00:22:59 loggy has joined #openacs 00:22:59 topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/ 00:22:59 Users on #openacs: loggy markd GEM davb rbm shagster abbaJ strainmaker AaronSw andyn chump 00:22:59 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:23:11 loggy is as loggy does 00:24:48 Psychephylax has joined #openacs 00:24:51 Hi guys 00:30:12 yö 00:32:39 Hi. 00:39:16 Hey Psychephylax, have you looked at the category stuff in the Content Repostiory? 00:48:32 Hey. Does anyone have a good reference on using advanced typgraphic symbols like curly quotes in HTML and having them actually work? 00:49:25 the back of the o'reilley book has a listing of the &codes; for most of the M$ character set 00:50:39 I wonder if my oreilly online book subscribtion to the webmaster set is still active... 00:51:20 Cool. It still is. 00:51:45 I was thinking of joining oreilly safari. Maybe I will to check out books before I buy. 00:53:20 should be 132 and 147... 00:55:06 Argh. it doesn;t seem to work in Opera 5 for linux (or its my fonts...) 00:56:13 Seems to be opera. Even postscript fonts aren't working... 01:01:47 if the page is reachable by me, I can look with a mac browser 01:03:26 try http://design.deepskydesign.com:8000/quote.html 01:03:29 thanks 01:04:27 name doesn't resolve for me 01:05:01 hmmm... I must have screwed up the DNS 01:06:16 Please try again. I never entered it in DNS. 01:06:19 (duh!) 01:06:28 BTW, I love tinydns. 01:08:40 not resolving for home, but it does on an aD bo 01:08:43 lemme try the ip 01:09:10 for right quote, there's a ,, style quote at the bottom of the line 01:09:28 hmmmm..... 01:09:35 for left quote, there's a, how to describe 01:09:41 at the botoom. 01:09:43 like a comma, but rotated 180 degrees 01:09:54 screen shot coming up 01:10:17 thanks. Apparently those don't work... I got that from HTML definitive guide 3rd edition. 01:11:47 http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quote.gif 01:11:48 F: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quote.gif from markd 01:11:57 f: a screen shot for davb 01:12:15 F:| a screen shot for davb 01:12:15 titled item F 01:12:25 (needs to be capitalized) 01:12:45 Cool. the left quote is correct. The right one is not.... 01:12:56 What browser is that? 01:13:04 netscape 4.7ish 01:13:19 those entries have that dreaded "!!!" in the conformance column 01:13:37 I found out there is “ and ” but that definitely doesn;t work in netsacpe 4 01:14:00 Am I going to have to go to each of your houses and install a new browser?? :) 01:14:07 oh god 01:14:10 I forgot about this 01:14:11 lol 01:14:17 hmm.. there's two 'right double quotes' 01:15:06 I missed that one... 01:15:21 hold on 01:16:10 * Psychephylax caught up 01:16:15 mind checking it again? 01:16:47 God this is going to suck 01:16:49 :D 01:17:03 Any of you guys ever set up a Radius server? 01:17:06 I am going to have to talk to the guy that wrote the article that said you should use them because they are nicer to read and they work in HTML. 01:18:55 Ok, one of you guys are bound to know this 01:19:17 My boss wants me to cvs new releases/modifications every sunday 01:19:23 much nicer 01:19:23 What's the proper procedure for this? 01:19:28 this: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quote2.gif 01:19:30 Cool. 01:19:54 Spiffy. It works in old netscape. But not new Opera.... 01:20:00 I'll check it with IE later. 01:20:05 (and Opera windows) 01:20:35 might just be a font issue 01:20:47 Read all the CVS stuff at http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/ 01:20:55 Could be, I tried all my fonts though. 01:21:21 Not they are that great. I have to install the 200 type 1 fonts I have on my windows partition in linux. 01:21:57 http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/version-control/ 01:21:57 G: http://www.arsdigita.com/asj/version-control/ from davb 01:22:11 G:| Version Control for Web Development using CVS 01:22:12 titled item G 01:22:28 hang on 01:22:34 Doing school work..then I'll pay more attention 01:22:39 But I did go to that link 01:22:47 or 01:23:00 Its really good. Read it three or four times. Also read the CVS book. 01:23:12 the coriolis cvs book? 01:23:19 that one Rules with a capital R 01:23:30 I think so. I read the free part when I need help. 01:23:43 http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ 01:23:43 H: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ from davb 01:23:45 I splurged for the dead-trees version. veddy nice 01:23:51 H:| The CVS Book 01:23:51 titled item H 01:24:04 I should get it, but my book budget is a little low right now. 01:24:39 Plus I just type "cvs book" in google and click on the first link (should cut that down by using I am feeling lucky button) 01:28:42 mozilla 0.9.3 shows regular quotes for all three...is any font. 01:29:24 Opera on linux appears to not handle the entities correctly. 01:30:37 aha. “ and ” display regular quotes on Opera 5 for linux. 01:30:53 (I'll have to come back later and read the log to compile this info) 01:32:49 AaronSw has quit 01:41:18 AaronSw has joined #openacs 01:45:58 k 01:46:07 gotta scan this cvs stuff and ask more questions :D 01:46:18 Multitasking with one brain is hard... 01:46:38 * Psychephylax searches google for a multi-brain housing 01:49:01 AaronSw: Do you know if domain based subsites ever made it into ACS 4? 01:49:17 No, I don't think they did. 01:49:24 Or at least if they did, they never closed the ticket. 01:49:32 But there's a patch available for it. 01:49:39 I see. I'll look at the OpenACS code to see if its in there. 01:49:45 Right. I am reading that thread again. 01:52:00 ok 01:52:03 question :) 01:52:43 If I'm not customizing any of the ACS stuff yet...It's better for me to just fetch the new ACS stuff and put my stuff in there 01:53:12 however, if I'm modifying the ACS stuff it would be best for me to merge the new CVS release with my current work (after backing it up of course)...Correct? 01:53:29 Right. 01:53:58 ok 01:54:46 the link to that patch is broken! 01:55:52 What patch? 01:56:34 domain based subsites 01:57:51 oh 01:58:55 i got X working at work 01:58:59 at a good resolution too 01:59:03 Cool. 01:59:08 yeah 01:59:10 I'm happy 01:59:19 I got that and Win2K for when I'm feeling gay 02:02:05 AHHH win2k, how dare you say that, shame 02:02:13 ewwww 02:02:13 well 02:02:18 markd has quit 02:02:18 :/ 02:02:20 I know I know 02:02:24 I never use it at work though 02:02:28 I do at home 02:03:01 has a win2k box at work. Uses it as a foot rest :) 02:04:42 Hmm..forgot the /me there *grr* 02:04:53 lol 02:05:03 I have all sorts of OSes here and there 02:05:23 Win2K/FreeBSD 4.4RC dual P2 450's/SCSI at work 02:05:57 Win2K/Linux Mandrake 8.0/FreeBSD 4.4-PRE Athlon 550 for "stuph at home" 02:06:01 Win98SE for gaming 02:06:07 FreeBSD 4.3 for my server 02:08:20 I have Two Solaris 8 boxes, Serveral Suse and Debian boxes, with OpenBSD and Freebsd boxes 02:08:36 In fact uptime.openacs.org is running on Solaris 8 right now :) 02:10:40 hehe 02:10:59 Google doesn't seem to have a copy of the patch either. 02:11:31 anyone seen vinod recently? 02:11:55 nope 02:12:03 davb what patch are you looking for? 02:12:26 rats 02:12:30 I wanted to talk to him about code 02:14:52 He was here today. 02:14:59 ah 02:16:12 Psychephylax: what OS are you on now? 02:19:06 Win2Gay 02:19:12 well 02:19:13 actually 02:19:18 FreeBSD 02:19:29 but I'm ssh'ing into the server 02:20:24 Yeah! Opera is distributed in DEB 02:20:58 heh 02:21:05 How is Debian? 02:21:21 very nice. 02:21:28 I want a FreeBSD style OS with Linux hardware/software support 02:22:01 I've tried FreeBSD, Red Hat, Mandrake and I've looked at Suse and all of them but FreeBSD are like bloated windows lol 02:23:13 quotes are still busted in the latest Opera. 02:23:46 Debian is nice. You can install whatever you want. Of course the default install always installs a bunch of crap you don't need. 02:24:02 ah 02:24:05 I don't like that 02:26:56 You can install the barebones debian off two floppies though. They just get the packages you want. 02:27:37 s/They/Then 02:29:46 Actually, I like SuSE. Of course I do a min. install and install what I need 02:34:29 yeah 02:34:32 That's how I am 02:34:37 bare bones and then install what I need 02:34:59 the only thing I hate about Linux (well, Red hat and mandrake) is how they try to install rpm packages or source 02:35:09 source is not even included 02:35:25 but RPM crap is dumb and can't fetch dependencies as far as I remember 02:35:43 And even if it can, like cooker...it doesn't know how to install them in the right order 02:39:48 Don has spoken. Looks like I need to get to work to get categories into ETP (or email Luke) 02:47:12 I have up on Redhat 2 years ago 02:47:50 SuSE's package install in YaST will get the dependancy for you...it is done fairly well 02:51:36 brb 02:51:37 Psychephylax has quit 03:08:09 Bye. 03:08:10 davb has quit 05:09:49 strainmaker has quit 05:24:06 strainmaker has joined #openacs 08:12:05 djg has joined #openacs 08:13:58 PascalS has joined #openacs 08:20:24 hey pascal 08:20:27 how was HAL? 08:20:31 Very good. 08:20:39 Lots and lots of ppl 08:20:50 didn't bring a PC tho, so dunno about the network 08:21:04 Madrid was hot, incredibly hot 08:21:14 Maybe HAL would have been a better choice ;) 08:21:39 Met with Dave del Torto from cryptorights.org, I think I have found a new purpose for my hobbies :) 08:21:54 HAL was a tid bit wet. 08:22:11 which is? 08:22:15 are you a CVS guru? 08:22:28 CVS: I know my way around 08:22:28 Label CVS not found. 08:22:58 CRF.org is making crypto/security work for human rights organizations. 08:23:04 hmm, i have a strange problem: i dont get new directories with cvs updates? 08:23:23 cvs -z3 update -dP? 08:23:29 oh cool. is strong cryptography illegal in the NL? 08:23:37 Nope, very legal 08:24:00 sort of like germany 08:24:02 same here (but not in France for example) 08:24:38 France has become somewhat more liberal than in the past, but remember they are not a NATO country. 08:25:11 At one point they even prohibited XOR encryption :) 08:25:16 haha 08:26:05 But Bull, Slumberger, et al are now allowed to export their crypto products with not much trouble... 08:26:30 There is a very good reason why a lot of crypto stuff comes from the benelux/germany :) 08:26:41 Did CVS work now? 08:27:25 yeah 08:27:33 ok. RTFM? 08:27:43 i did, i did 08:35:36 til has joined #openacs 09:08:22 til has quit 09:18:09 PascalS has quit 09:40:41 PascalS has joined #openacs 09:42:22 PascalS has quit 09:42:42 til has joined #openacs 09:51:39 ola has joined #openacs 09:59:59 PascalS has joined #openacs 11:43:31 ola has quit 12:39:04 markd has joined #openacs 12:52:16 PascalS has quit 12:56:34 davb has joined #openacs 12:56:46 Hi! 13:00:10 greetings 13:03:40 windows daily crash and reboot brb 13:03:43 davb has quit 13:19:52 til has quit 13:20:06 davb has joined #openacs 13:20:21 til has joined #openacs 13:36:41 Oh sure! IE renders the quotes just fine. Its a browser issue. Even on Mozilla 0.9.3 and Opera 5.0.5 13:37:16 IE 5.5 that is (windows obviously) 13:38:04 Actually its a font and browser issue. Geoslab renders all left quotes... 13:45:01 markd is now known as markd2 13:51:46 ola has joined #openacs 13:58:45 andyn has quit 14:00:32 andyn has joined #openacs 14:00:36 andyn has quit 14:04:22 jerryasher has joined #openacs 14:04:54 andyn has joined #openacs 14:05:00 andyn has quit 14:06:44 jerryasher has quit 14:08:29 jerryasher has joined #openacs 14:13:39 jerryasher has quit 14:13:58 andyn has joined #openacs 14:14:03 andyn has quit 14:15:07 markd2 has quit 14:32:28 markd2 has joined #openacs 14:38:33 markd2 has quit 14:55:23 markd2 has joined #openacs 15:08:40 djg has quit 15:21:55 n/cler all 15:21:59 hmm 15:22:07 nuclear all? 15:27:06 nuclear, it cleans anything :) 15:27:26 heh 15:27:28 it's a blast 15:27:31 it'll glow on you too 15:28:01 and glowing is nice, saves all the money on lights 15:28:05 davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the markd2has joined #openacs/markd2 has quit IRC channel 15:28:22 Interesting topic. 15:29:24 big brother is tracking him I guess 15:29:42 heh 15:29:45 davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline http://openacs.org 15:29:53 yeah, I was having connection problems 15:30:10 * davb hugs Roadrunner 15:30:24 AOL may own it, but it really works. 15:30:25 * shagster has acme service 15:30:31 * markd2 has nothing 15:32:10 Just wait fiber to the curb is coming.... 15:33:08 wooHoo, think of the pr0n access times! 15:36:35 heh 15:36:50 vinod has joined #openacs 15:37:44 hey DOc 15:37:46 er, Doc 15:38:16 howdy markd2! 15:38:21 what happened to markd? 15:38:51 Hi vinod. 15:38:57 hey dave! 15:44:10 the original markd wanted it back 15:44:17 he had it for a couple of years, so I gave in 15:44:20 * markd2 is a pushover 15:44:27 what?? 15:44:32 man, we woulda had your back! 15:44:59 you ruffian you 15:45:18 :-) uhh.. i meant ... *way* back 15:46:13 anyway, i think i'm used to the 2. it's like markd-squared 15:46:19 * markd2 is square 15:46:24 that's why I don't play jazz well 15:46:29 haha 15:47:10 talli was here the other day, wishing that he could play brass. i told him to look you up 15:48:06 cool 15:48:10 I'll bug him next time I see 'em 15:48:35 he's in maui right now apparently 15:48:42 poor guy 15:48:53 my heart bleeds 15:49:25 Aha, now we know why he's not around. 15:50:25 he was mentioning how he was watching the sunrise over the pacific behind his laptop 15:50:34 that's talli - never one to rub it in 15:52:23 this a client gig? 15:53:49 hmm... he didn't say. i suspect he's trying to set up some offshore thing to embezzle money from museatech, but doesn't realize that hawaii is part of the u.s. 15:54:27 man, it's not as much fun to make fun of him when he's not around :-) (hopefully he'll read the logs!) 15:55:02 heh 15:55:04 * markd2 taunts talli from afar 15:55:12 lol 15:55:37 Hey. ETP is kinda a pain. Say a content type has 5 attributes. You can to go to 5 different pages to set them all. 15:55:45 Shouldn't they all be on one form?? 15:56:00 Perhaps it is a permission thing. 15:56:44 yeah, you'd expect them all to be visible from one page 15:59:02 Yeah. Its a little clunky for news. There is not built in way to define how long a story goes for. You have to manually enter the dates. 16:04:38 Of course, I am sure you could build the rules into the system somehow. 16:05:27 I am trying to hack together a weblog that automatically creates a new URL for each day index and the individual page for each item. 16:07:02 hey cool. someone sent in nsxmlrpc to XML-RPC.com. We are first due to alphabeticalness 16:07:33 I really have to bug someone so I can export a release. 16:08:27 i think the sdm is kinda whacked out right now. 16:08:32 bsdm 16:09:07 haha - markd2 is a stickler for using the proper name 16:09:46 at least I should put instructions on how to anonymous checkout the source. 16:09:50 the original open-source aolserver folks called it just SaDoMasochism 16:10:41 off to nap before a client relaunch tonight 16:10:42 markd2 has quit 16:59:56 hey nsxmlrpc made scripting news 17:12:35 yep. 17:13:05 I haven't been able to get the SDM to spit out a release. 17:17:33 Its first on xmlrpc.com due to the A in AOL. 17:21:41 heh! 17:30:18 I tarred it up and put it on my site with a link from the SDM. 17:31:40 docwolf has joined #openacs 17:32:26 Hi docwolf 17:32:33 howdy 17:46:40 davb has quit 17:47:02 davb has joined #openacs 17:48:06 wow! photo.net has a new comparison shop: http://www.photo.net/ezshop/category 17:49:13 docwolf has quit 17:51:56 * rbm was lurking. But now he has to to go class 18:49:38 gilbertw has joined #openacs 18:54:57 talli has joined #openacs 18:55:12 hail vinod 18:56:44 Hi talli. 18:57:05 Reading the logs, talli? 18:57:52 no, why? did vinod establish his indisputed greatness, again? 18:58:02 Oh, indisputably. 18:58:13 all hail vinod 18:58:55 this is a sad day for all in the software world 18:59:10 and we are further embarrassed by a retarded president 18:59:19 Ugh, you fell for that? 18:59:24 ugh, I can't stand all this phooey about the microsoft breakup 18:59:24 there are plenty of other, strict remedies, folks 18:59:24 and you really think the bush administration is going soft on microsoft with orrin hatch around? 18:59:29 everyone hear about the microsoft decision by the DOJ? 18:59:42 * AaronSw was looking for someone to rant at about this 19:00:04 dunno about strict remedies 19:00:12 Are you kidding? 19:00:33 Breaking up the company would be the worst decision. 19:00:35 if you're going to follow the market rules approach that monolopolies are ok, i doubt anyone is going to try and pass corporate rules 19:00:39 The company would do 10x better. 19:00:49 well, that's not the point 19:00:53 Heh. 19:01:34 the companies' evaluations would surely go up, and their softwares' may continue to flourish, but there would be the opportunity for competition 19:01:58 IOW, maybe word would be ported to linux 19:02:11 No there wouldn't, because the way they were planning to split the company the two companies woulkdn't compete 19:02:33 So we would have two seperate monopolies? 19:02:44 It's like the Sorcerer's apprentice. 19:03:03 Two monopolies aren't much better than one. 19:03:08 well, that would assume that the split would be in two. 19:03:21 i can name about 4 or 5 different companies to make. 19:03:27 i doubt they would do it in two. 19:03:35 That was the proposal. 19:03:44 Great, 5 monopolies. Oh boy. 19:04:01 not necessarily. 19:04:18 they might compete with one another. 19:04:39 Great, showdown of the shoddy software. Just what I wanted. 19:04:42 in addition, they would support software that competes with the sister companies 19:04:47 It still woudn't affect Microsoft as much as a conduct remedy. 19:05:04 so that the application companies would support competing OSes. and the OSes would do the same to the apps 19:05:19 That is a dream. 19:05:28 The best solution I've heard of is to make Slashdot vote on every new feature added to a MS product. 19:06:19 The company would be so bogged down in the endless discussion that their products would never come out. 19:06:32 How is that different than now? 19:06:45 They come out with new versions with no features. 19:06:52 We could also put tobacco-esque labeling on the boxes, and prevent them from advertising. 19:08:05 talli has quit 19:08:07 All in all, after you put enough restrictions on them that they'd stop behaving like an agressive monopolist, some competition will develop. 19:08:12 talli has joined #openacs 19:08:16 All in all, after you put enough restrictions on them that they'd stop behaving like an agressive monopolist, some competition will develop. 19:08:20 I like this: WARNING: The Attorney General has determined that Windows may cause stress, hard-drive failure and a plague of locusts. 19:08:32 :) 19:08:36 well, i just missed all that you wrote 19:08:54 Read it at: http://blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/2001-09-06.txt 19:08:56 but i don't see that helping much for cigarretes, and those actually do kill people. 19:09:19 It would be nice. All they really need to do is publish APIs and not change the rules every time someone has a better idea. 19:09:43 Right, it's remedies like those that I think will really be successful 19:09:59