IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-24

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01:50:17 [sbp]
heh, heh: #3792: <tomg> I appear to have accidentally learned java
01:50:35 [wmf]
don't you hate it when that happens?
01:51:44 [sbp]
yes!
01:53:00 [sbp]
although he's not ending his lines with a completely unecessary semi-colon, so he can't be a true Java programmer
02:01:27 [AaronSw]
good movie
02:06:11 [wmf]
@ http://www.robotarmy.com/
02:06:18 [chumpy]
A: robot:army from wmf
02:06:35 [AaronSw]
ummm...
02:06:43 [AaronSw]
am i missing something?
02:06:46 [wmf]
A:: Is Damien Stolarz building a ROBOT ARMY?
02:06:47 [chumpy]
commented item A
02:07:06 [AaronSw]
... OF THE REPUBLIC
02:08:03 [wmf]
A:: he's still listed at Blue Falcon, so maybe there's no news here
02:08:05 [chumpy]
commented item A
02:08:17 [AaronSw]
Where'd you get the addy?
02:08:24 [wmf]
decentralization
02:08:50 [AaronSw]
Organization:
02:08:50 [AaronSw]
Robotarmy
02:08:50 [AaronSw]
Damien Stolarz
02:08:50 [AaronSw]
6620 Glade Ave.
02:08:50 [AaronSw]
Canoga Park, CA 91303
02:08:51 [AaronSw]
US
02:08:53 [AaronSw]
Phone: 818 554 1555
02:08:55 [AaronSw]
Email: robotarmy@yahoo.com
02:08:57 [AaronSw]
Created on..............: Thu, Sep 11, 1997
02:10:02 [AaronSw]
minority report had an awesome computer system
02:10:07 [AaronSw]
with gloves and stuff to move things around
02:10:24 [AaronSw]
it reminded me of... that bruce togazzani film, i think
02:13:24 [wmf]
find any jaguar lmbench numbers yet?
02:14:28 [AaronSw]
nope, i didn't write after all because i have no idea how to take them
02:14:44 [AaronSw]
is lord@netscape.com a real person?
02:14:44 [wmf]
the instructions are pretty easy to follow
02:14:50 [wmf]
I think so
02:15:02 [wmf]
Bob Lord?
02:19:22 [AaronSw]
i wonder how much it'd cost to be a CA in moz
02:19:43 [wmf]
heck, you might get in for free
02:19:59 [AaronSw]
heh: "As you know, Ballmer and these guys run around and turn red and virtually have strokes every day when people say there's some other competitive Open Source initiative."
02:19:59 [wmf]
since they apparently don't have any kind of policy
02:32:08 [AaronSw]
argh, airport died again
02:34:26 [AaronSw]
BT: "i like illegal MP3s, I use them all the time [...] it's just like cracked software, i use it too... but then i throw it out and buy it"
02:35:23 [AaronSw]
"even if they don't buy it now, they'll buy it down the line"
02:36:17 [AaronSw]
"1000s of people have told me that they found me on napster and then bought my record... literally 1000s... i think it's a positive thing"
02:40:09 [AaronSw]
wow, that XPalm is awesome
02:40:22 [wmf]
what?
02:40:39 [AaronSw]
the color Palm running OS X: http://home.no.net/macosx/
02:41:16 [wmf]
how silly
02:41:48 [AaronSw]
hey man, this is the apple pda!
02:42:16 [AaronSw]
de http://boingboing.net/2002_06_01_archive.html#85192801
02:47:09 [wmf]
* wmf watches the video
02:47:12 [wmf]
* wmf lols
02:48:26 [wmf]
that's easy enough to fake
02:48:37 [AaronSw]
how?
02:49:05 [wmf]
just write a Palm app that plays back a video
02:49:18 [wmf]
build the video in photoshop
02:49:34 [AaronSw]
and get good and practicing pen motions in sync?
02:50:01 [wmf]
or it could pause the video at certain points until there's a tap
02:50:29 [wmf]
notice there's no live scrolling or anything like that
02:54:36 [AaronSw]
good point
02:55:18 [AaronSw]
you'd think he'd make it boot a little faster if it was faked :)
02:56:51 [wmf]
yeah, because we all know '030s are so much faster than those piece-of-junk G4s
02:57:13 [AaronSw]
yeah
03:05:13 [sbp]
Gotta run
03:20:48 [AaronSw]
whoa, agl has full text of HHGTTG on his site
03:21:10 [AaronSw]
oh, just the first part
03:23:31 [AaronSw]
freaky! my pgp fingerprint just came to me
03:23:53 [AaronSw]
except for the last four digits
03:25:46 [AaronSw]
oh man... http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/2002/Jun/20#parrot_cellular_automata
03:26:15 [AaronSw]
heh, best headline for mozilla's release: "Godot is here"
04:06:52 [AaronSw]
Apple: 'In this example, your username is "cypherpunks", your password is "ha!ha!ha", and you are interested in the "patch" project in Darwin:'
04:07:31 [wmf]
"I will be 'Boris' and you will be 'Doris'"
04:08:10 [wmf]
AaronSw: your man(1) skills are unstoppable
04:08:29 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:09:10 [wmf]
I emailed him the man page before I saw your message
04:09:19 [AaronSw]
heh, now he gets it three times
04:09:42 [AaronSw]
is it just me or does atos seem a little strange to be a whole application?
04:10:30 [wmf]
not really
04:18:11 [AaronSw]
i wonder what message the new open source logo is trying to convey...
04:18:25 [AaronSw]
c for copyright? with a lock in it?
04:18:50 [wmf]
does open source really need a logo?
04:19:24 [AaronSw]
well, if we don't have a logo what's our leader going to wear at press conferences?
04:20:02 [AaronSw]
and if we don't have a leader how will we combat Microsoft FUD?
04:20:19 [AaronSw]
and if we don't combat microsoft FUD how will we survive?
04:20:40 [wmf]
why, black suits (no ties) of course
04:20:53 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
04:21:35 [AaronSw]
heh: 'for those of you who learned languages like Perl in High School instead of Latin'
04:23:30 [AaronSw]
I smell conspiracy: The message from Paul Prescod <paul@prescod.net> concerning ³How Saddam 'staged' fake baby funerals² is temporarily unavailable.
04:25:54 [AaronSw]
weird. bram made the front page of digitalfreedom
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04:29:16 [eikeon]
hum
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05:18:57 [jeremiah]
so how come I can do 'for i in generator' but not 'len(generator)'
05:21:56 [eikeon]
Yeah... seems like you should be able to do len(gen)
05:22:05 [eikeon]
I have tried before anyway.
05:22:19 [eikeon]
Seems a bit of a waste to have to do len(list(g))
05:23:34 [eikeon]
I meant to leave a TODO: in the __len__ method of abstract... as it needs to be optimized.
05:30:34 [jeremiah]
oh
05:31:27 [jeremiah]
you are of eikeon.com, right?
05:31:52 [jeremiah]
n/m
05:31:59 [eikeon]
yep.
05:32:03 [eikeon]
n/m?
05:32:11 [jeremiah]
(nevermind)
05:32:26 [jeremiah]
I was linking you on my weblog and once I looked at eikeon.com I realized it was yours
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11:22:29 [pixel]
I have a tremendous idea.
11:22:42 [pixel]
anyone awake?
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* sbp waves to pixel & Seth
11:25:05 [pixel]
hi.
11:25:12 [pixel]
I've got a fairly cool idea.
11:26:10 [sbp]
oh, the suspense!
11:26:32 [pixel]
create a story-blog. take the daypop top 40, and create a blog for each story, from the blog entries that refer to it.
11:26:56 [pixel]
each blog will be only about each story, and will include the blog entries of those entries referring to the story.
11:27:44 [pixel]
in this way, you could track the progrssion of a given news story.
11:28:42 [pixel]
whaddya think?
11:30:16 [sbp]
what's the point?
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brb
11:31:27 [pixel]
to have a website taht more consisely keeps track fo news articles.
11:32:22 [pixel]
it shifts the focus of the blogs. in addition to have a blog that is from the point of view of a particlular blogger, you would be able to read blogs that are from the point of view of multiple bloggers, all centered around one central subject.
11:32:38 [pixel]
and the bloggers wouldn't have to do anything more than they do now, it'd just all be code.
11:33:36 [pixel]
I think ti would be interesting to read everyone's view of a particular issue, all in a concise format.
11:37:16 [sbp]
well, daypop already has the referrers feature. how is this different?
11:38:01 [pixel]
rather than putting just a link to each of the pages, it would create a blog-style page, including the referring post. it would be a blog for the story.
11:38:25 [pixel]
I think I'm just going to have to create it, and see what happens :)
11:40:01 [pixel]
ok. maybe it wasn't a world shaking idea :)
11:40:10 [sbp]
good idea--then we can see it in action
11:40:19 [sbp]
well, we'll see :-)
11:40:49 [pixel]
hehe
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howdy
12:37:38 [Morbus]
eh oh.
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Timmay!
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hola
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* AaronSw heads back
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15:05:46 [AaronSw]
hi
15:26:34 [AaronSw]
Microsoft Attempts to Cement Monopoly Under Guise of Continuing Copyright Terrorism [aaronsw.com]
15:26:40 [AaronSw]
(what a headline!)
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15:47:00 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> heh: "HiveCache is secure, bullet-proof, and fault-tolerant."
15:47:00 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> i didn't know you could do bulletproofing in software
15:48:21 [deltab]
sure, as long as they're software bullets
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15:58:42 [AaronSw]
hm, good point
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<Blam!>
16:48:33 [bitsko]
er, no wait,
16:48:34 [Morbus]
kick it up another notch!
16:48:37 [bitsko]
Swhack!
16:48:44 [redmonk]
lo
16:50:25 [sbp]
or, as Ash put it a little while ago...
16:50:27 [sbp]
2002-05-03 15:38:22 <Ash> BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
16:53:43 [bitsko]
The dogcow is ubiquitous, but it would be nice if O'Reilly's graphic continued the ambiguity of whether it be dog or whether it be cow
16:55:03 [bitsko]
RNG compact syntax. N3. what XML syntax can we simplify next? how 'bout XML itself? :-)
16:55:48 [sbp]
people have been doing that
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e.g. http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/03/15/feature/
16:57:02 [bitsko]
I was thinking more on the hand-entry/reading end. Pyxie is more on the tools end.
16:57:27 [bitsko]
* bitsko is a long-time nsgmls user
16:58:04 [sbp]
I'm trying to find the list. hold your horses
16:58:05 [bitsko]
* bitsko was doing style-sheets with *ML before they were popular :)
16:58:22 [bitsko]
I'm familiar with Common-XML and the one big other one
16:58:52 [bitsko]
Simple-XML
16:59:58 [bitsko]
those are targeted at the 20% of XML that nobody uses anyway!
17:00:03 [sbp]
nope, I give in. smeg it
17:00:05 [sbp]
Gotta run
17:00:18 [bitsko]
I'm thinking more of the s-expr crowd
17:06:43 [bitsko]
AaronSw: you're header backgrounds on the right-hand-side bleed across the left side of page in IE5
17:10:37 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. I have a website up at http://lilo.sargasso.net/ explaining my current situation. I'm asking for help on a personal basis to keep working as OPN head of staff and to finish setting up the nonprofit corp. Please take a look. If you decide to help, please don't wait for the next person to do it first. Thanks.
17:18:23 [AaronSw]
whee! technology -- wireless internet on the street
17:18:25 [AaronSw]
bitsko!
17:18:36 [AaronSw]
bitsko, what page? header background?
17:18:45 [bitsko]
weblog
17:19:10 [bitsko]
the one on http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/
17:19:15 [AaronSw]
can you take a screenshot?
17:19:55 [bitsko]
coming up...
17:23:12 [AaronSw]
argh... can you try again?
17:24:03 [bitsko]
I can drop it a url if needed
17:24:06 [AaronSw]
hm, not working.. maybe net cafe is firewaling
17:24:09 [AaronSw]
a url would be good
17:24:26 [dogcow]
Anyone know what the X protocol communicates using?
17:24:31 [dogcow]
It's TCP, right?
17:24:36 [dogcow]
port 6000
17:25:40 [bitsko]
[off] http://www.iaxs.net/~kmacleod/aaron-weblog.png
17:26:01 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw imagines X protocol in XML
17:26:01 [bitsko]
6000-6010 is normal range
17:26:18 [bitsko]
yes, TCP. never let it thru a firewall directly, tho
17:26:25 [bitsko]
if that's what you're doing :)
17:27:03 [AaronSw]
hm, my site has an interesting title too... or you're using a japanese browser or something
17:29:30 [dogcow]
bitsko: No, I wasn't going to. Just double checking.
17:30:42 [dogcow]
trying to figure out why I'm not able to display remotely on another machine, and needed stuff to look for from my sniffer
17:31:13 [bitsko]
ah
17:37:51 [bitsko]
anybody know any good electronics projects sites?
17:38:35 [bitsko]
n'er mind
17:39:38 [bitsko]
I was going to say "Like Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar" which prompted me to search dmoz for it, which came up with hundreds of 'em. wow
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* bitsko wants to get back into gadgets
17:46:49 [AaronSw]
odd. i can get to http://ww.google.com/ but not www...
18:07:46 [AaronSw]
William Gibson on 'consumers': "... best visualized a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mout
18:07:46 [AaronSw]
extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."
18:08:37 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.introducingmonday.co.uk/
18:09:02 [AaronSw]
what kind of a stupid name is "Monday"?
18:09:38 [bitsko]
and Wednesday or Tuesday are good?
18:09:52 [bitsko]
I can't see anybody being named "Thursday" tho :)
18:10:12 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:10:12 [AaronSw]
"Where you going tomorrow?"
18:10:12 [AaronSw]
"Monday."
18:10:12 [AaronSw]
"Yes, today is Sunday so tomorrow would be Monday."
18:10:12 [AaronSw]
"No, I'm going to Monday."
18:10:12 [AaronSw]
"Yeah, and you'll get there tomorrow and where will you go?"
18:10:12 [AaronSw]
"No! I'm going to the consulting place 'Monday'."
18:10:14 [AaronSw]
"What kind of a stupid name is 'Monday'?"
18:10:15 [bitsko]
or anything, for that matter
18:13:06 [AaronSw]
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PDFs with TeX fonts suck :(
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anyone know about this openssh exploit?
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