IRC log of openacs on 2001-09-06

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topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/

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Users on #openacs: loggy markd GEM davb rbm shagster abbaJ strainmaker AaronSw andyn chump

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00:23:11 [markd]

loggy is as loggy does

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00:24:51 [Psychephylax]

Hi guys

00:30:12 [markd]

yö

00:32:39 [davb]

Hi.

00:39:16 [davb]

Hey Psychephylax, have you looked at the category stuff in the Content Repostiory?

00:48:32 [davb]

Hey. Does anyone have a good reference on using advanced typgraphic symbols like curly quotes in HTML and having them actually work?

00:49:25 [markd]

the back of the o'reilley book has a listing of the &codes; for most of the M$ character set

00:50:39 [davb]

I wonder if my oreilly online book subscribtion to the webmaster set is still active...

00:51:20 [davb]

Cool. It still is.

00:51:45 [davb]

I was thinking of joining oreilly safari. Maybe I will to check out books before I buy.

00:53:20 [davb]

should be 132 and 147...

00:55:06 [davb]

Argh. it doesn;t seem to work in Opera 5 for linux (or its my fonts...)

00:56:13 [davb]

Seems to be opera. Even postscript fonts aren't working...

01:01:47 [markd]

if the page is reachable by me, I can look with a mac browser

01:03:26 [davb]

try http://design.deepskydesign.com:8000/quote.html

01:03:29 [davb]

thanks

01:04:27 [markd]

name doesn't resolve for me

01:05:01 [davb]

hmmm... I must have screwed up the DNS

01:06:16 [davb]

Please try again. I never entered it in DNS.

01:06:19 [davb]

(duh!)

01:06:28 [davb]

BTW, I love tinydns.

01:08:40 [markd]

not resolving for home, but it does on an aD bo

01:08:43 [markd]

lemme try the ip

01:09:10 [markd]

for right quote, there's a ,, style quote at the bottom of the line

01:09:28 [davb]

hmmmm.....

01:09:35 [markd]

for left quote, there's a, how to describe

01:09:41 [davb]

at the botoom.

01:09:43 [markd]

like a comma, but rotated 180 degrees

01:09:54 [markd]

screen shot coming up

01:10:17 [davb]

thanks. Apparently those don't work... I got that from HTML definitive guide 3rd edition.

01:11:47 [markd]

http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quote.gif

01:11:48 [chump]

F: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quote.gif from markd

01:11:57 [markd]

f: a screen shot for davb

01:12:15 [AaronSw]

F:| a screen shot for davb

01:12:15 [chump]

titled item F

01:12:25 [AaronSw]

(needs to be capitalized)

01:12:45 [davb]

Cool. the left quote is correct. The right one is not....

01:12:56 [davb]

What browser is that?

01:13:04 [markd]

netscape 4.7ish

01:13:19 [markd]

those entries have that dreaded "!!!" in the conformance column

01:13:37 [davb]

I found out there is “ and ” but that definitely doesn;t work in netsacpe 4

01:14:00 [davb]

Am I going to have to go to each of your houses and install a new browser?? :)

01:14:07 [Psychephylax]

oh god

01:14:10 [Psychephylax]

I forgot about this

01:14:11 [Psychephylax]

lol

01:14:17 [markd]

hmm.. there's two 'right double quotes'

01:15:06 [davb]

I missed that one...

01:15:21 [Psychephylax]

hold on

01:16:10 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax caught up

01:16:15 [davb]

mind checking it again?

01:16:47 [Psychephylax]

God this is going to suck

01:16:49 [Psychephylax]

:D

01:17:03 [Psychephylax]

Any of you guys ever set up a Radius server?

01:17:06 [davb]

I am going to have to talk to the guy that wrote the article that said you should use them because they are nicer to read and they work in HTML.

01:18:55 [Psychephylax]

Ok, one of you guys are bound to know this

01:19:17 [Psychephylax]

My boss wants me to cvs new releases/modifications every sunday

01:19:23 [markd]

much nicer

01:19:23 [Psychephylax]

What's the proper procedure for this?

01:19:28 [markd]

this: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quote2.gif

01:19:30 [davb]

Cool.

01:19:54 [davb]

Spiffy. It works in old netscape. But not new Opera....

01:20:00 [davb]

I'll check it with IE later.

01:20:05 [davb]

(and Opera windows)

01:20:35 [markd]

might just be a font issue

01:20:47 [davb]

Read all the CVS stuff at http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/

01:20:55 [davb]

Could be, I tried all my fonts though.

01:21:21 [davb]

Not they are that great. I have to install the 200 type 1 fonts I have on my windows partition in linux.

01:21:57 [davb]

http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/version-control/

01:21:57 [chump]

G: http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/version-control/ from davb

01:22:11 [davb]

G:| Version Control for Web Development using CVS

01:22:12 [chump]

titled item G

01:22:28 [Psychephylax]

hang on

01:22:34 [Psychephylax]

Doing school work..then I'll pay more attention

01:22:39 [Psychephylax]

But I did go to that link

01:22:47 [davb]

or

01:23:00 [davb]

Its really good. Read it three or four times. Also read the CVS book.

01:23:12 [markd]

the coriolis cvs book?

01:23:19 [markd]

that one Rules with a capital R

01:23:30 [davb]

I think so. I read the free part when I need help.

01:23:43 [davb]

http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/

01:23:43 [chump]

H: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ from davb

01:23:45 [markd]

I splurged for the dead-trees version. veddy nice

01:23:51 [davb]

H:| The CVS Book

01:23:51 [chump]

titled item H

01:24:04 [davb]

I should get it, but my book budget is a little low right now.

01:24:39 [davb]

Plus I just type "cvs book" in google and click on the first link (should cut that down by using I am feeling lucky button)

01:28:42 [davb]

mozilla 0.9.3 shows regular quotes for all three...is any font.

01:29:24 [davb]

Opera on linux appears to not handle the entities correctly.

01:30:37 [davb]

aha. “ and ” display regular quotes on Opera 5 for linux.

01:30:53 [davb]

(I'll have to come back later and read the log to compile this info)

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01:45:58 [Psychephylax]

k

01:46:07 [Psychephylax]

gotta scan this cvs stuff and ask more questions :D

01:46:18 [Psychephylax]

Multitasking with one brain is hard...

01:46:38 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax searches google for a multi-brain housing

01:49:01 [davb]

AaronSw: Do you know if domain based subsites ever made it into ACS 4?

01:49:17 [AaronSw]

No, I don't think they did.

01:49:24 [AaronSw]

Or at least if they did, they never closed the ticket.

01:49:32 [AaronSw]

But there's a patch available for it.

01:49:39 [davb]

I see. I'll look at the OpenACS code to see if its in there.

01:49:45 [davb]

Right. I am reading that thread again.

01:52:00 [Psychephylax]

ok

01:52:03 [Psychephylax]

question :)

01:52:43 [Psychephylax]

If I'm not customizing any of the ACS stuff yet...It's better for me to just fetch the new ACS stuff and put my stuff in there

01:53:12 [Psychephylax]

however, if I'm modifying the ACS stuff it would be best for me to merge the new CVS release with my current work (after backing it up of course)...Correct?

01:53:29 [davb]

Right.

01:53:58 [Psychephylax]

ok

01:54:46 [davb]

the link to that patch is broken!

01:55:52 [Psychephylax]

What patch?

01:56:34 [davb]

domain based subsites

01:57:51 [Psychephylax]

oh

01:58:55 [Psychephylax]

i got X working at work

01:58:59 [Psychephylax]

at a good resolution too

01:59:03 [davb]

Cool.

01:59:08 [Psychephylax]

yeah

01:59:10 [Psychephylax]

I'm happy

01:59:19 [Psychephylax]

I got that and Win2K for when I'm feeling gay

02:02:05 [shagster]

AHHH win2k, how dare you say that, shame

02:02:13 [markd]

ewwww

02:02:13 [Psychephylax]

well

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:/

02:02:20 [Psychephylax]

I know I know

02:02:24 [Psychephylax]

I never use it at work though

02:02:28 [Psychephylax]

I do at home

02:03:01 [shagster]

has a win2k box at work. Uses it as a foot rest :)

02:04:42 [shagster]

Hmm..forgot the /me there *grr*

02:04:53 [Psychephylax]

lol

02:05:03 [Psychephylax]

I have all sorts of OSes here and there

02:05:23 [Psychephylax]

Win2K/FreeBSD 4.4RC dual P2 450's/SCSI at work

02:05:57 [Psychephylax]

Win2K/Linux Mandrake 8.0/FreeBSD 4.4-PRE Athlon 550 for "stuph at home"

02:06:01 [Psychephylax]

Win98SE for gaming

02:06:07 [Psychephylax]

FreeBSD 4.3 for my server

02:08:20 [shagster]

I have Two Solaris 8 boxes, Serveral Suse and Debian boxes, with OpenBSD and Freebsd boxes

02:08:36 [shagster]

In fact uptime.openacs.org is running on Solaris 8 right now :)

02:10:40 [Psychephylax]

hehe

02:10:59 [davb]

Google doesn't seem to have a copy of the patch either.

02:11:31 [Psychephylax]

anyone seen vinod recently?

02:11:55 [shagster]

nope

02:12:03 [shagster]

davb what patch are you looking for?

02:12:26 [Psychephylax]

rats

02:12:30 [Psychephylax]

I wanted to talk to him about code

02:14:52 [davb]

He was here today.

02:14:59 [Psychephylax]

ah

02:16:12 [davb]

Psychephylax: what OS are you on now?

02:19:06 [Psychephylax]

Win2Gay

02:19:12 [Psychephylax]

well

02:19:13 [Psychephylax]

actually

02:19:18 [Psychephylax]

FreeBSD

02:19:29 [Psychephylax]

but I'm ssh'ing into the server

02:20:24 [davb]

Yeah! Opera is distributed in DEB

02:20:58 [Psychephylax]

heh

02:21:05 [Psychephylax]

How is Debian?

02:21:21 [davb]

very nice.

02:21:28 [Psychephylax]

I want a FreeBSD style OS with Linux hardware/software support

02:22:01 [Psychephylax]

I've tried FreeBSD, Red Hat, Mandrake and I've looked at Suse and all of them but FreeBSD are like bloated windows lol

02:23:13 [davb]

quotes are still busted in the latest Opera.

02:23:46 [davb]

Debian is nice. You can install whatever you want. Of course the default install always installs a bunch of crap you don't need.

02:24:02 [Psychephylax]

ah

02:24:05 [Psychephylax]

I don't like that

02:26:56 [davb]

You can install the barebones debian off two floppies though. They just get the packages you want.

02:27:37 [davb]

s/They/Then

02:29:46 [shagster]

Actually, I like SuSE. Of course I do a min. install and install what I need

02:34:29 [Psychephylax]

yeah

02:34:32 [Psychephylax]

That's how I am

02:34:37 [Psychephylax]

bare bones and then install what I need

02:34:59 [Psychephylax]

the only thing I hate about Linux (well, Red hat and mandrake) is how they try to install rpm packages or source

02:35:09 [Psychephylax]

source is not even included

02:35:25 [Psychephylax]

but RPM crap is dumb and can't fetch dependencies as far as I remember

02:35:43 [Psychephylax]

And even if it can, like cooker...it doesn't know how to install them in the right order

02:39:48 [davb]

Don has spoken. Looks like I need to get to work to get categories into ETP (or email Luke)

02:47:12 [shagster]

I have up on Redhat 2 years ago

02:47:50 [shagster]

SuSE's package install in YaST will get the dependancy for you...it is done fairly well

02:51:36 [Psychephylax]

brb

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Bye.

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08:20:24 [djg]

hey pascal

08:20:27 [djg]

how was HAL?

08:20:31 [PascalS]

Very good.

08:20:39 [PascalS]

Lots and lots of ppl

08:20:50 [PascalS]

didn't bring a PC tho, so dunno about the network

08:21:04 [djg]

Madrid was hot, incredibly hot

08:21:14 [djg]

Maybe HAL would have been a better choice ;)

08:21:39 [PascalS]

Met with Dave del Torto from cryptorights.org, I think I have found a new purpose for my hobbies :)

08:21:54 [PascalS]

HAL was a tid bit wet.

08:22:11 [djg]

which is?

08:22:15 [djg]

are you a CVS guru?

08:22:28 [PascalS]

CVS: I know my way around

08:22:28 [chump]

Label CVS not found.

08:22:58 [PascalS]

CRF.org is making crypto/security work for human rights organizations.

08:23:04 [djg]

hmm, i have a strange problem: i dont get new directories with cvs updates?

08:23:23 [PascalS]

cvs -z3 update -dP?

08:23:29 [djg]

oh cool. is strong cryptography illegal in the NL?

08:23:37 [PascalS]

Nope, very legal

08:24:00 [PascalS]

sort of like germany

08:24:02 [djg]

same here (but not in France for example)

08:24:38 [PascalS]

France has become somewhat more liberal than in the past, but remember they are not a NATO country.

08:25:11 [PascalS]

At one point they even prohibited XOR encryption :)

08:25:16 [djg]

haha

08:26:05 [PascalS]

But Bull, Slumberger, et al are now allowed to export their crypto products with not much trouble...

08:26:30 [PascalS]

There is a very good reason why a lot of crypto stuff comes from the benelux/germany :)

08:26:41 [PascalS]

Did CVS work now?

08:27:25 [djg]

yeah

08:27:33 [PascalS]

ok. RTFM?

08:27:43 [djg]

i did, i did

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12:56:46 [davb]

Hi!

13:00:10 [markd]

greetings

13:03:40 [davb]

windows daily crash and reboot brb

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13:36:41 [davb]

Oh sure! IE renders the quotes just fine. Its a browser issue. Even on Mozilla 0.9.3 and Opera 5.0.5

13:37:16 [davb]

IE 5.5 that is (windows obviously)

13:38:04 [davb]

Actually its a font and browser issue. Geoslab renders all left quotes...

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n/cler all

15:21:59 [shagster]

hmm

15:22:07 [markd2]

nuclear all?

15:27:06 [shagster]

nuclear, it cleans anything :)

15:27:26 [markd2]

heh

15:27:28 [markd2]

it's a blast

15:27:31 [markd2]

it'll glow on you too

15:28:01 [shagster]

and glowing is nice, saves all the money on lights

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15:28:22 [AaronSw]

Interesting topic.

15:29:24 [shagster]

big brother is tracking him I guess

15:29:42 [markd2]

heh

15:29:45 [davb]

davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline http://openacs.org

15:29:53 [markd2]

yeah, I was having connection problems

15:30:10 [davb]

* davb hugs Roadrunner

15:30:24 [davb]

AOL may own it, but it really works.

15:30:25 [shagster]

* shagster has acme service

15:30:31 [markd2]

* markd2 has nothing

15:32:10 [davb]

Just wait fiber to the curb is coming....

15:33:08 [shagster]

wooHoo, think of the pr0n access times!

15:36:35 [markd2]

heh

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15:37:44 [markd2]

hey DOc

15:37:46 [markd2]

er, Doc

15:38:16 [vinod]

howdy markd2!

15:38:21 [vinod]

what happened to markd?

15:38:51 [davb]

Hi vinod.

15:38:57 [vinod]

hey dave!

15:44:10 [markd2]

the original markd wanted it back

15:44:17 [markd2]

he had it for a couple of years, so I gave in

15:44:20 [markd2]

* markd2 is a pushover

15:44:27 [vinod]

what??

15:44:32 [vinod]

man, we woulda had your back!

15:44:59 [markd2]

you ruffian you

15:45:18 [vinod]

:-) uhh.. i meant ... *way* back

15:46:13 [vinod]

anyway, i think i'm used to the 2. it's like markd-squared

15:46:19 [markd2]

* markd2 is square

15:46:24 [markd2]

that's why I don't play jazz well

15:46:29 [vinod]

haha

15:47:10 [vinod]

talli was here the other day, wishing that he could play brass. i told him to look you up

15:48:06 [markd2]

cool

15:48:10 [markd2]

I'll bug him next time I see 'em

15:48:35 [vinod]

he's in maui right now apparently

15:48:42 [vinod]

poor guy

15:48:53 [markd2]

my heart bleeds

15:49:25 [davb]

Aha, now we know why he's not around.

15:50:25 [vinod]

he was mentioning how he was watching the sunrise over the pacific behind his laptop

15:50:34 [vinod]

that's talli - never one to rub it in

15:52:23 [markd2]

this a client gig?

15:53:49 [vinod]

hmm... he didn't say. i suspect he's trying to set up some offshore thing to embezzle money from museatech, but doesn't realize that hawaii is part of the u.s.

15:54:27 [vinod]

man, it's not as much fun to make fun of him when he's not around :-) (hopefully he'll read the logs!)

15:55:02 [markd2]

heh

15:55:04 [markd2]

* markd2 taunts talli from afar

15:55:12 [vinod]

lol

15:55:37 [davb]

Hey. ETP is kinda a pain. Say a content type has 5 attributes. You can to go to 5 different pages to set them all.

15:55:45 [davb]

Shouldn't they all be on one form??

15:56:00 [davb]

Perhaps it is a permission thing.

15:56:44 [vinod]

yeah, you'd expect them all to be visible from one page

15:59:02 [davb]

Yeah. Its a little clunky for news. There is not built in way to define how long a story goes for. You have to manually enter the dates.

16:04:38 [davb]

Of course, I am sure you could build the rules into the system somehow.

16:05:27 [davb]

I am trying to hack together a weblog that automatically creates a new URL for each day index and the individual page for each item.

16:07:02 [davb]

hey cool. someone sent in nsxmlrpc to XML-RPC.com. We are first due to alphabeticalness

16:07:33 [davb]

I really have to bug someone so I can export a release.

16:08:27 [vinod]

i think the sdm is kinda whacked out right now.

16:08:32 [markd2]

bsdm

16:09:07 [vinod]

haha - markd2 is a stickler for using the proper name

16:09:46 [davb]

at least I should put instructions on how to anonymous checkout the source.

16:09:50 [markd2]

the original open-source aolserver folks called it just SaDoMasochism

16:10:41 [markd2]

off to nap before a client relaunch tonight

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16:59:56 [AaronSw]

hey nsxmlrpc made scripting news

17:12:35 [davb]

yep.

17:13:05 [davb]

I haven't been able to get the SDM to spit out a release.

17:17:33 [davb]

Its first on xmlrpc.com due to the A in AOL.

17:21:41 [AaronSw]

heh!

17:30:18 [davb]

I tarred it up and put it on my site with a link from the SDM.

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Hi docwolf

17:32:33 [docwolf]

howdy

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17:48:06 [ola]

wow! photo.net has a new comparison shop: http://www.photo.net/ezshop/category

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* rbm was lurking. But now he has to to go class

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18:55:12 [talli]

hail vinod

18:56:44 [davb]

Hi talli.

18:57:05 [AaronSw]

Reading the logs, talli?

18:57:52 [talli]

no, why? did vinod establish his indisputed greatness, again?

18:58:02 [AaronSw]

Oh, indisputably.

18:58:13 [talli]

all hail vinod

18:58:55 [talli]

this is a sad day for all in the software world

18:59:10 [talli]

and we are further embarrassed by a retarded president

18:59:19 [AaronSw]

Ugh, you fell for that?

18:59:24 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> ugh, I can't stand all this phooey about the microsoft breakup

18:59:24 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> there are plenty of other, strict remedies, folks

18:59:24 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> and you really think the bush administration is going soft on microsoft with orrin hatch around?

18:59:29 [talli]

everyone hear about the microsoft decision by the DOJ?

18:59:42 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw was looking for someone to rant at about this

19:00:04 [talli]

dunno about strict remedies

19:00:12 [AaronSw]

Are you kidding?

19:00:33 [AaronSw]

Breaking up the company would be the worst decision.

19:00:35 [talli]

if you're going to follow the market rules approach that monolopolies are ok, i doubt anyone is going to try and pass corporate rules

19:00:39 [AaronSw]

The company would do 10x better.

19:00:49 [talli]

well, that's not the point

19:00:53 [AaronSw]

Heh.

19:01:34 [talli]

the companies' evaluations would surely go up, and their softwares' may continue to flourish, but there would be the opportunity for competition

19:01:58 [talli]

IOW, maybe word would be ported to linux

19:02:11 [AaronSw]

No there wouldn't, because the way they were planning to split the company the two companies woulkdn't compete

19:02:33 [davb]

So we would have two seperate monopolies?

19:02:44 [AaronSw]

It's like the Sorcerer's apprentice.

19:03:03 [AaronSw]

Two monopolies aren't much better than one.

19:03:08 [talli]

well, that would assume that the split would be in two.

19:03:21 [talli]

i can name about 4 or 5 different companies to make.

19:03:27 [talli]

i doubt they would do it in two.

19:03:35 [AaronSw]

That was the proposal.

19:03:44 [AaronSw]

Great, 5 monopolies. Oh boy.

19:04:01 [talli]

not necessarily.

19:04:18 [talli]

they might compete with one another.

19:04:39 [AaronSw]

Great, showdown of the shoddy software. Just what I wanted.

19:04:42 [talli]

in addition, they would support software that competes with the sister companies

19:04:47 [AaronSw]

It still woudn't affect Microsoft as much as a conduct remedy.

19:05:04 [talli]

so that the application companies would support competing OSes. and the OSes would do the same to the apps

19:05:19 [davb]

That is a dream.

19:05:28 [AaronSw]

The best solution I've heard of is to make Slashdot vote on every new feature added to a MS product.

19:06:19 [AaronSw]

The company would be so bogged down in the endless discussion that their products would never come out.

19:06:32 [davb]

How is that different than now?

19:06:45 [AaronSw]

They come out with new versions with no features.

19:06:52 [AaronSw]

We could also put tobacco-esque labeling on the boxes, and prevent them from advertising.

19:08:05 [talli]

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19:08:07 [AaronSw]

All in all, after you put enough restrictions on them that they'd stop behaving like an agressive monopolist, some competition will develop.

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19:08:16 [AaronSw]

All in all, after you put enough restrictions on them that they'd stop behaving like an agressive monopolist, some competition will develop.

19:08:20 [davb]

I like this: WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Windows may cause stress, hard-drive failure and a plague of locusts.

19:08:32 [davb]

:)

19:08:36 [talli]

well, i just missed all that you wrote

19:08:54 [AaronSw]

Read it at: http://blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/2001-09-06.txt

19:08:56 [talli]

but i don't see that helping much for cigarretes, and those actually do kill people.

19:09:19 [davb]

It would be nice. All they really need to do is publish APIs and not change the rules every time someone has a better idea.

19:09:43 [AaronSw]

Right, it's remedies like those that I think will really be successful

19:09:59 [AaronSw]

Not a breakup

19:10:25 [AaronSw]

And we can add a "Monopoly Tax" on Windows.

19:10:27 [talli]

hmm... don't think so. but i guess we'll find out soon enough.

19:10:40 [davb]

Well its all we can hope for.

19:10:46 [davb]

(real remedies)

19:11:05 [talli]

why is dave winer such an ass?

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19:13:29 [davb]

Cool:

19:13:39 [davb]

http://www.factsquad.org

19:13:39 [chump]

A: http://www.factsquad.org from davb

19:14:05 [davb]

A: "Fact Squad is a clearinghouse for information regarding the technical, societal, legal, and other ramifications of our increasingly technological societies in an array of subject areas"

19:14:05 [chump]

commented item A

19:14:47 [talli]

well, a) he is not too smart, at least for sure not as smart as he thinks he is (i would be happy to explain this more in a bit)

19:14:53 [talli]

dunno about that.

19:15:09 [talli]

i don't appreciate the 46th implementation of XML-RPC for aolserver

19:15:17 [talli]

which he said about your work

19:15:25 [talli]

b) he is an arrogant prick

19:15:39 [talli]

c) he is a bad writer

19:15:40 [talli]

oh, really?

19:15:41 [talli]

haha

19:16:04 [talli]

ok, so now i will withhold all my comments and laugh that he's a drunk

19:16:10 [talli]

oh lordy.

19:16:24 [talli]

so he's an exhibitionist drunk, huh?

19:16:24 [davb]

What is wrong with the announcment?

19:16:45 [talli]

it's too sarcastic.

19:17:03 [talli]

if he's such a proponent of XML-RPC, why does he crap on another implementation?

19:17:21 [davb]

I don't think so. Read down. He mentions the 45th implementation the day before.

19:17:40 [talli]

oh, the 46th implementation overall...

19:17:42 [davb]

I wonder who told him.

19:17:43 [talli]

ok, now i get it.

19:17:44 [davb]

Right.

19:17:56 [davb]

And we are on the top of the implementation page.

19:17:59 [talli]

so i shouldn't crap on him for this.

19:18:13 [talli]

i started reading his stuff in 97 or 98

19:18:37 [talli]

i stopped when he posted something about some kind of almost orgy/intervention he attended.

19:19:02 [davb]

actually its the same day and he is complaining about sun hijacking XML RPC as a generic term and not mentioning XML-RPC.

19:19:15 [davb]

he says there are 45 XML-RPC implementations.

19:19:28 [davb]

A few paragraphs later he says there are now 46.

19:21:21 [davb]

Anyway, talli. ETP is really cool. I am thinking of adding some sort of categorization based on the CR into it.

19:22:52 [talli]

thanks dave

19:22:57 [AaronSw]

http://www.nomoretests.com/pranks.html

19:22:58 [chump]

B: http://www.nomoretests.com/pranks.html from AaronSw

19:23:00 [talli]

i really appreciate it

19:23:09 [AaronSw]

B:|What to do with your standardized test

19:23:09 [chump]

titled item B

19:23:19 [talli]

we're hoping to extend it alot. but please go ahead and add whatever you need

19:24:13 [vinod]

hey talli! how's maui treatin ya?

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19:24:15 [davb]

Sure. I want to get my weblog running on there very soon.

19:24:41 [davb]

AaronSw: didn't some kids in Massachusetts boycott a test? Like the whole class?

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davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the topic? What topic? channel http://openacs.org

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19:27:08 [talli]

maui is treating me well.

19:27:16 [talli]

i went on a night dive with my dad last night. very very cool

19:27:29 [vinod]

excellent! scuba diving?

19:27:33 [talli]

ya

19:27:50 [vinod]

wow, that must have been beautiful

19:27:57 [talli]

totally amazing

19:28:03 [talli]

like being on the moon

19:28:14 [vinod]

have you done it before?

19:28:34 [talli]

i've been diving for a while. but that was the first night dive

19:31:29 [vinod]

* vinod adds 'learn scuba diving' to his to-do list

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19:48:35 [davb]

http://bofhcam.org/co-larters/

19:48:35 [chump]

C: http://bofhcam.org/co-larters/ from davb

19:48:41 [davb]

C:|O'REALLY

19:48:41 [chump]

titled item C

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21:48:31 [AaronSw]

http://bofhcam.org/co-larters/

21:48:31 [chump]

D: http://bofhcam.org/co-larters/ from AaronSw

21:48:45 [AaronSw]

D:|Great O'Really Books!

21:48:45 [chump]

titled item D

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22:18:26 [markd2]

anyone do much ecommerce stuff?

22:20:57 [markd2]

* markd2 is wondering how to handle some inventory issues

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anyone done credit card authentication stuff?