IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-16

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00:02:45 [sbp]
whoo! http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6486
00:14:17 [walloper]
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<misato> WOPN is up! If you'd like to participate in tonight's show, join #WOPN here on the network for live interaction and for the links to the show ... This has been a non-critical network announcement here on OPN. If you'd prefer not to receive these messages, simply /mode $YourNick -w (where $YourNick is ... your nick). Thanks!
01:01:14 [walloper]
<misato> almost forgot. were running a broadband only stream tonight. see you in #WOPN
01:01:47 [sbp]
heh, it seems that $YourNick has gone global
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01:50:18 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.sims.berkeley.edu/~ping/sid/
01:50:28 [chumpy]
A: Secure Interaction Design from AaronSw
01:50:36 [wmf]
AaronSw is back!
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01:55:09 [sbp]
Aaron, wmf, they added your quote: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?6486
01:55:39 [wmf]
when did I say that?
01:55:50 [sbp]
ages ago
01:56:05 [wmf]
* wmf googls
01:56:11 [sbp]
2002-03-01.txt:03:19:37 <AaronSw> not to have sex with him?
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01:57:25 [AaronSw]
argh. i need an irc client that doesn't crash
01:57:27 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52861,00.html
01:57:34 [chumpy]
B: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52861,00.html from AaronSw
01:58:17 [AaronSw]
hi
01:58:20 [AaronSw]
B:: "'There have been a few instances when unidentified computers have tried to get in, in which case we throw up additional firewalls,' Lt. Col. Bryan Dyer said."
01:58:21 [chumpy]
commented item B
01:58:27 [AaronSw]
B::Schneier: "Is it just me, or does Lt. Col. Dyer come from I-Don't-Get-It Land?"
01:58:28 [chumpy]
commented item B
01:58:28 [AaronSw]
B:|The War in All its Online Glory
01:58:30 [chumpy]
titled item B
01:59:13 [AaronSw]
CRYPTO-GRAM is great this month. So funny... In response to the report that someone hacked into Experian's database and stole 13,000 credit-card numbers, a PR flack said: "Our files are protected by state-of-the-art, Star Wars-style security and encryption technology."
02:00:08 [deltab]
haha
02:00:59 [deltab]
I wonder which one they meant
02:01:07 [AaronSw]
which movie?
02:01:18 [deltab]
which Star Wars
02:01:24 [AaronSw]
ah
02:01:39 [AaronSw]
I hadn't thought of it -- that makes it even funnier!
02:01:44 [deltab]
the SDI program, which may not be feasible and anyway doesn't exist yet
02:01:51 [AaronSw]
"WARNING: HACKERS WILL BE SHOT WITH SPACE-BORNE LAZERS!!!"
02:02:55 [wmf]
"Star Wars-style encryption" means that your signal comes across all blue and snowy when you're calling from a PLANET THAT DOES NOT EXIST to announce the discovery of a CLONE ARMY
02:03:31 [AaronSw]
lol!
02:03:36 [wmf]
I looked up the original source of that Stallman quote and I still don't understand why I said it
02:03:37 [deltab]
DO NOT FLIE IN TRENCHEZ K PLZ THX
02:04:14 [AaronSw]
why you said not to have sex with stallman or why you asked me about it?
02:04:31 [AaronSw]
heh!
02:04:33 [wmf]
why I said "AaronSw: what did I tell you about Stallman?"
02:04:47 [AaronSw]
qdb is top on http://www.google.com/search?q=wmf%20sex%20stallman
02:06:11 [sbp]
lol!
02:06:58 [AaronSw]
I think you were trying to keep me off the GPL
02:07:11 [AaronSw]
<wmf> well that, but also to keep him out of your software
02:07:21 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> don't worry, i couldn't get a license for that
02:07:31 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> and it'd make the code sorta bloated too. "Why is your program so big?" "Well, we had to include a copy of stallman with it."
02:07:31 [AaronSw]
03:21:21 <tansaku23> heh
02:07:37 [wmf]
oh, I just didn't read far enough
02:07:59 [AaronSw]
[...]
02:08:00 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> "I lost 400 pounds on the LZW compression diet!"
02:08:11 [AaronSw]
that reminds me of wmf's lossy compression joke
02:09:02 [wmf]
yep
02:09:24 [wmf]
I had to resist making that one when 6 of us piled into a small SUV the other day
02:09:37 [AaronSw]
The tables are turned.
02:10:31 [AaronSw]
heh, in the letters to the editor column:
02:10:35 [AaronSw]
I hereby request the immediate removal of false & defamatory comments about my software, ChecksNet, from the following website within ten days of this notice:
02:10:36 [AaronSw]
http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9906.html#doghouse2
02:10:55 [AaronSw]
I suggest removing the "doghouse" editorials unless you wish to personally and corporately appear in a "courthouse."
02:11:16 [AaronSw]
for the record he wrote:
02:11:17 [AaronSw]
You too can send your bank account name and routing information in the clear over the net. Order your checks from these people. Their Web page clearly states: "ChecksNet protects your personal and bank account information from theft or misuse by encoding and scrambling the data as it is transmitted from this website to us." However, the order form is sent in the clear; they don't use SSL.
02:13:44 [wmf]
heh, I didn't read that
02:13:52 [wmf]
I love how it's presented without comment
02:15:17 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's goo
02:15:17 [AaronSw]
d
02:15:33 [AaronSw]
i'm sure he'll publish the court proceedings like that too
02:15:52 [wmf]
<Schneier> bring it on!
02:16:07 [AaronSw]
Punch me! I can take it! I know Larry Lessig!
02:16:34 [AaronSw]
"My friend Brett got hired by the Free Software Foundation. Now he's
02:16:34 [wmf]
<Schneier> my Lessig technique is unstoppable!
02:16:34 [AaronSw]
living in Boston, far away from his psychotic parents, changing the
02:16:34 [AaronSw]
world for the better.
02:17:20 [AaronSw]
I was at dinner with Cory and Lessig.
02:17:20 [AaronSw]
Cory: All these reviewers keep asking me if Disney will sue me about my book. Will you defend me?
02:17:21 [AaronSw]
Larry: Sure, they'd be stupid to sue you.
02:17:43 [AaronSw]
"Ping is attempting the 28-hour-day circadian rhythm, which gives him six days per week. He has a six-day-week clock program for his Treo;it simply counts 70 seconds every minute. This keeps him aware ofwhat time of day it is supposed to be."
02:18:00 [wmf]
whoa
02:18:05 [wmf]
I've never heard of that version
02:18:55 [AaronSw]
SpamAssassin isn't working for you?
02:19:07 [AaronSw]
Weird. It's blocked 6000 emails for me.
02:19:08 [wmf]
it is now
02:19:13 [AaronSw]
ah
02:20:01 [wmf]
the version of the 28-hour-day that I've heard of uses 60 seconds per minute
02:20:35 [AaronSw]
I don't think minutes actually change, it sounds like just a hack to figure out what "time of day" it is.
02:21:09 [wmf]
I guess the alternative, to have times like 13:45 AM, could be confusing
02:21:13 [AaronSw]
Dave hasn't updated since yesterday morning? Has he gotten killed?
02:21:31 [wmf]
when the hot tub is rockin, don't come a-knockin'
02:21:46 [AaronSw]
I *really* didn't need to hear that
02:21:57 [wmf]
sorry
02:23:39 [AaronSw]
I'm tempted to calculate the days SN hasn't run.
02:23:58 [wmf]
oh geez, the O'Reilly IPv6 animal is a snail
02:24:09 [AaronSw]
lol!
02:24:24 [AaronSw]
cite?
02:24:38 [wmf]
but maybe now IPv6 World Domination will happen, now that there's an O'Reilly book
02:25:10 [AaronSw]
For a while I cared about IPv6 World Domination, but then I realized there is nothing I can do to make it happen.
02:25:24 [wmf]
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ipv6ess/
02:25:43 [wmf]
you can run IPv6 and harrass developers whose apps don't work with it
02:26:11 [AaronSw]
How do I do that? Is there an OS X preference for it? Will it work with my cable modem?
02:26:34 [wmf]
unfotunately, OS X IPv6 support hasn't been released yet
02:26:58 [wmf]
but it's easy to set up in recent Linux, BSD, Solaris, and Windows
02:27:56 [wmf]
we also need a v6-enabled version of TCP/IP Illustrated
02:28:24 [AaronSw]
phew, it's a book, not a magazine
02:28:37 [AaronSw]
I was getting really worried about the swimsuit edition.
02:28:39 [wmf]
heh
02:29:19 [wmf]
this year's theme: "BOFHs in bikinis"
02:30:22 [AaronSw]
ala Guido Speedo
02:30:35 [wmf]
now THAT is wrong
02:30:53 [AaronSw]
cf http://www.python.org/doc/Humor.html#speedo
02:31:45 [AaronSw]
... and then someone had the *audacity* to say ...
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02:36:09 [davb]
AaronSw: do you use indexFiles.py from the chump?
02:37:18 [AaronSw]
nope
02:37:43 [davb]
ok :) that was my problem. it was not encoding some <>. it is now. I will have to submit a patch.
02:37:51 [AaronSw]
ah
02:37:55 [davb]
thanks.
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02:44:29 [AaronSw]
wmf, are you using the latest SpamAssassin?
02:44:45 [wmf]
latest as of when I installed it
02:44:54 [AaronSw]
when was that?
02:45:03 [wmf]
oddly, it seems to block real spam but not the test spam
02:45:14 [AaronSw]
heh
02:45:24 [wmf]
that's why I thought it was not working
02:50:33 [AaronSw]
i love writing python scriptlets. i've got one to see if scripting news is down
02:50:54 [sbp]
"if I had a hammer..."
02:50:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds a sleep 3
02:55:35 [AaronSw]
Someone sent me an email asking how to get Yoda hats.
02:56:07 [wmf]
well first you take your lightsaber, and then you...
02:57:34 [AaronSw]
[off] "My sister has just gotten her master's degree and all she wants from me as a present is a Yoda hat. The problem is that I can't seem to find one."
02:58:00 [wmf]
why was it changed from # btw?
02:58:26 [AaronSw]
because i was tired of patching new versions
02:58:43 [wmf]
is [off] the default?
02:58:47 [AaronSw]
yes
02:58:58 [AaronSw]
aha: http://cargobay.starwars.com/webapps/cargobay/item-detail/2646
02:59:17 [AaronSw]
hm, that page isn't very helpful
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03:03:29 [AaronSw]
what's up sbp-mustache
03:04:40 [AaronSw]
"Jeff "Crash" Goldin, the Yoda of the Red Hat Help Desk"
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03:07:29 [AaronSw]
aargh
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03:14:31 [AaronSw]
SN was down:
03:14:31 [AaronSw]
20011225
03:14:31 [AaronSw]
20011224
03:15:12 [deltab]
AaronSw and sbp have the same IP address?
03:15:55 [sbp]
you've only just noticed that?
03:16:05 [sbp]
we've only had the same IP address for months
03:16:24 [deltab]
I've only seen you connect at the same time just now
03:16:32 [sbp]
ah
03:16:57 [sbp]
* sbp can smell Vorpal in the air
03:17:58 [AaronSw]
argh. snak froze again
03:18:24 [AaronSw]
yes, we both use a dircproxy instance thru my server vorpal
03:18:44 [sbp]
* sbp ^5's Aaron
03:19:06 [sbp]
when Aaron first offered, I think I said something like "why would I need that?"
03:19:08 [sbp]
what a dork
03:19:22 [AaronSw]
i tried to convince you but you were like "i don't like being on irc"
03:19:26 [AaronSw]
heh, you were so right
03:19:31 [AaronSw]
i'm the dork
03:19:43 [sbp]
bwahaha
03:20:09 [sbp]
* sbp can recall not wanting dp, bot can't recall not liking IRC
03:20:14 [sbp]
s/bot/but/
03:20:20 [sbp]
so many bots, buts, and butts
03:21:59 [AaronSw]
It wasn't that you didn't like IRC, it was that you didn't want to be on 24hrs-a-day
03:23:09 [wmf]
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-terrell-math-quant-new-para-redefi-bin-math-04.txt
03:23:21 [wmf]
@ http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-terrell-math-quant-new-para-redefi-bin-math-04.txt
03:23:28 [chumpy]
C: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-terrell-math-quant-new-para-redefi-bin-math-04.txt from wmf
03:23:47 [AaronSw]
huh?
03:23:49 [AaronSw]
Please note, the font size for the Tables are smaller than the
03:23:49 [AaronSw]
expected 12 pts. However, if you are using the most current
03:23:49 [AaronSw]
Web Browser, the View Section of the Title bar provides you
03:23:49 [AaronSw]
with the option to either increase or decrease the font size for
03:23:49 [AaronSw]
comfort level of viewing. That is, provided that this is the
03:23:50 [AaronSw]
HTML or PDF version.
03:24:23 [AaronSw]
wtf is that?
03:24:51 [wmf]
this guy is a crank who thinks he can rewrite the fundamentals of math to create more than 2^32 32-bit IP addresses
03:25:02 [AaronSw]
tell the chump, pls
03:25:05 [deltab]
heh, I recognise that
03:25:18 [deltab]
ahh, him
03:25:23 [AaronSw]
wow, crazy
03:25:37 [wmf]
C::a different "new kind of science" that attempts to rewrite the fundamentals of math to create more than 2^32 32-bit IP addresses
03:25:39 [chumpy]
commented item C
03:26:02 [deltab]
he has this idea about 0 not being a number or something
03:26:17 [AaronSw]
C::"This work is Dedicated to my first and only child, 'Yahnay', who is; the Mover of Dreams, the Maker of Reality, and the 'Princess of the New Universe'. (E.T.)"
03:26:18 [chumpy]
commented item C
03:27:08 [wmf]
sometimes reading this stuff is fun
03:27:17 [wmf]
it sounds like it's from the 19th century
03:27:44 [sbp]
hey, don't insult C19 authors. they did their best :-)
03:28:14 [AaronSw]
I love the Great Capitalization of Truth and Beauty.
03:28:17 [AaronSw]
yes, very 19c
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03:28:36 [AaronSw]
c19? canonicalization?
03:28:42 [sbp]
heh
03:28:46 [wmf]
whereas in the 21st century we use CAPITALIZATION OF THE REPUBLIC
03:29:19 [AaronSw]
i think we should switch to unary
03:29:55 [AaronSw]
how many ips does his system get us? it looks like just 1
03:30:16 [AaronSw]
err, how many more ips
03:30:21 [wmf]
you are not even intelligent enough to understand how many IPs!
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03:30:32 [wmf]
obviously you are not worthy!
03:30:35 [wmf]
:-)
03:30:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grovels
03:30:56 [wmf]
you must be stuck in that "conventional thinking"
03:31:17 [AaronSw]
i bet this guy is against the Stop Energy too
03:31:39 [wmf]
ugh: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-yoon-pkix-wireless-internet-01.txt
03:31:52 [AaronSw]
i have an internet draft. i'm special
03:32:16 [sbp]
they deleted mine. I'm not
03:32:18 [wmf]
every crank on the net has an I-D apparently
03:32:55 [AaronSw]
i wonder if I-Ds can be used to distribute warez.
03:33:05 [AaronSw]
they have a large mirroring system
03:33:41 [sbp]
now, that's actually an intreguing idea
03:33:51 [wmf]
just use usenet
03:33:53 [sbp]
who need plesh when we have I-Ds?
03:34:01 [AaronSw]
since SF wouldn't let me use it to distribute warez :(
03:34:14 [wmf]
even H@rl@n 3ll1s0n can't control usenet
03:34:23 [AaronSw]
heh
03:34:35 [AaronSw]
prob is msg size is so small
03:34:50 [AaronSw]
i think archive.org is still the best for warez
03:34:59 [wmf]
that's why there's specialized splitting/leeching software
03:35:24 [AaronSw]
if we wanted to force a download, we'd use bittorrent
03:35:46 [wmf]
hey, if you want warez, you gotta work for it
03:36:03 [AaronSw]
nah, i'm all about warez for the masses.
03:36:06 [deltab]
I doubt it's a good idea to encourage the use of archive.org for warez
03:36:08 [AaronSw]
one-click warez
03:36:19 [AaronSw]
deltab, why's that?
03:36:21 [wmf]
* wmf informs Bezos
03:36:48 [AaronSw]
it's ok since no one is paying for the warez
03:37:32 [wmf]
* wmf patents one-click warez
03:38:02 [AaronSw]
ooh, RMS annotated amazon patent: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazonpatent
03:38:24 [wmf]
"xeyes is the industry standard important killer app for X"
03:38:50 [AaronSw]
W3C is starting a new xeyes working group
03:39:03 [AaronSw]
it's based on xml
03:39:12 [AaronSw]
the angle brackets move to track the mouse
03:39:19 [deltab]
hehe
03:39:24 [AaronSw]
< ^ > v
03:41:36 [wmf]
hmm, I stretched the right column on The AaronSw Weblog
03:41:50 [AaronSw]
IE folds it
03:41:57 [AaronSw]
ooh, lots of SN outtae in 2000
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I guess the only thing worse than a snail would be some animal that involves vapor
03:46:01 [AaronSw]
whoo, i got a link from wmf
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I can't believe there's a Discovery Wings channel
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this really is the future
03:49:52 [sbp]
<sbp> heh, heh: "Incidentally, if you really want to find a copy of The Spectator, I suggest visiting your local British library's periodical section." - http://www.resistentialism.net/
03:49:52 [sbp]
<sbp> what if you live in Australia?
03:52:37 [AaronSw]
I wish i had dan gillmor's job
03:55:40 [AaronSw]
James Joyce <-- CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED
03:57:21 [AaronSw]
lol! ""Excuse me, is this your node I'm on?" "Yes," he said, then came over. "You're Doc Searls!" I said, "Yes!" And he said "Fuck me!" and held out his hand. Damn! It's his fucking node!
03:57:21 [AaronSw]
 Now the three of us are sitting here, talking RSS trash. I love it! The Revolution is on, People! I haven't felt this jazzed and with-it since the Sixties. (Even if you can't relate to that, it's still Deep Fun, which recently taught me to get exercize this way.)
03:57:21 [AaronSw]
 [Later...] Alan Reiter's on the case already. And Ben just told me that Danger's new "hiptop" will be out soon, and that Jabber has been ported to it (among other cool things). Also that his father-in-law is none other than Olaf Soderblom, father of Token Ring. And now he's telling me about Telecom sans Frontiers, a"
03:59:01 [sbp]
[insert controversial insult here]
04:06:15 [wmf]
* wmf watches robots destroy themselves on techtv
04:07:00 [AaronSw]
that soudns demeaning to robots
04:07:37 [wmf]
are you one of those robots-rights activists?
04:07:46 [wmf]
* wmf eyes AaronSw suspiciously
04:08:05 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if anyone ever told Aaron that it's us vs. them
04:08:13 [AaronSw]
cf. http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-08/05.gif
04:08:16 [AaronSw]
I'm a robot.
04:08:22 [AaronSw]
part of http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-08/mi-08.html
04:08:42 [AaronSw]
animated gif robots!
04:08:54 [wmf]
heh
04:08:58 [sbp]
heh. that page deserves its own Website
04:09:19 [AaronSw]
i can't belive h'es still on monkeytown
04:09:25 [wmf]
it's not as cool as poke the penguin
04:11:03 [AaronSw]
what's Poke's relation to Tux?
04:11:34 [wmf]
Poke must be the bitter, non-famous little brother
04:12:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw downloads Joan Baez - Dear Lanlord
04:12:09 [AaronSw]
must be about DW
04:12:22 [deltab]
Lanlord?
04:12:23 [sbp]
what?!
04:12:26 [AaronSw]
landlord
04:12:29 [sbp]
get the Dylan version!
04:12:32 [deltab]
Master of the Domain Controller
04:12:35 [AaronSw]
Dear Landlord, I really hate my neighbor. I want to dip him in lava...
04:12:41 [wmf]
heh
04:12:48 [sbp]
*Dylan* version. now!
04:12:53 [AaronSw]
AG blocked it :(
04:13:01 [wmf]
Custom remixes Baez?
04:13:08 [sbp]
buy it!
04:13:09 [sbp]
:-)
04:13:27 [AaronSw]
ooh, the nuclear proliferation song
04:13:49 [AaronSw]
Album: Baez sings Dylan
04:14:45 [sbp]
* sbp has been playing JWH a lot lately
04:16:17 [AaronSw]
JWH?
04:16:44 [sbp]
John Wesley Harding
04:16:52 [sbp]
the album with Dear Landlord on it
04:18:36 [AaronSw]
woo! http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sean+B.+Palmer%22+photos
04:19:04 [sbp]
* sbp sobs
04:42:24 [AaronSw]
heh! http://www.scripting.com/98/03/stories/lisasSong.html
04:43:28 [sbp]
heh, that's more like it
05:02:01 [AaronSw]
argh, another client crash
05:02:05 [AaronSw]
i don't know what's up qith snak.
05:02:15 [AaronSw]
maybe i should trash its prefs
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05:11:15 [AaronSw]
we'll see how this works out
05:11:49 [thelsdj]
http://ipwebdev.com/life.jpg that one looks kinda neat *goes back to playing with diff patterns*
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ow, my neck hurts
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* AaronSw -> sleep
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g'morning
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We need to move a main rotation server. Please bear with us for this fairly large split and rejoin.
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[GlobalNotice] That should do it. Apologies for the inconvenience. Thanks for your patience, and thank you for using OPN!
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hey Mollux
14:05:27 [AaronSw]
!nsl foo.com
14:14:09 [AaronSw]
A:|The Mathematics of Quantification, and the New Paradigm, which Re-Defines Binary Mathematics
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titled item A
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C:|The Mathematics of Quantification, and the New Paradigm, which Re-Defines Binary Mathematics
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titled item C
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A:|Secure Interaction Design
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titled item A
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hm. someone has found the checksum algorithm
16:22:55 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (June 14). The site may be overloaded at first but please give it a try. Thanks.
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17:32:35 [AaronSw]
lol! we own "Morbus Iff" on google
17:37:37 [thelsdj]
i wonder if theres a term for reading multiple books at once where you read a chapter of one book and whichever book you have read the least number of pages of you read a chapter from that book next, rinse and repeat
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swhack!
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18:19:00 [AaronSw]
wmf!
18:20:36 [wmf]
howdy
18:22:17 [AaronSw]
when's your birthday? 4/9 or 4/10?
18:22:56 [wmf]
you have it down to two days but you don't know which one?
18:23:12 [AaronSw]
i'm guessing the second
18:23:20 [AaronSw]
err the latter
18:23:42 [AaronSw]
ah, it is according to dave
18:24:11 [AaronSw]
Mon, Apr 10, 1978
18:24:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds to his Entourage Knowledge Base
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soon, all the birthdays and middle names will be within my grasph
18:25:04 [wmf]
heh
18:25:14 [deltab]
grasp? graph? both?
18:25:22 [AaronSw]
yeah
18:25:30 [AaronSw]
it was a cool typo
18:25:31 [wmf]
yeah, David Mc is bashing Apache!
18:25:44 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj ponders what properties a network of tracks connected by dj sets might have
18:26:01 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj wishes he had a really nice database of those connections
18:26:48 [AaronSw]
you bash apache? look who's talking mr. betty/zserver
18:27:11 [wmf]
what's wrong with zserver?
18:27:54 [wmf]
at work I am Mr. TUX
18:28:01 [wmf]
events events events events
18:28:02 [AaronSw]
ah.
18:28:20 [AaronSw]
I don't know what's wrong with zserver, but it's part of Zope so there must be something. ;-)
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did dp eat seanyp again?
18:28:56 [SeanP]
nope, I'mon the other computer
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* SeanP waves
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18:29:19 [wmf]
and what's wrong with Zope?
18:29:25 [sbp`]
it sucks
18:29:54 [quasi]
it even sucks eggs through a very thin straw ;)
18:30:14 [AaronSw]
Actually Zope is pretty cool, it's just sadenning that they made it so monsterously complex.
18:30:31 [AaronSw]
They got a lot right. Unfortunately they seem to have some sort of Java inferiority complex.
18:30:56 [sbp`]
they blew KISS out the window
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(usage note for wmf: java = bad)
18:31:08 [wmf]
Java is not bad!
18:31:22 [sbp`]
I agree with wmf. Java is not bad, it's evil
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(at least I can compile my Java code to native code...)
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18:31:58 [AaronSw]
hey, there's a python compiler around here somewhere
18:32:17 [deltab]
seen pyrex?
18:32:29 [sbp`]
(at least Python has a decent standard library, dynamic typing, and doesn't make you write 50 lines of code to do nothing)
18:32:36 [AaronSw]
yeah, pyrex is cool too
18:32:42 [sbp`]
where's xena these days?
18:32:53 [AaronSw]
ESP lost their server again
18:33:00 [sbp`]
tsk
18:33:03 [wmf]
lost?
18:33:10 [AaronSw]
"accounting mishap"
18:33:13 [deltab]
I know it was around here somewhere...
18:33:15 [wmf]
heh
18:33:20 [wmf]
the revolution is broke
18:33:53 [deltab]
alas yes
18:33:56 [quasi]
but python still makes indenting part of the syntax, which in effet makes it just another toy language for drooling idiots ;)
18:34:03 [AaronSw]
ugh, the WingIDE.app requires Gnome on XWindows. wacky
18:34:19 [AaronSw]
the revolution will not be monified
18:34:24 [Seth]
* Seth waves to room
18:34:25 [deltab]
the revolution will not be subsidised
18:34:30 [AaronSw]
esp should get some communityColo
18:35:25 [sbp`]
"around here somewhere": reminds me of http://geekissues.org/quotes/?5273
18:35:42 [AaronSw]
heh
18:35:59 [AaronSw]
that reminds me of the guy who hooked ping up to beep and went around unplugging ethernet cables until the beeping stopped
18:36:14 [AaronSw]
how's orberosx spelled?
18:37:19 [wmf]
I'm getting no signal from www.aaronsw.com
18:37:33 [AaronSw]
really?
18:37:36 [AaronSw]
i can see it fine
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now it's back
18:38:13 [thelsdj]
you just had to throw a few bits at it to unclog the wires
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apparently
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18:39:12 [wmf]
I guess that XML song was before Lisa decided to completely attack us for not getting XML
18:39:54 [AaronSw]
Lisa attacked userland for not getting xml? heh heh heh
18:40:14 [wmf]
serious flamage
18:40:21 [AaronSw]
woo, i have made wmf's bookmark list! my life is complete.
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* wmf toys with AaronSw by removing him
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18:43:42 [AaronSw]
aaaaargh! snak cr4ashed again
18:44:26 [deltab]
AaronSw: communitycolo would be a possibility if we weren't trying to make money
18:44:59 [deltab]
and we'd like to pay back our debts
18:45:02 [sbp]
whoo, my mail server is borked
18:45:15 [AaronSw]
Yeah, but maybe just for xena and espians and such
18:45:32 [wmf]
<AaronSw> I want a free server!
18:45:54 [AaronSw]
i wonder if they have policies against war3z
18:46:09 [deltab]
yeah, I think so
18:47:21 [wmf]
AGL has some interesting bloggage
18:48:10 [thelsdj]
thats the one thing i miss about windoze, finding warez was always fun, but now that i run linux theres no use for warez :(
18:48:27 [deltab]
AaronSw: yep, they do
18:48:32 [wmf]
hey, I have Red Hat Advanced Server
18:48:34 [AaronSw]
like these backlinks?
18:48:34 [AaronSw]
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22living+out+of+your+car%22&hl=en&lr=&start=10&sa=N
18:48:34 [AaronSw]
*http://wmf.editthispage.com/bookmarks
18:48:34 [AaronSw]
*http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=bronco+transmission+whine&b=21&hc=0&hs=0&xargs=0
18:49:03 [wmf]
I was more interested in his comments
18:50:29 [AaronSw]
ah... with html m172n adding new attributes is fine
18:50:42 [wmf]
heh
18:52:07 [AaronSw]
There was one cool Coryish thing in ANKS. he pointed out that a common evolutionary process was for: a) some new mutation to be discovered, b) everyone gong wild using the mutation in tons of ways and c) things settling back down to normal
18:52:16 [AaronSw]
which he thought was just like the tech industry
18:53:01 [deltab]
m172n? yikes
18:54:39 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj is reading, Linked: The New Science of Networks
18:54:45 [thelsdj]
its pretty darn interesting
18:55:52 [sbp]
m172n is modular-exlornaturo-tengrefuliz-expoungulo-moracational-ipskipdipiliyflnging-prefectulaistical-demestrepelictrualimplorginatial-tubblenubbleflippitywubble-wurdlepoing-ization
18:56:30 [wmf]
lol
18:56:55 [AaronSw]
you have to read each of the exlornaturo, tengrefuliz, expoungulo, moracational, etc. specs to understand it (
18:57:11 [wmf]
silly me, I thought it was just modularization
18:57:43 [AaronSw]
you must be thinking of the DW version
18:57:49 [sbp]
HTML succumbed to the XML-Kitchen-Sink syndrome
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* wmf defines a <swhack!/> tag
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: * wmf defines a <swhack!/> tag
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it's not clear what the semantics should be
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Yeah. That's trickier.
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perhaps it surrounds time the author is in #swhack
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i.e.
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<swhack!>
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...
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..
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</swhack!>
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*** wmf parts
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maybe it should insert an animated compass :-)
19:25:46 [AaronSw]
wmf, you saw our Morbus interview, right? well afterward kearney stopped by and asked if he could get one too
19:25:50 [AaronSw]
want to be an interviewer?
19:26:20 [wmf]
nah, your interview skills are the greatest
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besides, I think Kearney may be seeding my referers with crap :-)
19:26:54 [AaronSw]
right, which is why you should interview him. ;-)
19:27:05 [AaronSw]
our new interviewing technique is unstoppable
19:27:20 [thelsdj]
kearney left a comment on my blog about my 26k+ rss feeds, hehe he pretty much just complained about all the features of RSS i wasn't using
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I wish Google was a n4p
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n4p?
19:30:00 [AaronSw]
not for profit
19:30:46 [AaronSw]
it's like one of those mythical i-will-die-now-but-my-spirit-will-reign-forever transformations
19:35:02 [AaronSw]
wow, this photo is incredibly stupid: http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/images/sofa-bill.jpg
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how come the bulbs dont break when he tosses them?
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Seth: he's not tossing them, he's shittin them out his arse
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argh
20:08:20 [AaronSw]
heheh
20:08:37 [AaronSw]
PG: "If you look at these languages in order, Java, Perl, Python, you notice an interesting pattern. [...] Each one is progressively more like Lisp."
20:08:37 [AaronSw]
dude: "Oh my. Even if Graham wants to sell Lisp, he should at least try to sell it more properly. I say that Java, Perl, Python are progressively more like... Basic."
20:08:43 [AaronSw]
ugh, die again, sbp?
20:09:07 [sbp]
yep
20:10:09 [Ash]
AaronSw: Where's that from, out of curiosity?
20:10:22 [Ash]
And have you read Erik Naggum's response to all the PG hand-waving?
20:10:24 [Ash]
hehe
20:10:28 [AaronSw]
de http://advogato.org/person/tk/diary.html?start=104
20:10:39 [AaronSw]
erik's response? no...
20:10:43 [AaronSw]
where is it?
20:10:55 [Ash]
Lemme find it.
20:11:24 [Ash]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=erik+naggum+paul+graham+scheme&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&selm=3232480542642559%40naggum.net&rnum=2
20:11:36 [thelsdj]
first presidential canidate with an rss feed: http://ipwebdev.com/radio/2002/06/16.php#a204 (atleast i asume its the first)
20:11:38 [Ash]
So not only is this childish stunt hurtful because is _approves_ of the
20:11:38 [Ash]
worst human flaw, the tendency for people to _want_ to turn off their
20:11:38 [Ash]
brains, and give into fear and emotion and become no smarter than sheep,
20:11:38 [Ash]
it is _directly_ damaging to Common Lisp. Of course, if you are the same
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kind of lamebrained herd animal that really care what others feel before
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you make up your mind about something, why are you using Common Lisp?
20:12:07 [AaronSw]
heheheh: "YOU DO _NOT_ SEND UNSOLICITED COPIES OF POSTED ARTICLES BY MAIL WITHOUT MARKING THEM AS SUCH, OK? HOW HARD CAN THIS BE TO UNDERSTAND?"
20:12:12 [Ash]
Yeah, I love that
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ehehehehe
20:12:31 [AaronSw]
ooh, it gets better
20:12:45 [Ash]
Erik and a couple others are the reason I read c.l.l religiously
20:12:53 [AaronSw]
'Had it been written on public bathroom stalls with creativ spelling like "JAVA STINX!" it would have been more less dishonorable.'
20:12:54 [Ash]
It's just good usenet, baby!
20:13:13 [AaronSw]
@ http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3232480542642559%40naggum.net
20:13:27 [chumpy]
D: 403 Forbidden from AaronSw
20:13:35 [Ash]
lol
20:13:37 [AaronSw]
D:|contra Graham
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titled item D
20:13:38 [Ash]
FORBIDDEN!
20:13:45 [Ash]
That whole thread is actually pretty good.
20:13:48 [sbp]
taste the forbidden post
20:15:28 [sbp]
wow, you know that your connection's bad when wget measures it in bytes per second
20:15:42 [AaronSw]
--
20:15:44 [AaronSw]
1 He has been so energetically hyped.
20:15:44 [AaronSw]
2 He is aiming low.
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3 He has ulterior motives.
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4 No one loves him.
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5 People are forced to listen to him.
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6 He has too many arguments.
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7 He is bureaucratic.
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8 He is pseudo-hip.
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9 He has a large organization.
20:15:53 [AaronSw]
A The wrong people like him.
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B His daddy is in a pinch.
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C The DoD likes him.
20:15:59 [AaronSw]
--
20:16:29 [AaronSw]
re: http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html
20:17:18 [AaronSw]
ooh, this is good http://www.paulgraham.com/bljava.html
20:18:19 [AaronSw]
D::[Paul on Java|http://www.paulgraham.com/javacover.html], [Erik on Paul on Java|http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3232434814758067%40naggum.net], [TimBL on Java|http://www.paulgraham.com/bljava.html]
20:18:20 [chumpy]
commented item D
20:19:07 [Ash]
hehe
20:20:20 [sbp]
I think that Naggum's just trying to prove 4 wrong
20:20:47 [AaronSw]
4?
20:20:57 [sbp]
that nobody is passionate about Java
20:21:30 [Ash]
There are lots of people that are passionate about java.
20:21:36 [Ash]
<jabbaluser> Ho ho ho ho...
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* AaronSw -> swimming
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20:29:40 [Ash]
Man, I really need to get my z key working if I'm going to be doing lisp development this regularly
20:29:40 [Ash]
heh
20:29:46 [Ash]
my z key is still sticky from the soda incident
20:32:33 [wmf]
man, communitycolo is a total comedy of errors
20:33:41 [Ash]
communitycolo?
20:33:42 [Ash]
What's that?
20:33:59 [wmf]
some guys providing free non-profit colo
20:34:04 [Ash]
HEH
20:34:13 [Ash]
yeah, that'll work really well.
20:34:32 [Ash]
Maybe if you colo'd everyone on a DSL line...
20:34:33 [Ash]
ehhe
20:34:45 [wmf]
actually, they have a rack somewhere
20:35:06 [Ash]
I think if people actually care about the opensource projects they're working on, they'd pony up the cash to host it somewhere, or find a friend to host for them.
20:35:16 [Ash]
It's not like friends with bandwidth are that difficult to find
20:35:29 [Ash]
And most projects don't need huge amounts of bandwidth anyway, if you use bittorrent ;-)
20:36:07 [wmf]
sometimes it's more about having r00t than bandwidth
20:37:05 [Ash]
Yeah, no kidding.
20:37:09 [Ash]
Whiny bitches.
20:37:51 [Ash]
d00d m`/ op3nS0uR(3 pR0j3C+ h@S r00+ 0|\| c0mMUN|+`/ c0|0!@!@!11
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oh wow, this is so Ash: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?1763
21:01:13 [sbp]
[[[
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<Jingoro`> ash has a personality disorder
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*** Jingoro` was kicked by Ash (Shut up SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP I DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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*** Ash sets mode: +b *!*yay@*.mw.mediaone.net
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]]]
21:01:30 [Ash]
Woah.
21:01:38 [Ash]
I wonder if that was me.
21:02:32 [Ash]
I wish I had logs of all my IRC conversations ever.
21:02:36 [Ash]
Right now I just have a couple months.
21:04:34 [sbp]
lol
21:05:03 [Ash]
(I log everything my irc client sees, so WATCH OUT!)
21:05:04 [Ash]
hehe
21:05:40 [Ash]
All these other Ash'es seem to have a pretty decent sense of humor though.
21:07:51 [Ash]
<^o-o^> the development version of Xemacs has a warning file in it
21:07:51 [Ash]
<^o-o^> "People with epilepsy, persons with a history of heart problems and users of Viagra should not use this version of Xemacs"
21:07:51 [Ash]
<drwiii> i bet bob dole is sitting home pissed because he can't use that version of Xemacs
21:08:56 [Ash]
Ash has changed the topic to: * wmf defines a <swhack!/> tag || <drwiii> i bet bob dole is sitting home pissed because he can't use that version of Xemacs
21:18:23 [oierw`]
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21:30:03 [thelsdj]
i have 143m of irc logs right now heh
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21:34:25 [thelsdj]
only Ash i have in my logs right now is you heh
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22:02:25 [shtirlitz]
hi
22:03:01 [shtirlitz]
what is swhack ?
22:03:25 [deltab]
No-one can be told what the Swhack is.
22:03:38 [shtirlitz]
may be link ?
22:03:50 [thelsdj]
You have to experience it for yourself.
22:04:22 [shtirlitz]
what are the goal of this project ?
22:04:27 [deltab]
http://infomesh.net/2002/swhackfaq/
22:08:08 [shtirlitz]
swack-fak?
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22:10:26 [sbp]
lol!
22:10:55 [sbp]
its name must never be spoken
22:11:12 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if Aaron supported the neo85 quote to the quotes DB
22:11:37 [sbp]
I think I have a better summary
22:16:56 [wmf]
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22:17:04 [wmf]
<swhack!>
22:18:41 [thelsdj]
</swack!> (had to do it to make sure we don't run into any well-formedness errors
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22:20:41 [sbp]
try spelling it correctly
22:22:08 [thelsdj]
that might help
22:22:19 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj smakcs his keyboard a fewa timesQ!@!#!@#@!#
22:26:16 [sbp]
sbp: [upon seeing "Your command has remained unconfirmed for more than 48h and is being cancelled."] WHAT?!
22:26:25 [sbp]
Mum: Sean, don't make silly noises
22:27:22 [sbp]
the OED sent the letter saying that they've cancelled the confirmation before they sent the confirmation
22:27:51 [sbp]
no, hang on, that's not right..
22:29:06 [sbp]
must... fight... pedanticism. 'must not correct line and ellipsis length'.replace(' ', '... ')
22:30:09 [sbp]
argh. it's the Styx song all over again. "the OED sent the letter saying that they've cancelled the command before they sent the request for confirmation". s/right../right.../
23:17:18 [sbp]
lol!
23:17:18 [sbp]
[[[
23:17:19 [sbp]
<Evil_Kneival> I see.
23:17:19 [sbp]
<super`radish> dude
23:17:19 [sbp]
<super`radish> stop with the punctuation
23:17:19 [sbp]
<Evil_Kneival> Why?
23:17:21 [sbp]
<super`radish> because its like putting a rainbow cowboy sticker on your car bumper
23:17:23 [sbp]
]]] - http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?1542
23:17:49 [wmf]
sbp: are you just reading through all of those?
23:20:08 [sbp]
yes. backwards
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