IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-18

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00:00:51 [wmf]

heh

00:00:56 [wmf]

they are such a cute couple

00:01:17 [GabeW]

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00:01:59 [deltab]

in addition to alt *attributes*, I think Google Images should also look at title and longdesc attributes

00:03:44 [deltab]

http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/img.html

00:04:48 [AaronSw]

this is why i love deltab

00:05:02 [AaronSw]

:-)

00:05:02 [deltab]

that's in response to http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000350 btw

00:05:38 [deltab]

:-)

00:05:46 [GabeW]

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00:06:24 [deltab]

oh, I've just realised what "display images on that page" means

00:06:39 [AaronSw]

oh?

00:07:12 [deltab]

I thought it meant "put the images on that page to display them", and I was wondering what page

00:07:30 [deltab]

but now I realise it means "display images from that page"

00:08:01 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw fixes

00:08:07 [AaronSw]

That was a really poorly written piece.

00:09:11 [deltab]

those are great ideas

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00:10:12 [deltab]

I'd thought of using alt, but not the other two ideas

00:11:06 [AaronSw]

Ah, good! I couldn't tell if I was just stupid...

00:11:22 [AaronSw]

They seem so obvious, but Google Images seems to totally be focused on filenames to the exclusion of all else.

00:12:13 [deltab]

I can't figure out why it thinks these results are relevant

00:14:28 [deltab]

I was confused by the third image on the search for Scripting News - Google took me to Guido van Rossum's home page

00:14:56 [deltab]

(and the thumbnail was missing)

00:16:19 [AaronSw]

Hm. Did I screw that up?

00:17:08 [wmf]

heh. Ev is funny

00:18:23 [AaronSw]

pointing to ascii babes?

00:19:01 [AaronSw]

^for

00:19:13 [wmf]

yeah

00:21:42 [deltab]

AaronSw: no, Google Images did

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00:27:28 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.typorganism.com/

00:27:41 [chumpy]

A: http://www.typorganism.com/ from AaronSw

00:29:01 [wmf]

* wmf feeds AaronSw into the ASCII-O-Matic

00:30:46 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw feeds wmf

00:31:04 [wmf]

I just ate, thanks

00:31:34 [AaronSw]

heh

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00:33:57 [wmf]

"Are you compatible with Quartz Extreme?" -- bad punch line of a future Joy of Tech strip

00:35:41 [Morbus]

you know, i really don't care.

00:38:15 [wmf]

my blogrolling technique is too efficient

00:38:26 [thelsdj]

* thelsdj gets down on his hands and keen and mourns the loss of audiogalaxy

00:39:01 [thelsdj]

sent: 8,956.19 MB / recv: 35,984.57 MB (my file transfer stats on ag)

00:39:16 [Morbus]

i'm something like 1/3 gigs, i think

00:39:29 [AaronSw]

lol: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/330.html

00:39:56 [AaronSw]

hahhaah http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/328.html

00:40:12 [wmf]

yeah, the ballmer one is great

00:40:44 [thelsdj]

soulseek in python: http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/

00:41:11 [wmf]

the emacs joke is so obvious

00:41:12 [wmf]

it

00:41:18 [wmf]

it's just obligatory

00:41:42 [AaronSw]

heh: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/323.html

00:44:14 [wmf]

* wmf wonders whether being Stallmanized is worse than being Napsterized

00:48:08 [AaronSw]

heh, Error: element "wmf" not defined in this HTML version

00:48:15 [AaronSw]

stallmanized?

00:49:01 [wmf]

you have no chance to validate make your time

00:51:19 [AaronSw]

woo, it validates! haha, sucker

00:51:36 [wmf]

take off every <zig/>!

00:51:50 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw does the i-just-wasted-way-too-much-time-for-stupid-standards dance

00:53:55 [Morbus]

see!

00:53:58 [Morbus]

someone appreciates me:

00:53:59 [Morbus]

[[[

00:53:59 [Morbus]

This is great!! I'll format it for WebWord in the next day

00:53:59 [Morbus]

or so. When it is done I'll post it and forward the link

00:53:59 [Morbus]

along to you.

00:54:00 [Morbus]

By the way, given how much you are doing right now,

00:54:01 [Morbus]

your turn around was amazing.

00:54:03 [Morbus]

]]]

00:54:05 [Morbus]

concerning the interview.

00:54:07 [Morbus]

i feel loved.

00:58:06 [AaronSw]

awwww

00:58:32 [Morbus]

* Morbus nods pitifully.

01:03:35 [AaronSw]

heh. "Quite frankly, this new ad campaign is terrifying. No, it's worse than that - it's a theatre of cruelty that makes victims of Apple's loyal Macintosh user base. "

01:04:06 [wmf]

that's not *exactly* what I'd say, but I think they have a point

01:04:48 [wmf]

doesn't Apple already have the entire freelance writer/DJ market?

01:04:48 [AaronSw]

why do they put 'Mark Fraunfelder' in scare quotes?

01:05:01 [AaronSw]

good point

01:05:01 [wmf]

that's not his real name, silly

01:05:38 [wmf]

(or at least that's what El Reg is implying)

01:05:47 [AaronSw]

phew, i was worried that i'd have to tell him he was "the kind of twitchy, self-loathing bore from whom women flee"

01:06:20 [wmf]

don't you know? those ads are all fake

01:06:50 [AaronSw]

right, because no *real* person could possibly be that stupid/ugly/disgusting/insane/bland

01:06:50 [thelsdj]

i have a silly question, who/what is to blame/praise for apples sucess lately? i can remember a few years ago when it seemed like apple was going down the tubes, what changed?

01:06:56 [AaronSw]

OS X?

01:07:01 [wmf]

Steve

01:07:06 [AaronSw]

Steve!

01:07:19 [deltab]

is that the same ad campaign Cory Doctorow appears in?

01:07:51 [wmf]

heh

01:07:52 [AaronSw]

Cory Doctorow does not appear in an ad campaign. Are you thinking of his parterner in boinging, Mark Fraunfelder?

01:08:04 [deltab]

probably

01:08:17 [wmf]

"partner in boinging"? that sounds... uh...

01:08:20 [thelsdj]

so when steve came back is when it turned around?

01:08:21 [deltab]

heh

01:08:31 [deltab]

thelsdj: yeah

01:08:32 [Morbus]

[[[

01:08:32 [Morbus]

[10:08] <EpA> what is an "out of the box" server?

01:08:33 [Morbus]

[10:09] * Morbus peers at EpA.

01:08:33 [Morbus]

[10:09] <Morbus> you buy a computer. you turn on the computer. it works. whoO! you go back to having sex.

01:08:33 [Morbus]

]]]

01:09:06 [wmf]

ah, so that's what "thinking out of the box" means

01:09:14 [Morbus]

heh!

01:09:32 [deltab]

our babies think out of the box

01:09:59 [AaronSw]

Only Cory can turn a rumor about 802.11g into a BDPG rant. http://boingboing.net/2002_06_01_archive.html#85176561

01:10:18 [wmf]

yeah, I thought that was a bit convoluted

01:10:44 [deltab]

ah, boingboing, the site with quarter-megabyte pages

01:10:53 [AaronSw]

heheh

01:10:56 [wmf]

<Cory> (pounding fist repeatedly)

01:11:07 [wmf]

<Cory> BDPG! BDPG! BDPG!

01:11:17 [wmf]

<Cory> (goes back to pounding fist)

01:11:32 [AaronSw]

* Cory bangs iBook, Shoe, Audience members on table

01:12:39 [wmf]

and the cellphone

01:13:23 [thelsdj]

0.67% click through percentage so far with my ad on kuro5hin heh

01:18:47 [AaronSw]

hm, i'd sent rusty some cash but i already sent all of it to lilo

01:21:14 [thelsdj]

i think the only solution is going to be rusty getting a job but who knows

01:21:29 [AaronSw]

yeah, that was my first thought

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01:23:55 [thelsdj]

i'm gonna buy an ad on kuro5hin for ampheta if i can think of a good 60 character or less description

01:25:56 [AaronSw]

AmphetaDesk: Let your favorite sites come to you.

01:28:30 [AaronSw]

How to find Cory quotes: http://www.google.com/search?q="technology%20boner%20that%20could%20cut%20glass"

01:30:32 [Morbus]

AaronSw: where'd you find that quote?

01:30:41 [AaronSw]

boingboing

01:30:46 [AaronSw]

he also said it in person

01:30:52 [Morbus]

really?

01:30:58 [Morbus]

is this recent?

01:30:59 [Morbus]

where the frel have I been?

01:31:20 [AaronSw]

from June 15

01:32:09 [Morbus]

i dont see it.

01:32:29 [AaronSw]

under the Ben Hammersly story

01:33:22 [Morbus]

heh, heh. ok. i'm dumb, I think.

01:33:39 [Morbus]

i see " It's a small, mad, mad, small, mad, small (wireless) world " under June 15th.

01:33:42 [Morbus]

and that's all.

01:33:58 [AaronSw]

yeah, it's under that article

01:34:08 [AaronSw]

"Distance from the nearest nuclear waste route: 1.5 miles"

01:34:10 [AaronSw]

uh oh

01:34:13 [Morbus]

so I click the little "link" thing.

01:34:20 [AaronSw]

heheh

01:34:32 [Morbus]

what? <G>

01:39:43 [AaronSw]

lol: http://www.photoshopcontest.com/posts.php?forum=127

01:39:48 [AaronSw]

gerald was so asking for it, tho

01:39:52 [Morbus]

AaronSw, i have no clue what you're talking about.

01:42:46 [AaronSw]

oh well

01:48:18 [AaronSw]

BTW, I've got mathematica working. let me know if you need any differential equations solved, wmf

01:49:27 [wmf]

uh, ok

01:49:57 [wmf]

can you use mathematica to simulate the singularity with a CA?

01:51:40 [AaronSw]

Sure, if you know the CA.

01:52:04 [wmf]

it's not in the book?

01:52:42 [AaronSw]

No, I don't think it covered the Singularity.

01:54:27 [AaronSw]

I can compute the square root of Pi to 5000 digits, tho

01:55:00 [wmf]

ripoff

01:55:00 [AaronSw]

only takes 0.06 seconds

01:55:18 [AaronSw]

yeah

01:56:12 [AaronSw]

I can also generate large prime numbers.

02:01:59 [thelsdj]

i know someone who got sent alot of equipment by some bio company and they get to sit around and play with mathmatica and try to figure out the best way to distribute computations for cancer research

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02:08:04 [AaronSw]

street performer protocol buys DW an iPod: http://pycs.net/workbench/stories/2002/06/17/thankingDaveWiner.html

02:13:18 [Morbus]

heh: http://pf.johncglass.com

02:14:47 [thelsdj]

woa

02:15:03 [thelsdj]

C.T. Percentage: 11.11% on the amphetadesk ad so far

02:15:12 [Morbus]

wow. that's insane.

02:15:14 [thelsdj]

2 clicks, 18 impressions

02:15:19 [Morbus]

CT is nromally like .02

02:15:21 [Morbus]

ah.

02:15:32 [thelsdj]

hehe

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02:15:47 [Morbus]

man, this pornforge is funny

02:20:54 [thelsdj]

from small pieces loosely joined: "To provide the obligatory twist on Andy Warhol's ironically enduring comment: on the Web, everyone will be famous to fifteen people."

02:21:25 [wmf]

so what is pornforge? I'm too lazy to get an account

02:21:27 [AaronSw]

heh, i feel the same way as Ben: http://rhumba.pair.com/ben/archives/2001/05/000031.shtml

02:21:50 [Morbus]

wmf: it looks like a meta search engine for porn.

02:22:05 [Morbus]

people upload images, describe them in detail (color of hair, shaved, clothing, color, age, etc.)

02:22:15 [Morbus]

and then you can search down to any criteria.

02:22:20 [Morbus]

[off] it doesn't look too good, actually.

02:22:24 [Morbus]

[off] i'm not impressed.

02:22:47 [wmf]

so corucopia of the commons... applied to porn

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02:23:04 [Morbus]

welp, installing ie 5.2.

02:23:04 [AaronSw]

i don't see no cornucopia here

02:23:08 [Morbus]

gonna have to sell my soul.

02:23:09 [Morbus]

brb.

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02:23:22 [wmf]

does MomSw know you're looking at that?

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02:24:27 [AaronSw]

i'm not looking at it. just working from morbus' description

02:25:31 [Morbus]

aaron's a good kid.

02:25:41 [Morbus]

ie 5.2 resets homepage.

02:25:56 [AaronSw]

congrats, you are the 29932 person to let us know

02:26:03 [AaronSw]

http://people.debian.org/~branden/official_motto.jpg

02:26:15 [Morbus]

ah. damn.

02:26:25 [Morbus]

only 68 off from a milestone

02:28:01 [AaronSw]

68 whats?

02:28:36 [Morbus]

peoples.

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02:47:07 [wmf]

AaronSw is multiplying

02:47:10 [wmf]

maybe he's a CA

02:48:32 [AaronSw`]

Nah, just testing AthenaIRC

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03:27:15 [AaronSw]

bleh. bering sick suyx

04:07:04 [Ash]

heyyyyy

04:07:07 [Ash]

* Ash danc3es

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11:12:38 [inoxxx]

hi to all

11:12:40 [inoxxx]

:)

11:14:02 [inoxxx]

looking for help with Snack 4.8.3 for mac :)

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* sbp waves

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12:00:47 [Morbus]

@ http://webword.com/interviews/iff.html

12:01:06 [chumpy]

B: http://webword.com/interviews/iff.html from Morbus

12:01:41 [Morbus]

B:|AmphetaDesk and the Adventures of Morbus Iff

12:01:49 [Morbus]

B::Another, more serious, interview with Morbus Iff.

12:01:50 [chumpy]

titled item B

12:02:00 [chumpy]

commented item B

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12:28:22 [Morbus]

any new word on Dave?

12:28:46 [pixel]

nope.

12:30:16 [pixel]

at least, no word form the 156 new sources in my amphetadesk =)

12:30:24 [pixel]

that 156 should be 256.

12:30:25 [sbp]

heh, heh

12:30:26 [pixel]

hehe

12:31:49 [Morbus]

yeaaah. <G>

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12:46:58 [inozzz]

Morbus: u said:

12:47:03 [inozzz]

<Morbus> # to get past the 30 minute killer, delete ~/Library/Preferences/Adobec Font Library

12:47:12 [inozzz]

could u help me ? :P

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12:48:17 [inozzz]

how can i do this?

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12:48:41 [inozzz]

<Morbus> # to get past the 30 minute killer, delete ~/Library/Preferences/Adobec Font Library

12:48:44 [inozzz]

how can i do this?

12:49:07 [MorbusIff]

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12:49:25 [Morbus]

where'd you find that?

12:49:29 [inozzz]

hehe

12:49:42 [inozzz]

http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-24

12:49:48 [inozzz]

logs :)

12:50:04 [Morbus]

ah. well, that was commented, and shouldn't have been logged.

12:50:09 [Morbus]

therefore, it no longer exists, so I have no clue what you're talking about.

12:50:18 [inozzz]

hehehe

12:50:23 [inozzz]

k

12:52:34 [Morbus]

AaronSw: so all commented logs are freely available? that's rather cute.

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13:08:57 [inozzz]

hehe

13:09:03 [inozzz]

all availabe :)

13:17:20 [AaronSw]

hahah

13:17:41 [inozzz]

let me suck all logs from the site :)))

13:17:55 [AaronSw]

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13:17:56 [Ash]

Hey, there's commented out text in here

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13:18:48 [inozzz]

no, no no :)

13:18:52 [inozzz]

im kidding :)

13:19:06 [AaronSw]

hmm

13:19:12 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: can a swhacker think for itself?

13:19:18 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: can a swhacker think for itself?

13:19:33 [Ash]

AaronSw: now you kick whatshisname.

13:19:49 [AaronSw]

i'll kick if he keeps doing annoying stuff

13:20:24 [Ash]

Like logging commented text?

13:20:25 [Ash]

ehhe

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13:46:18 [Morbus]

[[[

13:46:19 [Morbus]

[10:45] <davidw> damn spammers

13:46:19 [Morbus]

[10:46] <Morbus> i lika the spammahs.

13:46:19 [Morbus]

[10:46] <Morbus> i bought 30 milion emals for only 19.95

13:46:19 [Morbus]

[10:46] <Morbus> what's yer emal?

13:46:31 [Morbus]

[10:46] <davidw> Morbus: director@fbi.gov

13:46:31 [Morbus]

[10:47] <Morbus> thanks. i'll sen u an emal

13:46:31 [Morbus]

[10:47] <davidw> try also head_honcho@fcc.gov

13:46:32 [Morbus]

[10:47] <Morbus> wow. u have a lot :)

13:46:32 [Morbus]

]]]

13:54:12 [Morbus]

[[[

13:54:13 [Morbus]

[10:52] <Morbus> k. davdw, i jus snt you u emal. did u get it?

13:54:13 [Morbus]

[10:54] <DrBacchus> Bah. I forgot my Cookbook today.

13:54:13 [Morbus]

[10:54] <Morbus> i haf a cokbook. only 24.95. u wat me to snd u an emal?

13:54:14 [Morbus]

[10:55] * DrBacchus eyes Morbus warily

13:54:14 [Morbus]

[10:55] <Morbus> ok. for u, 22.95.

13:54:15 [Morbus]

]]]

13:55:01 [AaronSw]

I'm surprised Morbus hasn't been kickbanned yet :)

13:55:08 [AaronSw]

in #apache, i mean

13:55:08 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

13:55:32 [Morbus]

same sorta in-joke "that's not really Morbus" crowd.

13:55:34 [Morbus]

we're all gleeful.

13:55:55 [Morbus]

AaronSw, read my interview? love me! <G>

13:57:21 [AaronSw]

heh, k

13:59:22 [pixel]

is there a feed for yesterday's (relative) swhack log?

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14:03:09 [MorbusIff]

grumble, grumble

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14:03:43 [MorbusIff]

[[[

14:03:45 [MorbusIff]

[11:04] <MorbusIff> ha ha. snding so many emals. crashed my cpu.

14:03:47 [MorbusIff]

]]]

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14:09:21 [pixel]

what I'm thinking for the feed is something like http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/yesterday.rss which could just be a symlink to the previous day's rss feed... that way you could include the yesterday.rss feed into amphetadesk, and always see the full list of links (in case some were added after the last time you looked at the feed).

14:14:58 [AaronSw]

"You give developers a good name because you write good code and you obviously care about your users."

14:15:13 [MorbusIff]

awwww.

14:15:14 [MorbusIff]

<g>

14:16:20 [AaronSw]

btw, we own "Morbus Iff" on google

14:16:20 [MorbusIff]

i am the savior of coding worldwide! <G>

14:16:22 [AaronSw]

mwahaha

14:16:43 [MorbusIff]

heh, heh. rock on <G>

14:17:01 [Ash-w]

CONDUCTED VIA EMAIL

14:17:15 [AaronSw]

pixel, wanna code it? :)

14:25:45 [Morbus]

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14:28:31 [pixel]

not a problem!

14:28:39 [pixel]

there's a few ways it can be done.

14:28:59 [pixel]

have a cron script that changes the symlink every night.

14:29:03 [MorbusIff]

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14:29:38 [AaronSw]

woo, apple rocks

14:29:48 [pixel]

or chump could publish the "yesterday.rss" at midnight, as an actual file.

14:30:09 [AaronSw]

i'm a bit wary of messing with the chump, since it makes it harder to upgrade

14:30:23 [pixel]

(you all love to rub in that apple rocks. got $1000? I can rock with apple too fi you do :) )

14:30:30 [pixel]

good point.

14:30:31 [AaronSw]

apple is replacing the display, the keyboard, the cdrom drive, the logic board, the main board and the display bezel on an out-of-warrantee machine for $300

14:30:43 [pixel]

wow.

14:30:49 [pixel]

what happened to the machine?

14:30:50 [AaronSw]

(actually, we were given $1000 from the insurance co. for this repair)

14:31:09 [AaronSw]

normal wear and tear, i say :)

14:31:55 [pixel]

that's some good customer service.

14:32:20 [AaronSw]

no kidding

14:32:22 [pixel]

so the yesterday.rss should be a symlink.

14:32:46 [AaronSw]

ok, so you just need to calculate yesterday's day at midnight?

14:33:24 [pixel]

yup.

14:33:48 [pixel]

at midnight, have a cron script that creates the symlick in the proper place, pointing to yesterday's file.

14:34:38 [pixel]

I'll see what I can come up with. all I have to work on is a redhat box though (should be pretty much the same.)

14:34:52 [AaronSw]

this box is a redhat box, so it should be fine

14:34:58 [pixel]

cool.

14:41:39 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/18/technology/18LINU.html

14:41:53 [chumpy]

C: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/18/technology/18LINU.html from AaronSw

14:42:05 [AaronSw]

C:|Disney Embraces GNU/Linux for Film Animation

14:42:12 [chumpy]

titled item C

14:43:02 [pixel]

Pixar has always used unix, and Disney has been using unix in various functions since the mid 80s

14:43:14 [AaronSw]

C::Probably part of their cost-cutting plan: get labor from China, code from the net...

14:43:18 [pixel]

(I was an aspiring computer animator in a previous life)

14:43:22 [chumpy]

commented item C

14:43:27 [AaronSw]

pixel, pls tell the chump

14:46:50 [pixel]

C::Also, Pixar (now nearly a division of Disney) has been using Unix render farms since it's inception, and Disney has been using Unix in various functions (cell coloring, background matte paintings) since the mid 80's

14:47:00 [chumpy]

commented item C

14:48:04 [AaronSw]

I can't imagine Jobs selling out to Disney, but you've got a point there

14:48:55 [pixel]

I don't imagine he'd ever seel out either, but the vast majority of pixar's income is currently from Disney licensing.

14:50:54 [sbp]

Aaron: I thought you'd skimmed all of the comments from the notabug.com logs? could you do so, and/or set a robot.txt file in the meantime to prevent the Web archive from picking it up?

14:51:16 [AaronSw]

sbp, wanna code it? :)

14:51:29 [sbp]

grep -v "> #"

14:51:33 [pixel]

hehe

14:51:49 [AaronSw]

well, i skimmed the comments to read them ;)

14:52:12 [sbp]

well it shouldn't be too difficult to do a search and replace by line, then

14:52:26 [AaronSw]

it's easy for the text ones, but how about the rdf, eh?

14:52:44 [sbp]

robots.txt should do for now until you figure it out

14:52:58 [sbp]

I'm sure that if you want to do something badly enough, you'll figure it out rather quickly

14:53:03 [AaronSw]

eh, i looked thru them -- there wasn't much that was that incriminating

14:53:16 [AaronSw]

even if i skimmed the logs from there, they'd still be in the loggy/logster thing

14:54:08 [sbp]

well, we switched from # to [off] at some point. I'll find out when that was

14:54:25 [AaronSw]

but [off] will appear in the blogspace logs

14:54:34 [AaronSw]

we gotta do a big merge sometime

14:55:09 [sbp]

2002-06-04

14:55:34 [sbp]

yes. just delete # comments from before 2002-06-04 from notabug, and [off] from logster after 2002-06-04

14:56:01 [sbp]

in fact, if you just take the blogspace logs for before 2002-06-04 and the notabug logs from after 2002-06-04, it'll do it automatically

14:56:24 [AaronSw]

what about spots where one dropped out?

14:56:26 [sbp]

(there's just the gap where blogspace went down to account for)

14:56:42 [sbp]

well, pick them up from notabug.com and run grep -v "> #" over it or whatever

14:57:17 [AaronSw]

then we have the rdf logs to deal with

14:57:29 [sbp]

hands up anyone who uses the rdf logs...

14:57:35 [sbp]

O.K. then

14:58:25 [AaronSw]

heh, you're so evil

14:59:04 [sbp]

[drawl] just upholding people's privacy concerns, ma'am. just doin' ma jorb

14:59:44 [AaronSw]

yer jorb, eh?

15:00:30 [sbp]

well, I've said a lot of things in the shadows of the logs too, and if I said them off-log, I'm pretty sure that I did so for a reason

15:00:56 [AaronSw]

That doesn't mean it's a good reason.

15:01:03 [sbp]

really, taking that ability away is a bit cruel, but fair enough... but why not just publish all of your private chat logs for that matter?

15:02:26 [AaronSw]

Hey, if you give me a shell script or a python script or whatever, i'd be happy to fix things up. I'm just lazy.

15:02:41 [sbp]

what's wrong with grep -v "> #"?!

15:02:48 [sbp]

but fine, I'll write something a bit better

15:03:23 [AaronSw]

grep -v on what?

15:03:36 [sbp]

on the missing blogspace logs

15:03:38 [AaronSw]

there are tons of files, you have to make sure the input and the output all go t othe right place

15:04:18 [AaronSw]

$ grep -v "> #"

15:04:20 [AaronSw]

well, go on now

15:04:20 [AaronSw]

well, go on now

15:04:20 [AaronSw]

come on!

15:04:20 [AaronSw]

come on!

15:04:20 [AaronSw]

hey, stop that!

15:04:22 [AaronSw]

hey, stop that!

15:04:42 [sbp]

well, for a start, you can do this rather easily: <sbp> in fact, if you just take the blogspace logs for before 2002-06-04 and the notabug logs from after 2002-06-04, it'll do it automatically

15:05:06 [sbp]

and then you just have to run a simple grep -v or Python regexp 'n' replace over the gap

15:05:21 [AaronSw]

hello! How do i run this grep?

15:05:26 [AaronSw]

this is what i'm asking

15:05:44 [sbp]

oh, gotcha... um

15:05:57 [sbp]

* sbp really should have learned more bash at this point

15:06:08 [AaronSw]

:-)

15:06:37 [sbp]

argh, I'll revert to the wonder-language

15:13:32 [sbp]

[[[

15:13:33 [sbp]

import sys, os, re

15:13:33 [sbp]

def deleteComments(fn):

15:13:33 [sbp]

result, lines = [], open(fn).read().splitlines()

15:13:33 [sbp]

for line in lines:

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if re.compile(r'^\S+ <[^>]+> #.*$').match(line): pass

15:13:38 [sbp]

else: result.append(line)

15:13:38 [sbp]

open(fn, 'w').write('\n'.join(result))

15:13:39 [sbp]

if __name__=="__main__":

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for fn in sys.argv[1:]: deleteComments(fn)

15:13:43 [sbp]

]]]

15:15:07 [sbp]

duh:-

15:15:09 [sbp]

if not re.compile(r'^\S+ <[^>]+> #.*$').match(line): result.append(line)

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15:16:25 [sbp]

tested, and it works

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15:23:15 [Seth]

* Seth waves to room

15:24:00 [BenSw]

Hello

15:24:26 [pixel]

hi ben.

15:27:36 [Seth]

sean, can you see http://robustai.net/sailor/ ?

15:27:59 [sbp]

yep

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15:36:14 [pixel]

aaron: perl script to create the symlink:

15:36:16 [pixel]

[[

15:36:18 [pixel]

($month, $day, $year) = (localtime(time-86400))[4,3,5];

15:36:18 [pixel]

$year += 1900;

15:36:18 [pixel]

if ($month < 10) { $month = "0$month"; }

15:36:18 [pixel]

if ($day < 10) { $day = "0$day"; }

15:36:19 [pixel]

print "$month/$day/$year";

15:36:21 [pixel]

symlink("/weblog/2002/$year/$month/$day/index.rss",'yesterday.rss');

15:36:23 [pixel]

]]

15:36:31 [pixel]

make sure to change the paths in the last line

15:36:48 [AaronSw]

change the paths?

15:36:56 [AaronSw]

ta, tho

15:37:05 [AaronSw]

should i take out the print statement?

15:39:58 [pixel]

ooh. yeah. you can take out the print too.

15:40:13 [pixel]

do you know how to use cron?

15:41:56 [AaronSw]

sorta

15:42:26 [pixel]

I'll send you a cron in a sec then.

15:46:25 [pixel]

ko. had to fix anotehr problem

15:46:41 [pixel]

at the command prompt, type:

15:46:49 [pixel]

crontab -e

15:47:00 [pixel]

this should open vi (or your standard text editor).

15:47:18 [AaronSw]

yep

15:47:18 [pixel]

if it opens vi (or vim), type an uppercase A

15:47:23 [pixel]

(to add a line)

15:47:26 [pixel]

then type:

15:47:45 [pixel]

1 0 * * * /path/to/the/perl/script/yesterday.pl

15:47:53 [pixel]

(replacing the path)

15:48:08 [pixel]

then type ESC :wq!

15:48:17 [pixel]

that will write and quit vi

15:48:46 [pixel]

a dissection of the crontab entry we just made:

15:48:48 [redmonk]

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15:49:00 [redmonk]

swhack!

15:49:05 [pixel]

1 : anytime the minute is equal to 1

15:49:17 [AaronSw]

yeah, i can read crontab entries, i just can't write them

15:49:19 [pixel]

0 : anytime the hour is = 0 (midnight)

15:49:21 [pixel]

ok.

15:49:28 [pixel]

I won't go on =)

15:49:29 [redmonk]

hello all

15:49:32 [pixel]

monk!

15:49:36 [redmonk]

pix!

15:49:45 [pixel]

how's life on your end of the world?

15:49:47 [redmonk]

aaronsw!

15:49:52 [AaronSw]

redmonk!

15:50:04 [redmonk]

good - i have an interview this afternoon

15:50:09 [pixel]

coool!

15:50:16 [pixel]

searching for a new job/

15:50:17 [redmonk]

with desert sky software

15:50:18 [AaronSw]

with swhack or webword?

15:50:25 [AaronSw]

ooh, desert sky

15:50:25 [redmonk]

hehe

15:50:35 [redmonk]

http://www.desertsky.com

15:50:45 [redmonk]

webobjects shop in town - the only other one i think

15:51:22 [AaronSw]

wow, the latency on this server is incredible

15:51:30 [redmonk]

sent them a resume on friday, they called me yesterday am

15:51:41 [pixel]

cool!

15:52:09 [redmonk]

been playing a lot of quake in the meantime :)

15:52:37 [redmonk]

* redmonk looks for morbus...

15:53:32 [pixel]

he's around somewhere.

15:53:38 [redmonk]

heh

15:53:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw fixes a bug in pixel's perl script

15:54:03 [pixel]

what unix distro does everyone use (excluding OSX)? I need something new and different on this other box.

15:54:10 [pixel]

ooh! what bug?

15:54:26 [AaronSw]

-> /weblog/2002/$year/

15:54:34 [AaronSw]

makes /2002/2002/ :)

15:54:35 [pixel]

ah. heheheh

15:55:20 [AaronSw]

hm, your script doesn't rmeove the old yesterday.rss before writing the new one

15:55:54 [pixel]

ooh. it overwrote it on my machine.

15:56:05 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw thinks

15:56:41 [pixel]

before the symlink command do: unlink('path/to/yesterday.rss');

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15:57:33 [AaronSw]

uh oh, i just realized a more serious problem

15:57:38 [AaronSw]

index.rss doesn't technically exist

15:57:44 [redmonk]

Mooooooorbuuuuuuuuussssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!1

15:57:53 [AaronSw]

<sigh />

15:58:11 [Morbus]

monk

15:58:20 [redmonk]

good interview on webword, K.

15:58:39 [pixel]

it doesn't exist?

15:59:18 [pixel]

we'll have to modify chumb if it doesn't exist.

15:59:30 [Morbus]

monk: thanks

15:59:36 [AaronSw]

it's generated on the fly by the server

15:59:56 [AaronSw]

so it doesn't exist at the filesystem level

16:01:19 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw rewrites in Tcl

16:02:13 [pixel]

chumb is written in tcl? yipes!

16:03:17 [AaronSw]

ooh, it's a tcl oneliner

16:03:19 [AaronSw]

ad_returnredirect [clock format [clock [expr [clock seconds] - 86400] -format "http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/%Y/%m/%d/index.rss"]

16:03:45 [pixel]

entertaining.

16:03:50 [redmonk]

looks a bit like smalltalk/obj-c

16:04:05 [pixel]

tcl is a precursor.

16:04:17 [AaronSw]

tcl is actually a very cool language. it has a lispish structure

16:05:05 [pixel]

The only experiece I've had with it is the TiVO web project :)

16:05:12 [redmonk]

ah

16:06:11 [AaronSw]

yeah, it was surprising to see the tivo was written in tcl

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16:06:17 [AaronSw]

pixel, will this work? http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/yesterday.rss

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16:06:36 [pixel]

that should. 'll trty it in amphetadesk.

16:07:24 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (updated 17 June). The site may be overloaded at first but please give it a try. Thanks.

16:08:02 [pixel]

worked like a charm!

16:08:04 [pixel]

thanks!

16:08:19 [AaronSw]

sure

16:08:29 [pixel]

and ampheta is saving the original link, rather than the url it gets redirected to, which is perfect.

16:08:37 [AaronSw]

woo, awesome

16:09:15 [pixel]

now I get to read today's swhack log, and yesterday's ;)

16:15:40 [redmonk]

oh cool! i didn't realize you were working on swhack in rss!

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16:27:39 [Seth]

anybody got a domain with Python 2.2 installed where i could test a sailor agent?

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16:41:54 [sbp]

* sbp mumbles something about the logs not being fixed yet

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16:47:55 [AaronSw]

hahah

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16:48:27 [AaronSw]

hmm

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16:51:35 [AaronSw]

geez, what's up w/ sbp?

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16:52:16 [sbp]

dp seems to have borked

16:57:18 [sbp]

* sbp still finds comments in the logs

16:57:39 [sbp]

are you going to skim them, or not? it's not a difficult procedure, I would have thought

16:58:02 [AaronSw]

geez, you're impatient

16:58:10 [sbp]

yes

16:58:19 [sbp]

because they should have been removed ages ago

16:58:26 [AaronSw]

ok, done

16:58:49 [sbp]

thank you

16:58:55 [AaronSw]

wow, that script was fast

16:59:02 [AaronSw]

it probably deleted everything

16:59:12 [sbp]

yeah, it just kinda goes through the files regexping them all

16:59:17 [sbp]

heh, nope :-)

17:00:18 [sbp]

regexp in Python is so great. I wonder if anybody's put up speed tests

17:00:20 [sbp]

oops, Simpsons

17:00:21 [sbp]

Gotta run

17:00:51 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw combines all the commented text into a single webpage

17:20:24 [AaronSw]

bwahaha: stty intr ^m

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17:34:09 [AaronSw]

deltab, how does one reset dnscache's cache?

17:41:50 [AaronSw]

hm. dnscached seems broken

17:46:40 [AaronSw]

ah, it was my nonstandard root servers

17:46:52 [AaronSw]

well, off they go

17:56:31 [AaronSw]

hah:

17:56:32 [AaronSw]

ajt-woody-sucks@debian.org

18:01:44 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw -> pool

18:02:25 [sbp]

* sbp returns

18:02:42 [AaronSw]

you were just waiting for me to leave, weren't you?

18:04:14 [sbp]

heh, heh

18:04:22 [sbp]

nope, it's 8'o'clock

18:04:32 [sbp]

and shouldn't you be at the pool by now?

18:04:34 [sbp]

:-)

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s/'/ /

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18:30:54 [Morbus]

http://www.librarystuff.net/archives/2002_06_16_index.html#85180418

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18:51:00 [Seth]

sean, did you get my email?

18:51:11 [sbp]

um...

18:51:18 [sbp]

ah, yep

18:51:46 [Seth]

do you know some internet domain that i can test it in?

18:52:11 [sbp]

nope, sorry

18:52:36 [sbp]

can't you just test it locally?

18:52:51 [Seth]

works locally

18:53:08 [sbp]

should be alright, then

18:53:17 [Seth]

so you say

18:57:36 [Ash-w]

SBP

18:57:40 [Ash-w]

!!@@!$!$!!1

18:57:47 [sbp]

RE ASH!

18:58:10 [Ash-w]

How are you doing this lovely afternoon/

18:58:12 [Ash-w]

?

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18:58:39 [sbp]

fine, thanks

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21:39:19 [AaronSw]

<sbp> see how much funnier the conversation is when you don't have a logging bot crammed up your ass?

21:40:03 [AaronSw]

y'know, going swimming is like way more fun than all this internet stuff

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21:42:31 [sbp]

- the non-logged and supposedly-private #sbp

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21:47:27 [Morbus]

AaronSw: i don't know how to swim.

21:47:56 [sbp]

you get to play with one of those rubber rings shaped like a duck

21:48:11 [sbp]

you can't tell me that that isn't more fun that this internet stuff

21:48:12 [AaronSw]

Why am I not surprised? Are you some sort of illegal immigrant? Don't know how to drive, don't know how to swim, don't know how to vote, don't know how to hold a girlfriend...

21:48:26 [AaronSw]

Wait, I take back the last one.

21:48:28 [sbp]

ooh! [handbag]

21:49:53 [AaronSw]

I'm sorry.

21:49:56 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gives Morbus a hug

21:50:21 [Morbus]

* Morbus shrugs Aaron off.

21:50:28 [Morbus]

at least i have a girlfriend. here's a slinky. go play.

21:50:29 [Morbus]

bitch.

21:50:41 [AaronSw]

ooOoOOOOoh!

21:50:44 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw plays with slinky

21:50:45 [Morbus]

<g>

21:50:52 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:58:43 [Morbus]

109 on SF.

21:58:43 [Morbus]

so flipping close.

21:58:43 [Morbus]

9 more!

21:59:00 [sbp]

do you get a prize or something?

21:59:04 [Morbus]

and still on the main page.

21:59:06 [Morbus]

no.

21:59:11 [sbp]

pff

21:59:13 [Morbus]

i just want, once at least, to be in the top 100.

21:59:14 [Morbus]

:)

21:59:29 [Morbus]

[off] sbp: my prize will be coming later. can't talk of it now. still top secret.

21:59:32 [sbp]

how many more downloads would you need?

21:59:37 [sbp]

there's always "while 1"

21:59:43 [sbp]

[off] Hmm...

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* sbp writes up a PEP to introduce "whilst" as a synonym for "while" in Python

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22:03:59 [MorbusIff]

what'd I miss?

22:04:15 [sbp]

<sbp> how many more downloads would you need?

22:04:15 [sbp]

<sbp> there's always "while 1"

22:04:19 [sbp]

[off] Hmm...

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* sbp writes up a PEP to introduce "whilst" as a synonym for "while" in Python

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22:04:48 [AaronSw]

hm, i feel sorta like DW. so much fear and uncertainty here.

22:04:51 [AaronSw]

i think i'll take a nap

22:05:28 [Morbus]

only two more emails. yay.

22:05:41 [Morbus]

heh, weh.

22:05:54 [Morbus]

i think you overload perl's while with a subroutine.

22:06:09 [Morbus]

whilst ( $something == 3 )

22:06:44 [Morbus]

sub whilst { my $expr = @_; my $rc = eval { $expr } return $rc; }

22:06:46 [Morbus]

something like that.

22:06:59 [Morbus]

nah, that wouldn't work.

22:07:00 [Morbus]

neverminmd.

22:07:18 [deltab]

perl6 will probably be able to do that

22:07:29 [deltab]

not that specific syntax

22:07:32 [Morbus]

you know, i'm gotten a lot of comments on the *comments* of my code.

22:07:45 [Morbus]

deltab: have you made it through the regexp perl6 article?

22:07:54 [deltab]

yes, looks good

22:08:01 [Morbus]

i'm about halfies.

22:14:34 [sbp]

? "<AaronSw> hm, i feel sorta like DW. so much fear and uncertainty here."

22:14:49 [sbp]

is Aaron-sleep-IRCing during a nightmare or something?

22:14:54 [sbp]

s/-//

22:15:01 [AaronSw]

nah, just gaia vibes

22:15:11 [sbp]

gaia vibes? heh, cool

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22:15:23 [sbp]

or not so cool, depending on which bit you concentrate on

22:15:55 [sbp]

you ought to write the Gaia Vibe Blues

22:16:38 [AaronSw]

i believe gaia vibes is a JB phrase

22:17:19 [sbp]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&q=%22gaia+vibes%22 doesn't appear to know

22:21:16 [Morbus]

whoo!

22:21:18 [Morbus]

done all my email!

22:21:46 [sbp]

really?

22:21:56 [AaronSw]

SPAM: customized warez CD's

22:22:00 [Morbus]

yeah, nothing else to answer.

22:22:02 [Morbus]

joy.

22:22:08 [sbp]

think again, Morb

22:22:17 [AaronSw]

"We sell Backup CDs, also known as Warez CDs."

22:22:29 [sbp]

heh

22:22:52 [AaronSw]

heh. they're trying to claim that microsoft charges me 280/290 for the CD and manual

22:23:16 [Morbus]

NOOo!

22:23:17 [Morbus]

more mail!

22:23:18 [Morbus]

* Morbus weeps.

22:23:21 [sbp]

heh, heh

22:36:51 [Morbus]

[[[

22:36:51 [Morbus]

Greg Allan a.k.a. Adam_Baum, the lead core developer and one of the four

22:36:51 [Morbus]

founding members of the PostNuke CMS Development Project passed away from

22:36:51 [Morbus]

injuries sustained in a motorcycle accident. The accident occurred June 16,

22:36:51 [Morbus]

2002 near his home in Meaford, Ontario in Canada.

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]]]

22:37:29 [Morbus]

[[[

22:37:29 [Morbus]

Surviving Greg are his parents, Bob and Leona Allan, his girlfriend Kim and her two children Kristin and Kassandra, his dog Chevy, and trusted friend Natasha.

22:37:29 [Morbus]

]]]

22:37:48 [Morbus]

"we are currently working on flowers for the parents, and getting his girlfriend to fall in love with one of the other developers'.

22:45:38 [thelsdj]

i bought a text ad on k5 for raverporn touting it as the only porn site with real community, we'll see if the admins will approve that one lol

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22:54:29 [sbp]

heh!

22:54:29 [sbp]

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22what+am+i+having+for+lunch%3F%22

22:54:38 [sbp]

=> http://sra.itc.it/people/massa/index2.html

22:54:48 [sbp]

and I quote: [[[

22:54:48 [sbp]

Google: What am i having for lunch?

22:54:49 [sbp]

Note: since adding this Google search,

22:54:49 [sbp]

this page became the number one result for that search!

22:54:49 [sbp]

(idea taken from http://infomesh.net/sbp/

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]]]

22:56:08 [sbp]

the meme is spreading. where's wmf when you need him?

23:03:54 [thelsdj]

hehe raverporn ad got approved on kuro5hin

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23:31:53 [sbp]

Aaron's idea about using I-Ds for warez is a bit tacky: there's not a single non-lists.w3.org copy of the ESL draft indexed by Google

23:34:07 [sbp]

oh, I'm wrong: http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-palmer-esl-uri-00.txt

23:36:36 [sbp]

two!: http://www.potaroo.net/ietf/old-ids/draft-palmer-esl-uri-00.txt

23:44:14 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wonders about the proper response when you meet someone's wife.

23:44:14 [AaronSw]

Apparently, "I'll be forever indebted to your husband for sneaking me alcohol." is incorrect.

23:46:34 [AaronSw]

I have so much to learn about social situations...

23:46:38 [thelsdj]

hmmm, when you find out the answer tell me

23:47:50 [AaronSw]

hahahah: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/layout/html/base/src/nsTextFrame.cpp#2904

23:49:08 [AaronSw]

i love blakeross: http://www.blakeross.com/archives/2002_06_09_index.html#77717618

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23:57:42 [wmf]

AaronSw: your HTP post has a bug

23:57:56 [wmf]

"SVG lets you script the animation in Flash"

23:58:02 [AaronSw]

ahahaa

23:58:28 [AaronSw]

ta

23:58:49 [AaronSw]

how did Blake Ross get a job at mozilla?