IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-28

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:00 [Morbus]
bout 70%
00:00:37 [Morbus]
done
00:01:19 [Morbus]
imported the mail fine
00:02:00 [Morbus]
same with address book
00:02:12 [Morbus]
lol. and my filters.whoo
00:02:31 [AaronSw]
cool
00:02:39 [AaronSw]
i wish it worked that well for me
00:02:45 [Morbus]
sheesh.
00:03:04 [Morbus]
to make me see the full name of the folder, i have to drag the folders frame out an awful lot.
00:03:32 [Morbus]
it didn'twork for you?
00:03:46 [AaronSw]
no, their mail.app support is in a sucky applescript
00:04:04 [Morbus]
wish the move to menu showed all known folders in a drop down :(
00:04:13 [AaronSw]
umm, it does
00:04:18 [AaronSw]
click the triangle part
00:04:34 [AaronSw]
and you can make the big icons on the left smaller in the prefs
00:04:35 [Morbus]
doesn'tfor me.
00:04:42 [Morbus]
just shows "move to folder" which you click on.
00:04:43 [AaronSw]
what does it show?
00:05:27 [AaronSw]
Yeah, click on that and you can set the folders you want in the menu
00:05:43 [AaronSw]
each time you move to a folder it gets added to the list
00:07:08 [Morbus]
ah. i see.
00:07:31 [Morbus]
woa. i justcrashed it.
00:07:38 [Morbus]
tried to set list font from verdana to mishawaka
00:08:06 [Morbus]
Mac OS X Version 10.1.1 (Build 5M28)
00:08:06 [Morbus]
unrecognized packet: 0 recieved
00:08:06 [Morbus]
unrecognized packet: 0 recieved
00:08:06 [Morbus]
learn how to spell!
00:08:06 [Morbus]
aaah!
00:08:10 [Morbus]
you can't use classic fonts.
00:08:14 [Morbus]
i see nothin! nothing!
00:10:42 [AaronSw]
geg
00:10:45 [AaronSw]
err heh
00:19:01 [Morbus]
i wish the verdana font showed a bit bette. all crynched
00:19:17 [Morbus]
wow, this mail view thing is nice.
00:20:12 [Morbus]
man, even a monospaced makes ugly crunching
00:20:27 [Morbus]
but only in th list vist. the message itself is fine.
00:21:30 [AaronSw]
yeah, the list condenses to get more data on
00:21:48 [Morbus]
i hate that.
00:21:54 [Morbus]
i like threaded view though
00:22:18 [AaronSw]
shoot, i put all my rules in POP instead of IMAP
00:23:00 [Morbus]
i wish subfolders wouldn't indent so much.
00:23:54 [AaronSw]
yeah, me too
00:24:27 [Morbus]
cos otherwise, i see truncated. but to make it large enough, i see little in the list view. bah. conundrun!
00:24:27 [Morbus]
;)
00:25:12 [Morbus]
ooh. you can add prefixes to mailign lists yourself.
00:25:13 [AaronSw]
get a bigger monitor?
00:25:22 [AaronSw]
prefixes? really? cool...
00:25:28 [Morbus]
yeah. :)
00:25:35 [AaronSw]
how?
00:25:36 [Morbus]
welp, for pop. not imap
00:25:50 [Morbus]
tools > mailing list managaer > new
00:26:07 [AaronSw]
ah, plurgle
00:26:08 [Morbus]
> advanced, 2nd chckox
00:26:26 [AaronSw]
it's also in the rules
00:27:58 [Morbus]
hmf. i'll have to try this for a bit.
00:29:12 [Morbus]
does pretty well on large folders of mail.
00:29:37 [Morbus]
hey check your amil ;)
00:30:10 [Morbus]
huh.
00:30:21 [Morbus]
you werent' in my addy book, but it made it seem like you were cos i had gotten some mail from you
00:31:05 [AaronSw]
cool
00:31:17 [Morbus]
what font are you using?
00:31:36 [AaronSw]
the default for now
00:33:04 [Morbus]
hmm. no bcc on a new mail
00:33:13 [Morbus]
oop. nevermind
00:34:04 [Morbus]
inline signatures. nice.
00:34:56 [Morbus]
hey. it has a dictionary. you said that, right?
00:34:59 [Morbus]
i just found it. neato.
00:35:02 [sbp]
have you emailed anything yet?
00:35:13 [AaronSw]
Yeah, he emailed me.
00:35:19 [AaronSw]
I just replied including him as an attachment.
00:35:38 [sbp]
you can send people by email with this new thing? wow!
00:35:52 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's awesome.
00:36:28 [Morbus]
ooh!
00:36:30 [sbp]
so you *can* identify people with HTTP then?
00:36:34 [Morbus]
it autolinks an item to your original message in your sent items
00:36:57 [Morbus]
ack!
00:37:00 [Morbus]
there's my picture!
00:37:01 [Morbus]
<g>
00:37:09 [sbp]
I'm so kinda worried about URI-view vs. URI
00:37:21 [AaronSw]
Uh oh, you're worried too now?
00:37:44 [sbp]
well, TimBL seems so adamant
00:37:57 [sbp]
He'll be singing "Prince Charming" soon
00:38:27 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:38:52 [deltab]
AaronSw's using RFC1437
00:39:17 [AaronSw]
It's a very useful RFC.
00:39:22 [Morbus]
blech.
00:39:33 [Morbus]
newsgroups sucks. no auto download of attachments.
00:39:52 [AaronSw]
That's an option, I think.
00:40:34 [Morbus]
just jumped onto a binary group, saw the headers, and no mass download option.
00:40:51 [AaronSw]
i think you need to subscribe or something
00:40:53 [sbp]
heh: Content-description: Dan Quayle, low-res version
00:41:15 [AaronSw]
lol
00:41:18 [Morbus]
did
00:43:42 [AaronSw]
Command-A, Tools -> Receive Entire Message
00:43:57 [Morbus]
does that dl to a outside location?
00:44:10 [Morbus]
most of the time, i select a bunch, and then extract the binaries to the desktop
00:45:35 [AaronSw]
Then do Save Attachments
00:48:05 [Morbus]
ooh/
00:48:14 [Morbus]
bookman old style, 12, looks good for list view.
00:48:17 [Morbus]
little big though
00:48:35 [Morbus]
but good looking
00:52:42 [Morbus]
so does news gothic mt, 12.
00:54:35 [Morbus]
and tahoma12
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01:10:05 [sbp]
who said you could come in here?
01:10:21 [Morbus]
well, i figured out how to stop the font cramming.
01:10:32 [Morbus]
just turned antialiasing on for font size 9 and up.
01:10:40 [sbp]
O.K., carry on
01:16:33 [Morbus]
man, entourage takes a long time to quit
01:18:22 [Morbus]
where'd AaronSw go?
01:22:42 [sbp]
I think he walked to the Moon
01:23:08 [sbp]
heh, you know, it actually wouldn't surprise me
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01:23:41 [sbp]
well, I'm going to do it. RegExps for NTriples!
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01:27:29 [AaronSw]
u;n vacj
01:27:33 [AaronSw]
err i'm back
01:27:42 [AaronSw]
Cool! Looks like I'm going to London for 10 days.
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01:28:20 [AaronSw]
tav, sbp, how far are you guys?
01:28:25 [Morbus]
looks like theres a utility that will convert classic fonts to os x dfonts.
01:28:33 [tav]
hmz
01:28:46 [AaronSw]
sbp, didn't you already write regexps for ntriples
01:28:46 [tav]
where is sbp?
01:28:53 [AaronSw]
more importantly, how far away is deltab?
01:29:02 [deltab]
far enough :-P
01:29:08 [AaronSw]
Grr.
01:30:18 [Morbus]
whine
01:31:41 [sbp]
yeah, but they weren't perfect RegExps. I used a slightly looser syntax, allowing literals-as-subjects, for example
01:31:54 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
01:33:17 [sbp]
When will you be going?
01:33:48 [AaronSw]
Morning of December 25
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01:34:01 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:34:22 [AaronSw]
It's a great time to travel, just have to ignore the Christmas Trees...
01:34:58 [tav]
it's london
01:35:03 [sbp]
Just another day for you, eh?
01:35:11 [tav]
we don't celebrae xmas like you do in the us
01:35:25 [AaronSw]
Yeah, well, an exceptionally noisy and strange day to besure.
01:35:44 [sbp]
speak for yourself, tav
01:37:45 [sbp]
Aaron: A bit of advice; ask to meet the Queen whilst you're in London
01:37:58 [AaronSw]
Oh?
01:38:04 [sbp]
you might get lucky, you never know. Usually, she's not in
01:39:39 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
01:39:50 [sbp]
Hmm... there are a lot more namespaces with "#" bunged on the end of them than without
01:43:25 [sbp]
O.K., so if there was a new Semantic Web developer guy, saying "well, I have a cool idea for a set of terms. What namespace should I use"... well, I know what *you'd* tell him
01:43:51 [AaronSw]
Good.
01:44:09 [AaronSw]
I'm advocating ?s now, actually.
01:44:19 [sbp]
Aw, man
01:44:37 [AaronSw]
Because then it's easier to write schemas.
01:44:40 [GabeW]
?
01:44:48 [AaronSw]
since most servers direct foo.html?bar to foo.html
01:45:23 [sbp]
Aw, maaaaaaan
01:45:53 [AaronSw]
Why?
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01:50:41 [Morbus]
i'mr eally liking this entourage thing.
01:50:43 [Morbus]
even just the email part of it.
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01:52:01 [AaronSw]
Morbus is a convert.
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02:16:23 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. It appears we will be having something of a mass restart in order to resolve some problems. Unfortunately, it appears we can't put it off. Apologies.
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02:25:53 [niven.openprojects.net]
Users on #swhack: logster
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02:26:26 [sbp]
Hi guys
02:26:34 [AaronSw]
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02:26:36 [sbp]
this is quite funny
02:26:40 [sbp]
Hi Aaron
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02:27:28 [AaronSw]
Hi.
02:27:30 [AaronSw]
What happened there?
02:27:46 [sbp]
heh, heh. You don't wanna know
02:28:00 [sbp]
Hmm... I'm on niven now
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02:28:29 [sbp]
which is connected with forward, or so it would seem
02:28:41 [AaronSw]
I seem to be on niven too.
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02:29:21 [sbp]
when it disconnected, I loaded a couple of other clients, and rode different parts of the split :-)
02:30:29 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:30:52 [sbp]
when channels merge, I'll get booted off of one section
02:30:57 [sbp]
er... servers
02:31:12 [sbp]
ah! chumpster has joined me in carter
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* sbp chumps something to prove it
02:32:07 [sbp]
heh, then tav came in, and then I got booted off...
02:32:21 [sbp]
ah, they're on sagan
02:33:11 [sbp]
[[[
02:33:11 [sbp]
*** Now talking in #swhack
02:33:11 [sbp]
<tav> fun
02:33:11 [sbp]
<sbp> yes, isn't it!
02:33:12 [sbp]
]]]
02:33:48 [sbp]
shame it's not like this more often
02:34:18 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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02:35:11 [sbp]
Hi there, guys
02:35:16 [sbp]
what kept you?
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02:37:29 [sbp]
my personal logs are going to be *really* weird
02:37:45 [sbp]
because they all merge together, which is an annoying feature
02:38:36 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
02:39:04 [sbp]
* sbp reviews
02:40:32 [sbp]
heh, yes, they go nuts. Unfortunately, they don't record the particular servers
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02:41:46 [sbp]
sample:-
02:41:58 [sbp]
[[[
02:41:58 [sbp]
<AaronSw> Heh.
02:41:59 [sbp]
*** chumpster has joined #swhack
02:41:59 [sbp]
<sbp> when channels merge, I'll get booted off of one section
02:41:59 [sbp]
<sbp> er... servers
02:41:59 [sbp]
<sbp> ah! chumpster has joined me in carter
02:42:00 [sbp]
<sbp> @ http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/
02:42:02 [sbp]
-chumpster:#swhack- A: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/ from sbp
02:42:04 [sbp]
* sbp chumps something to prove it
02:42:06 [sbp]
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02:42:08 [sbp]
<sbp> A:|The W3C's Semantic Web Homepage
02:42:10 [sbp]
-chumpster:#swhack- titled item A
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02:42:13 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. As near as we can tell, we have managed to purge the problem configuration from all servers. Bug reports have been filed and we'll tiptoe a bit until we have that bug fixed. Thanks.
02:42:14 [sbp]
Session Close: Wed Nov 28 02:33:35 2001
02:42:17 [sbp]
<sbp> heh, then tav came in, and then I got booted off...
02:42:18 [sbp]
]]]
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* sbp waves to Morbus
02:43:47 [Morbus]
disobey, even
02:44:16 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] To recap, something of an emergency was created by a bug in a dynamic configuration line. We restarted all of the servers to avoid having, uh, random restarts until our next software upgrade. Things should be taken care of and we think we can probably avoid problems until the next upgrade. Thanks.
02:44:24 [sbp]
d tit sobe?
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02:45:06 [Morbus]
theres one major thing that bugs me about entourage.
02:45:13 [Morbus]
the mailboxes aren't in a plain text format.
02:45:18 [Morbus]
i can't just run a perl script on them.
02:45:27 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
02:45:35 [AaronSw]
That bugged me too, so I switched to IMAP.
02:45:35 [Morbus]
that bugs me.
02:45:39 [AaronSw]
logster, off
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Users on #swhack: logster tav` Morbus tansaku sbp chumpster tav deltab AaronSw
02:47:31 [AaronSw]
wb
02:48:58 [Morbus]
well, i could run an applescript that could possible export a the mailing lists...
02:49:01 [Morbus]
for perl processing.
02:49:29 [Morbus]
actually, wow you can't even do that.
02:49:34 [Morbus]
there's no flipping mailbox export!
02:49:47 [AaronSw]
It's all about the imap map
02:50:06 [Morbus]
yeah, but i can't use imap.
02:50:13 [AaronSw]
why not?
02:50:42 [Morbus]
i don't have it installed on my mail server
02:51:01 [AaronSw]
so install it mister bigshop ISP guy
02:51:12 [Morbus]
wow. this is a killer for me.
02:51:39 [AaronSw]
what sorts of things do you do with your perl scripts?
02:52:11 [Morbus]
i have this one rule that filters all low bandwidth related changes to a certain mailbox. which is then opened up as a normal text file via perl for processing.
02:52:59 [AaronSw]
Well, you can export with an AppleScript, can't you?
02:53:32 [Morbus]
i dunno how ti
02:53:47 [AaronSw]
apple has some scripts to do it
02:54:01 [Morbus]
via entourage?
02:54:01 [AaronSw]
yeah
02:54:01 [AaronSw]
.google mailbox export entourage
02:54:04 [AaronSw]
.google mailbox export entourage applescript
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02:54:21 [AaronSw]
.google mailbox export entourage applescript
02:54:22 [xena]
mailbox export entourage applescript: http://www.applescriptcentral.com/arc.php?letter=e
02:55:40 [Morbus]
nothing under entouragex. lemme try the old one.
02:56:26 [Morbus]
bah.
02:56:29 [Morbus]
stupid keychain.
02:56:35 [Morbus]
i don't want to type a password each time!
02:56:51 [AaronSw]
Doesn't it store it?
02:57:14 [Morbus]
yeah, bt then i need to type my keychain pw
02:57:33 [AaronSw]
well, if you check email frequently enough, it shouldn't lock...
02:58:02 [Morbus]
i have my email program cronned to check before i wake up in the morning so its all odwnloaded by the time i wake up.
02:58:08 [Morbus]
i can't do that if i have to be awake to type in my password.
02:58:37 [AaronSw]
Oh, you and your silly 'net connection
02:58:42 [AaronSw]
so don't auto-lock your keychain
02:59:03 [Morbus]
how do you stop that?
03:00:18 [AaronSw]
Go into Keychain Access
03:00:19 [AaronSw]
edit -> 'morbus preferences...'
03:02:20 [sbp]
logster, grep fuck
03:02:38 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 94 answers for 'fuck' (showing 0...4)
03:02:39 [logster]
0) 2001-11-28 03:02:20 <sbp> logster, grep fuck
03:02:40 [logster]
1) 2001-11-27 00:23:40 <sbp> * sbp finds it interesting how Aaron avoids saying "fuck" unless quoting
03:02:41 [logster]
2) 2001-11-27 00:19:07 <sbp> I didn't know that #plex could fuck
03:02:42 [logster]
3) 2001-11-27 00:18:52 <tav`> why is sbp not in fucking #plex?
03:02:43 [logster]
4) 2001-11-27 00:05:44 <tansaku> he's got basic single variable handling now, so he can say things like "what do you mean by X" in response to X, but the java regexp is fucked and I can't do some of the more advanced things I wanted, damn.
03:03:00 [sbp]
is it me, or is logster getting slow in its old age?
03:03:08 [AaronSw]
i think it's getting slow
03:04:38 [Morbus]
heh.
03:04:50 [Morbus]
stupid export to message started making 1500 files on my desktop. no <g>
03:05:41 [Morbus]
ok. export to eudora works well.
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03:06:34 [Ash]
fwoosh!
03:06:38 [Morbus]
hey, as you use entourage, lemme know your exploits. i'll be interested to hear your thoughts.
03:06:46 [AaronSw]
Uh oh, Ash has infiltrated our fortress!
03:06:54 [Ash]
* Ash steals the flag
03:07:06 [Morbus]
Enemy Has Our Flag!
03:07:13 [Ash]
* Ash runs and runs
03:07:15 [Morbus]
Incoming!
03:07:20 [AaronSw]
Attack!
03:07:50 [Morbus]
bah!
03:07:59 [Ash]
*** Ash has returned enemy flag to blue base! 1 Point for Blue Team!
03:08:01 [Morbus]
i have to set my view pref for each and every window.
03:08:25 [Morbus]
heh.
03:09:08 [Morbus]
hmm...
03:09:13 [Morbus]
i could set the category to the name of the mailing list.
03:09:25 [Morbus]
and then have all the mailing lists sorted and threaded into one box.
03:09:28 [Morbus]
that may be interesting.
03:09:32 [Morbus]
thoughts on that aaron?
03:09:51 [AaronSw]
Yeah, nthat could be interesting.
03:11:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw coins the term "pulling a kaycee"
03:16:57 [Morbus]
damn, you can't sort by categories, and see threaded lists.
03:17:27 [AaronSw]
but you can filter on categories
03:17:53 [Morbus]
with the mail view thing too.
03:18:08 [AaronSw]
or that
03:19:33 [Morbus]
jeez.
03:19:43 [Morbus]
column views are individualistic, but preview pane isn;t
03:23:59 [Morbus]
man, this is smart, when it comes to "reply to one of your messages" and the various linking.
03:27:20 [tansaku]
hey all
03:27:27 [Morbus]
whoo.
03:27:41 [Morbus]
just made a rule that changes the category of any mail from a sender in my address book.
03:29:37 [tansaku]
AaronSw, or to anyone: does anyone have any experience creating RSS channels in something like Jena?
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03:36:28 [sbp]
Ooh, explorer crashed
03:44:40 [sbp]
who's this Ash character, then?
03:44:55 [Ash]
muahahaha
03:45:01 [Ash]
The Man from A.S.H.
03:45:59 [sbp]
WFM, a few seconds on Google actually didn't help
03:46:57 [sbp]
Pff, what's the point in having many billions of pages of data if none of them are relevant?
03:47:44 [sbp]
oh, man, I'm turning into an information nutter like Aaron...
03:48:25 [sbp]
this can't be good! Where are my "leave old information out to pasture"-esque mottos when I need them?
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03:59:16 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
03:59:23 [AaronSw]
Sorry tansaku, i can't say i have..
03:59:29 [AaronSw]
.google jena rss channel export
03:59:30 [xena]
jena rss channel export: http://ilrt.org/discovery/rdf
04:00:46 [AaronSw]
hmm
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04:37:24 [AaronSw]
hmm, entourage crashed and i didn't do anything
04:37:33 [AaronSw]
I wonder if danbri and gang will be around when i visit
04:43:17 [tansaku]
Hi AaronSw, thanks for the link
04:43:31 [AaronSw]
yeah, that's a pretty comprehensive page
04:43:42 [AaronSw]
oh, no wait
04:43:42 [tansaku]
I've got Jena doing some RSS now, but I think it wasn't really designed for producing RSS
04:43:44 [AaronSw]
i was thinking of:
04:43:48 [AaronSw]
.google rdf resource guide
04:43:49 [xena]
rdf resource guide: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/rdf/resources
04:44:16 [tansaku]
like they have an RSS vocab, but the only example is for parsing RSS and redisplaying in HTML
04:44:23 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
04:44:33 [AaronSw]
You might want to email Brian, he's the author.
04:44:47 [AaronSw]
Does it have a mailing list?
04:45:04 [tansaku]
thanks for the second link
04:45:15 [tansaku]
the JENA web pages at hp seem to be down right now
04:45:54 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
04:46:26 [tansaku]
I mean I think I've got the hang of it - I'll msg you something
04:46:56 [AaronSw]
jena website works for me
04:47:12 [AaronSw]
http://www.hpl.hp.com/semweb/jena-top.html
04:47:18 [tansaku]
hmm maybe it was only down for a short while - I was looking at it an hour ago
04:47:50 [tansaku]
I got a different link off google, searching for a RSS section - maybe an old lin
04:47:54 [tansaku]
lin --> link
04:48:12 [AaronSw]
Hmm
04:48:22 [AaronSw]
yeah, looks like it
04:48:24 [tansaku]
I've searching it for RSS now
04:48:46 [tansaku]
AaronSw: can I show you some XML?
04:48:50 [AaronSw]
sure
04:49:04 [tansaku]
what the hell here it comes
04:49:13 [tansaku]
<rdf:Description rdf:about='#A0'>
04:49:13 [tansaku]
<rdf:type rdf:resource='http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#Seq'/>
04:49:13 [tansaku]
<rdf:_1>http://localhost:8080</rdf:_1>
04:49:13 [tansaku]
<rdf:_2>http://jupiter.lang.osaka-u.ac.jp/~krkvls/lang.html</rdf:_2>
04:49:13 [tansaku]
<rdf:_3>http://java.apache.org/james/index.html</rdf:_3>
04:49:14 [wmf]
AaronSw: so how are you liking office so far?
04:49:14 [tansaku]
<rdf:_4>http://xml.apache.org/soap/index.html</rdf:_4>
04:49:16 [tansaku]
</rdf:Description>
04:49:18 [tansaku]
<rdf:Description rdf:about='http://purl.org/rss/1.0/channel'>
04:49:20 [tansaku]
<rss:link>http://localhost:8080/servlet/com.neurogrid.prime.RDFServlet</rss:link>
04:49:22 [tansaku]
<rss:title>NeuroGrid RSS Output</rss:title>
04:49:24 [tansaku]
<rss:description>Response to NeuroGrid Query{tomcat apache}</rss:description>
04:49:26 [tansaku]
<rss:items rdf:resource='#A0'/>
04:49:28 [tansaku]
</rdf:Description>
04:49:39 [AaronSw]
When did wmf sneak in here!
04:49:41 [AaronSw]
hi wes
04:49:44 [tansaku]
hi wes
04:50:31 [AaronSw]
It's OK... I had to tweak Entourage's interface for a while before i liked it
04:50:40 [tansaku]
ML for Jena: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jena-dev
04:51:40 [tansaku]
anyways, pardon the XML above - it's just that I can't seem to make the rss look like the swhack weblog
04:52:11 [wmf]
I've been here for a while
04:52:16 [tansaku]
I was wondering if you used a specific RSS generating tool - and if anybody knew of one in Java (like I guess you aren't working in Java)
04:52:47 [AaronSw]
tansaku, your containers are referring to the URIs as literals, not resources
04:53:05 [AaronSw]
wmf, what do you think of Office.
04:53:22 [AaronSw]
I convinced Morbus to switch to Entourage from Eudora, I think, but he's bummed that there's no plain-text export.
04:53:33 [wmf]
AaronSw: it seems slow
04:53:46 [AaronSw]
Hmm. It's way faster than Office 2001.
04:53:54 [AaronSw]
It keeps crashing tho.
04:54:07 [wmf]
I have had no crashes
04:54:25 [AaronSw]
I had one "Unexpected Quit" when I wasn't doing anything, and Morbus had one.
04:54:27 [wmf]
e.g. searches seem to be O(N)
04:55:02 [AaronSw]
What kinds of searhes?
04:55:03 [tansaku]
AaronSw: yeah that's what I mean when I say I'm not getting similar to swhack weblog - it's just me trying things in Jena
04:55:04 [AaronSw]
err searches
04:55:19 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
04:55:27 [wmf]
stuff like finding all mail from a certain person
04:55:33 [AaronSw]
Sorry I can't help more, I don't use the Jena interface. All my stuff is in Python
04:55:57 [tansaku]
AaronSw; that's what I thought - so really my question is what Python RSS tools do you use?
04:56:10 [AaronSw]
I use the Orchard module from Ken MacLeod.
04:56:47 [AaronSw]
wmf, searching for from contains 'wes' on 9000 messages takes about 5 seconds. pretty speedy imo
04:56:56 [AaronSw]
4 seconds
04:57:10 [AaronSw]
before it used to grind the computer to a halt, ground on the disk forever, and make everything slow
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04:57:21 [AaronSw]
orchard.sf.net
04:57:33 [AaronSw]
I don't think they have a Java binding, but they support Python and Perl...
04:57:51 [AaronSw]
and C
04:58:14 [tansaku]
AaronSw: thanks dude
04:58:36 [tansaku]
I don't suppose anyone else here has ever tried to produce RSS with Java?
04:58:37 [AaronSw]
Ken hangs out here sometimes, and I wrote the RSS 0.9* code for Python.
04:58:53 [AaronSw]
tansaku, you might try asking in #rdfig sometime
04:59:16 [GabeW]
wow, orchard has lots of people I "know".. all in one place
04:59:32 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:59:41 [AaronSw]
The Monkeyfist Collective strikes again.
04:59:48 [GabeW]
yeah, that's it
05:01:14 [AaronSw]
tansaku, i've a list of RSS stuff at http://blogspace.com/rss/tools
05:01:19 [AaronSw]
let's see what we have...
05:01:29 [AaronSw]
Aha.
05:01:37 [tansaku]
cool
05:01:42 [AaronSw]
Apache Jetspeed has some RSS stuff.
05:02:18 [tansaku]
indeed - but looks like it's for reading rather than generating - I'll look closer though
05:02:35 [AaronSw]
wmf, did you see that Paypal has a REST interface ;-)
05:03:37 [wmf]
AaronSw: no, where?
05:03:44 [AaronSw]
i blanubotted it...
05:03:45 [tansaku]
AaronSw: thanks for all the help - I get so many good links through irc - all of them going into NeuroGrid of course
05:04:08 [AaronSw]
Cool. :) glad to see i'm helping the global datasphere
05:04:09 [AaronSw]
;-)
05:04:31 [wmf]
AaronSw: ok
05:04:41 [AaronSw]
Hmm, it's in the not-yet-existing archive
05:04:54 [AaronSw]
Ah, here it is: http://members.chello.se/hampasfirma/paypal_protocol.txt
05:04:54 [wmf]
AaronSw: on ~38K messages I am getting times in the *minute* range
05:05:09 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
05:05:17 [AaronSw]
What lists do you subscribe to?
05:05:19 [GabeW]
huh?
05:05:21 [AaronSw]
Geez.
05:05:46 [GabeW]
neurogrid implementation?
05:05:56 [AaronSw]
neurogrid.com
05:07:01 [wmf]
AaronSw: e, frontier-osx, jxta-discuss, jxta-dev, the HTP firehose, mojonation, mojo, musicbrainz, P2P cabal, ORP, decent, p2p-hackers, bluesky, weblogs
05:07:12 [wmf]
maybe some others that I forgot
05:07:26 [GabeW]
yeah, I know at least one other wmf is on
05:07:33 [wmf]
s/mojo/mono/
05:07:40 [AaronSw]
Don't you put them in separate mailboxes?
05:08:06 [GabeW]
wes - do you have a job or a life outside of reading email and hanging out on IRC?
05:08:11 [wmf]
AaronSw: of course, but it doesn't matter when I search all my mail
05:08:13 [AaronSw]
lol
05:08:21 [AaronSw]
(to gabew)
05:08:27 [wmf]
GabeW: yes - http://felter.org/wesley/
05:08:31 [AaronSw]
wmf goes to conferences!
05:08:36 [AaronSw]
that counts, right?
05:09:03 [GabeW]
uh, I guess
05:09:07 [AaronSw]
he creates powerpoint presentations for The Man
05:09:09 [wmf]
I am actually on IRC much less than most of these work-at-home types around here
05:09:15 [GabeW]
I create powerpoints too
05:09:20 [GabeW]
is that what we are here?
05:09:28 [wmf]
:-)
05:09:34 [GabeW]
* GabeW does in fact work from home
05:09:48 [GabeW]
what do you do at work, wmf?
05:09:54 [AaronSw]
A year or so ago we'd be live-at-work types.
05:10:02 [GabeW]
rotfl
05:10:16 [GabeW]
we're office expats
05:10:27 [wmf]
GabeW: systems software research
05:10:34 [GabeW]
"research"?
05:10:39 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gets out wmf's business card
05:10:59 [wmf]
yeah, like thinking up ideas, running experiments, writing papers, etc.
05:11:01 [AaronSw]
Hmm, doesn't give him a job description or title.
05:11:22 [GabeW]
that sounds interesting, wmf
05:11:24 [AaronSw]
He works in top secret Bldg. 904/6B018
05:11:33 [wmf]
uh oh
05:11:34 [AaronSw]
Do they number buildings in hex or something?
05:11:41 [GabeW]
is it interesting work?
05:11:46 [AaronSw]
They must have a lot of buildings...
05:11:51 [wmf]
904 looks like decimal to me
05:12:09 [wmf]
floor 6, aisle B, cube 18
05:12:18 [AaronSw]
You have aisles? lol
05:12:46 [wmf]
I guess that's the same as a hallway
05:13:20 [AaronSw]
I dunno, just seems sort of funny to be specified to such precision.
05:13:45 [GabeW]
x/y coordinates!
05:14:25 [GabeW]
I don't understand orchard
05:15:17 [AaronSw]
which part?
05:15:27 [GabeW]
um, what it is...
05:15:51 [AaronSw]
It's an object interface for file formats.
05:16:06 [AaronSw]
that's available in many different programming languages
05:16:08 [GabeW]
oh - I would have no way of knowing that from the front page
05:16:41 [AaronSw]
Really?
05:17:08 [AaronSw]
"""
05:17:09 [AaronSw]
Orchard is a data manipulation framework centered around "nodes". Nodes are quite similar to "objects"
05:17:11 [AaronSw]
[...]
05:17:26 [wmf]
IOW, stuff
05:17:41 [AaronSw]
Orchard nodes provide a simple, consistent interface [for] data models, or "node sets", including, as examples, XML, RSS, SVG, MP3, MPEG, CDDB, etc.,
05:17:42 [AaronSw]
"""
05:18:16 [AaronSw]
giving people access to stuff
05:18:30 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that describes a lot of projects.
05:18:54 [GabeW]
uh, yeah.. exactly
05:19:15 [GabeW]
I click on documentation and get a "broken link"
05:19:52 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
05:20:12 [AaronSw]
Oh, ick. Casbah folks deleted his website!
05:20:16 [AaronSw]
ick, ick, ick
05:20:39 [AaronSw]
hmm, maybe not casbah folks -- maybe it was some freak disk accident or something
05:21:13 [GabeW]
I was slightly involved in Casbah a long time ago
05:21:42 [AaronSw]
wmf was in it too, i hear
05:21:45 [AaronSw]
I'm on the mailing list
05:21:53 [AaronSw]
so saying "casbah folks" gives me a lot of leeway ;)
05:21:58 [GabeW]
that's mostly how I know kendall, ken, and tangentially bijan
05:22:04 [wmf]
yeah, I was in Casbah
05:22:09 [GabeW]
and "know" only in the loosest sense
05:22:14 [wmf]
I learned a lot about open source project mismanagement
05:22:22 [GabeW]
I wasn't going to say anything..
05:22:28 [AaronSw]
wmf, share your secrets
05:22:37 [AaronSw]
I need to know this for my projects.
05:22:55 [GabeW]
this channel is logged...
05:23:38 [wmf]
I am not afraid to speak publicly about Casbah, because I don't blame anyone in particular for its troubles
05:23:48 [GabeW]
oh that's fine then
05:24:39 [wmf]
although I don't have time to share right now
05:25:28 [AaronSw]
Hmmph. You never have time to tell this story it seems.
05:25:39 [AaronSw]
maybe do a powerpoint presentation for us?
05:26:49 [wmf]
* wmf glares at AaronSw
05:27:02 [AaronSw]
give us the bullet points?
05:27:24 [AaronSw]
Did you hear about the lady who did a PowerPoint presentation to explain to her children why she wasn't raising their allowance?
05:27:36 [AaronSw]
(It was in the New Yorker article on PowerPoint.)
05:28:06 [sbp]
heh, heh!
05:28:27 [AaronSw]
The children ran off in tears.
05:28:43 [wmf]
damn, SonyStyle is broken
05:29:21 [AaronSw]
Wow, Brad Hutchings really thinks an RDBMS will make things simpler for his Mom?
05:29:33 [AaronSw]
I can tell you that getting an RDBMS destroyed my life.
05:29:37 [tav]
wtf?
05:29:39 [wmf]
heh
05:29:39 [AaronSw]
They're so fussy.
05:29:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes off to unwedge Oracle again ;-)
05:30:04 [GabeW]
* GabeW lives 2 miles from Oracle HQ
05:30:14 [GabeW]
* GabeW lives less than 2 miles from Oracle HQ
05:30:29 [AaronSw]
I hear its pretty.
05:30:54 [AaronSw]
What's with the girl on the Jrockit pages?
05:31:01 [GabeW]
its a nice area - a little "truman show"
05:31:07 [AaronSw]
Heh.
05:31:12 [AaronSw]
Is that girl the Javaimster?
05:31:32 [wmf]
obviously she's the JRockit girt
05:31:32 [AaronSw]
The Oriental-themed Truman Show?
05:31:43 [GabeW]
if larry had his way, maybe
05:31:50 [AaronSw]
Why is her name flicka?
05:32:14 [wmf]
JRockit is from Scandinavia somewhere
05:33:01 [tav]
* tav is intrigued with wmf's opinion about casbah
05:33:10 [wmf]
why?
05:33:18 [tav]
you refer to it often
05:33:24 [wmf]
not really
05:33:40 [AaronSw]
relatively often
05:33:43 [tav]
5 times to my recollection
05:33:45 [GabeW]
I'm interested because I had a close encounter of the casbah kind
05:33:52 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
05:34:16 [AaronSw]
I only get silence from Casbah folks about Casbah.
05:34:53 [GabeW]
I honestly don't remember a lot of what went on - I just stopped participating because I felt like I didn't really get the vision (or maybe that I didn't buy it or something)
05:36:03 [AaronSw]
wmf seemed to indicate that the vision wasn't really ever explained clearly
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05:39:03 [GabeW]
hey, is there any public neurogrid instances? Or am I not getting the concept?
05:39:46 [wmf]
GabeW: I didn't understand the vision, and I was one of the core project members
05:40:23 [tav]
hmz
05:40:32 [tav]
tell me you understand my vision, AaronSw
05:40:47 [AaronSw]
I saw a neurogrid demo on the site somewhere
05:40:54 [tav]
s/my/espian
05:41:07 [AaronSw]
tav, i understand a vision, but i don't know that it's the "espian vision"
05:41:29 [tav]
which vision is that?
05:42:34 [AaronSw]
i'm not sure of a concise way to express it over IRC.
05:42:48 [AaronSw]
anwyay, the point stands: your vision isn't well-define
05:42:50 [AaronSw]
err defined
05:44:12 [tav]
hmz
05:44:26 [tav]
i'll explain it to you on the way to norway
05:44:37 [wmf]
Norway?
05:45:33 [tav]
the espians are taking over norway
05:45:50 [tav]
i started talking to their monarch, and the guy gave over after a few hours
05:45:55 [AaronSw]
lol
05:46:11 [wmf]
tav: you can have it
05:46:25 [tav]
lots of oil and beautiful women
05:46:31 [oierw`]
tav: too much civilization....
05:46:49 [wmf]
geez, another .smi.sit.bin
05:47:02 [tav]
i reckon the vikings just took the best looking women from all over europe
05:47:18 [wmf]
hmm, you do have a point about the women
05:47:32 [tav]
is that a mac thing?
05:47:40 [wmf]
yeah
05:47:49 [tav]
smi? sit?
05:48:17 [wmf]
heh, it's making me agree to the MPL
05:49:01 [GabeW]
* GabeW found the neurogrid prototype (finally)
05:49:15 [wmf]
smi = self-mounting disk image
05:49:22 [AaronSw]
sit = stuffit compressed file
05:49:24 [wmf]
sit = StuffIt archive
05:49:44 [GabeW]
bin = binary
05:49:51 [wmf]
bin = MacBinary
05:50:08 [wmf]
all three of those are mostly redundant
05:50:12 [tav]
didn't ask about that, but thanks
05:51:08 [tav]
hmz, read some article recently about how how apple didn't use a consistent packaging mechanism
05:51:20 [wmf]
that's an understatement
05:51:55 [wmf]
Sony is offering free overnight shipping; someone needs to tell them this isn't 1999
05:52:18 [tav]
amazon is offering free shipping too i believe
05:52:22 [tav]
xmas...
05:54:32 [wmf]
I guess I'm going to have to slack and order my stereo at work
05:55:33 [tav]
sony stereo
05:55:34 [tav]
hmz
05:55:52 [tav]
i love sony, but perhaps not their stereos
06:00:28 [wmf]
ice age comin, ice age comin
06:02:30 [tav]
hmz
06:02:36 [tav]
some of these new ones look pretty nice
06:02:42 [tav]
which one you getting wes?
06:02:58 [wmf]
the top DVD Dream system
06:03:24 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders where wmf's sudden cash came from
06:03:35 [wmf]
work
06:03:43 [AaronSw]
Hmm. a sports car, a new phone, a dvd dream system
06:03:59 [tav]
quite nice
06:04:00 [AaronSw]
wmf may be the most sucessful p2p guy out there
06:04:10 [AaronSw]
And they said being a pundit wouldn't pay off
06:04:23 [tav]
heh
06:04:23 [wmf]
I'm being paid a pre-recession salary but living like a college student
06:04:31 [GabeW]
punditing is fun
06:05:01 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw knows a lot of people who wouldn't mind a pre-recession salary ;)
06:05:03 [GabeW]
getting paid pre-recession salary is fun
06:05:31 [GabeW]
specially if you continue getting paid that through until the end of this recession (which may not be too too long away)
06:05:45 [AaronSw]
GabeW is quite the optimist.
06:05:58 [GabeW]
I am actually
06:06:06 [GabeW]
about the economy
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06:08:49 [GabeW]
most people were way too optimistic before the "recession" and now they are way too pessimistic
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06:29:12 [AaronSw]
powerpoint in your dock?!
06:29:22 [AaronSw]
wmf's reputation falls further
06:29:31 [AaronSw]
what's the blue globey thing?
06:29:45 [wmf]
AaronSw: what's it this time?
06:29:58 [wmf]
OmniWeb 4.1
06:30:12 [AaronSw]
They changed the icon to that?
06:30:15 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
06:30:24 [wmf]
Aquafied
06:30:36 [AaronSw]
No OMNI in big letters.
06:32:49 [AaronSw]
Robb sure is quick.
06:35:31 [AaronSw]
Wow, this is a very cool license preamble:
06:35:31 [AaronSw]
"""
06:35:33 [AaronSw]
The document that follows this paragraph is a license agreement. Why do we need such a thing? Well, to be perfectly honest, our lawyers have told us that we need to protect ourselves. We at The Omni Group pride ourselves on our low-key style, but the global nature of the Web means that one lawsuit from one user in a far-flung jurisdiction could put us out of business. It also means that, without this agreement, we might not have protection from peopl
06:35:35 [AaronSw]
r entire company on such possibilities, however unlikely, because we like doing what we do and want to continue to be able to do it. And, so, we require you to read and agree to this license. We think you will find it quite reasonable. Obviously, if you disagree, click "Disagree." But, don't just stop there. Let us know. Send some e-mail to <info@omnigroup.com> telling us what you find unacceptable about our license agreement. We can't promise to
06:35:38 [AaronSw]
to you.
06:35:40 [AaronSw]
"""
06:36:46 [wmf]
Omni is With The Program
06:37:35 [AaronSw]
I just downloaded the new version of OmniWeb from their and I don't get that icon.
06:37:40 [wmf]
OK, I really need to go to bed now
06:37:46 [wmf]
AaronSw: what version?
06:37:46 [AaronSw]
Oh, hmm, i got 4.0.5
06:38:04 [AaronSw]
you using sneakypeek?
06:38:15 [wmf]
it's sneakyriffic
06:38:35 [AaronSw]
i should probably go to bed too
06:39:03 [wmf]
do you know how to get apps to not bounce in the dock when they have some notification?
06:39:12 [AaronSw]
No, i wish i did...
06:39:22 [AaronSw]
i turned that "feature" off on entourage quickly ;)
06:39:46 [wmf]
yes, it is driving me CRAZY bouncing every minute
06:39:56 [AaronSw]
what's bouncing?
06:40:00 [wmf]
Entourage
06:40:07 [AaronSw]
oh, you can turn that off in the preferences
06:40:09 [wmf]
hopefully I've got it turned off now
06:40:25 [AaronSw]
General Prefernces -> Notification -> Animate Icon
06:41:29 [wmf]
hmm, I don't really get Brad's response
06:41:38 [wmf]
no time to think about it now!
06:41:43 [wmf]
later
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nite
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i don't think i'm gonna be using entourage
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14:52:05 [AaronSw]
why not?
14:52:16 [Morbus]
i dunno. i keep flipflopping back and forth.
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its driving me nuts.
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can't talk now though.
14:52:38 [Morbus]
stopping badtrans on in/out of our server.
15:06:02 [AaronSw]
Why is Morbus sending me Blackjack strategies...
15:13:30 [Morbus]
lol.
15:13:37 [Morbus]
i was testing out the "schedule an event" thing.
15:13:53 [Morbus]
apparently, if you osend an event to someone, they can say they're going to attend, and it'll automatically be reflected in your calendar.
15:14:11 [Morbus]
oh yeah, i just got it back with "declined".
15:14:26 [Morbus]
so i bet when i get that in entourage tonight... yeah, that's neat. huh.
15:15:01 [Morbus]
hey, can you do me a favor and infect yourself with badtrans, so i can see if my server will block you? <g>
15:33:43 [Morbus]
ok. back. calm. coffee. whoo.
15:33:55 [Morbus]
i think, the main thing, AaronSw, that will stop me from using Entourage is its database.
15:34:06 [Morbus]
it's a single file - all rules, messages, contacts, etc., all live in one place.
15:34:23 [Morbus]
that's not cool. email is mission critical for me. i can't afford to corrupt that one file.
15:34:45 [Morbus]
daily backups, you shout, sure. but i get about 1000 emails a day, a good 300 of which are keepable. i cant lose 300 messages.
15:51:26 [Morbus]
http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06139
15:51:31 [Morbus]
applicable for entourage x
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ooh: mccaffrey.openprojects.net [...] This server was cobbled together Mon Nov 19 08:34:08 UTC 2001
18:21:16 [Morbus]
heh.
18:49:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
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18:52:17 [AaronSw]
install IMAP, I shout
18:52:24 [AaronSw]
how do you coordinate between work and home now?
18:52:29 [AaronSw]
it must drive you insane
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19:12:59 [Morbus]
work and home? whatdya mean?
19:13:04 [Morbus]
at work, all my stuff gets sent to info@.
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and it remains there.
19:13:54 [Morbus]
i check my morbus box, remove from server all mlist stuff, and keep everything on the server for me to come home too.
19:14:21 [Morbus]
stuff i reply to is automatically forwarded to myself too, so i keep copies.
19:16:00 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
19:16:07 [AaronSw]
Sounds like a pain.
19:16:39 [AaronSw]
Just using IMAP would be much simpler.
19:18:14 [Morbus]
nope. never gonna use imap.
19:18:31 [AaronSw]
Seesh, why not?
19:18:57 [Morbus]
cos, its strictly pop3 here. if i install anything on the isp's server, its gotta have some rationale for the rest of the customer base.
19:19:08 [Morbus]
our customer base doesn't even know what a pop3 server, much less an incoming mail server.
19:19:20 [Morbus]
it'd be an install on a business server for just me. that's stupid.
19:19:28 [AaronSw]
Oh, your mail is on the same thing as the customers?
19:19:32 [Morbus]
nope.
19:19:41 [Morbus]
my mail is on the same thing as the static ip'd webserver
19:19:57 [Morbus]
there are a few other mail users over there - mostly people who don't understand ftp was meant for attachments, not email.
19:20:08 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
19:20:08 [AaronSw]
Whose webserver?
19:20:11 [Morbus]
and installing imap on the webserver would be insanely counter purpose.
19:20:29 [Morbus]
my webserver.
19:20:39 [Morbus]
well, technically "the webserver i built for total net".
19:20:56 [Morbus]
er, rather, "the webserver i configured, that has other web sites on it besides my own".
19:21:02 [Morbus]
er, no, wait, wait, <g>...
19:21:35 [Morbus]
"the webserver i configured, for web hosting customers that get about 2 hits a week, who don't know what cgi is, and think frontpage is how you make a site".
19:21:41 [Morbus]
no, no, that's still not it.
19:21:46 [Morbus]
ah twell.
19:21:55 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
19:22:03 [AaronSw]
So why can't you install it on there again?
19:27:29 [Morbus]
because it'd only be for me. i can't justify putting something on the server for me alone.
19:27:40 [Morbus]
plus, it makes my "get up and go" mentality fail horrifically.
19:27:47 [AaronSw]
But you built the server for you alone...
19:27:51 [AaronSw]
"get up and go"?
19:28:00 [Morbus]
no, i built the entire server for the webhosters.
19:28:18 [AaronSw]
fine, you want _me_ to give you an IMAP server? ;)
19:28:22 [AaronSw]
mac.com gives them out
19:28:27 [Morbus]
yeah, meaning that if the building crashes and burn, i can move to another server in seconds.
19:28:37 [Morbus]
no, i don't like the idea that the mail is stored on a box besides my own.
19:29:12 [AaronSw]
Don't you have a spare box lying around you can install it on?
19:29:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw remembers you don't run Linux at work. bleech to you
19:29:45 [Morbus]
i run linux on our servers, but my work comp is a dual win/suse machine.
19:33:31 [AaronSw]
If I were you i'd just throw linux on some spare box and put IMAP on it.
19:33:48 [AaronSw]
i mean, you're an ISP, you've got to have spare boxen
19:33:53 [AaronSw]
i've got spare boxen!
19:34:13 [Morbus]
i don't want the mail on any box other than my own.
19:35:08 [Morbus]
yer not gonna convince me to use imap.
19:35:14 [Morbus]
i've looked into it before. i have no desire to use it.
19:35:38 [AaronSw]
Fine, be that way. Don't cry to me when your home computer catches fire and you lose years of email
19:35:53 [Morbus]
that's what offsite backups are for ;)
19:36:06 [Morbus]
i have cds stored at my gf's house.
19:38:39 [AaronSw]
but with IMAP you can do offsite backups automatically.
19:38:48 [AaronSw]
and with Maildir they can be incremental easily
19:38:59 [Morbus]
but at the risk of losing the imap server at some point entirely.
19:39:10 [AaronSw]
Well if you do then you just go back to POP.
19:39:39 [AaronSw]
offsite backups are da bomb
19:39:53 [Morbus]
i'm not going to have one accounts running around with two different protocols.
19:40:05 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gives up
19:40:18 [Morbus]
that's right, you should.
19:40:24 [Morbus]
i;m stubborn, and i know what i want.
19:41:26 [AaronSw]
no, you're just stubborn :)
19:41:30 [Morbus]
:)
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19:43:31 [Morbus]
man, i've had two people jump on and talk about syncasaurus recently.
19:43:35 [Morbus]
aaronland linked to it today.
19:43:46 [AaronSw]
Hmm
19:43:46 [Morbus]
and i just got some foreign guy with a tech suppor tquestion on unworking software.
19:43:48 [Morbus]
this is great.
19:43:50 [Morbus]
;)
19:44:02 [AaronSw]
My alter ego always plugs your stuff.
19:45:39 [Morbus]
always? i've only seen him mention synca, nothing else.
19:46:23 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
19:46:49 [Morbus]
he likes my logo :)
19:47:25 [AaronSw]
Heh, you're in category "anal retentiveness"
19:47:47 [Morbus]
heh :)
19:47:50 [Morbus]
he wnats to help out on synca too.
19:47:58 [AaronSw]
This aaronland dude is too much like me.
19:48:51 [Morbus]
i should ask him about that anal thing.
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20:06:46 [AaronSw]
sbp, are you on semanticweb-southwest?
20:06:59 [sbp]
erm... pardon?
20:07:11 [AaronSw]
the email list for UK semanticwebbers
20:07:17 [sbp]
No, I'm not
20:07:22 [sbp]
@yahoogroups?
20:07:27 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
20:07:39 [AaronSw]
Hmm, you're not exactly in the right region, but I think danbri will let you in.
20:07:53 [AaronSw]
I was trying to decide whether I should email them about my trip.
20:08:04 [AaronSw]
Perhaps I can get a tour of the pretty HP facilities
20:08:20 [sbp]
Ah, Bristol/Bath... I won't bother :-) "The ILRT lot"
20:08:40 [AaronSw]
"The ILRT lot" + Leigh
20:08:41 [AaronSw]
;-)
20:08:47 [sbp]
heh
20:08:50 [AaronSw]
+ HP
20:09:24 [AaronSw]
Maybe you should move to Bristol. ;-)
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20:35:04 [AaronSw]
wb
20:36:36 [sbp]
ty
20:36:53 [AaronSw]
np
20:44:44 [Morbus]
bag.
20:44:48 [Morbus]
bah, even.
20:50:24 [Morbus]
my neck hurts, i'm cranky, and livejournal is down.
20:52:20 [AaronSw]
I just heard my cable modem is going to die on Friday.
20:52:21 [AaronSw]
Aaaaah!!!
20:54:00 [Morbus]
why?
20:54:32 [AaronSw]
they went bankrupt
20:55:11 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
21:01:54 [AaronSw]
shuddup
21:02:22 [Morbus]
http://www.karelia.com/watson/
21:03:07 [Morbus]
two week demo though. yeech.
21:03:56 [AaronSw]
Hmm, looks pretty cool.
21:04:00 [AaronSw]
Oh, costs money?
21:04:04 [Morbus]
yeah :(
21:04:10 [Morbus]
good developer section though
21:04:35 [AaronSw]
Hmm, $30
21:04:49 [Morbus]
getting a lot of emails concerning syncasaurus.
21:04:55 [Morbus]
too bad i haven't worked on it for like two weeks.
21:04:59 [Morbus]
too damn busy
21:06:03 [Morbus]
as soon as i get home, i'm uninstalling entourage. whoo.
21:09:43 [AaronSw]
heh
21:12:53 [Morbus]
i'm not even gonna open it up. i don't want to be entraced with a new feature ;)
21:14:56 [AaronSw]
so tempting, eh?
21:15:01 [AaronSw]
what about the cool contacts thing?
21:15:05 [Morbus]
shuddup <G>
21:15:12 [AaronSw]
It lets you respond: accept, decline, accept tentatively
21:15:14 [Morbus]
everything it can do, individual programs i have do i tbetter.
21:15:19 [AaronSw]
and can pencil it in on your calendar
21:15:41 [AaronSw]
individual programs can only do it if they communicate in harmony, which they never do
21:16:02 [Morbus]
well, integration is nice within entourage, but individually, the pieces aren't so good.
21:16:08 [Morbus]
the newsgroup thing sucks.
21:16:27 [Morbus]
i never talk to anyone about calendars, its my own personal reference only, so no integration is needed there.
21:16:45 [Morbus]
the note thing can't be organized into a hierarchy like an outliner.
21:17:07 [Morbus]
and the tasks thing is close to slacker, but again, i need no integration with otherpeople.
21:17:12 [AaronSw]
I don't understasnd your problems with the newsgroups.
21:17:17 [Morbus]
lately, i don't have deadlines, cos my schedule is so up in the air.
21:17:27 [AaronSw]
it's a much better interface than slacker imo
21:17:28 [Morbus]
you don't understand any of me. just think imap, and then plan to shoot me.
21:17:32 [Morbus]
;)
21:18:03 [Morbus]
funnily enough, since i wasn't using the time based things in slacker, i went back to using an old excel sheet.
21:18:12 [AaronSw]
heh
21:18:13 [Morbus]
did i show you the madness i follow through when it comes to todo/schedules?
21:18:23 [Morbus]
that joelonsoftware link?
21:18:34 [AaronSw]
Don't think so
21:18:57 [Morbus]
lemme get it. its focused on software projects, but works for almost anything.
21:19:19 [Morbus]
http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000245.html
21:20:10 [AaronSw]
oh, that
21:21:37 [Morbus]
jeez, i can almost see the sneer from here.
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21:23:03 [Morbus]
AaronSw, in python, is there any sort of documentation standard? like pod in perl?
21:23:28 [AaronSw]
Yeah, there are some docstring specs, and more being developed.
21:23:41 [AaronSw]
Is POD generated from the code or a separate file?
21:23:41 [sbp]
http://www.python.org/doc/current/
21:23:48 [Morbus]
ok. does it automatically allow conversion to other formats? like pod2html, and so forth?
21:23:58 [sbp]
oh, heh, sound of me smacking myself
21:24:02 [Morbus]
can be both. you can have pod and perl in the same file, basically commenting your code and writing pod docs at the same time.
21:24:13 [Morbus]
then you can pod2html or pdf or whatever when youre all done, and it'll ignore the code sections.
21:24:36 [sbp]
perhaps http://www.python.org/doc/current/doc/doc.html is more relevant
21:24:47 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it comes with pydoc, which exports to manpages, html, starts a webserver, etc.
21:25:24 [Morbus]
thanks, sbp
21:25:50 [sbp]
np
21:26:00 [AaronSw]
that's more for big stuff like the tutorial or manual then individual programs/modules.
21:26:42 [AaronSw]
ok, i have to take a break.
21:30:12 [Morbus]
good: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/January2001/article182.shtml
21:30:17 [Morbus]
six articles.
21:30:22 [Morbus]
index here: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November2001/article203.shtml
21:30:27 [Morbus]
that bugs the hell outta me.
21:30:35 [Morbus]
i gotta save the last article to find out where the other 5 are. bah.
21:42:54 [Morbus]
seen this? http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html
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hi
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22:39:32 [AaronSw]
ugh, epinions is sending me spam
22:40:55 [AaronSw]
I'm pretty sure ads for new movies doesn't count as "occasional information about Epinions.com in the future."
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hi sbp
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Hi there
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* sbp waves
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:)
23:19:55 [Morbus]
kitty!
23:20:57 [Morbus]
.google entourage applescript
23:20:57 [xena]
entourage applescript: http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/office/2001/entourage/t_applescript_ref.asp
23:21:05 [Morbus]
.google entourage applescript export eudora
23:21:06 [xena]
entourage applescript export eudora: http://www.applescriptcentral.com/arc.php
23:25:10 [AaronSw]
kitty!
23:26:08 [AaronSw]
Morbus, if you were using IMAP right now, exporting to Eudora wouldn't be an issue. *wink wink*
23:26:19 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Morbus, you could even run a local IMAP server on OS X!
23:26:20 [Morbus]
shut up!
23:26:27 [AaronSw]
have it bind to localhost
23:26:35 [AaronSw]
and then you can use whatever client you want.
23:26:51 [Morbus]
hey, you know c at all?
23:26:57 [AaronSw]
a little
23:27:28 [Morbus]
just playing with the bk2site thing. or about to
23:28:04 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
23:28:26 [Morbus]
.heard about it?
23:28:36 [AaronSw]
nope
23:28:41 [Morbus]
.sf.net
23:28:56 [AaronSw]
yeah, google told me so
23:28:58 [Morbus]
or second item on voidstar
23:29:12 [Morbus]
i just wish it was in a lang i knew ;)
23:29:18 [AaronSw]
Heh heh.
23:29:23 [AaronSw]
It looks like a perl app..
23:29:30 [AaronSw]
or rahter, it should be a perl app
23:29:38 [Morbus]
yeah, it should be.
23:29:42 [Morbus]
i was thinking about making it one.
23:29:46 [Morbus]
but then saw the rest on my plate.
23:30:02 [Morbus]
i dunno if its gonna compile on os x.
23:31:10 [AaronSw]
one way to find out
23:31:19 [AaronSw]
Heh: "The program is beiÜÿ¿–$úûng developed on a RedHat 6.0 Linux system. It is written in C++."
23:31:27 [Morbus]
saw that too.
23:31:32 [Morbus]
:)
23:32:12 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smells cookies
23:34:30 [Morbus]
bah!
23:34:36 [Morbus]
[[[
23:34:37 [Morbus]
[localhost:~/Desktop/bk2site-1.1.7] morbus% make
23:34:37 [Morbus]
c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DCONFIGFILE=\"/etc/bk2site/dot.bk2siterc\" -O2 -c bk2site.C
23:34:37 [Morbus]
In file included from channel.H:16,
23:34:37 [Morbus]
from bk2site.C:55:
23:34:37 [Morbus]
reference.H:25: sstream: No such file or directory
23:34:39 [Morbus]
make: *** [bk2site.o] Error 1
23:34:41 [Morbus]
]]]
23:35:10 [AaronSw]
sstream?
23:35:11 [Morbus]
.google sstream
23:35:12 [xena]
sstream: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/libstdc++/2000-q2/msg00700/sstream
23:35:15 [Morbus]
dunno what that is.
23:35:35 [Morbus]
well, that's what it is.]
23:35:41 [Morbus]
dunno how to apply that though
23:36:59 [Morbus]
hmm.
23:37:07 [Morbus]
from reference.H:
23:37:12 [Morbus]
[localhost:~/Desktop/bk2site-1.1.7] morbus% locate strstream
23:37:20 [Morbus]
usr/include/gcc/darwin/2.95.2/g++/strstream
23:37:27 [Morbus]
usr/include/gcc/darwin/2.95.2/g++/strstream.h
23:37:39 [AaronSw]
Odd.
23:38:01 [Morbus]
i wonder if i take this google result and save it to sstream.h if that will do anything
23:41:18 [AaronSw]
It might.
23:41:27 [Morbus]
well, it hasn't given me that same error.
23:41:32 [Morbus]
its doing something now in the compile.
23:41:35 [Morbus]
just kinda stalled.
23:41:37 [AaronSw]
Ooh.
23:41:52 [Morbus]
hmm.
23:42:01 [Morbus]
it hasn't progressed past the first c++
23:42:39 [Morbus]
1375 cc1plus 97.9% 0:09.35 1 12 107 21.2M+ 3.00M 23.6M+ 88.0M+
23:42:45 [Morbus]
i suppose that's a good thing ;)
23:43:01 [Morbus]
no chattering on the hd, but the process is still going
23:43:36 [Morbus]
damn!
23:43:37 [Morbus]
so cloe.
23:43:45 [Morbus]
still goign, but:
23:43:46 [Morbus]
[[[
23:43:47 [Morbus]
c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -DCONFIGFILE=\"/etc/bk2site/dot.bk2siterc\" -O2 -c reference.C
23:43:47 [Morbus]
reference.C: In function `class string toString(T)':
23:43:47 [Morbus]
reference.C:271: parse error before `;'
23:43:48 [Morbus]
]]]
23:43:55 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
23:44:05 [AaronSw]
might not matter so much.
23:44:08 [Morbus]
maybe it'll still work ;)
23:44:11 [Morbus]
its still compiling.
23:44:14 [Morbus]
some promise.
23:44:18 [Morbus]
i'd be happy if this worked.
23:44:32 [Morbus]
blogging is dead for me. i need something that analyzizes my normal reading and writing patterns and makes a blog for me.
23:44:43 [AaronSw]
Heh.
23:44:51 [Morbus]
i'm too busy reading and writing to spend time for a blog, if that makes any sense
23:45:08 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
23:45:13 [sbp]
it makes perfect nonsense
23:45:21 [Morbus]
make: *** [reference.o] Error 1
23:45:24 [Morbus]
that was the final error. damn
23:46:01 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
23:46:07 [AaronSw]
What came before that?
23:46:19 [Morbus]
that parse error thing i showed ya
23:46:22 [Morbus]
[[[
23:46:24 [Morbus]
* jillzilla bobs off.
23:46:24 [Morbus]
* Morbus jacks off.
23:46:24 [Morbus]
<Morbus> wait. that came out wrong
23:46:25 [Morbus]
]]]
23:47:29 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:48:41 [Morbus]
std::ostringstream buffer;
23:48:43 [Morbus]
that's 271.
23:48:47 [Morbus]
any idea what that means? ;)
23:49:00 [Morbus]
**Converts any built-in type to string */
23:49:09 [Morbus]
that's the comment for the block that line appears in.
23:49:32 [Morbus]
damn,
23:49:40 [Morbus]
so. wanna rewrite this in perl? ;)
23:49:49 [sbp]
Make me
23:49:59 [Morbus]
no, MakeMakr
23:50:04 [Morbus]
no, MakeMaker rather
23:51:08 [Morbus]
maybe if i just comment that line out.
23:51:15 [Morbus]
i mean, it can't be that important, right? ;)
23:51:19 [AaronSw]
lol
23:51:26 [AaronSw]
What's with sbp and "make Me"
23:52:28 [Morbus]
i dunno
23:52:29 [Morbus]
about the rebuild it in perl thing
23:52:34 [Morbus]
he was exerting his dominance in our relationship
23:54:37 [Morbus]
LOL!
23:54:43 [Morbus]
commenting out that line got me further
23:54:44 [Morbus]
<g>
23:54:55 [Morbus]
i'm on the fourth compile line.
23:54:56 [Morbus]
fifth now.
23:54:57 [Morbus]
heh.
23:55:23 [Morbus]
awww
23:55:25 [Morbus]
[[[
23:55:27 [Morbus]
XMLParser.C: In method `void XMLParser::parse(iwebstream &)':
23:55:27 [Morbus]
XMLParser.C:49: parse error before `('
23:55:27 [Morbus]
XMLParser.C:168: confused by earlier errors, bailing out
23:55:27 [Morbus]
make: *** [XMLParser.o] Error 1
23:55:27 [Morbus]
]]]
23:55:55 [Morbus]
yer prolly confuse cos you got some moronic user commenting out lines ;)
23:58:58 [Morbus]
huh.
23:59:07 [Morbus]
i fixed that error on line 49, and it compiled with no errors.
23:59:47 [Morbus]
ooh. make install went fine too.