IRC log of swhack on 2001-10-28

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00:12:43 [sbp]

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00:12:58 [hydking007]

does anyone know a channel on image processing (on any irc server)?

00:13:15 [sbp]

what kind of image processing? Just general?

00:13:26 [sbp]

I'm afraid that I don't...

00:14:00 [hydking007]

don't remember?

00:15:11 [sbp]

don't know of any

00:15:33 [sbp]

I'm not really an image processing sort of person :-)

00:18:03 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

00:18:14 [sbp]

Hi Aaron

00:18:33 [sbp]

I sent some .java stuff to you. Thought you might appreciate it, heh, heh

00:19:03 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

00:19:57 [AaronSw]

ugh, so many messages...

00:20:19 [sbp]

you're too popular

00:21:12 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh

00:21:20 [AaronSw]

"""

00:21:21 [AaronSw]

Hi I was gullable but I think you scamed me I sent a check for 10.00 dollars

00:21:22 [AaronSw]

thru your company to be a home-mailer but I did not hear anything from your

00:21:22 [AaronSw]

company but you cashed my check oct 10,2001. Anyway if you can e-mail me and

00:21:22 [AaronSw]

give me any advise on this I would appreciate it. Thank You

00:21:23 [AaronSw]

"""

00:21:29 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

00:21:49 [sbp]

where's that from?

00:22:35 [AaronSw]

www-rdf-comments I think

00:22:41 [AaronSw]

Yep.

00:22:45 [sbp]

heh!

00:24:37 [AaronSw]

DanC is back?

00:24:38 [AaronSw]

seen DanC

00:24:39 [xena]

DanC has never been seen. Use "seen ?" for help.

00:25:00 [AaronSw]

oh, never mind

00:28:20 [AaronSw]

Zooko: "[Blue's Clue's] host Steve's incessant display of rubberfaced benevolence is somewhere between creepy and endearing."

00:29:10 [sbp]

Zooko: a fresh fountain of fun daily

00:29:20 [sbp]

rather, Zooko didn't say that; is it

00:29:30 [AaronSw]

:-)

00:29:40 [AaronSw]

Steve's even scarier with only the Green Screen...

00:29:53 [AaronSw]

He was filming a commercial when we visited Nickelodeon Studios.

00:32:50 [hydking007]

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00:33:39 [sbp]

what's the comment syntax for logster?

00:33:47 [AaronSw]

what do you mean?

00:33:57 [sbp]

I mean, in RegExp terms

00:34:20 [AaronSw]

Umm...

00:34:25 [sbp]

([\s]*#[^\n]*) or something?

00:34:40 [AaronSw]

No, just "^#.*" I believe

00:35:08 [AaronSw]

^ being special character for beginning of the line.

00:35:10 [sbp]

so # this isn't commented

00:35:15 [sbp]

# and neither is this

00:35:25 [sbp]

yeah... and $ is for the EOL?

00:35:44 [AaronSw]

Yep.

00:36:07 [sbp]

cool

00:36:20 [sbp]

re.S

00:36:53 [sbp]

[[[

00:36:53 [sbp]

00:35:10 <sbp> so # this isn't commented

00:36:53 [sbp]

00:35:15 <sbp> # and neither is this

00:36:53 [AaronSw]

What're you writing? The xena logging function?

00:36:59 [sbp]

]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

00:37:06 [sbp]

me? Nah

00:37:24 [sbp]

pff, don't fuck with the comment deeley!

00:37:43 [sbp]

I don't go into your meetings and wave my arse about...

00:37:44 [AaronSw]

What do you mean?

00:38:07 [AaronSw]

I was well outside on my machine.

00:38:19 [sbp]

[[[

00:38:21 [sbp]

00:36:53 <sbp> [[[

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00:36:53 <sbp> 00:35:10 <sbp> so # this isn't commented

00:38:21 [sbp]

00:36:53 <sbp> 00:35:15 <sbp> # and neither is this

00:38:21 [sbp]

00:36:53 <AaronSw> What're you writing? The xena logging function?

00:38:21 [sbp]

00:36:59 <sbp> ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

00:38:26 [sbp]

]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

00:38:29 [AaronSw]

Hmmph.

00:38:35 [sbp]

:-)

00:39:23 [AaronSw]

Why Java?

00:39:25 [sbp]

how was Shabat?

00:40:14 [sbp]

Java: because it's a wonderful little programming languages, free of any quirks, and with a wonderfully accessible library

00:41:27 [AaronSw]

Ah, I totally understand.

00:41:38 [sbp]

:-)

00:42:01 [sbp]

ooh:-

00:42:03 [sbp]

[[[

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00:38:19 <sbp> [[[

00:42:06 [sbp]

00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <sbp> [[[

00:42:06 [sbp]

00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <sbp> 00:35:10 <sbp> so # this isn't commented

00:42:06 [sbp]

00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <sbp> 00:35:15 <sbp> # and neither is this

00:42:06 [sbp]

00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <AaronSw> What're you writing? The xena logging function?

00:42:06 [sbp]

00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:59 <sbp> ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

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00:38:26 <sbp> ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

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]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

00:42:22 [AaronSw]

Recusion!

00:42:30 [sbp]

getting a nice little theme going there

00:43:45 [sbp]

.google KIF ANSI

00:43:46 [xena]

KIF ANSI: http://logic.stanford.edu/kif/dpans.html

00:43:54 [sbp]

.google RDF

00:43:55 [xena]

RDF: http://www.w3.org/RDF

00:46:31 [sbp]

sorry, the temptation is too great

00:46:39 [sbp]

[[[

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00:42:03 <sbp> [[[

00:46:41 [sbp]

00:42:06 <sbp> 00:38:19 <sbp> [[[

00:46:41 [sbp]

00:42:06 <sbp> 00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <sbp> [[[

00:46:41 [sbp]

00:42:06 <sbp> 00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <sbp> 00:35:10 <sbp> so # this isn't commented

00:46:41 [sbp]

00:42:06 <sbp> 00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <sbp> 00:35:15 <sbp> # and neither is this

00:46:41 [sbp]

00:42:06 <sbp> 00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:53 <AaronSw> What're you writing? The xena logging function?

00:46:43 [sbp]

00:42:06 <sbp> 00:38:21 <sbp> 00:36:59 <sbp> ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

00:46:45 [sbp]

00:42:08 <sbp> 00:38:26 <sbp> ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

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00:42:12 <sbp> ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

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]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-28.txt

00:46:53 [sbp]

there!

00:47:01 [AaronSw]

oh dear.

00:47:40 [sbp]

if you look at the logs sideways, they're like little mountains

00:48:43 [sbp]

when is Hannukah?

00:49:22 [AaronSw]

I don't know.

00:49:59 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

00:50:16 [sbp]

no wonder you keep missing the holidays

00:50:26 [sbp]

.google Hannukah dates 2001

00:50:27 [xena]

Hannukah dates 2001: http://www.holidayfestival.com/Bosnia.html

00:50:36 [sbp]

Um...

00:51:23 [sbp]

"10-17 Dec" according to that page

00:52:19 [sbp]

Gotta love Google

00:52:30 [AaronSw]

Yep...

00:52:33 [AaronSw]

Orbitz! What a scam

00:52:40 [AaronSw]

I go to buy a flight and they cancel it.

00:53:04 [sbp]

neat

00:54:30 [sbp]

* sbp brushed his hair back, and a piece of paper fell out

00:54:44 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

00:54:46 [sbp]

I think it was lodged up my sleeve

00:56:19 [AaronSw]

bwm is blocking my mail again!

00:57:16 [sbp]

how come?

00:58:08 [sbp]

heh, it's 1AM again

00:58:12 [AaronSw]

I don't know why...

00:58:51 [sbp]

as if it wasn't fun enough the first time around

00:59:34 [sbp]

why: the clocks went back

01:00:32 [AaronSw]

Heheheh.

01:03:02 [sbp]

must be confusing to people who have to record the time that they did things. Policement and so on

01:03:56 [AaronSw]

1AM #1

01:04:59 [sbp]

an hour earlier, at 1:07AM, I was offline, probably hacking about with some code, listening to Bob Dylan. An hour later, at 1:07AM again, I'm online chatting to you, watching a Webcast of something

01:05:11 [sbp]

which now seems to have broken

01:05:33 [AaronSw]

what was it of?

01:05:44 [sbp]

a Ghostwatch thing that's on over here

01:06:29 [sbp]

can't find the URI... so many pop up windows with no address bars, and JavaSCript

01:08:34 [sbp]

ooh, I could redesign my homepage again

01:09:22 [AaronSw]

aaah!

01:09:51 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

01:15:13 [sbp]

ah, kick-ass: http://www.wrox.co.uk/Books/Book_Details.asp?isbn=1861005539

01:16:51 [sbp]

that's two

01:17:38 [AaronSw]

no fair

01:18:05 [sbp]

:-)

01:19:08 [AaronSw]

sbp, how'd you fit the intern bits into the Node class?

01:19:45 [AaronSw]

Did you even test that code?

01:19:54 [sbp]

I just moved the functions over, and put them in __init__

01:19:54 [AaronSw]

def __init__(self, value, uni=None):

01:19:54 [AaronSw]

self.nodeList = {}

01:19:56 [AaronSw]

is broken

01:19:59 [sbp]

yes, I've tested it

01:20:03 [sbp]

well, it runs for me

01:20:11 [AaronSw]

I mean, it'll run, but it won't intern

01:20:39 [sbp]

oh... I may have commented that bit out actually. Figured, if it runs, then that's fine by me

01:20:47 [sbp]

it parses NTriples, so that'll do :-)

01:21:03 [sbp]

what did you need the dictionary for?

01:21:12 [AaronSw]

interning!

01:21:33 [AaronSw]

Now everytime you write Node('uri')

01:21:36 [AaronSw]

you get back a different node

01:23:23 [sbp]

ah

01:23:42 [AaronSw]

that's what interning solves

01:24:07 [sbp]

well, you can fix that

01:24:12 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:24:24 [AaronSw]

So you need a separate function to intern.

01:24:31 [AaronSw]

I _did_ fix it. It's fixed in the current code.

01:25:12 [AaronSw]

And what 'junk' gets back meaningful results?

01:25:30 [sbp]

e.g. submitting a node to a node. What's that about?

01:25:37 [sbp]

and it's not junk...

01:25:43 [AaronSw]

That works? Hmm...

01:25:58 [sbp]

it's junk from the Java point of view, which requires all input arguments to be typed. Ugh

01:27:03 [sbp]

honest, it does

01:27:16 [AaronSw]

I know it does...

01:27:23 [AaronSw]

Hmm, submitting a node to a node is junk.

01:27:46 [sbp]

yeah, it doesn't make much sense to me. But it doesn't particularly bother me

01:28:00 [tav]

hmzi

01:28:15 [sbp]

just enables people to do lax coding: putting in things that they don't understand, and wondering why they don't work when you remove the functionality

01:28:19 [sbp]

i.e. me :-)

01:28:42 [sbp]

Hi tav

01:28:56 [AaronSw]

Oh, submitting a node to node is correct.

01:29:02 [AaronSw]

it's for lax coders

01:29:29 [sbp]

let the lazy buggers do it the proper way

01:29:47 [AaronSw]

But I'm the lazy bugger!

01:30:09 [AaronSw]

Hmm... let me see...

01:31:44 [AaronSw]

See, I do this:

01:31:45 [AaronSw]

self.subject = node(s)

01:31:45 [AaronSw]

self.predicate = node(p)

01:31:45 [AaronSw]

self.object = node(o)

01:31:56 [sbp]

yeah, you lazy bugger

01:31:56 [AaronSw]

It's easier for me to do that rather than checking in all of my functions.

01:32:23 [sbp]

fine, but it makes porting a bit of a nightmare

01:32:39 [sbp]

then again, I guess you don't really want to port it anyway?

01:32:46 [AaronSw]

Well, I definitely do.

01:32:55 [sbp]

really?

01:32:56 [AaronSw]

But I think that part can be a special feature for lazy Py coders ;)

01:33:11 [AaronSw]

really: for sure, I want to take over the world in all languages, heh heh heh

01:33:20 [sbp]

well, if you want to port it, it would behoove you to make it really really really boring code, no shortcuts anywhere

01:33:39 [sbp]

because then people can just look through and employ the equivalent functions in their own language

01:33:58 [sbp]

if there *aren't* any equivalents, then they're stuffed, as I found out

01:34:11 [AaronSw]

Well, this'll just be a plus for Py programemrs then... you can leave it out.

01:34:31 [AaronSw]

Just like you'll leave out Namespace

01:34:38 [sbp]

well, that means remodelling the whole code, and it ends up being quite a bit different

01:34:38 [AaronSw]

and probably the u'...' stuff

01:34:49 [AaronSw]

remodelling? why?

01:34:54 [sbp]

no, I did namespace easily. It was about the only class that I could convert quickly

01:34:55 [AaronSw]

you just add some if statements here and there

01:35:09 [sbp]

no, because you're very lax in the typing department

01:35:20 [AaronSw]

where else?

01:35:20 [AaronSw]

namespace: oh? does it work in Java?

01:35:26 [sbp]

you allow things of any type to be passed to functions, and then decide what to do with it later

01:35:35 [sbp]

namespace: yeah; I had to feck with it a bit, but yeah

01:35:52 [sbp]

dc.term("subject") rather than dc.subject

01:35:56 [AaronSw]

Ahh, I see.

01:36:07 [sbp]

I could have done it the latter way, but it would have meant a lot more code

01:36:09 [AaronSw]

sorta defeats the purpose I'd think.

01:36:20 [AaronSw]

whatever.

01:36:30 [sbp]

it's easier than writing http://purl.org/dc/element/1.1/subject

01:36:38 [AaronSw]

but can't java concat strings?

01:36:51 [sbp]

yeah, it can concat strings

01:37:08 [AaronSw]

DC_NS + 'subject'

01:37:18 [sbp]

well, why didn't you just do that?

01:37:25 [AaronSw]

Because it's longer in Python

01:37:32 [AaronSw]

but it's shorter than your java contraption

01:37:54 [sbp]

DC+'subject' / dc.subject - not much difference. Two characters

01:37:54 [AaronSw]

But this is good.

01:38:11 [AaronSw]

But I might use Namespace to keep track on namespaces like cwm

01:38:20 [sbp]

good idea

01:38:25 [tav]

what you doing?

01:38:35 [AaronSw]

chatting about PlexRDF not in #plex!

01:38:44 [sbp]

paste it in later

01:38:45 [tav]

bad bad

01:38:47 [AaronSw]

I blame sbp for not being in #plex

01:38:53 [tav]

* tav slaps sbp

01:38:56 [AaronSw]

Namespace: But I'd need to know the prefix which I don't currently.

01:39:28 [sbp]

yeah

01:47:29 [AaronSw]

Am I the only one in #whyissourceforgedown ?

01:52:58 [GabeW]

no

01:53:07 [GabeW]

we are talking about it in #infoanarchy

01:53:10 [GabeW]

at least we aewre

02:03:56 [sbp]

.google Swahili tutorial

02:03:57 [xena]

Swahili tutorial: http://www.worldlanguage.com/Products/Swahili/Tutorial-Learning/Page1.htm

02:04:08 [GabeW]

anyway - need to run -ttyl

02:04:17 [sbp]

c'ya

02:04:40 [GabeW]

GabeW has quit

02:42:31 [sbp]

Hmm... I took the palm out, and it looks a bit bare now

02:42:57 [sbp]

the pool picture doesn't fit right, even when I reduce it

02:44:38 [sbp]

.google how to design a cool homepage

02:44:38 [xena]

how to design a cool homepage: http://www.coolhomepages.com

02:44:51 [sbp]

makes sense

02:45:54 [AaronSw]

Aww, the palm was cool.

02:46:06 [AaronSw]

Get atariboy to redesign it for you, heh heh

02:48:54 [sbp]

heh!

02:49:12 [sbp]

wasn't *that* cool; just a palm

02:51:49 [AaronSw]

Oh, but it was so much more.

02:51:59 [sbp]

how so?

02:52:14 [AaronSw]

I don't know!

02:52:24 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:52:38 [sbp]

I just need a little pissy logo, saying "SBP" or something

02:53:37 [AaronSw]

Ooh... that'd be cool.

02:56:51 [sbp]

well, my first attempt was shit, so...

02:58:52 [sbp]

Pffff: pick proper punctuation, pisshead

03:00:55 [sbp]

Aha: I should learn Welsh!

03:01:23 [sbp]

.google Welsh tutorial

03:01:24 [xena]

Welsh tutorial: http://www.cs.brown.edu/fun/welsh/Welsh.html

03:01:39 [sbp]

thank you xena

03:03:59 [sbp]

heh: "I do do that sometimes. Now, there's a thing." - http://users.comlab.ox.ac.uk/geraint.jones/about.welsh/

03:09:20 [sbp]

"One thing that is important to remember is that the pronunciation of Welsh varies widely between dialects." - http://www.cs.brown.edu/fun/welsh/Lesson01.html

03:09:23 [sbp]

oh, now you tell me

03:09:27 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

03:09:41 [AaronSw]

My former teach (very cool guy) Mr. Leesch learned Welsh for a trip there.

03:09:52 [AaronSw]

Odd language... he had us quiz him on it.

03:09:56 [sbp]

seems a good idea

03:10:03 [sbp]

'tis a wonderful language

03:10:22 [sbp]

I'm always taking the piss out of it's odd pronunciation, and a plethora of consonants...

03:10:33 [sbp]

but it's the oldest non-changed European language, I think

03:10:41 [sbp]

and it kicks-ass

03:10:49 [sbp]

s/it's/its/

03:11:45 [sbp]

good idea: ty+

03:11:58 [AaronSw]

So you know about this law that allows Englishman to kill Welsh folks after midnight?

03:12:08 [sbp]

er... no

03:12:27 [AaronSw]

My friend Ned was on about it for a while.. you can only shoot them with bows and arrows, I think.

03:12:44 [tav]

excellent!

03:13:05 [tav]

* tav starts sharpening up his arrowheads

03:13:22 [tav]

'tis fun to go hunt some of those sheep fuckers

03:16:25 [sbp]

after midnight?

03:18:43 [sbp]

* sbp totally gives up on pronouncing Welsh correctly, goes onto written...

03:21:43 [sbp]

* sbp totally gives up on writing Welsh correctly, goes back to hacking his homepage...

03:23:55 [sbp]

* sbp totally gives up on hacking his homepage, goes back to reading about Welsh...

03:24:22 [AaronSw]

Heh.

03:25:02 [sbp]

lol!

03:25:02 [sbp]

[[[

03:25:04 [sbp]

So far, so good. Now we come to the issue of answering the questions posed in the previous section. I wish I could just tell you the Welsh word for "yes", and then you could all go home feeling like you'd accomplished something. Unfortunately, Welsh does not have a word for "yes".

03:25:09 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.cs.brown.edu/fun/welsh/Lesson02.html

03:26:04 [sbp]

ah, now this is better information:-

03:26:05 [sbp]

[[[

03:26:06 [sbp]

I figure some of you guys are wondering how you can pick up a Welsh girl, if it's so complicated for her to figure out the right word to use to say "yes". But don't despair: it's equally difficult for her to say "no".

03:26:08 [sbp]

]]] - ibid.

03:29:21 [sbp]

aha, we can ban bNodes:-

03:29:23 [sbp]

[[[

03:29:24 [sbp]

The Welsh language thus proves the indefinite article to be superfluous by omitting it.

03:29:29 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.cs.brown.edu/fun/welsh/Lesson03.html

03:30:29 [AaronSw]

Cool.

04:17:42 [AaronSw]

This is an interesting error message on a website: "Unable to establish socket"

04:27:22 [oierw`]

:)

04:34:01 [sbp]

* sbp changes his 404 message to "Unable to establish the semantics of a Website"

04:34:36 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

04:34:43 [AaronSw]

Where's Morbus?

04:34:47 [AaronSw]

I want to whine about Eudora.

04:39:59 [sbp]

what's going on over here?

04:40:56 [AaronSw]

Not much...

04:41:07 [AaronSw]

I'm trying to get Eudora to work

04:41:08 [AaronSw]

and it isn't.

04:41:25 [sbp]

Good old Eudora

04:42:27 [AaronSw]

It says my password is wrong.

04:42:36 [sbp]

what is your password?

04:42:48 [AaronSw]

Heh heh heh.

04:42:53 [sbp]

aw, rats

04:43:32 [sbp]

* sbp bets that Aaron typed it out and then thought, "hang on a sec."

04:43:40 [AaronSw]

you wish

04:43:45 [sbp]

:-)

04:44:15 [sbp]

* sbp is writing a reply to the www-archive note

04:44:21 [sbp]

I've got: "Good idea, but why don't you call it something cool like, "Plex"."

04:44:53 [sbp]

then it'll look like I invented the name, y'see, and people will give me lots of money

04:45:06 [sbp]

anyway, who did come up with the name? Oh, tav

04:45:19 [sbp]

tav?

04:45:23 [sbp]

tav: bing

04:45:27 [AaronSw]

I think he did.

04:45:33 [sbp]

where did he get it from?

04:45:41 [tav]

i really shouldn't have told you guys about the bing

04:45:44 [tav]

please stop it

04:45:46 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh!

04:45:49 [sbp]

sorry...

04:45:58 [AaronSw]

But do tell us about the name

04:46:03 [tav]

the name?

04:46:10 [sbp]

yeah, exactly. at least it works :-)

04:46:14 [sbp]

Plex

04:46:18 [AaronSw]

<sbp> anyway, who did come up with the name? Oh, tav

04:46:18 [AaronSw]

<sbp> where did he get it from?

04:46:38 [tav]

i have been meaning to take over the internet for a long long time now

04:46:46 [tav]

and plex was the name

04:46:56 [tav]

there was even a portal called 'terraplex'

04:47:03 [sbp]

yeah, but what's its etymology?

04:47:10 [tav]

it's greek

04:47:17 [tav]

well, greek / latin

04:47:28 [AaronSw]

what's it mean?

04:47:30 [sbp]

er... to clarify, I meant its *recent* etymology

04:47:34 [tav]

plexus, meaning interwoven

04:47:41 [tav]

connected

04:47:48 [sbp]

mesh

04:48:04 [sbp]

interconnected/interpenetrated

04:48:11 [tav]

mesh refers to the actual network

04:48:15 [sbp]

so why did you think of it? when?

04:48:16 [tav]

plex moreso to the essence

04:48:27 [tav]

* tav wonders if that makes sense

04:48:31 [sbp]

yes

04:48:55 [sbp]

* sbp is still smiling about the "bing"

04:49:25 [tav]

plex? about 2 years ago, more in relationship to terraplex than anything else

04:49:46 [tav]

but, then as pecus, plexnames evolved, plex became much much more

04:49:53 [sbp]

is it you whom convinced Aaron to use the name?

04:50:04 [AaronSw]

No, I convinced him.

04:50:13 [sbp]

:-)

04:50:32 [sbp]

how? blackmail?

04:50:33 [AaronSw]

it's true!

04:50:35 [tav]

mesh, really came about when discussing the "plex" with oierw back this summer

04:50:38 [AaronSw]

err, not balckmail

04:50:54 [tav]

s/oierw/oierw+fenton

04:51:21 [sbp]

these logs will be gold for Plexorians

04:51:29 [AaronSw]

I wish I was at that discussion...

04:51:29 [tav]

hehe, yes, AaronSw convinced me re: using plex as the name itself

04:51:47 [tav]

we were looking for a name for the mesh / plex

04:51:48 [AaronSw]

Ugh, Eudora still has that old 80s beep?

04:51:57 [tav]

did we spend like 30 odd hours on it?

04:52:02 [tav]

or was it more?

04:52:15 [sbp]

can we have #swhack style logs for #plex, please?

04:52:28 [AaronSw]

What do you mean by #swhack-style?

04:52:34 [sbp]

i.e. decent logs

04:52:39 [AaronSw]

It was a lot of hours

04:52:42 [AaronSw]

What's wrong with the logs now?

04:52:48 [sbp]

plain text, available instantly, por favor

04:52:53 [tav]

yes, AaronSw's been asking for more powerful logging, xena will have it soon

04:53:07 [AaronSw]

this email is pretty close to plain text, don't you think?

04:53:10 [sbp]

but logster has it now

04:53:11 [AaronSw]

err s/email/html

04:53:18 [sbp]

html: not really

04:53:24 [AaronSw]

what's different?

04:53:28 [tav]

do you read the html source?

04:53:41 [sbp]

it's HTML. I like plain text

04:53:57 [tav]

plain text doesn't wrap

04:54:11 [tav]

but, whatever suits your preference

04:54:11 [sbp]

as an alternative, of course

04:54:13 [oierw`]

sbp: and all our names are in them! :)

04:54:21 [sbp]

:-)

04:54:32 [tav]

urgh

04:54:45 [tav]

yet another discussion away from #plex

04:54:49 [AaronSw]

oierw`, huh?

04:54:58 [oierw`]

err...

04:55:17 [sbp]

just a quality control thing... I find that I won't bother using the plex IRC logs in the state they're in now, cause I can't be bothered to find them, download them, and then read them...

04:55:31 [sbp]

yeah, sorry: I was going to go to bed, but found something else to do

04:55:58 [oierw`]

hmm. i may have been just imagining things

04:56:28 [oierw`]

* oierw` may be delusional

04:56:34 [oierw`]

hopefully noone will ever find that out

04:56:47 [sbp]

you have deluded yourself into thinking that you are delusional

04:57:16 [oierw`]

perhaps :)

04:57:34 [sbp]

well, y'never know

04:57:56 [sbp]

anyway, thanks for chatting guys

04:58:02 [sbp]

Gotta run

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06:00:07 [AaronSw]

Interesting rDNS:

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*** cafeole (cafeole@comp.os.linux.advocacy) has joined the channel

14:11:26 [AaronSw]

Heh heh, my automated email got hit by the time switch:

14:11:42 [AaronSw]

It sent me three emails...

14:13:00 [AaronSw]

err, two really

14:38:03 [BenSw]

.time cst

14:38:03 [xena]

Oct. 28, 2001 8:39 am US/Central

14:39:58 [BenSw]

.time cst

14:39:59 [xena]

Oct. 28, 2001 8:41 am US/Central

14:40:26 [BenSw]

.time cst

14:40:27 [xena]

Oct. 28, 2001 8:41 am US/Central

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16:52:23 [sbp]

Aaron, are you there?

16:52:33 [AaronSw]

Oh, hi there.

16:52:40 [sbp]

I'm trying to convert query.py over to RDF API

16:52:46 [sbp]

and making good progress

16:52:51 [AaronSw]

Great!

16:52:53 [sbp]

but I'm stuck on one point

16:53:01 [AaronSw]

I'm trying to write down this freaky dream I had last night...

16:53:07 [sbp]

with SWIPT, you do triple[S]

16:53:13 [sbp]

freaky dream?

16:53:23 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I'll explain in a bit.

16:53:29 [AaronSw]

triple[S] returns subject?

16:53:30 [sbp]

with RDFAPI, you do triple.subject (which is annoying: I'd perfer triple.s)

16:53:33 [sbp]

yes

16:53:47 [sbp]

now, I have a function that has two lists sent to it

16:53:52 [AaronSw]

I can add triple.s as a synonym, I guess.

16:53:58 [sbp]

s(a, b)

16:54:16 [sbp]

a, b = [S, P], [O]

16:54:31 [sbp]

so I can do stuff like triple[a[0]]

16:54:39 [sbp]

however, with RDF API I can't do that

16:55:15 [sbp]

so... help!

16:55:20 [AaronSw]

what's s do with these lists?

16:55:41 [sbp]

it does cool matching stuff

16:55:56 [sbp]

the function is non writable: it would make the code about (literally) ten time longer

16:56:06 [sbp]

s/writable/re-writable/

16:56:15 [sbp]

s/time/times/

16:56:40 [AaronSw]

Umm... can't you do:

16:56:56 [AaronSw]

getattr(triple, a[0]) ?

16:57:05 [AaronSw]

s/getattr/getitem/

16:57:13 [sbp]

ah, and pass it 'subject'

16:57:17 [AaronSw]

yep

16:57:25 [sbp]

or rather, S = 'subject' # etc.

16:57:28 [AaronSw]

Exactly

16:57:30 [sbp]

neat. Cheers :-)

16:57:36 [sbp]

now, what about that dream?

16:57:50 [AaronSw]

I had the weirdest dream last night...

16:57:50 [AaronSw]

It was announced on TV that another plane had been hijacked, so we all huddled around to watch.

16:57:59 [AaronSw]

I guess they had prepared after the last attacks and they were able to find out who the hijacker was. And it turned out to be...

16:58:14 [AaronSw]

danbri.

16:58:23 [AaronSw]

I just couldn't believe it... he seemed like such a nice guy and everything....

16:58:33 [AaronSw]

I cried and cried and screamed on IRC and stuff...

16:58:53 [AaronSw]

and sandro was on IRC and he was just stunned.

16:59:00 [sbp]

Yes. That is indeed a very weird dream!

16:59:15 [AaronSw]

And some other stuff happened which I don't remember... I was worried about how I would go on like this.

16:59:27 [AaronSw]

And then I woke up and was relieved to find out it wasn't true.

16:59:47 [AaronSw]

But it wasn't really a nightmare... I wasn't scared... it was just sad.

17:00:03 [AaronSw]

I think I should ask danbri about it.

17:00:14 [sbp]

you'll scare the shit out of him!

17:00:33 [AaronSw]

Heh, he'll probably be like: shoot! my plans are ruined.

17:00:39 [sbp]

heh, heh

17:03:38 [sbp]

* sbp carefully continues to port code

17:04:12 [sbp]

this code relies on interning, BTW

17:05:29 [AaronSw]

See, interning is good. :)

17:05:34 [sbp]

yeah :-)

17:06:07 [sbp]

ugh, I'm going to hate debugging this.... *please* let it run first time!

17:06:21 [AaronSw]

heh heh heh.

17:06:28 [AaronSw]

At least this time I can help.

17:06:48 [sbp]

yeah

17:07:30 [sbp]

BTW, this is just a simple query engine. I've decided that at least the bug is regular enough to explain it as "lacking a feature"

17:07:55 [sbp]

once it matches a triple, it removes it, so you can't do queries involving multiple queries on one triple

17:08:42 [AaronSw]

Hmm.

17:09:44 [sbp]

but, I mean, it worked for all my test cases

17:09:57 [sbp]

so that type of querying can't be *that* important... can it? :-)

17:10:10 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

17:11:55 [sbp]

Hmm... something's gone oddly wrong here

17:16:26 [AaronSw]

Translate this from Welsh:

17:16:26 [AaronSw]

[15:48:10] <oierw> dp,romr yr;; sminod yjsy jr vsm ,rddshr yjr npy ejrm jr esmyd yp gomf piy yjr ersyjrt

17:16:27 [AaronSw]

Heh.

17:17:01 [sbp]

:-)

17:17:31 [sbp]

yr is "of", I think, coincedentally

17:17:47 [sbp]

yeah... of

17:19:50 [sbp]

heh, heh:-

17:19:50 [sbp]

def dosomethingfunny(self, label, x):

17:19:57 [sbp]

me and my function names :-)

17:20:23 [AaronSw]

Hrh

17:20:25 [AaronSw]

err jej

17:20:26 [AaronSw]

err heh

17:20:56 [sbp]

how do I remove a dictionary entry if it's subject is x, and value is y?

17:21:21 [sbp]

oh, I've got it

17:21:37 [sbp]

if dic[x] == y: del dic[x]

17:21:40 [sbp]

yes?

17:22:03 [AaronSw]

yep

17:26:08 [sbp]

right, let's run it...

17:30:32 [tav]

* tav pokes sbp

17:30:41 [sbp]

crap, you can

17:30:50 [sbp]

you can't se something using getitem

17:30:53 [sbp]

oh, fine, fine

17:31:06 [sbp]

can't we move #plex to OPN?

17:31:11 [AaronSw]

Pleeease?

17:31:48 [tav]

does it really hurt that much to be on multiple irc servers?

17:31:58 [tav]

my problem is i have a limit of 20 channels....

17:32:11 [AaronSw]

Oh? that sucks

17:32:14 [tav]

or rather the irc server has a limit

17:32:33 [tav]

we can get rid of such limits of esp, but can't do that here

17:34:29 [AaronSw]

I just joined 20 channels just fine

17:34:46 [AaronSw]

oh, well 21

17:34:52 [AaronSw]

but no more than that or i get an error

17:35:49 [AaronSw]

Well, perhaps we can mirror the two channels?

17:36:31 [tav]

yes, we can do that

17:36:35 [tav]

link them up

17:36:50 [tav]

get greaper to do that

17:37:03 [tav]

maya and anarchy can talk to each other

17:37:05 [AaronSw]

Is it an eggdrop feature or something?

17:37:16 [tav]

there's an eggdrop module for it

17:45:13 [AaronSw]

tav, another solution to your too-many-channels problem is to run a bouncer.

17:45:28 [tav]

?

17:45:36 [AaronSw]

and have tav visit 20 channels and tav` visit another 20

17:46:10 [AaronSw]

OPN will see the two bouncers as two diff users and won't cause a fuss

17:46:10 [tav]

i already do that

17:46:23 [tav]

except tav` sometimes forgets to join

17:46:55 [AaronSw]

tav and tav`` seem to have an awful lot of overlap

17:47:05 [AaronSw]

if you run bouncers on mu2 then they should stay pretty solid

17:47:07 [tav]

thats tav``

17:47:29 [AaronSw]

what is?

17:47:52 [tav]

who overlaps with tav

17:48:08 [AaronSw]

Oh, tav` forgot to join

17:48:13 [AaronSw]

why does it forget to join?

17:48:26 [tav]

mostly because opn kills my multiple connections

17:48:33 [tav]

or bersirc fucks up

17:48:41 [tav]

because it joins so many networks / channels

17:48:44 [AaronSw]

hmm

17:48:49 [tav]

anyways, whois tav tav` tav``

17:49:29 [AaronSw]

I did.

17:49:39 [AaronSw]

tav` is mia

17:49:44 [AaronSw]

oh, now he's back

17:51:26 [tav]

see my problem?

17:51:41 [tav]

yes, i could join less channels, but i like to monitor a lot of interesting projects

17:56:41 [sbp]

Gotta run

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20:27:43 [AaronSw]

hi sbp

20:27:50 [AaronSw]

did you see the link we set up in #plex?

20:29:40 [sbp]

ah, there you are...

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Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw tav BenSw tav`` deltab xena oierw`

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22:17:54 [AaronSw]

LOL! Someone just pointed me to http://www.weatherinnorwegian.com/ -- "Better Weather, Less Clothes"

22:20:24 [AaronSw]

Weird...

22:29:42 [sbp]

heh, heh!

23:45:21 [AaronSw]

Why'd you leave?

23:50:12 [AaronSw]

sbp?

23:50:33 [sbp]

sorry, my keyboard was getting sticky unwrapping a sweet and typing

23:50:38 [sbp]

plus you were driving me nuts

23:50:45 [AaronSw]

Sorry.

23:50:45 [sbp]

* sbp wipes off his keyboard

23:50:56 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:50:58 [AaronSw]

I didn't mean to drive you nuts.

23:51:07 [sbp]

w

23:51:13 [sbp]

oops

23:51:20 [sbp]

it's really sticky now!

23:51:23 [AaronSw]

Heh.

23:51:28 [sbp]

don't worry: I'm always kinda nus :-)

23:51:31 [sbp]

er... nuts

23:51:53 [AaronSw]

Can you perhaps explain why you always create internal functions you only call once?

23:52:08 [sbp]

er... we should do this in Plex...

23:52:16 [AaronSw]

Yes, we should.