52:50 oh man 00:52:51 haha 00:52:57 it was somebody's server and they were like, just > to /dev/null. 00:53:00 he copied simpsons.txt over /dev/null 00:53:02 and i was like, that's not righ dude 00:53:09 and he was, sure it is, go on 00:53:32 his machine was so hosed 00:54:01 hopefully, i wont' get disconnected. 00:54:03 * sbp tries it 00:54:10 with my usb modem, if i upload a lot (or send, really) of data, i get disconnected. 00:54:17 Hmm 00:54:19 on my serial modem, it doesn't happen. very weird. 00:54:24 Morbus sure has a weird set of wishlist items. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/wishlist/25USVJDH68554/102-6222478-8304915 00:54:31 "missing destination file", kick-ass 00:54:45 thats why half the time i open up the webserver for everyone, i get disconnected. 00:54:54 why? it's not so weird. 00:55:03 i have to admit, amazon has a wonderful recommendation system. 00:55:08 yeah it does 00:55:11 it has a lot of data, tho 00:55:14 i'm very impressed by it. 00:55:14 seriously. 00:55:23 the recommendations for ginger are hilarious, tho 00:55:32 to make the rec's, yeah. 00:55:41 heheheh.. yah :) 00:55:53 Morbus! 00:55:58 cdnow has a so so system - it explores more "crap i've never heard of" than amazon does. 00:56:07 most of amazon's rec's are "yeah, right on!". 00:56:16 what! 00:56:16 am i talking too much? 00:56:26 no, you must have put those recommendations there 00:56:32 now it all makes sense 00:56:35 mmkay. i'll hush up. cos i've been scolded. 00:56:43 i didn't scold you, silly 00:56:53 uh. 00:56:56 you've got a vivid imagination 00:57:20 i do, indeed :) 00:57:21 ok, gotta run --- dinner 00:57:36 deus_x (~deusx@nic-34-c48-22.mw.mediaone.net) has joined #swhack 00:57:38 ever read my morgue rats? 00:57:38 .google morbus morgue rats 00:57:40 morbus morgue rats: http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/morgue_rats.shtml 00:58:04 .google morbus when things die 00:58:05 morbus when things die: http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/when_things_die.shtml 01:02:37 Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:03:01 "Morbus is a prolific writer who enjoys many things... [...] This makes him depressed." - http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/ 01:03:12 it's great taking things out of context 01:04:57 http://www.disobey.com/collected/morbus_iff/woe_betides_her.shtml 01:05:13 Laika was the name of the first dog (first animal, in fact) in space. AFAIK 01:05:24 .google Laika first animal in space 01:05:25 Laika first animal in space: http://www.space.com/news/laika_anniversary_991103.html 01:10:14 Poor little Laika 01:12:52 Morbus (~Morbus@s108.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:13:30 hah! i knew i'd get disconnected 01:13:55 :-) 01:14:04 check the logs 01:14:12 logster, where am i 01:14:12 I'm logging. I don't understand 'where am i', Morbus. Try /msg logster help 01:14:14 logster, where am i? 01:14:14 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-05#T01-14-14 01:16:05 Grpgprmgprmgprmgh, where is Aaron? 01:17:21 yes, laika was :) 01:17:43 i shall now attempt to answer another email! whoo! 01:18:11 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!~sean@m166-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com))) 01:18:27 sbp (~sean@m166-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:20:21 * sbp checks logs himself... 01:20:33 another email? Brave person 01:22:02 Morbus has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 01:22:34