IRC log of openacs on 2001-09-07

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topic is: Welcome to the topic? What topic? channel http://openacs.org
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Users on #openacs: loggy markd2 davb AaronSw strainmaker GEM rbm shagster abbaJ chump
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00:09:34 [rbm]
anyone done credit card authentication stuff?
00:10:04 [markd2]
I sorta half-configured the cybercash module once a long time ago
00:10:15 [markd2]
I guess in this industry that makes me an expert :-)
00:10:16 [rbm]
didn't cybercash go under though?
00:10:36 [markd2]
it's probably lurching along in life-support
00:13:12 [markd2]
you done any e-commerce inventory management stuff?
00:15:35 [rbm]
not really
00:15:39 [rbm]
sorry :(
00:15:46 [markd2]
I'll forgive you this time :-)
00:15:53 [markd2]
this is my delimma:
00:16:07 [markd2]
the wife wants to put her stichery shop online, and wants the ecommerce part to know about inventory
00:16:16 [rbm]
ok
00:16:19 [markd2]
so if someone orders 5 stork scissors and we just have 4, it'll let the customer know
00:16:29 [markd2]
and we don't currently have an inventory management system
00:16:36 [rbm]
Can'
00:16:48 [rbm]
Can't you user the ecommerce module to manage your inventory then?
00:17:09 [markd2]
it's the hook up to the invoice creation and accounting stuff that's the interesting part
00:17:12 [rbm]
s/user/use/
00:17:16 [rbm]
oh
00:17:21 [markd2]
she's currently using Quickbooks for the mac, but not the inventory stuff
00:17:25 [rbm]
Gotcha.
00:17:30 [markd2]
I was wondering what Real Folks are doing (if anything at all)
00:17:39 [markd2]
not many (any?) ecommerce sites I've seen deal with this issue
00:17:55 [markd2]
but that could be the "$19.99 a month ecommerce hosting!" rightfully not wanting to deal with it
00:18:02 [markd2]
since I own the box, I can't use that excuse :-)
00:18:12 [rbm]
heheh
00:18:47 [rbm]
I don't think there's a way to address that easily. You could perhaps have the website write and read .qif files
00:19:08 [rbm]
But that wouldn't be real-time
00:19:11 [markd2]
is that the squickbooks interchange format?
00:19:17 [markd2]
is it documented?
00:19:18 [rbm]
Can quickbooks talk to a database?
00:19:34 [rbm]
markd2: I guess it is. It's what quicken uses.
00:19:52 [rbm]
I have to head out. bbl
00:20:32 [markd2]
l8r
00:44:53 [davb]
Hi markd2
00:44:59 [davb]
Good questions.
00:45:48 [davb]
I think ecommerce can keep track of the amount of stuff you have sold.
00:46:04 [davb]
The easy way is to build a web interface and she can enter orders into that. One application.
00:47:48 [markd2]
* markd2 nods
00:48:23 [davb]
You could export the data back to quickbooks probably for accounting, taxes etc.
00:49:01 [davb]
I worked on one ecommerce, but never finished it. The client didn't use ecommerce to keep track of inventory.
00:50:31 [markd2]
was it going to be an automated "we sold XYZ, take it out of inventory"?
00:50:38 [markd2]
or a manual system to sync inventory with the stuff sold?
00:51:22 [davb]
None really. If she ran out, she would have to make the product unavailable.
00:51:37 [davb]
We probably would have addressed it, but the project basically was cancelled.
00:53:04 [davb]
There's no table to store inventory status. ec_items keeps track of how many are ordered, shipped, returned etc...
00:53:19 [davb]
I'm looking at ecommerce 3.x
00:54:19 [markd2]
we'll probably base it on FurFly's ecommerce thing for 4.x
00:54:29 [markd2]
I want to use the 4.x world - had enough of 3.x :-)
00:54:33 [davb]
I wonder if thats the one in OpenACS...
00:55:07 [davb]
Anyway. The only system I am aware of imports status a couple of times a day from another database.
00:56:16 [davb]
I wonder if you could interface back to quickbooks via ODBC or something... probably wishful thinking.
00:56:33 [markd2]
ok
00:56:37 [markd2]
good to know
00:56:48 [markd2]
luckily she's a very small shop, so won't be a lot of buisness to start out with
00:56:51 [davb]
It depends on volume.
00:57:02 [davb]
They sold over 1000 items they didn't have one day...
00:59:20 [davb]
This is the holy grail of ecommerce you know...
01:19:04 [davb]
Oh yeah.
01:22:02 [davb]
markd2 it looks like the windows version of quickbooks handles importing better than Mac.
01:22:33 [markd2]
* markd2 sighs
01:22:50 [davb]
sorry...
01:23:14 [davb]
It is very difficult to even know the Mac version exists.
01:24:40 [davb]
Anyway there is an IIF format. Intuit Interchange which allows you to import transactions into quickbooks. So you could take the orders on the web site,
01:24:47 [davb]
and handle payments in quickbooks.
01:25:05 [davb]
But I can't seem to find if Quickbooks for Mac supports this.
01:31:38 [markd2]
the spousal overunit is chatting with the accountant this week to see what they suggest
01:31:46 [markd2]
since they'll be the ones pawing through the resulting mess :-)
01:32:01 [davb]
Right.
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01:45:19 [talli]
hey guys
01:45:26 [davb]
HI talli.
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02:14:45 [AaronSw]
Hi talli.
02:17:31 [talli]
hey aaron
02:18:18 [talli]
ok, gotta go
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02:18:27 [AaronSw]
Pff, that was fast.
02:19:03 [markd2]
probably some hula girls walking by
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02:47:13 [davb]
Yeah, I am back to where I started fiddling with the kernel
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05:49:20 [markd2]
hey!
05:49:24 [markd2]
looks like you're up late
05:49:30 [markd2]
(or early as the case may be :-)
05:56:52 [vinod]
i never sleep. sleep is for wimps
05:58:01 [vinod]
how did the site launch go?
05:58:50 [vinod]
it sure looks pretty!
06:02:21 [vinod]
ok, gotta go to sleep now :-)
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12:05:27 [davb]
Hi
12:05:48 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline http://openacs.org
12:13:41 [markd2]
grettings
12:20:17 [shagster]
morning, evening, etc.
12:23:13 [markd2]
* markd2 makeas appropriate time-neutral greetings
12:25:06 [davb]
We need a time-zone neutral greeting. How about a new word?
12:25:54 [davb]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-rpc/message/3579
12:25:54 [chump]
A: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-rpc/message/3579 from davb
12:26:08 [davb]
A:|ns_xmlrpc and OpenACS on the XMLRPC mailing list
12:26:08 [chump]
titled item A
12:28:26 [markd2]
how abot 'flargle'
12:28:40 [markd2]
or do the alex thing, since He's on the logo
12:28:42 [markd2]
WOOF!
12:28:47 [markd2]
* markd2 sniffs people's butts
12:28:50 [markd2]
WOOF!
12:29:27 [davb]
MS is evil. If I type say "openacs.org" in the address bar. it pretends not to know what I am talking about.
12:29:53 [davb]
It used to add an http:// but now it goes to MSN and says "you are too stupid to type in the right URL, we'll find it for you"
12:30:21 [davb]
or maybe the site's down...
12:30:48 [markd2]
nope - it's there
12:30:49 [markd2]
in all of its glory
12:31:02 [davb]
oh, just not for me. Roadrunner apparently is sucking today.
12:31:11 [shagster]
davb: how do you know a microsoft product is PRETENDING to not know something? :)
12:31:52 [markd2]
heh
12:32:45 [davb]
I only say that because it used to work. I didn't even change my browser. That's the spooky part.
12:33:05 [davb]
* davb thinks about downloading Mozilla or Opera onto the work machine.
12:33:12 [rbm]
* rbm stumbles out of bed at 6:30 AM (MST) for his (cruel) 7:30 AM class
12:33:33 [davb]
Can't be a CS class, they would know better :)
12:36:25 [rbm]
It's a business class
12:36:39 [shagster]
a 7:30AM class, there should be laws :)
12:36:43 [rbm]
classes at 7:30 are simply cruel. very cruel.
12:37:17 [rbm]
and it's cold outside, which makes it even harder to want to get up.
12:37:27 [rbm]
winter is showing up earlier this year.
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13:48:18 [shagster]
* shagster ponders actually doing any work today
13:48:22 [shagster]
* shagster . o O ( NAH! )
13:48:46 [davb]
* davb wishes someone would give him some work to do...
13:49:04 [shagster]
[to davb] I need my windows clean :)
13:49:11 [shagster]
* shagster ducks
13:49:23 [davb]
OK, I'll be there in 9 hours...
13:49:29 [shagster]
heh
13:50:15 [davb]
Has anyone read CSS: The Definitive Guide?
13:50:34 [shagster]
I've been meaning to, maybe i'll do that today
13:51:12 [davb]
Let me know if its any good.
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* davb is cheap so he reads Eric Meyer's articles on oreillynet.com instead of buying his book
13:56:32 [shagster]
I just read it in the bookstore :)
13:59:46 [markd2]
that's Vinod's trick
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14:23:10 [Psychephylax]
morning
14:38:17 [davb]
Good trick.
14:39:03 [Psychephylax]
?
14:45:38 [davb]
Argh. I got a really good article in email. It does not appear to be available on the web though so I can't link to it...
14:46:40 [markd2]
out it on a website somewhere :-)
14:46:52 [Psychephylax]
yeah
14:46:54 [markd2]
what kind of article?
14:47:55 [davb]
Maybe. I emailed the author. Its by Seth Godin. From www.ideavirus.com
14:48:56 [davb]
Aha. His new book is an ebook. Ick.
14:49:05 [markd2]
lame
14:49:15 [markd2]
I want to read the Scott Adams "God's Debris", but it's only supported on windows
14:49:16 [davb]
Yeah but its only $2.70
14:49:23 [markd2]
which is ironic since he's a mac guy
14:49:54 [davb]
Not his fault... but annoying.
14:50:55 [davb]
This books uses the evil Adobe eBook Reader
14:54:28 [davb]
Wow amazon guesses if you will like a book or not. That is pretty useful.
14:54:42 [Psychephylax]
heh
14:56:48 [markd2]
"Amazon says you might like MySql for dummies unleashed!"
14:57:55 [Psychephylax]
Amazon.com generates a random number from 210 to 450 and picks a book about Computing "You might like this took too!"
14:57:56 [Psychephylax]
not!
14:58:58 [davb]
Hmmmm...
14:59:07 [davb]
OK maybe it is not useful.
14:59:40 [davb]
You guys are picking on Amazon. I hate giving them money, but I use their wishlist to keep track of books I want to buy or read.
15:00:02 [davb]
Although I did buy a 37 cent book to get free shipping during that promo.
15:00:20 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:00:35 [Psychephylax]
I think it's just querying some tables for computing books out of the blue
15:01:08 [Psychephylax]
The FedEx man better leave my burner around my house
15:01:25 [Psychephylax]
I left him a big note
15:01:27 [davb]
I bases it on what you buy and compares to what other people who bought the same thing bought.
15:01:31 [davb]
He might.
15:01:43 [davb]
Or he'll leave a note that you have to sign.
15:02:11 [davb]
I remember when I was selling them some guy said that UPS lost his. I put in a claim and everything.
15:02:28 [davb]
A week later he found it in the back of his wife's car. She had picked it up and left it in there.
15:03:27 [davb]
That book I mentioned is the #1 selling eBook in Canada...
15:03:29 [davb]
wooppe!
15:04:02 [davb]
No. its the #1 book sold from Amazon to canada.
15:04:36 [davb]
* davb is glad noone around here is bright enough to keep track of my network traffic.
15:05:20 [davb]
Anyway. The email was about web sites. And says they should have been designed around the user. Kinda like Open/ACS
15:06:11 [davb]
note: OpenACS needs a Email this Page to your friend feature if it doesn't already have it.
15:09:59 [Psychephylax]
hmm
15:10:10 [Psychephylax]
I left a note on the door with my signature
15:10:23 [Psychephylax]
it said "I authorize you to leave my package by the door or with my neighbor"
15:10:58 [davb]
Should be cool unless your neighbor needs a new burner
15:11:13 [Psychephylax]
Nah
15:11:28 [Psychephylax]
The people below me are blind
15:11:42 [Psychephylax]
and the ones across and below are 90 or so
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15:31:07 [davb]
Cool. He responded already that he's working on getting it onto the web.
15:34:02 [davb]
Ok whats wrong with this "Click cancel to continue your registration."
15:36:32 [Psychephylax]
where's vinod when you need him :(
15:36:39 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:39:27 [markd2]
whoa
15:39:34 [markd2]
it';s the Windows influence
15:39:39 [markd2]
"press the start button to stop your computer"
15:39:55 [davb]
Hey, I never, ever thought of that.
15:40:02 [davb]
I bet normal do though.
15:40:36 [davb]
But what about the "trash can deletes what you put in it, expect if its a floppy disk it ejects it" :)
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15:41:01 [davb]
It was fun in a room of 20 non-mac-acclimated graphic design students.
15:41:46 [Psychephylax]
heh
15:41:51 [Psychephylax]
yeah that always freaks me out
15:41:56 [Psychephylax]
deleting floppies to eject them
15:42:03 [Psychephylax]
to this day I go to special-->eject disk
15:42:03 [markd2]
it's a hold over from the floppy-only days
15:42:39 [markd2]
then the action made sense. doesn't any more
15:42:49 [davb]
Really?
15:43:10 [markd2]
yeah
15:43:20 [markd2]
one floppy drive, if you wanted to copy a floppy you had to do this:
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insert floppy 1. eject it. this left a 'ghost' image
15:43:37 [markd2]
insert floppy 2, drag it on top of floppy 1's image
15:43:43 [markd2]
swap swap swap as it copied
15:43:51 [markd2]
then when you're done, drag the images to the trash since you don't need them anymore
15:44:06 [markd2]
since that was a *way* common occurance, the "drag the image to the trash to dismount and eject" was a godsend
15:44:07 [davb]
MSDOS wins : copy A:*.* B:
15:44:12 [davb]
Aha.
15:44:22 [markd2]
what does MSDOS do if there's just one floppy drive?
15:44:22 [davb]
You were deleting the floppy icon.
15:44:33 [davb]
It says hey insert the B: disc
15:44:34 [markd2]
if the mac had two drives, it was "drag image over image" - one motion :-)
15:45:12 [davb]
same thing. basically. You had to swap discs because you didn;t have enough RAM to copy in one pass.
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15:45:48 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:45:57 [Psychephylax]
too much swapping
15:49:23 [markd2]
swap thang, you make my heart sang
15:49:55 [Psychephylax]
heh
15:51:05 [Psychephylax]
i think I have finished a partial part of my package (blindly nevertheless)
15:51:17 [davb]
Yeah.
15:51:19 [Psychephylax]
Anyone wanna take a look to see if I made some major mistakes that will blow up the database?
15:51:20 [markd2]
woo hoo!
15:51:27 [davb]
Hey you need to start somewhere.
15:51:28 [markd2]
give it the old smoke test :-)
15:51:33 [Psychephylax]
Nah
15:51:37 [Psychephylax]
No smoke tests
15:51:38 [markd2]
my first db backed site (still up) is a horror
15:51:45 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:51:55 [Psychephylax]
I just wrote the 2 sql files
15:51:59 [Psychephylax]
one to add, one to drop
15:55:18 [Psychephylax]
http://oracle:8080/snmp-create
15:55:18 [chump]
B: http://oracle:8080/snmp-create from Psychephylax
15:55:23 [Psychephylax]
oops
15:55:37 [Psychephylax]
There should really be a way to make him forget links
15:57:23 [davb]
yes.
15:57:41 [Psychephylax]
what's he written in anyway? Perl?
15:57:47 [Psychephylax]
or Python
15:58:07 [davb]
Python. Its on my list to learn.
15:58:08 [Psychephylax]
B:| please ignore
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titled item B
15:58:46 [Psychephylax]
geez
15:58:56 [Psychephylax]
where are these hot women passing by my desk coming from!
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16:01:03 [davb]
Hi vinod
16:01:38 [Psychephylax]
Just the man I wanted to see :)
16:01:58 [Psychephylax]
Mr. Vinod, are you currently busy?
16:02:11 [markd2]
he's probably off malpracticing somewhere
16:02:18 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax pokes vinod with a hot prod
16:03:15 [vinod]
mornin all!
16:03:24 [vinod]
* vinod wipes the blood off his hands
16:03:54 [Psychephylax]
hey
16:15:55 [davb]
http://www.zapthink.com/reports/proscons-view.html
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C: http://www.zapthink.com/reports/proscons-view.html from davb
16:16:08 [davb]
C:|The Pros and Cons of XML
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titled item C
16:16:21 [davb]
C: Extensive information about what XML is good for, and what it is not
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commented item C
16:37:17 [vinod]
markd2: when did you end up going to sleep last night?
16:43:44 [markd2]
about 4:30
16:43:56 [markd2]
got up again around 8:00 to monitor stuff
16:44:51 [vinod]
ouch
16:44:58 [vinod]
* vinod hands markd2 a pillow
16:44:59 [markd2]
such is life
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* markd2 (vi)nods off
16:45:11 [vinod]
haha
16:46:07 [Psychephylax]
lol
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* Psychephylax is away: lunch
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17:26:15 [davb]
You have to see this: http://www.dashes.com/anil/?fram.php
17:26:32 [davb]
I think I will send it to my friend that has never once written me an actual email.
17:40:29 [rbm]
ascharimkimbum
17:40:50 [davb]
rbm: is that for us?
17:40:51 [davb]
brb/
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17:50:06 [rbm]
davb: just for a change from the old "moo" :)
17:50:53 [davb]
cool.
17:51:52 [markd2]
mü
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17:57:09 [rbm]
* rbm needs to setup his keymap to accept latin characters
17:57:52 [davb]
Right. That shouldn't be too tricky. You could emulate the Mac layout or make your own.
17:59:01 [markd2]
Måç lå¥oüt rûlès
18:00:00 [davb]
Do you need a special key us PC people don;t have?
18:00:18 [davb]
* davb needs to read the Mac is not a typewriter again...
18:00:49 [rbm]
which mac layout?
18:04:17 [markd2]
I've got an option key. option+u is the 'umlaut' dead key. then type a vowel and get it accented
18:04:22 [markd2]
e.g. option+u e == ë
18:04:49 [markd2]
option-i is dead key for hat, option ` for acute accent, etc
18:04:54 [davb]
Aha, its more complex. Two keystokes required.
18:05:06 [markd2]
yeah
18:05:14 [markd2]
I don't have a 256 key keyboard here :-)
18:05:40 [davb]
The funny thing is microsoft Word adopted a similar system, but it doesn't work Windows-wide.
18:06:11 [davb]
ctrl ' letter
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ctrl ` letter
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etc...
18:08:49 [rbm]
I would just type "'" then a vowel to get an a with acute accent
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s/"'"/'/
18:09:24 [davb]
argh, I can't find the link for the full 208 key keyboard for people who hate the shift key
18:10:26 [davb]
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/08/keyboard.html
18:10:26 [chump]
D: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/08/keyboard.html from davb
18:10:37 [davb]
D:|Compaq Unveils the 208-key Keyboard
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titled item D
18:10:46 [davb]
D: :)
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commented item D
18:11:39 [markd2]
that's awesome
18:12:00 [davb]
http://webword.com/weblog/00000275.html#comments
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E: http://webword.com/weblog/00000275.html#comments from davb
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E:|Get rid of annoying autosearch in IE
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titled item E
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E: [Google 2.0|http://webword.com/moving/googleclient.html] John Rhodes on the new microsoft redirection
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commented item E
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E: You can choose a provider for address bar searches, but there is a fixed list
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commented item E
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E: Opera allows you to put any search engine on the toolbar
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commented item E
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18:17:14 [davb]
BWT Google is indexing my site every day now. I can't imagine how many bots they have if they are indexing _MY_ site
18:17:28 [markd2]
every day? wow
18:17:35 [markd2]
usually I see them once every other week
18:18:39 [davb]
They started indexing sites based on how often the content changes.
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So i have no idea why they are coming back every day.
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BLURB: Schedule needs updating on www.openacs.org/4
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F: Schedule needs updating on www.openacs.org/4 from Psychephylax
18:39:39 [AaronSw]
davb, does your site change every day? ;-)
18:40:03 [AaronSw]
Someone in another channel works at google to manage The Crawl.
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18:44:53 [talli]
heeeeelllooo all
18:46:10 [AaronSw]
heeeelllooo talli!
18:46:57 [AaronSw]
My servers kept going down on calliope... I think it was because it'd run out of disk space, but some magical elph got me another gig of disk space.
18:46:59 [AaronSw]
Thanks magical elph!
18:47:00 [AaronSw]
:-)
18:47:12 [talli]
cool
18:47:17 [talli]
that's weird
18:47:39 [talli]
calliope was probably set up very poorly, a problem that we faced with some of our servers
18:47:45 [talli]
petru has fixed that, mostly
18:48:08 [AaronSw]
cool
18:48:22 [AaronSw]
err, fixed that on calliope or new servers?
18:48:44 [talli]
our hosting servers, sorry
18:48:51 [talli]
was going to finish those sentences but was distracted
18:49:08 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw needs to learn ppetru's m2d sy2admin sk11lz ;-)
18:49:15 [AaronSw]
distracted: another hula girl?
18:49:59 [talli]
no, i wish
18:50:06 [talli]
a couple other IM's :)
18:50:21 [talli]
anyway, the best thing to do with calliope is probably to do a complete reinstall.
18:50:38 [talli]
but that would require reinstalling oracle, a not too attractive thing
18:50:46 [talli]
but would probably solve your probs
18:50:57 [davb]
hi
18:51:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw doesn't look forward to an Oracle reinstall
18:51:36 [talli]
yeah
18:51:43 [talli]
what you might do is upgrade the kernel
18:52:38 [davb]
Wait. of course my site changes everyday. It is the home of the chump!
18:52:38 [AaronSw]
Perhaps I should just wait until that VMed server
18:53:32 [talli]
yeah, but you'll have to get cracking on the PG port.
18:53:33 [talli]
we have limited space, and not sure we can provide you with the resources for an oracle install, at least for an efficient oracle install
18:53:48 [AaronSw]
yes, that's what I mean -- the postgres port
18:53:53 [talli]
oh ok
18:53:55 [talli]
cool
18:54:07 [talli]
does that look very hairy? the pg port?
18:55:01 [AaronSw]
No, it shouldn't be too bad -- it's just the time to go over the code and fix it all.
18:55:07 [markd2]
if you're just wanting to have an optimized user (different configs, tablespace layout, etc), you don't have to reinstall oracle from scratch
18:55:10 [AaronSw]
And I sorta need OpenACS 4 done...
18:55:48 [talli]
markd, what if you're looking to reinstall the os completely?
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18:56:14 [talli]
aaronsw: how much of openacs4 do you need? we're using it on production sites, so it may be ready for your use as well.
18:56:36 [talli]
as long as you don't mind doing updates and bugfixes, which you would have to do with ACS4.2 anyway
18:56:47 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw hasn't touched his acs since he installed
18:57:07 [AaronSw]
I need permissions, subsites and news
18:57:10 [AaronSw]
I think that's all
18:57:18 [AaronSw]
oh, and bboard, preferably
18:57:34 [talli]
well... news you can use ETP for
18:57:38 [talli]
bboards are ready
18:57:51 [talli]
permissions and subsites are not, from what i know
18:57:54 [AaronSw]
does ETP have news import?
18:57:55 [talli]
so that's a good point
18:58:04 [talli]
import?
18:58:13 [AaronSw]
I don't want to lose all my news archives
18:58:22 [talli]
oh, dunno.
18:58:49 [AaronSw]
I can see why you make a good President -- you make everything sound so easy. ;-)
18:59:17 [davb]
Can't be too hard to stuff it in. What does news have? Date, Title, Contents
18:59:23 [talli]
and i have a good smile
18:59:33 [davb]
As long as you aren;t too picky about the IP and user auditing.
18:59:49 [AaronSw]
user auditing?
19:00:03 [davb]
Where it keeps track of who entered what news frm what IP addresss on what date
19:00:16 [AaronSw]
oh, no that's not too big a deal
19:00:21 [talli]
that stuff could probably all be built into ETP.
19:00:31 [talli]
since it exists in the news DM and the CR.
19:00:39 [davb]
Talli: is anyone from museatech on the CMS mailing list?
19:00:51 [talli]
CMS bboards, you mean?
19:00:54 [AaronSw]
filsa
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filsa's cms list?
19:00:59 [davb]
yeah
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or maybe not. from camworld.com
19:01:13 [AaronSw]
filsa hangs out in another channel too
19:01:18 [AaronSw]
yeah, filsa's list
19:01:34 [talli]
no. never heard of it
19:01:57 [AaronSw]
it's a good list
19:01:58 [talli]
how come they don't use the CMS bboards?
19:02:15 [AaronSw]
it's for CMSs in general, not just ACS ones
19:02:19 [davb]
right
19:02:37 [talli]
haha how come?
19:03:15 [talli]
haha
19:04:02 [talli]
haha
19:04:28 [talli]
cool, thanks
19:04:38 [davb]
http://cms.filsa.net/archives/cms-list/
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G: http://cms.filsa.net/archives/cms-list/ from davb
19:04:43 [talli]
broken link, sorry
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G:|CMS List archives
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titled item G
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well, maybe it was broken for that second :)
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still loading now
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gotta log off
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brb
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http://cms.filsa.net/archives/cms-list/2000/0487.html
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H: http://cms.filsa.net/archives/cms-list/2000/0487.html from davb
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oops
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19:30:21 [davb]
I have to get my web site up to #1 for my name. I am number 1, but it refers to my member page on openacs.org
19:30:35 [AaronSw]
heheh
19:30:53 [AaronSw]
I got my name up to number one by including links to my homepage it in all my emails to archcived lists
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and doing all sorts of embarassing things
19:31:16 [davb]
That works.
19:32:27 [davb]
I can't find my site in the top 5 pages anymore. I wonder what happened. I'll have to stick my name on the chump pages because they are indexed every day.
19:33:38 [AaronSw]
I stuck the name at the bottom of every page on my website
19:34:01 [AaronSw]
For some reason this college wrestler had better google points than I did, and that was just too much to bear
19:34:10 [davb]
I can imagine.
19:34:21 [davb]
I used to be 2 or 3 under my name. I am not sure what happened.
19:34:54 [davb]
this has got to go. http://carbon.cudenver.edu/~dbauer/ its #2
19:35:44 [davb]
quick. everyone link to my home page!!
19:36:03 [talli]
does anyone here use VIM?
19:36:06 [AaronSw]
another tip: put your name in the title of the page
19:36:19 [talli]
i'm trying to figure out how to wrap text
19:36:26 [AaronSw]
use emacs ;-)
19:36:30 [talli]
keep the textwidth under 80. any clue?
19:36:52 [davb]
Good idea.
19:37:10 [davb]
hit enter every 79 chars
19:38:07 [talli]
haha.
19:38:21 [talli]
if you were nearby, i would hit you every 79 characters
19:38:36 [davb]
:<
19:38:50 [davb]
hey, vinod's not here, someone has to do it.
19:39:11 [davb]
Wow. I don't even come up for "xml rpc aolserver" anymore. Jerry knocked me right out of the top page :)
19:40:18 [AaronSw]
sheesh, my server on calliope went down _again_!
19:40:49 [talli]
hmm... like i said, it was badly set up.
19:41:12 [AaronSw]
It hadn't gone down for weeks, and today it's gone down 4 times already
19:41:12 [talli]
best thing to do is to wipe it out and give it another shot. then again, it could be the internet connection in the office. sometimes it goes on teh fritz
19:41:22 [talli]
so it may be the internet connection
19:41:28 [AaronSw]
No, the connection is fine -- i need to reboot the aolservers
19:41:37 [AaronSw]
I better install keepalive
19:42:33 [davb]
like I said... vinod's not around.
19:42:56 [AaronSw]
davb, don't feel bad ArsDigita keepalive is #2 behind KeepAlive Aerators and fish tanks
19:43:20 [davb]
talli: that was really directed more at them than you :)
19:48:11 [markd2]
aaronSw: get it right! keepalive is #3 behind KeepAlive aerators and Aeron chairators
19:48:37 [talli]
kegarators?
19:48:43 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if markd2 was kept alive by an aeron chairator
19:48:52 [markd2]
* markd2 hates the aerons
19:48:58 [AaronSw]
hey markd2, why do you stick with the two, now that you bought out the markd?
19:49:00 [markd2]
the DC office keeps a folding metal chair for me when I visit
19:49:11 [markd2]
the original markd came back
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he's been around OPN longer, so I figured I'd let him have it back
19:49:35 [markd2]
he'd have to build a new identity, which would suck
19:50:12 [AaronSw]
ah, i see
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* AaronSw adds a "arsdigita sucks, go buy stuff from museatech" blurb to his website
19:51:50 [AaronSw]
shoot! talli missed that
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must go home....
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* AaronSw adds a "arsdigita sucks, go buy stuff from museatech" blurb to his website
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20:01:46 [talli]
aaronsw gets a very big lollipop
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woohoo!
20:02:40 [talli]
has anyone seen michael jackson lately? he's beginning to look even more like a skeleton
20:03:01 [markd2]
maybe he's going for the Skeletor part in the He-Man remake
20:03:08 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax wonders if markd2 is awake
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* markd2 is asleep
20:03:17 [Psychephylax]
oh that answers my question
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* Psychephylax gets confused
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Oracle is being mean to me
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1/14 PLS-00305: previous use of 'INCIDENT' (at line 1) conflicts with
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this use
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constraint incidents_mac_address_nn
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*
20:04:34 [markd2]
what's the whole code?
20:04:41 [Psychephylax]
i'll do it in a query ok?
20:14:13 [markd2]
it arrived
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ORA-02264: name already used by an existing constraint
20:17:19 [markd2]
sounds like leftovers from a previous load
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ah
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20:26:05 [markd2]
table incident, column mac_address
20:26:19 [Psychephylax]
what about it
20:26:37 [markd2]
so, it lookslike some of those errors are from loading a table when it already existed
20:26:41 [markd2]
that PSL-00305 is still odd
20:29:20 [Psychephylax]
yeah
20:29:42 [Psychephylax]
Chump you don't bookmark this: ttp://www.oradoc.com/ora816/server.816/a76999/pcmus.htm
20:31:18 [Psychephylax]
oh
20:31:21 [Psychephylax]
maybe I know why
20:31:39 [Psychephylax]
is it supposed to have a , between constraint something constraint something?
20:31:51 [markd2]
nope
20:32:10 [Psychephylax]
ignore me
20:32:13 [Psychephylax]
I'm just dumb
20:32:14 [markd2]
heh
20:32:29 [markd2]
psychE, my eyes are glazing over was up til 4:00 last night
20:32:38 [Psychephylax]
hehehe
20:32:41 [Psychephylax]
nap!
20:32:48 [markd2]
what i'd do is drop everything associated with incidents - the table, the package, the dirty pictures, everything
20:32:55 [Psychephylax]
i tried
20:33:01 [markd2]
then load them in one at a time
20:33:04 [Psychephylax]
my drop script has errors too apparently
20:33:23 [Psychephylax]
I have an idea though
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and if it doesn't work
20:33:29 [Psychephylax]
I'll go bug the DBA
20:33:32 [markd2]
you can manally do drop package incidents, drop table incident
20:33:43 [markd2]
poor DBAs. always getting bugged
20:33:55 [Psychephylax]
oh!
20:33:57 [Psychephylax]
Wait
20:33:58 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:34:18 [Psychephylax]
does "package incidents" refer to something that is like the notes package
20:34:29 [Psychephylax]
I didn't make my stuff into a package yet
20:35:00 [markd2]
"package incident" declares that your'e about to start the definition for the interface ofa package
20:35:27 [Psychephylax]
what kind of a package though
20:35:33 [Psychephylax]
an oracle type or an acs type
20:35:42 [markd2]
oracle
20:35:51 [markd2]
acs type packages involve xml files and web forms
20:36:08 [Psychephylax]
ok
20:40:29 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax trims the file down
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nope
20:46:53 [Psychephylax]
that did not work
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Tcl tastes better in Maui | http://openacs.org
21:18:28 [talli]
well, dunno about that...
21:18:34 [talli]
i haven't tried programming here.
21:19:02 [talli]
but i think it's safe to say that tcl would taste better here, yes.
21:21:11 [markd2]
?
21:21:49 [AaronSw]
see the topic, markd2
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ah
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* markd2 sees the light
21:22:40 [Psychephylax]
we're all moving to maui
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eclare
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*
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ERROR at line 1:
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ORA-00001: unique constraint (MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJECT_TYPES_PK) violated
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ORA-06512: at "MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJECT_TYPE", line 28
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ORA-06512: at line 4
21:23:51 [Psychephylax]
wth does that mean
21:25:12 [markd2]
unique constraint : you're trying to have two identical items (according to the constraint) in one table
21:25:29 [markd2]
it's the acs_object_types_pk, which looks like acs_object_types primary key
21:25:42 [markd2]
so you're inserting somethihg into acs_object_types that's already there
21:27:30 [Psychephylax]
ok
21:27:37 [Psychephylax]
Probably from my old install yes?
21:33:57 [Psychephylax]
i think the order I had them in made a difference
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home going time
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