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01:50:17 <sbp> heh, heh: #3792: <tomg> I appear to have accidentally learned java
01:50:35 <wmf> don't you hate it when that happens?
01:51:44 <sbp> yes!
01:53:00 <sbp> although he's not ending his lines with a completely unecessary semi-colon, so he can't be a true Java programmer
02:01:27 <AaronSw> good movie
02:06:11 <wmf> @ http://www.robotarmy.com/
02:06:18 <chumpy> A: robot:army from wmf
02:06:35 <AaronSw> ummm...
02:06:43 <AaronSw> am i missing something?
02:06:46 <wmf> A:: Is Damien Stolarz building a ROBOT ARMY?
02:06:47 <chumpy> commented item A
02:07:06 <AaronSw> ... OF THE REPUBLIC
02:08:03 <wmf> A:: he's still listed at Blue Falcon, so maybe there's no news here
02:08:05 <chumpy> commented item A
02:08:17 <AaronSw> Where'd you get the addy?
02:08:24 <wmf> decentralization
02:08:50 <AaronSw>    Organization:
02:08:50 <AaronSw>       Robotarmy
02:08:50 <AaronSw>       Damien Stolarz
02:08:50 <AaronSw>       6620 Glade Ave.
02:08:50 <AaronSw>       Canoga Park, CA 91303
02:08:51 <AaronSw>       US
02:08:53 <AaronSw>       Phone: 818 554 1555
02:08:55 <AaronSw>       Email: robotarmy@yahoo.com
02:08:57 <AaronSw>     Created on..............: Thu, Sep 11, 1997
02:10:02 <AaronSw> minority report had an awesome computer system
02:10:07 <AaronSw> with gloves and stuff to move things around
02:10:24 <AaronSw> it reminded me of... that bruce togazzani film, i think
02:13:24 <wmf> find any jaguar lmbench numbers yet?
02:14:28 <AaronSw> nope, i didn't write after all because i have no idea how to take them
02:14:44 <AaronSw> is lord@netscape.com a real person?
02:14:44 <wmf> the instructions are pretty easy to follow
02:14:50 <wmf> I think so
02:15:02 <wmf> Bob Lord?
02:19:22 <AaronSw> i wonder how much it'd cost to be a CA in moz
02:19:43 <wmf> heck, you might get in for free
02:19:59 <AaronSw> heh: "As you know, Ballmer and these guys run around and turn red and virtually have strokes every day when people say there's some other competitive Open Source initiative."
02:19:59 <wmf> since they apparently don't have any kind of policy
02:32:08 <AaronSw> argh, airport died again
02:34:26 <AaronSw> BT: "i like illegal MP3s, I use them all the time [...] it's just like cracked software, i use it too... but then i throw it out and buy it"
02:35:23 <AaronSw> "even if they don't buy it now, they'll buy it down the line"
02:36:17 <AaronSw> "1000s of people have told me that they found me on napster and then bought my record... literally 1000s... i think it's a positive thing"
02:40:09 <AaronSw> wow, that XPalm is awesome
02:40:22 <wmf> what?
02:40:39 <AaronSw> the color Palm running OS X: http://home.no.net/macosx/
02:41:16 <wmf> how silly
02:41:48 <AaronSw> hey man, this is the apple pda!
02:42:16 <AaronSw> de http://boingboing.net/2002_06_01_archive.html#85192801
02:47:09 <wmf> * wmf watches the video
02:47:12 <wmf> * wmf lols
02:48:26 <wmf> that's easy enough to fake
02:48:37 <AaronSw> how?
02:49:05 <wmf> just write a Palm app that plays back a video
02:49:18 <wmf> build the video in photoshop
02:49:34 <AaronSw> and get good and practicing pen motions in sync?
02:50:01 <wmf> or it could pause the video at certain points until there's a tap
02:50:29 <wmf> notice there's no live scrolling or anything like that
02:54:36 <AaronSw> good point
02:55:18 <AaronSw> you'd think he'd make it boot a little faster if it was faked :)
02:56:51 <wmf> yeah, because we all know '030s are so much faster than those piece-of-junk G4s
02:57:13 <AaronSw> yeah
03:05:13 <sbp> Gotta run
03:20:48 <AaronSw> whoa, agl has full text of HHGTTG on his site
03:21:10 <AaronSw> oh, just the first part
03:23:31 <AaronSw> freaky! my pgp fingerprint just came to me
03:23:53 <AaronSw> except for the last four digits
03:25:46 <AaronSw> oh man... http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/2002/Jun/20#parrot_cellular_automata
03:26:15 <AaronSw> heh, best headline for mozilla's release: "Godot is here"
04:06:52 <AaronSw> Apple: 'In this example, your username is "cypherpunks", your password is "ha!ha!ha", and you are interested in the "patch" project in Darwin:'
04:07:31 <wmf> "I will be 'Boris' and you will be 'Doris'"
04:08:10 <wmf> AaronSw: your man(1) skills are unstoppable
04:08:29 <AaronSw> :-)
04:09:10 <wmf> I emailed him the man page before I saw your message
04:09:19 <AaronSw> heh, now he gets it three times
04:09:42 <AaronSw> is it just me or does atos seem a little strange to be a whole application?
04:10:30 <wmf> not really
04:18:11 <AaronSw> i wonder what message the new open source logo is trying to convey...
04:18:25 <AaronSw> c for copyright? with a lock in it?
04:18:50 <wmf> does open source really need a logo?
04:19:24 <AaronSw> well, if we don't have a logo what's our leader going to wear at press conferences?
04:20:02 <AaronSw> and if we don't have a leader how will we combat Microsoft FUD?
04:20:19 <AaronSw> and if we don't combat microsoft FUD how will we survive?
04:20:40 <wmf> why, black suits (no ties) of course
04:20:53 <AaronSw> Hmm.
04:21:35 <AaronSw> heh: 'for those of you who learned languages like Perl in High School instead of Latin'
04:23:30 <AaronSw> I smell conspiracy: The message from Paul Prescod <paul@prescod.net> concerning ³How Saddam 'staged' fake baby funerals² is temporarily unavailable.
04:25:54 <AaronSw> weird. bram made the front page of digitalfreedom
04:28:44 <AaronSw> * AaronSw -> sleep
04:29:16 <eikeon> hum
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05:18:57 <jeremiah> so how come I can do 'for i in generator' but not 'len(generator)'
05:21:56 <eikeon> Yeah... seems like you should be able to do len(gen)
05:22:05 <eikeon> I have tried before anyway.
05:22:19 <eikeon> Seems a bit of a waste to have to do len(list(g))
05:23:34 <eikeon> I meant to leave a TODO: in the __len__ method of abstract... as it needs to be optimized.
05:30:34 <jeremiah> oh
05:31:27 <jeremiah> you are of eikeon.com, right?
05:31:52 <jeremiah> n/m
05:31:59 <eikeon> yep.
05:32:03 <eikeon> n/m?
05:32:11 <jeremiah> (nevermind)
05:32:26 <jeremiah> I was linking you on my weblog and once I looked at eikeon.com I realized it was yours
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11:22:29 <pixel> I have a tremendous idea.
11:22:42 <pixel> anyone awake?
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11:25:05 <pixel> hi.
11:25:12 <pixel> I've got a fairly cool idea.
11:26:10 <sbp> oh, the suspense!
11:26:32 <pixel> create a story-blog.  take the daypop top 40, and create a blog for each story, from the blog entries that refer to it.
11:26:56 <pixel> each blog will be only about each story, and will include the blog entries of those entries referring to the story.
11:27:44 <pixel> in this way, you could track the progrssion of a given news story.
11:28:42 <pixel> whaddya think?
11:30:16 <sbp> what's the point?
11:31:13 <sbp> brb
11:31:27 <pixel> to have a website taht more consisely keeps track fo news articles.
11:32:22 <pixel> it shifts the focus of the blogs.  in addition to have a blog that is from the point of view of a particlular blogger, you would be able to read blogs that are from the point of view of multiple bloggers, all centered around one central subject.
11:32:38 <pixel> and the bloggers wouldn't have to do anything more than they do now, it'd just all be code.
11:33:36 <pixel> I think ti would be interesting to read everyone's view of a particular issue, all in a concise format.
11:37:16 <sbp> well, daypop already has the referrers feature. how is this different?
11:38:01 <pixel> rather than putting just a link to each of the pages, it would create a blog-style page, including the referring post.  it would be a blog for the story.
11:38:25 <pixel> I think I'm just going to have to create it, and see what happens :)
11:40:01 <pixel> ok. maybe it wasn't a world shaking idea :)
11:40:10 <sbp> good idea--then we can see it in action
11:40:19 <sbp> well, we'll see :-)
11:40:49 <pixel> hehe
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12:36:40 <sbp> howdy
12:37:38 <Morbus> eh oh.
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12:51:13 <sbp> Timmay!
12:54:11 <Timmay> hola
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15:05:46 <AaronSw> hi
15:26:34 <AaronSw> Microsoft Attempts to Cement Monopoly Under Guise of Continuing Copyright Terrorism [aaronsw.com]
15:26:40 <AaronSw> (what a headline!)
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15:47:00 <AaronSw> <AaronSw> heh: "HiveCache is secure, bullet-proof, and fault-tolerant."
15:47:00 <AaronSw> <AaronSw> i didn't know you could do bulletproofing in software
15:48:21 <deltab> sure, as long as they're software bullets
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15:58:42 <AaronSw> hm, good point
16:08:48 <AaronSw> * AaronSw -> orthodontist
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16:48:25 <bitsko> <Blam!>
16:48:33 <bitsko> er, no wait,
16:48:34 <Morbus> kick it up another notch!
16:48:37 <bitsko> Swhack!
16:48:44 <redmonk> lo
16:50:25 <sbp> or, as Ash put it a little while ago...
16:50:27 <sbp> 2002-05-03 15:38:22 <Ash> BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
16:53:43 <bitsko> The dogcow is ubiquitous, but it would be nice if O'Reilly's graphic continued the ambiguity of whether it be dog or whether it be cow
16:55:03 <bitsko> RNG compact syntax.  N3.  what XML syntax can we simplify next?  how 'bout XML itself?  :-)
16:55:48 <sbp> people have been doing that
16:56:14 <sbp> e.g. http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/03/15/feature/
16:57:02 <bitsko> I was thinking more on the hand-entry/reading end.  Pyxie is more on the tools end.
16:57:27 <bitsko> * bitsko is a long-time nsgmls user
16:58:04 <sbp> I'm trying to find the list. hold your horses
16:58:05 <bitsko> * bitsko was doing style-sheets with *ML before they were popular :)
16:58:22 <bitsko> I'm familiar with Common-XML and the one big other one
16:58:52 <bitsko> Simple-XML
16:59:58 <bitsko> those are targeted at the 20% of XML that nobody uses anyway!
17:00:03 <sbp> nope, I give in. smeg it
17:00:05 <sbp> Gotta run
17:00:18 <bitsko> I'm thinking more of the s-expr crowd
17:06:43 <bitsko> AaronSw: you're header backgrounds on the right-hand-side bleed across the left side of page in IE5
17:10:37 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  I have a website up at http://lilo.sargasso.net/ explaining my current situation.  I'm asking for help on a personal basis to keep working as OPN head of staff and to finish setting up the nonprofit corp.  Please take a look.  If you decide to help, please don't wait for the next person to do it first.  Thanks.
17:18:23 <AaronSw> whee! technology -- wireless internet on the street
17:18:25 <AaronSw> bitsko!
17:18:36 <AaronSw> bitsko, what page? header background?
17:18:45 <bitsko> weblog
17:19:10 <bitsko> the one on http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/
17:19:15 <AaronSw> can you take a screenshot?
17:19:55 <bitsko> coming up...
17:23:12 <AaronSw> argh... can you try again?
17:24:03 <bitsko> I can drop it a url if needed
17:24:06 <AaronSw> hm, not working.. maybe net cafe is firewaling
17:24:09 <AaronSw> a url would be good
17:24:26 <dogcow> Anyone know what the X protocol communicates using?
17:24:31 <dogcow> It's TCP, right?
17:24:36 <dogcow> port 6000
17:25:40 <bitsko> [off] http://www.iaxs.net/~kmacleod/aaron-weblog.png
17:26:01 <AaronSw> * AaronSw imagines X protocol in XML
17:26:01 <bitsko> 6000-6010 is normal range
17:26:18 <bitsko> yes, TCP.  never let it thru a firewall directly, tho
17:26:25 <bitsko> if that's what you're doing :)
17:27:03 <AaronSw> hm, my site has an interesting title too... or you're using a japanese browser or something
17:29:30 <dogcow> bitsko: No, I wasn't going to. Just double checking.
17:30:42 <dogcow> trying to figure out why I'm not able to display remotely on another machine, and needed stuff to look for from my sniffer
17:31:13 <bitsko> ah
17:37:51 <bitsko> anybody know any good electronics projects sites?
17:38:35 <bitsko> n'er mind
17:39:38 <bitsko> I was going to say "Like Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar" which prompted me to search dmoz for it, which came up with hundreds of 'em.  wow
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17:44:40 <bitsko> * bitsko wants to get back into gadgets
17:46:49 <AaronSw> odd. i can get to http://ww.google.com/ but not www...
18:07:46 <AaronSw> William Gibson on 'consumers': "... best visualized a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mout
18:07:46 <AaronSw>  extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections." 
18:08:37 <AaronSw> lol: http://www.introducingmonday.co.uk/
18:09:02 <AaronSw> what kind of a stupid name is "Monday"?
18:09:38 <bitsko> and Wednesday or Tuesday are good?
18:09:52 <bitsko> I can't see anybody being named "Thursday" tho :)
18:10:12 <Morbus> heh, heh.
18:10:12 <AaronSw> "Where you going tomorrow?"
18:10:12 <AaronSw> "Monday."
18:10:12 <AaronSw> "Yes, today is Sunday so tomorrow would be Monday."
18:10:12 <AaronSw> "No, I'm going to Monday."
18:10:12 <AaronSw> "Yeah, and you'll get there tomorrow and where will you go?"
18:10:12 <AaronSw> "No! I'm going to the consulting place 'Monday'."
18:10:14 <AaronSw> "What kind of a stupid name is 'Monday'?"
18:10:15 <bitsko> or anything, for that matter
18:13:06 <AaronSw> gotta run
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19:55:01 <bitsko> PDFs with TeX fonts suck :( 
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