00:00:53 holy fuck! 00:00:56 i just found an easter egg in something 00:01:09 AaronSw, do you have quickeys? 00:01:18 not yet 00:01:35 i think i found a cool easter egg 00:01:52 what's it do? 00:01:53 yeah, definitely 00:02:10 it shows a window called "3 haired, 4 eyed cross eye smiley hockey playing monster" 00:02:16 it's a rounded picture. 00:02:16 a drawing 00:02:37 what webcam program do you use? 00:02:49 coolcam 00:03:02 how long does the demo last? 00:03:24 unlimited. 00:04:08 nice 00:06:31 whoo, webcam! http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/webcam 00:07:07 whoo! 00:07:12 ack! no meta refresh page! 00:07:26 i am lazy! furnish me with meta! 00:08:07 you shouldn't need a separate page 00:08:09 hold, on, let me get the cron job up first 00:08:22 deltab, what's the correct header? 00:08:35 a cronjob? 00:08:35 coolcam should do it for you. 00:08:40 it's not standard 00:08:40 it has ftp upload capabilities. 00:09:03 server push? 00:09:14 but it "Refresh: " and a number of seconds 00:11:31 odd, apache is adding the header 4 times 00:11:46 the meta tag used is I think 00:12:07 ahh, needed to change Header add to Header sert 00:12:09 err set 00:12:32 AaronSw: 00:12:38 ./popread && perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r/g' "../Documents/Eudora Folder/Mail Folder/test" && /Developer/Tools/SetFile -c CSOm -t TEXT "../Documents/Eudora Folder/Mail Folder/test" && osascript quickeys-bridge.script 00:12:38 that's my final command. 00:12:50 redmonk (sid@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 00:13:24 downloads the mail, filters, fixes the linefeeds and c/t, and then runs a simple applescript that loads quickeys which loads a mouse recording that opens eudora, sets the mailox and does a filter 00:13:24 heh, heh. 00:13:40 it works perfectly:) 00:13:45 amazing 00:13:48 AaronSw has changed the topic to: see me at home: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/webcam | see you at oscon: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000371 00:15:39 whoa. camera fell 00:15:45 what's in you rmouth? 00:16:00 teeth 00:23:34 redmonk has quit ("Snak 4.8.3 - http://www.snak.com") 00:23:58 i wanna see your face. 00:23:58 not your cute widdle hands. 00:24:28 eyeball. 00:24:28 mmm. 00:24:30 * MorbusIff pokes,. 00:26:04 heh. cams are fun. 00:27:23 who's that? 00:27:29 ben? 00:27:31 noah 00:27:50 jesus christ, there's so many of you 00:28:12 look, it's morbus! 00:28:48 oOohh. 00:28:55 noah, morbus and jesus christ. nice 00:29:33 whee, hall of mirrors 00:30:49 heh. 00:31:01 i can't stand the dock on the left hand side. 00:31:01 i have so many thingies in mine though 00:31:18 yeah 00:31:28 the dock on the bottom just wastes so much screen space for me 00:32:08 the thing is, the dock works perfectly at the bottom for me, cos i used those stickie folder things in 9. 00:32:08 you know, the popup folder tab things 00:32:17 i hate the hide feature. 00:32:28 i man, it sounds good, but it never seems fast enough for me. 00:32:37 and sometimes, when i'm bored and thinking, i run the mouse over the icons and watch it animate. 00:32:42 helps me concentrate. its fucked up 00:34:27 hide feature 00:34:41 oh, the autohide thing? 00:35:00 * AaronSw stacks books 00:35:30 yeah 00:37:01 AaronSw, how do you report spam to razor? 00:37:12 me specifically? 00:37:14 i wrote an applescript 00:37:24 you wanna mail it to me? 00:37:47 it's for entourage 00:41:06 that's alright 00:41:30 it requires the python osa plugin 00:42:01 ok. nevermidn 00:42:16 heh 00:42:25 it's pretty easy, just cat the email to razor-report 00:42:41 yaeh, i was really looking for how you did the command stuff in as. 00:43:07 ah 00:43:12 i used python :-) 00:43:16 hehehe 00:43:22 that made it easy 00:43:41 man, my system works real well here. 00:43:46 but i think you can call the command line from AS now 00:43:49 i'm really happy with it. 00:43:55 too bad it won't work at work 00:43:55 yeah, i think you can. 00:44:06 true. 00:44:14 thats alright though 00:44:23 i wouldn't expect it to. it's windows. 00:44:24 blech 00:44:32 man, i like seeing you. 00:44:34 whoo. 00:44:38 man, i feel like a perv. 00:44:46 i'm *watching* you Aaron. 00:44:50 wanna meet somewhere? wink, wink. 00:46:08 pringles! 00:46:20 for my antenna 00:46:21 heh, heh, reload now 00:46:24 airport hub! 00:46:33 BWAHAHAHA 00:47:03 you wuv me, and you know it 00:47:12 don't make me get my cam ;) 00:47:17 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 00:47:53 ok, reload now :) 00:47:55 hey wmf 00:48:02 swhack 00:48:04 heheheheh 00:48:08 heh 00:48:40 evening wmf. 00:49:22 brb 00:49:23 MorbusIff has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:50:44 poor David Mc 00:50:51 Morbus (morbus@s88.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:51:10 yeah, i'm tempted to go over to his house and help 00:51:51 I'll put you on my weblog 00:51:52 what you say ! 00:52:01 heh 00:52:24 I've never set up an airport base station, so I can't really help 00:53:12 * Morbus starts writing directions on eudora/spamassassin 00:55:17 * wmf manages to fend off some Mormon missionaries 00:55:32 they came to your apartment? 00:55:36 yep 00:56:02 what are you doing here? 00:56:02 we were sent here by are leader, THE SUPREME ASH 00:56:15 heh 00:56:23 what's the difference between Ash and God? 00:56:42 i dunno 00:56:51 God doesn't think he's Ash 00:56:54 @ http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=35008&cid=3783792 00:56:56 groan 00:56:58 uh. aaron? 00:56:58 A: Ransom Love to Focus on UnitedLinux from wmf 00:57:03 Morbus? 00:57:11 A:|C: A Dead Language? 00:57:12 titled item A 00:57:21 i think people will know your webcam address if they're looking at your cam 00:57:26 heh 00:57:47 not if it gets pirated! 00:57:53 hehehe 00:58:02 * Morbus loads it up into iCamMaster 00:58:07 i'm gonna suggest it. 00:58:11 yeah, it always sucks when peopl warez your webcam 00:58:13 you'll be pirated everywhere in a week! 00:58:16 heheh 00:58:21 that's why Palladium is critically important! 00:58:34 say it again! *critically* 00:58:41 yeah, i'm like totally worried about my email getting pirated 00:58:48 for you, Morbus, anything 00:58:58 that's why Palladium is CRITICALLY important! 00:59:51 anybody know an app that can put a webcam image in the dock? 01:00:02 bip0lar_ has left #swhack 01:00:37 * AaronSw downloads icammaster before realizing he doesn't need to watch his webcam 01:00:47 heh 01:00:53 AaronSw, you can watch many. 01:00:58 i could ship you off my folder 01:01:04 wow, this webcam is awesome 01:01:04 can you watch them in the dock? 01:01:13 nope, but you can add them to the desktop 01:01:18 weird -- this guy looks just like me 01:01:25 its shareware though. stops after 30 minutes. 01:01:42 [off] cracks are avalable, but they get blocked quickly (webcheck) 01:02:01 [off] firewalling, baby 01:02:18 [off] heh, heh. 01:02:36 serialz.hotornot.com 01:04:25 I wish versiontracker could figure out that I'm using OS X 01:04:31 me too 01:04:38 * Morbus chimes in 01:04:50 I'm sure that "OmniWeb" string in my user-agent makes it hard to tell 01:05:18 heh! maybe you're running NeXT... 01:05:56 * wmf tries PhotoStickies 01:10:18 * wmf shrinks AaronSw into the corner of his screen 01:10:38 see i have an excuse since this is fir work 01:10:52 ooh, lurk lets me shrink into the dock 01:11:11 you need a webcam, wmf 01:12:13 it seems that irez doesn't want to sell me a kritterdigital 01:12:23 why not? 01:13:02 bipOlar (~bipolar@adsl-64-109-205-247.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 01:13:30 maybe because it's a "professional product" 01:13:59 bipOlar has left #swhack 01:14:26 don't want kritters to be taken by the camgirls 01:14:50 heaven forbid that the masses should get ahold of such advanced technology 01:16:18 wow, the space shuttle has a webcam 01:27:52 Psycho (Psycho@202.67.97.140) has joined #swhack 01:32:15 where'd you get the tcpa-faq link, wmf? 01:32:36 that web site that millions of people (except you) read 01:32:43 oh 01:33:44 :-) 01:35:16 boxscar (~hobojo@66-109-193-91.nocharge.com) has joined #swhack 01:36:30 whose in? 01:38:26 aha! dave farber likes it because he invented it 01:40:25 i wanna copy a cd but it keeps defaulting. anybody know how to get around that lil prob? 01:42:43 boxscar has left #swhack 01:45:50 if DMc got pages on his tibook thru the ABS, what's the problem? 01:46:29 I don't know 01:46:39 although it sounds like he has NAT on 01:49:26 goddamit. now quickeys keeps crashing 01:53:10 Psycho has quit () 01:54:28 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:56:09 Why does the ABS need an IP? 02:15:57 I wish I knew what the UI for the Airport Admin Utility looked like 02:16:26 i only know what the OS 9 one looks like 02:16:38 http://www.stanford.edu/group/networking/lnaguide/docs/airportconfig.html 02:16:43 that should give you some idea, tho 02:18:39 I don't really trust that 02:18:59 in what sense? 02:19:05 it matches up very well with my memory 02:19:16 they've added some features I think 02:19:32 probably 02:22:53 how did you break your base station?? 02:23:22 Hm, I don't remember. 02:23:42 I know it's sitting in pieces downstairs, and we own a non-Apple replacement. 02:24:48 I think it just stopped workign one day. 02:25:15 It's annoying because the new one doesn't support AppleTalk. 02:31:10 you could just not use AppleTalk 02:31:42 well, occasionally my brothers want to print something so i need to 02:31:44 tansaku_xz (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 02:31:57 i, having a paperless life, never need to print something 02:32:10 I don't even have a printer 02:32:22 I have several printers 02:32:47 M8K comin' soon at this rate 02:32:55 sometimes technical papers are difficult to digest when not on paper 03:51:09 @ http://audiogalaxy.com/articles/index.php?a=274&& 03:51:18 B: The Future of Audiogalaxy from AaronSw 03:51:25 B::You get to vote! 03:51:28 commented item B 03:58:31 google guy: "with that infusion of cash [from the VCs] that made my day 03:58:35 (beat) 03:58:37 a lot harder" 03:59:11 google guy is Jim Reese 04:06:13 wmf has quit ("BitchX: it tastes like poo") 04:12:46 Google head of operations: "although we are philosphically against patents[...] we have to keep proprietary for business reasons" "we would like to contribute code back to the linux community" 04:31:29 * AaronSw <- sleep 08:21:57 tansaku_xz has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:35:06 tansaku_xz (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 11:11:35 tansaku_xz has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 11:34:16 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:51:54 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 11:55:29 pixel has quit ("Leaving, Swiging My Piece of Ass. http://www.perceive.net") 12:14:58 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:35:50 tansaku_xz (sam@210.128.185.150) has joined #swhack 13:05:20 bitsko (~KenMacLeo@66.187.196.132) has joined #swhack 13:05:39 bitsy bitsko. 13:05:47 cest moi 13:18:50 [[[ 13:18:50 Consider this a virtual pat on the back. We're actually surprised no one has found this sooner. 13:18:50 I've attached a prettier way to display it. 13:18:51 ]]] 13:18:57 i found an easter egg. and that's what I get back. 13:19:00 i was hoping for a car. 13:19:28 whazzat? 13:20:09 in quickeys for X. 13:20:15 there's a hidden window with a funny name and drawing. 13:20:22 ah 13:20:23 i found it last night fiddling with eudora and spamassassin 13:21:00 tansaku_xz has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:24:06 [off] or at the very least, a legal serial number in my name ;) 13:25:01 hehe 13:30:04 [off] heh! a speaking invite from comdex 13:30:14 [off] they'll probably card me at the show floor and not let me in 13:31:04 [off] heh, heh! 13:31:15 [off] tell em you're a midget and that you're offended. 13:31:20 [off] then swig some beer. 13:48:21 oooh, if this works well, it looks good: http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=15340&db=mac 13:48:47 i wonder if it can detect id3 changes and save new files accordingly. 14:27:10 I've been using a program called Total Recorder for windows (actually bought a license). 14:27:23 does the same thing, does it real well. 14:27:35 you can even schedule it to start/stop recordings. 14:27:54 I have it set to record a bunch of talk shows off a local radio stations stream. 14:28:01 would that be a FiMo? 14:28:16 * bitsko really reached for that one 14:28:57 FiMo? 14:29:39 TV --> TiVo, FM --> FiMo 14:29:56 I tell ya, it was a reach 14:31:23 HEHEH 14:31:30 actually, it' 14:31:32 oops. 14:31:56 it'd be more like SiCo. 14:32:03 SoutCast TiVO :) 14:32:54 I have a nice little script that automatically dumps the recorded MP3s to my palm pilot (which plays MP3s), so I can listen to them on the way home from work. 14:33:31 nice 14:33:43 * bitsko needs toys 14:34:22 next toy is the entry-level 5.1 sound system for the big tv 14:48:40 ooh, fimos are cool 14:57:33 fimos? 15:03:18 like a TiVo, only for FM radio. 15:03:23 FiMo. 15:03:40 bitsko coined that one :) 15:04:34 pixel: your FiMO - does it split the songs into files? 15:04:38 or is it a single large file of the stream? 15:04:55 i'd love to get some game music from various broadcasts, but only if it's id3'd into ind. files. 15:05:16 * sbp looks up like 5 degrees and goes "oh yeah" 15:05:49 hmm. let me see. 15:06:19 it's busy. hold on. 15:07:44 http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/06/27.html 15:08:56 GabeW (~chatzilla@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 15:09:42 @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/06/27.html 15:09:45 "the power and richness of Windows any time and anywhere" 15:09:48 C: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/06/27.html from bitsko 15:10:01 C:|Transmeta gadgets and paradigm shift gear grinding 15:10:03 titled item C 15:11:02 C:describes a gadget using a Transmeta Crusoe CPU in a "PDA box" that then plugs into your desktop, then you can move into your laptop. 15:11:15 C:but I have to ask, what's the big deal? 15:11:21 i didn't know transmeta made iBooks... http://www.transmeta.com/everywhere/products/notebooks/gericom/gericom_a2.html 15:12:11 pixel: don't think it does. 15:12:56 C:I can see the nicety of having, say, a FireWire drive with a nice PDA screen and input; but then you plug it in to your N-Way desktop or laptop and it becomes "just another CPU". 15:13:27 [GlobalNotice] http://www.affero.com 15:13:48 [GlobalNotice] Just take a look if you get a chance. 15:14:29 lilo is not a choice in the pop up menu! 15:15:54 C:even better, you're running either a VM (Java, CLR) or portable binaries (Amiga VP Code) so that you can use the low-powered Transmeta Crusoe alongside your high-powered Intel or PowerPC 15:16:55 oops, it has to be two :s, bitsko 15:17:07 i.e. C::describes a gadget using a Transmeta Crusoe CPU in a "PDA box" that then plugs into your desktop, then you can move into your laptop. 15:17:11 silly app, what's up with that? :) 15:17:15 heh 15:17:40 C::describes a gadget using a Transmeta Crusoe CPU in a "PDA box" that then plugs into your desktop, then you can move into your laptop. 15:17:43 commented item C 15:17:59 C::but I have to ask, what's the big deal? 15:18:00 commented item C 15:18:16 C::I can see the nicety of having, say, a FireWire drive with a nice PDA screen and input; but then you plug it in to your N-Way desktop or laptop and it becomes "just another CPU". 15:18:17 commented item C 15:18:35 C::even better, you're running either a VM (Java, CLR) or portable binaries (Amiga VP Code) so that you can use the low-powered Transmeta Crusoe alongside your high-powered Intel or PowerPC. 15:18:37 commented item C 15:25:24 second entry: http://flyingchihuahuas.editthispage.com/2002/06/27 15:25:37 @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/06/26.html 15:25:40 D: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/06/26.html from bitsko 15:25:49 "I'm impressed. I don't know if I've seen anything install this easy since the days of DOS." 15:26:43 Morbus: nice 15:27:03 D:|the services grid 15:27:06 titled item D 15:29:05 D::Jon refers to Graham Glass discussing grid computing as the future, detailing the use of SOAP toolkits and "The server publishes a named interface; the client asks to bind to it; Gaia makes the connection. If multiple instances are running, work is distributed among them. If an instance dies, failover is automatic." 15:29:07 commented item D 15:30:05 D::This is about as non-RESTful as one can get, if it's truly as described. 15:30:07 commented item D 15:30:35 redmonk (sid@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 15:30:52 morb: it won't split the files. 15:31:03 hello 15:32:02 D::So instead of having the grid computer simply be a distributed tuple space, with everything at a URL, and processing happening asynchronously, we're locked into APIs and either synchronous or over-layered-asynchronous distributed objects. 15:32:05 commented item D 15:32:48 D::With a little hope that the SOAPsters are "getting" REST, the worst won't come to pass, but we'll have to wait and see. 15:32:51 commented item D 15:33:22 whee, my patches were accepted: http://faifzilla.org/errors.html 15:33:36 anyone know of a place where I can get stock quotes in an RSS feed? 15:33:59 actually, any XML-based feed will do. 15:35:04 i just have plain text. xml is evil 15:35:30 if you insist... http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=xml&mode=stock&symbol=WBVN&symbol=AAPL 15:38:13 hey. you're the RDF guy. how can you say XMl is evil? 15:38:17 (thanks for the link!) 15:38:26 RDF has nothing to do with XML 15:38:32 XML is very, very evil 15:38:47 * GabeW introduces n3 to pixel 15:39:19 * redmonk yawns at YARVSA 15:39:57 (Yet Another REST Vs. SOAP Argument) 15:40:03 ah 15:40:03 hehe 15:40:10 i thought you were referring to n3 ;-) 15:40:19 heh 15:40:25 nah. n3 is cool. 15:40:40 aaronsw - you seen reportlab? 15:40:47 no 15:40:48 i just saw it - looks cool. 15:40:50 and google doesn't have yarvsa 15:41:01 python imaging library - for charts and stuff 15:41:11 http://www.reportlab.com/toolkit/index.html 15:41:22 perty kewl stuff 15:41:33 ooh 15:42:02 uesed here: http://cheerleader.yoz.com/warchalk.html 15:42:11 I jsut ran across that this morning frmo someone's weblog. 15:42:16 yeah. that was it. 15:42:17 to generate pdf's of warchalking symbols 15:42:17 hehe 15:42:48 the script is here: http://cheerleader.yoz.com/warchalk.py 15:45:05 my someone has too much time on their hands 15:45:48 very cool though 15:53:41 ok, so what makes XML evil? 15:57:57 it's painful to type for documents and HTML has so many more tools 16:06:35 bitsko: that guy who mentioned the DOS day thing works at microsoft apparently. 16:06:47 bitsko: or, at least, he has a microsoft email address on his site 16:06:52 which is pretty cool. 16:11:14 is the rdf model and syntax stuff baked, baking, falling apart, what? 16:11:53 aaron : so I'm guessting you don't like storing RDf in XML? 16:12:02 yeah 16:12:03 16:12:12 i think xml/rdf is rdf's biggest difficulty 16:13:50 yep 16:14:01 why is that? 16:14:19 it obscures relatively simple semantic structure .. 16:14:43 it takes thought to convert a circle and line diagram to and from a rdf/xml serialization 16:14:45 that's what XML is good at :) 16:17:13 obfuscating stuff? yeah 16:17:13 [[[ 16:17:13 I like the automatic updating feature of Mac OS X. The Mac machine I inherited was running a really old version of the OS. I've installed two levels of updates so far, and doing a third level right now. It's almost as easy as updating Radio or Frontier. 16:17:14 ]]] 16:17:17 heh, heh. 16:17:18 flipping winer. 16:18:44 he can't make up his mind. today he's touting the wonderful Mac. and yesterday it was a peice of shit. 16:42:01 otoh, rdf's second biggest difficulty is the ambiguity thrown in by most RDF techies 16:42:28 far worse than, say, vCard's modifiers 16:44:20 there's no human in rdf. 16:44:38 its turning into it's own programming language. 16:46:23 of course, that's my impression. 16:46:27 it's not so much the data model, as much how you can (and some try so hard to do) make statements about statements about statements 16:46:31 * Morbus backpedals, because he desires the love of bitsko 16:47:00 * bitsko leans in for the hug, and then backpedals himself 16:47:50 heh! 16:48:13 i mean, i get the purpose of rdf. 16:48:17 but i don't "get" the complexity. 16:48:32 and i've been over this a zillion times with sbp and aaron. 16:49:00 you don't get where it's complex, or just don't get how RDF can be so complex? 16:49:25 the "simple" part of RDF is actually very simple 16:50:37 "can be so", i think. 16:54:17 it's because there have been a lot of people expressing their opinions on various bits of the architecture 16:54:24 committee thinking 16:54:39 so RDF kinda has a mind of its own 16:54:56 but as bitsko says, at the base it's really simple 16:55:03 if one sticks to the node-view, and has a concrete schema, it's really simple. like core-RDF, for example 16:55:10 s/core-RDF/core-RSS/ 16:55:36 ie. as long as you're talking about one resource, and just its properties, that's easy 16:55:54 it maps right to mappings/hashes/objects, for example 16:56:06 there's a great tension between constraints on the model and application level constraints, such as you get in RSS 16:56:15 RDF is very simple 16:56:21 hehe 16:56:25 RDF is way simpler than XML 16:56:25 that's funny 16:56:44 that'sm like saying English is simple b/c it has verbs, nouns, and objects 16:56:45 RDF is not simple when you start making statements about statements 16:56:51 yeah compare the core bits of RDF (RDF infoset?) to the XML infoset 16:56:57 no, even with reification, it's simpler 16:57:02 nor when you have no concrete schema 16:57:08 reification is just a set of three properties, plus an implied type 16:57:11 simpler than? 16:57:17 of course, one can build complex applications on RDF... 16:57:18 see, you know, i'm already lost. 16:57:21 16:57:26 but that's something on top of RDF, not RDF itself 16:57:31 one can express the XML infoset in RDF 16:57:43 there's really no analogy of statements-about-statements in most existing frameworks 16:58:23 huh? 16:58:46 anything where you have a set of statements there's some type of reification or context at work 16:59:52 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:00:32 hehe: http://ioctl.org/rdf/usementionmyarse 17:00:49 Gotta run 17:02:16 if I have an RSS item, and it has a dc:date, and that dc:date might be the creation date or might be a posted date, then it really starts to bog down 17:02:40 why? 17:03:38 i'll be using dc:dates in the next version of ampheta. 17:04:14 AaronSw: because it starts becoming unmanagable 17:04:27 thats fud 17:04:30 i won't be making a diff between create/post in ampheta. 17:04:31 thx 17:04:35 :-) 17:04:36 i don't think there's a need to. 17:05:07 sorry, on phone 17:05:21 eikeon has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:07:01 on the one hand, existing languages do not have the native language facilities for accessing the data model, so one must use an RDF library, and in particular an RDF Query language, to easily get to concretely specified (schema'd) data 17:07:32 so one can generally throw out Py, Perl, or C# syntax for accessing properties 17:08:17 (let's say that's a given, and we'll shortly come up with a native-syntax for accessing deep RDF properties, based on an RDF Query lang) 17:08:44 then there's still the problem of "too-much-data" 17:09:29 that's the problem outside the boundaries of concretely specified app models 17:09:53 and becomes especially apparent as one builds soups of RDF data from a variety of sources 17:19:59 where's the RNG equiv for RDF? http://www.xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1700 17:20:44 maybe that's the wrong q. 17:22:22 a different q would be where's the simple-syntax for RDFS :) 17:25:05 pixel has quit ("Leaving, Swiging My Piece of Ass. http://www.perceive.net") 17:26:31 Morbus: but just for reference, the simple stuff is simple 17:26:46 and easily translated into Perl ;) 17:27:56 heh, heh. oh, i was supposed to be listening? 17:28:00 i got confused about 100 lines ago. 17:28:19 we should code an RDF::Simple module. 17:28:20 17:28:36 * bitsko mumbles Orchard, then shuts up 17:28:41 heh, he.h 17:28:41 :) 17:36:38 RDFS Compact Syntax -- that's what I meant earlier about RNG-equiv for RDFS 17:36:58 (there's no such beast, I think, but getting one would be nice) 17:49:23 lol 17:49:42 NewsForge's response to complaints about the quality of their articles: 17:49:47 >blah, blah, blah blather 17:49:47 So? 17:50:49 heh 17:53:35 heh, heh. 17:54:05 * bitsko wonders if AaronSw is off phone yet 17:55:51 nope 18:01:49 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 18:14:37 am now 18:14:43 what's up, bitsko? 18:15:48 I was hoping you'd explain how the more complex parts of RDF become easy. 18:16:00 What's complex about RDF? 18:16:04 I know a good query syntax can take one half the way 18:16:22 http://www.peerfear.org/rss/permalink/1025291190.shtml 18:16:50 brb. new trillian skin. 18:18:26 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 18:18:41 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 18:19:29 the complex part is statements about statements 18:20:12 Morbus has quit (Client Quit) 18:20:23 * bitsko sees Morbus bug out ;) 18:20:30 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 18:20:59 statements about statements are conceptually simple (morbus said DW is lying) 18:21:04 what's complex about them? 18:22:29 Morbus has quit (Client Quit) 18:22:37 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 18:31:33 sbp, want to write a regexp for me? 18:33:51 oierw (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 18:34:10 oierw has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:34:15 oierw (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 18:35:57 another busy day of moping 18:48:38 conceptually simple, but programattically difficult to resolve 18:49:19 unless made very concrete. iow, as long as everything is spelled out concretely, it's easy. 18:49:32 i don't know what you mean by conterely here 18:50:37 where the information provider spells out exactly which statements can be made about other statements 18:51:15 information provider? i like the model where the reader just ignores the statements they're not interested in 18:51:57 heh, that's a useful principle until all the statements you're interested in happen to be layered over everything else. 18:52:04 layered? 18:59:18 n'er mind. I'll continue to watch as practical applications come about. 18:59:37 heh 19:25:30 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:32:02 have a good weekend, y'all! 19:32:04 bitsko has left #swhack 19:49:46 * sbp returns 19:49:46 eikeon has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:49:48 was just watching Ash play at Glastonbury 19:49:48 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:49:50 good set; I thought they did more songs, but they only showed quarter of an hour's worth 19:49:54 I could have sworn they were out for half an hour (they were doing interviews when they were playing live) 19:50:08 Ash sings too? i don't want to know what that sounds like 19:50:20 EEEEEEEEYE LOVE TEH LUNIX! TEH LUNIX! 19:50:44 loll. 19:52:31 heh! 19:52:32 [[[ 19:52:32 Joseph Reagle wrote: 19:52:33 >blah, blah, blah blather 19:52:33 So? 19:52:33 Tina G. 19:52:34 ]]] 19:52:39 eikeon has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:53:07 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:53:29 as i said, dedicated to journalistic principles 20:05:10 newsforge...liesforge... 20:05:22 wow, the guy from the Thin Blue Line is on Eastenders now 20:28:44 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 20:41:37 * thelsdj is getting a mac 20:44:06 i'm having someone fix up an ol G3 for me 21:07:21 cool, what specs? 21:08:56 not that it matters. a Mac is a Mac :-) 21:30:54 its like a base G3 266 with processor upgrade to 300 (probably can overclock it to 350) 256 ram, ide, usb card, uh not much else heh, i'm getting it cheeeap 22:13:14 GabeW has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:00:03 duuude, you're getting a mac! 23:08:57 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 23:09:04 swhack 23:09:10 wmf 23:09:33 am i required to heckle steven levy? or is it only highly recommended? 23:09:44 I'm not heckling him 23:10:43 I think McCusker's going to kill you ;) 23:10:49 the poll is funny too: http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/index.html 23:11:00 I feel bad that I f'd his base station 23:12:20 anyway, hopefully he'll get it right tonight 23:12:50 [off] people in #infoAnarchy are advertising how losing they are 23:48:21 EOW 23:56:39 @ http://www.advogato.org/article/508.html 23:56:45 E: http://www.advogato.org/article/508.html from wmf 23:56:57 E::Fire when ready. 23:56:58 commented item E