IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-21

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00:13:44 [davb]
hazmat: you can usually buy a cd with that stuff, or get a subscription to one, if the client needs it.
00:36:21 [davb]
argh.
00:37:06 [davb]
Can anyone recommend something else for a couple of domains with virtual domains (email addresses don't have to be users) IMAP and POP3?
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00:54:30 [ElectricElf]
Moo.
00:54:31 [jim]
Hi Elf...
00:54:31 [ElectricElf]
Hey jim, what's up?
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00:55:23 [jim]
lessee...
00:56:03 [jim]
http://aduni.org
00:56:30 [ElectricElf]
Heh, ArsDigita :)
00:56:30 [davb]
hmmm ... no chump?
00:57:31 [jim]
trying to demo that chumpy thing :P
00:58:55 [ElectricElf]
jim: So? :)
00:58:56 [davb]
should be right back...
00:58:56 [davb]
ok...
00:59:02 [jim]
hmm, no ping reply
00:59:02 [ElectricElf]
Ah, chump's a bot eh?
00:59:02 [jim]
yeah
00:59:03 [ElectricElf]
Cool.
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00:59:07 [davb]
I restarted it.
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00:59:20 [davb]
ah
00:59:22 [davb]
chump view
00:59:22 [jim]
ok, elf... check this out
00:59:22 [ElectricElf]
Will do.
00:59:22 [ElectricElf]
* ElectricElf waits
00:59:22 [jim]
http://aduni.org
00:59:23 [chump]
A: http://aduni.org from jim
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00:59:33 [ElectricElf]
Well, I get the idea ;)
00:59:34 [ElectricElf]
jim: You think non-prefixed addressing could work in a channel like #debian?
00:59:34 [jim]
no, definitely not
00:59:34 [ElectricElf]
Ahh :)
00:59:34 [ElectricElf]
I didn't think so either.
00:59:35 [ElectricElf]
So, the moral? :) Enlighten me, I'm slow.
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00:59:35 [jim]
but the thing about chump is that the links get added to an sql
00:59:35 [ElectricElf]
Aaaah...
00:59:36 [davb]
they do? :)
00:59:36 [jim]
lemme see if he still remembers the link
00:59:36 [ElectricElf]
http://aduni.org
00:59:36 [chump]
B: http://aduni.org from ElectricElf
01:00:16 [davb]
A:
01:00:16 [ElectricElf]
http://aduni.org is a web site
01:00:16 [chump]
C: http://aduni.org from ElectricElf
01:01:15 [chump]
http://aduni.org
01:01:44 [jim]
A:|ArsDigita university's alumnus'
01:01:44 [chump]
titled item A
01:02:36 [davb]
it stuffs the URLs into an XML file. it does not remember them after it rolls the file at the end of the day.
01:02:36 [ElectricElf]
jim: Without a way to associate data with a link(in the form of an explanation), it needs
01:02:36 [ElectricElf]
There it is. :)
01:03:37 [ElectricElf]
A:
01:03:37 [chump]
http://aduni.org
01:03:37 [chump]
ArsDigita university's alumnus'
01:03:37 [jim]
A:|ArsDigita university's alumnus' site
01:03:37 [chump]
titled item A
01:03:37 [jim]
A:
01:03:37 [chump]
http://aduni.org
01:03:37 [chump]
ArsDigita university's alumnus' site
01:03:38 [jim]
oic
01:03:38 [ElectricElf]
jim: That can be a useful feature.
01:03:38 [ElectricElf]
jim: I would tend to prefer the use of factoids, though, in the form of a url.
01:03:38 [ElectricElf]
(like a factoids which was named "http://aduni.org")
01:03:40 [davb]
Well all the XML is there, it could be made to look in it :)
01:03:40 [jim]
that behavior could be altered to directly post to an sql, and a web site could show the link in some pretty form, forexample... you were /noticed by chanserv when you joined, take a look at that
01:03:40 [jim]
then open up the blog url
01:03:40 [ElectricElf]
Just did ;)
01:03:40 [ElectricElf]
Okay, now, that's somewhat useful.
01:03:40 [jim]
so that's what chump/blog does
01:03:40 [ElectricElf]
What I would do, though, would be to query the SQL factoid database for all factoids which start with http:// and work from there.
01:03:40 [jim]
thanks guys :)
01:03:40 [davb]
there is XSLT magic on the server to generate the pages.
01:03:40 [davb]
np
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01:51:31 [talli]
hi everyone
01:51:31 [jim]
hi
01:53:10 [talli]
hey jim
01:53:10 [talli]
how's your nsperl project coming along?
01:54:22 [jim]
I looked at it about a week ago...
01:54:26 [talli]
you should speak with todd gillespie (or denshi as he is known around here)
01:54:26 [talli]
he's building nsruby
01:54:27 [talli]
dunno if you guys would combust upon breathing the same air though, since he thinks that ruby is a better perl and you may think that ruby is a bastardized perl
01:54:27 [talli]
but i think that you're both tryin' to do the same thing
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03:56:51 [Psychephylax]
hey
03:56:55 [Psychephylax]
who's awake?
04:56:20 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
05:08:38 [davb]
hi
05:12:09 [Psychephylax]
Hey
05:12:11 [Psychephylax]
look who's awake
05:12:12 [Psychephylax]
lol
05:12:16 [Psychephylax]
It's mista dave
05:12:18 [Psychephylax]
*sigh*
05:12:24 [Psychephylax]
my clock on this computer is fast
05:12:29 [Psychephylax]
it's off by 15 minutes
05:12:33 [Psychephylax]
brb
05:16:20 [Psychephylax]
bah
05:16:29 [Psychephylax]
anyone know how to adjust the time properly?
05:19:31 [Psychephylax]
yay
05:29:05 [Psychephylax]
oh well, dave went to bed
05:29:07 [Psychephylax]
so will I
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06:47:59 [jim]
look into ntp
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15:48:44 [Psychephylax]
Morning everyone
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15:49:45 [Psychephylax]
:-D
15:49:50 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax kicks Davew
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c/Davew/Dave
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16:04:10 [Psychephylax]
hey vinod
16:04:41 [vinod]
hey Psychephylax
16:04:48 [Psychephylax]
:)
16:04:52 [Psychephylax]
how goes the ACS world?
16:05:18 [vinod]
round and round
16:05:22 [Psychephylax]
lol
16:05:24 [vinod]
won't let me off :-)
16:05:34 [vinod]
how goes the post-grad world?
16:05:51 [Psychephylax]
Eh
16:05:53 [Psychephylax]
crappy?
16:05:55 [Psychephylax]
Need a job
16:05:59 [dlk]
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16:06:24 [vinod]
me too
16:07:24 [vinod]
just got a spam message from a physician recruiter trying to get me to go to western illinois
16:07:54 [vinod]
Quincy, IL was rated as the 57th best small "arts" town.
16:08:34 [vinod]
who would advertise that they were 57th best?
16:08:36 [Psychephylax]
lol
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16:18:56 [talli]
hey everyone
16:18:59 [talli]
happy MLK day
16:19:11 [talli]
for those of you interested in rememberance...
16:19:11 [talli]
http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/
16:19:11 [chump]
D: http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/ from talli
16:19:23 [vinod]
hey talli
16:20:37 [docwolf]
the biggest dragonfly i've ever seen in my life is sitting on my patio.
16:20:38 [docwolf]
and i am afraid.
16:23:09 [docwolf]
this place must have been built on top of a nuclear waste dump, or something.
16:23:43 [vinod]
haha
16:24:07 [vinod]
just think - you could have superpowers in a few years
16:24:19 [docwolf]
hehe
16:24:24 [docwolf]
call me wolverine
16:24:31 [vinod]
lol
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17:07:59 [denshi]
Would my hubris rise too high if I were to design a new language?
17:08:27 [talli]
denshi: yes. a lot
17:08:34 [denshi]
loggy, how was your weekend?
17:09:01 [loggy]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'how was your weekend'
17:09:02 [loggy]
0) 2002-01-21 17:08:34 <denshi> loggy, how was your weekend?
17:09:06 [denshi]
But is super mutant hubris a bad thing, necessarily?
17:09:34 [talli]
loggy took me out on the town this weekend. i was his wingman. i learned alot from observing his ways with the women.
17:09:54 [markd2]
heh
17:10:01 [markd2]
go ahead and design a new language
17:10:04 [markd2]
it'd be cool
17:10:50 [talli]
denshi: you're hubris quotient would not go up due to the languae per se
17:11:24 [talli]
but because of the true motivation of such an endeavor: a pathological desire to develop a greenspun-esque cult that would refer to you as "Gilly"
17:12:24 [denshi]
hahahaaaaa rotflmao
17:13:01 [vinod]
* vinod starts searching for a winnebago for denshi
17:16:21 [docwolf]
dragonfly is still out there. mocking me.
17:16:58 [denshi]
* denshi mocks docwolf.
17:17:17 [talli]
does the dragonfly have a name?
17:17:40 [vinod]
* vinod thinks docwolf has been drinking too much of his health drinks
17:18:40 [talli]
does it have a little japanese boy in liederhosen with him who is capable of telepathic communication with the mutant flying monster? perhaps the child is arguing with a cabal of government scientists intent upon turning the dragon fly into a powerful military weapon?
17:18:52 [talli]
isn't that what happens in boca?
17:19:43 [talli]
ciao ciao ciao
17:20:25 [talli]
* talli is away: paranoia
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17:38:24 [denshi]
* denshi is adding widely disperate items to his amazon wishlist. He is trying to snap amazon's little mind.
17:39:17 [denshi]
* denshi thinks that with enough bizarre items, he can construct the personalization engine Unity Vector.
17:40:37 [denshi]
so is anyone still here, and has a fetish for languages?
17:41:53 [markd2]
I'm still here
17:42:03 [markd2]
but I don't have a lanaguage fetish
17:42:21 [Psychephylax]
it's Mark
17:42:23 [Psychephylax]
everyone hide
17:42:53 [denshi]
I've sketched out a design for a language with explicit multi-user constructs.
17:43:37 [denshi]
If you consider language design to be an exercise in controlling what a programmer can write, I want to design a language that controls MU permissions violations.
17:45:22 [denshi]
It's probably not a workable scheme, but it'd be nice to put the idea in the field.
17:45:28 [markd2]
interesting
17:45:33 [markd2]
puts a new spin on the whole language concept
17:46:56 [denshi]
has anyone ever seen a language like that?
17:47:11 [denshi]
I looked and looked but never saw anything like that.
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17:51:28 [markd2]
it steps beyond the traditional bounds of what a language is
17:53:09 [denshi]
I like languages extending their bounds.
17:53:27 [denshi]
Paul Graham pointed out that Perl is useful in the larger sense for two reasons:
17:53:55 [denshi]
1) it broke all the rules, and found some cool ideas in the resulting mess.
17:54:46 [denshi]
2) before, a language was just a spec. Now it's a spec, a free high quality interpreter, an active community, a large library, frequent updates, and extensive documentation.
17:54:58 [denshi]
...and that's where the bar remains.
17:55:57 [markd2]
* markd2 bellies up to the bar
17:57:30 [denshi]
* denshi thinks it's time for the first guiness of the day. It is noon after all.
17:59:27 [markd2]
vinod, you awake?
17:59:40 [denshi]
* denshi is disconcerted that amazon is not collapsing as fast as he had hoped. He was hoping to find the equivalent error message as from the C bounds checker, lint, "lint's little mind is blown."
18:00:02 [markd2]
I never really liked lint
18:00:05 [markd2]
gcc -Wall was much better
18:00:37 [denshi]
gcc never had entertaining error messages.
18:00:48 [markd2]
Apple's MPW C had the best error messages
18:01:21 [markd2]
http://www.ralentz.com/old/mac/humor/mpw-c-errors.html
18:01:21 [chump]
E: http://www.ralentz.com/old/mac/humor/mpw-c-errors.html from markd2
18:01:36 [markd2]
E:| Real error messages from the Mac MPW C compiler
18:01:36 [chump]
titled item E
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18:01:56 [markd2]
I got the "too many errors on one line (make fewer)" all too often
18:02:08 [denshi]
cute. I like the errors that come out of the Perl config & install.
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[Global notice] Hi all. Ongoing network announcements may be found on WALLOPS, including a pending request for assistance with the dancer-ircd code base.
18:43:30 [lilo]
[Global notice] To see wallops, one of the following commands may be used, depending on your client: "/umode +w", "/mode <yournick> +w", "/quote mode <yournick> +w", "/raw mode <yournick> +w" .... thanks.
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19:10:21 [Psychephylax]
Hey hey hey who's awake?
19:10:22 [Psychephylax]
:-)
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19:41:30 [markd2]
I'm awake
19:42:46 [Psychephylax]
heh
19:42:48 [Psychephylax]
not I
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21:33:21 [jim]
talli: ok, I'll talk to todd
21:33:36 [jim]
tnx
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21:35:24 [markd2]
wheee
21:38:31 [vinod]
* vinod wakes up
21:38:39 [vinod]
did someone mention guinness?
21:39:05 [markd2]
mmmm... a pint of bread
21:39:14 [markd2]
* markd2 toured the Guinness factory in Dublin
21:39:40 [vinod]
cool! how was that?
21:40:31 [markd2]
pretty cool
21:40:38 [vinod]
the guinness tastes better in london than here, but i've never been to dublin
21:40:49 [markd2]
it was even better in dublin :-)
21:40:54 [vinod]
haha
21:41:00 [markd2]
they had the Tasting Room right before the Gift SHop
21:41:10 [markd2]
so you stagger bombed out of your skull and spend lots of money on junk
21:41:12 [vinod]
smart thinkers
21:41:12 [markd2]
very nicely done
21:42:41 [vinod]
we finally got some snow to play with here in bahstan
21:43:12 [vinod]
haven't seen any snowpeople that could match yours yet though
21:45:57 [markd2]
:-)
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Hello
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23:28:59 [beattiek]
anyone around?
23:49:41 [talli]
hey
23:50:22 [talli]
what is the command for compressing files?
23:50:32 [davb]
gzip?
23:50:39 [davb]
tar first though
23:50:42 [davb]
hi beattiek :)
23:50:57 [talli]
yes, but should there be a long and horrible cascade of gibberish once i do so?
23:51:21 [davb]
no that I am aware of. UNIX commands return nothing if they are sucessful.
23:51:37 [davb]
if it didn't like you command it will probably spit out the help.
23:51:47 [talli]
yes, well i think that i may be destroying my server AND my desktop simply by typing gzip -z POH.tar
23:51:51 [talli]
shouldn't that work/
23:51:53 [talli]
?
23:52:02 [davb]
yeah, I think so...
23:52:26 [davb]
it should just go back to the prompt and POH.tar will disappear and be replaced by POH.tar.gz
23:52:59 [talli]
anyway, thanks
23:53:16 [talli]
i just needed to do gzip POH.tar
23:53:44 [talli]
for some reason, though, it screwed things up earlier. oh well... next time i hopefully won't destroy anything
23:56:36 [davb]
np.