00:00:00 who is Blake Ross? 00:00:30 he's this cynical unfriendly kid mozilla programmer: http://www.blakeross.com/ 00:00:47 see also: http://www.mozillazine.org/jason/blake/ 00:02:20 you can tell the real blog because it has not one remotely positive sentence :) 00:04:04 he's funny, tho 00:04:53 * wmf twitches uncontrollably after looking at the second page 00:05:13 * wmf writes his congressman demanding mandatory labeling for Interweb content 00:05:19 lol 00:05:38 i want a warning message in my browser before it displays that crap 00:08:02 * wmf karma whores 00:08:27 are you posting "Slashdot meetup day scares me." *again*? 00:08:34 no 00:08:53 I saw a thread with only 5 comments posted, so I couldn't resist 00:09:08 ooh, now there are 6 00:09:28 ah, this is obviously wmf: "Plus, this is a perfect opportunity to break XP's compatibility with sun's JVM !!" 00:09:38 heh, nope 00:10:40 ah, you said it without the !s. 00:11:35 Oh man, I didn't realize the Slashdot Meetup headline was "Slashdot Effect, Live and In Person" 00:11:35 Now I'm going to have nightmares about "getting slashdotted" 00:24:49 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:25:27 apache exploit 00:25:41 * wmf yawns 00:26:00 * AaronSw infects wmf with curious yellow 00:26:32 * wmf uses curious yellow to 0wn 240 machines for his project 00:26:42 we're up to 240 now? 00:27:01 yeah 00:27:45 What are you doing? Simulating the Singularity? 00:28:14 * wmf kills AaronSw 00:28:34 hah, so i was right! 00:29:52 I'm sure the real enlightenment will come when I figure out why it is essential for wmf to do this but not for IBM to help him. 00:30:16 IBM has finite resources, you know 00:31:00 Yeah, but you think you could get some distributed computing code in the next Notes upgrade 00:31:24 heh: http://www.powazek.com/zoom/log/archive/00000442.shtml 00:31:46 don't remind me about the Notes people 00:32:34 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:33:14 'In other words, after dictating an entire scene about Apple's secret plans to acquire Altoids technology for incorporation into next year's "iMint" product, we found that we had four long paragraphs to the effect of "Waaaaaah! WAAAAAAAAAAHH!! WAAAAAAAAHHH! WAAAAAHHHHH!!" You get the picture. 00:33:14 ' 00:33:31 "And let's face it: it's a tough but true fact of life that when you do something every day for nearly five years and then stop for several weeks, it can be really hard to start back up again. Don't believe us? Try it yourself. Pick a task you've probably been performing daily for the past five years: breathing. Then stop for a month. We bet you'll have a little difficulty resuming when the time comes. 00:33:31 " 00:35:22 who is that? 00:35:30 Jack! http://www.appleturns.com/episode/?id=3710 00:36:44 * wmf mumbles something about I am Jack's Apple Rumor Addiction 00:37:25 "Just a quick heads-up to all those viewers who keep writing in to ask when Apple is going to stick a G4 in the iBook: give it a rest. It's not that we mind being asked; after all, we are the shadowy and all-powerful consortium who tells Apple's hardware designers exactly when to incorporate new technologies into each product line (c'mon, like you never suspected!). It's just that we're just a little concerned that you might be causing yourselves undue grief 00:37:26 probably still a long ways off. " 00:38:34 score 4... 00:39:56 Am I the only one who thinks that Clarus' appearance in that Jaguar screenshot is a bug? 00:40:25 I mean, Character Palette has a perfectly good icon that *actually looks like a Character Palette* already. Why does it need one that looks like a dogcow? 00:40:41 beta bonus feature 00:42:38 what does a Character Palette look like? 00:43:44 the icon is a round rectangle with a bunch of lines in it 00:46:20 the actual character palette is awesome, filled with cool characters 00:46:29 it even lets you pick out a set of Favorite Characters! 00:46:36 translation: it has the interrobang 00:46:52 actually, i don't think it does :( 00:46:52 screenshot? 00:47:12 I figured you'd bash it if it didn't have the interrobang 00:47:38 well, it has an aleph, which sorta makes up for i 00:47:39 t 00:47:42 uh oh! it disappeared 00:48:35 oh, phew 00:48:45 it can sort by unicode blocks and code tables 00:49:52 hm, i wonder what numbering scheme it's using 00:50:01 screenshot? 00:50:06 interrobang is not 8253 00:50:15 * AaronSw takes screenshots for deltab 00:51:18 AaronSw: did you get Jaguar to work? 00:51:28 no 00:51:34 deltab, is TIFF ok? 00:51:52 yes 00:52:58 http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/cpalette{1,2,3}.tiff 00:54:56 it keeps crashing, seems sorta buggy 00:56:25 looks nice 00:56:58 those numbers are *glyph* IDs 00:57:25 ah, if i change it to unicode mode i get the right chars 00:57:41 what are glyph ids? 00:58:06 do you know the difference between glyphs and characters? 00:58:09 The Japanese entry mode is very cool. Too bad I don't write Japanese. 00:58:27 is the difference that é is one glyph but could potentially be two characters? 00:59:12 looks like Dave's getting his iPod 00:59:14 wow, not only is there an interrobang, but there's an interro,terro, an interro,bang and a bang,interro 00:59:21 ooh, and a bang,bang 00:59:47 characters are the abstract concepts like 'lower-case letter a' 01:00:19 glyphs are the visual forms that represent them in writing, and are found in fonts 01:00:41 so two fonts have the same chars but different glyphs? 01:00:48 right 01:01:06 zooko set up me the bomb! 01:01:11 wmf, oh? 01:01:17 alright... seems like there would be a lot of glyphs then, how do the numbers get assigned? 01:01:26 102020 for every font adds up quickly 01:01:36 maybe OmniWeb choked on that Irby pic 01:01:39 ah 01:01:40 that's generally up to the font system 01:02:30 there was an attempt at a registry of glyphs, but it failed to take off 01:03:47 argh, Char Palette crashes repatedly and repeatably. 01:05:18 Morbus (morbus@s122.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:05:39 ooh: ?x ? #swhack, x ? ¬x 01:06:04 I couldn't believe that AIMA was set without real fonts for the technical notation. 01:06:05 though characters and glyphs often correspond, they're not always 1-to-1. Ligatures, accents etc. make it M-to-N 01:06:18 AIMA? 01:06:29 AI: a Modern Approach 01:06:37 ah 01:06:43 You can see the jaggies in characters like or and and 01:06:51 and implies. it's awful 01:06:57 ew 01:08:39 whoa, I didn't know there was a character for KB, MB, GB, Hz, Khz, Mhz, dB, cc, in, KK, KM, kt, MW, kg, mg, etc. 01:09:01 who would use an ugly char like that? 01:09:11 the Japanese 01:09:15 and Chinese 01:09:36 those are for use with Han scripts 01:10:04 Hmmm 01:11:58 those characters are there I think for simplistic Han-only rendering 01:12:26 interesting 01:12:35 http://www.suttonimpactstudio.com/schlock1.htm 01:12:46 since all the glyphs fit into the same size square, they're easy to lay out 01:12:52 ah! 01:13:45 heh @ schlock1 01:13:55 which one are you, wmf? 01:14:21 there are also "full-width" clones of ASCII chars in the U+0FFxx range which take up a square each 01:24:11 tav_ (~chatzilla@modem-147.bicolor-pseudochromis.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 01:24:21 ;p 01:24:26 tav_ has left #swhack 01:24:28 tav! 01:25:12 boo, Pentium 4 is beating Power4 in SPEC int 01:25:39 hey tav! 01:26:25 tav! 01:30:29 AaronSw is now known as tav 01:30:34 tav is now known as AaronSw 01:30:56 rehi 01:38:48 lots of hits from Joshua Allen today 01:39:09 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:40:22 woo! http://www.fairvue.com/?feature=elements3 01:41:11 ooh, mr. fancy pants helium 01:42:18 I don't get some of them 01:42:43 hah, JoshuaA's logo is aleph null 01:48:07 * AaronSw notes wmf was in blog.elements also: http://www.fairvue.com/?feature=elements2 01:48:43 yeah 02:03:13 heh: Ian says I'm good at working on "con putirs." Alright, my little dude. 02:04:08 heh, yep 02:04:58 ooh: http://www.treedragon.com/ged/mc/in/wf27Mar00.htm 02:05:40 I miss the old interviews 02:07:59 yeah, they seem cool 02:13:47 now that Mozilla hit 1.0 I guess we can start packing in the new features like JPEG 2000 02:14:44 with that kind of attitude 1.1 will take another 4 years 02:15:03 :-) 02:15:42 blast from the past: http://www.forbes.com/1999/08/11/feat.html 02:18:15 I'm blogging the same stuff as in 1999 02:18:18 heh: "ability! to! delete! exclamation!-marks!! from! Ain't! It! Cool!!! News!" - http://www.robotwisdom.com/web/drawback.html 02:18:34 wmf, that's what they mean about a downturn 02:18:43 you hit the same points on the way down as you did on the way up 02:18:59 I don't think the downturn has anything to do with it 02:27:33 uberfunk has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:28:43 heh: http://www.adti.net/html_files/defense/samir_dec_23_2001/pages/ 02:28:57 via http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25659.html 02:32:15 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:39:17 eikco has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:43:49 for the record, DJB is Da Man! 02:44:29 jeremiah (~chatzilla@ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 02:44:46 hi 02:45:21 J! 02:45:31 what's up? 02:45:45 it took me like a week 02:45:49 but I finished the RDF Primer 02:45:54 heh 02:45:56 and am thinking it's about time we get cracking on Plesh again 02:46:04 ooh, guess you survived 02:46:14 now what I'm wondering about is... aren't there other projects like this one? 02:46:23 like the plesh/ 02:46:27 yeah 02:46:35 * jeremiah points to #semplesh 02:46:42 not really... there's edutella but it's mega complex (15 layers) and runs on JXTA 02:47:00 ok 02:47:12 I restated the question in #semplesh for the records if you care 02:52:47 what weere you in court for? 02:56:02 speeding ticket 03:01:20 Gotta run 03:01:26 don't speed, now 03:01:31 heh 03:01:53 "look out kid, it's something you did, who knows when, but you're doing it again" 03:10:33 la la la 03:11:56 score 5. my karma whoring is complete. 03:12:10 * Ash finds mod points 03:12:13 wmf: what post? 03:12:39 http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=34415&cid=3726127 03:12:39 he said something stupid like the version java ms was shipping was old 03:13:18 PLZ NOTIEC MY /. POSTZ!+!@5 FIRSTE POTSX!!!@2 03:13:19 I wish mozilla would remember what tabs I had open 03:13:34 heh 03:13:52 wow that comment was so... +1 insightful 03:13:58 jeremiah, it can remember 03:14:10 make the tabs into a bookmarks folder 03:14:10 GabeW (~chatzilla@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:14:17 then add some secret attribute... 03:14:26 now I see why people say /. moderation is useless 03:14:37 ah, OLDER_GROUP="true" 03:14:41 err FOLDER_GROUP="true" 03:14:52 my secret mozilla tabbing technique is unstoppable 03:14:53 how do I make the tabs into a folder? 03:14:53 see http://www.deftone.com/blogzilla/archives/how_to_create_bookmark_groups_in_five_easy_steps.html 03:15:04 oh 03:15:23 now I remember why I hate computers 03:15:26 wmf, do you do anything but apply pop culture phrases to IRC conversations? 03:15:56 Ash has changed the topic to: my geek-pop-culture phrasing technique is unstoppable 03:16:21 AaronSW: that means I have to set those bookmarks before I close it though 03:16:25 which isn't as appealing as having it remember 03:16:39 ah, yes indeed 03:16:45 my dad had the same complaint 03:16:59 it'd be super cool if it rememberd the place on the page where I was reading too 03:17:12 but despair of seeing this feature since it will probably require a preference, and mpt will kill any new preferences 03:17:31 hmm 03:17:32 wow, that sounds just like features built itno... OS 9 apps! 03:17:49 yeah god forbid we do something good with our software 03:17:56 let's just stop adding features right before it gets decent to use 03:18:15 then we'd have to support it 03:18:17 and shit 03:18:34 * jeremiah notes that he's still bitter about court today 03:19:17 heh! mpt really is a person in a cybercafe in new zealand! take that Joel Spolsky 03:20:10 so now all this shit makes sense 03:20:11 (plesh) 03:20:24 cool 03:21:18 I wish mpt's discussion group wasn't {responseBroken} 03:21:50 I wonder what happened to dave 03:22:00 Murphy 03:22:03 winer 03:22:13 I hope not a heart attack 03:22:25 no, I meant Murphy is what happened to Dave 03:22:45 oh 03:23:17 or Moore 03:23:26 the realized they can fit twice as many dave's on a transistor 03:23:54 heh 03:24:53 we can rebuild him... faster... stronger... 03:25:27 jeremiah has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020529]") 03:25:43 jeremiah (~chatzilla@ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 03:26:29 yeah, i'm sure cory is juving dw right now 03:27:36 so he's got an iPod and it's only Tue... 03:28:25 I'm still really curious about why he's in the hospital 03:29:09 no doubt it will make for an interesting DaveNet 03:29:40 http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/index.html 03:29:48 "and then the EMT reamed a needle full of adrenaline into my heart" 03:30:20 jeremiah has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:30:30 jeremiah (~chatzilla@ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 03:31:35 hey, if you buy a Joy of Tech subscription you get to be in the comic 03:32:31 really? 03:32:57 really 03:33:25 why the hell is my stepdad awake this late 03:33:29 "don't you have to go to work" 03:37:25 how much is a subscription? 03:37:53 ah: http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/subscription.html 03:38:44 jeremiah has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:40:35 jeremiah (~jeremiah@ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 03:40:47 ok so mozilla froze for the... 4th time today and I decided to go back to using BitchX 03:40:48 whoa, el reg's gone all IBM Blue on me 03:40:54 heheh 03:41:09 this is like a trip back to my slackware days 03:42:20 IBM seems to be doing some e-business funk there 03:42:26 where? 03:42:38 swapswapswap 03:42:46 looks pretty red to me 03:42:57 i.e. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/25762.html 03:43:48 the w3 text mode for triple seems like a bitch to parse 03:43:59 hm? 03:44:00 * jeremiah realized you can just look for spaces and then the period 03:44:08 :-) 03:44:16 sbp has a one-line regexp 03:44:31 but string.split will work too :) 03:45:03 do we have an interface defined for doing the actual triple queries yet? 03:45:24 * jeremiah notes that he would be using #semplesh but he doesn't remember how to do two channels in BitchX and doesn't feel like juggling them now 03:45:53 doing two channels is easy 03:45:58 just /j #channelname 03:46:10 oh well 03:46:30 oh, interesting 03:46:36 do you mean the triple query API? they're a dime a dozen 03:46:51 eikeon and I are working on agreeing on that tripleStore.html page you linked to 03:46:59 GabeW has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:47:13 no the API that will be used for querying between plesh nodes 03:47:58 umm. query(subj, pred, obj) 03:48:25 AaronSw: I mean between computers 03:48:44 do you mean the protocol? 03:48:45 like is it going to be node/query?s=x&p=x&o=x 03:48:47 yes the protocol 03:48:53 god I hate vocabulary 03:48:56 :-) 03:49:06 i don't really care. that'll work. 03:49:07 I waste SO FUCKING MUCH time on vocab misundersatndings 03:49:12 whatever gets implemented first 03:49:15 ok 03:49:24 programmers are a real pain on vocab. they're so detailly 03:49:46 yeah and we all have different vocab since we always talk to ourselves in our head and always understand ourselves 03:50:02 tansaku has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 03:50:27 great I can't read that 03:50:48 * jeremiah is going to log off and go into his own world now, back seomtime soon 03:50:48 jeremiah has left #swhack 04:02:06 how does joel get off blaming ad's failure on open source. bleeeech 04:11:07 wmf has quit ("commoditize the planet") 04:15:41 AaronSw: He does? LOL 04:15:53 s/ad/aD/ 04:15:54 If anything ad's failure is because of their psycho VC mgmt. 04:16:00 yeah, no kidding 04:16:08 they were making a killing off of consulting 04:16:12 I mean, come on now. 04:16:28 they turned a lucrative consulting business into something that gets sold to redhate 04:16:37 I think Joel is just jealous. 04:16:38 ;-) 04:16:51 :-) 04:16:58 I haven't exactly heard lots of glowing things about fogcreek recently. ;) 04:17:09 Sweet... got my mail filtering rules all working in VM 04:17:11 yay! 04:24:55 @ http://www.badvogato.org/proj/Factor%20large%20primes/ 04:25:00 A: http://www.badvogato.org/proj/Factor%20large%20primes/ from AaronSw 04:25:20 A:|Project to factor large primes on Advogato 04:25:21 titled item A 04:25:45 A::Inspired by this Bill Gates quote, from "The Road Ahead": "Because both the system's privacy and the security of digital money depend on encryption, a breakthrough in mathematics or computer science that defeats the cryptographic system could be a disaster. The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers. Any person or organization possessing this power could counterfeit money, penetrate any personal 04:25:45 en undermine the security of nations " 04:25:46 commented item A 04:28:04 lol 04:45:18 * AaronSw -> sleep 04:45:34 (i can factor large primes in my sleep, baby!) 04:47:01 heh 05:09:20 Seth has quit () 06:04:30 quasi has quit ("BitchX-1.0c18 -- just do it.") 06:39:38 quasi (~toftum@tigerdyr.wheel.dk) has joined #swhack 11:07:19 morning! 11:15:57 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]") 11:26:25 pixel has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:31:50 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:55:24 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 13:03:14 morn 13:15:08 morning. 13:22:37 moring! 13:34:08 do pregnant pauses have children? 13:34:22 wouldn't that be the first word after the pause? 13:34:48 unless, of course, the pause between that word and the next was also non-standard with the rhythm of the sentence. 13:34:52 in which case, it'd be twins, or more. 13:35:03 pregnant pauses do not necessarily have children, but it is fairly inevitable that they will in the near future. 13:35:39 just because your pause is pregnant doesn't mean it has children. it just means that children are forthcoming. 13:36:02 so they spawn baby pauses? 13:37:44 if you leave them alone in a room together for long enough. alcohol always helps the spawning process along. 13:38:28 heh, heh 13:39:03 also, if the pauses are teenagers, unprotected coupling will inevitably result in a pregnant pause. 13:57:20 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:09:18 * sbp waves 15:12:53 GabeW (~chatzilla@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 15:35:39 heh! "In another approach, the so-called Connolly-Williams method (CWM)" -- http://www.met.kth.se/calphad/all.pdf 16:09:20 tansaku_xj (~sam@n145-132.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 16:26:39 tansaku has quit (Connection timed out) 16:28:02 jeremiah (~jeremiah@ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 16:31:39 moring 16:31:47 * jeremiah realizes he can't spell worth a damn today 16:32:16 :) 16:32:22 hey mr. peabody. 16:37:41 ooh switch commerical is on 16:37:47 aaron adams 16:43:16 * AaronSw -> tennis 17:01:01 jeremiah has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:03:44 xoot (~xoot@177.sanjose-11-12rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net) has joined #swhack 17:04:16 hello, all 17:04:18 may i ask a question? 17:05:14 are there any RSS syndicators out there? 17:05:54 'lo? 17:07:45 BLURB: Are there any RSS syndicators out there that you don't have to install on your server, like Voidstar? 17:07:52 B: Are there any RSS syndicators out there that you don't have to install on your server, like Voidstar? from xoot 17:08:21 oh my fucking god. 17:08:25 its the fucking xoot guy. 17:08:31 hey 17:08:33 asking a question that can be answered in a google search. 17:08:40 xoot, I heard AmphetaDesk was good. 17:08:42 i just searched 17:08:43 http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/ 17:08:48 syndicators 17:08:54 not aggregators 17:09:05 check out the webword.com interview. 17:09:10 at the very bottom. hold. getting link. 17:09:18 thanks morbus 17:09:28 http://webword.com/interviews/iff.html 17:10:14 but it's a news reader 17:10:19 i want an RSS creater 17:10:54 dude, what the fuck. 17:10:56 what did I just say 17:10:59 at the very bottom. hold. getting link. 17:11:17 last question. 17:11:36 dude, its a reader 17:11:44 it reads news 17:11:52 WHAT DID I JUST SAY 17:11:54 it doesn't create rss feeds 17:12:06 READ THE LAST FUCKING QUESTION! 17:12:11 WHERE DID XOOT COME FROM 17:12:11 ARE YOU FUCKING DUMB?! 17:12:11 ARGH 17:12:22 dude. delete your tree files, and come back later. 17:12:37 yeah, you can't see the motherfucking trees for the forest. 17:13:01 anyone on a unix box outside a firewall? 17:13:02 but Morbus, it's a reader! a reader! i see the word AmphetaDesk, so therefore the whole page much be invalid 17:13:13 Readder! Reaaadeerr! 17:13:21 pixel: what's up? 17:13:37 hold obn. I have a solution. 17:14:08 oh 17:14:20 well, those two are bad 17:14:41