00:04:28 anthron (lordanthro@ACA54483.ipt.aol.com) has joined #swhack 00:05:32 anthron has left #swhack 00:06:47 lordanthron from aol. 00:06:48 * Morbus groans. 00:42:36 Gotta run 00:43:57 MorbusIff (morbus@s101.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:54:42 Morbus has quit (No route to host) 01:07:40 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.24.34) has joined #swhack 01:13:52 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. I've published the reasons for my appeal on OPN over on http://somegeek.org/why.html . Please take a look. The site might be a bit lagged off and on. Thanks. 01:29:30 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just to mention. If you've tried to get the site, it's on my DSL and it gets pretty booked up. Try again when you get a chance. Thanks. (http://somegeek.org/why.html) 01:45:08 sorry, was at family time 01:46:05 hey AaronSw 01:46:25 wmf! 01:46:45 good NY Times link; I'm surprised no one else has picked it up 01:47:16 ah, the TCB one 01:47:38 yeah, i subscribed to the new york times "articles on freedom" list, get all sorts of neat things 01:49:49 MorbusIff has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:51:11 Rebecca Blood sent me a free copy of her book 01:51:25 she has a book 01:51:27 ? 01:51:51 yep 01:52:22 i can't understand why farber is for DRM 01:52:34 is he actually evil and i've just been misinformed? i thought he was supposed to be a good guy 01:52:54 I don't know 01:53:07 maybe he believes non-evil DRM is possible 01:53:39 do you really need "Practical Advice On Creating And Maintaining Your Blog"? 01:53:55 heh 01:54:03 or is she just trying to buy out the winerists? 01:54:30 (I really invented weblogs! Mwhahaa!) 01:54:37 if I wrote a book, I'd send copies to my friends 01:55:29 oh right, you're part of that whole i-got-drunk-in-bruce-sterling's-house clique 01:55:46 Rebecca and I go back farther than that 01:56:01 oh yeah? 01:56:15 think I-got-drunk-at-Deepleap's-dotcom-launch-party clique 01:56:29 wow, Deepleap. those were the days 01:57:15 woo, serial ATA is almost here! 01:57:28 heh 01:58:44 whoa. people remember deepleap. 01:59:09 hi gac, nice to meet you 01:59:22 i'm Aaron Swartz, http://aaronsw.com/ 01:59:41 I am one of those I-got-drunk-at-deepleap's-dotcom-launch-party elitists 01:59:50 all right 02:00:08 deepleap 02:00:09 yeah 02:00:09 now wes get's to play name-that-drunken-fool! 02:00:13 @ http://www.dumbwarnings.com/readercomments/electronics_blockbuster.htm 02:00:19 heh 02:00:24 A: Dumb Warnings from AaronSw 02:00:24 the LITTLE BROWSER WINDOW THINGEY AS A BUSINESS MODEL 02:00:25 wheeeee 02:00:31 that reminds me of the famous photo from that party 02:00:40 oh? 02:00:51 A:|Dumb Warnings: Blockbuster Insists DVDs Must Be Rewound 02:00:57 titled item A 02:01:11 pointer to famouys photo? 02:01:15 me and Sarah Bruner; afterwards she had no recollection of meeting me 02:02:02 .google SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner 02:02:04 SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner: http://www.bradlands.com/scrapbooks/sxsw2002/bbwb-06.shtml 02:02:20 nope, that's not it 02:02:27 http://bryanboyer.com/sxsw00/ 02:02:29 .google SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner deepleap 02:02:31 SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner deepleap: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=SXSW%20Wes%20Felter%20Sarah%20Bruner%20deepleap 02:02:33 photos from the party there 02:02:48 AaronSw, your bot is broken 02:02:53 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Thanks for your kind words and support. The page is being mirrored on http://lilo.sargasso.net/ which should have considerably more bandwidth. 02:03:08 wmf, good point. i forgot to add the no results option 02:05:14 * AaronSw fixes 02:05:22 .googlecount SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner deepleap: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=SXSW%20Wes%20Felter%20Sarah%20Bruner%20deepleap 02:05:23 SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner deepleap: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=SXSW%20Wes%20Felter%20Sarah%20Bruner%20deepleap: 0 02:05:39 datum has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:05:45 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 02:05:47 .google SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner deepleap 02:05:50 SXSW Wes Felter Sarah Bruner deepleap: sorry, no results were found. 02:06:50 happy now? 02:07:06 yeah, that looks more reasonable 02:07:29 Hm, have there been any wallops? I wonder if the wallop functionality is working. 02:07:55 there was one 02:08:34 modebind (~upskirt@200-168-105-27.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #swhack 02:08:41 one tonight? gyess it's not working :( 02:09:15 I've seen 3 in the last few hours 02:09:34 i think you're thinking of globalmessages 02:09:55 I don't know the difference 02:10:14 one starts with [GlobalNotice] 02:10:41 all lilo spam goes in the same mental category for me 02:12:36 modebind has quit () 02:12:38 [GlobalNotice] Hmmm, final message for a while. http://lilo.sargasso.net/ has been reloaded with the proper page. Thanks. 02:14:23 whiny loser category 02:14:39 you're just smug because you have a job 02:14:50 I have no respect for jobby-job people like you. 02:15:04 Sitting there all day, doing stuff you're told to. Bleh. 02:15:34 Nah, I'd rather be... a lumberja... I mean writer! 02:15:38 LOL 02:15:51 I gave in and bought the Salmon of Doubt tonight. 02:15:55 I put on women's clothing.. and hang around in bars! 02:16:09 lol @ jobby-job 02:16:12 Heh, did you see my "I'm an espian and i'm ok" parody? 02:16:18 No! 02:16:19 URL? 02:16:25 anybody here used Gentoo? it's going around at the office? 02:16:34 wmf: I used a previous version, it was pretty kickass. 02:16:44 wmf: But then I'm a freebsd junkie, so it's to be expected. 02:16:49 Their ports system is really good. 02:16:51 hmm, why did I use a question mark there? 02:17:11 wmf: My theory is that your brain is losing fluid. 02:17:17 noooo 02:17:28 * Ash-w adds some castrol GTX to wmf's brain cavity 02:17:39 -- 02:17:39 I never really wanted to be an espian. I always wanted to be... a lumberjack! 02:17:39 Oh, I'm an espian and I'm OK! 02:17:39 I work all night and I sleep all day! 02:17:40 I crash new servers, I write my code 02:17:40 I rmdir lost+found 02:17:42 On sunday's I go bowling, 02:17:44 And convert dollars to pounds 02:17:46 hahahah 02:17:48 I better stop before I get beaten up. 02:17:50 -- 02:17:55 LOL 02:17:56 that's great. 02:17:57 heh, losing fluid 02:19:00 yeah, gentoo is like the low-cut jeans of the linux world 02:19:08 today Tony installed Gentoo without reading the docs 02:19:33 I can't imagine how many times he's installed it before 02:19:52 * AaronSw notes he installed Mac OS X without reading the docs 02:20:12 but i gave in and read the docs because they were so freakin' pretty 02:23:33 hm, http://members.aol.com/MystSequel6/mudpie/intro1.html and such still work 02:23:43 yeah, it's weird 02:24:07 I want my mudpie rumors! 02:25:13 ooh, i've been blogged 02:25:38 I was going to go on about the analogy, but realized it would involve talking about the rear-ends of unix-users. 02:26:00 you just don't want to go there 02:26:07 no, i don't 02:26:17 but i'm sure salon.com will 02:45:00 BenSw (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:45:42 tansaku_xe (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 02:47:23 Hello 02:56:04 am i the only one who finds it ironic that the BSD license is "viral"? 02:56:44 BenSw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:57:09 in what way? 02:57:32 all modified versions must include the same copyright notice 02:58:16 that's not viral 02:58:26 why not? 02:58:38 it infects modified versions, but not binaries... 02:58:53 because it doesn't expand to cover other source files 02:59:23 yeah, it's a LGPL-level of "infection" 02:59:42 i.e. none 03:00:14 well, it depends what oyu mean by viral. it's certainly rather copyleft 03:00:48 it's not copyleft, because you can add arbitrary additional copyright notices 03:02:34 Hm, yeah. I still think that people use licenses as shorthand for intentions 03:02:41 thus, i believe in haiku licenses 03:03:17 you can copy this / but make modified versions / free in source code form 03:04:09 if you touch this file / my lawyers will come kill you / so kindly refrain 03:04:51 * jeremiah is back (gone 07:14:28) 03:04:54 hullo 03:05:06 if you use this code / you and your children's children / must make your source free 03:05:19 what's wrong with that? 03:05:45 hmm well the last one was sorta evil 03:06:32 my hands are gloriously clean 03:06:36 I washed dishes for 4 hours today 03:08:01 fun 03:08:06 oh yeah 03:10:24 should make some test code for this plesh stuff so I can start like 8 servers and have them play around 03:10:24 we have errors but I can't figure out what they are right now 03:11:03 I wonder if there's a way to disable Classic... 03:11:12 I thought there was 03:11:21 I haven't seen it start in forever 03:11:27 but maybe I just only use new apps 03:14:16 delete it? 03:14:28 that'd make entirely too much sense 03:17:13 too distructive for my taste 03:18:01 BenSw (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:19:33 who's steve? 03:19:37 on the plesh site 03:20:07 redmonk 03:20:16 my friends shared an elevator with Jim Kimsey this weekend 03:20:18 I was sorta jealous 03:20:42 destruction! 03:21:17 now I thought steve case was the ceo of aol 03:21:21 but apparently it's kimsey 03:25:28 [off] so apparently my new boss is one of the kennedys, or so it seems being that he's 1) a polotician 2) named kennedy 3) from mass 03:40:31 AaronSw: when I have one node with id 1 and one with id 20 they seem to look for nodes with ids at 2, 3, 5, 9 and 17, why is that? 03:40:58 that's how the chord algorithm works 03:41:02 ok 03:41:12 where in the finger class would that code be? do you remember? 03:41:14 it's just for initialization 03:41:33 because it seems that the notifying isn't working properly 03:41:38 so i'm trying to debug it 03:41:43 which notifying? 03:41:46 when I add a third node we get endless loops 03:41:52 ah, yes 03:42:04 node 1 tells node 2 it's there and everything is fine 03:42:29 node 3 joins to node 2 and then asks node 1 for node 3's sucessor and node 1 doesn't seem to know about node 2 03:42:33 -> #semplesh, pls 03:51:42 thelsdj has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04:00:11 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:05:12 wmf has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 BenSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 tansaku_xe has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 datum has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 gac has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 Ash has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 pixel has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 uberfunk has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:12 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:05:39 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 BenSw (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 tansaku_xe (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.24.34) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 04:06:05 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:07:35 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Two main rotations in the same area of the country just stuttered. We're watching it. 04:08:47 [GlobalNotice] Sorry all, that was unclear. Two OPN main rotation servers in the same geographical area just pinged out and returned. We're looking at it. 04:23:49 BenSw|Bandersnat (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:29:22 wmf has quit ("BitchX: shaken, not stirred") 04:29:28 Hello 04:29:29 tansaku_xe has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 04:29:53 BenSw has quit ("blah blah blah") 04:30:05 BenSw|Bandersnat is now known as BenSw 04:46:54 eikeon_ (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:46:54 eikeon has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:00:44 eikeon_ has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:04:13 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:13 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:13 gac has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:13 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:14 Ash has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:14 pixel has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:14 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:14 uberfunk has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:14 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:04:14 datum has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:05:10 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.24.34) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 05:05:10 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:08:13 BenSw has quit (Remote closed the connection) 05:31:28 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 gac has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 Ash has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 pixel has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 uberfunk has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:31:28 datum has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:32:17 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.24.34) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 05:32:17 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:38:49 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to try moving a server or two. High impact. Please bear with us. 05:42:56 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 gac has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 Ash has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 pixel has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 uberfunk has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:42:56 datum has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:43:40 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.24.34) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 05:43:40 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:45:20 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We've rehubbed both of the problem servers but aren't sure the new hubbing will be more stable. We'll have to see how it goes. 05:51:53 * AaronSw -> sleep 06:44:58 tansaku_xe (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 07:10:28 tansaku_xe has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:10:47 tansaku_xe (~sam@n146-197.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 08:13:50 thelsdj (~adam@p32.tc3.rnktel.net) has joined #swhack 09:23:57 tansaku_xl (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 09:33:47 kensaku (~sam@h133-051.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 09:42:01 tansaku_xe has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:49:25 tansaku_xl has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:34:12 tansaku_xs (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:36:30 tansaku_xs has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:37:07 tansaku_xs (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:58:45 kensaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:03:09 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]") 11:09:43 morning all. 11:52:14 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:21:05 uberfunk has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:44:02 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 13:10:31 tansaku_xz (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 13:27:00 tansaku_xs has quit (Connection timed out) 13:32:28 * Seth waves to sean 13:47:21 lol: 'Another gripe: Spirit, Southwest Airlines' in-flight magazine, had a piece this month complaining about how most Americans can't identify the Constitution's guarantee of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Maybe that's because it was the Declaration of Independence.' 13:47:21 BenSw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:03:15 Merdal (~fdsf@217.131.17.31) has joined #swhack 14:05:43 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're in the middle of fundraising. You'll probably see a couple of global notices per day. Current status: we need about $11,877 more to reach our goal. http://lilo.sargasso.net .... there's more detail on WALLOPS if you want to see things happening, just +w your client. Thanks. 14:07:42 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 14:17:00 "I don't understand why Yosh and Uzi and other people I know are so comfortable down in Southern California. But Public Opinion here in San Francisco is pretty soundly against Southern California as a concept. " 14:17:18 i can tell 14:17:21 :) 14:26:48 Merdal has quit () 14:29:26 Lessig, on why he got interested in technology: "the conferences had better coffee." 14:29:37 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Lessig, on why he went into technology: "the conferences had better coffee." 15:16:30 Hi all. Clarification, and I'll add it to the site page later. The purpose of this fundraising is to keep me going while I work on finishing up the nonprofit setup (501c3) and begin to raise funds. The contributions are going directly to me, not to the nonprofit, which is not ready to accept them. Thanks. 15:20:31 fucking psycho 15:24:56 Thanks to another contributor and to everybody so far! Current status: we need about $11,858 to reach the goal of $12,000. http://lilo.sargasso.net/ 15:48:52 DDiego (~Disidents@62-36-145-90.dialup.uni2.es) has joined #swhack 15:48:53 This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode -w'. Thanks. 15:49:49 For the time being, expect to see detailed messages about the state of fundraising here, and you may not want to have wallops on if it's a problem. Thanks. 16:00:14 datum has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:00:23 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:02:48 DDiego has left #swhack 16:08:13 * Seth waves urgently to sean 16:55:29 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:56:32 eikeon has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:00:44 eikborg (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:04:19 sbp, your timeNow is broken 17:05:43 .go 17:05:51 eikborg has quit ("bye bye!") 17:06:34 eikborg (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:07:33 eikborg is now known as grrrrrrrr 17:07:42 talilee (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 17:07:45 grrrrrrr! 17:07:49 grrrrrrrr is now known as eikborg 17:08:21 eikborg! 17:08:29 Yes :) 17:12:59 talilee has left #swhack 17:22:14 hey, AaronSw, here's one for the quote db ;) 17:22:15 [[[ 17:22:15 [14:21] <@Morbus> tell me something exciting. 17:22:15 [14:21] the cow jumped over the moon. 17:22:15 [14:22] <@Morbus> and shat on the earth. 17:22:15 [14:22] <@Morbus> and that's why I look like this. 17:22:16 [14:23] <@Morbus> fucking cow. 17:22:18 ]]] 17:30:19 eikborg has quit ("bye bye!") 17:30:30 eikborg (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:30:38 grrrrrr! 17:30:56 grrR? 17:50:11 justme (~justme@rot2-p0580.dial.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 17:58:37 GabeW (gwachob@dhcp-7.danastreet.live.com) has joined #swhack 18:11:21 * sbp waves 18:11:24 what's that about timeNow? 18:15:17 .time cst 18:15:17 Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:15:47 CST 18:15:22 it's 2:15 here 18:15:30 it doesn't seem to account for daylight 18:15:33 savings time 18:15:42 ah, no. it doesn't. didn't expect it to 18:15:50 .time cdt 18:15:50 Sorry, I don't know about time zone CDT. 18:16:05 .time you don't support dst, loser 18:16:16 note that America moves over to DST at a different time to Britain, AFAIK 18:16:23 yes, it does 18:16:27 and I'm not sure when those times are, so I didn't bother to implement them 18:16:43 i think python knows... you had a link earlier 18:16:59 there's a cool mx package for times and stuff 18:17:00 ah: http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html 18:17:06 yeah, was looking at it 18:17:09 I was going to use that, but it'd have been a hassle 18:17:13 it says that the C doesn't have any timezone stuff in it 18:17:16 hassle: why? 18:17:37 I'd have to have downloaded it, read the documentation... so much effort 18:17:43 heh 18:18:48 anyway, dinner time 18:18:49 Gotta run 18:20:41 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. I'm currently asking for help from the users. The information is on http://lilo.sargasso.net/ . Please take a look. Thanks. 18:20:56 he was sure on long 18:32:43 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 18:35:55 datum has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:38:38 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 18:41:15 .time edt 18:41:15 Sorry, I don't know about time zone EDT. 18:41:19 .time cdt 18:41:19 Sorry, I don't know about time zone CDT. 18:41:47 * AaronSw takes advantage of mxDateTime's table: 18:41:47 {'KST': 9, 'CADT': 10.5, 'EETDST': 3, 'MESZ': 2, 'WADT': 9, 'EET': 2, 'MST': -7, 'WAST': 8, 'IST': 5.5, 'B': 2, 'MSK': 3, 'X': -11, 'MSD': 4, 'CETDST': 2, 'AST': -4, 'HKT': 8, 'JST': 9, 'CAST': 9.5, 'CET': 1, 'CEST': 2, 'EEST': 3, 'EAST': 10, 'METDST': 2, 'MDT': -6, 'A': 1, 'UTC': 0, 'ADT': -3, 'EST': -5, 'E': 5, 'D': 4, 'G': 7, 'F': 6, 'I': 9, 'H': 8, 'K': 10, 'PDT': -7, 'M': 12, 'L': 11, 'O': -2, 'MEST': 2, 'Q': -4, 'P': -3, 'S': -6, 'R': -5, 'U': -8, 'T': 18:41:47 ADT': 11, 'Z': 0, 'GMT': 0, 'WETDST': 1, 'C': 3, 'WEST': 1, 'CDT': -5, 'MET': 1, 'N': -1, 'V': -9, 'EDT': -4, 'UT': 0, 'PST': -8, 'MEZ': 1} 18:50:55 Current status is about $11,845 from the goal of raising $12,000. Thanks to our evening contributors and to everyone who has helped. http://lilo.sargasso.net/ 18:52:09 wow, wallops is quite a source of income 18:52:35 This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode -w'. Thanks. 18:54:01 datum has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:54:23 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 18:54:30 * AaronSw wonders why datum isn't seeing wallops 18:54:42 .time cdt 18:54:42 Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:55:13 CDT 18:59:13 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 18:59:13 BenSw has quit ("Client Exiting") 19:01:43 pixel has quit ("Leaving, Swiging My Piece of Ass. http://www.perceive.net") 19:02:42 what is it with pixel and his ass swiging? 19:02:53 .google "Swiging My Piece of Ass" 19:02:54 "Swiging My Piece of Ass": sorry, no results were found. 19:04:40 Gotta run 19:05:00 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 19:33:34 Ash-w has changed the topic to: LIELO, PANHANDLER OF THE NEW MILLENIUM 19:33:34 * eikborg noted new topic 19:34:09 heh 19:34:18 AaronSw has changed the topic to: * eikborg noted new topic: "* eikborg noted new topic" 19:34:18 * eikborg noted new topic 19:37:03 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 19:38:27 daves home. 19:39:59 wow 19:40:33 [off] i sure hope he didn't try and shoot himself too 19:40:43 [off] heh! 19:40:59 [off] it's not funny 19:41:19 [off] the thought of dave shooting himself is funny, because he never would. he's far stronger alive. 19:41:28 [off] it's an irony I find chuckable. 19:41:34 [off] er, a contrast. 19:41:39 [off] you know. 19:43:35 heh: "Can semen cure the blues? A researcher says male ejaculate may act as an antidepressant -- but other scientists aren't swallowing his theory." 19:44:16 ooh. http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992441 19:45:32 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:46:27 Hello 19:48:21 AaronSw, any thoughts on XFML? 19:49:26 hm, hadn't seen it 19:49:34 [off] so I'm really f-ing curious what happened to dave 19:49:40 http://xfml.org/ 19:49:51 [off] I as well. did you see the winerlog thing about the "condition" spin? 19:50:17 justme_ (~justme@p4388.vwr.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 19:54:48 http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/06/20/1023864460978.html 19:55:28 And he added: "But there's no need to worry, as although they can escape they are perfectly harmless and won't be taking over just yet." 19:55:35 JUST YET?! 19:56:11 :-) 19:56:22 19:56:32 that's kinda cool, though. 19:56:40 [off] now why would jrobb update his site to add 'but hoarse' 19:56:50 [off] yeah, exactly. 19:57:00 [off] its like "ok, ease their fears, but make sure it's not TOO good of an ease". 19:57:19 AaronSw: ever done stuff with voice xml and phone systems? 19:57:30 i've been thinking of an amphetadesk gateway. 19:57:36 [off] so... I think it was a heart attack 19:57:42 people call in, pick a site, get the news. 19:57:44 yeah, actually... 19:57:48 [off] if I wasn't a nice soul I'd start a pool to guess what it was 19:57:54 [off] heh, heh. 19:58:19 AaronSw: I was actually contacted a year ago to hook AmphetaDesk up that way to some company. 19:58:23 but they never followed through. 19:58:28 now, i'm thinking its a decent idea. 19:58:28 interesting 19:58:46 i've done some stuff with tellme studio 19:58:48 wasn't there some blogger a while back that did something like that? 19:58:57 yep, kottke/osil8 19:59:05 yeah, exaclty 19:59:16 voicexml is pretty easy -- just another xml format 19:59:21 tellme? 19:59:37 it'd be very very easy to create a template in ampheta to spit out the parsed rss in any format. 19:59:49 heh, heh @ "but other scientists aren't swallowing his theory" 19:59:51 i've actually been designing a "check these items, create an rss 1.0 feed" sorta thing. 19:59:57 and it's really really really simple. 20:00:15 if I exported a voicexml, how would that hook into tellme? i know nothing about it. 20:00:36 You give tellme a URL to a voicexml file on your server 20:00:43 sbp: you gotta wonder why with the amount of men in science and the computer buisness they ever use the term swallow 20:00:47 when you call tellme it GETs the URL and follows the instructions 20:00:52 aahhh. 20:00:57 so, that'd be really really simple to do. 20:00:57 then it follows links based on waht the users says/dials 20:01:04 yep 20:01:20 is it a freebie sorta thing? like, if i exported 100 voicexml files, how easy would it be for the user to pick one? 20:01:34 heh, that escaping robot this is hillarious 20:01:39 s/this/thing/ 20:01:40 isn't it? 20:01:47 i think it's free still. you basically get a 5-digit number the user dials 20:01:51 "freeeeeeeedom!" 20:01:55 an extension 20:01:58 "NooOOOO! I smart robot! i survive! gaak five is alive!" 20:01:59 20:02:04 heh! 20:02:24 AaronSw: we should hook something up as an experiment. that'd be super neat. 20:04:25 get on the phone to AmphetaDesk now: just call hot-sexy-AmphetaDesk chat on 1-900-RSSCUM 20:04:28 Morbus, yeah... "get gamegrene from your phone!" 20:04:30 "ewwwww! i've got gamgrene on my mouth" 20:05:08 where RSSCUM is short for "RSS-cue me", i.e. from not having any news feeds. ahem 20:05:21 heh, heh. 20:05:32 AaronSw: think of it! "the latest google news, through the phone!" 20:05:36 i mean, what greater way to demo the idea. 20:05:43 everyone loves google, and you're flipping site. 20:05:48 um... Google already have that service, don't they? 20:05:49 heh 20:05:52 through Google labs? 20:06:07 yeah, but this is bootstrap. bootstrap is way cooler than inbred. 20:06:08 sheesh. 20:06:12 ah. sorry 20:06:22 Morbus has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 20:06:22 walloper has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 20:06:23 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 20:06:35 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:06:59 justme has quit (No route to host) 20:07:35 * Morbus grumbles 20:08:59 Morbus, /server carter.openprojects.net 20:09:13 uh. 20:09:18 Morbus has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:09:32 um, he was supposed to come back... 20:09:41 heh, heh 20:09:52 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:10:03 mmkay. 20:10:50 heh, heh: 21:10:02 um, he was supposed to come back... 20:10:58 i couldn't find my flippign console window ;) 20:13:16 AaronSw, you got linked on webword.com 20:13:19 google. 20:13:30 ooooh 20:23:45 justme_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:31:05 heh: http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=minn&itemid=140883 20:34:43 * AaronSw -> bike 20:37:03 Hi all. One of our main rotation servers, devlin.openprojects.net, was just taken out of the lineup with a bit less notice than we normally expect, due to some mixups. It was not full, fortunately, as it was functioning in a backup capacity. But thanks to scoop of freshmeat.net/OSDN for having provided it, we appreciate it a lot. 20:38:33 don't forget to send money. 20:41:52 BWAHAHAH 20:41:53 http://lightningfield.com/ 20:41:56 top picture. 20:41:59 man, that tickles me. 20:42:04 $100 (no kidding!) 20:42:15 oh man. heh. 20:42:43 Morbus is about to blow a funny fuse 20:42:58 you don't think that's comical? sheesh. 20:43:15 i mean, they could flipping ebay for 20 of those monkies for cheaper 20:43:55 I'm saying that it's so funny that you're about to do a cartman 20:44:07 screw you, sbp. i'm going home. 20:44:11 (in 15 minutes) 20:44:14 heh, heh 20:44:28 Stan: but, Cartman! 20:44:37 Cartman: er: screw you guys. home 20:53:28 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:53:55 Hi all. Current status is about $11,765 from the goal of raising $12,000. Representing a bit under $100 worth of contribution so far from night users. We also have about $110 total outstanding in uncleared contributions and pledges. Thanks, everybody. http://lilo.sargasso.net/ 21:00:05 .google Python CMS 21:00:06 Python CMS: http://www.la-grange.net/cms 21:00:27 what's somewhat neat 21:01:09 Dear dairy: give me some milk 21:29:51 well i got a sailor agent to read N3 .... now off to the salt mines 21:29:52 eikborg has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:41:45 Current status is about $11,751 from the goal of raising $12,000. Still at $110 in uncleared contribs and pledges. Thanks everyone! http://lilo.sargasso.net/ 22:02:45 hang on... they were at 11845, then 11765, and now 11751... 22:02:49 where's all the money going? 22:02:56 what's walloper raising money for? 22:02:58 to support the irc network? 22:03:02 yeah 22:03:09 visit http://lilo.sargasso.net/ ! 22:03:16 if i had more than 3 bucks in my paypal account... 22:03:18 gah. didn't you see the messages? :-) 22:03:20 heh, heh 22:05:16 yeah I just sorta tune most of irc out 22:05:27 whoop, time to go on a date, the later I'm back the better the date went... heh 22:05:35 heh, heh 22:05:38 have fun 22:05:58 seeya 22:06:05 thanks 22:06:08 * jeremiah is out 22:07:08 c'ya 22:07:18 wb 22:07:58 hm. it isn't sending wallops because it isn't seeing them 22:08:15 you're folding walloper into datum? 22:08:52 /mode datum +w 22:08:56 yeah 22:09:15 i know, but it was supposed to do it automatically 22:09:18 time to read the rfc 22:09:46 I think that we should have one all-purpose bot 22:09:53 fold loggy and chumpy into it too 22:09:59 yeah, i plan too 22:10:03 ooh! 22:10:16 * sbp was kidding, but O.K. 22:10:22 heh 22:10:46 it'll probably never happen, but i can plan 22:10:50 right 22:11:02 a multi-channel py logger would be nice tho, that might happen 22:11:04 planning is nearly as good as doing when it comes to IRC bots 22:11:17 yeah 22:11:36 the thing is, logster can't be all that complicated, surely? 22:13:56 yeah, i'm not sure why it's so long 22:13:57 must be perl 22:15:14 heh, heh 22:24:56 should i have the wallops msged just to me instead of the channel? 22:25:49 AaronSw: Nah, they're funnier this way. 22:26:08 ok, that's another vote in favor of privmsgs... 22:26:16 to me 22:26:18 bwuckle 22:26:26 LOL 22:26:27 .wn bwuckle 22:26:28 Sorry, I couldn't find bwuckle in WordNet. 22:26:34 .wn LILO SUCKS ASS 22:26:35 LILO SUCKS ASS is defined as:- 22:26:36 1. (trademark) a type of inflatable air mattress 22:26:38 bwahahaha+chuckle 22:26:42 lol! 22:26:43 lol 22:27:07 honest, i don't write this stuff, i just parse it 22:27:25 summer's coming: get your "lilo sucks ass" before the hosepipe bans kick in! 22:27:46 OH MAN 22:27:46 AHAHAHAH 22:28:05 Ash-w has changed the topic to: LILO SUCKS ASS is defined as: 1. (trademark) a type of inflatable air mattress 22:28:06 weird. i don't see it on the website... 22:28:41 oh... 22:31:09 datum has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:36:05 datum (~datum@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 22:36:08 .wn lilo is cool 22:36:11 Sorry, I couldn't find lilo is cool in WordNet. 22:36:29 .wn fanboy 22:36:31 Sorry, I couldn't find fanboy in WordNet. 22:36:46 AaronSw has changed the topic to: LILO is defined as: 1. (trademark) a type of inflatable air mattress 22:37:53 ironically, by removing "SUCKS ASS" from the topic, the topic now SUCKS ASS 22:39:30 well, i had to keep it up-to-date with the codebase 22:39:44 yeah. right. blame the codebase 22:39:45 :-) 22:40:02 lame 22:40:02 bad docs are worse than no docs and all that 22:40:26 AaronSw has changed the topic to: ASH-W IS DEFYNED AS "lame"!!!*!&*!^&!&*!*(! 22:40:37 heh, that's more like it 22:43:21 argh. it's impossible to get on the 25 quotes page anymore. the quotes just don't change since everybody goes to the top page and votes for them 22:43:36 they should hide the link for a while or make it harder to find 22:44:24 or just remove the + voting link 22:45:16 heh, heh: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6906 22:45:24 "Quote not found" 22:45:35 what was that? 22:46:00 that was the "hey, let's make a quote to put in the quotes database, and then get voted down to -25!" quote 22:46:09 heh 22:46:13 few too many SUX 22:46:17 yeah... 22:47:51 heh, 461 22:48:22 heh 22:49:59 heh: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?1971 22:51:04 heh: 6706 22:51:35 this is like the joke about the information theorists 22:52:12 heh, oh man: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?2708 22:52:32 so many repeated jokes 22:56:28 yeah, this is just like the information theorist joke 22:57:20 heh! http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?2266 23:00:43 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?3697 23:02:52 heh, heh: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?1379 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?1323 23:03:05 we should stop doing this, really 23:04:12 hahaha: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?7373 23:08:15 -- 23:08:15 and the problem with them is...? 23:08:15 They were sucky overall. 23:08:15 they seem to be okay at the moment 23:08:15 Eh, they're fine overall. 23:08:16 Just have some annoying things. 23:08:18 -- 23:08:36 ... 23:08:37 Honestly, they're not bad machines. I wouldn't mind having a few again. 23:09:49 - indecisive infoanarchist ash 23:11:00 heh: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?1660 23:11:10 grep socks /dev/sockDrawer 23:14:40 ooh, i been blogged! http://boingboing.net/2002_06_01_archive.html#85189808 23:15:06 well, i thought it was funny 23:19:22 lol! 23:19:27 that's rather brilliant 23:19:47 time to catch up on the ol' AaronSwWeblog then, I guess 23:20:09 thanks. i came up with it in swhack last night 23:20:35 oh. must have been whilst wmf was here 23:24:33 heh, heh; Kahle: "There are only 5 billion people in the world and they can only be typing 60 words a minute, 24 hours a day. So, that bounds it," - http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/11/02/wayback/?x 23:24:44 he didn't reckon with the awesome power of "while 1" 23:26:01 hahah 23:31:45 rotfl 23:31:59 AaronSw: My first instinct is to say "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" 23:32:10 Because we did have a bunch of problems with them. 23:32:14 heh 23:32:18 But then I remembered that they weren't consumer boxes. 23:32:24 They were internal intel testing machines. 23:32:27 OOOOOOOOOOOOH 23:33:01 The ISP1100s we got that were the production machines functioned perfectly. 23:34:32 * AaronSw wonders wh these technetcast mp3s won't play 23:37:08 lol! " vim is great, but I honestly need an editor that can delete lines." - http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6219 23:37:27 ROFL 23:37:53 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?3432 23:38:16 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6782 23:38:36 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6027 23:39:17 heh, 3065 is quite good 23:39:26 heh, is there some secret emaacs fan quotes page? 23:40:05 heh, I wonder just how many lines in swhack begin with "heh"? 23:40:15 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6486 <- ROTFL 23:40:27 :-) 23:40:34 Ash-w has changed the topic to: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6486 23:40:35 http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?search= Ash can't remember whether those are his quotes or not 23:41:51 ah, although #625 might explain that 23:41:56 Actually I think most of them are not me. 23:42:12 hm, MadHatter is on this network 23:42:20 Oh, really? 23:42:25 *** MadHatter is Hatter@assassinations.org (Hatter) 23:42:28 I wonder what channels he's on. 23:42:39 If he's on OPN, that one could have been me. 23:42:46 I used to ban *lots* of people on #FreeBSD. 23:42:54 hah 23:43:22 Hee hee. 23:43:30 Man, the old freebsd crew ruled. 23:43:31 *** zaney was kicked by Ash (I know you're not stupid! Don't think you can fool me!) 23:43:34 lol! 23:45:20 Alright, I'm outta here.. 23:45:23 have a good evening folks. 23:45:26 * Ash-w zooms home 23:45:28 *fwoosh* 23:47:24 c'ya 23:48:54 lol: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?3410 23:49:31 heh 23:49:46 JUST MAYBE 23:50:42 Ash has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:51:18 I THOUGHT THAT THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON WAS A JOKE KEY UNTIL I DISCOVERED TEH ASH 23:51:19 i better stop... the jokes are getting funny 23:52:19 just put your head between your legs 23:53:37 this is great stuff: http://www.bbc.co.uk/choice/60seconds/entertainment/210602/noel.shtml 23:53:51 Noel:- 23:53:52 [[[ 23:53:53 "Robbie's very symptomatic of a lot of people in this country. He's a fake, probably the biggest fake that's ever been - and yet he thinks he's Elvis. 23:53:53 "I had the displeasure of watching his film, Nobody Someday, when it was on telly recently, and I felt like vomiting after about five minutes. 23:53:53 "Apart from that, he's a nice guy." 23:53:54 ]]] 23:54:14 the good thing about the BBC is that they know how to quote 23:54:35 no dumbassed closing quote-marks on multi-paragraph quotes for them 23:54:42 I got Salmon of Doubt last night. 23:54:48 DNA likes the Beatles and Bach. 23:55:07 ooh 23:55:09 "Some people ask me if Orasis is better than the Beatles. I say they're no better than the Ruttles." 23:55:42 He specifically likes the Brandenburg Concertos. 23:56:07 hm, EOW approaching 23:58:21 ah, boingboing finally found linksandlaw 23:58:27 i was wondering how long that'd take cory 23:58:58 heh: http://boingboing.net/2002_06_01_archive.html#85189916