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def TakeDamage(self, amount = 0, percent = None):
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11:51:56 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Brief rehubbing.
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12:28:09 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We will probably be experiencing routing problems for the next couple of days. We're working on the problem. Thanks.
13:46:39 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you are interested in taking a look at the CVS code on http://sourceforge.net/projects/openprojects/, we invite you to look for problems with the link counting code. As far as I know, we never modified it, and it's dropping link counts by Y line class. A usable patch could help get our routing back in shape a bit quicker. :)
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14:19:20 [carter.openprojects.net]
topic is: Mothers, lock up your sensibilities: Morbus is in town!
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Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw chumpster tav BenSw|asleep oierw` deltab
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* AaronSw reconnects
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14:59:37 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. This is a repeat message for those of you in different timezones. OPN expects some routing issues due to a server problem with bad link counting by Y line class. We hope to have it resolved within a day or so. You can help by taking a look at the CVS, project 'openprojects' on sourceforge. Thanks.
15:12:29 [AaronSw]
Morbus, just that I saw it on Advogato
15:12:51 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Email and IRC-free is the way to be!
15:13:10 [AaronSw]
LOL at TakeDamage, deltab. What's that from?
15:15:08 [AaronSw]
Man, this channel was dead while I was on-break.
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@ http://logicerror.com/linda
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A: Linda from AaronSw
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A:|Notes on Linda
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titled item A
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A::The results of [my Linda log-a-thon a few months back|http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-09-30].
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commented item A
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@ http://freespace.virgin.net/andrew.harrison4/
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B: Microsoft XP adbust in Shoreditch, London from AaronSw
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15:26:56 [Morbus]
whoo!
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Gotta run
15:28:53 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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@ http://www.w3.org/2001/07/allgroupoverview.html
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C: http://www.w3.org/2001/07/allgroupoverview.html from AaronSw
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C:|2002 Technical Plenary and WG Meeting Event
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titled item C
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C::Technically I should be here Mon, Tues and Thurs...
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commented item C
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C::Hmm, not a lot of W3C WGs when you look at it.
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commented item C
15:38:18 [AaronSw]
@ http://logicerror.com/webizingPython
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D: Webizing Python from AaronSw
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D::sbp, deltab, please send comments
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commented item D
15:38:52 [AaronSw]
D::Then I'll send it off to Tim, maybe Python-dev
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commented item D
15:39:48 [Morbus]
do you know the poeple who run sourcefubar?
15:40:10 [AaronSw]
No, not really
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Oh, feel free to comment too, Morbus -- i'm sure you can figure out the Pythonisms
15:40:29 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.time.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/970922/excerpt.how_i_survive.html
15:40:29 [Morbus]
haven't read the new advogato on sf yet, but just want to keep my options open.
15:40:31 [chumpster]
E: HOW I SURVIVED THE UNABOMBER from AaronSw
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E:|David Gelernter: How I Survived The Unabomber
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titled item E
15:40:43 [Morbus]
there's a site on how to enable cvs on osx, but i'd rather have it somewhere else.
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@
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@ http://www.neverending.org/~ftobin/projects/conclave/
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F: Dekan's Solace - Conclave Protocol Design Overview from AaronSw
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F:|Encrypted IRC Plans
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titled item F
15:41:07 [Morbus]
jeez, i dont think i will comment on that. i'm just an "oh!" afterthought. <g>
15:41:17 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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@ http://www.erights.org/
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G: http://www.erights.org/ from AaronSw
15:42:03 [AaronSw]
G::Maybe I was just too tired, but ERights.org didn't seem very informative to me. G::It seemed like they were more concerned about convincing people that capabilities were better than ACLs (which seems obvious to me) than actually discussing some of the interesting possibilities made possible by a distributed computing environment.
15:42:03 [AaronSw]
G::E seems to borrow a lot from Python and Udanax/Xanadu. However, I wish it were written on top of Python instead of Java... Python and E are very close, but I find Python's syntax much easier to follow.
15:42:03 [AaronSw]
G::Man, E-Land sits at the intersection of so many interesting things!
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commented item G
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commented item G
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commented item G
15:42:13 [Morbus]
someones going a little nuts on the chump
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G:|ERights.org: The E Language
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titled item G
15:42:21 [AaronSw]
I've got a day's backlog...
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@ http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html
15:42:26 [Morbus]
ah
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H: E in a Walnut from AaronSw
15:42:35 [AaronSw]
H::The more I read about E, the cooler it seems. I really need to read this.
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commented item H
15:42:41 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.caplet.com/adages.html
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I: MarkM's Adages from AaronSw
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I::"A Computer's Perspective on Moore's Law: Humans are getting more expensive at an exponential rate"
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I::"New ideas aren't valuable unless they reach hungry minds."
15:42:54 [AaronSw]
I::"Learning from History, badly: Apparently, the only thing Americans learned from Prohibition is that it doesn't work to prohibit *alcohol*."
15:42:55 [chumpster]
commented item I
15:42:57 [chumpster]
commented item I
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commented item I
15:43:16 [AaronSw]
I took a day off of IRC and email -- it was awesome.
15:43:24 [Morbus]
why'd you do that?
15:43:33 [Morbus]
last night, i wasted three cdrs, and play thps3.
15:44:03 [Morbus]
and found out that my usb modem was one model number off the compatible one for online play.
15:44:17 [Morbus]
do you have a cdr?
15:44:45 [AaronSw]
CDR as in the drive or media?
15:44:52 [Morbus]
drive.
15:44:53 [AaronSw]
why: because i waste so much time on it.
15:45:00 [AaronSw]
how'd you waste them.
15:45:00 [AaronSw]
?
15:45:07 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I have one, but I'm not sure it works...
15:46:47 [Morbus]
ah. ok.
15:46:59 [AaronSw]
Aaah!
15:47:10 [AaronSw]
big green line down my screen!!
15:47:20 [AaronSw]
Ah, it's gone now...
15:49:47 [AaronSw]
(need to chump http://nestroy.wi-inf.uni-essen.de/rdf/new_interpretation
15:49:47 [AaronSw]
in #rdfig...)
15:51:50 [Morbus]
welp, ok. see, in os x, i use long filenames.;
15:51:59 [Morbus]
which get truncated to that evil filename#4534534.mp3 in classic.
15:52:08 [AaronSw]
yeah, same here -- it sux0rs
15:52:15 [Morbus]
my cdr ONLY works in classic.
15:52:19 [Morbus]
its an old ass 2x scsi.
15:52:23 [Morbus]
so, my thought is:
15:52:31 [AaronSw]
yick
15:52:42 [Morbus]
if I get Toast Titanium for OSX, create the cd image in OS X with the long filenames,
15:52:52 [Morbus]
and then save it and load it into Classic, will it burn the long file names to an ISO?
15:53:14 [Morbus]
in Classic, I can remove those #234532 from the disk image without modifying the file names themselevs
15:54:04 [Morbus]
can you do me a favor and try to get to hopkintonind.org?
15:54:18 [Morbus]
i think this guy's dns is old, cos hes not seeing it, but want to double check
15:56:27 [Morbus]
yeah, its gotta be him.
15:56:33 [Morbus]
all the digix and mae sites are seeing it.
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15:56:58 [AaronSw]
I get thru to http://web.archive.org/web/20011115075701/http://cs.stmarys.ca/~a_ohearn/irby/
15:57:06 [AaronSw]
err hopkintonind.org
15:57:14 [Morbus]
heh.
15:57:17 [AaronSw]
digix?
15:57:37 [Morbus]
digex, rather
15:57:40 [Morbus]
http://nitrous.digex.net/mae/maew-lg.html
15:57:46 [Morbus]
they've a couple others too
15:58:10 [AaronSw]
oh, cool
15:58:25 [Morbus]
wonderful stuff for network /config testing.
15:58:29 [Morbus]
i/ve a list of them if you want em.
15:58:41 [AaronSw]
i'm
15:58:52 [AaronSw]
i'm sure i'll find them on google when i need them :)
15:58:57 [Morbus]
heh
15:59:12 [AaronSw]
@ http://advogato.org/article/378.html
15:59:16 [chumpster]
J: http://advogato.org/article/378.html from AaronSw
15:59:31 [Morbus]
did you do that one yesterday?
15:59:37 [AaronSw]
what one?
15:59:46 [AaronSw]
J:|Advogato's advogato on Chrisp's resignation: chewing up and spitting out our leaders
15:59:46 [Morbus]
that 378 adv.
15:59:47 [chumpster]
titled item J
15:59:54 [Morbus]
ah. guess now.
15:59:56 [Morbus]
not, rather
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J::"It is very easy for this cat to sympathize with Christoph. It is the rule, rather than the exception, to put blood, sweat, and tears into a free software project (not to mention long hours), and get precious little in return."
16:01:10 [chumpster]
commented item J
16:01:46 [AaronSw]
x import random
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NameError: global name 'eval' is not defined
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pah
16:05:54 [AaronSw]
J::Hmm, this is a wild one, but I wonder if Wesley Felter is Advogato the Cat...
16:05:56 [chumpster]
commented item J
16:09:39 [AaronSw]
J::I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I can't get myself to be angry or ignore newbies... I just can't! I sort of understand how others get so upset about things but it doesn't happen to me. Maybe I should get a job in Tech Support.
16:09:41 [chumpster]
commented item J
16:10:31 [Morbus]
J::Maybe you should just get a job.
16:10:32 [chumpster]
commented item J
16:10:45 [AaronSw]
heh heh.
16:10:48 [Morbus]
<g>
16:11:45 [AaronSw]
J::Oh, and for the record, I think fink really, really, really rocks. We'll miss you, chrisp!
16:11:47 [chumpster]
commented item J
16:12:05 [AaronSw]
I sent him a very nice letter, thanking him profusely a little before he resigned. He never responded...
16:15:38 [AaronSw]
J::One commenter writes:"I'd recommend to anyone who's thinking about creating a user community to stay away from things like public IRC and chat-based systems." Maybe it was #fink that did them in...
16:15:39 [chumpster]
commented item J
16:19:39 [AaronSw]
J::Hmm, I sort of have to agree with Zooko: "Other human beings are difficult and irritating to deal with at the best of times, and the Open Source community is not, in my experience, worse than average."
16:19:41 [chumpster]
commented item J
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16:32:52 [Morbus]
hey, did you run into that dock/icon bug thing?
16:32:59 [Morbus]
hold on. lemme find the thread.
16:36:05 [AaronSw]
@ http://cs.stmarys.ca/~a_ohearn/irby/
16:36:12 [chumpster]
K: http://cs.stmarys.ca/~a_ohearn/irby/ from AaronSw
16:37:02 [AaronSw]
K:|Irby's Homepage
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titled item K
16:41:52 [Morbus]
http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-talk/2001-November/024233.html
16:41:59 [Morbus]
that's the beginning of the thread. the rest hasn't shown up yet.
16:42:11 [Morbus]
basically, its because of some new "dock protection" feature in 10.1.1
16:42:33 [Morbus]
there's more on macfixit.com. they report it when the dock is on the right hand side of the screen, but i saw it when my dock was on the bottom.
16:42:47 [Morbus]
the fix (whcih hasn't been archived yet) is to simply change the dock orientation and then change it back.
16:42:57 [Morbus]
i changed mine to left, and then moved it back to the bottomm, and everything was solved.
16:42:59 [Morbus]
afk
16:43:17 [AaronSw]
hmm...
16:43:40 [Morbus]
oh wait, that is the fix i just linked to.
16:43:42 [Morbus]
hold one
16:43:47 [Morbus]
on, rather
16:43:56 [Morbus]
ah here we go: http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/archive/macosx-talk/2001-November/024202.html
16:44:00 [Morbus]
thats the problem ;)
16:44:12 [AaronSw]
weird -- I just use my dock on the left
16:44:14 [AaronSw]
:-)
16:44:26 [Morbus]
heh. i don't cos i don't like moving all the windows around.
16:44:37 [Morbus]
the dock at the bottom duplicates all my popup folders i used in 9 ;)
16:44:42 [AaronSw]
Heh.
16:44:54 [AaronSw]
the right side is clearly the correct place for it.
16:45:19 [Morbus]
why?
16:45:20 [AaronSw]
it was funny, before 10.1, when you booted, it'd draw the dock on the wrong monitor, and then shift it over.
16:45:24 [Morbus]
i dont like i ton the right.
16:45:38 [Morbus]
mainly cos when you mouse over, the text obscures the icons. that's hideous.
16:45:50 [Morbus]
i'd rather just have no text and just the magnification effect.
16:46:06 [AaronSw]
Huh? What icons?
16:46:07 [Morbus]
or heck, no magnification, and it'll be just like the app menu from 9
16:46:10 [Morbus]
icons on the desktop.
16:46:34 [AaronSw]
hmm, i don't have anything on my deskto[
16:46:43 [Morbus]
not even your hd?
16:46:47 [AaronSw]
well, just my hard drive, but that's on the right side
16:46:59 [Morbus]
in 9, i threw a lot of stuff on the dt, but moved it all to my user folder in x.
16:47:01 [Morbus]
ah. ok.
16:47:08 [AaronSw]
where it's supposed to be, you know. this ain't no windows machine
16:47:27 [Morbus]
yeah, if you put the dock on the right with your hd, and mouse over an icon that is near the hd (i have a large dock), then it obscures the hd icon. i hate that.
16:47:42 [Morbus]
on the left side? since when has anything been on the left side? you luser <g>
16:48:02 [AaronSw]
huh?
16:48:14 [Morbus]
huh what?
16:48:28 [AaronSw]
ne'er mind
16:48:39 [Morbus]
whats in yoru dock?
16:49:11 [AaronSw]
a lot less then the 9000 things in yours
16:49:17 [Morbus]
heh...
16:49:22 [Morbus]
i only have like 25 i think
16:49:44 [AaronSw]
Finder, Mail, IE, Snak, Fire, Pepper, Terminal, Keychain, System Prefs, Calendar, Stickies, Slacker, QT Player, MacSatellite, iTunes and Trash
16:50:07 [Morbus]
ah.
16:52:16 [AaronSw]
@ http://bailando.sims.berkeley.edu/infovis.html
16:52:21 [chumpster]
L: BAILANDO Project: Information Visualization from AaronSw
16:52:33 [AaronSw]
L:|Animated Visualization of general graphs
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titled item L
16:54:49 [AaronSw]
L::Very cool.
16:54:50 [chumpster]
commented item L
16:55:52 [AaronSw]
L::Wow, Ka-Ping Yee is working on this. Man, that kid is everywhere.
16:55:53 [chumpster]
commented item L
16:56:42 [AaronSw]
How does this sound:
16:56:44 [AaronSw]
"Aaron Swartz is a strong advocate for Children's Rights in a world that treats them more like property than people. In his spare time he programs systems to leverage strategic inflection points in the global data structure by building systems that allow people to freely communicate without central control."
16:57:47 [Morbus]
honestly? it sounds like you're trying to be smart.
16:58:02 [AaronSw]
oh, hmm
16:58:06 [Morbus]
the first sentence was good. the "in spare time" one wasn't.
16:58:21 [AaronSw]
I guess leveraging strategic inflection points in the global data structure isn't as funny to most people has it is to me.
16:58:33 [Morbus]
i mean, the second sentence can be deciphered as saying "he uses hotmail from any computer".
16:58:49 [AaronSw]
lol
16:58:52 [Morbus]
:)
16:59:08 [AaronSw]
aww... that's a good one
16:59:13 [Morbus]
i mean, just say "he builds shit that makes napster and the riaa look pitoful.
16:59:23 [AaronSw]
hmm
16:59:30 [Morbus]
that way people will understand you and give you that much need mystique ;)
17:00:27 [Morbus]
"Well respected by the developer and technical community as being one of the youngest geeks, he..."
17:00:31 [Morbus]
something or other. i dunno.
17:00:40 [Morbus]
i respect you. you have my vote.
17:00:42 [Morbus]
whoo.
17:00:46 [AaronSw]
Heh
17:00:57 [Morbus]
don't forget to metnion your dad, too. whistle, whislte.
17:01:11 [AaronSw]
"Aaron Swartz is a strong advocate for Children's Rights in a world that treats them more like property than people. A young emergent networks hacker, he programs systems that allow people to share information freely, anonymously and without any central control."
17:01:27 [AaronSw]
Oh, and he knows this freaky guy named Morbus
17:01:31 [Morbus]
yeah!
17:01:39 [Morbus]
that's got that "i can be serious and funny too!" tone.
17:01:44 [Morbus]
its got pizazz!
17:01:51 [AaronSw]
heh
17:02:04 [Morbus]
who's your audience for this statement? i worry that hacker will get you expelled or something.
17:02:09 [Morbus]
at least, around here, it would :)
17:02:10 [AaronSw]
heh
17:02:22 [AaronSw]
It's for an underground school mag
17:02:30 [AaronSw]
(I get the weirdest emails...)
17:02:30 [Morbus]
i'm glad i'm out of school, personally. i'd hate to know as much as you or I and be in school with computers.
17:02:43 [Morbus]
ah. if its for an underground school mag, i'd assumed a few things:
17:02:49 [AaronSw]
ah, i'm out of school to, remember
17:02:56 [Morbus]
...
17:02:57 [Morbus]
you are?
17:03:03 [Morbus]
i didn't know that.
17:03:14 [AaronSw]
Don't you read my site? http://aaronsw.com/school/
17:03:17 [Morbus]
where the hell have i been?
17:03:21 [Morbus]
i don't read the /school site no.
17:03:39 [Morbus]
don't you read disobey.com? yeah, i knew you didn't. there we go.
17:03:39 [Morbus]
:)
17:04:43 [Morbus]
just signed up to get updates.
17:06:54 [Morbus]
hey, look, i'll read your site, ok! just don't be silent! don't shut the door to your father!
17:08:26 [AaronSw]
heh
17:08:35 [AaronSw]
sorry, got a phone call
17:31:58 [AaronSw]
Mail traffic increases across the globe. No end in sight...
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17:50:45 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
17:50:49 [AaronSw]
I blogged my day's backlog
17:51:10 [sbp]
Hi there
17:52:14 [sbp]
wow, lots of stuff
17:52:29 [AaronSw]
yeah
17:56:41 [sbp]
* sbp reads http://logicerror.com/webizingPython
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I'll send comments
17:57:02 [AaronSw]
Thanks.
17:57:04 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/11/13/14628/112
17:57:11 [chumpster]
M: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/11/13/14628/112 from AaronSw
17:57:26 [AaronSw]
M:|K5 suffers from lack of an Advogato-like system.
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titled item M
17:57:27 [AaronSw]
M:|K5 suffers from lack of an Advogato-like system
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titled item M
18:01:13 [sbp]
should the Python library have URIs too?
18:05:09 [AaronSw]
Python library? of course!
18:07:23 [sbp]
well say that then!
18:11:06 [AaronSw]
isn't it sort of obvious when I say _all_ modules need URIs?
18:11:18 [AaronSw]
oh, do you mean the library as a cohesive unit?
18:12:09 [sbp]
you don't say "all modules"
18:12:37 [AaronSw]
hmz?
18:12:55 [sbp]
you say: "Python* objects need to become first class objects on the Web, and the way to do that is to give them URIs."
18:13:01 [AaronSw]
"Everything of importance in Python needs a URI: modules, functions, variables, etc."
18:13:05 [AaronSw]
second line.
18:13:27 [sbp]
oh. Heh. I was still reading the first. 'tis quite a complex essay, y'know
18:13:32 [sbp]
:-)
18:13:50 [sbp]
[that's a sign of me doing 50 things at once]
18:14:09 [sbp]
@ http://www.eros-os.org/essays/capintro.html
18:14:09 [AaronSw]
Heh.
18:14:25 [chumpster]
N: http://www.eros-os.org/essays/capintro.html from sbp
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N:|What is a Capability, Anyway?
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titled item N
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N::"""A better solution is not to have a common file system, and not to give any program access to the file system by default. File systems are very useful, but most programs and subsystems do not need access to them."""
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commented item N
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* sbp waves
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Gotta run
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do i smell that bad?
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18:21:30 [AaronSw]
heh
18:39:48 [AaronSw]
Hmm, new HD supposed to come tomorrow.
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Oops, missed kenm again
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g'morning deltab
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gotta run, dr.'s appt
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heh:-
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[[[
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21:35:27 <DanC> hmm... it's still mostly a losing game trying to predict what SemWeb developers are going to do ;-)
21:42:22 [sbp]
21:36:00 <DanC> myself included!
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]]] - http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2001-11-15.txt
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Gotta run
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Heh
21:43:59 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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hi
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22:15:13 [AaronSw]
Anyone know about this guy named asynch_messaging@hotmail.com who's plugging KnowNow?
22:15:45 [AaronSw]
Ah, as I suspected it's Mike Dierken.
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@ http://www.louisrosenfeld.com/home/bloug_archive/005.html
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O: http://www.louisrosenfeld.com/home/bloug_archive/005.html from AaronSw
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G:|Gopher World Tour!
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titled item G
22:39:16 [AaronSw]
G::Scroll all the way down
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commented item G
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G::"After all, why on earth would we ever want to exchange hierarchies for hypertext? Hierarchies were logical and predictable means of organization and navigation. Hypertextual links, on the other hand, were random and incredibly personal associations that simply weren't appropriate for general consumption: no one else would understand them as labels for links to other pages."
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commented item G
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G::A little above: """Noted information architect Lou Rosenfeld was killed today while scaling an unstable polyhierarchy, which collapsed, burying Rosenfeld in an avalanche of metadata and thesauri. Although librarians rushed to the scene tried digging through the mounds of semi-structured text, their rescue efforts were hampered by the intense granularity of the content and false returns from search queries. "We knew what we were looking for," said Paul
22:44:58 [chumpster]
commented item G
22:45:19 [Morbus]
G::Rosenfeld is dead?!
22:45:20 [chumpster]
commented item G
22:45:25 [Morbus]
G::NOOoOOOOOOOOO!
22:45:29 [chumpster]
commented item G
22:45:33 [AaronSw]
Heh heh heh.
22:45:50 [AaronSw]
"I come from a small town whose population never changed. Each time a woman got pregnant, someone left town."-- Michael Prichard
22:46:53 [AaronSw]
Heh: http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/01nov/xuf003655.gif
22:47:02 [AaronSw]
I thought Larry had Bill beat for a while...
22:47:14 [Morbus]
heheheh
22:47:57 [AaronSw]
Apple iPod Email: "iTunes and iPod are for legal or rightholder-authorized copying only. Don't steal music."
22:49:57 [Morbus]
@ http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20011114/ts/imdf14112001192747a.html
22:50:04 [chumpster]
P: Yahoo! News - Reuters Photo from Morbus
22:50:32 [Morbus]
P::Worst... Promoter... Ever!
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commented item P
22:51:02 [AaronSw]
P:|Bill Gates, Chairman and Chief Software Architect of Microsoft (R) and World Wrestling Federation star Duane "The Rock" Introduce the XBox
22:51:03 [chumpster]
titled item P
22:51:15 [AaronSw]
Or is it xBox
22:51:21 [AaronSw]
or maybe Xbox
22:52:08 [AaronSw]
P:|Bill Gates and WWF Star Duane "The Rock" Introduce the Xbox
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titled item P
22:52:39 [AaronSw]
Here's an interesting nonce I got from Yahoo: EOo-l70qSKblh6shZ2EXlffYIRE
22:52:45 [Morbus]
brb
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23:11:01 [Morbus]
damn, my trial period is over on snak
23:12:58 [AaronSw]
aww
23:13:10 [AaronSw]
pay up, bigshot
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23:13:23 [AaronSw]
getting all that tech support, and not paying! shame on you
23:13:49 [Morbus]
yeah, so anyways, i'm not sure which name to use.
23:13:55 [Morbus]
i mean, morbus iff is super wellknown.
23:14:00 [Morbus]
kevin hemenway is real worldish.
23:14:08 [sbp]
how about: "Sprinky, the lovable elf"
23:14:13 [Morbus]
and nearly no one knows about that.
23:14:54 [Morbus]
see!
23:15:49 [sbp]
How about "D. Obey"
23:16:00 [Morbus]
heh. ok. no more suggestions from sean <g>
23:16:16 [sbp]
heh, heh
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I'll be quiet now
23:17:42 [Morbus]
ok. i command ye to speak! i speak with the bravado of charles heston!
23:17:51 [sbp]
Hans Güferschneifer!
23:18:07 [Morbus]
pump me up baby
23:18:10 [sbp]
no one would suspect someone with a Germanic name
23:19:09 [sbp]
Robert Biddlington
23:20:06 [sbp]
you could play "good ol' Mr. Biddlington" in a spoof British sitcom
23:20:17 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Cocaine Blues' on Johnny Cash's album 'At Folsom Prison & San Quentin'.
23:20:17 [Morbus]
!itunes
23:20:46 [sbp]
logster, grep Blues
23:20:53 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'Blues'
23:20:54 [logster]
0) 2001-11-15 23:20:46 <sbp> logster, grep Blues
23:20:55 [logster]
1) 2001-11-15 23:20:17 <Morbus> * Morbus is currently listening to 'Cocaine Blues' on Johnny Cash's album 'At Folsom Prison & San Quentin'.
23:20:56 [logster]
2) 2001-11-04 03:43:53 <sbp> y'know, like those five piece Jazz/Blues combos. If I could get to more clubs...
23:20:57 [logster]
3) 2001-10-05 00:54:14 <sbp> Lay Lady Lay, Tangled Up In Blue, Summer Days, Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again, Like A Rolling Stone, Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands, Wedding Song, Black Diamond Bay, Dirt Road Blues
23:21:22 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Remote Control' on Beastie Boys's album 'Live At The Loreley Festival June 20 1998'.
23:21:22 [Morbus]
!itunes
23:22:19 [sbp]
do you flick through them or something? No way are you playing these songs for their whole duration
23:22:32 [Morbus]
no, they're full play. i
23:22:58 [Morbus]
sounds like a porn star.
23:23:02 [Morbus]
ogg morbus
23:23:13 [sbp]
i²?
23:23:34 [Morbus]
nuthing. they're full play.
23:23:47 [sbp]
Why don't you get another name from Crowley?
23:24:16 [sbp]
full play?
23:24:25 [Morbus]
i haven't read crowley in years. i haven't read ficiton for years, come to think abou tit.
23:24:56 [Morbus]
* Morbus is currently listening to 'Plaintive Rumba' on Lisa Ekdahl's album 'Back To Earth'.
23:24:56 [Morbus]
!itunes
23:25:10 [sbp]
Crowley's fiction???
23:25:20 [Morbus]
he wrote moonchild, which was fiction, yes.
23:25:27 [Morbus]
that's where iff comes from - a character named simon iff.
23:25:54 [sbp]
yep, that's why I suggested that you get another from the same source
23:27:45 [Morbus]
lol.
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23:40:52 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.finetuning.com/rosenp2p10-06-2001.html
23:40:58 [chumpster]
Q: http://www.finetuning.com/rosenp2p10-06-2001.html from AaronSw
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Q:|Hilary Rosen's Speech at P2PCon2
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titled item Q
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23:44:03 [Morbus]
hey rillian.
23:44:36 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/15/opinion/15SAFI.html
23:44:39 [chumpster]
R: Sign In or Register at NYTimes.com from AaronSw
23:44:55 [AaronSw]
R:|Seizing Dictatorial Power
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titled item R
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23:45:05 [rillian]
* rillian waves
23:45:14 [AaronSw]
R::"Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. Intimidated by terrorists and inflamed by a passion for rough justice, we are letting George W. Bush get away with the replacement of the American rule of law with military kangaroo courts."
23:45:15 [chumpster]
commented item R
23:45:37 [rillian]
* rillian looks at the topic with a slightly quizzical experssion
23:45:47 [Morbus]
AaronSw took a sabbatical yesterdya.
23:46:41 [rillian]
sabbatical from the net?
23:47:17 [Morbus]
from email and irc.
23:47:18 [AaronSw]
no, just IRC and email
23:47:22 [AaronSw]
jix
23:47:25 [Morbus]
he was probably at porn sites.
23:47:31 [Morbus]
HEY! i beat you that time, bub.
23:47:33 [Morbus]
thats three today. man.
23:47:38 [Morbus]
what the frel is wrong with us.
23:48:34 [rillian]
AaronSw: er, ok. so what's it like, being away from irc?
23:48:41 [AaronSw]
It's very cool.
23:48:50 [AaronSw]
especially email
23:49:38 [Morbus]
i play ps2.
23:49:40 [AaronSw]
it's also very boring
23:49:41 [Morbus]
the sun can burn in hell.
23:49:43 [Morbus]
hey, that's a joke. heh.
23:49:45 [AaronSw]
I had nothing to do...
23:50:06 [rillian]
AaronSw: surely there are other ways to occupy yourself?
23:50:07 [AaronSw]
well, nothing to do while i was procrastinating
23:50:18 [rillian]
meatspace is replete with activities
23:50:20 [rillian]
...ah
23:50:20 [Morbus]
like masturbating to the cover of a ps2 game.
23:50:21 [AaronSw]
So I had to read... <gasp!> ERights papers!
23:50:34 [AaronSw]
to keep myselff occupied
23:50:47 [AaronSw]
Yeah, and I had a lot of fun in meatspace
23:50:54 [Morbus]
see!
23:50:57 [Morbus]
i knew he was masturbating.
23:50:57 [AaronSw]
It wasn't as bad as I make it sound.
23:51:07 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smacks Morbus
23:51:22 [Morbus]
i mean, why else would you talk about your meats pace?
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3...
23:51:46 [Morbus]
don't be getting that hand near me. you smacked enough
23:51:49 [AaronSw]
2...
23:52:48 [Morbus]
is that your count down to cumplosion?
23:52:57 [AaronSw]
1...
23:53:10 [Morbus]
no wonder you read those erights papers. you needed something to clean up with.
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23:53:57 [sagan.openprojects.net]
topic is: Email and IRC-free is the way to be!
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Users on #swhack: logster Morbus rillian chumpster oierw` deltab @AaronSw BenSw|asleep
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23:54:26 [asimov.openprojects.net]
topic is: Email and IRC-free is the way to be!
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Users on #swhack: logster Morbus rillian BenSw|asleep @AaronSw chumpster oierw` deltab
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23:54:56 [rillian]
Morbus: you're not usually so rude. was that flirtation?
23:55:12 [Morbus]
heh. no, you told me to keep coming up with comebacks. i had to appease my fans.
23:55:32 [AaronSw]
He thinks just because he's my Dad he can shoot his mouth off... sheesh
23:55:45 [sbp]
heh, heh
23:55:51 [Morbus]
lol
23:56:20 [Morbus]
when was greenspun pushed out?
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23:56:28 [xena]
Morbus is your Dad?
23:56:29 [AaronSw]
No.
23:56:51 [rillian]
xena: mewtwo?
23:57:14 [xena]
Ever watch that show?
23:57:28 [rillian]
nope
23:57:35 [xena]
Pokemon
23:57:56 [xena]
Got a character called mewtwo in it.
23:58:15 [rillian]
ah, ok
23:58:24 [rillian]
* rillian was just curious where the name came from
23:58:32 [Morbus]
i thought that was from the movie.
23:58:36 [Morbus]
and not the show.
23:58:42 [rillian]
BTW, interesting article on the Fink stuff at advogato.net
23:58:47 [sbp]
xena watches Pokemon? Hmm... I'm so conflicted
23:58:57 [xena]
No, I think Mew is from the movie... not sure...
23:59:07 [Morbus]
rillian, that advogato link is in the chump bot ;)
23:59:14 [xena]
sbp, I only watch when tav makes me...