00:02:45 whoo! http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6486 00:14:17 Minor server split/join in process (16 users) 00:27:15 oierw` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:28:16 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 00:38:21 oierwNOTICE (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 00:57:43 oierw` has quit (Connection timed out) 01:00:31 WOPN is up! If you'd like to participate in tonight's show, join #WOPN here on the network for live interaction and for the links to the show ... This has been a non-critical network announcement here on OPN. If you'd prefer not to receive these messages, simply /mode $YourNick -w (where $YourNick is ... your nick). Thanks! 01:01:14 almost forgot. were running a broadband only stream tonight. see you in #WOPN 01:01:47 heh, it seems that $YourNick has gone global 01:10:56 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:50:18 @ http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~ping/sid/ 01:50:28 A: Secure Interaction Design from AaronSw 01:50:36 AaronSw is back! 01:51:39 oierwNOTICE has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 01:51:58 oierwNOTICE (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 01:55:09 Aaron, wmf, they added your quote: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6486 01:55:39 when did I say that? 01:55:50 ages ago 01:56:05 * wmf googls 01:56:11 2002-03-01.txt:03:19:37 not to have sex with him? 01:56:44 gac (~chatzilla@64.115.24.34) has joined #swhack 01:57:25 argh. i need an irc client that doesn't crash 01:57:27 @ http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52861,00.html 01:57:34 B: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52861,00.html from AaronSw 01:58:17 hi 01:58:20 B:: "'There have been a few instances when unidentified computers have tried to get in, in which case we throw up additional firewalls,' Lt. Col. Bryan Dyer said." 01:58:21 commented item B 01:58:27 B::Schneier: "Is it just me, or does Lt. Col. Dyer come from I-Don't-Get-It Land?" 01:58:28 commented item B 01:58:28 B:|The War in All its Online Glory 01:58:30 titled item B 01:59:13 CRYPTO-GRAM is great this month. So funny... In response to the report that someone hacked into Experian's database and stole 13,000 credit-card numbers, a PR flack said: "Our files are protected by state-of-the-art, Star Wars-style security and encryption technology." 02:00:08 haha 02:00:59 I wonder which one they meant 02:01:07 which movie? 02:01:18 which Star Wars 02:01:24 ah 02:01:39 I hadn't thought of it -- that makes it even funnier! 02:01:44 the SDI program, which may not be feasible and anyway doesn't exist yet 02:01:51 "WARNING: HACKERS WILL BE SHOT WITH SPACE-BORNE LAZERS!!!" 02:02:55 "Star Wars-style encryption" means that your signal comes across all blue and snowy when you're calling from a PLANET THAT DOES NOT EXIST to announce the discovery of a CLONE ARMY 02:03:31 lol! 02:03:36 I looked up the original source of that Stallman quote and I still don't understand why I said it 02:03:37 DO NOT FLIE IN TRENCHEZ K PLZ THX 02:04:14 why you said not to have sex with stallman or why you asked me about it? 02:04:31 heh! 02:04:33 why I said "AaronSw: what did I tell you about Stallman?" 02:04:47 qdb is top on http://www.google.com/search?q=wmf%20sex%20stallman 02:06:11 lol! 02:06:58 I think you were trying to keep me off the GPL 02:07:11 well that, but also to keep him out of your software 02:07:21 don't worry, i couldn't get a license for that 02:07:31 and it'd make the code sorta bloated too. "Why is your program so big?" "Well, we had to include a copy of stallman with it." 02:07:31 03:21:21 heh 02:07:37 oh, I just didn't read far enough 02:07:59 [...] 02:08:00 "I lost 400 pounds on the LZW compression diet!" 02:08:11 that reminds me of wmf's lossy compression joke 02:09:02 yep 02:09:24 I had to resist making that one when 6 of us piled into a small SUV the other day 02:09:37 The tables are turned. 02:10:31 heh, in the letters to the editor column: 02:10:35 I hereby request the immediate removal of false & defamatory comments about my software, ChecksNet, from the following website within ten days of this notice: 02:10:36 http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9906.html#doghouse2 02:10:55 I suggest removing the "doghouse" editorials unless you wish to personally and corporately appear in a "courthouse." 02:11:16 for the record he wrote: 02:11:17 You too can send your bank account name and routing information in the clear over the net. Order your checks from these people. Their Web page clearly states: "ChecksNet protects your personal and bank account information from theft or misuse by encoding and scrambling the data as it is transmitted from this website to us." However, the order form is sent in the clear; they don't use SSL. 02:13:44 heh, I didn't read that 02:13:52 I love how it's presented without comment 02:15:17 yeah, it's goo 02:15:17 d 02:15:33 i'm sure he'll publish the court proceedings like that too 02:15:52 bring it on! 02:16:07 Punch me! I can take it! I know Larry Lessig! 02:16:34 "My friend Brett got hired by the Free Software Foundation. Now he's 02:16:34 my Lessig technique is unstoppable! 02:16:34 living in Boston, far away from his psychotic parents, changing the 02:16:34 world for the better. 02:17:20 I was at dinner with Cory and Lessig. 02:17:20 Cory: All these reviewers keep asking me if Disney will sue me about my book. Will you defend me? 02:17:21 Larry: Sure, they'd be stupid to sue you. 02:17:43 "Ping is attempting the 28-hour-day circadian rhythm, which gives him six days per week. He has a six-day-week clock program for his Treo;it simply counts 70 seconds every minute. This keeps him aware ofwhat time of day it is supposed to be." 02:18:00 whoa 02:18:05 I've never heard of that version 02:18:55 SpamAssassin isn't working for you? 02:19:07 Weird. It's blocked 6000 emails for me. 02:19:08 it is now 02:19:13 ah 02:20:01 the version of the 28-hour-day that I've heard of uses 60 seconds per minute 02:20:35 I don't think minutes actually change, it sounds like just a hack to figure out what "time of day" it is. 02:21:09 I guess the alternative, to have times like 13:45 AM, could be confusing 02:21:13 Dave hasn't updated since yesterday morning? Has he gotten killed? 02:21:31 when the hot tub is rockin, don't come a-knockin' 02:21:46 I *really* didn't need to hear that 02:21:57 sorry 02:23:39 I'm tempted to calculate the days SN hasn't run. 02:23:58 oh geez, the O'Reilly IPv6 animal is a snail 02:24:09 lol! 02:24:24 cite? 02:24:38 but maybe now IPv6 World Domination will happen, now that there's an O'Reilly book 02:25:10 For a while I cared about IPv6 World Domination, but then I realized there is nothing I can do to make it happen. 02:25:24 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ipv6ess/ 02:25:43 you can run IPv6 and harrass developers whose apps don't work with it 02:26:11 How do I do that? Is there an OS X preference for it? Will it work with my cable modem? 02:26:34 unfotunately, OS X IPv6 support hasn't been released yet 02:26:58 but it's easy to set up in recent Linux, BSD, Solaris, and Windows 02:27:56 we also need a v6-enabled version of TCP/IP Illustrated 02:28:24 phew, it's a book, not a magazine 02:28:37 I was getting really worried about the swimsuit edition. 02:28:39 heh 02:29:19 this year's theme: "BOFHs in bikinis" 02:30:22 ala Guido Speedo 02:30:35 now THAT is wrong 02:30:53 cf http://www.python.org/doc/Humor.html#speedo 02:31:45 ... and then someone had the *audacity* to say ... 02:35:54 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:36:09 AaronSw: do you use indexFiles.py from the chump? 02:37:18 nope 02:37:43 ok :) that was my problem. it was not encoding some <>. it is now. I will have to submit a patch. 02:37:51 ah 02:37:55 thanks. 02:38:05 davb has left #swhack 02:44:29 wmf, are you using the latest SpamAssassin? 02:44:45 latest as of when I installed it 02:44:54 when was that? 02:45:03 oddly, it seems to block real spam but not the test spam 02:45:14 heh 02:45:24 that's why I thought it was not working 02:50:33 i love writing python scriptlets. i've got one to see if scripting news is down 02:50:54 "if I had a hammer..." 02:50:55 * AaronSw adds a sleep 3 02:55:35 Someone sent me an email asking how to get Yoda hats. 02:56:07 well first you take your lightsaber, and then you... 02:57:34 [off] "My sister has just gotten her master's degree and all she wants from me as a present is a Yoda hat. The problem is that I can't seem to find one." 02:58:00 why was it changed from # btw? 02:58:26 because i was tired of patching new versions 02:58:43 is [off] the default? 02:58:47 yes 02:58:58 aha: http://cargobay.starwars.com/webapps/cargobay/item-detail/2646 02:59:17 hm, that page isn't very helpful 03:02:21 sbp` (sbp@m465-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:03:29 what's up sbp-mustache 03:04:40 "Jeff "Crash" Goldin, the Yoda of the Red Hat Help Desk" 03:07:25 sbp has quit ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.3") 03:07:29 aargh 03:10:40 sbp (sbp@m815-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:11:30 SeanP (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 03:11:47 sbp has quit (Client Quit) 03:12:20 SeanP is now known as sbp 03:14:31 SN was down: 03:14:31 20011225 03:14:31 20011224 03:15:12 AaronSw and sbp have the same IP address? 03:15:55 you've only just noticed that? 03:16:05 we've only had the same IP address for months 03:16:24 I've only seen you connect at the same time just now 03:16:32 ah 03:16:57 * sbp can smell Vorpal in the air 03:17:58 argh. snak froze again 03:18:24 yes, we both use a dircproxy instance thru my server vorpal 03:18:44 * sbp ^5's Aaron 03:19:06 when Aaron first offered, I think I said something like "why would I need that?" 03:19:08 what a dork 03:19:22 i tried to convince you but you were like "i don't like being on irc" 03:19:26 heh, you were so right 03:19:31 i'm the dork 03:19:43 bwahaha 03:20:09 * sbp can recall not wanting dp, bot can't recall not liking IRC 03:20:14 s/bot/but/ 03:20:20 so many bots, buts, and butts 03:21:59 It wasn't that you didn't like IRC, it was that you didn't want to be on 24hrs-a-day 03:23:09 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-terrell-math-quant-new-para-redefi-bin-math-04.txt 03:23:21 @ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-terrell-math-quant-new-para-redefi-bin-math-04.txt 03:23:28 C: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-terrell-math-quant-new-para-redefi-bin-math-04.txt from wmf 03:23:47 huh? 03:23:49 Please note, the font size for the Tables are smaller than the 03:23:49 expected 12 pts. However, if you are using the most current 03:23:49 Web Browser, the View Section of the Title bar provides you 03:23:49 with the option to either increase or decrease the font size for 03:23:49 comfort level of viewing. That is, provided that this is the 03:23:50 HTML or PDF version. 03:24:23 wtf is that? 03:24:51 this guy is a crank who thinks he can rewrite the fundamentals of math to create more than 2^32 32-bit IP addresses 03:25:02 tell the chump, pls 03:25:05 heh, I recognise that 03:25:18 ahh, him 03:25:23 wow, crazy 03:25:37 C::a different "new kind of science" that attempts to rewrite the fundamentals of math to create more than 2^32 32-bit IP addresses 03:25:39 commented item C 03:26:02 he has this idea about 0 not being a number or something 03:26:17 C::"This work is Dedicated to my first and only child, 'Yahnay', who is; the Mover of Dreams, the Maker of Reality, and the 'Princess of the New Universe'. (E.T.)" 03:26:18 commented item C 03:27:08 sometimes reading this stuff is fun 03:27:17 it sounds like it's from the 19th century 03:27:44 hey, don't insult C19 authors. they did their best :-) 03:28:14 I love the Great Capitalization of Truth and Beauty. 03:28:17 yes, very 19c 03:28:35 sbp` has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:28:36 c19? canonicalization? 03:28:42 heh 03:28:46 whereas in the 21st century we use CAPITALIZATION OF THE REPUBLIC 03:29:19 i think we should switch to unary 03:29:55 how many ips does his system get us? it looks like just 1 03:30:16 err, how many more ips 03:30:21 you are not even intelligent enough to understand how many IPs! 03:30:32 oierwNOTICE is now known as oierw 03:30:32 obviously you are not worthy! 03:30:35 :-) 03:30:46 * AaronSw grovels 03:30:56 you must be stuck in that "conventional thinking" 03:31:17 i bet this guy is against the Stop Energy too 03:31:39 ugh: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yoon-pkix-wireless-internet-01.txt 03:31:52 i have an internet draft. i'm special 03:32:16 they deleted mine. I'm not 03:32:18 every crank on the net has an I-D apparently 03:32:55 i wonder if I-Ds can be used to distribute warez. 03:33:05 they have a large mirroring system 03:33:41 now, that's actually an intreguing idea 03:33:51 just use usenet 03:33:53 who need plesh when we have I-Ds? 03:34:01 since SF wouldn't let me use it to distribute warez :( 03:34:14 even H@rl@n 3ll1s0n can't control usenet 03:34:23 heh 03:34:35 prob is msg size is so small 03:34:50 i think archive.org is still the best for warez 03:34:59 that's why there's specialized splitting/leeching software 03:35:24 if we wanted to force a download, we'd use bittorrent 03:35:46 hey, if you want warez, you gotta work for it 03:36:03 nah, i'm all about warez for the masses. 03:36:06 I doubt it's a good idea to encourage the use of archive.org for warez 03:36:08 one-click warez 03:36:19 deltab, why's that? 03:36:21 * wmf informs Bezos 03:36:48 it's ok since no one is paying for the warez 03:37:32 * wmf patents one-click warez 03:38:02 ooh, RMS annotated amazon patent: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazonpatent 03:38:24 "xeyes is the industry standard important killer app for X" 03:38:50 W3C is starting a new xeyes working group 03:39:03 it's based on xml 03:39:12 the angle brackets move to track the mouse 03:39:19 hehe 03:39:24 < ^ > v 03:41:36 hmm, I stretched the right column on The AaronSw Weblog 03:41:50 IE folds it 03:41:57 ooh, lots of SN outtae in 2000 03:44:07 I guess the only thing worse than a snail would be some animal that involves vapor 03:46:01 whoo, i got a link from wmf 03:49:24 I can't believe there's a Discovery Wings channel 03:49:34 this really is the future 03:49:52 heh, heh: "Incidentally, if you really want to find a copy of The Spectator, I suggest visiting your local British library's periodical section." - http://www.resistentialism.net/ 03:49:52 what if you live in Australia? 03:52:37 I wish i had dan gillmor's job 03:55:40 James Joyce <-- CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED 03:57:21 lol! ""Excuse me, is this your node I'm on?" "Yes," he said, then came over. "You're Doc Searls!" I said, "Yes!" And he said "Fuck me!" and held out his hand. Damn! It's his fucking node! 03:57:21 � Now the three of us are sitting here, talking RSS trash. I love it! The Revolution is on, People! I haven't felt this jazzed and with-it since the Sixties. (Even if you can't relate to that, it's still Deep Fun, which recently taught me to get exercize this way.) 03:57:21 � [Later...] Alan Reiter's on the case already. And Ben just told me that Danger's new "hiptop" will be out soon, and that Jabber has been ported to it (among other cool things). Also that his father-in-law is none other than Olaf Soderblom, father of Token Ring. And now he's telling me about Telecom sans Frontiers, a" 03:59:01 [insert controversial insult here] 04:06:15 * wmf watches robots destroy themselves on techtv 04:07:00 that soudns demeaning to robots 04:07:37 are you one of those robots-rights activists? 04:07:46 * wmf eyes AaronSw suspiciously 04:08:05 * sbp wonders if anyone ever told Aaron that it's us vs. them 04:08:13 cf. http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-08/05.gif 04:08:16 I'm a robot. 04:08:22 part of http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-08/mi-08.html 04:08:42 animated gif robots! 04:08:54 heh 04:08:58 heh. that page deserves its own Website 04:09:19 i can't belive h'es still on monkeytown 04:09:25 it's not as cool as poke the penguin 04:11:03 what's Poke's relation to Tux? 04:11:34 Poke must be the bitter, non-famous little brother 04:12:00 * AaronSw downloads Joan Baez - Dear Lanlord 04:12:09 must be about DW 04:12:22 Lanlord? 04:12:23 what?! 04:12:26 landlord 04:12:29 get the Dylan version! 04:12:32 Master of the Domain Controller 04:12:35 Dear Landlord, I really hate my neighbor. I want to dip him in lava... 04:12:41 heh 04:12:48 *Dylan* version. now! 04:12:53 AG blocked it :( 04:13:01 Custom remixes Baez? 04:13:08 buy it! 04:13:09 :-) 04:13:27 ooh, the nuclear proliferation song 04:13:49 Album: Baez sings Dylan 04:14:45 * sbp has been playing JWH a lot lately 04:16:17 JWH? 04:16:44 John Wesley Harding 04:16:52 the album with Dear Landlord on it 04:18:36 woo! http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sean+B.+Palmer%22+photos 04:19:04 * sbp sobs 04:42:24 heh! http://www.scripting.com/98/03/stories/lisasSong.html 04:43:28 heh, that's more like it 05:02:01 argh, another client crash 05:02:05 i don't know what's up qith snak. 05:02:15 maybe i should trash its prefs 05:09:51 AaronSw has quit ("Permission revoked - dircproxy 1.0.3") 05:10:06 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:11:15 we'll see how this works out 05:11:49 http://ipwebdev.com/life.jpg that one looks kinda neat *goes back to playing with diff patterns* 05:35:06 wmf has quit ("[BX] We drink more beers than Norm on Cheers!") 05:53:13 ow, my neck hurts 05:53:21 * AaronSw -> sleep 07:43:29 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 07:43:46 g'morning 08:24:08 justme (~justme@rot2-p2952.dial.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 10:11:22 justme has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:12:23 justme (~justme@p4175.vwr.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 10:41:30 tav (~chatzilla@modem-111.ar-gimilzor.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 12:05:30 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We need to move a main rotation server. Please bear with us for this fairly large split and rejoin. 12:06:12 AaronSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:12 sbp has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:12 Ash has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:12 thelsdj has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:12 chumpy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:12 loggy has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:12 Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:06:57 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 12:06:57 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 12:06:57 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 12:06:57 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 12:06:57 thelsdj (~adam@p47.tc3.rnktel.net) has joined #swhack 12:06:57 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 12:06:57 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 12:09:39 [GlobalNotice] That should do it. Apologies for the inconvenience. Thanks for your patience, and thank you for using OPN! 12:18:29 tav has quit ("Hakuna Matata") 12:24:34 justme has quit (No route to host) 13:17:06 justme (~justme@i0248.vwa.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 14:04:41 Mollux (~mollux@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 14:04:46 hey Mollux 14:05:27 !nsl foo.com 14:14:09 A:|The Mathematics of Quantification, and the New Paradigm, which Re-Defines Binary Mathematics 14:14:14 titled item A 14:14:35 C:|The Mathematics of Quantification, and the New Paradigm, which Re-Defines Binary Mathematics 14:14:37 titled item C 14:14:42 A:|Secure Interaction Design 14:14:43 titled item A 14:21:13 Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 14:26:21 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:05:58 justme has quit (No route to host) 15:19:08 gac has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]") 16:09:27 hm. someone has found the checksum algorithm 16:22:55 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (June 14). The site may be overloaded at first but please give it a try. Thanks. 17:20:57 oierw (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 17:32:35 lol! we own "Morbus Iff" on google 17:37:37 i wonder if theres a term for reading multiple books at once where you read a chapter of one book and whichever book you have read the least number of pages of you read a chapter from that book next, rinse and repeat 17:55:33 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 17:56:06 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 17:56:06 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:56:24 swhack! 18:08:45 oierw` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:08:52 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 18:19:00 wmf! 18:20:36 howdy 18:22:17 when's your birthday? 4/9 or 4/10? 18:22:56 you have it down to two days but you don't know which one? 18:23:12 i'm guessing the second 18:23:20 err the latter 18:23:42 ah, it is according to dave 18:24:11 Mon, Apr 10, 1978 18:24:21 * AaronSw adds to his Entourage Knowledge Base 18:24:57 soon, all the birthdays and middle names will be within my grasph 18:25:04 heh 18:25:14 grasp? graph? both? 18:25:22 yeah 18:25:30 it was a cool typo 18:25:31 yeah, David Mc is bashing Apache! 18:25:44 * thelsdj ponders what properties a network of tracks connected by dj sets might have 18:26:01 * thelsdj wishes he had a really nice database of those connections 18:26:48 you bash apache? look who's talking mr. betty/zserver 18:27:11 what's wrong with zserver? 18:27:54 at work I am Mr. TUX 18:28:01 events events events events 18:28:02 ah. 18:28:20 I don't know what's wrong with zserver, but it's part of Zope so there must be something. ;-) 18:28:30 SeanP (sean@m1012-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 18:28:43 did dp eat seanyp again? 18:28:56 nope, I'mon the other computer 18:29:01 * SeanP waves 18:29:06 SeanP is now known as sbp` 18:29:19 and what's wrong with Zope? 18:29:25 it sucks 18:29:54 it even sucks eggs through a very thin straw ;) 18:30:14 Actually Zope is pretty cool, it's just sadenning that they made it so monsterously complex. 18:30:31