IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-27

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00:01:23 [wmf]
looks like RR lost power
00:05:58 [quasi]
wmf: eventually they might even be right - if they keep saying it for the next 10 years ;)
00:12:55 [wmf]
yep
00:25:15 [sbp]
<[someone in #slashdot]> It seems like opn is slowly ripping itself apart
00:25:31 [sbp]
from wallops: <lilo> Hi all. I think the next few days will be interesting. Expect to see something of a partition as various groups wander off. If you're more comfortable here, you should stay and things may chill out. If you're more comfortable with an alternative that presents itself, you should go there.
00:27:14 [wmf]
yep
00:27:41 [sbp]
wow, they've made a lilobot
00:29:29 [AaronSw]
lilobot?
00:30:20 [sbp]
yeah. as it said to you when you entered:-
00:30:21 [sbp]
<lilobot_> Hello, AaronSw. How much will you be donating today?
00:30:42 [aaronsw_]
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00:30:44 [aaronsw_]
argh
00:30:56 [sbp]
wb... ish
00:31:44 [quasi]
* quasi is willing to donate a swift kick to lilos backside ;)
00:31:56 [AaronSw]
lilobot crashed my computer
00:32:06 [AaronSw]
actually, just my irc client
00:32:08 [AaronSw]
heh heh: <lilobot_> open source, open wallets!
00:37:00 [wmf]
looks like Wired News has discovered ESR's "good porn, bad porn" theory
00:37:55 [AaronSw]
i can't wait to hear the pun headline
00:41:09 [wmf]
heh
00:41:16 [wmf]
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00:42:11 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w cracks up
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00:45:22 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reads the lilobot response page
00:45:37 [sbp]
where's that?
00:46:02 [Ash-w]
lilobot response page?
00:46:16 [AaronSw]
in the source
00:46:50 [sbp]
oh, right
00:47:40 [sbp]
lilorsp.watashiwa
00:47:48 [Ash-w]
hahaha
00:48:53 [AaronSw]
lol! http://liloaid.ecce.co.uk/
00:49:07 [sbp]
-m on #openprojects
00:49:15 [sbp]
yeah: cf. #liloaid
00:49:29 [sbp]
not very busy now, but people flocked there when #lilo went +m
00:49:52 [Ash-w]
ROTFL @ liloaid
00:50:11 [wmf]
lol
00:50:14 [sbp]
also: http://bosleys.org/~cory/lilo.txt
00:50:18 [AaronSw]
heh: "PhAnT0m256's winning entry, a kite featuring a Perl script to decrypt DVD motion picture content, was shot down by the US Air Force on orders of the MPAA."
00:50:27 [sbp]
and: http://ikari.devaluate.com/lilo.jpg
00:50:33 [sbp]
so many lilo parodies...
00:50:59 [sbp]
heh, Ash is going to get banned in #openprojects
00:51:41 [wmf]
yes! "Theo de Raadt (of OpenBSD) and Darren Reed (of IPFilter fame) have agreed to settle their differences in a charity cage fight! "
00:52:14 [AaronSw]
differences?
00:52:32 [wmf]
everyone has differences with Theo de Raadt
00:53:11 [AaronSw]
whoo! RMS charity concert!
00:53:16 [AaronSw]
i wonder where they got that photo
00:53:37 [AaronSw]
wow! http://cgi.ebay.com@195.92.253.3/~ben/lilo/ebay.html
00:53:53 [AaronSw]
"Bill Gates has vigorously denied all rumours that he is interested in cloning the Torvalds daughters to build an invincible army of OS developers, whilst IBM have pledged to try to buy the daughters and adopt them back to the free software community under a recognised open source license."
00:57:45 [wmf]
is there a .rl TLD?
00:59:04 [wmf]
then you could use http://u.rl/ as a shortening service
00:59:14 [quasi]
wmf: nope
00:59:35 [Ash-w]
heh
00:59:39 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w starts a .rl tld
00:59:57 [sbp]
* sbp starts a .ri one
01:00:14 [wmf]
who decided tonight is partition night?
01:00:21 [sbp]
no idea
01:00:27 [sbp]
no one's even sure what it means :-)
01:00:28 [wmf]
I think I came in in the middle of this
01:00:37 [sbp]
I don't think they're talking about drive partitions, put it that way...
01:16:36 [AaronSw]
Hm, I miss the old OPN.
01:17:07 [sbp]
well, these tensions aren't new
01:17:21 [sbp]
they've just exploded now because of the recent global notices
01:17:41 [sbp]
nothing is really changing in the channels that matter to us
01:17:41 [AaronSw]
I don't understand why the people who don't like the notices don't just turn them off.
01:17:52 [sbp]
well, then you might miss some important notices
01:17:57 [AaronSw]
like what?
01:17:58 [sbp]
the problem was that there was no distinction
01:18:13 [sbp]
well, global notices are global for a reason, I would suppose
01:18:27 [AaronSw]
So you're saying there's a lack of metadata?
01:18:40 [AaronSw]
Why doesn't someone just run a importantNotice bot you can subscribe to?
01:18:48 [wmf]
so I guess the lesson here is that starting an IRC network is not a good way to MAKE MONEY FAST
01:19:08 [sbp]
well, lilo himself suggested that he's put his requests for money out under a different nickname
01:19:22 [sbp]
and there would have been less of a problem, IMO, if that had been the case from the start
01:20:40 [AaronSw]
well, as you say, it doesn't really affect me so much. it's lilo's thing to throw away
01:21:28 [sbp]
yep
01:22:04 [sbp]
as long as there are enough servers to cope with the OPN traffic, and people to maintain those servers...
01:22:13 [sbp]
because I think it'd be very difficult for us to relocate
01:22:17 [sbp]
OPN is a good server
01:22:22 [AaronSw]
why would it be difficult?
01:22:43 [sbp]
well, I think that the channels we're on would all go to different places
01:22:48 [sbp]
which would be a strain on IRC clients
01:22:55 [sbp]
and some of them would probably just vanish
01:23:01 [AaronSw]
yeah, if that happened i'd have to write my own irc server that combined them
01:23:08 [sbp]
at the moment, I'm on like 15 OPN channels
01:23:22 [AaronSw]
what are they?
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01:23:53 [sbp]
heh
01:31:58 [bip0lar__]
AaronSw: how would you like to earn some good money?
01:32:16 [AaronSw]
doing what?
01:32:48 [bip0lar__]
I am starting a non-profit corp doing website programming for the mentally ill
01:33:37 [AaronSw]
sbp is on channels: #Debian #slashdot #OpenProjects #swhack #semplesh #sbp #rdfig
01:33:39 [bip0lar__]
people who needs to take depression medication and so on go to my website to learn about efffects of meds, read bulletin from others ' effects, and chat
01:34:21 [sbp]
:-)
01:34:24 [bip0lar__]
then when enough people go there daily, I just ask Pfizer and Lilly if they want to advertise their meds on my site for fees
01:34:27 [sbp]
you missed some!
01:34:37 [AaronSw]
yeah...
01:34:40 [AaronSw]
want to help?
01:35:09 [AaronSw]
searching channels is slow
01:35:09 [bip0lar__]
All you have to do is allow me to copycat your chicagoforce website and explain some aspects of it to me
01:35:43 [AaronSw]
it just uses the acs
01:36:05 [bip0lar__]
and if you decide to accept my offer for you to be on board of directors, you'll get your pay once we attract advertisers to the site
01:36:28 [bip0lar__]
and would sbp like to be on the board of directors too?
01:38:34 [sbp]
I'd rather test out +q :-)
01:40:07 [AaronSw]
oh, also #dotgnu
01:40:11 [AaronSw]
wow, there's a #thinksecret
01:41:27 [AaronSw]
<nym> wait does lilo = linus?
01:41:27 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> yes, he invented linux
01:41:39 [AaronSw]
oh, and #validator
01:43:23 [AaronSw]
and #disobey
01:45:07 [AaronSw]
hm, i'm feeling all nostalgic
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01:45:15 [AaronSw]
i better quit before it gets worse
01:45:17 [AaronSw]
ttyl
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01:48:23 [sbp]
c'ya Aaron
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01:48:42 [sbp]
heh, he was finding me all over the place
02:03:12 [wmf]
heh
02:03:18 [AaronSw]
lol
02:03:36 [AaronSw]
for the record: <lilo> grrr.... *AaronSw* don't forget to mention irc.openprojects.net - it's very good
02:03:36 [AaronSw]
<lilo> silly opnies
02:05:05 [sbp]
he got walloped. whoo!
02:12:47 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw invokes the wrath of lilo
02:12:47 [AaronSw]
oh well. cable modem is gone
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02:19:38 [AaronSw]
hm, guess the cable modem is back
02:20:48 [AaronSw]
huh? *** sbp`` (sbp@80.1.191.88) has joined the channel
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02:21:00 [AaronSw]
oh, is that your normal ip?
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02:37:26 [AaronSw]
heh, what a headline: Life, The Universe, and Douglas Adams is COMPLETE!!!!
02:37:56 [AaronSw]
guess we can all die now
02:42:26 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Life, The Universe, and Douglas Adams is COMPLETE!!!!
02:42:31 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Life, The Universe, and Douglas Adams is COMPLETE!!!! Feel free to die.
02:45:44 [AaronSw]
.time
02:49:39 [sbp]
datum?
02:51:07 [quasi]
[05:50]
02:51:27 [sbp]
3:50 UTC, I believe
02:51:59 [quasi]
yeah, that fits my 5:50 am ;)
02:52:03 [AaronSw]
datum?
02:52:05 [AaronSw]
.time
02:52:05 [datum]
Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:53:08 GMT
02:52:08 [AaronSw]
odd
02:52:21 [sbp]
.time +1
02:52:21 [datum]
Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:53:23 +1
02:52:26 [sbp]
Hmm...
02:57:49 [sbp]
.time BST
02:57:49 [datum]
Sorry, I don't know about time zone BST.
02:57:55 [sbp]
what's up with that?
02:58:04 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> btw, hope you don't mind datum
02:58:04 [AaronSw]
<tav> as long as .google is rescinded from the xena channels when the goddess resurfaces
02:58:17 [sbp]
heh
02:58:21 [quasi]
.time MET
02:58:21 [datum]
Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:59:23 MET
02:58:27 [AaronSw]
i thought i added BST back in
02:58:33 [AaronSw]
i guess i need to reboot
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02:58:50 [wmf]
reboot for BST!
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02:58:59 [AaronSw]
.time bst
02:59:02 [datum]
Thu, 27 Jun 2002 05:00:02 BST
02:59:13 [sbp]
cheers
02:59:20 [quasi]
.time CEST
02:59:20 [datum]
Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:00:23 CEST
02:59:28 [sbp]
CEST la vie
03:00:01 [quasi]
and not too far off from my local time
03:00:57 [sbp]
Gotta run
03:11:37 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to correct the time but only throws it off more
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03:35:33 [AaronSw]
ooh, GPGMail. i wonder if i should sign all my messages now
03:47:16 [AaronSw]
wow, there are cypherpunk meetings in austin, seattle and boston
03:48:36 [AaronSw]
heh: "the Public is invitedand encouraged to attend, including John Ashcroft's new choral group, smallgroups of FBI agents or even the RIAA's lawyers."
05:01:29 [AaronSw]
the unemployed programmer had a problem. "I know", said the programmer,
05:01:29 [AaronSw]
"I'll just learn perl." the unemployed programmer now had two problems.
05:01:34 [AaronSw]
- http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt
05:04:30 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt
05:04:59 [chumpy]
A: http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt from AaronSw
05:05:20 [AaronSw]
A:|This Is Your Brain On Perl
05:05:21 [chumpy]
titled item A
05:05:32 [AaronSw]
A:from Erik Naggum
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05:16:31 [Ash_]
Oh!
05:16:33 [Ash_]
I love Erik.
05:16:35 [Ash_]
He is the best.
05:17:12 [Ash_]
This is a great perl rant.
05:25:20 [AaronSw]
it is
05:25:53 [AaronSw]
I bet jeffk is a perl programmer.
05:26:04 [AaronSw]
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10:00:49 [lilo`]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to need to do a quick rehubbing of a main rotation server. Lots of noise; please bear with us.
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* sbp waves
10:07:27 [sbp]
I should voice Ash
10:07:29 [sbp]
ASHBOT
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11:02:59 [sbp]
wow!
11:03:02 [sbp]
@ http://www.rendell.uk.co/gol/turing_js_r.gif
11:03:07 [chumpy]
B: http://www.rendell.uk.co/gol/turing_js_r.gif from sbp
11:03:27 [sbp]
B:|Code for "a Turing Machine implemented in Conway's Game Life"
11:03:37 [chumpy]
titled item B
11:03:39 [sbp]
B::also: [http://www.rendell.uk.co/gol/tm.htm|the homepage]
11:03:40 [chumpy]
commented item B
11:03:47 [sbp]
B::by Paul Rendell
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commented item B
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Gotta run
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12:32:00 [Morbus]
uhhhh.
12:32:07 [Morbus]
Aaron. Have you tested your blog under Mozilla?
12:32:28 [Morbus]
all of your rightcolumn grey div's are page wide.
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13:25:51 [Seth]
if i go <input type="file" name="uploaded_file" size="50"><input type="submit" value="upload"> ... where does the server get the actual file ?
13:26:27 [Morbus]
normally, there's a "browse" button.
13:26:37 [Morbus]
and the user clicks that, the OS pops up a box, and the browser uploads from that location.
13:27:06 [Seth]
yeah i know .. but on the server end, where is the contents of the file ?
13:27:23 [Morbus]
whereever the script puts it.
13:27:33 [Morbus]
the script has to specifically support file uploads.
13:27:35 [Morbus]
its not magical.
13:27:42 [Seth]
that is if the user actually clicks on browse, selects the file, and then clicks upload
13:27:57 [Morbus]
well, even if the user did that, the script would still have to know what to do with itl
13:28:41 [Seth]
what script .. i aint got no script .. only a home grown server and a browser .. in the server code, where is the file contents stored ?
13:30:06 [Morbus]
heh, its not.
13:30:09 [Morbus]
straight out.
13:30:18 [Morbus]
if you aint got a script, your form won't work.
13:30:28 [Morbus]
if you got a script but it doesn't support file uploads, your upload won't work.
13:30:37 [Morbus]
if you got a script and it supports file uploads, only the script knows where it goes.
13:30:42 [Morbus]
forms have nothing to do with the server.
13:31:31 [Seth]
ok .. let me ask this differently ... the script is presented with a file path and now how does it upload from the client's hard disk ?
13:31:55 [Morbus]
the script doesn't.
13:31:58 [Morbus]
the browser uploads to the script.
13:32:37 [Seth]
fine .. so the browser uploads the script .. where in the script does the data reside ?
13:33:05 [Seth]
i means uploads to the script
13:33:05 [Morbus]
it doesnt' reside in the script. it resides in the http headers that are sent to the script with a POST.
13:33:14 [Morbus]
which are easily used with the CGI.pm module, if this is perl.
13:33:34 [Seth]
ok, now were getting somewhere .... what header contains the data from the file?
13:33:55 [Morbus]
hold on. i don't remember.
13:35:12 [Seth]
and would you know how i retrieve that data using the standard python library ?
13:35:24 [Morbus]
nope, i know no python.
13:35:30 [Morbus]
but there's gotta be a standard cgi library for python.
13:35:32 [Morbus]
that'd be odd.
13:35:40 [Morbus]
ask AaronSw or sbp on that one.
13:35:42 [Ash_]
lameasscgilib.download
13:36:21 [Morbus]
you may want to look at http://www.arq.net/~chogg/httpupload.htm
13:36:43 [Morbus]
and http://starship.python.net/crew/jbauer/cgiupload/
13:37:17 [Seth]
actually im not using cgi .. just my own server .. but thanks, i think i can get it form here
13:40:12 [Morbus]
uh, well, if you're doing something with forms, you're using cgi.
13:40:24 [Seth]
nope i aint
13:40:27 [Morbus]
cgi isn't "internet" based - its an interface.
13:40:31 [Morbus]
so, you're not using forms.
13:40:37 [Morbus]
an <input> is part of a form.
13:41:11 [Seth]
i wrote my own server that dont shell out to a cgi script .. its all just done in the server
13:42:28 [Seth]
ash, there aint no cgilib.download, lameass
13:50:40 [Morbus]
ah
13:57:15 [deltab]
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13:58:49 [Seth]
* Seth waves to deltab .. got a moment to help me with file uploads ?
13:59:06 [AaronSw]
wb deltab
14:04:42 [Seth]
deltab, im trying to put a button an a page that will upload from the client's local drive into sailorServer ...
14:04:54 [Seth]
how do i get the data from the file?
14:04:59 [Seth]
if i go <input type="file" name="uploaded_file" size="50"><input type="submit" value="upload"> ... where does the server get the actual file ?
14:05:29 [Morbus]
* Morbus chuckles.
14:05:30 [deltab]
it's sent in the request body
14:05:32 [Morbus]
here we go again.
14:05:38 [Morbus]
:)
14:05:46 [deltab]
Morbus: hmm?
14:05:57 [Morbus]
ne'ermind.
14:07:19 [deltab]
Seth: in the form, use enctype="multipart/form-data"
14:07:56 [Seth]
latest version of server is at http://robustai.net/sailor/sailorServer.py
14:08:25 [Seth]
yeah i got that ... now im in the server trying to get the data
14:11:05 [Seth]
html file is at http://robustai.net/sailor/introApi.html
14:11:36 [deltab]
the cgi module has code to parse the form data
14:12:12 [Morbus]
it's not cgi.
14:12:13 [Morbus]
<g>
14:12:14 [Seth]
when you say form data .. do you mean the ?nave=valeu&name=value
14:12:35 [Seth]
morbus, he knows that .. he wrote the server initially
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14:12:49 [Morbus]
ah.
14:13:16 [deltab]
heh
14:13:22 [AaronSw]
lol... after all that ssh mess, it turns out it wasn't vulnerable
14:13:27 [sbp]
* sbp wonders about a befunge interpreter in Conway
14:13:55 [deltab]
Seth: not in this case - files can't be sent in the URL
14:13:56 [Seth]
im looking at cgilb.py ...but dont know what to do
14:14:23 [Seth]
morbus said it was in a header somewhere .. how do i get the data out ?
14:15:15 [deltab]
what's in a header?
14:15:40 [Seth]
the data from the file when the client clicks upload
14:16:01 [deltab]
no, that goes in the body of the request
14:16:39 [deltab]
remember that files could be many megabytes long
14:16:50 [Seth]
oh .. well how do i get that data in the server?
14:18:35 [deltab]
it looks like you create a cgi.FieldStorage using the input from the connection
14:19:30 [Seth]
havent got the faintest idea how to do that
14:20:20 [AaronSw]
maybe you guys can take this to #http...
14:20:41 [Morbus]
yessss!
14:20:43 [Morbus]
that's right.
14:20:43 [Seth]
aaron, what's wrong with right here?
14:20:47 [Morbus]
AaronSw's doling out the channels.
14:21:09 [Morbus]
because two people are only interested in it, and neither are AaronSw, so thus, get the frel out.
14:21:25 [deltab]
http://python.org/doc/lib/node295.html has some example code, though because your program isn't called through CGI it'll have to supply some things instead of relying on the defaults
14:22:03 [Seth]
thanks, deltab
14:22:26 [Morbus]
on the other hand, you could take it to #disobey.
14:22:29 [Morbus]
where nothing is off-topic.
14:22:35 [Seth]
aaron ... i though this was a general semantic web hacking forum ... if it aint, then ill go away :(
14:22:49 [Morbus]
yes, but you're not talking about semanticism.
14:22:59 [Morbus]
you're tlaking about implemnting a base feature in an attempt at semenaticism.
14:23:01 [Seth]
morbus, yes i am.
14:23:02 [AaronSw]
actually, it's not a semantic web hacking forum
14:23:05 [Morbus]
it's a fine line that only Aaron knows about.
14:23:24 [AaronSw]
swhack is the sound that's going to be made when i hit Morbus in a few seconds.
14:23:27 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
14:23:47 [Morbus]
* Morbus fists AaronSw on the chin.
14:23:50 [Morbus]
that's me boy!
14:23:55 [Seth]
well fine, then fuck #swhack !
14:24:07 [Morbus]
Seth: most #swhack refugees have moved to #disobey.
14:24:08 [Morbus]
<G>
14:24:13 [AaronSw]
heh
14:24:29 [AaronSw]
hey, who cares, it's partition night
14:27:11 [Seth]
aaron, actually i am looking for a forum where i can discuss sailor and sailorServers and get hacking help with them ... i obviously could make a #sailor forum, but i think fragmenting is to scatter to the wind ... obvisulsy you are acting like this is hyour own private form .. well too bad, i just lost interest in it.
14:27:25 [AaronSw]
cool
14:27:29 [Seth]
Seth has left #swhack
14:27:41 [AaronSw]
hm, maybe that was the wrong response
14:27:48 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
14:27:52 [Morbus]
i have to agree, AaronSw.
14:27:56 [Morbus]
but you already know that.
14:28:10 [AaronSw]
I wanted to be positive...
14:28:11 [Morbus]
its your place, but yer getting draconian.
14:28:34 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw handcuffs Morbus and drags him to the torture chamber
14:28:40 [Morbus]
woot! <G>
14:31:25 [deltab]
so, now what?
14:31:43 [Morbus]
i guess he starts whipping me.
14:31:54 [Morbus]
* Morbus looks innocently at Aar... his mastah.
14:32:02 [AaronSw]
now we wait for someone to finish implementing the torture chamber
14:32:08 [AaronSw]
RSN... in my copious free time
14:33:35 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw lets morbus go free
14:33:50 [Morbus]
well, that was uneventful.
14:34:17 [deltab]
except for Seth leaving
14:34:32 [Morbus]
yeah, he's in #disobey now.
14:34:47 [AaronSw]
heh. he's dissing me in #dis
14:34:54 [AaronSw]
obey
14:35:15 [deltab]
* deltab sighs
14:35:42 [AaronSw]
What's wrong, deltab?
14:36:02 [deltab]
there's only a limited number of channels I can join
14:36:14 [AaronSw]
oh
14:36:38 [AaronSw]
i'd totally forgotten about that. hmmm
14:36:52 [Morbus]
deltab: why?
14:37:04 [Morbus]
maybe swhack should be named swhuck
14:37:05 [AaronSw]
there's a server-imposed limit
14:37:12 [Morbus]
really? how many?
14:37:21 [deltab]
20 or so
14:37:38 [Morbus]
wow. that sucks.
14:38:31 [AaronSw]
but you can start up another bitchx connection in the same process, right?
14:38:51 [deltab]
I tried once, and lost all the channels I was on
14:38:55 [AaronSw]
ugh
14:39:36 [thelsdj]
bwhahaha 'emerge technology'
14:39:36 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj goes back to sleep
14:39:36 [deltab]
besides, connections have to have different nicks
14:40:26 [sbp]
heh, wha'd I miss?
14:40:31 [AaronSw]
heh, a lot
14:40:35 [Morbus]
yeah./
14:41:18 [AaronSw]
maybe you can ask in #OpenProjects about it
14:49:11 [thelsdj]
i think i'm going to move to moveable type, i haven't blogged for over a week and its because i don't feel like loading up vmware just to get radio running heh
14:49:22 [AaronSw]
heh!
14:50:02 [loefgren]
loefgren has left #swhack
14:50:30 [thelsdj]
but now that i have amphetadesk for my aggregator theres no need for radio :)
14:50:52 [AaronSw]
yeah, mt + amphy is a killer
14:52:41 [thelsdj]
hmmm trackback
14:54:18 [thelsdj]
hmm i knew i should have made my weblog url be http://ipwebdev.com/weblog/ and not /radio/ now that i'm gonna change it makes no sense to keep it /radio/
14:55:26 [thelsdj]
i guess i'll just change it to /weblog/ now and ln -s my rss file
14:58:27 [Morbus]
AaronSw: someone said they were gonna work on a MT/XMLRPC bridge with Ampheta, but i havent' seen anything.
15:00:22 [Morbus]
AaronSw: do you use an aggregator?
15:00:35 [AaronSw]
no
15:04:01 [AaronSw]
can someone invite me to a channel?
15:04:07 [AaronSw]
(that i'm not in)
15:04:46 [Morbus]
lol: *** #sendmail: You need to be a channel operator to do that
15:05:10 [AaronSw]
heh, gotta block morbus' friends
15:05:24 [Morbus]
gotta block? huh?
15:05:31 [AaronSw]
tx
15:05:33 [Morbus]
np
15:05:41 [Morbus]
oh right.
15:05:51 [AaronSw]
they don't want you inviting your riffraff friends
15:06:07 [Morbus]
that happened in every chan i tried where i was non-ip though
15:06:17 [AaronSw]
hm, those chans should be +g
15:08:33 [AaronSw]
heh! http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/archives/000255.html#000255
15:10:33 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
15:11:10 [thelsdj]
An error occurred while loading data:
15:11:10 [thelsdj]
./mt.cfg:17: variable 'Database' not defined
15:11:14 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj smacks mt
15:11:31 [Morbus]
heh!
15:11:40 [Morbus]
thelsdj: you should write something to hook Ampheta into MT.
15:11:55 [thelsdj]
thats if i can get MT to run
15:12:11 [Morbus]
this is a brand new install?
15:12:18 [thelsdj]
but the docs on setting it up for mysql and how it actually works seems to be borked
15:12:19 [thelsdj]
yea
15:12:34 [Morbus]
ah.
15:12:42 [Morbus]
i've only dealth with the flatfiles. i won't move to mysql.
15:14:25 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj switches over to berkley db
15:15:17 [AaronSw]
whoa, new movable type!
15:15:46 [Morbus]
well, duh.
15:15:49 [Morbus]
* Morbus yawns.
15:15:56 [Morbus]
wake up, AaronSw, shit.
15:16:05 [Morbus]
i still haven't; checked the changelog.
15:16:11 [Morbus]
but it should have a patch from me in it too.
15:17:09 [Morbus]
argh.
15:17:12 [Morbus]
changelog doesn't show it.
15:17:12 [Morbus]
grea.t
15:17:18 [Morbus]
i forgot what the frel i did.
15:17:22 [Morbus]
so i can't upgrade.
15:17:29 [Morbus]
it was something importnat though. poo.
15:17:32 [Morbus]
where's my diff!
15:17:41 [Morbus]
* Morbus runs off muttering to hisself.
15:19:37 [AaronSw]
mt is such a pain to upgrade
15:20:56 [Morbus]
how would you make it easier?
15:22:08 [AaronSw]
have a script i can run
15:22:13 [AaronSw]
./upgrade
15:22:53 [Morbus]
that makes sense for you, but not for users who don't have shell access.
15:23:26 [AaronSw]
users w/o shell access can give a ftp:// uri to the script instead of a directory
15:24:25 [Morbus]
you mean, something like mt-upgrade.cgi?path_to_mt_install_folder=/cgi-bin/mt/?
15:25:25 [Morbus]
" A year later, in January 2002, Radio UserLand 8.0 shipped, and news aggregation became a mainstream application."
15:25:25 [AaronSw]
no
15:25:28 [Morbus]
aah. gotta love it.
15:25:39 [AaronSw]
where's that from?
15:25:45 [Morbus]
http://radio.userland.com/whatIsANewsAggregator
15:25:54 [Morbus]
which should be named "whatRadioConsidersAnAggregator"
15:26:12 [Morbus]
" we released Radio UserLand 7.0 which was the first software to bring XML-based aggregation to the desktop."
15:26:16 [Morbus]
i mean, that's blatantly not true.
15:26:22 [Morbus]
since Jeff's Headline Viewer was out far before that.
15:26:31 [Morbus]
called Carmen's before hand.
15:27:29 [AaronSw]
doesn't count
15:27:32 [AaronSw]
no mac support
15:27:43 [Morbus]
pff, then Radio doesn't count. no linux support.
15:27:49 [Morbus]
only ampheta counts. suck my tittie <g>
15:28:06 [AaronSw]
linux is a niche market
15:28:41 [AaronSw]
heh: "Developed by the husband/wife team of Benjamin Trott and Mena G. Trott, Movable Type is a testament of the power of independent software."
15:29:11 [Morbus]
macs could be considered a niche market as well.
15:29:15 [Morbus]
compared to win usage.
15:29:15 [AaronSw]
nah
15:29:25 [AaronSw]
windows is only like 5% of the market
15:29:36 [Morbus]
http://rss.blogspace.com/blogify?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdr_bob.blogspot.com%2F&public=1
15:29:53 [AaronSw]
since like 90% of windows users are stupid, they're not part of the market
15:29:57 [Morbus]
heh, heh!
15:30:28 [AaronSw]
"applications? don't all of those come with the computer?"
15:32:11 [Morbus]
can you check that error message on that url, AaronSw?
15:32:21 [Morbus]
er, nevermind. its gone now.
15:33:59 [AaronSw]
cool
15:34:07 [AaronSw]
now i don't have to fix anything
15:34:09 [Morbus]
now it's Server Busy.
15:34:11 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
15:34:18 [Morbus]
now, it won't even respond. heh.
15:34:35 [AaronSw]
heh, stop breaking the server
15:34:47 [Morbus]
poke, poke <g>
15:37:15 [AaronSw]
I can't find my TrackBack listing template
15:37:15 [AaronSw]
i wonder if my upgrade screwed up
15:37:15 [AaronSw]
aaargh
15:37:19 [AaronSw]
airport died again
15:44:19 [AaronSw]
ooh, sending people to competitors
15:44:46 [AaronSw]
do you think people would mind if i just shut all the rss feeds down?
15:45:18 [sbp]
heh
15:49:09 [thelsdj]
is there an easy way in MT to create a link in the excerpt to the extended text?
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15:55:51 [AaronSw]
you can add it to your rss template
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15:57:06 [thelsdj]
ah hm can you paste example?
15:58:25 [AaronSw]
if you're using rss 1.0, you can just include the full text of the entry
15:59:17 [bitsko]
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15:59:29 [bitsko]
Swhack!
15:59:39 [AaronSw]
bitsko!
15:59:52 [AaronSw]
Anyone here going to OSCON?
16:01:00 [bitsko]
not me :(
16:01:19 [bitsko]
they probably don't want me back after the Orchard fiasco :-/
16:01:29 [AaronSw]
oh?
16:01:43 [GabeW]
orchard fiasco?
16:01:51 [AaronSw]
spill! splill!
16:04:03 [bitsko]
oh, nothing major. Orchard was full-steam-ahead up thru the time for paper submissions, then my job shifted, O'Reilly offered to pick up the travel, but I couldn't make it, Matt Sergeant did one of the presentations, then I had no time to work on it, then Matt, Kip, and Robin (Perl XML guys) couldn't wait and went a slightly different direction, and now Orchard is just a fond memory of a good set of ideas just wasting away
16:05:28 [bitsko]
Every failed/stalled project should have a post-mortem, where you offer to other projects, "if there were a handful of major ideas that came out of this, here they are and here's the place in the source where it does it..."
16:06:25 [thelsdj]
AaronSw: edit the tempate of rss 1.0 to include full text or paste full text into excerpt?
16:07:23 [AaronSw]
edit the template
16:07:39 [AaronSw]
bitsko, yeah...
16:11:34 [bitsko]
for Orchard, it was the namespaced-attributes, the "easy C extension language for scripting languages (with GC and dynamic typing)", and the RESTful, data-focus of the libraries (vs. API-focused)
16:12:08 [bitsko]
MOC could be pulled out of Orchard and applied directly to Perl, Py, Ruby.
16:13:16 [AaronSw]
did i tell you i'm learning cocoa now?
16:13:28 [AaronSw]
autorelease pools are like all the downsides of gc with no benefits
16:14:00 [bitsko]
that's not GC, that reference counting. reference counting sucks.
16:14:27 [bitsko]
or if that's what you meant, ya. all the worst of GC and no benefits
16:14:54 [bitsko]
good thing on learning Cocoa, tho! Cocoa rocks!
16:15:07 [AaronSw]
yeah, refcounting gc... python uses that, no?
16:15:12 [AaronSw]
Cocoa does rock
16:15:39 [bitsko]
there's no question that Cocoa is still light-years ahead of most near any framework on the market, and it's been virtually unchanged for a decade
16:15:50 [deltab]
AaronSw: yes
16:16:22 [bitsko]
Py used to do refcounting internally, so it was a bitch to deal with in C (tho far, far better than Perl), but now it's fully GC (since 2.1 or 2.2)
16:16:55 [bitsko]
actually, I shouldn't say it was a bitch. it was probably a little better than autorelease pools ;)
16:17:45 [AaronSw]
i just wish obj-c was python so i didn't have to deal with all that idiocy
16:19:41 [bitsko]
I wish the folks at Apple (and a few vocal non-Apple folks) would just friggin *get it*.
16:20:14 [bitsko]
it's impossible to even broach the subject with them (no thanks, unfortunately, to the vocal GC contingent, either)
16:21:04 [AaronSw]
gc contingent?
16:21:19 [bitsko]
as I understand it though, the GCC folks are quite happy to do it both ways in GnuStep, so it's likely that sooner or later it'll prove itself and the RC folks will deal
16:21:51 [Morbus]
* Morbus returns.
16:21:53 [Morbus]
bitsko! hey.
16:21:58 [bitsko]
David Stes and a few of the GnuStep/GCC folks, David Stes mostly. he's the author of Portable Object Compiler (POC), Yet Another ObjC compiler
16:22:13 [bitsko]
but POC is fully GC
16:22:31 [bitsko]
it also has far faster method dispatching, that Apple won't consider either
16:22:59 [Morbus]
AaronSw: you mentioned somewhere recently about mirroring content. have you had more thoughts on that?
16:23:08 [bitsko]
the problem with Stes, tho, is that he's got his own set of sacred cows, among them is a hatred for things like categories and protocols
16:23:21 [AaronSw]
Morbus, yes
16:23:31 [Morbus]
are they written up somewhere?
16:23:35 [AaronSw]
interfaces, that's another thing that drives me crazy.
16:23:48 [AaronSw]
Morbus, not really
16:24:09 [bitsko]
Protocols, you mean? or are they calling them interfaces now to appeal to the Java folks?
16:25:17 [redmonk]
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16:26:06 [redmonk]
yo yo yo
16:26:21 [AaronSw]
i mean having to redefine everything in a .h file
16:26:33 [AaronSw]
i guess that's a C thing
16:26:36 [AaronSw]
yo redmonk
16:26:40 [bitsko]
oh, ya.
16:27:07 [bitsko]
I think POC also does away with .h files. they're not really necessary in a dynamic language
16:27:22 [redmonk]
hi aaronsw
16:27:23 [bitsko]
MOC sure as heck doesn't use them! :)
16:27:45 [bitsko]
re. content mirroring: wikis
16:28:34 [Morbus]
bitsko: how do you figure?
16:28:37 [Morbus]
how can you automate that?
16:28:40 [Morbus]
like an ftp mirror?
16:28:59 [AaronSw]
what do you want to mirror, morb?
16:29:27 [bitsko]
most of the P2P protocols (incl. NNTP) would mirror wikis just fine
16:29:48 [pixel]
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16:29:50 [Acapnotic]
speaking of which, I need to set up a backup routine for our intranet wiki
16:30:07 [Morbus]
AaronSw: i have nothing in mind.
16:30:10 [bitsko]
I think there's been a lot of progress recently on inter-wiki formatting, too
16:30:17 [Morbus]
but they'd be arbitraty collections of documents and images, mostly.
16:30:44 [Morbus]
bwahaha: http://radio.weblogs.com/0104033/stories/2002/04/15/freeSpamFilteringForMacosX.html
16:30:53 [aloalo]
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16:31:07 [AaronSw]
unison seems awesome for that kind of thing
16:33:00 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj kicks mt templates
16:33:15 [Morbus]
bwahahaha
16:33:20 [AaronSw]
let me know if you want me to send you some mt templates
16:33:23 [Morbus]
[[[
16:33:23 [Morbus]
BTW, my community-gifted iPod just arrived. Thanks. It's amazing that the weblog world can become something so material and so generous.
16:33:32 [Morbus]
and guys and gals, this is for people who use Macs. I'm not one of those people. I use Windows. I have a Mac, but I've never even turned it on. Uhhh. It's the thought that counts I'm sure.
16:33:33 [Morbus]
]]]
16:33:38 [Morbus]
in other words: a typical "fuck you" from dave winer
16:33:39 [thelsdj]
AaronSw: i wouldn't mind a good rss template
16:34:03 [AaronSw]
email?
16:34:04 [thelsdj]
yup
16:34:22 [thelsdj]
[off] adam at ipwebdev.com
16:34:39 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj already regrets the $20 he donated for that
16:35:01 [Morbus]
[off] you *donated*?
16:35:03 [Morbus]
[off] wow.
16:35:13 [Morbus]
[off] i thought about it for a second.
16:35:39 [thelsdj]
[off] that was the same week k5 was asking for money and my bank account was at an all time high and i just went a lil far with donations hah
16:35:52 [pixel]
I can't believe that. what a dick.
16:35:54 [Morbus]
[off] heh, heh.
16:35:59 [Morbus]
yeah, wicked bad.
16:36:00 [Morbus]
jesus./
16:36:09 [pixel]
the reason they got it for him was he had been talking about it weeks ago and saying how cool it would be.
16:36:29 [pixel]
[off] ack. i always forget the off.
16:36:39 [Morbus]
[off] that's alright. be a man.
16:36:59 [redmonk]
[[[
16:37:00 [redmonk]
This product emobdies everything I hate about Apple. You may not like me for that but the wtf, life's to short to beat around the bush. And I'll keep an open mind.
16:37:01 [redmonk]
]]]
16:37:03 [redmonk]
uh huh
16:37:06 [redmonk]
open my ass
16:37:15 [Morbus]
is that from an earlier comment of his?
16:37:51 [redmonk]
http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/06/27#When:10:30:28AM
16:37:54 [redmonk]
this am
16:37:58 [redmonk]
about the ipod!
16:38:00 [redmonk]
asshole
16:38:16 [Morbus]
oh shit, i didn't read further.
16:38:19 [Morbus]
saw "sony laptop" and moved on.
16:38:20 [Morbus]
fucker.
16:38:53 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj rewrites his 'moving to movable type' post so it bashes radio a bit more
16:39:35 [pixel]
[off] you know, he sounds REAL uptight. I think he needs a cigarette.
16:39:53 [pixel]
[off] heehee
16:40:21 [bitsko]
[off] it's currently being updated. take snapshots ;)
16:40:49 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
16:40:53 [thelsdj]
[off] maybe we should have bought him a few cartons for those heavy urges?
16:41:00 [Morbus]
[off] how can you tell it's being updated, bitsko?
16:41:59 [bitsko]
[off] reloading. when I first read it, it didn't say "And I'll keep an open mind", and it did say "I hate Apple." instead of "I hate Apple's attitude."
16:42:37 [Morbus]
[off] ah.
16:42:39 [bitsko]
[off] it's rather typical of how he writes off-the-cuff about Unix/Linux/OpenSource and then softens it up later
16:42:53 [thelsdj]
[off] i have screenshot heh
16:43:02 [Morbus]
[off] thelsdj: where's your moving to mt post?
16:43:21 [Morbus]
i tweaked ampheta this morning to handle his coffee cup icons.
16:43:29 [Morbus]
it won't be published in code, but the instructions are available
16:43:39 [Morbus]
i sent him a copy of the email. you know. community, and all.
16:43:40 [Morbus]
<g>
16:44:11 [thelsdj]
[off] http://www.ipwebdev.com/weblog/archives/000001.php haven't edited it yet
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16:44:23 [Morbus]
thelsdj: what sorta stuff is in your sub.opml list? i'm about to subscribe to it <g>
16:45:04 [Morbus]
"The real question now is, can I connect AmphetaDesk and Moveable Type? I think I'll go at that this weekend"
16:45:05 [bitsko]
I think Jeff Bone just volunteered to host the RSS modules synopsis directory :)
16:45:06 [Morbus]
OOOH <g>
16:45:15 [Morbus]
s/Bone/Barr/
16:45:34 [Morbus]
thelsdj: you can probably do it by constructing XML-RPC queries with SOAP::Lite
16:45:35 [thelsdj]
Morbus: scary stuff
16:45:46 [Morbus]
SOAP::Lite can be installed in the lib/ directory of amphetadesk and then transparently used within the templates.
16:46:41 [thelsdj]
[off] the whole hate apple thing is gone now
16:47:51 [pixel]
[off] he should learn not to post things live unless he really wants it live.
16:48:05 [redmonk]
figures.
16:48:48 [redmonk]
I was about to publicly flog Dave for gross ingratitude, when he edited Scripting News.
16:48:57 [redmonk]
I hate that.
16:49:12 [AaronSw]
[off] i've archived most of the versions
16:49:12 [AaronSw]
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16:49:19 [Morbus]
[off] heh, heh.
16:49:25 [Ash-w]
who the fuck would donate money so dave can have an ipod
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16:49:34 [Ash-w]
THEY SHOULD BE GIVING THE MONEY TO LILO
16:49:35 [Morbus]
hell, maybe i should take up smoking.
16:49:37 [Ash-w]
duh
16:49:54 [Morbus]
then i can have some money sent to me.
16:50:26 [redmonk]
Dave like s ot get his point acroos to millions, but not have it archived for posterity
16:50:26 [pixel]
[off] he still has the whole part about him not using macs, and the "uhhh it's the thought that counts" part. he's leaving the whole lack of appreciation part in there.
16:50:34 [redmonk]
heh
16:50:35 [AaronSw]
good point, ash
16:50:45 [AaronSw]
nah, everyone wants morbus to die
16:50:55 [AaronSw]
oops, that was supposed to be off-log
16:50:58 [AaronSw]
i mean not said! not said!
16:51:12 [pixel]
can we donate to that?
16:51:44 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you hurt my feelings.
16:51:56 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gives Morbus a hug
16:52:14 [Morbus]
uh... wait.
16:52:16 [Morbus]
how tall are you?
16:52:20 [Morbus]
cos i don't want you hugging my package.
16:52:21 [Morbus]
you know.
16:52:27 [pixel]
HAHAHAH
16:52:29 [Morbus]
<g>
16:52:54 [AaronSw]
HAHAHAHAHA
16:53:00 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
16:53:06 [Morbus]
bitch.
16:53:09 [Morbus]
:)
16:58:03 [Ash-w]
rotfl morbus
16:58:05 [Morbus]
AaronSw: this new site you just mentioned on RSS-DEV - is it incorporated RSS Info?
16:58:15 [Morbus]
er, ted/ing
16:58:21 [AaronSw]
no
16:58:32 [Morbus]
k.
16:58:39 [Morbus]
i still gotta map out what i want done with the rss site i'm planning.
16:58:46 [Morbus]
plus i gotta make a new ui for syndic8.
16:58:47 [Morbus]
bah.
16:59:06 [AaronSw]
oscon has way too many rooms
17:05:51 [Morbus]
* Morbus starts humming.
17:06:29 [redmonk]
* redmonk loves spamassassin
17:06:51 [Morbus]
redmonk: i used it on the isp here and it worked marvelously.
17:06:53 [Morbus]
100% reduction.
17:06:59 [Morbus]
i had to take it off though - too much of a resource hog
17:07:13 [redmonk]
you know you can run spamd now
17:07:37 [Morbus]
that *was* with spamd.
17:07:38 [redmonk]
it's a daemon, instead of spawning a new perl each time
17:07:38 [redmonk]
supposed to be much better
17:07:47 [Morbus]
this was the command: - /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/spamd -d -x -L -S -F 1 -u mail
17:07:57 [Morbus]
which is like "uber evil optimization"
17:08:02 [Morbus]
and still, doubled my resource load.
17:08:13 [Morbus]
er, skip that /usr/bin/perl
17:09:38 [redmonk]
oh. wow
17:09:38 [redmonk]
ah
17:09:38 [redmonk]
hey - what's the jobs channel?
17:10:12 [redmonk]
thx
17:10:21 [pixel]
heheheh
17:10:44 [bitsko]
* bitsko will be looking to rent out an XP team soon, have some spare time coming up
17:10:50 [pixel]
I'd pay you to make me some banana bread right now.
17:10:57 [Morbus]
bitsko: ?
17:11:10 [Morbus]
pixel: i have some betty crocker mix at home.
17:11:13 [Morbus]
its for muffins though.
17:11:15 [redmonk]
lol. Jodi made the banana bread :)
17:11:18 [Morbus]
but i can put them in a square pan i fyou wan.t
17:11:28 [bitsko]
my team will have a gap in projects next month, so we're for rent :)
17:11:29 [pixel]
I do to. but I don't ahve time to make it. have to replace my water heater tonight.
17:11:43 [Morbus]
replace it with bitsko.
17:12:01 [Morbus]
a bike or two. some bellows.
17:12:06 [pixel]
bitsco: how much will it cost for you all to write something to generate an endless supply of water for me/
17:12:58 [bitsko]
endless is easy, but do you want it on a regular basis?
17:13:05 [Acapnotic]
pixel: I have one of those -- in my kitchen sink!
17:13:38 [pixel]
I want it on demand, at about 130 degress, and as much as I can use :)
17:13:59 [pixel]
I typically want it all the time, but my wife doesn't give in that often.
17:14:07 [Morbus]
yeah, but where would you store an endless supply?
17:14:14 [pixel]
in my pants.
17:14:25 [Morbus]
wouldn't they shrink?
17:14:49 [pixel]
eventually, I suppose they would. I'd just have to get new ones.
17:15:11 [Morbus]
but you'd spend an endless amount of time transferring the water from pant to loon.
17:15:14 [Morbus]
(heh, heh)
17:15:22 [pixel]
plus, certain parts of me would get mad at me for storing 130 degree water in my pants.
17:15:30 [pixel]
heheheh
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17:17:46 [bitsko]
[off] duh, the iPod *is* friggin OS independent, it's a friggin automounting HardDrive for goddess' sake!
17:19:01 [thelsdj]
[off] http://www.ipwebdev.com/weblog/archives/000001.php#000001 how long before daveites start knocking down my door?
17:19:07 [bitsko]
[off] anyone want to put odds on whether there's a note saying the 4-pin FireWire cable is the "standard" and Apple should be dinged for not using the "standard", because that just happens to be what his Sony Vaio laptop has?
17:19:09 [thelsdj]
[off] hehe
17:19:41 [Morbus]
well, that's messed up.
17:19:42 [Morbus]
http://oth.net/s/s?q=aphex&cl=1&n=1
17:19:51 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: see you at oscon: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000371
17:19:58 [Morbus]
clicking on the 3rd 0k one in Mozilla gives a security error.
17:20:04 [Morbus]
that port 25 has been disabled for security reasons.
17:20:23 [Morbus]
[off] AaronSw, i think i got oth.net from you. have you used it alot?
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17:20:42 [AaronSw]
[off] not really. but i got some good radiohead off of there
17:21:36 [Morbus]
[off] i'm back to carracho/hotline for my mp3s.
17:21:37 [redmonk]
so... I hate monster and dice now. anyone have any ideas how one goes about finding a geekjob these days?
17:21:58 [pixel]
I've been using LimeWire. it works quite well.
17:22:03 [thelsdj]
[off] i've been using direct connect lately
17:22:26 [pixel]
you got me on that one , red. I've been trying to find some freelance work for months.
17:22:30 [Morbus]
[off] direct connect?
17:22:33 [thelsdj]
[off] been mostly downloading mixes/live sets
17:22:39 [AaronSw]
redmonk, judging from my biased sample of unemployed programmers you sit in irc and blab and occasionally hack on cool p2p projects
17:22:41 [Morbus]
[off] i can never get limewire working well on 56k modems. it saturates.
17:22:56 [thelsdj]
[off] what OS you running morbus?
17:23:05 [Morbus]
[off] all of the above
17:23:09 [Morbus]
[off] right now, win32.
17:23:34 [pixel]
[off] never tried it on a 56k.
17:23:59 [thelsdj]
[off] dcplusplus.sf.net for windows i think, and for linux http://www.ac2i.tzo.com/dctc/
17:25:06 [Morbus]
[off] interesting.
17:28:22 [thelsdj]
linked my old rss file to my new one heh probably should add a notice to the top of my old weblog with a link to the new one
17:28:26 [bitsko]
redmonk: try headhunter/contractor combos, they tend to have a lot more week-to-week contact with employers and can often place for either contracting or full-time
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17:34:54 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj wonders where the trackback template is supposed to be hrm oh fark fark fark fark, hehe i installed old version of mt that i had lying around instead of 2.2
17:35:06 [AaronSw]
heh!
17:35:24 [bitsko]
so, what does trackback actually *do*?
17:35:36 [bitsko]
what's different from a permalink?
17:36:25 [redmonk]
i think trackback lets you "ping" a site you're linking to
17:36:31 [redmonk]
so they can then link back
17:36:35 [redmonk]
but not sure
17:37:41 [Morbus]
yeah, pretty much.
17:39:45 [AaronSw]
right, it automatically sends title/link info
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17:50:11 [Morbus]
http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2002/06/index.shtml#001333
17:53:44 [Morbus]
http://webreference.com/xml/column53/
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18:05:23 [bitsko]
that's how it starts: Supreme Court opens up random drug testing in high schools
18:05:53 [bitsko]
kinda surprises me the SC would do that. sad, sad day
18:11:55 [AaronSw]
oh dear
18:14:44 [bitsko]
next year: random mp3/p2p testing.
18:17:03 [bitsko]
otoh, the SC allowed vouchers to religious schools, which I agree with.
18:20:47 [AaronSw]
oops!
18:20:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw fixes embarassing big-title css bug on his website
18:21:11 [AaronSw]
heh, random mp3 testing
18:21:28 [AaronSw]
"up against the wall! what's your passphrase! tell me!"
18:22:48 [bitsko]
what was the title css bug?
18:24:19 [AaronSw]
for some reason my title was showing up incredibly large in moz, but it was masked on IEMac because i'd declared another size thing later on
18:24:24 [thelsdj]
vouchers for religious schools? ah i think i get it, at first i thought you were saying the SC allowed religious schools to bypass the random drug testing
18:24:40 [Morbus]
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~rclark/gorn.html
18:24:45 [bitsko]
heh. no, two seperate decisions
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18:25:42 [bitsko]
otoh, this response to the federal court ruling on the Pledge of Allegiance is a little scary: http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/1533205/detail.html
18:26:00 [bitsko]
<<Bush told reporters at the G-8 economic conference in Calgary, Canada. "We need commonsense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God.">>
18:26:22 [bitsko]
<<Bush promised to appoint judges who would overturn such rulings.>>
18:27:00 [AaronSw]
oh dear
18:27:46 [AaronSw]
I had no idea Daschle was such an idiot on religious matters.
18:28:26 [AaronSw]
DNA's comments about atheism were interesting.
18:28:45 [AaronSw]
Ooh, Mena reads my blog.
18:29:47 [AaronSw]
oh wow, the AirPort base station supports remote dialing
18:30:02 [sbp]
lol @ "hugging my package"
18:30:25 [AaronSw]
i'm apparently getting taller :/
18:30:41 [sbp]
that's a good thing when you're in a crows
18:30:47 [sbp]
s/s$/d$/
18:31:30 [Morbus]
hehehhe.
18:31:33 [AaronSw]
no it's not
18:31:46 [sbp]
well, people sneer at you more
18:31:53 [sbp]
but at least you can look down on them
18:31:54 [AaronSw]
being short was awesome in crowds. i got front row seats to the olympics that way
18:31:59 [sbp]
heh!
18:33:55 [sbp]
* sbp just wrote up a quick Conway's Life implementation in Python
18:35:09 [AaronSw]
ooh
18:37:59 [Morbus]
whoo. new engrish.
18:37:59 [Morbus]
http://www.engrish.com/recentdiscoveries.html
18:38:16 [AaronSw]
heh: "I don't think Oleg, our downstairs neighbor, wants to hear any more of our fighting about pings or Netscape 4.0."
18:38:19 [Morbus]
bwahahaha.
18:38:22 [Morbus]
"doesn't sound too friendly to me"
18:38:44 [Morbus]
LOL!@
18:38:45 [Morbus]
oh man.
18:38:49 [Morbus]
"world of pain"
18:38:53 [Morbus]
and the fuckin... bwahahahah
18:39:28 [AaronSw]
ummmmmm http://www.dollarshort.org/images/ess_blogging_comp.gif
18:40:57 [Morbus]
aare they fucking?
18:41:05 [Morbus]
jesus. that cats huge
18:41:21 [Morbus]
he must be like BrainCat of the Mighty Fat Clan.
18:41:32 [Morbus]
"i shall assault you with my large forehead"!
18:41:35 [Morbus]
"meowwww!"
18:41:52 [Morbus]
<g>
18:42:29 [AaronSw]
do go on
18:42:58 [Morbus]
from the comments: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/satan/
18:43:04 [Morbus]
"protecting networks with satan".
18:43:06 [Morbus]
that's flipping hiliarios.
18:43:07 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj quotes Morbus on that
18:43:17 [Morbus]
quoting me where?
18:43:19 [Morbus]
<g>
18:43:26 [AaronSw]
hey, i'm quoting him!
18:43:34 [Morbus]
heheheheh.
18:43:42 [AaronSw]
http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000372
18:43:43 [Morbus]
now, now, children.
18:43:51 [thelsdj]
noo!
18:44:00 [Morbus]
hehehehe.
18:44:19 [Morbus]
what the hell is http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ummmmmm%20http://www.dollarshort.org/images/ess_blogging_comp.gif
18:44:23 [Morbus]
weirdo.
18:44:28 [Morbus]
that's the strangest redirect counter i've seen.
18:44:29 [Morbus]
<g>
18:44:33 [AaronSw]
heh
18:44:42 [AaronSw]
you can shut up now
18:44:54 [Morbus]
no, all your text is in the public domain.
18:44:57 [Morbus]
i own you <g>
18:45:24 [AaronSw]
ooh, 2.2. has a "rebuilding" "pinging" "redirecting you to the main menu which is compeltelt=userless!@@!!!@##()' screen
18:45:27 [Morbus]
the cat has a beaver tale too.
18:45:35 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:45:41 [Morbus]
it redirects you to the main menu?
18:45:47 [Morbus]
how the hell does that make any sense?
18:45:50 [AaronSw]
yeah
18:46:03 [Morbus]
sigh.
18:46:12 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.dollarshort.org/puppet-small.mov
18:46:19 [Morbus]
i'm sticking with 2.1 for a while, until I can figure out my diff that didn't seem to get patched in.
18:46:46 [Morbus]
uhhhh. <g>
18:46:57 [GabeW]
hey, does anyone know where W3C defines "Resource"?
18:47:43 [Morbus]
redmonk: did you follow the disinfo SA instructions, or the Ben Trott instructions?
18:47:49 [Morbus]
what about you, AaronSw? you're using SA, right?
18:47:51 [AaronSw]
disinfo?
18:48:01 [AaronSw]
yeah, i use it on the server
18:48:10 [AaronSw]
GabeW, it's defined in RFC2396
18:48:24 [Morbus]
oh, server, not your local box. got it.
18:48:33 [Morbus]
http://ceicher.homeunix.com/mt-static/docs/FreeSpamFilteringForMacOSX.html
18:48:33 [AaronSw]
what's this disinfo?
18:48:35 [redmonk]
i used the instructions liked from that page i posted earlier
18:48:36 [Morbus]
^^
18:48:51 [redmonk]
the one with disparaging remarks about luserland
18:49:05 [Morbus]
heh, heh. yeah.
18:49:58 [AaronSw]
i can't seem to get thru to it...
18:51:50 [Morbus]
yeah, same here.
18:51:58 [Morbus]
you know, with the instructions here:
18:51:58 [Morbus]
http://rhumba.pair.com/ben/docs/sa.html
18:52:08 [bitsko]
AaronSw: what, specifically, was the title css fix for your blog? it's fixed the bleeding too. I need that fix for my css ;)
18:52:14 [Morbus]
i should be able to write up a quick script that just removes the spam from the server, and then opens up eudora normally to pop normally.
18:52:23 [Morbus]
that would save me having to worry about the eudora mbox format fucking up.
18:52:28 [AaronSw]
i just removed the font-size: reallyBig; line
18:52:38 [AaronSw]
i fixed the bleeding by putting it in a <table>
18:52:47 [Morbus]
gasp! a table?!
18:53:12 [bitsko]
ah
18:53:38 [bitsko]
that's what I was trying to get *away* from! so much for "Use CSS! Tables are Evil!"
18:53:39 [AaronSw]
Morbus, anything to stop bleeding
18:53:46 [bitsko]
hehe
18:53:50 [Morbus]
yeah, but i though... you... you used a table!
18:53:53 [redmonk]
a bandana works for that too
18:53:53 [Morbus]
and it's not tabular data!
18:53:56 [AaronSw]
tables are evil when used for design purposes
18:53:56 [Morbus]
that's like... a sin!
18:54:06 [AaronSw]
but since it only has like one entry it's not so bad.
18:54:07 [Morbus]
well! you're solving a problem with the design!
18:54:09 [Morbus]
by using a table!
18:54:12 [Morbus]
design purposes!
18:54:16 [Morbus]
* Morbus points wide-eyed!
18:54:26 [AaronSw]
i tried everything else! honestg
18:54:29 [AaronSw]
i wqas despatate
18:54:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw cries
18:54:53 [Morbus]
* Morbus goes to Aaron and begins a hu... uh. wait. nevermind.
18:56:03 [Morbus]
http://markpasc.org/blog/2002/06/24.html#i125105
18:56:05 [Morbus]
* Morbus grumbles
18:56:32 [bitsko]
* bitsko thinks Perl 6 is a non-starter
18:56:45 [Morbus]
heh, he.h
18:58:02 [Morbus]
hrm, apparently eudora doesn't truly use mbox format: http://www.xs4all.nl/~maryniak/eudora2unix/
18:58:04 [Morbus]
i know it's plain text.
18:58:09 [Morbus]
i wonder what the diffs are.
18:59:17 [bitsko]
maybe it uses MIME
18:59:24 [bitsko]
* bitsko harrumphs
18:59:41 [Morbus]
what client do you use, bitsko?
19:01:01 [AaronSw]
iMail 4 ever
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19:02:06 [bitsko]
emacs gnus
19:02:27 [Morbus]
hmmm.
19:02:30 [Morbus]
i dunno: http://docs.kde.org/HEAD/kdenetwork/kmail/importing.html
19:02:36 [bitsko]
the uber-mua
19:02:37 [Morbus]
here it sounds like its dandy about using the mbox format.
19:02:38 [Morbus]
bah.
19:02:44 [Morbus]
i've no time to experiment!
19:02:53 [bitsko]
it even reads RSS!
19:02:59 [AaronSw]
wow
19:03:08 [AaronSw]
does it do incremental search?
19:03:15 [bitsko]
it'll maintain RSS channels just like any other folder
19:03:23 [bitsko]
heh
19:03:32 [bitsko]
* bitsko wonders if AaronSw is serious
19:03:38 [AaronSw]
of course
19:03:43 [AaronSw]
an obvious yes, right?
19:04:17 [bitsko]
Emacs begat incremental search
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19:05:11 [AaronSw]
yeah, i just didn't know if it did it on the headers like iMail
19:05:24 [Morbus]
i wonder how eudora stores its color labeling information.
19:05:37 [bitsko]
of course, the header buffer is just a buffer like any other
19:05:58 [bitsko]
(that goes to my comments the other day about an Emacs GUI)
19:06:46 [AaronSw]
oh, so it doesn't do narrowing, just highlighting?
19:06:55 [Morbus]
that's a weird looking line: From ???@??? Mon May 06 13:06:41 2002
19:06:58 [Morbus]
from the eudora mbox.
19:07:06 [AaronSw]
heh, from the back of the sed and awk book: ""The animal featured... is a slender loris... Lorises have been observed urinating on their hands & feet‹ it is thought that they do this to improve their grip while climbing..."
19:07:11 [Morbus]
no color information in there though. dammit.
19:07:24 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/satan/
19:07:33 [Morbus]
yeah, i saw that <g>
19:07:49 [Morbus]
[[[
19:07:49 [Morbus]
[15:43] <Morbus> from the comments: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/satan/
19:07:49 [Morbus]
[15:43] <Morbus> "protecting networks with satan".
19:07:49 [Morbus]
[15:43] <Morbus> that's flipping hiliarios.
19:07:49 [Morbus]
[15:43] * thelsdj quotes Morbus on that
19:07:50 [Morbus]
]]]
19:07:55 [Morbus]
25 minutes ago, silly.
19:08:15 [AaronSw]
geez, i was too busy blogging
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19:11:46 [AaronSw]
"I think the big cat symbolizes the Ben/Mena Trott Super-blogging Monster crushing all the other co-authors."
19:13:55 [Morbus]
maybe i'll fiddle with procmail/SA tonight.
19:13:57 [Morbus]
oh, that'll be ajoy.
19:14:06 [Morbus]
the suck ass thing is that i can filter with procmail, but i won't be able to filter by color.
19:14:10 [Morbus]
and i use color pretty extensively.
19:14:11 [Morbus]
bah.
19:14:22 [Morbus]
my eudora is like a rainbow of subfilters.
19:16:07 [bitsko]
<<The problem with this scenario is that web browsers are not very good at being newsreaders. They do not keep track of what articles you've read; they do not allow you to score on subjects you're interested in; they do not allow off-line browsing; they require you to click around and drive you mad in the end.>>
19:16:20 [bitsko]
<<So--if web browsers suck at reading discussion forums, why not use Gnus to do it instead?>>
19:16:25 [Morbus]
heheh.
19:17:20 [bitsko]
Gnus supports mail archives (Yahoo, mail-archives.com), web searches (Google, Yahoo), Slashdot (w/comments), Ultimate BBS, RSS, and a couple others
19:17:30 [bitsko]
Aaron! stop that already!
19:17:36 [AaronSw]
sorry
19:17:40 [bitsko]
hehe
19:17:50 [AaronSw]
just wanted to make sure you werent using emacs IRC
19:18:02 [bitsko]
ooh, is there one?
19:18:10 [AaronSw]
two at least
19:18:20 [bitsko]
there are!!
19:18:29 [bitsko]
brb
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lol
19:18:50 [Morbus]
hehehe
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* bitsko j/k. no time to play right now
19:19:05 [AaronSw]
heh
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<AaronSw> lol
19:19:13 [AaronSw]
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsIRCClient
19:20:02 [bitsko]
RH7.2 doesn't have the emacs RSS stuff :(
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19:23:23 [Morbus]
[[[
19:23:24 [Morbus]
[16:24] <Morbus> gleefully is the new buzz word. i am your revolution. woot, woot, insert evil laugh, i shall rule the world.
19:23:24 [Morbus]
[16:24] * Morbus sighs.
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]]]
19:23:38 [Morbus]
long long story behind that.
19:23:39 [Morbus]
nevermind.
19:23:41 [Morbus]
worthless paste.
19:24:37 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj gives morbus some pills for that
19:36:38 [Morbus]
pills?!
19:36:40 [Morbus]
i know pills.
19:36:41 [Morbus]
woot, woot.
19:37:52 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj needs to order some more pills
19:49:03 [bitsko]
* bitsko notes one must use the latest gnus beta to get nnrss backend
19:49:05 [Morbus]
anyone looked/used xfml?
19:50:09 [bitsko]
XMLhack in gnus:
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. [ ?: nobody ] XML and the IETF: Making the case for RELAX $
19:50:27 [bitsko]
. [ ?: nobody ] Web Services Interoperability panel at XML O$
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. [ ?: nobody ] diffxml and patchxml: new XML-aware diff/pat$
19:50:27 [bitsko]
. [ ?: nobody ] Growing RDF mindshare reflected in XML Web S$
19:50:27 [bitsko]
. [ ?: nobody ] Mozilla 1.0 Released
19:50:27 [bitsko]
. [ ?: nobody ] The Book of SAX
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. [ ?: nobody ] New Book: Definitive XML Application Develop$
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. [ ?: nobody ] Project and proposal for integrating validat$
19:50:40 [Morbus]
!! mozilla 1.0 was released?!
19:50:40 [Morbus]
shit.
19:50:50 [bitsko]
first message:
19:50:56 [bitsko]
Subject: XML and the IETF: Making the case for RELAX NG
19:50:56 [bitsko]
Newsgroups: XMLhack
19:50:56 [bitsko]
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:48:11 -0500
19:50:56 [bitsko]
19:50:56 [bitsko]
In a message to the ietf-xml-use mailing list, James Clark makes a
19:50:57 [bitsko]
detailed case for giving RELAX NG at least "equal billing" with the
19:50:59 [bitsko]
W3C XML schema language as a recommended formalism in IETF protocols
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using XML.
19:51:03 [bitsko]
19:51:05 [bitsko]
http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1677
19:51:23 [thelsdj]
Morbus: like over a week ago lol
19:51:32 [Morbus]
dude, i'm kidding <g>
19:51:35 [thelsdj]
or something like that
19:51:54 [thelsdj]
hah
19:52:17 [bitsko]
wow.
19:52:21 [thelsdj]
yea as my brain went throught the process i was thinking 'that was like near 3 weeks ago, he couldn't have been out of it that long'
19:52:32 [bitsko]
with apologies to our own Morbus, I've found my aggregator nirvana
19:53:03 [Morbus]
emacs? <G>
19:53:10 [bitsko]
of course, I had to be an emacs-head first, but them's the breaks
19:53:12 [Morbus]
er, gnus, rather.
19:53:17 [bitsko]
yes
19:53:19 [Morbus]
i've never used emacs.
19:53:24 [Morbus]
the crowd gasps.
19:54:08 [thelsdj]
i first learned emacs cause i didn't quite get vim, but as soon as i learned vim i left emacs and never went back
19:54:47 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:54:58 [Morbus]
i've been using vim when i'm at a screen. but, i use bbedit all the time.
19:56:53 [thelsdj]
i use nedit when i'm working with lotsa docs
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headed home, later
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yo
20:22:55 [Morbus]
eh oh.
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* sbp waves
20:31:28 [Morbus]
HI SEAN B. PALMER
20:31:40 [sbp]
HI MORBAS
20:33:11 [Morbus]
HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
20:33:31 [sbp]
IAM O.K. ITHANKU FOR AKSING
20:34:02 [Morbus]
NO PROBLEM. I LIKE GETTING A FEEL FOR YOUR DAY RIGHT BEFORE I ASK FOR A FAVOR.
20:34:35 [sbp]
UH OH
20:34:51 [Morbus]
AaronSw: if you're using IMAP, can you flag a message in a thread, and have other threads be flagged?
20:35:15 [AaronSw]
i don't follow
20:35:16 [Morbus]
er, have new messages in that thread be flagged as they come in.
20:35:21 [sbp]
it's imappymorbus day on swhack & friends
20:35:33 [AaronSw]
no, that sounds like something a client would do
20:35:43 [AaronSw]
IMAP basically is just a data storage protocol
20:35:46 [Morbus]
k.
20:35:49 [Morbus]
just reading the ORA article onit.
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"variously flagging individual messages"
20:36:18 [AaronSw]
lol:
20:36:18 [AaronSw]
<Morbus> !! mozilla 1.0 was released?!
20:36:18 [AaronSw]
<Morbus> shit.
20:37:45 [AaronSw]
IMAP has made my life so happy and care-free
20:38:01 [Morbus]
there's no way i can get imap on the server.
20:38:08 [Morbus]
so i was more thinking a pop to local imap
20:38:40 [AaronSw]
yeah, i mean if you're going to do spamassasin with fetchmail, you might as well
20:38:53 [Morbus]
well, i still don't know.
20:38:57 [Morbus]
i want to hook SA up.
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and I know i have very little time to do so.
20:39:09 [Morbus]
so if I can kludge a fm/pm/sa/eudora hack, i will.
20:39:29 [Morbus]
because making an imap only on my local box (where I'm never far from) is kinda cheating the whole point of imap.
20:39:45 [AaronSw]
not really
20:40:11 [AaronSw]
well, you still get the benefits of being able to switch mail apps and not having to deal with stupid corruption bugs
20:40:21 [Morbus]
yeah, but why would I have to?
20:40:30 [Morbus]
i mean, eudora uses mbox, so it's not like there's gonna be difficulties.
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and i haven't found another app I like.
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21:16:24 [Morbus]
dammit.
21:16:31 [Morbus]
the flipping SA/Procmail/FM doc is down.
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and it's not cached anywhere.
21:16:36 [sbp]
stop dammiting
21:17:07 [AaronSw]
i told you that hours ago
21:18:10 [Morbus]
yeah, i know.
21:18:16 [Morbus]
but i was hoping it'd be back up by now ;)
21:18:20 [Morbus]
gonna try ben's way.
21:18:23 [Morbus]
how had you installed it/
21:18:25 [Morbus]
?
21:19:06 [AaronSw]
i put it on the server, remember?
21:19:12 [Morbus]
oh right.
21:19:12 [Morbus]
dammit.
21:19:15 [Morbus]
stop dammiting.
21:19:26 [AaronSw]
can eudora read from a unix mailbox?
21:26:09 [Morbus]
supposedly.
21:26:13 [Morbus]
they're the same format.
21:26:58 [AaronSw]
well, start by installing spamassassin
21:27:06 [Morbus]
welp, i'm doing it the ben trott way for now.
21:27:10 [Morbus]
http://rhumba.pair.com/ben/docs/sa.html
21:27:16 [AaronSw]
what was the difference?
21:27:32 [Morbus]
instead of installing spamassassin, you use the Mail::SpamAssassin perl modules.
21:27:44 [AaronSw]
be sure to get version 2 of razor
21:27:50 [Morbus]
can't.
21:27:53 [Morbus]
the modules only support 1.2
21:28:09 [AaronSw]
i'm pretty sure that's wrong
21:28:22 [AaronSw]
i installed version 2...
21:28:29 [Morbus]
well, i'm talking about the perl modules.
21:28:32 [Morbus]
not the spamassassin app.
21:28:38 [AaronSw]
they're the same thing
21:28:49 [AaronSw]
the spamassassin app is just a shell around the perl module, no?
21:29:06 [Morbus]
i dunno. when i sent in a patch, i only looked at a very small part of it.
21:29:15 [Morbus]
(yeah, i sent a patch for SA. whoo, i rule!)
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21:30:02 [Morbus]
so razor-agents?
21:30:30 [Morbus]
yup
21:33:50 [AaronSw]
yeah
21:34:51 [Morbus]
doesn't work.;
21:34:55 [Morbus]
doesn't see razor installe.d
21:34:56 [Morbus]
[[[
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t/razor................. Test skipped: Razor is not installed.
21:34:56 [Morbus]
t/razor.................ok
21:34:56 [Morbus]
2/2 skipped: Razor is not installed.
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]]]
21:35:10 [AaronSw]
hmph
21:35:31 [Morbus]
liar
21:35:38 [AaronSw]
that sucks, becuase razor2 is so incredibly better
21:35:53 [AaronSw]
and it means my spamassassin config isn't going thru razor
21:38:18 [Morbus]
yeah, installing razor 1.2 works
21:45:26 [Morbus]
well, it works, but doesn't deliver the mail to the right place.
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and eudora can't read it.
21:47:27 [Morbus]
waste of time. yay.
21:47:39 [AaronSw]
haha. eudora sucks
21:49:58 [AaronSw]
heh: http://rhumba.pair.com/ben/perl/docs/perldoc/Silly/Die.html
21:52:17 [Morbus]
ah!
21:52:20 [Morbus]
it was linefeeds!
21:52:26 [Morbus]
eudora requires mac line feeds.
21:52:31 [Morbus]
after a simple bbedit switch, its perfect.
21:52:37 [Morbus]
now, i just gotta deliver the mail to the right place.
21:52:42 [Morbus]
whoo, it blocked one spam.
21:52:42 [Morbus]
<g.
21:57:02 [Morbus]
someone send me some mail.
21:58:32 [AaronSw]
.email morbus@disobey.com this is mail // no spam here
21:58:32 [datum]
email sucessfully sent
21:58:42 [Morbus]
ah. cool. bot
21:59:04 [AaronSw]
.email morbus@disobey.com ADV: make steel fast // with this risk free investment you'll be making good clean money in no time -- MAKE MONEY FAST!!!!!!!
21:59:04 [datum]
email sucessfully sent
21:59:33 [Morbus]
heh
21:59:35 [Morbus]
[[[
21:59:36 [Morbus]
X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=5.2 required=5.0
21:59:36 [Morbus]
tests=REPLY_TO_EMPTY,NO_REAL_NAME,INVALID_DATE,
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MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2
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version=2.31
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]]]
21:59:41 [Morbus]
that was your first
21:59:53 [AaronSw]
heh, i have my required set to 6
22:00:09 [Morbus]
i think i had decided on 5.5
22:01:19 [AaronSw]
what did the second get?
22:01:52 [Morbus]
X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=11.8 required=5.0
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tests=ADVERT_CODE,REPLY_TO_EMPTY,NO_REAL_NAME,INVALID_DATE,
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RISK_FREE,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2
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version=2.31
22:02:14 [AaronSw]
11! that's something
22:02:23 [Morbus]
i'veseen 20+
22:02:34 [AaronSw]
.email me@aaronsw.com ADV: make steel fast // with this risk free investment you'll be making good clean money in no time -- MAKE MONEY FAST!!!!!!!
22:02:35 [datum]
email sucessfully sent
22:02:40 [Morbus]
mostly html stuff
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font tags, etc
22:02:59 [AaronSw]
i like my set up because the server puts the spam in my IMAP "spam" folder
22:03:22 [Morbus]
yeah, i'll be doing that on my end oo.
22:03:29 [Morbus]
this should work well.
22:03:40 [Morbus]
i just wish fucking eudora would stop asking me about table ocntent creation
22:04:28 [AaronSw]
heh
22:04:54 [Morbus]
what are mac linefeeds again?
22:04:56 [Morbus]
\n\r?
22:05:03 [AaronSw]
just \r
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\r
22:05:29 [Morbus]
thanks
22:05:54 [AaronSw]
weird. my creative commons email keeps getting filed as spam
22:06:45 [Morbus]
.email morbus@disobey booga
22:06:58 [AaronSw]
.email morbus@disobey.COM booga
22:06:58 [datum]
email sucessfully sent
22:06:58 [Morbus]
argh.
22:07:05 [Morbus]
bwahaha.
22:07:07 [sbp]
heh
22:07:07 [Morbus]
i'm dumb
22:10:31 [Morbus]
.email morbus@disobey.com booga
22:10:41 [AaronSw]
.email morbus@disobey.COM booga
22:10:41 [datum]
email sucessfully sent
22:10:48 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds morbus to the auth list
22:11:11 [Morbus]
argh, this is annoying.
22:12:24 [Morbus]
does datum listen to privs?
22:12:28 [Morbus]
.email morbus@disobey.com booga
22:12:36 [AaronSw]
.email morbus@disobey.com booga
22:12:37 [datum]
email sucessfully sent
22:12:38 [Morbus]
i just suck, apparently <g>
22:12:41 [AaronSw]
yeah, he listens to privs
22:12:43 [AaronSw]
you
22:12:55 [AaronSw]
you're not on the cool people list yet. i need to reboot him
22:14:23 [Morbus]
man, this is kludgely
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if i convert to mac through BBEdit, it works fine. if i convert via perl -pi -e 's/\r/\n/g' it fails.
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sih
22:20:18 [AaronSw]
maybe because that regexp is bacckwards
22:20:25 [AaronSw]
you want to go from \n to \r
22:20:43 [sbp]
unless you have \n\r
22:20:51 [sbp]
in which case you want to go from "\n" to ""
22:20:58 [Morbus]
er, well, i screwed up in the transcript.
22:21:01 [Morbus]
its right on the command
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oh jesus/
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its creator/type
22:21:24 [AaronSw]
ah
22:21:25 [Morbus]
perl saves to none, and eudora wants em.
22:21:34 [Morbus]
there's a command line to change them. do you remember it?
22:22:04 [AaronSw]
no...
22:22:31 [AaronSw]
Rez?
22:22:44 [AaronSw]
yeah, /Developer/Tools/Rez
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s/Rez/SetFile/
22:23:06 [quasi]
sbp: \r\n is the windoze way
22:23:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes to lie down some more
22:26:45 [Morbus]
AaronSw: doesn't work. that's only for resource forked files.
22:26:55 [Morbus]
File "test"; Line 1; ### /Developer/Tools/Rez - Expected 'DATA', ?NUM? ?NCLUDE? ?EAD? ?ESOURCE? or ?YPE? but got identifier (From)
22:27:15 [AaronSw]
i said: s/Rez/SetFile/
22:27:23 [Morbus]
oh. missed that.
22:27:35 [Morbus]
well, Rez works for files with resource forks ;)
22:29:17 [Morbus]
.email morbus@disobey.com evil
22:29:45 [Morbus]
* Morbus grumbles
22:30:56 [Morbus]
whoo hoo!
22:30:57 [Morbus]
./popread && perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r/g' "../Documents/Eudora Folder/Mail Folder/test" && /Developer/Tools/SetFile -c CSOm -t TEXT "../Documents/Eudora Folder/Mail Folder/test"
22:50:49 [thelsdj]
this is a very weird email i got --> http://ipwebdev.com/hmmmm
22:51:08 [Morbus]
heh:
22:51:09 [Morbus]
[[[
22:51:09 [Morbus]
Subject: *****SPAM***** XML.com Update: XML Schema Clinic
22:51:09 [Morbus]
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:25:41 -0700
22:51:09 [Morbus]
X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=6.2 required=5.0
22:51:10 [Morbus]
tests=REPLY_TO_EMPTY,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,SEE_FOR_YOURSELF,
22:51:11 [Morbus]
DEAR_SOMEBODY,EXCUSE_14
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version=2.31
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]]]
22:51:41 [Morbus]
i've seen this, yes.
22:52:21 [sbp]
quasi: oops, right
22:52:43 [thelsdj]
the funny thing i think is that google is like the only major search engine not listed as working to find them
22:54:08 [Morbus]
well, you can't link to an email
22:54:14 [Morbus]
wait, nevermind. t
22:54:16 [Morbus]
hat was dumb
22:55:29 [thelsdj]
http://50.lycos.com/062102.asp (near the bottom)
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email was sent from 64-132-223-130.gen.twtelecom.net
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23:32:20 [thelsdj]
original email http://www.amphiskios.net/archives/R_and_J.txt which after doing a 20 step algorithm gives you four24.freeservers.com which is now down but a comment from someone who got there before it went down: " Well, the contents here were so arrogant and snooty, it would hardly be worth the effort to try to communicate. They seem like they would make good fanatics if they had a better ideology. At least they are dedicated to their beleifs,
23:32:23 [thelsdj]
which is more than I can say for most people. Oh well. I'll write them one day if I feel particularly bored or argumentative. :)"
23:45:30 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
23:46:50 [AaronSw]
Thought: we should have a [on] for when people say something particularly intersting
23:48:16 [Acapnotic]
isn't that what chump is for?
23:48:34 [sbp]
@ http://sourceforge.net/projects/numpy
23:48:39 [chumpy]
C: SourceForge.net: Project Info - Numerical Python from sbp
23:48:42 [sbp]
that's funny, I was thinking of the same thing
23:48:48 [sbp]
but you'd have to get the bots to do it too
23:48:55 [sbp]
well, just datum, really
23:49:09 [sbp]
then we could pretty much fold #sbp and #disobey into here
23:49:26 [sbp]
OTOH, it'd suck ass
23:49:49 [sbp]
C:|Numpy. "Numerical Python"
23:49:53 [chumpy]
titled item C
23:49:53 [MorbusIff]
i shall not fold with that dictator!
23:50:12 [AaronSw]
get the bots to do what?
23:50:20 [sbp]
.time
23:50:20 [datum]
Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:50:22 GMT
23:50:28 [sbp]
<datum> [on] Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:50:22 GMT
23:50:47 [AaronSw]
why? since when is the current time particularly interesting?
23:50:56 [sbp]
well, I was thinking more of .google
23:51:58 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I think what bothers me about IRC is I'm such a perfectionist, and I don't want boring talk
23:52:07 [AaronSw]
so having a filter or moderation would be cool
23:52:17 [MorbusIff]
boring talk to you, yes.
23:52:27 [AaronSw]
right
23:52:35 [AaronSw]
and everyone has a different definition of what bores them
23:52:37 [AaronSw]
so it gets tricky
23:53:18 [AaronSw]
and then i have people like morbus who feel its there constitutional right to insert fart jokes into every conversation
23:53:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw ducks
23:53:22 [MorbusIff]
can we ever hope to honor the king?
23:53:31 [MorbusIff]
yeaaaaah.
23:53:46 [MorbusIff]
aaron's ducking cos he likes the smell of my farts.
23:53:53 [MorbusIff]
w00t, w00t, and all.
23:53:59 [MorbusIff]
<g>
23:54:14 [sbp]
I try to look at it from the point of anyone browsing the logs in the future
23:54:24 [sbp]
if it's going to be useful or funny at all, then why not keep it?
23:54:43 [MorbusIff]
my fart jokes will be like a futuristic shakespearian insult generator
23:54:49 [AaronSw]
right. i don't want to have them wade thru junk i already waded thru
23:55:13 [MorbusIff]
so, you should just approve the logs to your standards.
23:55:13 [MorbusIff]
make it color coded.
23:55:30 [MorbusIff]
white = crap aaron likes. black = crap morbus likes
23:55:51 [AaronSw]
on a black background
23:56:17 [MorbusIff]
nah, that's just plain dumb.
23:56:18 [sbp]
we could come up with our own little CC/PP profiles, and... well
23:56:24 [MorbusIff]
its harder to read on a black background
23:56:37 [sbp]
so then highlight it
23:56:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sets up webcam for THe Big Meeting
23:56:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw attempts to position camera so as not to be embarassing
23:57:25 [sbp]
I can hear them now: "AssCam"
23:58:15 [sbp]
which is an anagram of "as Macs"