00:06:35 logster has joined #swhack 00:06:35 topic is: Almost everything has a rational explanation... except for spandex 00:06:35 Users on #swhack: logster @sbp tav` tav deltab 00:11:16 * sbp is sorta tryin'ta write a song 00:11:56 Hey, I could use IRC to transcribe what I write. Cool idea 00:16:25 Hmm... 00:17:38 XX7909 00:17:45 A something or other 00:18:13 er... Major :-) 00:18:50 no 6th? that'd be 7th on the 5th 00:20:41 FMaj9/C... CMaj7 G BbMaj7 F 00:21:31 AaronSw has joined #swhack 00:22:12 Hmm... C(I) to CMaj7(III) is quite cool. What was the prograssion I had after that? 00:22:17 Hi Aaron 00:22:35 hi 00:22:50 How's it going? 00:23:02 Sorry for dropping out on you last night... I fell asleep and then Shabbat started. 00:24:08 Cool, I like that #swhack weblog 00:24:10 Ggrgmrgrp, I thought that chord didn't sound like AMaj: it's AMaj,9 00:24:14 sbp? 00:24:25 Dropping out, that's fine 00:24:26 yes? 00:24:58 Did you generate #swhack automatically? 00:25:02 Hmm, doesn't look like it. 00:25:10 Heh: Bringing you reams of news, fresh from the Bayou for $99.99! 00:25:21 oh, the Weblog! Sorry, I wondered what you were talking about for a seond there... 00:25:37 What's with that logo? 00:25:40 No, I didn't generate it automatically, my server can't do those sort of things... :-) 00:25:45 the logo: just a placeholder 00:25:55 I'll put in a cooler one if/when you set it up 00:25:57 it 00:26:02 it's not too colorful, no? 00:26:14 Well, I'm not too fond of the color scheme... 00:26:23 Perhaps look up a good color scheme page? 00:26:37 Maybe we should just get the chump, looking at that? 00:26:47 Yeah, it works alright 00:28:07 * sbp backs up his 8 minute "Heroes And Villains" track 00:28:20 Hmm, but it'd be better if it was fractal, like DanC was saying. 00:28:37 hmz 00:28:50 Hey tav, feeling better? 00:29:05 hi 00:29:09 much better thanks 00:29:15 that's good. 00:29:20 feeling real shitty for having wasted two days though 00:29:33 Hmm. 00:29:35 Have you read "Mirror Worlds"? 00:30:31 Ooh, AMaj,9 Em7 GMaj7 AMaj 00:30:37 hmz, nope 00:31:09 You really should -- I was re-reading parts of it today and it fits well into your vision. 00:31:17 TODO: Search for Internet-scale Linda systems 00:31:28 * sbp has to try this on Fender/Marshall... 00:31:54 a short summary? 00:32:06 hmz, can we talk in #esp? 00:32:15 sbp: you can join us there 00:32:34 irc.espnow.com 00:32:56 (is the server) 00:34:29 Hmm... I quite like this, but it needs 2/3 guitars 00:34:38 2/3s of a guitar? 00:34:44 ;) 00:34:44 2 or 3 00:35:17 your joke wasn't actually as jokey as it could have been, since there are plenty of 2/3 size guitars about 00:36:35 Hmm... I'm not sure what octave to put this in 00:37:51 s/AMaj9/A6 00:37:54 sounds good too 00:38:54 AMaj DMaj7 CMaj7 G makes a good variation 00:40:19 Hmm... this is one to mull on 00:40:24 ugh, so much stuff to do tonight 00:40:35 Usually my songwriting consists of two types: fragments, and sequencing 00:40:56 tonight seems to be a fragment night, coming up with bits of songs. Dunno how they'll fit together yet 00:41:09 sort of like your triples for the Internet vision, eh Aaron? 00:41:27 Heh. 00:43:09 Ah, I remember that sequence now 00:43:24 It's C CMaj7 FMaj D7 FMaj D9 GMaj 00:45:52 Cookoos In May 00:46:22 er... that'd be Cuckoo 00:46:47 stupid onomatopoeic spelling forms 00:49:15 * sbp wonders why he can't even touch the quality of his songs a year and a half or so ago 00:50:53 I guess I don't write as often as I used to 00:53:35 This is quite neat: Bm7/ESus11 Db5,6 GMaj ASus7 00:54:03 Hmm, maybe you should write an RDF Schema for this stuff. 00:54:13 s/ASus7/Em 00:54:17 RDF Schema, lol! 00:54:33 Then you can create a Web service so I can listen to them ;) 00:55:33 Just use my musical note URN thing 00:55:55 Yeah, I know but beyond that... 00:56:01 you need timing, association with text 00:56:06 I reckon a simplified Western-scale version of that might be cool 00:56:22 timing: yeah, but an RDF Schema can handle that :-) 00:57:08 E F Fs G Ab A Bb B C Db D Eb 00:57:21 Shame it can't use "#" 00:57:58 Why not? 00:58:19 well, if it did, it would have to be URI encoded 00:58:38 Oh, true. 01:01:04 :Chord rdfs:subClassOf rdf:Bag . 01:02:17 :AMaj7 a :Chord; rdf:_1 ; rdf:_2 ; rdf:_3 ; ; rdf:_4 . 01:02:37 s/ ;/ 01:02:56 Heh! And the timing? 01:03:17 [ :chord :AMaj; :duration :1Bar ] . 01:03:28 s/AMaj/AMaj7 01:04:48 You could make a set of the above, like :AMaj7_4beats :EMaj_2beats 01:04:53 and come up with a song 01:05:27 :Song rdfs:subClassOf rdf:Seq . 01:09:39 [ a :Song; rdf:_1 :FMaj_4beats; rdf:_2 :Em7_2beats; rdf:_3 :A7_2beats; rdf:_4 :Dm_3beats; rdf:_5 :Dm7_1beat; rdf:_6 :Bb_2beats; rdf:_7 :C7_2beats; rdf:_8 :FMaj_3beats; rdf:_9 :Dm_2beats; rdf:_10 :G7_2beats; rdf:_11 :Bb_1beat; rdf:_12 :FMaj_3beats ] . 01:10:06 [ a :SongIntro; rdf:_1 :FMaj_8beats ] . 01:11:41 Heh 01:11:53 Guess the song (or play it) 01:12:28 I'm no good at guitar notation. 01:12:44 It's the intro and first verse to "Yesterday" 01:13:12 I should have dc:title'd it really :-) 01:13:20 Heh. 01:13:46 It'd be good if there were a superset of NTriples with prefixes 01:14:44 Yeah, I want to use that in the primer. 01:14:54 Perhaps a little more.. 01:15:05 URIs are just too long to use in NTriples 01:15:17 prefixes would make NTriples usable, IMO 01:15:55 of course, all we have to do is write in Notation3 and then convert to NTriples, but still... 01:17:36 Why would you want to use it though? 01:17:38 Tim's started on cryptograpy for CWM 01:17:54 use what: NTriples? Because it's easy to parse. Piss easy 01:18:02 Ooh, cryptography. 01:18:20 Yeah, XNT or NT should be RDF interchange format 01:18:40 http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/crypto.n3 01:18:49 Heh, XNT. SURF! 01:20:08 XML RDF should probably be binned... 01:20:28 I guess I should call it M&S XML RDF 01:20:40 Yeah... 01:21:14 how are you doing on your perfect Python API for RDF? 01:21:30 Haven't had a while to mess with it, i suppose. 01:21:57 So it hasn't changed much. 01:22:03 Been thinking about it though... 01:22:03 Uh huh 01:22:36 I've been wondering about representing literals 01:23:28 NTriples has to be parsed into a document context now, because of the anonymous (or whatever) nodes 01:23:40 so perhaps literals should have unique IDs too, bound to that context 01:23:43 Ooh, literals -- good point. I forgot about that. 01:24:09 I'll just give them URIs. ;-) 01:24:47 well, you need to give them *some* ID. Doesn't have to be a URI, but can be 01:28:53 the question is, "what shall we call Elky?" 01:40:50 Heh! 01:41:08 Terje: "Those who make a 20-line XML parser in Perl to use an XHTML document as a resource file format, where link text conveys not only minimal target information but rather a complete sentence, would do well to keep that in mind. There are several less esoteric applications for this kind of link extraction and more ways to treat a web "page" then is immediately obvious to Jakob Nielsen and the IBM tech-writer team. :-)" 01:41:37 Heh 01:50:06 How long do you think it will take to install 10.1? 01:53:22 Umm, it didn't take that long on the other machine. Perhaps 15-30 min. 01:53:22 why? 01:53:38 Just wondered 01:53:46 I've got to run soon 01:53:55 The F2F starts at 9AM on Monday! 01:53:59 Ugh 01:54:13 Wow, do you have to set up a lot of stuff? 01:54:29 I've no idea 01:54:50 It's going to be some learning experience! Like an 8 hour teleconference, I guess 01:54:56 Heh! 01:55:04 Have you read the guide for W3C F2F Hosts? 01:55:16 Sometime, I think so 01:55:25 You might want to review it. 01:55:45 * sbp does so now 01:56:09 Ooh, name badges 01:57:41 Heh! 01:57:50 Aww, shoot. 01:58:07 What? 01:58:21 I overwrote my oldRDF test case with the NT version... 01:58:55 that's good! 01:58:58 interesting: http://www.w3.org/1999/11/19-W3C-confidentiality.html 01:59:39 Indeed. 01:59:48 I think I read that before... 02:00:20 It's weird how Lynx gets so happy that I'm not quitting. 02:01:47 "Do I know you from someplace?": you always say that to new people! 02:01:56 Have a better suggestion? 02:02:09 I need to program it into swButler. 02:02:25 :-) 02:03:51 that's funny, I found http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/context/16258/0 too 02:04:13 but that's "E.J. Hernandez-Valencia" 02:05:02 "Adam has been very quit (publically) since that last frekus when everybody seem to gang up on him .. even Pat Hayes" Hmm, SUO seems to have quite interesting politics! 02:05:48 yeah... 02:07:14 OK, now I'm really going to install stuff! 02:07:20 lol 02:07:25 Oh wait, never mind... 02:08:23 I just thought of something else to do. 02:17:46 SUO ? 02:19:05 Standard Upper Ontology 02:19:10 http://sue.ieee.org/ 02:19:14 er... 02:19:18 http://suo.ieee.org/ 02:37:18 AaronSw has quit 02:37:24 Homer: Purple is a fruit 02:37:57 sbp has quit 02:45:41 AaronSw has joined #swhack 02:45:58 Hmm, Sean musta left 02:46:06 logster, grep sbp 02:46:08 I'm logging. I found 5897 answers for 'sbp' (showing 0...4) 02:46:09 0) 2001-09-30 02:46:06 logster, grep sbp 02:46:10 1) 2001-09-30 02:37:57 sbp has quit 02:46:11 2) 2001-09-30 02:37:24 Homer: Purple is a fruit 02:46:12 3) 2001-09-30 02:19:18 http://suo.ieee.org/ 02:46:13 4) 2001-09-30 02:19:14 er... 02:46:23 Oh well. 02:50:15 * AaronSw waves from borrowed computer, BTW 02:50:20 Krepta3k has joined #swhack 02:50:25 Hello. :) 02:50:42 Krepta3k, this channel is for hackers, not crackers (just FYI) 02:50:44 hi there. 02:51:38 Ahh, a freenet hacker? 02:51:43 Yeah. :) 02:51:49 I love freenet. 02:51:54 Cool. 02:52:10 heh, there are only three people who have touched freenet code in the last 6 months 02:52:10 * AaronSw is more interested in Freenet-style systems that trade anonymity for speed 02:52:10 I'm trying to get an old game to allow me Full access to it's features. It's a '94 game. 02:52:20 But if that is cracking, then, I guess I should go. :)( 02:53:17 Yeah, that's cracking in its truest sense, I believe. 02:53:49 Well, I don't want to bother you with that stuff then. :) 02:54:23 Heh, no worries... just don't think you'll get many answers. 02:55:04 Most hackers and crackers that I've talked to are very VERY rude to newbies. :( 02:55:22 Yeah, same here. I think that needs fixing... 02:55:27 One person at a time, perhaps. 02:55:35 * AaronSw was a newbie once ;-) 02:55:45 Perhaps still! 02:57:08 There was this guy on irc.fdf.net that was totaly flameing me for haveing mentioned that I appreciated the testing facilities at GRC. I, being a newbie, had absolutely no idea that GRC was such a touchy subject among the Networking and Security community. 02:57:30 Hmm. 02:57:41 I still have no idea what a "Raw Socket" is, nor how one would "Bind" one. 02:57:46 Heh. 02:58:06 tav, why has no one touched freenet code? 02:58:22 touched? As in cracked? 02:58:35 as in modified 02:58:40 ah 02:58:51 Hmm, what are people' 02:58:56 Hmm, what are people's gripes against GRC? 02:59:01 Haven't run into that one, yet. 02:59:32 ugh, just a bunch of stuff about bad codeing and inexperience and terrormongering or whatever. 03:00:04 Ah. 03:00:54 Krepta, your name Aaron, too? 03:00:59 They said that if the Networking/security community doesn't recognize you as an expert, you are not an expert. But how would you get them to recognize you? 03:01:06 Yeah. Howdyaknow? 03:01:18 From #freenet 03:01:23 Ah. :) 03:01:39 I've met two Aarons today after not running into any others on IRC before! 03:01:47 Wow. :) 03:02:01 I know like 4 other Aarons at church. :) 03:02:07 Heh. 03:15:42 * AaronSw is away: I'm busy 03:24:06 * AaronSw is back (gone 00:08:24) 03:24:17 Odd, must be auto-away. 03:39:46 http://www.cs.yale.edu/Linda/linda.html | Website for the Linda group at Yale 03:39:53 * AaronSw researches Internet-scale Linda systems 03:40:42 Cool, KenM has looked at this: 03:41:00 http://lwprotocols.org/linda-systems.html 03:45:14 Interesting, "RDFs in XML" is given as an alternative to service descriptions: 03:45:16 http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~ravenben/research/tuplespace/sld019.htm 03:46:40 Commercial Linda: http://lindaspaces.com/about/index.html 03:46:44 Wow, even an OS X version. 03:49:46 JXTA: http://jxtaspaces.jxta.org/ 03:50:38 Krepta3k has quit 03:51:30 JavaSpaces: http://java.sun.com/products/javaspaces/ 03:51:59 Seems to be part of Jini... what a mess. 03:53:10 IBM research on "TSpaces": http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/TSpaces/ 03:54:44 KenM points to xml-dist-app for questions 03:57:38 Hmm, DeHora seems to be interested in this... @@email him 03:57:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2000Nov/0289.html 04:09:36 This guy looks interesting: 04:09:37 http://research.microsoft.com/~antr/coord.htm 04:10:03 especially WCL, tuple streaming 04:17:20 TODO: Listen to Jimi Hendrix 04:18:23 Hmm, PageSpaces keeps coming up: 04:18:23 http://flp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pagespc/ 04:24:31 hendrix: esp voodoo child 04:37:38 To read: Gelernter's "Machine Beauty" -- ask danbri how he liked it 04:38:36 read: http://www.sff.net/people/Gunn/gelernter.htm 04:49:49 dist-obj might also be a good place to email 04:50:35 LindaTalk: Linda in squeak? 04:51:02 those squeakers... 04:59:11 Mark Baker: "an application protocol supporting 04:59:11 tuple space semantics. The Web is a big tuple space. "GET"=read(), 04:59:11 "POST"=insert(), etc.. And as all dist-obj-ers should know, tuple 04:59:11 spaces are very powerful. 04:59:11 " 04:59:17 I had guessed as much. 05:02:34 But it's hard to do queries on the Web... 05:03:03 TupleSpaces will win out in the end... perhaps I can point to Web as example of great success? 05:03:09 Everyone does that tho. 05:03:44 Mark might know about this stuff... 05:06:08 and of course, we come back to Mark Baker and Ron Resnick... these worlds are rather intertwingled. 06:13:19 ASwartz has joined #swhack 06:13:49 AaronSw has quit 06:14:13 ASwartz is now known as AaronSw 06:14:24 wtf is up with Mac OS X? 06:14:28 This is really screwed up. 06:14:37 Dock is on the wrong monitor 06:14:52 The IE icon bounces real funky and won't stop 06:15:01 it didn't recognize my airport 06:15:09 hmm, looks like that bouncing is it calling for attention 06:15:10 eek 06:54:03 Hmm, a lot of weird cosmetic glitches 06:54:16 I fixed the dock problem by moving the physical second monitor 06:54:44 Much faster, much prettier. 07:01:18 grrrrr has joined #swhack 07:01:33 what's the project du jour? 07:07:53 eh? No problem. 07:07:58 What problem? 07:08:08 Man, Apple really got out the GDSquad for this release. 07:08:16 Everything's got updated icons and stuff. 07:17:05 -- 07:17:13 Icecast's HTTP implementation is really messed up. 07:17:22 These are the headers it gives for an MP3 stream: 07:17:24 HTTP/1.0 306 Grow up 07:17:24 Server: icecast/1.3.8.beta2 07:17:24 Connection: close 07:17:24 Content-Type: text/html 07:17:37 hmm 07:17:46 The 306 response doesn't even exist -- it was proposed as a Set Proxy response but was later removed. 07:17:47 wonder what my httpd sends 07:18:03 oh 07:18:07 didnt catch that 07:18:25 Not to mention the text/html instead of x-mp3 or something. 07:18:29 where's that server? 07:18:35 yeah that's what caught my attention 07:18:41 but if its not 200 dont read it 07:30:20 ehm 07:30:27 gdsquad is used outside of esp? 08:36:33 grrrrr has quit 11:09:33 deltab has quit 11:09:33 tav has quit 11:09:33 tav` has quit 11:10:47 deltab has joined #swhack 11:10:47 tav has joined #swhack 11:10:47 tav` has joined #swhack 14:07:12 Heh, I was wondering how long it would take tav to say that. 14:07:19 Why not? It's phenomic. 14:53:34 sbp has joined #swhack 14:54:58 semanticWeb-long/Class project! 14:55:07 Woo, OS X 10.1! 14:55:12 Woo! 14:55:17 Hey Aaron 14:55:22 Hi there. 14:55:29 So, what's 10.1 like? :-) 14:55:37 It's awesome -- much prettier, faster, etc. 14:55:49 I'm rocking! 14:56:16 Cool! 14:56:45 Took a while to install, so I commandeered another computer and dumped a ton of Linda space links into the channel... now to look them over. 14:57:23 this channel is so useful! 14:57:31 * sbp eats his Breakfast... is not at Tiffany's 14:57:41 Tiffany's? 14:58:02 Mac OS X even tells me the temperature (via SOAP) 14:58:23 film, song Breakfast at Tiffany's 14:58:34 Oh, right. 14:59:04 *and* a vague Simpsons reference! 14:59:31 [ :song dc:title "Breakfast at Tiffany's" ] 14:59:51 "Audrey Hepburn plays that daring, darling Holly Golightly to a new high in entertainment delight!" 14:59:55 - http://us.imdb.com/Title?0054698 15:00:38 doh 15:00:45 [ a :Film; dc:title "Breakfast at Tiffany's" ] . [ a :Song; dc:title "Breakfast at Tiffany's" ] . 15:00:54 right 15:01:00 :-) 15:01:13 Who did the song? 15:01:25 Which one? 15:01:36 There's a version by Rockapella, Deep Blue SOmething, Matchbox 15:01:48 Oasis, Brown Derbies, Moxy Fruvous 15:01:59 Henry Mancini, Gin Blossoms 15:02:24 Barenaked Ladies, Audrey Hepburn 15:02:29 Ah, I meant the Deep Blue Something one, I think... 15:02:35 Queer as Folk, Weezer 15:02:55 etc. 15:03:10 AudioGalazy rules. ;-) 15:03:53 Interesting channel: #linuxforlesbians 15:03:57 lol 15:04:40 With a website: http://linuxforlesbians.org/ 15:05:52 different... 15:06:06 cool motto: "because lesbians use Linux too" 15:06:29 ... Don't they? 15:06:36 Yeah :-) 15:06:59 I know at least one on this network 15:07:10 they're all in #linuxforlesbians 15:08:09 nope 15:08:32 Heh, "like i'm fixin to die rag" is funny. 15:08:36 Really? Well, what's the point of having a channel then? eh? 15:08:48 Aaron: huh? 15:09:01 It's a song. 15:09:16 Ah, rag as in ragtime 15:09:48 I like "Nashville Skyline Rag", but I'm not playing it right now... 15:09:56 "They say the early bird gets the worm. I don't know anything about worms, but if you get to Fry's in the first 30 minutes it's open you can snag one of the last remaining 10.1 Instant-Up-To-Date packs." - Wes 15:10:06 I've got Walking Into Clarksdale on: When I Was A Child 15:10:40 "10.1" == "worm"? What is being implied here?! 15:10:56 Heh! 15:12:03 Ooh, F2F tomorrow... scary/exciting/etc/ 15:12:10 s/\//. 15:12:42 [[[And I said what about "Breakfast at Tiffany's? / She said, "I think I remember the film, / And as I recall, I think, we both kinda liked it." / And I said, "Well, that's the one thing we've got." ]]] 15:12:55 yeah, that's the one 15:13:14 Ohh, F2F -- fun! 15:13:25 scary/exciting/etc. 15:13:58 It starts at 9AM! 9AM, I tells ya! 15:14:35 That means I'll have to go to bed at a sensible time. grgrgmrgh. I have a feeling I'm going to be a little tardy... 15:14:38 That's late -- move it up to 8... or 7! 15:14:47