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01:30:37 <AaronSw> Hi
01:44:35 <sbp> Gotta run
01:45:53 <AaronSw> * AaronSw works on a Movable Type blogging interface
01:58:30 <adam_> * adam_ ponders embedding one XML heirarchy in another, like an XHTML document wrapped around an RSS feed
01:59:18 <adam_> HTML need more metadata embedded in it
01:59:18 <adam_> adam_ is now known as thelsdj
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02:03:04 <thelsdj> i need to be able to specify that my permalink tag is A PERMALINK TAG so that robots that spider my page can tell that that is the permanent link to that item, in the future google will return the permalink to my post that matches your search rather than just my front page or my archived page
02:09:15 <deltab> thelsdj: hmm, you could use Content-Location, though I don't know if that'll do any good
02:09:28 <doid> Hmm. Don't robots follow the permalink and index that content? Trouble is Google gives higher weighting to info on the home page, afaik
02:10:01 <deltab> or you could redirect to a permanent URI
02:10:28 <thelsdj> right but theres no way to tell the robot that: 'this permalink points to this section of content *here*'
02:10:34 <deltab> doid: it gives higher weighting to pages with more incoming links
02:10:48 <deltab> which is usually the home page
02:11:59 <doid> Oh, I thought there was also a higher weighting given to higher level urls
02:12:25 <deltab> I don't see any particular reason for there to be
02:13:49 <doid> Nor do I - probably an incorrect assumption derived from experience
02:14:12 <wmf> you could just not let google index your main page; only let it index the archives
02:14:31 <deltab> indeed
02:14:42 <wmf> you'll take a big rank-hit, though
02:18:06 <thelsdj> i'm just looking at it from a more fundamental point of view, there should be some way to tell robots (search engine robots and other types of robots) that certain elements of an html page have meaning, they arn't just 1's and 0's they mean something, even to a computer
02:19:02 <deltab> sure, that started happening at the end of last month with application/rss+xml links
02:21:34 <AaronSw> thelsdj, just use NOINDEX on the homepage 
02:21:50 <AaronSw> oh, wmf said that
02:22:13 <AaronSw> there should be a <noindex /> tag
02:22:24 <AaronSw> so wmf can say "New <noindex>Flash MX</noindex> version out."
02:23:08 <wmf> AaronSw: I'm tempted to blog that, but you know...
02:23:17 <AaronSw> Heh.
02:23:36 <AaronSw> you can do a s/Flash MX/ Fla*h MX/
02:23:45 <AaronSw> hm, that'd ruin the joke
02:24:07 <wmf> if you're really clever you can do a server-side-exclude on your home page
02:24:25 <AaronSw> ooh, good idea
02:24:45 <wmf> a problem with NOINDEX on the home page is that if someone searches for the blog itself, who knows what they'll find?
02:25:21 <AaronSw> yeah
02:43:05 <doid> Movable Type comes with rdf support (replete with icon)?
02:43:45 <AaronSw> icon?
02:44:43 <doid> A blue version of the orange xml one
02:45:02 <doid> (see Cook Computing dot com)
02:47:58 <AaronSw> it comes with that now? nice!
02:48:30 <wmf> HTP isn't inflammatory enough. I need to try harder
02:48:55 <AaronSw> it's not like you said anything other than the party line
02:52:23 <AaronSw> Irby: Just say NO to XEmacs. http://zooko.com/dscf0025.jpg
03:08:20 <AaronSw> * AaronSw disappears for a bit
03:18:33 <Acapnotic> warning, that is a Large Image
03:21:07 <doid> Wonderful though
03:21:32 <Acapnotic> yes
03:24:38 <doid> * doid views an image of a graph of an rdf data model and wonders if a thebrain like application could be developed in svg
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03:59:51 <AaronSw> thebrain?
03:59:55 <AaronSw> .google thebrain
04:00:18 <datum> thebrain: http://www.thebrain.com/
04:00:25 <AaronSw> i wonder why datum's so slow
04:02:29 <doid> .google "flying through information space"
04:03:13 <datum> "flying through information space": http://www.bootstrap.org/engelbart/hist_pix/index.jsp
04:04:03 <doid> TheBrain may only work in IE win I'm afraid
04:04:23 <doid> (not sure though)
04:06:01 <wmf> wmf has quit ("sleep")
04:07:01 <AaronSw> any idea what would cause latency when executing commands like sudo or opening sockets?
04:07:29 <AaronSw> i get like a five second delay before `ping google.com` writes something to the screen
04:08:30 <AaronSw> machine is completely idle, tho
04:12:21 <doid> Guess you've all seen the TouchGraph WikiBrowser then
04:18:48 <AaronSw> pointer?
04:19:53 <doid> linked from the Bootstrap Alliance homepage - http://www.bootstrap.org/
04:20:25 <doid> (warning, java)
04:21:05 <doid> I'm just on an Engelbart trip at the moment, don't mind me
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04:39:52 <AaronSw> aha, my resolv.conf was bad
04:39:57 <AaronSw> .time
04:39:57 <datum> Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:41:05 GMT
04:40:03 <AaronSw> .google oofo
04:40:25 <datum> oofo: http://tachyon.perlmonk.org/
04:40:31 <AaronSw> hm, that took way too long
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04:41:11 <AaronSw> .google jdjd
04:41:14 <datum> jdjd: http://tgce.icepp.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/components/sectorlogic/SOS081V06_SectorLogic.pdf
04:41:20 <AaronSw> .google jjdm
04:41:23 <datum> jjdm: http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/jsdmd/abst-jap-0e.html
04:42:09 <AaronSw> .acronym pola
04:42:10 <datum> Principle of Least Astonishment
04:42:13 <AaronSw> .acronym pola
04:42:14 <datum> Principle of Least Astonishment
04:42:20 <AaronSw> .google pola
04:42:21 <datum> pola: http://www.pola.co.jp/
05:27:55 <AaronSw> * AaronSw -> sleep
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15:17:06 <AaronSw> * AaronSw waves
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15:41:57 <AaronSw> argh. my throat is filled with gunk, it's hard to breath, my nose is running and my chin itches horribly when i cough (which is quite often, and also causes my throat to feel raw)
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15:55:28 <sbp> ouch
16:27:30 <AaronSw> whoo, woody ssh upg
16:28:04 <Morbus> for the priv issue?
16:28:10 <AaronSw> yep
16:29:05 <AaronSw>  dtm#infoanarchy figured out why datum was so slow... fixed tha tlast nithgt
16:29:48 <AaronSw> happyness is a new 37site
16:29:49 <AaronSw> http://www.37signals.com/better/motors/
16:31:32 <Morbus> whoo!  generation of signatures for Entourage X or Eudora X based on the music playing in iTunes,
16:31:34 <Morbus> http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=13666&db=mac
16:33:00 <AaronSw> "This messages is messed because I'm listening to: %song."
16:33:24 <Morbus> heh, heh.
16:33:31 <Morbus> i love that feature.
16:33:38 <Morbus> hopefully, it can interact with my random sigger for eudora.
16:33:44 <Morbus> (done in perl, cron'd. whoo.)
16:34:00 <AaronSw> I like my current 80char sig.
16:34:14 <AaronSw> hm, only 78
16:34:40 <AaronSw> and it helps sbp find my fingerprint :)
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16:35:07 <AaronSw> My subconscious managed to memorize my fingerprint. that was awesome
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16:38:05 <AaronSw> jang: "Don't make me leverage an implementation of a whupass solution on yo'
16:38:05 <AaronSw>  sorry ass" -- why Samuel Jackson never went into management
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17:05:34 <bitsko> AaronSw: re. standardizing RSS modules, I think we'd be better off moving to "just" a module repository with no WG-sponsored status
17:05:43 <bitsko> like CPAN
17:05:58 <AaronSw> agreed
17:07:00 <bitsko> cool.
17:07:49 <AaronSw> maybe some ntoes on usage or something
17:07:58 <AaronSw> maybe jeff would be willing to hepl with this. syndic8 has been a great repository
17:08:14 <AaronSw> do you have any idea how else to make this happen?
17:08:17 <bitsko> I thought of a nice feature for the archive too: extracting (via XSLT only, of course) the synopsis of modules into a quick-click list
17:09:23 <bitsko> it's the direction kearney and hammersley have been headed too, wrt. NS in 0.9x
17:12:43 <Morbus> i'd be willing to help out.
17:16:54 <bitsko> Morbus: you just want to see the data so you can aggregate more *stuff*.  we know you.
17:17:05 <bitsko> * bitsko :)
17:17:21 <Morbus> hey, don't look at me.
17:17:28 <Morbus> i have no clue what you speak of ;)
17:17:53 <Morbus> i was planning on creating a subsite of ampheta anyways about RSS.
17:18:01 <Morbus> an RSS bloggish, link dir, implementation, tutorials, etc.
17:20:53 <Morbus> well. fine. i hate you guys too <g>
17:22:42 <AaronSw> ow. my elbow muscles hurt form lifting boxes
17:22:56 <Morbus> boxes of doom.
17:23:01 <bitsko> Morbus: sounds good to me
17:23:15 <AaronSw> Morbus, wanna take over rss info?
17:23:25 <Morbus> "take over"?
17:23:32 <Morbus> as in, keep on your server?
17:23:37 <Morbus> or take over the name?
17:24:20 <AaronSw> mainly take the data so i can redirect to you
17:24:36 <Morbus> sure.
17:24:44 <Morbus> i was planning on an MT backend.
17:25:16 <Morbus> although MT isn't the greatest for linkage lists.
17:25:41 <AaronSw> yeah
17:26:22 <AaronSw> MT needs customizable metadat
17:26:35 <Morbus> agreed.
17:26:45 <Morbus> i looked into it once, but i've never worked with DB_file, so I got confused.
17:27:52 <Morbus> i could probably piece it together with category and parent categories.
17:28:02 <Morbus> depends though.
17:28:07 <Morbus> i haven't really though about it yet.
17:29:03 <AaronSw> this is my fave MT blog. you don't even notice it uses M.
17:29:26 <Morbus> which is that?
17:29:30 <Morbus> ever seen gamegrene? <g>
17:30:01 <AaronSw> yeah
17:30:06 <AaronSw> oh, whoops! link: http://not.invisible.net/signals/
17:32:20 <Morbus> yeah, that is nice.
17:35:29 <bitsko> you can have the 600-line Perl Wiki I use to run the PRTnews blog ;)
17:36:18 <Morbus> heh, heh. nah, i want more sturcture
17:36:40 <bitsko> what kinda structure?  it looks just like xmlhack.com
17:38:42 <Morbus> is it dynamic or static?
17:38:45 <Morbus> i like static pages.
17:38:51 <Morbus> xmlhack is dynamic.
17:39:05 <bitsko> ah.  it's dynamic.
17:39:21 <bitsko> (html generation, that is)
17:39:32 <bitsko> it's flat-file on the back-end
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18:35:51 <AaronSw> Thought: use web.resource.org for a schema repository.
18:36:01 <AaronSw> or rdf.resource.org
18:38:21 <bitsko> do they have a nice interface?
18:38:38 <AaronSw> I'm sure we can get webchick to make one.
18:38:56 <AaronSw> the http://resource.org/ interface is cute, i think.
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19:01:43 <sbp> <AaronSw> My subconscious managed to memorize my fingerprint. that was awesome
19:01:44 <sbp> 'ray!
19:02:42 <AaronSw> Thanks.
19:03:25 <redmonk> hey! what the blue blazes is going on in here? and why wasn't I notifed!?
19:03:28 <redmonk> :)
19:04:11 <redmonk> hi all
19:04:15 <AaronSw> redmonk!
19:04:42 <redmonk> aaronsw!
19:08:09 <bitsko> MIME, as one example of a passive datatype carrier, has this to 
19:08:18 <bitsko> say in its Security Considerations:
19:08:37 <bitsko> Security issues are discussed in the context of the "application/postscript" type, the "message/external-body" type, and in RFC 2048. Implementors should pay special attention to the security implications of any media types that can cause the remote execution of any actions in the recipient's environment. In such cases, the discussion of the "application/postscript" type may serve as a model for considering other media types with remote execution capabili
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19:11:56 <bitsko> publishing information RFCs is easy, and one need not even be a member of an organization
19:13:20 <bitsko> I believe it was Mark Nottingham who volunteered to create the RFC-formatted spec
19:13:44 <bitsko> may be wrong tho, since he's the one who came back and asked what was up with it ;)
19:14:25 <AaronSw> hm
19:16:16 <bitsko> if it were published as an RFC, we could then simply include the MIME type registration
19:16:34 <bitsko> yes, it was Mark who volunteered
19:18:34 <dogcow> x-dwiner-ego-booster
19:19:50 <bitsko> eh?
19:23:09 <dogcow> hehe
19:23:13 <dogcow> bitsko: nm.
19:23:23 <dogcow> bitsko: that's the mimetype I'm proposing for rss
19:23:24 <dogcow> *g*
19:24:11 <bitsko> mnotting at one point indicated he had a draft in progress, then came back later with the suggestion of giving it as a note
19:24:42 <AaronSw> well, w3c iwll host us if it's a note
19:26:33 <bitsko> ietf will host us if it's an RFC :)
19:27:11 <bitsko> otoh, IETF will want us to reformat it rather dramatically, whereas W3C is, shall we say, quite liberal in what it allows in as Notes
19:28:32 <AaronSw> IETF will not host us, not in the way I'm thinking.
19:28:44 <AaronSw> i.e. we will have no URL for our schema, etc.
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20:06:38 <thelsdj> * thelsdj agrees whole heartedly with AaronSw
20:06:43 <thelsdj> * thelsdj -> nap
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20:19:38 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  I've been mentioning the nonprofit quite a bit in the last few months and I decided it was probably time to give you more details.  Please take a look and see what you think.  Thanks.
20:20:05 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Oops, the url:  http://lilo.sargasso.net/nonprofit.html .  Thanks.
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22:25:58 <AaronSw> .time +3
22:25:58 <datum> Wed, 26 Jun 2002 02:27:04 +3
22:26:06 <AaronSw> * AaronSw attempts to track ICANN mtg
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22:31:12 <AaronSw> heh: http://felter.org/questionable/
22:31:20 <AaronSw> "this information does violate any laws"
22:31:46 <wmf> hmm, I wonder how that happened
22:32:09 <AaronSw> aha! "o	Merge DRM fixes from 2.4.7 tree			(me)"
22:37:42 <uberfunk> AaronSw: that was the changelog ac censured?
22:37:57 <AaronSw> part of it, i guess
22:38:15 <uberfunk> I think the quota stuff was what he nixed, not the DRM stuff
22:38:32 <uberfunk> the first item in the -pre11 part
22:38:44 <wmf> DRM probably means Direct Rendering Manager
22:38:54 <uberfunk> indeed
22:39:14 <AaronSw> * AaronSw reads thrilling conclusion of Monkey Town
22:40:23 <AaronSw> heh. "Scott Mccloud ­ I know you are reading this. Choose one of the many titles I have submitted." is good.
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23:58:51 <wmf> @ http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/
23:59:04 <chumpy> A: Home Page from wmf