IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-26

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00:14:07 [sbp]
A:|America, WAKE-UP! "Quadrant Sign Code"--EXPOSED!
00:14:09 [sbp]
@ http://www.capnasty.org/issues/7/10/1207
00:14:09 [chumpy]
titled item A
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B: http://www.capnasty.org/issues/7/10/1207 from sbp
00:14:29 [sbp]
B:|The Thunderthief: Take the bull by the horns, darling, what do you say?
00:14:37 [chumpy]
titled item B
00:14:48 [sbp]
* sbp needs his own Weblog again. oh well
00:17:48 [sbp]
B::Normally, it's difficult to make "it rocks" stretch out for eight paragraphs... The Thunderthief is certainly an album worth buying, though, especially if you're a musician yourself: there are such an enourmous range of influences expressed on the album it's incredible. Anyway, judge from the review.
00:17:50 [chumpy]
commented item B
00:18:43 [sbp]
"B::Buy it! Buy it now!"
00:22:42 [AaronSw]
gu
00:22:51 [AaronSw]
er, hi
00:23:15 [sbp]
hey there
00:23:58 [thelsdj]
gruuu...,,.,.
00:24:17 [AaronSw]
wow, you wrote a review for capnasty?
00:24:26 [sbp]
* sbp did indeed
00:24:26 [AaronSw]
I knew that IRC server was nothing but bad for you.
00:24:30 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:25:06 [AaronSw]
Sean B. Palmer: now cooler, swhackier; more chic, proactive, and phenomic.
00:25:17 [sbp]
yeah, well, I had to work "phenomic" in there somehow :-)
00:25:36 [AaronSw]
It's a bit odd seeing your review next to "How to Drive Home Drunk"
00:25:43 [sbp]
and "swhack", even in it's comparative adjective form...
00:25:47 [sbp]
heh, yeah
00:26:06 [sbp]
they're an eclectic lot
00:26:20 [sbp]
s/it's/its/
00:26:26 [AaronSw]
and before: "PERFECTLY MARKETABLE MATERIAL! Heh heh. I mean, how many times have YOU wanted to express those sentiments with someone else's words, by mail, with someone else's artwork...?"
00:26:37 [wmf]
[off] Joshua Allen is back
00:26:40 [AaronSw]
sentiments like:
00:26:40 [AaronSw]
"Crumbs beginning to mold...
00:26:40 [AaronSw]
fingertip twitches on the remote...
00:26:40 [AaronSw]
I begin to drool...
00:26:40 [AaronSw]
and somehow
00:26:41 [AaronSw]
I'm reminded of you..."
00:27:04 [AaronSw]
[off] where?
00:27:23 [wmf]
[off] his blog
00:27:35 [AaronSw]
[off] whoa -- that blog needs some line height
00:30:11 [AaronSw]
@ http://www2.iro.umontreal.ca/~pinard/traiter.cgi/wdiff
00:30:22 [chumpy]
C: Welcome to the %(long_package_name)s site from AaronSw
00:30:31 [AaronSw]
C:|GNU wdiff
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titled item C
00:32:30 [AaronSw]
[off] IBM VP stymied by Radio UserLand
00:38:44 [wmf]
I'm hungry
00:38:53 [sbp]
eat
00:38:53 [wmf]
what should I eat? let's put it to a vote
00:38:59 [sbp]
ooh
00:39:07 [sbp]
1) last night's pizza
00:39:18 [wmf]
there is no last night's pizza
00:39:26 [sbp]
s/pizza/leftovers/
00:39:34 [wmf]
none of that either
00:39:35 [AaronSw]
wmf... leftovers... heh
00:39:38 [sbp]
2) his keys (then you'll not lose them)
00:39:51 [wmf]
no nutritional value there
00:39:54 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: What should Wes Felter eat?
00:39:58 [sbp]
coat them in chocolate
00:40:16 [AaronSw]
further decreasing nutritional value...
00:40:26 [wmf]
I disagree
00:40:45 [sbp]
yeah. you have to mush some vitamin pills into it, or it's just not chocolate
00:40:46 [wmf]
chocolate has more nutritional value than plastic and metal
00:41:10 [sbp]
dunno. some metals are rich in iron, others in magnesium
00:41:43 [wmf]
yes, I've heard iron is rich in iron
00:42:08 [sbp]
and possibly steel, which is comprised mainly of iron, plus some other crap
00:42:36 [wmf]
come on! you call yourselves swhackers?
00:42:46 [sbp]
yeah. sorry. we suck ass
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00:43:25 [sbp]
eat a bagel, or some fish, or poulty, or a pizza, or some kind of cuttlefish. yum yum: cuttlefish
00:43:51 [AaronSw]
give us some choices, man.
00:43:58 [AaronSw]
a vote's no fun without multiple choice
00:44:23 [sbp]
or when they're rigged
00:44:37 [wmf]
that's my problem; everything that I can think of just doesn't interest me
00:44:51 [AaronSw]
How about your foot?
00:45:13 [wmf]
(monty python impression) I'm kinda using it right now
00:45:14 [AaronSw]
can't you get your supercomputer cluster to simulate some food or soemthign?
00:45:21 [sbp]
what's so interesting about his foot? has it had an article published about it in the NYT?
00:46:29 [sbp]
I've heard that raw fish is considered quite a delicacy in some parts. why don't you get a hamburger?
00:47:00 [sbp]
go Hawaiian and eat some poi with something. or just by itself
00:47:02 [thelsdj]
aaaah sotp talking about food!
00:47:06 [sbp]
chalky
00:47:09 [sbp]
make us
00:47:15 [thelsdj]
theres like 0 food in my house ;\
00:47:18 [thelsdj]
i'm starvin
00:47:26 [sbp]
actually, I'm pretty hungry too now. damnit, wmf
00:47:29 [wmf]
hmm, there's Korea House but it's a bit far
00:47:40 [wmf]
mwahahaa! you will all suffer along with me!
00:49:13 [sbp]
perhaps you should go to your fridge/cupboard, and eat the first thing that you see (tip: don't look at the lightbulb/handle)
00:49:48 [wmf]
ok, I think I'll get a sandwich
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00:50:19 [sbp]
so, whilst Pretzel Boy goes to get a sandwich...
00:53:48 [thelsdj]
i'm gonna fry up some eggs, sausage, pepperjack cheese and taco sauce
00:57:50 [sbp]
Gotta run
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01:02:15 [bip0lar]
hi all, finally got my linux to work
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last scriptingNews update: 5:55:55 PM
01:25:03 [thelsdj]
hmmm
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01:54:30 [wmf]
swhack?
01:54:34 [AaronSw]
wmf?
01:54:41 [wmf]
howdy
01:54:55 [AaronSw]
how was dinner?
01:55:07 [wmf]
I am not starving
01:55:27 [AaronSw]
can you think of any documents that deserve a global mirror network?
01:55:44 [wmf]
besides HTP?
01:55:47 [wmf]
:-)
01:55:53 [AaronSw]
um.... yeah
01:56:16 [wmf]
how about this image of Alan Cox with a ridiculously small computer?
01:56:18 [wmf]
http://images.dibona.com/pictures/showpic/index.shtml?Kernel02/convs/6x4_dscn3999.jpg
01:56:31 [AaronSw]
heh!
01:56:47 [AaronSw]
danbri had a libretto that was about that size
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02:03:36 [Morbus]
[off] i just got a cease and desist from moreover concerning something about amphetadesk.
02:03:38 [Morbus]
[off] ummm. huh?
02:03:50 [AaronSw]
[off] concerning what?
02:04:20 [Morbus]
[off] i really don't know.
02:04:36 [AaronSw]
interesting. Mark "schlub" Fraunfelder wrote this semweb article http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/frauenfelder1101.asp
02:04:38 [Morbus]
[off] they just said I am, and i needed to contact them.
02:04:53 [Morbus]
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106900
02:05:30 [AaronSw]
[off] <Morever> I want some contact, contact! ...
02:05:57 [Morbus]
[off] i mean, i use their logo on the finding_more.html page.
02:06:05 [Morbus]
[off] maybe that's in breach, but they specifically said "Services"
02:06:09 [wmf]
AaronSw: you been listening to Citizen Cope or am I projecting?
02:06:20 [Morbus]
[off] and the only way i can think of is that Syndic8.com is listing their feeds, and thus, it spiders down to me.
02:06:20 [AaronSw]
I've been listening to Citizen Cope.
02:06:32 [Morbus]
[off] or else, a user has used the "Search" feature of their site, and added it to AmphetaDesk.
02:06:53 [thelsdj]
[off] they probably have a patent on rss files lol
02:07:14 [Morbus]
[off] heh, heh. or their proprietary search URL parameters
02:08:09 [wmf]
* wmf puts on some Citizen Cope
02:08:38 [thelsdj]
what kind of music is citizen cope?
02:08:40 [Morbus]
argh. it won't let me repair my drive.
02:08:40 [Morbus]
stupid thing.
02:08:53 [wmf]
blues?
02:09:01 [wmf]
* wmf doesn't have a good sense of genres
02:09:14 [AaronSw]
i don't think they're blues
02:09:33 [thelsdj]
one of my failings is wanting to categorize all music into genres :\
02:09:43 [Morbus]
i never use id3 genres/
02:09:43 [wmf]
blues-inspired generic rock & roll?
02:10:08 [wmf]
heh. thelsdj should get together with ruaok
02:10:11 [AaronSw]
"The album combines an ever-so-slight bit of island flavor, R&B, hip-hop, smoky-club lounge, and blues."
02:10:12 [thelsdj]
it comes from having 35 gigs of mp3s that are all over the board in different types of music
02:11:58 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj starts reading The Tao of Physics
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02:15:00 [AaronSw]
Woo! Carl said yes!
02:15:51 [wmf]
aren't you a little young for that?
02:16:32 [AaronSw]
.time +3
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02:20:25 [wmf]
AaronSw: Malamud?
02:20:31 [AaronSw]
yes.
02:20:37 [wmf]
what about?
02:21:01 [AaronSw]
I want to build a global mirror system at web.resource.org
02:23:40 [AaronSw]
hosting namespaces and stuff, maybe also rfcs and media type info
02:23:50 [AaronSw]
i'm trying to thinnk of content that deserves a permanent home on the web
02:26:27 [bip0lar]
is news articles from small independent publishers who might go out of business in your realm of interest?
02:26:46 [AaronSw]
actually, yeah
02:27:54 [bip0lar]
when you have your server setup, maybe you just advertise somehow so publishers just contact you to preserve their historical journalism
02:36:03 [AaronSw]
@ http://builder.com.com/article.jhtml?id=u00420020617DGS01.htm
02:36:15 [chumpy]
D: Space shuttle engineers use Python to streamline mission design from AaronSw
02:54:07 [AaronSw]
oh.. duh! Project Gutenberg
02:54:30 [wmf]
does Project Gutenberg need more mirrors?
02:54:39 [AaronSw]
it needs a better interface...
02:56:26 [AaronSw]
but yeah, you have a point
02:57:00 [wmf]
if anything needs mirrors, it's *.sf.net
02:57:15 [AaronSw]
why's that?
02:57:19 [wmf]
it seems really slow lately
03:01:02 [AaronSw]
heh, so much for permanence. looks like carl's servers just keeled over
03:01:18 [wmf]
serving up that huge proposal
03:02:55 [AaronSw]
yeah, charging $30,000 to read it doesn't seem quite as unreasonable as before
03:03:07 [wmf]
what?
03:03:16 [wmf]
oh, I get it
03:03:24 [AaronSw]
ICANN has a fee of $30,000 per proposal submitted
03:03:27 [wmf]
yeah
03:03:37 [wmf]
I actually found it quite interesting
03:04:10 [wmf]
since ICANN appears to be all lawyers and politicians, they ought to enjoy it :-)
03:04:14 [AaronSw]
i had some trouble following the mix of icann-speak and informal carl stuff
03:04:26 [AaronSw]
i liked the network diagram
03:04:38 [AaronSw]
"we have like 4000 redudancy everywhere"
03:05:31 [wmf]
yeah
03:05:43 [wmf]
and they're STILL lowering prices! take that, VeriSign!
03:06:14 [AaronSw]
It'd be cool if .org went back to being free to register.
03:06:27 [AaronSw]
I'm not sure why they're worried about speculation.
03:06:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw downloads all the RFCs...
03:07:08 [wmf]
somebody has to pay for all those sweet DS20Ls
03:07:58 [AaronSw]
i was seriously tempted to suggest they use djbdns
03:08:05 [AaronSw]
that'd show vixie
03:08:49 [AaronSw]
I wonder if we could convince ibiblio to host AudioGalaxy.
03:09:02 [AaronSw]
That would rock.
03:09:12 [AaronSw]
ibiblio, of course, is immune to copyright law.
03:17:21 [AaronSw]
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05:18:55 [AaronSw]
I need a cute web designer like webchick, then I can be really productive.
05:19:46 [Ash-w]
HEY AARONSW
05:19:50 [Ash-w]
IT'S THE BRAK SHOW
05:19:55 [AaronSw]
brak?
05:20:33 [AaronSw]
heh! webchick is a registered trademark.
05:20:57 [Ash-w]
helakrhjlekarliweij
05:21:01 [Ash-w]
well my new UPSes KICK ASS
05:21:02 [Ash-w]
woo hoo!
05:21:04 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w dances
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: IT'S THE ASH SHOW!
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* sbp waves
06:21:01 [AaronSw]
howdy
06:21:03 [AaronSw]
you're up early/late
06:21:24 [sbp]
early
06:21:30 [sbp]
[groan]
06:21:37 [AaronSw]
ah, right.
06:21:58 [sbp]
the sun is shining on the wrong side of buildings!
06:22:01 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sends sbp a draft website
06:25:09 [sbp]
right. how did you spin that?
06:25:19 [AaronSw]
spin what?
06:25:22 [sbp]
well, perhaps I'm just delerious, but it seems like a good idea
06:25:31 [sbp]
um... how much can I discuss in here?
06:25:32 [AaronSw]
woohoo!
06:25:37 [AaronSw]
whatever you want
06:26:05 [sbp]
ah, good. spin: I mean, media.org?
06:26:26 [sbp]
[off] heh, I'm *so* tired I barely know what I'm talking about. I love days like these
06:26:43 [sbp]
it sounds rather webns-ish
06:26:52 [AaronSw]
yes
06:27:08 [sbp]
but better because of the distribution. the only problem will be if the site is mega-popular
06:27:19 [sbp]
getting lots of people to mirror the data is a really nice idea
06:27:19 [AaronSw]
yeah, i was so surprised. i emailed carl malamud (of media.org, ims, etc.) and he was like "oh yeah, becky and i love you too!"
06:27:35 [sbp]
Hmm... the name rings a bell
06:28:11 [AaronSw]
he was a featured super hero on my aaronsw weblog
06:28:18 [sbp]
and yet I don't have a single email from him...
06:28:23 [sbp]
aah, that'll be it, then
06:32:35 [AaronSw]
i realized several hours after i sent him that he was in bucharest, so i'm really surprised he replioed
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.time +3
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poor datum
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Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:33:40 +3
06:32:35 [AaronSw]
ah, so it's not just me
06:32:36 [sbp]
anyway, I'll try to deliver some new, fresh, updated, and improved thoughts later on
06:32:44 [sbp]
for now, I'm off
06:32:46 [sbp]
c'ya
06:32:50 [AaronSw]
thanks
06:32:54 [AaronSw]
ttyl
06:33:56 [AaronSw]
ooh, ICANN meeting
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hi
06:48:17 [AaronSw]
wow, how did we get into this ICANN mess
06:49:32 [Mali[x]_]
me?
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06:55:46 [AaronSw]
Interesting: http://www.root-servers.org/
06:57:15 [Mali[x]_]
mgrt ?
06:57:37 [AaronSw]
So we need to take those people over to fix ICANN.
06:57:59 [AaronSw]
well, UMD and ISC are pretty easy.
07:02:23 [Mali[x]_]
bye
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07:30:56 [AaronSw]
wow, shazzam sounds awesome
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07:51:32 [bip0lar__]
Hello Aaron, hello Ben
07:52:11 [bip0lar__]
you two are busy coding away, eh?
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09:17:04 [sbp]
I think they're probably asleep
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09:27:01 [bip0lar__]
that could be so
09:27:06 [bip0lar__]
Hello, this is Kham
10:12:48 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Apologies for interrupting your work. Currently #openprojects is +m. It's sad that on a network that's here to be a friendly forum for projects, a vocal minority can so control the main administrative channel. Please don't let those people be the only people expressing their viewpoints. Thanks.
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hehehe
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<g>
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13:48:53 [AaronSw]
Hello.
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14:02:20 [AaronSw]
ooh, vint cerf is leading the proposals
14:15:02 [AaronSw]
"some people think Verisign is the brother of satan... part of the axis of evil"
14:15:36 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
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14:22:27 [AaronSw]
Heh, there's a DotOrg Foundation and a .Org Foundation
14:27:21 [AaronSw]
heh: "next is the period-org foundation"
14:28:39 [AaronSw]
wow, this group has Microsoft on their board... the other satan
14:29:15 [AaronSw]
heh, he says so
14:30:08 [AaronSw]
ugh, he was the ceo of homegrocer
14:41:42 [AaronSw]
ISOC uses PBG4
14:44:17 [AaronSw]
vint: "it's not fair that you should be screwed by an unscrewed screw"
14:44:33 [AaronSw]
(they're having problems with their laptop's vga connection)
14:47:24 [AaronSw]
the last people were clueless "there's no technical difference between a registrar and a registry"
14:47:36 [AaronSw]
ISOC is contracting with afilias... does anyone plan to actually do this?
14:47:49 [Seth]
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* Seth waves at sbp
14:55:49 [AaronSw]
woohoo! malamud!
14:56:27 [AaronSw]
he uses a TiBook - yes!
14:57:23 [AaronSw]
vint: "another one of my faovirte mottos: power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely"
14:57:59 [AaronSw]
hm, 2 yrs old... maybe not a tibook
14:58:31 [AaronSw]
@ http://trusted.resource.org/presentation/
14:58:52 [chumpy]
E: http://trusted.resource.org/presentation/ from AaronSw
14:59:06 [AaronSw]
E:|IMS/ISC ICANN Briefing
14:59:08 [chumpy]
titled item E
15:00:25 [AaronSw]
BSD licenses
15:00:43 [AaronSw]
E::BSD licenses for registrar and registry software
15:00:44 [chumpy]
commented item E
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15:05:12 [AaronSw]
E::heh, the [anti-mcluhanites|http://www.media.org/] use [the term global village|http://trusted.resource.org/presentation/presentation-6.html].
15:05:16 [chumpy]
commented item E
15:08:55 [sbp]
* sbp waves
15:09:03 [AaronSw]
E::"Literally put our computers in the back of a station wagon, drove down to the SEC and configured their T1 line."
15:09:05 [chumpy]
commented item E
15:09:27 [sbp]
full-stop-org!
15:12:03 [Seth]
hi sean
15:12:20 [AaronSw]
heh! http://not.invisible.net/participate/individuals/raffles/fathers.html
15:13:07 [sbp]
heh, neat
15:13:16 [sbp]
and I seem to recognize those names at the bottom...
15:23:42 [AaronSw]
ahem. *cough*
15:26:21 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?savelilo&1
15:27:27 [sbp]
heh! the signatories are quite funny
15:27:27 [AaronSw]
ash is clearly number 11
15:27:37 [AaronSw]
i'm glad he supports lilo
15:28:02 [sbp]
heh, heh
15:29:03 [sbp]
Hmm... "17. lilo-should-get-a-job irc_isnt_a_fulltime_job_or_even_parttime #lilo_stop_panhandling_you_tosser 9,000,000 "
15:29:24 [sbp]
bwahahaha!
15:29:51 [sbp]
poor lilo
15:30:45 [AaronSw]
heh: pandacop@prisoner.in.jai1.net
15:31:16 [sbp]
ah, I think it might be rejecting the channel name length
15:32:19 [sbp]
Hmm... 10 people signed it for real, vs. 16 that, well, didn't
15:32:46 [sbp]
which is kinda silly since they're still bumping the numbers up :-)
15:34:06 [AaronSw]
yeah
15:36:55 [sbp]
heh, => #openprojects
15:37:05 [AaronSw]
vint: "it's enormously tempting to imagine there might be another org called BAIT and that they'd join up with SWITCH"
15:37:09 [AaronSw]
lol:
15:37:09 [AaronSw]
<lilo> wow, I just figured something out
15:37:09 [AaronSw]
<lilo> the trolls have been filling up that petition
15:45:44 [sbp]
wassa GN?
15:45:58 [AaronSw]
GlobalNotice, i guess
15:46:09 [AaronSw]
SWITCH: "we're using industry standard TCP as our protocol"
15:46:17 [sbp]
ah, right
15:47:12 [Ash-w]
ROTFL
15:47:37 [sbp]
s/ROTFL/BWAHAHA!@ ROFFLE/
15:47:41 [sbp]
please
15:47:43 [Ash-w]
heh heh
15:47:50 [Ash-w]
sbp: How are you enduring your anarchy today?
15:48:02 [AaronSw]
Ash-w, sbp left #infoanarchy a while ago
15:48:13 [sbp]
heh, heh. I was just about to say something rather similar
15:48:29 [AaronSw]
but it probably had more rude words
15:48:39 [sbp]
a plethora
15:48:57 [Ash-w]
AaronSw: I wasn't implying that he's in #infoanarchy
15:49:03 [Ash-w]
I just thought sbp was an anarchy kinda-guy.
15:49:15 [sbp]
I am a little bit anarchic, aren't I?
15:49:22 [sbp]
I was hoping that no one would notice
15:49:24 [AaronSw]
like a chicken
15:49:36 [sbp]
chicken anarchy rocks
15:49:54 [AaronSw]
of course while chickens merely run around, you actually chat on irc
15:50:03 [sbp]
far less productive
15:50:04 [AaronSw]
which is surprising, because i'm not sure how you'd be able to see the screen
15:50:46 [sbp]
if you were a chicken, you'd have like a little step-ladder or something
15:50:59 [sbp]
or your own little chicken-lift if you were a particularly rich chicken
15:50:59 [AaronSw]
"we bring new blood to the registry busines... esp since we're very near to the transylvania mountains"
15:51:08 [sbp]
muahahaha!
15:51:34 [AaronSw]
well, i mean a step ladder is going to help an anarchich chicken see the screen
15:51:51 [sbp]
right
15:53:03 [Ash-w]
lol
15:53:12 [Ash-w]
Man, lilo is such a wanker
15:53:21 [Ash-w]
It astounds me that people don't realize they're wankers
15:54:15 [sbp]
so you're saying that all OPN patrons are wankers?
15:54:24 [sbp]
* sbp is a great interviewer
15:54:39 [AaronSw]
sbp should be asking questions about these dot-org proposals
15:54:57 [Ash-w]
sbp: Yes, I'm saying that all OPN patrons are wankers.
15:54:58 [Ash-w]
Except me.
15:55:02 [AaronSw]
i'm really tempted to say, "So you basically have no idea what your talking about and zero technical experience?"
15:55:27 [Ash-w]
AaronSw: Hey, that's a perfect bio of lilo
15:55:49 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: IT'S THE MAKE FUN OF ASH SHOW!
15:55:55 [Ash-w]
LOL
15:57:01 [AaronSw]
hm:
15:57:02 [AaronSw]
32.firewall_port_6667_because_i'm_a_junkiemy_own_child_isn't_enough_to_make_me_stop_ircing#because_obviously_by_the_size_of_the_fund_everyone_careswebsite_polls_aren't_adequate_means_of_deciding_on_how_to_spend_fund_money
15:57:02 [AaronSw]
31.my_wife_should_divorce_mebecause_i_can't_even_buy_baby_formula#because_I_think_chat_is_more_importantbecause-obviously-i've-got-a-differentiated-product-in-the-market
15:57:02 [AaronSw]
30.lilo_needs_to_not_wallopmy-fund-is-my-40hrs-a-week-at-a-real-job#my-car-hasn't-been-reposessedmy-wife-shouldn't-dump-me-for-being-a-bad-provider
15:57:32 [Ash-w]
lol
15:57:37 [Ash-w]
That's too funny.
15:58:05 [Ash-w]
<lilo> okay folks, not sure this is a direct link, but try it.... http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?savelilo&1
15:58:05 [Ash-w]
<lilo> thanks to everyone who has commented so far, but I think the character of the people who are trolling is illustrated pretty clearly by this
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16:01:14 [sbp]
pff, kick me off then
16:01:20 [sbp]
attempt #3
16:01:22 [sbp]
<sbp> <AaronSw> i'm really tempted to say, "So you basically have no idea what your talking about and zero technical experience?"
16:01:24 [AaronSw]
hm?
16:01:25 [sbp]
<sbp> <sbp> s/your/you're/
16:01:27 [sbp]
<sbp> <sbp> otherwise I'd be tempted to say "bwahahahaha!" to that
16:01:39 [sbp]
hm: dp just kicked me off again
16:02:01 [sbp]
first time I got cut off by the ISP
16:02:04 [AaronSw]
didn't you hear? we got rid of you're a while ago
16:02:12 [sbp]
then I came back and pasted it again, and dp went
16:02:26 [sbp]
<sbp> Grpgmrpmgrpmgmgh
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you'r' would be better
16:03:34 [sbp]
why does dp keep foddling? any explaination?
16:04:01 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's quite strange.
16:12:04 [AaronSw]
when i was at the ortho SHB was on the radio
16:14:12 [sbp]
cool
16:16:28 [AaronSw]
wow, these guys hired the red cross to do their technical transition
16:17:17 [AaronSw]
and now they have a video about their inclusive community capital vision for the repositioned .org space
16:17:37 [AaronSw]
this video is hilarious
16:21:03 [AaronSw]
"100% uptime"
16:21:16 [AaronSw]
"everything is written in C-plus"
16:22:47 [AaronSw]
sure they have no downtime, but do you know anyone with registered domains?
16:24:06 [sbp]
perhaps you could get PURL in on the permanent resource thing
16:24:26 [AaronSw]
yeah, i'm not sure who to talk to at PURL
16:24:33 [sbp]
it'd have greater whack with libraries and other institutions behind it
16:24:44 [sbp]
Hmm... good question
16:25:22 [sbp]
Keith Shafer is the project manager
16:25:34 [sbp]
and of course there's always em
16:26:11 [sbp]
would you have reviewers for the content?
16:27:05 [AaronSw]
it'd be me initially
16:27:27 [sbp]
i.e. anything will get through :-)
16:27:51 [AaronSw]
nothing illegal or offensive
16:27:55 [sbp]
ah, true
16:28:30 [sbp]
I think it'd be a popular service, so you're going to have to scale up
16:28:47 [sbp]
basically you're offering free hosting with excellent mirroring, are you not?
16:28:50 [AaronSw]
heh
16:28:59 [AaronSw]
when you put it that way...
16:29:13 [AaronSw]
heh:-
16:29:13 [AaronSw]
<andy> is this channel still +m?
16:29:13 [AaronSw]
<andy> geez... i'm bored now... my single source of entertainment is gone
16:29:13 [AaronSw]
<so14k> yeah
16:29:13 [AaronSw]
<andy> lilo, you're forcing me to reorder cable television
16:29:14 [AaronSw]
<andy> how could you do this to me?
16:29:23 [sbp]
heh, heh
16:29:53 [sbp]
heh! on rss-dev
16:29:54 [sbp]
[[[
16:29:55 [sbp]
Anyone know how to upload an HTML file to the proposed modules folder
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without yahoo playing silly script-kiddie tricks on it?
16:29:56 [sbp]
]]]
16:30:01 [sbp]
- Jon Hanna
16:30:32 [AaronSw]
REMOV TEH VIRUSWSS RFROM THE HTML< JON!!
16:30:48 [sbp]
:-)
16:32:39 [sbp]
resource.media.org will be like some kind of Web paradise to me. no more abuse of www-archive, swhack logs, and PURL => data: hacks!
16:32:54 [AaronSw]
it's web.resource.org
16:33:01 [sbp]
oh, right. heh, heh; sorry
16:33:15 [sbp]
* sbp smacks himself quite hard
16:33:22 [AaronSw]
i was thinking of doing some types.media.org for the media type registry, but it was all quite hacky
16:33:38 [sbp]
just mirror the whole lot under w.r.o
16:34:09 [sbp]
leecharoo iana.org w.r.o/aaronsw/iana
16:34:21 [AaronSw]
heh
16:34:24 [AaronSw]
i wonder if i can get the w3c to mirror some of it
16:35:01 [sbp]
and Alexa, perhaps?
16:35:07 [sbp]
I mean, they're going to index it anyway, but...
16:35:28 [sbp]
oh, that's another thing I should have added to the list above
16:35:32 [sbp]
that and the Google cache
16:35:37 [AaronSw]
eyah... i was originally thinking of convincing web archive to buy up domain names and hook them up to their mirror system
16:35:43 [sbp]
y'know, we already have quite a few options for preserving data :-)
16:36:01 [AaronSw]
but not at the same url -- that's the key
16:36:07 [sbp]
right
16:36:22 [sbp]
it'd be nice if you could set proper headers and stuff too
16:36:24 [AaronSw]
mnot was helping me out with dns tips last night in #rdfig
16:37:26 [sbp]
would the resources be updatable, or would you have persistent archives for each version plus a short redirect, or what?
16:37:40 [sbp]
i.e. you submit some crap, and you get some w.r.o/big-hash for it
16:37:59 [sbp]
and then you can set w.r.o/date/myname to redirect to whatever you want (redirect internally: no HTTP stuff)
16:38:17 [AaronSw]
i
16:38:25 [AaronSw]
fully updatable
16:38:46 [sbp]
but will previous versions still be stored?
16:39:01 [AaronSw]
yeah, i'm planning to store it in CVS
16:39:02 [sbp]
or will we be able to do history fudging, still?
16:39:05 [sbp]
ah, neat
16:39:23 [Ash-w]
LA LA LA LALKWEJTH8IO2W3TEH
16:39:49 [sbp]
Mmm... w.r.o
16:40:24 [Ash-w]
STP
16:40:25 [Ash-w]
er
16:40:26 [Ash-w]
SBP
16:40:34 [sbp]
heh, you really don't know what you're letting yourself in for
16:40:37 [sbp]
$ cat * | send_to_aaron_for_approval
16:40:40 [sbp]
ASH
16:40:47 [AaronSw]
heh!
16:41:06 [AaronSw]
{ ?x :from :sbp } => { ?x a :Reject } .
16:41:10 [sbp]
lol
16:41:27 [AaronSw]
^ why we need haystack email
16:41:42 [sbp]
semplesh!
16:41:50 [AaronSw]
hm, tennsi coming soon
16:42:03 [AaronSw]
btw, on semplesh, drue is writing kandemilia (chord++) code in py -- it rocks
16:42:11 [sbp]
ooh
16:42:56 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw -> tennis
16:43:26 [sbp]
c'ya
16:45:14 [AaronSw]
"we're all about competition"
16:45:36 [AaronSw]
gotta run
16:45:37 [sbp]
we're such byteslingers
16:45:42 [sbp]
c'ya 'gain
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16:47:42 [sbp]
I wonder why lilo doesn't just mute the trolls?
16:48:03 [Ash-w]
sbp: I wonder why lilo doesn't just GET THE HINT
16:48:04 [Ash-w]
myself
16:48:17 [sbp]
well, you know what I mean...
16:48:26 [Ash-w]
Yeah.
16:48:43 [sbp]
instead of putting +m on the main support channel
16:49:06 [sbp]
we should hold a big OPN poll!
16:49:06 [Ash-w]
heh
16:49:09 [Ash-w]
Yeah, totally.
16:49:13 [Ash-w]
polls are bullshit
16:51:26 [bip0lar_]
how about if you put a poll site with questionnaires and ask those interested to go to your site and fill out the poll. Then you'll know what people want
16:52:02 [sbp]
urm...
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17:31:16 [Seth]
anybody know where on the net there is a rdfs schema file written in n3 ?
17:31:25 [Seth]
or even in NTriples
17:31:58 [Seth]
actually it would be nice to have both
17:32:11 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. I have a website up at http://lilo.sargasso.net/ explaining my current situation. I'm asking for help on a personal basis to keep working as OPN head of staff and to finish setting up the nonprofit corp. Contributions have been a bit light for the past couple of days, so if you're thinking of helping, please take a look, and thanks.
17:44:19 [Morbus]
whoo.
17:44:21 [Morbus]
ampheadesk got in JOHO.
17:44:23 [Morbus]
[[[
17:44:25 [Morbus]
Morbus Iff, whose www.Amphetadesk.com I am only now
17:44:27 [Morbus]
beginning to truly appreciate. responds to our
17:44:29 [Morbus]
perpetual Ambiguous URLs mini contest:
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]]]
18:05:54 [sbp]
I didn't know you had amphetadesk.com!
18:06:39 [Morbus]
i have a number of domains. i don't like publicizing them.
18:06:50 [Morbus]
if this mention wasn't in a good place (like JOHO), i woulda complained.
18:06:55 [Morbus]
i *want* peopel to see disobey.com
18:08:09 [sbp]
you're getting to have a Swartzesque media empire over there, aren't you?
18:14:57 [Morbus]
"Getting"? what the hell are you talking about?
18:15:54 [sbp]
oh, you obviously don't know about his Fox stock, do you?
18:16:03 [sbp]
oops, I shouldn't have let that slip
18:16:28 [Morbus]
that's alright. you obviously don't know about disobey's hidden half going to LA to be a PA on a horror movie ;)
18:17:02 [sbp]
I'd like to think that you're joking, but that is no longer possible
18:17:08 [Morbus]
heh, actually, i'm not.
18:17:12 [Morbus]
he's leaving tomorrow.
18:17:22 [Morbus]
its a 12 day shoot. then he's manning a booth at a horror con in august.
18:17:40 [sbp]
there you go, then. the first rule of Morbousness wins again
18:17:47 [Morbus]
hmm?
18:18:13 [sbp]
if it's one thing i've seen in my years of announcing, bob, it's always believe the Morbus
18:18:19 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:18:26 [Morbus]
because the most far out things, are usually true :)
18:18:32 [sbp]
exactly
18:19:03 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: If it's one thing I've seen in my years of announcing, Bob, it's always believe the Morbus
18:20:12 [sbp]
one day, all your secrets will be revealed somehow
18:20:27 [sbp]
perhaps the FBI will bust a cap on yo' ass or something
18:20:33 [Morbus]
perhaps.
18:20:45 [Morbus]
i have my hands in so many pies, people will wonder how the hell its' possible.
18:20:48 [Morbus]
i wonder myself at times.
18:21:05 [Morbus]
i just, seriously, have a dream to one day buy a bag of cookies, and be "bwahaha. i designed this wrapper".
18:21:12 [sbp]
lol!
18:21:22 [sbp]
that would be so cool
18:21:22 [Morbus]
i want that sort of ubiquity.
18:21:23 [Morbus]
:)
18:21:45 [sbp]
just republish 1984
18:21:51 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:21:51 [sbp]
s/Big Brother/Morbus/
18:21:56 [Morbus]
bwahaha.
18:22:02 [sbp]
easy
18:22:03 [Morbus]
well, i don't want to be oppresive evil.
18:22:08 [Morbus]
i just want to be everywhere.
18:22:15 [sbp]
heh, admit it, you don't care really
18:22:18 [Morbus]
in some minorish way.
18:22:30 [sbp]
ubiquita minora?
18:22:34 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:23:21 [sbp]
like "wow, Armitage Shanks just got sold out to Iffperation"?
18:23:33 [Morbus]
hehehe!
18:23:37 [Morbus]
Iffdustries
18:23:41 [sbp]
ah, that's it
18:24:15 [sbp]
trouble is, that name makes you sound like you're going around at trees with the old polishing kit
18:24:49 [sbp]
i.e. a similar objection to the one levelled at "anex"
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18:24:55 [sbp]
although that was a bit more severe
18:25:09 [thelsdj]
wooo 80 day uptime on my firewall, thats my all time best, usually power outage gets me before that heh
18:26:21 [sbp]
cf. #4260
18:28:48 [sbp]
wow, you're right about that pie thing: http://www.morbus-x.de/
18:28:53 [sbp]
I didn't know you could speak German
18:29:08 [Morbus]
yeah, that's not me, of course.
18:29:16 [Morbus]
i've seen it before though :)
18:29:18 [sbp]
I suppose if Morbus Iff is Kev's alter-ego, then Morbus-x is Morbus Iff's alter ego
18:29:20 [sbp]
aw...
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18:31:33 [sbp]
subcultural research is not a pie, Morb
18:31:45 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:31:50 [Morbus]
is that from that school site?
18:32:42 [sbp]
yep
18:33:03 [sbp]
* sbp just searched for "pies of Morbus" in Google
18:33:10 [Morbus]
bwahaha.
18:45:00 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: Good morning, innovators!
18:46:43 [sbp]
I love that nut-licking post
18:47:00 [sbp]
"But my dog? Nope, my
18:47:01 [sbp]
dog is gonna lick his nuts in feverish confusion. And I don't even have a
18:47:01 [sbp]
dog, so that means an awful lot of confusion.
18:47:05 [sbp]
" - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syndication/message/2217
18:47:20 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:47:23 [Morbus]
i have that bookmarked.
18:47:32 [Morbus]
what i hate, hate, hate is that yahoo screwed my spacing.
18:47:36 [Morbus]
it *looked* nicer originally.
18:47:48 [sbp]
how was it originally?
18:47:53 [Morbus]
i remember aaron hated that post.
18:48:02 [Morbus]
well, it wasn't anything huge. just indents here adn ther.e
18:49:27 [sbp]
I think you've correctly fathomed out that people are either lazy, or stupid or--more often--both
18:49:51 [Morbus]
oh?
18:50:47 [sbp]
well, ... yeah
18:52:05 [Morbus]
oh.
18:52:13 [Morbus]
i try not to say myself. sounds too egotistical.
18:52:17 [sbp]
people are basically just a bunch of non-existant nut-lickers, as you point out, so "unzip here, please" Amphy-style installation procedures are what the masses need. I support your usability ideas
18:52:25 [Morbus]
oh look! another free car. fuckers. they keep sending the damn things to me.
18:52:45 [Morbus]
sbp: unfortuantely, people screw even that up.
18:52:46 [sbp]
ask them to send some gas next time
18:52:51 [sbp]
heh! really?
18:53:04 [Morbus]
i've gotten a few emails about the zip archiver not respecting the internal folder hiearchy.
18:53:13 [Morbus]
i've got instructions for three different archivers on how to do it.
18:53:14 [Morbus]
it's sad.
18:53:41 [Morbus]
[off] one guy was still using DOS unzip, and wondered why amphetadesk wasn't 8.3 friendly.
18:53:52 [Morbus]
[off] i told him i'd make it friendly for $50.
18:53:55 [Morbus]
[off] ;)
18:53:57 [sbp]
[off] heh!
18:54:10 [sbp]
[off] "maybe fifty bucks'll refresh my memory"
18:58:53 [Morbus]
"Bets are being taken and the odds heavily favor liposuction. But as his trend of being an asshole doesn't appear to have abated, we know what part of him wasn't removed..."
18:58:57 [Morbus]
i love winerlog.
19:00:30 [sbp]
heh: "Like how he sends what essentially fuck you or insulting messages and yet signs them "Have a nice day"."
19:00:37 [sbp]
to be quite honest, I do the same :-)
19:00:40 [Morbus]
hehehe.
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19:23:47 [AaronSw]
byteslingers?
19:24:41 [sbp]
yeah. we chuck bytes at each other
19:24:42 [Seth]
aaron, for infogami do you read rdf/xml with /swap/xml2rdf.py ??
19:24:43 [AaronSw]
ooh: Swartzesque media empire
19:25:04 [AaronSw]
was that rdf/xml question in here?
19:25:27 [Seth]
yes it was in here
19:25:55 [sbp]
Hmm... http://www.researchbuzz.com/news/2002/jun20jun2602.shtml#cooladvanced
19:27:35 [sbp]
nice: http://shorl.com/
19:27:39 [Seth]
aaron, i was just wondering if you had anything better than /swap/xml2rdf.py to read in rdf/xml in python ... huh?
19:27:49 [AaronSw]
no
19:28:06 [Seth]
k
19:29:39 [AaronSw]
another url shortener?
19:30:25 [sbp]
yep
19:30:27 [AaronSw]
ooh, it uses mers?
19:31:24 [sbp]
yep, apparently
19:31:32 [AaronSw]
have any examples?
19:31:47 [sbp]
http://shorl.com/jasobrudineje
19:32:15 [sbp]
points to the thing I just referenced above
19:32:18 [sbp]
it rather easy to use
19:32:28 [sbp]
you just put the URI in the box, and hit enter :-)
19:35:58 [AaronSw]
:-)
19:42:56 [sbp]
wow: "All text above by me is placed in the public domain." - http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/
19:43:11 [AaronSw]
Do you have a problem with that license?
19:43:39 [sbp]
wow, you blogged shorl already
19:43:43 [sbp]
* sbp pats Amphy on the butt
19:43:53 [sbp]
yeah: stop being so damn generous
19:44:30 [AaronSw]
i figured i don't write anything decent there anyway
19:44:57 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/06/26/BU160308.DTL
19:45:06 [sbp]
pff
19:45:09 [sbp]
those haiku were great
19:45:19 [sbp]
and now they're mine! mine!
19:45:53 [chumpy]
F: Archivist seeks dot-com plans / Cycle may prove instructive from AaronSw
19:46:00 [AaronSw]
i wonder if you can copywrite haikus
19:46:10 [AaronSw]
err copyright
19:46:42 [thelsdj]
i copywrited my ear wax
19:47:12 [sbp]
of course you can
19:47:21 [sbp]
well, you can't since you're the anti-thesis to the RIAA
19:47:26 [sbp]
but everyone else can
19:48:18 [sbp]
sometimes I get the feeling that you'd rather go back to school than be forced to patent something
19:48:59 [AaronSw]
Heh!
19:49:18 [deltab]
"stop being so generous": http://www.netcrucible.com/xslt/opml.html
19:49:18 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Good morning, innovators (but not patenters)! | <sbp> sometimes I get the feeling that you'd rather go back to school than be forced to patent something
19:49:45 [deltab]
(bottom)
19:49:54 [AaronSw]
lol! what an appropriate url
19:49:55 [sbp]
wow, I got topic'd almost simultaneously on two channels
19:50:02 [AaronSw]
oh, heh - i get it
19:50:26 [AaronSw]
"License: You can do whatever you want with this code, and so can I.  If you build it into a solution and real people find real value in your solution, then you have a moral obligation to charge as much money as the market will bear and keep the money."
19:50:33 [AaronSw]
The sad thing is that he's serious.
19:50:35 [sbp]
heh, I think I've come across that before
19:51:43 [sbp]
serious: the good thing is that surely nobody would ever take it that way :-)
19:53:02 [thelsdj]
i knew i had seen that somewhere before, and then when i actually loaded the url i noticed that that was where i had seen it before lol
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19:54:32 [AaronSw]
I sorta wonder about JoshA... I mean he's got a family and all
19:54:40 [AaronSw]
would he sell his kids for money? his wife?
19:55:26 [sbp]
pff, I suppose you have something against that now, do you?
19:55:53 [AaronSw]
not really... i'm just curious
19:56:02 [sbp]
:-)
19:56:06 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:56:16 [Ash-w]
I think that license is great!
19:56:18 [Ash-w]
Woo hoo!
19:56:20 [Ash-w]
Yay capitalism!
19:56:21 [Ash-w]
*g*
19:57:23 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj finds an unoccupied sand bar and starts an anarchy
19:58:41 [Ash-w]
I personally like the BSD license, it's nice and simple.
19:58:43 [Ash-w]
Woo
20:00:59 [AaronSw]
yay for simple licenses
20:01:23 [AaronSw]
but i'd rahter people went public domain
20:04:20 [deltab]
http://www.advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=220
20:04:47 [deltab]
Aaron has placed these in the public domain. In other words:
20:04:47 [deltab]
I could even lie / and say I wrote it myself / the author cares not
20:05:24 [AaronSw]
but raph is nice... he wouldn't lie
20:06:36 [Acapnotic]
raph is my hero. but someone was making noise the other day about there being no practical way to yield your copyright to the public domain.
20:06:43 [AaronSw]
<phone>
20:07:13 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj rmembers the advogato app he made a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, you'd stick it in a cron and it would create a static page of latest diary entries for all members of an advogato project
20:08:51 [Seth]
* Seth wonders if a licence that looked like the following would be acceptable to this crowd:
20:09:27 [Seth]
"License: You can do whatever you want with this code, and so can I.  If you build it into a solution and real people find real value in your solution, then you have a moral obligation to charge as much money as the market will bear and pay me $10 for each copy sold."
20:10:51 [Acapnotic]
http://zooko.com/license_quick_ref.html has the bit about public domain software being unpossible, but the only references it gives are unsigned messages on a public mailing list, so I'm not sure how much it's worth.
20:14:44 [Seth]
I just think that if somebody uses your software and charges money for it, then they should give you a fair cut of the action. There should be a licence for that. The formula should be specified in advance. Either a fixed royalty or a fixed royalty X the persentage of the findal code used
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20:46:29 [sbp]
Seth, think about what "a moral obligation to charge as much money as the market will bear" entails
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20:49:42 [AaronSw]
it entails beating up old ladies
20:50:14 [AaronSw]
ooh; http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/26/national/26CND-PLEDGE.html
20:54:28 [sbp]
* sbp wonders how many murders could have been sentenced in the time it took to reach a conclusion on that issue
20:55:06 [sbp]
s/der/derer/
20:56:19 [sbp]
heh, that can't be right:-
20:56:20 [sbp]
$ grep "<sbp> s/" * | wc -l
20:56:20 [sbp]
443
21:04:35 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25893.html
21:04:57 [chumpy]
G: The Register from AaronSw
21:05:15 [AaronSw]
G:|Mitnick Details Sprint Hack
21:05:16 [chumpy]
titled item G
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Homer: Just a little further!
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21:40:31 [AaronSw]
interesting. ibiblio can't host .com sites
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22:16:59 [sbp]
uh oh, I think I've just come up with another URI scheme
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23:08:22 [AaronSw]
JReagle: "The quality of you articles are frightful"
23:09:20 [AaronSw]
oh phew, he's not talking about the copy editing
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23:11:35 [sbp]
heh
23:24:27 [AaronSw]
another uri scheme?
23:24:37 [AaronSw]
what now? regexp:
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swhack
23:25:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw does the wmf
23:27:44 [AaronSw]
Today has been so boring.
23:28:12 [AaronSw]
ICANN meetings, tennis lessons, talking to reporters.... i'm so bored i might have to go swimming
23:28:47 [wmf]
heh, some people downloaded my RPMs with RealPlayer
23:29:07 [AaronSw]
Heh, I love that accident of history.
23:29:36 [wmf]
weirdly, some people only downloaded one RPM
23:30:10 [AaronSw]
i didn't realize there was an OpenSSH 3.4
23:30:18 [wmf]
it came out today
23:30:18 [AaronSw]
does it actually fix the sec hole?
23:30:20 [wmf]
yes
23:31:20 [AaronSw]
debian's probably all "sheesh, we worked our tails off packaging 3.3 we are sure as heck not doing 3.4 for a few days"
23:31:55 [wmf]
actually, they didn't package 3.3 on the grounds that the announcement was annoying
23:31:57 [AaronSw]
and theo's all like "Debian users-- look! look! your distribution is run by incompetent idiots! switch to openBSD!"
23:32:08 [AaronSw]
who didn't?
23:32:17 [wmf]
debian (AFAIK)
23:32:30 [AaronSw]
nope, debian had 3.3 packages out same-day: http://www.debian.org/security/2002/dsa-134
23:33:25 [AaronSw]
oh, wow, they have 3.4 out for potato already
23:36:55 [wmf]
I find it funny that there's an ask /. article looking for MPEG-2 streaming clients for the Mac
23:37:12 [wmf]
.google MPEG-2 streaming client Mac
23:37:14 [datum]
MPEG-2 streaming client Mac: http://www.videolan.org/
23:37:18 [wmf]
I mean, geez
23:37:25 [AaronSw]
heh
23:37:56 [wmf]
heck, I have karma to burn...
23:37:57 [AaronSw]
ok, it's time to find out whose servers i can hack
23:39:11 [AaronSw]
anyone have sploit code?
23:39:27 [wmf]
bad AaronSw, bad
23:39:35 [AaronSw]
no, it's for a good cause
23:39:38 [AaronSw]
i forgot my password
23:39:50 [wmf]
* wmf keeps hitting tab at random times, expecting the bitch to complete my sentence
23:39:58 [wmf]
heh
23:40:04 [AaronSw]
heh, that'd be a nice feature
23:40:15 [AaronSw]
you should have seen the ICANN meetings today. they were hilarious.
23:40:17 [wmf]
Tony botched his 3.4 upgrade and now he can't get into one of his machines
23:40:47 [AaronSw]
heh heh
23:40:55 [wmf]
we had a funny conversation:
23:41:16 [wmf]
<wmf> openssh 3.4 is out, patch your machines
23:41:21 [wmf]
<Tony> already done it
23:41:29 [wmf]
<wmf> you just came out of a meeting!
23:41:40 [wmf]
<Tony> very productive meeting :-)
23:42:02 [AaronSw]
but i thought he botched it...
23:42:21 [wmf]
* wmf shrugs
23:42:37 [AaronSw]
heh... .org takeover presentations at ICANN:
23:42:37 [AaronSw]
"technical stuff? oh yeah, we're outsourcing that to verisign"
23:42:37 [AaronSw]
"technical stuff? oh yeah, we're outsourcing that to microsoft"
23:42:37 [AaronSw]
"technical stuff? oh yeah, we're outsourcing that to the international red cross"
23:42:52 [AaronSw]
it was pretty sad
23:43:19 [wmf]
please tell me someone was not seriously proposing to outsource it to verisign
23:43:25 [AaronSw]
i am dead serious
23:43:45 [AaronSw]
the guy said that when he checked in at the hotel, the hotel clerk looked at him and said "OH NO, YOU ARE THE VERISIGN MAN"
23:43:46 [wmf]
<sigh size="large"/>
23:43:53 [wmf]
LOL!
23:44:26 [AaronSw]
he was like "but think -- the transition period will be easy! there's no transition!"
23:44:36 [wmf]
you're not in Bucha, are you?
23:44:39 [AaronSw]
no
23:44:49 [AaronSw]
was just watching the webcast
23:44:57 [AaronSw]
one group even had a movie with an animated dot that danced around adn said things like "we want to proactively protect the community capital in the .org space"
23:45:05 [wmf]
I'm surprised they have a webcast
23:45:23 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's sponored by all the anti-ICANN people, i think
23:45:54 [AaronSw]
the best part is how Jamie Love gets up at every comment period and disses them for 15 minutes about not letting the public vote
23:45:57 [wmf]
no surprise there
23:46:10 [wmf]
<Karl> let's have a webcast!
23:46:22 [wmf]
<Sclavos> let's not
23:46:27 [AaronSw]
lol
23:48:09 [wmf]
I'm still trying to figure out what value-add registrars provide
23:48:39 [AaronSw]
i'm not sure they make sense outside of the verisign monopoly
23:48:55 [AaronSw]
huh... is Gnome 2 really out or just sorta out?
23:49:03 [wmf]
really
23:49:13 [AaronSw]
so i should upgrade?
23:49:28 [wmf]
a big storm just rolled into town
23:49:52 [wmf]
I was tempted to emerge it on Eric's gentoo box today, but they don't have it yet
23:51:57 [AaronSw]
i wonder if gentoo will be sponsoring the next oreilly conference
23:52:00 [AaronSw]
`emerge technology`
23:52:28 [wmf]
the other way is more likely
23:52:43 [AaronSw]
yeah, i guess
23:52:46 [AaronSw]
emerge oreilly
23:53:00 [AaronSw]
"whoo, it's compiling Tim O'Reilly!"
23:53:14 [wmf]
I meant O'Reilly sponsoring Gentoo
23:53:21 [AaronSw]
yeah, i know
23:53:24 [AaronSw]
heh, i bin blogged
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23:55:11 [AaronSw]
weird: "(And for those interested in writing Perl applications for this new platform [OS X], watch for Programming Cocoa Applications with Perl, also coming soon from O'Reilly.)"
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23:56:18 [AaronSw]
heh: "I left my job as a web developer last fall, with the intention of focusing on Cocoa development. I'm beginning to think that I *seriously* overestimated the market for Cocoa programmers."
23:56:20 [AaronSw]
gotta run
23:56:24 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw -> dinner
23:59:29 [wmf]
it could make for a funny press release, though: Gentoo donates licenses for attendees of ORA ETCon
23:59:29 [wmf]
whoa, power problems
23:59:29 [wmf]
apparently 2002 is the "year of the linux desktop"
23:59:29 [wmf]
that's what, the third year in a row? :-)
23:59:32 [wmf]
check