00:01:23 looks like RR lost power 00:05:58 wmf: eventually they might even be right - if they keep saying it for the next 10 years ;) 00:12:55 yep 00:25:15 <[someone in #slashdot]> It seems like opn is slowly ripping itself apart 00:25:31 from wallops: Hi all. I think the next few days will be interesting. Expect to see something of a partition as various groups wander off. If you're more comfortable here, you should stay and things may chill out. If you're more comfortable with an alternative that presents itself, you should go there. 00:27:14 yep 00:27:41 wow, they've made a lilobot 00:29:29 lilobot? 00:30:20 yeah. as it said to you when you entered:- 00:30:21 Hello, AaronSw. How much will you be donating today? 00:30:42 aaronsw_ (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:30:44 argh 00:30:56 wb... ish 00:31:44 * quasi is willing to donate a swift kick to lilos backside ;) 00:31:56 lilobot crashed my computer 00:32:06 actually, just my irc client 00:32:08 heh heh: open source, open wallets! 00:37:00 looks like Wired News has discovered ESR's "good porn, bad porn" theory 00:37:55 i can't wait to hear the pun headline 00:41:09 heh 00:41:16 donationbot [~donationb@166.70.121.30] has joined #infoanarchy 00:42:11 * Ash-w cracks up 00:44:34 aaronsw_ has quit ("BitchX: better than a penis enlargement!") 00:45:22 * AaronSw reads the lilobot response page 00:45:37 where's that? 00:46:02 lilobot response page? 00:46:16 in the source 00:46:50 oh, right 00:47:40 lilorsp.watashiwa 00:47:48 hahaha 00:48:53 lol! http://liloaid.ecce.co.uk/ 00:49:07 -m on #openprojects 00:49:15 yeah: cf. #liloaid 00:49:29 not very busy now, but people flocked there when #lilo went +m 00:49:52 ROTFL @ liloaid 00:50:11 lol 00:50:14 also: http://bosleys.org/~cory/lilo.txt 00:50:18 heh: "PhAnT0m256's winning entry, a kite featuring a Perl script to decrypt DVD motion picture content, was shot down by the US Air Force on orders of the MPAA." 00:50:27 and: http://ikari.devaluate.com/lilo.jpg 00:50:33 so many lilo parodies... 00:50:59 heh, Ash is going to get banned in #openprojects 00:51:41 yes! "Theo de Raadt (of OpenBSD) and Darren Reed (of IPFilter fame) have agreed to settle their differences in a charity cage fight! " 00:52:14 differences? 00:52:32 everyone has differences with Theo de Raadt 00:53:11 whoo! RMS charity concert! 00:53:16 i wonder where they got that photo 00:53:37 wow! http://cgi.ebay.com@195.92.253.3/~ben/lilo/ebay.html 00:53:53 "Bill Gates has vigorously denied all rumours that he is interested in cloning the Torvalds daughters to build an invincible army of OS developers, whilst IBM have pledged to try to buy the daughters and adopt them back to the free software community under a recognised open source license." 00:57:45 is there a .rl TLD? 00:59:04 then you could use http://u.rl/ as a shortening service 00:59:14 wmf: nope 00:59:35 heh 00:59:39 * Ash-w starts a .rl tld 00:59:57 * sbp starts a .ri one 01:00:14 who decided tonight is partition night? 01:00:21 no idea 01:00:27 no one's even sure what it means :-) 01:00:28 I think I came in in the middle of this 01:00:37 I don't think they're talking about drive partitions, put it that way... 01:16:36 Hm, I miss the old OPN. 01:17:07 well, these tensions aren't new 01:17:21 they've just exploded now because of the recent global notices 01:17:41 nothing is really changing in the channels that matter to us 01:17:41 I don't understand why the people who don't like the notices don't just turn them off. 01:17:52 well, then you might miss some important notices 01:17:57 like what? 01:17:58 the problem was that there was no distinction 01:18:13 well, global notices are global for a reason, I would suppose 01:18:27 So you're saying there's a lack of metadata? 01:18:40 Why doesn't someone just run a importantNotice bot you can subscribe to? 01:18:48 so I guess the lesson here is that starting an IRC network is not a good way to MAKE MONEY FAST 01:19:08 well, lilo himself suggested that he's put his requests for money out under a different nickname 01:19:22 and there would have been less of a problem, IMO, if that had been the case from the start 01:20:40 well, as you say, it doesn't really affect me so much. it's lilo's thing to throw away 01:21:28 yep 01:22:04 as long as there are enough servers to cope with the OPN traffic, and people to maintain those servers... 01:22:13 because I think it'd be very difficult for us to relocate 01:22:17 OPN is a good server 01:22:22 why would it be difficult? 01:22:43 well, I think that the channels we're on would all go to different places 01:22:48 which would be a strain on IRC clients 01:22:55 and some of them would probably just vanish 01:23:01 yeah, if that happened i'd have to write my own irc server that combined them 01:23:08 at the moment, I'm on like 15 OPN channels 01:23:22 what are they? 01:23:50 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.26.131) has joined #swhack 01:23:53 heh 01:31:58 AaronSw: how would you like to earn some good money? 01:32:16 doing what? 01:32:48 I am starting a non-profit corp doing website programming for the mentally ill 01:33:37 sbp is on channels: #Debian #slashdot #OpenProjects #swhack #semplesh #sbp #rdfig 01:33:39 people who needs to take depression medication and so on go to my website to learn about efffects of meds, read bulletin from others ' effects, and chat 01:34:21 :-) 01:34:24 then when enough people go there daily, I just ask Pfizer and Lilly if they want to advertise their meds on my site for fees 01:34:27 you missed some! 01:34:37 yeah... 01:34:40 want to help? 01:35:09 searching channels is slow 01:35:09 All you have to do is allow me to copycat your chicagoforce website and explain some aspects of it to me 01:35:43 it just uses the acs 01:36:05 and if you decide to accept my offer for you to be on board of directors, you'll get your pay once we attract advertisers to the site 01:36:28 and would sbp like to be on the board of directors too? 01:38:34 I'd rather test out +q :-) 01:40:07 oh, also #dotgnu 01:40:11 wow, there's a #thinksecret 01:41:27 wait does lilo = linus? 01:41:27 yes, he invented linux 01:41:39 oh, and #validator 01:43:23 and #disobey 01:45:07 hm, i'm feeling all nostalgic 01:45:11 bIPOlar (~bipolar@adsl-64-108-132-228.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 01:45:15 i better quit before it gets worse 01:45:17 ttyl 01:46:19 bIPOlar has left #swhack 01:48:23 c'ya Aaron 01:48:36 golbeck has left #swhack 01:48:42 heh, he was finding me all over the place 02:03:12 heh 02:03:18 lol 02:03:36 for the record: grrr.... *AaronSw* don't forget to mention irc.openprojects.net - it's very good 02:03:36 silly opnies 02:05:05 he got walloped. whoo! 02:12:47 * AaronSw invokes the wrath of lilo 02:12:47 oh well. cable modem is gone 02:15:39 Ash_ (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 02:19:38 hm, guess the cable modem is back 02:20:48 huh? *** sbp`` (sbp@80.1.191.88) has joined the channel 02:20:54 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:21:00 oh, is that your normal ip? 02:21:53 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 02:37:26 heh, what a headline: Life, The Universe, and Douglas Adams is COMPLETE!!!! 02:37:56 guess we can all die now 02:42:26 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Life, The Universe, and Douglas Adams is COMPLETE!!!! 02:42:31 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Life, The Universe, and Douglas Adams is COMPLETE!!!! Feel free to die. 02:45:44 .time 02:49:39 datum? 02:51:07 [05:50] 02:51:27 3:50 UTC, I believe 02:51:59 yeah, that fits my 5:50 am ;) 02:52:03 datum? 02:52:05 .time 02:52:05 Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:53:08 GMT 02:52:08 odd 02:52:21 .time +1 02:52:21 Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:53:23 +1 02:52:26 Hmm... 02:57:49 .time BST 02:57:49 Sorry, I don't know about time zone BST. 02:57:55 what's up with that? 02:58:04 btw, hope you don't mind datum 02:58:04 as long as .google is rescinded from the xena channels when the goddess resurfaces 02:58:17 heh 02:58:21 .time MET 02:58:21 Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:59:23 MET 02:58:27 i thought i added BST back in 02:58:33 i guess i need to reboot 02:58:48 datum has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:58:50 reboot for BST! 02:58:55 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 02:58:59 .time bst 02:59:02 Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:00:02 BST 02:59:13 cheers 02:59:20 .time CEST 02:59:20 Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:00:23 CEST 02:59:28 CEST la vie 03:00:01 and not too far off from my local time 03:00:57 Gotta run 03:11:37 * AaronSw tries to correct the time but only throws it off more 03:16:06 wmf has quit ("BitchX: try our lowfat flavor too!") 03:35:33 ooh, GPGMail. i wonder if i should sign all my messages now 03:47:16 wow, there are cypherpunk meetings in austin, seattle and boston 03:48:36 heh: "the Public is invitedand encouraged to attend, including John Ashcroft's new choral group, smallgroups of FBI agents or even the RIAA's lawyers." 05:01:29 the unemployed programmer had a problem. "I know", said the programmer, 05:01:29 "I'll just learn perl." the unemployed programmer now had two problems. 05:01:34 - http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt 05:04:30 @ http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt 05:04:59 A: http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt from AaronSw 05:05:20 A:|This Is Your Brain On Perl 05:05:21 titled item A 05:05:32 A:from Erik Naggum 05:10:50 bip0lar__ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 05:16:31 Oh! 05:16:33 I love Erik. 05:16:35 He is the best. 05:17:12 This is a great perl rant. 05:25:20 it is 05:25:53 I bet jeffk is a perl programmer. 05:26:04 * AaronSw -> sleep 06:01:51 tansaku_xz (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 08:36:12 tansaku_xz has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:40:43 Seth has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:26:16 kensaku (sam@210.128.190.140) has joined #swhack 09:34:38 datum has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 eikeon has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 Ash_ has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 BenSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:34:38 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:36:28 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 Ash_ (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:36:28 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 10:00:49 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to need to do a quick rehubbing of a main rotation server. Lots of noise; please bear with us. 10:02:24 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 Ash_ has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 eikeon has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 BenSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:24 datum has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:03:00 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 Ash_ (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:03:00 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 10:03:19 * sbp waves 10:07:27 I should voice Ash 10:07:29 ASHBOT 10:36:08 kensaku has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 10:36:08 eikeon has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:53:41 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:02:59 wow! 11:03:02 @ http://www.rendell.uk.co/gol/turing_js_r.gif 11:03:07 B: http://www.rendell.uk.co/gol/turing_js_r.gif from sbp 11:03:27 B:|Code for "a Turing Machine implemented in Conway's Game Life" 11:03:37 titled item B 11:03:39 B::also: [http://www.rendell.uk.co/gol/tm.htm|the homepage] 11:03:40 commented item B 11:03:47 B::by Paul Rendell 11:03:48 commented item B 11:08:24 Gotta run 11:25:00 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]") 11:51:42 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 11:58:23 bip0lar_ (~bipolar@adsl-64-108-132-228.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 11:58:58 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:01:00 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:03:36 bip0lar_ has left #swhack 12:04:44 bIpolar (~bipolar@adsl-64-108-132-228.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 12:04:57 bIpolar has left #swhack 12:09:34 bip0lar_ (~bipolar@adsl-64-108-132-228.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 12:10:49 bip0lar__ (~bipolar@adsl-64-108-132-228.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 12:11:15 bip0lar__ has quit (Client Quit) 12:16:00 bip0lar__ (~bipolar@adsl-64-108-132-228.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 12:16:06 bip0lar__ has left #swhack 12:32:00 uhhhh. 12:32:07 Aaron. Have you tested your blog under Mozilla? 12:32:28 all of your rightcolumn grey div's are page wide. 12:55:11 Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 13:25:51 if i go ... where does the server get the actual file ? 13:26:27 normally, there's a "browse" button. 13:26:37 and the user clicks that, the OS pops up a box, and the browser uploads from that location. 13:27:06 yeah i know .. but on the server end, where is the contents of the file ? 13:27:23 whereever the script puts it. 13:27:33 the script has to specifically support file uploads. 13:27:35 its not magical. 13:27:42 that is if the user actually clicks on browse, selects the file, and then clicks upload 13:27:57 well, even if the user did that, the script would still have to know what to do with itl 13:28:41 what script .. i aint got no script .. only a home grown server and a browser .. in the server code, where is the file contents stored ? 13:30:06 heh, its not. 13:30:09 straight out. 13:30:18 if you aint got a script, your form won't work. 13:30:28 if you got a script but it doesn't support file uploads, your upload won't work. 13:30:37 if you got a script and it supports file uploads, only the script knows where it goes. 13:30:42 forms have nothing to do with the server. 13:31:31 ok .. let me ask this differently ... the script is presented with a file path and now how does it upload from the client's hard disk ? 13:31:55 the script doesn't. 13:31:58 the browser uploads to the script. 13:32:37 fine .. so the browser uploads the script .. where in the script does the data reside ? 13:33:05 i means uploads to the script 13:33:05 it doesnt' reside in the script. it resides in the http headers that are sent to the script with a POST. 13:33:14 which are easily used with the CGI.pm module, if this is perl. 13:33:34 ok, now were getting somewhere .... what header contains the data from the file? 13:33:55 hold on. i don't remember. 13:35:12 and would you know how i retrieve that data using the standard python library ? 13:35:24 nope, i know no python. 13:35:30 but there's gotta be a standard cgi library for python. 13:35:32 that'd be odd. 13:35:40 ask AaronSw or sbp on that one. 13:35:42 lameasscgilib.download 13:36:21 you may want to look at http://www.arq.net/~chogg/httpupload.htm 13:36:43 and http://starship.python.net/crew/jbauer/cgiupload/ 13:37:17 actually im not using cgi .. just my own server .. but thanks, i think i can get it form here 13:40:12 uh, well, if you're doing something with forms, you're using cgi. 13:40:24 nope i aint 13:40:27 cgi isn't "internet" based - its an interface. 13:40:31 so, you're not using forms. 13:40:37 an is part of a form. 13:41:11 i wrote my own server that dont shell out to a cgi script .. its all just done in the server 13:42:28 ash, there aint no cgilib.download, lameass 13:50:40 ah 13:57:15 deltab (~deltab@usr503-bh2.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack 13:58:49 * Seth waves to deltab .. got a moment to help me with file uploads ? 13:59:06 wb deltab 14:04:42 deltab, im trying to put a button an a page that will upload from the client's local drive into sailorServer ... 14:04:54 how do i get the data from the file? 14:04:59 if i go ... where does the server get the actual file ? 14:05:29 * Morbus chuckles. 14:05:30 it's sent in the request body 14:05:32 here we go again. 14:05:38 :) 14:05:46 Morbus: hmm? 14:05:57 ne'ermind. 14:07:19 Seth: in the form, use enctype="multipart/form-data" 14:07:56 latest version of server is at http://robustai.net/sailor/sailorServer.py 14:08:25 yeah i got that ... now im in the server trying to get the data 14:11:05 html file is at http://robustai.net/sailor/introApi.html 14:11:36 the cgi module has code to parse the form data 14:12:12 it's not cgi. 14:12:13 14:12:14 when you say form data .. do you mean the ?nave=valeu&name=value 14:12:35 morbus, he knows that .. he wrote the server initially 14:12:47 loefgren (1000@h239n2fls33o954.telia.com) has joined #swhack 14:12:49 ah. 14:13:16 heh 14:13:22 lol... after all that ssh mess, it turns out it wasn't vulnerable 14:13:27 * sbp wonders about a befunge interpreter in Conway 14:13:55 Seth: not in this case - files can't be sent in the URL 14:13:56 im looking at cgilb.py ...but dont know what to do 14:14:23 morbus said it was in a header somewhere .. how do i get the data out ? 14:15:15 what's in a header? 14:15:40 the data from the file when the client clicks upload 14:16:01 no, that goes in the body of the request 14:16:39 remember that files could be many megabytes long 14:16:50 oh .. well how do i get that data in the server? 14:18:35 it looks like you create a cgi.FieldStorage using the input from the connection 14:19:30 havent got the faintest idea how to do that 14:20:20 maybe you guys can take this to #http... 14:20:41 yessss! 14:20:43 that's right. 14:20:43 aaron, what's wrong with right here? 14:20:47 AaronSw's doling out the channels. 14:21:09 because two people are only interested in it, and neither are AaronSw, so thus, get the frel out. 14:21:25 http://python.org/doc/lib/node295.html has some example code, though because your program isn't called through CGI it'll have to supply some things instead of relying on the defaults 14:22:03 thanks, deltab 14:22:26 on the other hand, you could take it to #disobey. 14:22:29 where nothing is off-topic. 14:22:35 aaron ... i though this was a general semantic web hacking forum ... if it aint, then ill go away :( 14:22:49 yes, but you're not talking about semanticism. 14:22:59 you're tlaking about implemnting a base feature in an attempt at semenaticism. 14:23:01 morbus, yes i am. 14:23:02 actually, it's not a semantic web hacking forum 14:23:05 it's a fine line that only Aaron knows about. 14:23:24 swhack is the sound that's going to be made when i hit Morbus in a few seconds. 14:23:27 heh, heh. 14:23:47 * Morbus fists AaronSw on the chin. 14:23:50 that's me boy! 14:23:55 well fine, then fuck #swhack ! 14:24:07 Seth: most #swhack refugees have moved to #disobey. 14:24:08 14:24:13 heh 14:24:29 hey, who cares, it's partition night 14:27:11 aaron, actually i am looking for a forum where i can discuss sailor and sailorServers and get hacking help with them ... i obviously could make a #sailor forum, but i think fragmenting is to scatter to the wind ... obvisulsy you are acting like this is hyour own private form .. well too bad, i just lost interest in it. 14:27:25 cool 14:27:29 Seth has left #swhack 14:27:41 hm, maybe that was the wrong response 14:27:48 heh, heh. 14:27:52 i have to agree, AaronSw. 14:27:56 but you already know that. 14:28:10 I wanted to be positive... 14:28:11 its your place, but yer getting draconian. 14:28:34 * AaronSw handcuffs Morbus and drags him to the torture chamber 14:28:40 woot! 14:31:25 so, now what? 14:31:43 i guess he starts whipping me. 14:31:54 * Morbus looks innocently at Aar... his mastah. 14:32:02 now we wait for someone to finish implementing the torture chamber 14:32:08 RSN... in my copious free time 14:33:35 * AaronSw lets morbus go free 14:33:50 well, that was uneventful. 14:34:17 except for Seth leaving 14:34:32 yeah, he's in #disobey now. 14:34:47 heh. he's dissing me in #dis 14:34:54 obey 14:35:15 * deltab sighs 14:35:42