00:00:00 so in summary you're saying that debian is the source of all trolling? 00:00:16 Well, no. 00:00:25 I'm sure that there are good people over in the debian camp. 00:00:27 (like you!) 00:00:43 * sbp ? 00:00:51 I'm just saying a few small changes would substantially improve the user experience. 00:01:23 Oh. 00:01:32 I'm saying that debian-land isn't the source of all trolling. 00:01:41 right. I was just trying to twist your words so that you ended up not knowing what the feck you were going on about so that I could put "NEWSFLASH: Ash thinks that debian users are the root of all evil!" in the topic 00:01:41 just some *g* 00:01:55 Well, debian users *are* the root of all evil 00:01:58 but I wasn't discussing that 00:01:58 *g* 00:02:04 heh, heh 00:02:13 sbp has changed the topic to: NEWSFLASH: Ash thinks that debian users are the root of all evil! 00:02:35 * sbp is happy 00:03:03 feel free to change the topic to SBP SUX0RS or something if you like 00:03:15 but I've really not got enough debian experience to call either way on this 00:03:26 I know that DanC and Gerald(?) are bin debian-heads 00:03:29 dogcow has changed the topic to: (setq sbp nil) (garbage-collect) 00:03:38 and the other Aaron seems quite keen on it 00:03:53 Yeah. 00:03:57 to be quite honest, I think this whole *nix thing is a fad 00:03:59 It's pretty good, for a linux distribution. 00:04:00 LOL 00:04:01 it'll blow over soon :-) 00:13:39 I hope so. 00:13:43 LISP MACHINES 4 LYFE 00:26:07 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020610]") 00:38:54 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 00:39:14 shwack 00:41:07 schwing 00:48:46 ZOOP-OING 00:48:59 word to the dogcow 00:49:04 word 00:49:08 sup wmf? 00:49:23 just back from a part with work people 00:49:32 cool 00:49:33 word? part? heh 00:49:45 I don't think I could handle a party with people from where I work. 00:49:48 er, party 00:49:58 Tons of people here are psychotic. 00:50:22 I work with mostly normal people 00:50:24 oh... I thought you were doing a little "just back from a part with ma peeps, bro" routine. shucks :-) 00:50:37 Yeah, I wish I did. 00:50:45 sbp: no, I'm not down with that 00:50:49 hehe 00:50:59 :-) 00:51:25 party: any particular occasion? 00:51:56 I wish mozilla's jabbascript support didn't suck so much ass. 00:52:41 sbp: no 00:53:16 dogcow: but Mozilla DEFINES jabbascript! it is the standard! :-) 00:53:24 wmf: LOL 00:53:55 wmf: If "the standard" means "nothing that uses jabbascript works right", then I'd rather have non-standard software. 00:54:11 Using our phone switch's web interface from mozilla crashes moz *all* the time 00:54:16 and it's slowwwww 00:54:31 slow? welcome to Mozilla, buddy 00:54:50 Moz "slow" Illa 00:54:59 Esq. 00:55:04 some guys at work call it "Moozilla" 00:55:19 dogcow should call it Moofzilla 00:55:29 dogcow: you are not with the program. you're supposed to love the lizard 01:22:50 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.26.131) has joined #swhack 01:39:01 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:39:39 haha. gerald gets kicked off for being a spammer 01:40:01 haha. gerald gets kicked off for being a spammer 01:40:23 hmph, looks like vorpal rebooted. that sucks 01:40:29 this channel must be buggy; I hear an echo 01:41:15 heh 01:41:17 heh 01:41:19 can anyone tell me what my quit message was last night? 01:41:32 I didn't see it 01:41:49 I fed the nerogooglebot thing into the QDB 01:42:08 Connection reset by peer 01:42:33 deltab, hm. thanks 01:45:49 so i started reading "Machine Beauty" and I got an wonderful idea for a new program (as i do with all gelernter books...) so i decided to learn cocoa, which meant i'd have to learn C so I went downstairs and grabbed K&R off the shelf and started reading 01:48:54 heh 01:48:55 wheeeeeeee 01:53:10 AaronSw: did I tell you that Eric banned Gentoo in the Extreme Zone? 01:53:22 Wha? 01:53:40 (Eric == other Extreme mentor) 01:53:57 Why is somebody banning gentoo? 01:53:58 Extreme Zone, huh? I thought Eric liked Gentoo 01:54:03 NO RATIONAL THOUGHT ALLOWED 01:54:10 yeah, he did 01:54:21 apparently the Gentoo install virus was sucking productivity 01:54:25 heh heh 01:54:34 wmf, how is the gentoo install these days/ 01:54:35 ? 01:54:47 time-consuming 01:55:08 ahhh. 01:55:10 Fun! 01:55:11 hehe 01:57:04 I really should get that installed again. 01:58:53 .google pyrex 01:59:16 pyrex: http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~greg/python/Pyrex/ 01:59:36 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:59:41 is that the right url, deltab? 02:00:22 looks like it 02:03:39 [GlobalNotice] Hello all, this is MysticOne, one of the staff members here at OPN. I'm making this announcement to let everyone know that lilo's personal fund raising efforts are supported by the staff here at the network. However, this does not mean that we feel OPN exists to serve as a revenue stream for lilo. We do feel that he's put many years into this project, and any financial support you're able to give him as he works through these tough time 02:04:21 [GlobalNotice] ...tough times is justified. Why does this matter to us? Well ... lilo has always been the one with the vision for the network, the one with the plans of what we're here to do. They may not be written down in some formal document, they may not be numbered, on pretty paper, or published anywhere. But they're there, and we feel that lilo is an integral part of the future of this network. 02:04:53 [GlobalNotice] Would the Open Projects Network exist without lilo? Perhaps in some form or fashion. But I don't personally think it'd exist as it does now. We do have a goal, everyone, we do have a vision, and we, the staff of OPN, do share it. We don't desire that OPN be a place for personal fundraising, but deseperate times call for desperate measures, and we want lilo to get through this. 02:05:47 [GlobalNotice] (desperate even, excuse my spelling error). Many of us have even pledged our own money to help him to an extent. Should you support him as well? You, yourselves, know the answer to that. 02:06:19 [GlobalNotice] Open Projects will continue to be here as long as possible, as strong as possible, and as helpful as possible. We appreciate your support as always, and urge you to check with us fairly often to see what new projects and ideas we're developing. I thank you very much for your time in this matter, and wish everyone a pleasant evening. As always, we thank you for using the Open Projects Network. 02:10:40 hmm 02:10:46 * jeremiah is home from work (again) 02:11:12 if you're woked from home you wouldn't have to go home from work 02:11:18 um... 02:11:31 s/you're woked/you worked/ 02:11:37 * AaronSw woks sbp from home 02:11:47 sbp: yeah if there was a market for 16 year old programmers around this area working from home I just might 02:11:48 are you woked, everyobd? :-) 02:11:55 oh man, typing elggrorer! 02:12:39 J: you don't *tell* them how old you are 02:12:48 or you say that you're 61 and then blame it on a typo 02:13:25 sbp: actually it has nothing to do with my age 02:13:25 anyone know what change tracking in word docs looks like? 02:13:31 I did a huge job when I was 15 02:13:40 it has a lot to do with.. no one really hiring for what i want to do 02:14:34 aaronsw: lots of red and blue 02:14:57 (red for delete, blue for add) 02:15:24 interesting... 02:16:03 with IIRC deleted text also +strikeout 02:16:29 odd, i'm not seening it 02:16:36 old crappy text 02:16:40 i mean, i see it when i type 02:19:20 just checked: I was wrong about the color; color is supposed to indicate author. deleted text is shown in document font+strikeout, inserted text is underlined. 02:19:34 ah 02:19:41 heh: http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~greg/python/Plex/ 02:21:40 aha, smoking 02:35:42 aha! figured out the word thing... had to do some strange "View Comments" option 02:36:43 why the smeg are you using Word? 02:37:41 That's what I'd like to know! 02:37:52 For some reason people are sending out perfectly good text files as word documents 02:37:59 and then sending me responses using weird word features 02:38:01 lol: lol @ http://brad.project-think.com/images/TextEditSnap002.png 02:38:28 what app is that, wmf? 02:38:38 when people do that to me, I spit it back at them 02:38:56 AaronSw: I wanted to ask you the same thing 02:39:17 it looks like a Word file, but it says .txt at the top 02:39:34 i've not seen that message 02:39:49 or app icon 02:40:23 hm, #question is invite only too 02:40:31 why does lilo always do these things when i'm away? 02:41:34 deltab, i'd appreciate a log too if you have one... 02:43:23 tx, deltab 02:43:43 hehe 02:43:53 AaronSw: It wasn't any fun, he had it +m nearly the whole time. 02:52:49 GabeW (~chatzilla@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:52:53 heh: #1565: i ask for whole milk and people look at me like i wanna suck it right off the cow or something 02:54:44 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:01:29 LOL! http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?2056 03:17:50 GabeW has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") 03:39:53 joo r bein haX0red! 03:39:53 <[...]> sean, the english language has been raped online. 03:39:53 * sbp phears his own mighty l33t-speeking ways, sometimes 03:41:51 it's apt-get install, btw 03:42:16 tar 03:42:26 dogcow, i think deb is working on source builds now 03:42:52 AaronSw: 'working on source builds' meaning some people are getting it going, or it's a new feature? 03:43:15 On another note.. is debian in CVS? 03:43:26 well, all i know is someone filed critical bugs against all packages that couldnt automatically be built from source 03:43:53 dogcow, the packages themselves? i don't think so... no one wants to pay for the disk/bandwidth 03:44:06 No, I meant the source for the system. 03:44:11 Like the base. 03:44:58 yeah, i'm sure it's in cvs somewhere 03:45:12 Well, publically accessible, I should say. 03:45:17 They should really set up CVSup. 03:45:22 (cvsup ownz j00) 03:45:41 * AaronSw checks out cvs up 03:45:51 err, takes a look, not cos... 03:46:54 I wonder if there was any snorkeling at this ocean store update 03:47:05 esp monkeys... 03:47:27 AaronSw: CVSup makes it easy for tons of people to maintain local source repositories 03:47:45 well, mirror. 03:47:54 I wonder how hard it would be to write an IRC server that connected to multiple OPN servers and thus didn't netsplit 03:48:02 or you could just use BitKeeper 03:48:17 AaronSw: snorkeling in Tahoe? :-) 03:48:17 * dogcow launches ICBM's at wmf 03:48:27 wmf: A bunch of people in bsd land are using P4 03:48:53 Gotta run 03:49:39 dogcow: Perforce? why? 03:50:07 i wonder if anyone has jaguar lmbench numbers 03:50:21 wmf: Beats me. 03:50:21 heh 03:50:27 FreeBSD is going psycho these days. 03:50:30 just ask on AppleInsider and someone will run them for you 03:50:32 It's too bad, really :-( 03:50:52 wmf, has someone asked yet? 03:51:11 not that I've seen; that crowd probably doesn't know what lmbench is 03:51:58 i'll ask thinksecret. 03:52:51 altho you'd think that you could just cvs down the latest darwin... 03:53:42 is the latest darwin current or does it still lag the internal builds? 04:09:11 heh: "TLDs should be dealt with like usenet groups. Users want them, users have them. " 04:09:25 www.barnie.die.die.die coming soon 04:29:21 mmmm. train rides with 802.11 04:35:54 geez, doesn't anyone know that Swan invented the phone! 04:36:40 err, i mean gray 04:36:46 swan invented the light bulb 04:36:57 I heard Al Gore invented it 04:40:03 Elisha Gray had the first working telephone like 5 blocks away from my house, but he filed the patent two hours after Bell. 04:47:13 SPAM: Hit! (0.1 points) BODY: Uses words and phrases which indicate porn (10) 04:47:18 only 0.1 points? 04:47:39 i guess Justin gets a lot of email from people who talk like that... 04:48:01 you can change the values, y'know 04:48:21 just because it's about porn doesn't make it spam... it might be useful... 04:48:28 yeah, I know 04:48:46 ah, there are like 5 different porn matches 04:48:51 porn_1 is 3 points... 04:49:04 hmm... sexy pictures are 0 points 04:49:23 i think his genetic algorithm needs work 04:52:11 my machine is low power, so I think it's time for bed 04:52:29 hey, there's this thing called an outlet... 04:53:08 nah, once charge worth per day is enough of the computer 04:53:52 p2p-haxx0rs needs a bot that 0wns anyone who enters the channel 04:54:07 wmf has quit ("sleep is good") 04:54:10 i wonder if i can get those off the shelf 05:10:53 brb... reboot 05:33:45 hm, software update: 'The Networking Update improves network and Internet access after restarting your computer or when waking from sleep.' 06:16:33 argh, my Verdana is all screwed up 07:47:15 tav (tav@62.3.111.62) has joined #swhack 09:59:12 tansaku_xz (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 11:23:45 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020610]") 13:13:53 * sbp waves 13:57:42 hi 14:11:17 Anyone have any idea why when I rebooted Verdana looks awful? 14:14:14 Hm, anti-aliased Georgia 10 isn't so bad 14:17:17 odd, it's better now... 15:01:29 haha. teh lunix: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lunixmacosx/ 15:02:38 heh, heh 15:03:36 Dale@O'Reilly: "Over half the people in my group at O'Reilly have recently moved to Mac OS X from Windows machines--with the exception of one Linux user who made the move. Even more impressive, the new Mac OS X users bought the machines themselves." 15:11:44 Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 15:20:26 Aaron, is there any reason for logster? 15:20:56 Probably... 15:21:11 Oh, right -- I haven't merged the two sets of logs yet 15:21:13 so i can't redirect 15:21:37 could you merge them soon, please? 15:21:58 I also need to write a script for you that will take the [off] bits from the blogspace logs, and the # comments out of the HTML notabug logs 15:22:00 merging them is tricky and boring work... 15:22:21 in fact, for the former, you can just replace "#" with "\[off\]" in the program that I sent 15:22:48 sbp, someone in #redfoot is looking for an n3 parser 15:29:22 hm, this substring indexing thing looks harder than i expected 15:29:26 stupid closed-source apple 15:36:44 kensaku (~sam@h134-197.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:37:12 kensaku, why do you need two irc presences? 15:40:48 heh, someone spammed me to spam my library to buy their book 15:41:53 heh 15:54:51 tansaku_xz has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:58:14 hm: http://pycaml.sourceforge.net/ 15:58:20 tav might like that 15:59:35 ooh: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=mailman.1023468735.788.python-list%40python.org 16:00:10 jeremiah has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:00:12 ooh: http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/whatsnew/ 16:00:53 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:01:27 more generators? http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/whatsnew/ 16:01:45 oh, it's the same 16:02:10 ooh, universal newline 16:04:53 heh. Boolean arithmetic 16:05:01 True * 75 = 75 16:39:03 BenSw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:39:22 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:44:46 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 16:45:00 * wmf looks at the topic 16:45:02 nooooooo 16:45:24 ('swhack) 16:47:01 Seth has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:47:12 TEH WMF1 16:47:48 seent this? http://www.msnbc.com/news/770511.asp 16:50:02 no... who's in that photo? 16:50:23 maybe people will listen to Steven Levy and Markoff... 16:50:29 who cares about the photo? the apocalypse is coming 16:51:32 AAAAAhhRHRJEk, 16:51:47 wtf? PKC==DRM?? 16:52:07 j00 @re 0wned! 16:53:03 "Each item's rdf:resource {item_uri} must be the same as the associated item element's rdf:about {item_uri}." 16:53:07 oops, wrong chan 16:53:35 aha, i get Aahz's rule 6 reference 16:54:24 hm: http://www.rahul.net/aahz/eff.html 17:00:09 i wiash that msnbc page wasn't formatted so horribly. 17:10:29 ooh: "The strip(), lstrip(), and rstrip() string methods now have an optional argument for specifying the characters to strip." - http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/whatsnew/node8.html 17:20:44 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. I have a website up at http://lilo.sargasso.net/ explaining my current situation. I'm asking for help on a personal basis to keep working as OPN head of staff and to finish setting up the nonprofit corp. Please take a look, and thanks. 17:31:01 kham (pawn@adsl-64-109-202-30.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 17:31:28 kham has left #swhack 17:34:48 kham (pawn@adsl-64-109-202-30.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 18:05:29 * AaronSw writes an RNG in cocoa 18:05:31 that was easy! 18:08:08 * AaronSw -> yard work (bleech!) 18:08:16 well, i didn't write the PRNG, but i wrote the interface to it 18:08:28 yeah, yeah, it makes easy things easy 18:19:41 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.26.131) has joined #swhack 18:20:15 hey gac 18:21:00 good evening 18:25:14 justme (~justme@i0061.vwa.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 18:37:24 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020610]") 18:39:59 AaronSw: you got swhacked on HTP 18:55:45 @ http://members.aol.com/obeythesociety/raidpod.jpg 18:55:49 A: http://members.aol.com/obeythesociety/raidpod.jpg from wmf 19:00:39 swhacked? 19:00:54 similar to being smacked 19:05:25 A:|The New RAIDPod 19:05:27 titled item A 19:07:32 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #swhack 19:07:39 talli has left #swhack 19:28:37 @ http://www.research.microsoft.com/~rcutler/ringcam/ringcam.htm 19:28:44 B: RingCam from wmf 19:43:19 justme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:50:38 tav has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:05:20 wmf has quit ("lunch") 20:21:56 anyone know bitsko's email? 20:52:16 mali[x] (~malitux@81.22.67.12) has joined #swhack 20:56:55 doid (~chatzilla@host217-39-60-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 20:57:03 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 20:57:19 (swhack) 20:57:39 Happy day! I have KnowNow running under Debain! 20:57:54 (just had to tell someone that) 20:58:09 er, Debian 20:59:24 hey doid 20:59:28 ooh, KNDebian 20:59:30 (wmf) 20:59:37 [wmf hello]; 20:59:46 * AaronSw is learning Obj-C 20:59:49 KnowNow is still around? (duck) 21:00:01 They're not, but doid is. :) 21:00:23 Hehe, I've not found anything else that does the job 22:18:08 is it just me or did someone hijack wallops 22:18:13 mali[x] has left #swhack 22:19:06 ah: 01:59:36 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:19:16 hey, it's your server. don't blame us :-) 22:20:29 no, not walloper 22:20:38 i have it set to message me personally now 22:20:43 ugh 22:21:05 would you rather it be here? 22:21:15 well, I can set +w for now 22:21:17 he did some weird anti-lilo thing 22:21:25 who did? 22:21:30 see, I've missed all the action now! 22:21:35 spice, the wallops hijacker 22:21:43 I have a 3 week old baby, recently had to take a job that pays 25% less than it used to, have a $500 electricity bill and am a month behind in my mortgage payments. I have provided hosting, hardware and bandwidth for linux.org.au and jordan.openprojects.net for over 5 years. SEND ME MONEY 22:21:43 No 22:21:43 This is important 22:21:43 and its NOT ON 22:21:44 the begging stops, or Australia delinks 22:21:46 I've been on this network over 6 years 22:21:48 and I'm not here to be a bloody fundraiser 22:21:50 No, not operwall, this affects everyone 22:21:52 http://void.printf.net/~chris/petition.pl <-- Petition 22:22:04 ooh, weird 22:22:10 * AaronSw -> Minority Report 22:22:26 in 2002, wallop war was beginning... 22:22:46 you get servers falling out with the staff every now and then 22:56:29 tav (tav@62.3.111.62) has joined #swhack 23:07:49 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:08:09 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:10:04 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:10:24 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:10:50 sbp` (sbp@80.1.85.107) has joined #swhack 23:12:20 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:12:40 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:14:35 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:14:45 argh 23:15:38 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:15:58 don't make me splutch you, dircproxy 23:16:31 sbp! why are you filling up our screens with crap? 23:18:08 ask Aaron 23:18:23 he's not here, so I have to abuse you 23:18:45 not a good idea. there are two of me, and only one of you 23:18:48 yeah 23:19:06 I'm sure Ash will back me up 23:19:31 heh, heh 23:19:53 I think dp folds when you join 10+ channels